WEBVTT - The Big Weekend Pod

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<v Speaker 2>Morning Glory and even Grace America. And a happy New

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<v Speaker 2>Year to you.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the first Big Weekend Pod of twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm back behind the microphone after moving west for a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of months and getting the flu and doing so

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<v Speaker 1>so that's why I was off the air thanks to

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<v Speaker 1>Kurt Schlickter, who filled in for me. The Big Weekend

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<v Speaker 1>Pod today is pretty much a couple of monologues by me,

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Continetti, Eli Lake and that's it now the monologue

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<v Speaker 1>You are interesting because CBS Evening News has made a

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<v Speaker 1>promise that I talked about in the opening monologue. Second

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<v Speaker 1>monologue beginning of the month, beginning of a new year,

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<v Speaker 1>station switch around stations are added. I got to do

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<v Speaker 1>the who I am and why am I doing this

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<v Speaker 1>first broadcast of the month business, And so if you're

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<v Speaker 1>new to this, you'll hear that, and if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>like it, just fast forward through it to get the

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<v Speaker 1>continenty and Eli Lake and all I can tell you

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<v Speaker 1>is it was a a great time being having the flu.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no better place to have the flu than in

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<v Speaker 1>California because you realize that it doesn't matter where you are,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter that it's raining. And it just rained

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<v Speaker 1>for a week, so I didn't miss anything because California

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<v Speaker 1>was miserable, and I got up the implacable hill this morning,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's good too. I want you to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that you like and subscribe to this podcast so that

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<v Speaker 1>you can get it sent to you Monday through Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>But the Big Weekend Pod purposely intended for you people

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<v Speaker 1>who are doing your gym routine or your exercise on

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<v Speaker 1>the weekend. If you're new to this, usually cover the

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<v Speaker 1>weekend review news. But it's the first weege of theyar

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<v Speaker 1>there isn't much news except in Iran, so expect the

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<v Speaker 1>heavy focus on Iran, maybe a little bit of catch

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<v Speaker 1>up on the Somali land recognition, talk, a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about the Minnesota fraud's story, but there really hadn't been

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<v Speaker 1>any news for three weeks, except the biggest story of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty six might be unfolding as we speak in Iran,

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<v Speaker 1>where up to seven people have been murdered by the

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<v Speaker 1>regime as protests spread throughout the country.

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<v Speaker 2>This is their fourth revolution.

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<v Speaker 1>Their first one was in nineteen seventy nine of the

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<v Speaker 1>Islamic Revolution toppled the Shop. I watched it on a

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<v Speaker 1>couch basically with former President Richard Nixon and Ray Price.

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<v Speaker 1>The three of us every day would be in the

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<v Speaker 1>former President's office in San Clementy watching then network television

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<v Speaker 1>of the massive demonstration that forced the shot of Flea.

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<v Speaker 1>In early nineteen seventy nine saw the return to Iran

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<v Speaker 1>of the Iatola Homini, who was the first Ayatola. They've

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<v Speaker 1>had for forty seven years, right, they started in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy nine, so it's been forty seven years.

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<v Speaker 2>They have had two guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Running the country, the Itola Homine followed by the Atola.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're both theocratic, fanatical Shia.

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<v Speaker 2>Dictators.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's a brutal, repressive regime, the leading exporter of

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<v Speaker 1>terror in the world. There are some good resources on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Our friends over at the Foundation for the Defensive Democracy

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<v Speaker 1>did a long podcast series last year on Iran by

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Dubitz. Dubovitz and I would recommend that to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Look up Foundation for the Defensive Democracies and Iran and

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Dubovitz, and you can find I think it's a

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<v Speaker 1>twelve parter. It takes it through the near a half

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<v Speaker 1>century of the Islamic Revolution and the tyranny and the

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<v Speaker 1>oppression and the murder and the export of terrorism associated

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<v Speaker 1>with it, and then the great book Vanguard of the

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<v Speaker 1>mm I put a couple of people over there. But

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<v Speaker 1>the most recent thing, have you read it? Gurn No

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<v Speaker 1>surprise there tracked down a leading Iranian dissident in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States and interviewed her for almost an hour on Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>and you should listen to that. The link is over

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<v Speaker 1>at my ex account. Hugh Hewett and Aviv just basically

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<v Speaker 1>let her fill us in. There's no intervention here that

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<v Speaker 1>the United States should be considering. I know the President

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<v Speaker 1>said he would protect the protesters. I'm not sure what

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<v Speaker 1>that means if they're mowed down in the streets and

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<v Speaker 1>Israel's standing back and saying this is an US, yea,

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<v Speaker 1>this is organic. It's the fourth one nineteen seventy nine,

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<v Speaker 1>followed by a late nineteen nineties attempt to throw off

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<v Speaker 1>the regime that was crushed brutally. Unfortunately Bill Clinton was

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<v Speaker 1>in power. We didn't do anything help them. Then the

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<v Speaker 1>Green movement, some people are onsly call it the Green Revolution.

