1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Life Audio. Hello and good morning, friends and faith listeners. 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning into the Bible Explained Podcasts on 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: this chilly morning. And Hi, my name is Jen. I 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: am the host of this podcast, and I am so 5 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,119 Speaker 1: excited that you're here to share a delicious cup of 6 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: hot coffee with me as we discuss first Timothy five 7 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: and finish out this chapter. So right now, we're going 8 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: through a winter storm, which is not uncommon for where 9 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: I live. In fact, we've had quite a few winter 10 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: storms this year, I'd say more than normal. Actually we 11 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: haven't gotten a lot of snow, but it's just been 12 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 1: almost like a constant dropping of snow, if that makes sense. 13 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: But today we have a lot of wind mixed with snow, 14 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: so it's actually a blizzard. So I've got myself wrapped 15 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: in my heated blanket that I got for Christmas, And 16 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: this was a gift from my brother in law and 17 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: I have been living in this thing ever since I 18 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: got it. And then my husband, to top it off, 19 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: he got me some electric hand warmers that like plug 20 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: into the wall and they are wonderful. So I am 21 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: nice and toasty and warm, because that's the one thing 22 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: about me. I am always cold. I'm always cold, and 23 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: so I feel like the theme of my gifts this 24 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: year was let's be warm. I got a lot of 25 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: gifts that will keep me warm this year, which I 26 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: am very very excited about. So tell me what you 27 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: got for Christmas. I'd love to hear about it. Tell 28 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: me what your favorite gift was. Okay, you can contact 29 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: me via the email address listed in the description of 30 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: this episode, But for right now, let's go ahead and 31 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: read First Timothy five seventeen through twenty five. We're gonna 32 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: be finishing out this chapter today. We've been in First 33 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: Timothy five for actually quite a while, several weeks now, 34 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: I feel like because there's just so much content in 35 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: this chapter. In the last two episodes, in One Timothy five, 36 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: we're talking about the rules for widows and whether or 37 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: not the church should actually financially compensate widows, what would 38 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: be the guidelines for that. So that's what we discussed 39 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: all of last week and the week before. But now 40 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: we're going to be finishing up by talking about pastors 41 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: and how we should be treating our pastors. Should we 42 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: listen to accusations against our pastors, how do we critique 43 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: our pastors when they're wrong. Paul is going to lay 44 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: all of this out in the passage we read today. 45 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: But before we get into this episode, please listen to 46 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: a quick word from one of our sponsors. All right, 47 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: So now that we've heard from our sponsor, let's go 48 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: ahead and read First Timothy five seventeen through twenty five. 49 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: I'll be reading this, as always, from the web version, 50 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 1: but feel free to grab the version of the Bible 51 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: that you prefer this morning, whatever that might be. And 52 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: also your cup of coffee or tea or hot coco 53 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: or whatever you're drinking to warm yourself up, because it's 54 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: needed on this cold winter day. Unless you live in 55 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: like Arizona or something. I don't know, maybe it's not 56 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: needed down there, but if you're up north like me, 57 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: you need a cup of coffee today for sure. All right, 58 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: let's grab those things and give reverence to the reading 59 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: of God's word. Let the elders who rule well be 60 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: counted worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in 61 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: the word and in teaching. For the scriptures say you 62 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: shall not muzzle the ox when it treads out the grain, 63 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: and the laborer is worthy of his wages. Don't receive 64 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: an accusation against an elder, accept at the word of 65 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: two or three witnesses. Those who sin reprove in the 66 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: sight of all that the rest may also be in fear. 67 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: I command you, in the sight of God and the 68 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: Lord Jesus Christ and the Chosen Angels, that you observe 69 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: these things without prejudice, doing nothing by partiality. Lay hands 70 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: hastily on no one. Don't be a participant in other 71 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: people's sins. Keep yourself pure, Be no longer a drinker 72 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: of water only, but use a little wine for your 73 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: stomach's sake and for your frequent infirmities. Some men's sins 74 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: are evident, preceding them to judgment, and some also follow 75 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: later in the same way. Also, there are good works 76 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: that are obvious, and those that are otherwise can't be hidden. 