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<v Speaker 1>One revolution was a movement. It was a very peaceful,

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<v Speaker 1>massive protest that was crushed and Barack Obama was the

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<v Speaker 1>new president, didn't know what he was doing, said nothing

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<v Speaker 1>about it, and instead ended up in the JCPOA which

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<v Speaker 1>was a nightmare. And then there was another attempt at

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<v Speaker 1>uprising with the murder of a young woman in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two. The infirm Joe Biden, his appeasement oriented foreign

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<v Speaker 1>policy team did nothing to help Iran in twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 2>The people of Iran.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is the first time that Iran has had

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<v Speaker 1>one of these convulsions. It's the fifth convulsion that there's

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<v Speaker 1>actually a group of serious people running American foreign policies.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking to the President, Secretary Rubio, un Ambassador Waltz

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<v Speaker 1>to do the one thing the United States can do,

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<v Speaker 1>which is focus attention on and condemn violence by the

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<v Speaker 1>regime against innocent protesters. The recipient cause of this is

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<v Speaker 1>that the real their currency is plummeted in value, and

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<v Speaker 1>I learned there are four different exchange rates, and the

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<v Speaker 1>exchange rate for the ordinary person is just it's like

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<v Speaker 1>a million and a half realls.

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<v Speaker 2>For a dollar an American dollar.

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<v Speaker 1>So people have been impoverished, their life savisty have been

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<v Speaker 1>wiped out, and that will radicalize you in a hurry.

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<v Speaker 1>Then on top of that, there's just dysfunction at every

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<v Speaker 1>level because the corruption is endemic and systemic throughout Iran

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<v Speaker 1>and the Iranian Revolutionary guardcore which props up the regime.

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<v Speaker 1>It's different from the Iranian military, but as Aviv said

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<v Speaker 1>on his podcast, highly unlikely to that the Iranian military

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be the step in and stop the

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<v Speaker 1>Iranian Revolutionary Guard, which there's sort of a shadow paramilitary

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<v Speaker 1>police that's the name of the besiege. They're killers and

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<v Speaker 1>they will kill. So it takes extraordinary courage on behalf

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<v Speaker 1>of the people of Iran to step up and step

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<v Speaker 1>into the streets right now.

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<v Speaker 2>But they are desperate.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing works, there are blackouts everywhere, the water supply is fragile, and.

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<v Speaker 2>People have just had it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's the fourth time in less than fifty years

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<v Speaker 1>that the country has convulsed. Maybe this time it'll be

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<v Speaker 1>like one of the color revolutions or like the dissolution

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<v Speaker 1>of the Soviet Union. At least the dissident that Aviv

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<v Speaker 1>talked to was optimistic, but she also was very adamant

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<v Speaker 1>Israeli United States people stay out of this. Let the

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<v Speaker 1>Iranian people decide. So I'm all for that. With that,

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<v Speaker 1>let's turn our attention to CBS News and the promise

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<v Speaker 1>that was made by Tony Ducoppole on Thursday, New Year's Day,

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<v Speaker 1>posted his promise about the new CBS Evening News which

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<v Speaker 1>begins on Monday night, and I played it for you

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<v Speaker 1>in the first segment of the New Year on The

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<v Speaker 1>Hugh Hewitt Show, and my commentary is attached.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't go anywhere, enjoy the big weekend pot.

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, glory and even grace in America. I'm Hugh Hewitt, Welcome,

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<v Speaker 1>Happy New Year. This is my first broadcast of twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty six. I want to thank Kurt Schlickter, who sat

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<v Speaker 1>in for me on December twenty sixth and every show thereafter.