77 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: So I've been going to church for quite some time, 78 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: you know, I'm thirty two years old, and I've visited 79 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: a lot of different churches in my life, and grew 80 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: up in the church, and now I'm married to an elder. 81 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: And there's generally two extremes that I've consistently seen throughout 82 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: my life. When it comes to people's idea of the pastor. 83 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: Either people think the pastor can do no wrong. He 84 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: is completely perfect. Everything he says is straight from God's lips. 85 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: He can't possibly make any mistakes or sin. That's the 86 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: first extreme. And then the other extreme that I see 87 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: are people who are like the pastor, can't do anything right. 88 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: He doesn't say anything inspired, he sins all the time, 89 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: no matter what he's doing, and we hate him and 90 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: we're going to leave the church. Those are the two 91 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: extremes that I've always seen. But in our passage for today, 92 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: Paul's talking about a much more moderate approach when viewing 93 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: the pastor and how we should treat him. It says 94 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: in verse seventeen, let the elders who rule well be 95 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: counted worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in 96 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: the word and in teaching. So that word elders, as 97 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: we've previously established in the last chapter, this would be 98 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: any man that has a pastoral position in the church. 99 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: That is who Paul is talking about. In Paul's day, 100 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: there was not one pastor that ruled everything like we 101 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: see in most American churches nowadays. Instead, there were multiple 102 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: people who had a pastoral lead. It was a group 103 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 1: of men that actually led the church instead of one 104 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: single individual, because it's a much healthier way to do church. 105 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: You know, giving all the power to one man is 106 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: not good for anybody. It's not good for the church. 107 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: It's not even good for the pastor because the pastor 108 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: has a million responsibilities that he has to do all 109 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: on his own. Giving that much power to one man 110 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: isn't healthy either, because, as we know, power corrupts. So 111 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: an elderboard is a very good thing to have in 112 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: your church, and that is what Paul is talking about. 113 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: He says, the elders who rule well should be counted 114 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in the 115 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: word and in teaching. So notice here Paul is not 116 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: giving double honor to every single elder across the board. 117 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: He's saying the elders who rule well should be counted 118 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: worthy of double honor, and especially the elders who labor 119 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: in the word and in teaching. So that would be 120 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: talking about the preaching elders, the elders who comb through 121 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: the scriptures, who learn everything they can about the Bible 122 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: to present it to the congregation and teach them more 123 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: about those scriptures. That is who Paul is talking about 124 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: those men should be worthy of double honor only if 125 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: they are also ruling well. So if they are not 126 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: doing what they should be doing as elders. You know, 127 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: we just talked about the qualifications for elders in the 128 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: previous chapter. If one of those elders is not doing 129 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: those qualifications, say he is greedy with money or he 130 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: is hurting somebody in the church, that elder is not 131 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: worthy of double honor. It's only the elders that are 132 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: doing things the right way, that are hitting all of 133 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: those qualifications and are teaching well. Those men are worthy 134 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: of double honor. And when we see the word honor here, 135 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: the Greek word is actually team ay. It looks like 136 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: the word time in English, but it means honor, value, money, reward, price, price, 137 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: set some It's not just talking about like giving somebody honor. 138 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: This is talking about rewarding these elders financially. And Paul 139 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: actually makes that very clear in the next verse, verse eighteen. 140 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: For the scriptures say you shall not muzzle the ox 141 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: when it treads out the grain, and the laborer is 142 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: worthy of his wages. So both of those things that 143 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: Paul just quoted were versus the first verse you shall 144 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: not muzzle the ox while it treads out the grain 145 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: is found in the Book of Deuteronomy, and the second verse, 146 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: the laborer is worthy of his wages is actually from 147 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: Jesus's own lips. Those who work for the gospel should 148 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: be paid. Even Jesus said that. The actual verse, if 149 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: you're curious, is Luke ten to seven, where Jesus says this. 150 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: He says, remain in the same house, eating and drinking 151 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: things as they give, for the laborer is worthy of 152 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: his wages. Do not go from house to house. And 153 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: that was when Jesus sent his disciples out. He told them, 154 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: go to these cities, teach the gospel, heal the sick, 155 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: cast out demons, and remain in one house the entire time, 156 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: and let them feed you. Take what they offer. You, 157 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: take the room and board and the food, because the 158 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: laborer is worthy of his wages. So even Jesus taught 159 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: that people who work for the gospel message should be 160 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: paid by the people receiving ying that message. It is work, 161 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: and it is hard work that people deserve compensation for. 162 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: First Corinthians nine goes a lot more in depth with this. Actually, 163 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: Paul talks in detail about how pastors and apostles and 164 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: teachers of the Word should be paid. So let's get 165 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: into this one. Corinthians nine one through fourteen from the 166 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: NIV version. Actually, Paul says, am I not free? Am 167 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus Our Lord? 168 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 1: Are you not the result of my work in the Lord? 169 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 1: Even though I may not be an apostle to others, 170 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: surely I am to you, for you are the seal 171 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: of my apostleship in the Lord. This is my defense 172 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: to those who sit in judgment on me. Don't we 173 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: have the right to food and drink? Don't we have 174 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,719 Speaker 1: the right to take a believing wife along with us, 175 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: as do the other apostles and the Lord's brothers and cephists. 176 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 1: Or is it only I and Barnabas who lack the 177 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: right to not work for a living, who serves as 178 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: a soldier at his own expense, who plants a vineyard 179 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: and does not eat its grapesho, who tends of flock 180 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: and does not drink the milk? Do I say this 181 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: merely on human authority? Doesn't the law say the same thing, 182 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: for it is written in the law of Moses. Do 183 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain? 184 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: Is it about oxen? God is concerned? Surely he says 185 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 1: this for us, doesn't he? Yes, this was written for us, 186 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: because whoever plows and threshes should be able to do 187 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 1: so in the hope of sharing in the harvest. If 188 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: we have sown spiritual seed among you? Is it too 189 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: much if we reap a material harvest from you? If 190 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: others have this right of support from you, shouldn't we 191 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: have it all the more? But we did not use 192 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: this rite. On the contrary, we put up with anything 193 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: rather than hinder the Gospel of Christ. Don't you know 194 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: that those who serve in the temple get their food 195 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: from the temple, and that those who serve at the 196 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: altar share in what is offered at the altar. In 197 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who 198 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: preach the gospel should receive their living from the Gospel. 199 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: And man that verse right there, verse fourteen, it says, 200 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel 201 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: should receive their living from the Gospel. So yes, your 202 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: pastor should be paid. He should be paid. And it 203 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: is a shame that the majority of churches in America 204 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: don't pay their pastors, or pay their pastors hardly anything 205 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: at all. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying 206 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 1: that this is fully the fault of the congregation of 207 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: the church. There are some pastors that probably don't deserve 208 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: to be paid. As Paul said himself, you know, in 209 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: one Timothy five he said, only the elders that are 210 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: serving well deserve this type of honor. So if there 211 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: are pastors out there that are not serving the congregation well, 212 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: they should not be getting paid. Because if you're just 213 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 1: damaging the church, if you're just damaging the reputation of God, 214 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: why would we honor you with anything at all. You 215 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: deserve nothing. You deserve absolutely nothing. But the pastors that 216 00:11:55,880 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: are serving the congregation well should absolutely have this double honor. 