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<v Speaker 1>As I moved out to the West Coast for a

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<v Speaker 1>few weeks and also got the flu, which is inevitable

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<v Speaker 1>if you fly cross country this time of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>But thank you, Kurt did a fabulous bang up job.

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<v Speaker 1>As usual, I have new stations and station changes all

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<v Speaker 1>across the Salem Radio Network. Salem News Channel is still

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<v Speaker 1>the same, and I will cover all that who I am,

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<v Speaker 1>what I do in hour two today, and I hope

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<v Speaker 1>you'll subscribe and like the podcast highly concentrated Hugh. If

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<v Speaker 1>you can't catch the program when it's live in your

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<v Speaker 1>car three to six in the East, noon to three

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<v Speaker 1>in the West, and different times in between, different stations

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<v Speaker 1>carried at different time, the podcasts always a good way

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<v Speaker 1>to start the morning and get all the news that

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<v Speaker 1>you need and the analysis that you want, and the

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<v Speaker 1>consistent delivery of clear, concise facts, my take the great

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<v Speaker 1>guests that we've been doing on this program since two thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been in the business since nineteen ninety, both radio

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<v Speaker 1>and television. And whether you're listening on the Sale Radio Network,

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<v Speaker 1>watching on the Sale News Channel, picking up a YouTube clip,

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<v Speaker 1>or listening to the podcast Welcome, you should also know

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<v Speaker 1>I'm about to talk about the news, and you've got

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<v Speaker 1>to adjustment that I am a Fox News contributor I

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<v Speaker 1>think Brett Barr is the best newsman in the business.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think anyone can ever measure up this Special Report.

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<v Speaker 1>But everything we do here we do with six people.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's me and Dwayne Adam, three of us have been

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<v Speaker 1>together for twenty five years, plus Harley, Danielle, Diana and Ben.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it. Six people.

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<v Speaker 1>We do this whole thing, and we are I think

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<v Speaker 1>the very best at news and analysis and great guests

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<v Speaker 1>and commentary of anyone in broadcast in any format. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think you find it right here. If you want

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<v Speaker 1>a nightly news program backed up by bureaus and analysts

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<v Speaker 1>and people reporting from around the world, that would be

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<v Speaker 1>Fox News Special Report with Brett phre But Yesterday, CBS

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<v Speaker 1>Evening News soon to be anchor Tony de Kopple laid

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<v Speaker 1>out a video that I want you to hear, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to talk with you about it. Barry Weiss,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, became the head of CBS News division late

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<v Speaker 1>last year when a sale of the network occurred and

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<v Speaker 1>she was hired by the new bosses. She founded the

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<v Speaker 1>Free Press, New York Times Editorial Board, Wall Street JOURNALI

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<v Speaker 1>Editorial Board. I've only talked to her once. I've never

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<v Speaker 1>met her. Barry Weiss, I think is a center left person,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of a classic liberal left person, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know we're well enough to say that with great conviction.

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<v Speaker 1>But she, of course, compared to most of the major

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<v Speaker 1>news outlets in the United States, considered a conservative, she's not.

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<v Speaker 1>She's not a conservative, but she's fair and she's trying

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<v Speaker 1>to rebuild the brand. And to that end, Tony Dekoople,

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<v Speaker 1>he promises, and I want to make sure that I

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<v Speaker 1>give you the money clip I report for you, he

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<v Speaker 1>tells the American public via the video available at CBS

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<v Speaker 1>Evening News on x which means, I tell you what

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<v Speaker 1>I know, when I know it, and how I know it,

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<v Speaker 1>and when I get it wrong, I'll tell you that too.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the heart of it, and I think that's good.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to stop watching Brett Baer and Special

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<v Speaker 1>Report because it's the best news program out there, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'll at least give Tony and the gang at CBS

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<v Speaker 1>Evening News a chance to show me that they've come

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<v Speaker 1>back in from It's not left field. To use a

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<v Speaker 1>baseball analogy for the bettersit of the Steelers fans, center

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<v Speaker 1>field is where Huntley and Brinkley and Walter Cronkite and

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<v Speaker 1>Frank Reynolds and Peter Jennings played forever. They were in

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<v Speaker 1>center field, and I play in right field, and most

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<v Speaker 1>of legacy media is in left field. But unfortunately the

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<v Speaker 1>television networks, including most of CNN, went into the left

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<v Speaker 1>field bleachers over the last thirty to forty years. And