217 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: And that's probably less pastors out there than we think, 218 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: which is why Paul talks about, you know, elders before 219 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: they even become elders, they need to be tested, they 220 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: need to show that they're going to be a good 221 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: pastor in the future. So in America, there is a 222 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: problem with too many people that should not be pastors 223 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: becoming pastors. Absolutely we have that problem. But if you 224 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: do find a good pastor in a church where the 225 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 1: Bible is taught, then yes, I do believe that pastor 226 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: should be paid. And that's actually commanded by God in 227 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: one Corinthians nine. So it is not wrong or unbiblical 228 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: at all for a church to pay their pastor. It's 229 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: actually unbiblical to say that the pastor doesn't deserve to 230 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: be paid if he is a good pastor. That's a 231 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: shame and it should not happen. But going back to 232 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: one Timothy five, let's talk more about how we should 233 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: be treating our pastors. In the church, verse nineteen, it says, 234 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: don't receive an accusation again instant elder, accept at the 235 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: word of two or three witnesses. All right, So, going 236 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: back to those two extremes that I talked about at 237 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: the beginning of this episode, the pastor can do nothing wrong, 238 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: and the second extreme is that the pastor can do 239 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: nothing right. Here's what Paul says, don't receive an accusation 240 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: against an elder, accept at the word of two or 241 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: three witnesses. There are a lot of people that love 242 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: to hear negative things about pastors. They just want to 243 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: hear all the dirty details about these terrible pastors that 244 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: do all sorts of horrible things. They want to hear 245 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:38,239 Speaker 1: that because Satan really wants to target and attack pastors. 246 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: He loves to do it because good pastors are effective. 247 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: So Satan really likes to stir up conflict specifically with pastors, 248 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: and Paul is encouraging the church. Hey, don't listen to 249 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 1: gossip about your pastor unless it has genuine evidence behind it. 250 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: Like if two or three witnesses come forth and say 251 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: we saw the pastor do this type of sin, then 252 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: those witnesses should be given first priority above the pastor. 253 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: So don't listen to any kind of gossip unless there's 254 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: actual evidence brought forth. And when that evidence is brought forth, 255 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: that is when you can listen to an accusation against 256 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: your pastor. And man, isn't that backward In a lot 257 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: of churches nowadays, you know, going to the other extreme 258 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: where the pastor can do no wrong. We see this 259 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: happen so many times where witnesses come forward and they're like, 260 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: you know, I was abused by the pastor when I 261 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: was twelve, and the church either doesn't listen to these 262 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: accusations or tries to silence these people bringing forth these 263 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: accusations because the pastor, he can't do anything wrong. He 264 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: is a perfect angel, sent straight down from the hands 265 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: of God. That's why what Paul's talking about here is 266 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: the perfect balance between these two extremes. Don't listen to 267 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: too much gossip about your pastor, but if real evidence 268 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: is brought forth, listen to that. That is very important. 269 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: And if that evidence is found to be true, here's 270 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: what Paul says to do in verse twenty. Those who 271 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: sin reprove in the sight of all that the rest 272 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: also may be in fear. So the evidence that is 273 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: true against these pastors, those pastors, those elders are supposed 274 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: to be publicly reproved in front of the entire congregation. 275 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: And here's why, so that the rest may be in fear. 276 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: The rest is talking about the rest of the elders. 277 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: Nobody wants to be publicly shamed, humiliated, reproved in front 278 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: of everybody because that hurts your pride. And also you're 279 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: digging up stuff that you wanted to keep secret. Nobody 280 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: wants this to happen to them. So if this does happen, 281 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: the other elders will make sure that they watch their steps. 282 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: But it will also be good for the church as well, 283 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: because people who stood up for that pastor in spite 284 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: of this evidence will be shamed as well well. So 285 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: the entire congregation will be in fear, is what it says, 286 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: when you actually reprove these sins in the sight of all. 287 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: But then in verse twenty one, Paul brings it back 288 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: again to the middle. He says straight to Timothy, I 289 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: command you, in the sight of God and the Lord 290 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ and the chosen angels, that you observe these 291 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: things without prejudice, doing nothing by partiality. So he says, Timothy, 292 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: I command you insight of the Father, and in sight 293 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: of Jesus, and in sight of the angels that are 294 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: at your church, Because angels do come to our church services. 295 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: We talked about that in First Corinthians. What was it eight, 296 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: something like that angels do in fact attend and observe 297 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: church services. He says, Timothy, I command you, in front 298 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: of God and the angels, that you observe these things 299 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: without prejudice, and do nothing by partiality. So there you go. 300 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: Timothy needed to be a neutral person in all of this, 301 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: say he liked this elder, that these accusations are brought 302 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: forth against he should not try to get that elder 303 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: out of these problems just because of his friendship with 304 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: that elder. But on the flip side, let's say Timothy 305 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: didn't like an elder and baseless accusations are brought against 306 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: this elder, maybe Timothy, without looking into them, is like, 307 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: you know what, I don't like this guy anyway. I'm 308 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: just going to listen to this gossip brought forward, even 309 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: if it isn't you know, real, I'm just going to 310 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: take it at face value because I don't like this 311 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: guy anyway, and he probably deserves it. So not saying 312 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: Timothy would do that, I don't think he would. But 313 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: the point is is that you know, Timothy was teaching 314 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: the rest of the church in Macedonia how they should 315 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: be functioning. And so when Paul writes these words, this 316 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,959 Speaker 1: isn't just for Timothy. This is for Timothy to teach 317 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: to the church, to tell them to remain impartial. Don't 318 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: show partiality to anybody, whether you like the person or 319 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: dislike the person. Don't show partiality. That is not right 320 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: in the eyes of God. And then he says in 321 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: verse twenty two, lay hands hastily on no one. Don't 322 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: be a participant in other people's sins. Keep yourself pure. 323 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: And this actually ties in perfectly with the partiality thing, 324 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: because laying hands hastily on somebody that means to make 325 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: them an elder or a leader in the church without 326 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: properly vetting them first. And man, a lot of churches 327 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: that's what they do. You know, they're looking for people 328 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 1: to help. They get really excited because somebody comes into 329 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: the church that's brand new and they seem like a 330 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: good person that just you know, is gung ho about God. 331 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 1: And they immediately give this new bie a whole bunch 332 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: of responsibility, and a year or two down the line, 333 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: this person destroys everything because they weren't properly vetted. That 334 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: is how church hurt happens is by putting leaders in 335 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 1: place that should not be leaders in the first place. 336 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 1: Churches need to vet more than they do. And that's 337 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: what Paul's telling Timothy right here. You can avoid most 338 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: of this if you just properly vet your people, Like 339 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: if you get elders in that truly understand God's word, 340 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: that are truly qualified to be elders, most of these 341 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: problems will just go away on their own. But Paul continues. 342 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: He says, don't be a participant in other people's sins. 343 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: So how do you be a participant in somebody's sins. 344 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: This doesn't necessarily mean that you go off and do 345 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: a sin with this person. This could be turning a 346 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: blind eye to a sin that somebody is doing. That's 347 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 1: a way to participate in a sin, especially if you 348 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: are a leader in the church. Say a pastor in 349 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: the church knows that one of the elders is sinning 350 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: and just tries to sweep it under the rug. That's 351 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: a way to participate in somebody's sin. You are participating 352 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: in the damage and hurt that that elder is doing 353 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: to the church. So when you see a true sin 354 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: that somebody is committing, especially if it's an elder, the 355 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: church should not be part anticipating in that sin by 356 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: ignoring it, sweeping it under the rug, or trying to 357 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: blame the victim. That is so wrong to do. Paul says, 358 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: you need to keep yourself pure by not doing those things. 359 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 1: So even if you're not participating in the same sin 360 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: that this elder, in my example, is doing, you're still 361 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: not keeping yourself pure, You're still participating in the sin 362 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: that that person is doing, and that is wrong. So 363 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: now Paul moves away from the talk on elders and 364 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: talks directly to Timothy himself. He says, Timothy, be no 365 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: longer a drinker of water only, but use a little 366 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: wine for your stomach's sake and your frequent infirmities. So 367 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: apparently Timothy was somebody who is sick all the time. 368 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 1: And man, I feel it. I feel it, Timothy. I 369 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 1: feel like I'm sick all the time. You guys know 370 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: that last year I was sick like every other month. 