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<v Speaker 1>I've stayed the same. I'm a center right guy. I've

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<v Speaker 1>stayed the same for the whole time. And as a result,

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<v Speaker 1>with a bunch of other factors, including the availability of

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<v Speaker 1>media streaming services, lots of choices, people on their devices

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<v Speaker 1>not glued to the television set for their streaming platform,

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<v Speaker 1>not watching the evening news, it used to be at

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<v Speaker 1>the height of CBS, Walter Cronkite had a seven share,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, So that was it was enormous for that

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<v Speaker 1>period of time, the late sixties, early seventies. Last month,

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<v Speaker 1>ABC World News Tonight six thirty pm with David Muir

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<v Speaker 1>averages about seven point one to nine million viewers, NBC

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<v Speaker 1>Nightly News averaged about five point six three million viewers,

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<v Speaker 1>CBS Evening News about three point five to five million viewers,

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<v Speaker 1>and our friend Brett and Special Report. They're always about

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<v Speaker 1>three million, and some days they beat all three of

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<v Speaker 1>the networks when there's big news, when people are going there,

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<v Speaker 1>when breaking news is happening, like arguably right now what

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<v Speaker 1>happened in those years. By contrast, by the way, got

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of metrics for you, So seven million over

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<v Speaker 1>at ABC, five point six at NBC, three point five

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<v Speaker 1>to five at CBS. They do have to shake things

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<v Speaker 1>up at CBS because they're dying what happened to Compare

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<v Speaker 1>NBC Sunday Night football in December Vikings Cowboys nineteen point

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<v Speaker 1>six one million viewers.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not just CBS, it's just the news division.

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<v Speaker 1>CBS had a late night National Football League game on

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday at twenty four and a half million viewers. Fox

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<v Speaker 1>News and sanh it's just not even in the game.

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<v Speaker 1>They're so broken. I didn't even bother with that. The weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>the weeknight edition of CBS, ABC and NBC airs at

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<v Speaker 1>six thirty pm. Bread starts at six pms ago a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of advantaging goes for an hour, and they

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<v Speaker 1>go for a half hour now cronkite CBS Evening News

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<v Speaker 1>at its peak had between twenty seven and twenty nine

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<v Speaker 1>million viewers every night. That was when the population of

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<v Speaker 1>the country was two hundred million. It's three hundred and forty.

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<v Speaker 2>Million now, and what needs to happen is quite obvious.

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<v Speaker 2>You just got to tell the truth. Let's try Tony again.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's his claim.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot has changed since the first person sat in

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<v Speaker 3>this chair. But for me, the biggest difference is people

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<v Speaker 3>do not trust us like they used to. And it's

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<v Speaker 3>not just us, it's all legacy media.

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<v Speaker 4>And I get it.

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<v Speaker 3>I get it because I've been hearing about it from

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<v Speaker 3>just about everybody for more than twenty years, as I've

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<v Speaker 3>traveled to America on this assignment, or that my mom's

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<v Speaker 3>neighbors in West Virginia, my own neighbors in New York City,

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<v Speaker 3>thousands and thousands of conversations in between. Sometimes people want

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<v Speaker 3>to talk to me about our coverage of NAFTA or

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<v Speaker 3>the Iraq War. Other times it's all about Hillary Clinton's

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<v Speaker 3>emails or Russia Gate, or more recently, COVID lockdowns, Hunter

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<v Speaker 3>Biden's laptop, or the President's.

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<v Speaker 4>Fitness for office.

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<v Speaker 3>The point is, on too many stories, the press has

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<v Speaker 3>missed the story because we've taken into account the perspective

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<v Speaker 3>of advocates and not the average American, or we put

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<v Speaker 3>too much weight in the analysis of academics or elites

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<v Speaker 3>and not enough on you. And I know this because

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<v Speaker 3>at certain points.

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<v Speaker 4>I have been you. I have felt this way too.

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<v Speaker 4>I felt like what I.

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<v Speaker 3>Was seeing and hearing on the news didn't reflect what

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<v Speaker 3>I was seeing and hearing in my own life, and

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<v Speaker 3>that the most urgent questions simply weren't being asked. So

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<v Speaker 3>here's my promise to you today and every time you

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<v Speaker 3>see me in this chair, you come first, not advertisers,

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<v Speaker 3>not politicians, not corporate interests, and yes that does include

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<v Speaker 3>the corporate owners of CBS. I report for you, which

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<v Speaker 3>means I tell you what I know, when I know it,

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<v Speaker 3>and how I know it, and when I get.