371 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: And actually I'm just getting over a cold now, so 372 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: I guess that trend is continuing. I'm just going to 373 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 1: get sick every two months. But Timothy, he was sick often, 374 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: and it kind of sounds like he was sick with 375 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: stomach issues. And it could be because water in Paul's 376 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: day was not very pure. You know, there's a lot 377 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: of junk in the water, and wine would have been 378 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: a little bit more safe. So a lot of people 379 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: guess actually that Timothy, for whatever reason, was abstaining from wine, 380 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 1: possibly to set an example for other people. Drinking wine 381 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: is not a sin. It is not a sin unless 382 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 1: you go and get drunk. We know that in scripture 383 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: it says do not drink in excess, do not drink 384 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 1: to get drunk, do not be drunk with wine at all. Actually, 385 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: but drinking wine is not a sin, as we know, 386 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: because Jesus himself drank wine, which is why Paul tells Timothy, 387 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: you don't have to abstain from wine, Timothy, because you 388 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: are constantly getting sick and the water could be contributing 389 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: to that. So drinks some wine for the sake of 390 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: your stomach, because it's just safer. It's just safer to do. 391 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: And nowadays, you know, our water here in the West 392 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: is pretty clean. You can pretty much go any place 393 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: and drink water straight out of the faucet without much concern. 394 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: So the lesson for us nowadays is we should be 395 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: taking care of ourselves. We should be taking care of 396 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: our bodies because being healthy is obviously very helpful for 397 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: us if we're going to spread the gospel message. This 398 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: is a labor. As Paul said, we should be trying 399 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: to have healthy bodies and not feel sick all the time, 400 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: but take care of ourselves. Then, in verses twenty four 401 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 1: and twenty five. To conclude, Paul says, some men's sins 402 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: are evident, preceding them to judgment, and some also follow 403 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: later in the same way. Also, there are good works 404 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: that are obvious and those that are otherwise can't be hidden. 405 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: A lot of people when they sin, those sins are 406 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 1: very evident, like you can see them straight away. Other 407 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: people you can't see the sins so clearly, be because 408 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: they hide them very well, and eventually those sins are 409 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: going to come out in the open. But the same 410 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: thing goes for good works. There are some people who 411 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: you can see all the good works that they are doing. 412 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: But when it comes to good works that you don't 413 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: see people doing, Paul says, those are actually going to 414 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 1: be revealed. They can't be hidden. They will always come 415 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: out in the open. And that is why we shouldn't 416 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: be doing good works for the praise of people, because 417 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: eventually God is going to praise us. He is going 418 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: to bring those good works out in the open for 419 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: people to see. Even if we're doing it where only 420 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: God can see it, we are secretly working for God. 421 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: Eventually everything is going to be shown, is what Paul 422 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: is getting at. So don't worry if you're not getting 423 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: praise for all the things that you're doing. God sees it, 424 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: and the praise that we're going to receive from God 425 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: is so much better than any human praise we could 426 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: ever get. Faithful listeners. As always, before we end the 427 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: episode for today, please take a listen to a word 428 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: from one or two sponsors. All right, everyone, Well, I 429 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed First Timothy five. I quite enjoyed this chapter. 430 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: I thought it was fun to talk about. I like 431 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: delving into the logistics of how churches should be run, 432 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: and this is essentially all this chapter was talking about, 433 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: is how to effectively run a church. I love it, 434 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: so I hope that you guys enjoyed it as well. 435 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: We'll be finishing up First Timothy very soon, probably not 436 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: on Thursday, but likely next week. And yes, there will 437 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: be an episode Thursday, even though it's New Year's Day. 438 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 1: I took a lot of time off this month only 439 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: because of my vacation that I took with my husband 440 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: and then Christmas. So yes, we will be starting on 441 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: Timothy six on Thursday, so I hope to see all 442 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: of you guys then six am or whenever you choose 443 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 1: to wake up and listen, and then also tomorrow don't 444 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: forget there's going to be an episode from Second Chronicles, 445 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: but we'll get into that tomorrow morning. Until then, happy 446 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: listening and God bless. 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