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<v Speaker 4>It wrong, I'll tell you that too.

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<v Speaker 3>It also means I'm going to talk to everybody and

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<v Speaker 3>hold everyone in public life to the very same standard.

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<v Speaker 4>After all, I became a journalist to talk to people.

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<v Speaker 3>I love talking to people about what works in this country,

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<v Speaker 3>what doesn't, and not only what should change, but the

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<v Speaker 3>good idea is that should never change.

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<v Speaker 4>I think telling the truth is one of them.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Tony Dakoppel, the anchor of the CBS Evening News.

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<v Speaker 1>That will start on Monday night. It's a good mission statement.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope he makes it. I want to correct him.

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<v Speaker 1>I was not late on COVID, I was not late

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<v Speaker 1>on the laptop. I was not late on Joe Biden's infirmity.

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<v Speaker 1>I was early, if not first, on all those stories.

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<v Speaker 1>But I want to tell you what the difference is

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<v Speaker 1>between that and now. Nineteen seventy seven, between my junior

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<v Speaker 1>and senior year in college, in the summer, five other

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<v Speaker 1>guys and I would watch sixty minutes every Sunday night.

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<v Speaker 1>Back then, it had an audience of about twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>million people. Now it's down to ten million people, and

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<v Speaker 1>not many young men are watching it.

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<v Speaker 2>Why.

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<v Speaker 1>It's more often than not, just bad television and it's

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<v Speaker 1>not reliable.

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<v Speaker 4>And I like Ed Whitaker.

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<v Speaker 1>I met him recently. I think he's pretty smart. But

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<v Speaker 1>all of news depends not just on anchors and faces,

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<v Speaker 1>but on the head of the news division, the producers

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<v Speaker 1>of the segments in the day parts, the journalists, the writers,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the editors and then the anchor. So a

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<v Speaker 1>lot's got to change at CBS News but I'm willing

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<v Speaker 1>to give them a chance. I'm willing to see if

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<v Speaker 1>they can in fact fix having gone into the left

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<v Speaker 1>field bleachers. I'm Hugh Hewett, and I'll continue to tell

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<v Speaker 1>you that station.

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<v Speaker 2>Morny Loren Evening Grace in America.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Hugh Hewett inside the Relief Factor studio out West,

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<v Speaker 1>where I am for a few weeks. If you marry

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<v Speaker 1>a Californian girl, and I did, I got lucky. I

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<v Speaker 1>met a beautiful Californian girl in nineteen seventy eight and

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<v Speaker 1>she said, yes, we got married in nineteen eighty two.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't spend the winter in the East. They're just

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<v Speaker 1>not cut out for it. And so most years I'm

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<v Speaker 1>teaching at chap In Law School, but I'm taking this

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<v Speaker 1>year off and it's an election year, and I usually

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<v Speaker 1>do because there are demands on my time and from

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<v Speaker 1>Fox News, etc.

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<v Speaker 2>Things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm out of here for a few weeks, and

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<v Speaker 1>thanks to my former producer Dwayne, I'm able to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to you today, Harley and Adam. Of course some of

0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:10.960
<v Speaker 1>you are hearing me for the very first time because

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<v Speaker 1>at the beginning of a year, or it might be Monday,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the first broadcast day of the month. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of stations change formats, change owners, pick up new shows,

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<v Speaker 1>drop old shows. Some of you find the podcast Highly

0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Concentrated Hugh, which is available wherever podcasts are, Salem Podcast Network, iTunes, Spotify,

0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:34.440
<v Speaker 1>wherever like and subscribe. Tens of thousands of you begin

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<v Speaker 1>your morning with the UWIT Show from the day before,

0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.880
<v Speaker 1>which is heard live three to six pm in the East,

0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:42.879
<v Speaker 1>and so it's got all to day's news to the

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<v Speaker 1>extent that there is news, and a lot of you

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<v Speaker 1>just begin your day with it the next morning. That's

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<v Speaker 1>why I would say morning, Glory, evening grace. But it

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<v Speaker 1>is my practice and has been since Dwayne Adam and

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<v Speaker 1>I got started in two thousand, to always give a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of the backdrop to who I am, so

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<v Speaker 1>you know whether or not you want to listen to

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<v Speaker 1>me or trust me. And it's all very simple. I

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<v Speaker 1>am a son and a grandson of Ohio. All four

0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:11.560
<v Speaker 1>of my grandparents born, raised, lived, died buried in Nashtabille, Ohio.

0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:15.040
<v Speaker 1>My mom and dad we got married after the war.

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<v Speaker 1>Dad was youngest of three boys. He got to the

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<v Speaker 1>war in time to occupy Japan. He said, The most

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous thing he did was transit ships to the Philippines

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<v Speaker 1>and then floating offside of Japan before Truman dropped the

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<v Speaker 1>atomic bombs when they were Japanese submarines left and kamakazis.

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<v Speaker 1>So he really was not in the war, but he

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<v Speaker 1>was part of it. Brother flew over the Hump, another

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<v Speaker 1>brother through in Europe in the b twenty nines. So

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest generation raised us and I grew up in Warren, Ohio,

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<v Speaker 1>steel Town, Cartown at that time seventy five thousand people.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm born in nineteen fifty six. I turned seventeen a

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<v Speaker 1>month and Cartown, steel Town very very prosperous in the

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<v Speaker 1>fifties and the sixties, not so much in the seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>and the plummeting began in the eighties and the nineties,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe it will rekindle now. The one thing Ohio

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<v Speaker 1>as is water, but it maybe. Who I am, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Roman Catholic. I'm actually an evangelical Roman Catholic Presbyterian because

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<v Speaker 1>my wonderful wife, the fetching missus Hewett's a Presbyterian. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a cradle Catholic, so I usually go to Mass on

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday and to the Presbyterian Church on Sunday, double dipper,

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<v Speaker 1>one river, two banks were good, and I spent twelve

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<v Speaker 1>years in Catholic education and then got into Harvard under

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<v Speaker 1>the Ohio lottery and good test scores back in the

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<v Speaker 1>days when they basically let in people who did well

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<v Speaker 1>in the national merit scholarship business. So I went there

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<v Speaker 1>studied government. Wish I was smart enough to be Estrousian.

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<v Speaker 1>Took all their the classes I could from Harvey Mansfield

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<v Speaker 1>and Nathan Tarkov and a bunch of other people.

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<v Speaker 2>But I wasn't smart enough to be a PhD.

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<v Speaker 1>So I applied to and did not get into law

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<v Speaker 1>school har or Michigan, where I wanted to go. So

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<v Speaker 1>I went instead via The most important words in the

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<v Speaker 1>English language is I know a guy? And have you

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<v Speaker 1>ever considered well Ed Mansfield Harvey's son saw me sitting

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<v Speaker 1>on the steps one day, said what are you doing

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<v Speaker 1>next year? When I was a senior in college, said

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea. I didn't get into Harvard or Michigan.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to go to the University of Chicago.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody wants to go to the University of Chicago. It's

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<v Speaker 1>where fun goes to die. And I didn't know that

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<v Speaker 1>the University of Virginia was as beautiful as it was,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I just I don't know. I didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>a job. Then he said, well, you ought to call

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<v Speaker 1>a guy. I know a guy that here's per Cup

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<v Speaker 1>and it was I got am Ray Price down in

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<v Speaker 1>DC and he had taught at Harvard a year before.

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<v Speaker 1>He was looking for a research assistant on a book

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<v Speaker 1>on the media. So I called him up. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>why don't you fly on down and we'll talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I got on an airplane. Was not much of

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<v Speaker 1>a flyer. I would drive from Ohio to Boston to Cambridge.

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<v Speaker 1>And I put on my only suitent and flew down

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<v Speaker 1>to DC and knocked on Rape House in Georgetown on

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<v Speaker 1>Prospect and he answered the door and said, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I help you?

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<v Speaker 1>He said, well, I'm Hugh you we have an interview

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<v Speaker 1>and he hit his head, you know, oh, dear, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's never a good sign. He had forgotten the interview,

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<v Speaker 1>and he explained he had to go out to San

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<v Speaker 1>Clementy to work with Richard Nixon on a book that

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<v Speaker 1>was passed deadline after the memoir.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called The Real War and then he probably said

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<v Speaker 2>have you.

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<v Speaker 1>Ever considered which are the second foremost important word, have

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<v Speaker 1>you ever considered moving to California. He wasn't offering me

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<v Speaker 1>a job, but David Eisenhower needed a research assistant, so

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I hadn't thought about it, but be glad

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<v Speaker 1>to next thing I know, Julie Nixon. Ieen hours on

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<v Speaker 1>the phone at my dorm and David gets on the phone.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree to go do the TikTok for Eisenhower at War.

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<v Speaker 1>The TikTok's day by day chronology of what Ike was

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<v Speaker 1>doing during World War Two. It's a great book on

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<v Speaker 1>every book a word out there War by David Eisenhower.

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<v Speaker 1>And after three months, which I guess was a sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a tryout, Urn offered me a job on his

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<v Speaker 1>writing staff, which consisted of our and Ray Price, a

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<v Speaker 1>fellow in DC whose name was Todd I can't remember

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<v Speaker 1>his last name. And then me and I became a ghostwriter,

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<v Speaker 1>editorial assistant, researcher to the former president in exile in

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<v Speaker 1>San Clementy. That was great fun until he moved to

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<v Speaker 1>New York in nineteen eighty and I lasted about six

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<v Speaker 1>months there. Said to the boss I'm going to go

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<v Speaker 1>to law school. I had reapplied and gotten into Michigan,

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<v Speaker 1>not Arbor. We got into Michigan in the second time.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, go with God. No one going to be

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<v Speaker 1>in the city unless you've got a lot of money

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<v Speaker 1>or none at all. And I left and went to

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<v Speaker 1>ann Arbor. Got married during the course of law school

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<v Speaker 1>to the vetching Missus Stuett, and then did a clerkship

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<v Speaker 1>on the d C Circuit. Unusual clerkship. Judge Roger rob

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<v Speaker 1>hired me. Then he got sick, so I worked for

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<v Speaker 1>Judge Bork, Judge Galia, Judge Ginsburg, Judge Kelly Wright, Judge

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<v Speaker 1>Spots Robinson, and then George McKinnon came back from Minnesota,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just went full time with George mckinn until

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<v Speaker 1>Roger rob came back. It was a fabulous year. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I was going to go to work at done

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<v Speaker 1>in Kutscher, but then I got a phone call, have

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<v Speaker 1>you ever considered coming to the Department of Justice. My

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<v Speaker 1>friend Terry Eastland was working over there for William French

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<v Speaker 1>Smith as a speech rights that I have ever considered.

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<v Speaker 1>We were in a Bible study together at National Presbyterian

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<v Speaker 1>Church and I said, sure, I'd love to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I went over to the Attorney General's office as

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<v Speaker 1>a special assistant for the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court warrants

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<v Speaker 1>and a few other things, And so I reviewed all

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<v Speaker 1>the FIZA applications for warrants from the bureau.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no National Security Division in nineteen eighty four.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I went to the White House Counsel's office with

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<v Speaker 1>ricarda who now runs a hot dog stand in a

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<v Speaker 1>driving range in Miami and actually makes his retirement by hustling.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a hustler on the golf course. Do not give

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<v Speaker 1>him strokes. Ricardo's Cuban hot dogs are fine, the driving

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<v Speaker 1>range is fine. Don't play golf with the man. And

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<v Speaker 1>Fred Vailing. Then I went into the agencies. Then finally,

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<v Speaker 1>after all that time, ended up running OM because if

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<v Speaker 1>you hang around an administration at the end, they would

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<v Speaker 1>promote people who anyone who's around. I got picked a

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<v Speaker 1>run OPM, got through the Senate, got confirmed. OPM's the

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<v Speaker 1>OPPS personal management. Then we finally went to California because

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<v Speaker 1>Richard Nixon called and the dime dropped. They'd been good

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<v Speaker 1>to me, will you build the library? I came out

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<v Speaker 1>to San Clementy again, and this time I didn't move

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<v Speaker 1>to San Clementy, but I moved closer to where the

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<v Speaker 1>library is in ne Orba. Linda and I started a

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<v Speaker 1>law practice, and I got the Nixon Library built and open.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I got a call from KFI Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Considered during weekend raise it? Does it pay anything? I'm poor?

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<v Speaker 1>I said, yeah, five hundred bucks a weekend. So I

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<v Speaker 1>did six hours of radio for KFI on the weekends

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<v Speaker 1>for a few years. Then I got a call, if

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<v Speaker 1>you are considered doing TV. This is nineteen ninety two

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<v Speaker 1>for casey Et and I did ten years anchoring the

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<v Speaker 1>nightly news with Pat Morrison, Rubin Martinez, Kirmin Maddox on

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<v Speaker 1>Life and Times. Then Salem called and this Motley crew

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<v Speaker 1>got together and we launched this show on July ten,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm still practicing law.

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<v Speaker 1>In between, I started teaching constitutional law at Chapman Law School.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm better than your average con law professor, not as

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<v Speaker 1>good as some, better than most. And I've been teaching

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<v Speaker 1>at Chapman con Law since nineteen ninety six. Began in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety five teaching torts. Those poor kids what I

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<v Speaker 1>know about torts I learned the night before that year,

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<v Speaker 1>but I know con law and practicing administrative law. And

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<v Speaker 1>then we started the show in two thousand. Then I

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<v Speaker 1>got asked to do the debates in twenty fifteen twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>which we partnered Salem with CNN. I was the Salem

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<v Speaker 1>guy and did four presidential debates, got offers from the networks.

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<v Speaker 1>Then went to work for NBC for four years and MSNBC.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've been before the mass I did in my years.

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<v Speaker 2>In big media. Then the Washington Post offered me a calm.

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote that.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I left NBC Michel agreement. We just did not

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<v Speaker 1>get along. Then I quit the Washington Post. Most of

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<v Speaker 1>the people there were wonderful, but there.

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<v Speaker 2>Was a problem. And then I went to work for

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<v Speaker 2>Fox News.

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<v Speaker 1>I keep doing the show and we're on the Salem

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<v Speaker 1>I write columns twice a week for Fox News. I

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<v Speaker 1>write for The Washington Examiner, and I'm a talking head.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm on handity tonight. I doubt that Shawn's

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<v Speaker 1>back from vacation. I'll bet you it's Kelly Ann normally

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<v Speaker 1>asked for me to be on the panel when she's in,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be on Fox and Friends in the morning. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a Fox News contributor, but I'm a Salem guy, and

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<v Speaker 1>what we do is bring you the news, the news

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<v Speaker 1>you need, the analysis you've come to trust, and great guests.

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<v Speaker 2>We are center right and proud of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Fact base, serious fun, and I keep you up to

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<v Speaker 1>date on the Cleveland Browns, the Cleveland Guardians, the Cleveland Cavaliers,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Ohio State University Buckeyes, who may not win

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<v Speaker 1>back to back championships, but are a good bet in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty seven, don't go anywhere, America.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to me here at first broadcast of the

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<v Speaker 2>new year.

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<v Speaker 1>For me as it is first time I've talked to

0:28:04.640 --> 0:28:06.959
<v Speaker 1>Matt Continetti of the Wall Street Journal in the American

0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Enterprise Institute in twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 2>Happy new Year, Matt. I hope it's off to a

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<v Speaker 2>good start for you.

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<v Speaker 5>Happy new year, Hugh.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's begin with the biggest story in the world, Iran.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a lot of Americans know what's going on there

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<v Speaker 1>because it's not being covered very well by our media.

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<v Speaker 1>How important is this series of developments in protesting your view.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I think that's important.

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<v Speaker 6>Iron goes through this every few years, it seems widespread

0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:40.800
<v Speaker 6>public protests, regime crackdown. I think this particular outbreak is

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<v Speaker 6>important for a few reasons, Hugh. The first is, after

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<v Speaker 6>Operation Midnight Hammer, our strike on the Iranian nuclear facilities,

0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:53.040
<v Speaker 6>the commentariat all pronounced that this would strengthen the regime,

0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:55.400
<v Speaker 6>that Iranians would rally to the regime. In fact, the

0:28:55.440 --> 0:29:00.840
<v Speaker 6>exact opposite has happened, and the Iranian people are showing

0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:05.520
<v Speaker 6>their frustration with their government, which has been unable to

0:29:05.520 --> 0:29:11.120
<v Speaker 6>provide them basic utilities such as water or energy. Of course,

0:29:11.120 --> 0:29:16.880
<v Speaker 6>inflation is out of control. Economic and political breakdown in

0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:21.080
<v Speaker 6>the months since Operation Midnight Hammer, so that's important. The

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<v Speaker 6>second reason it's important is there seems to be a

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<v Speaker 6>split within the regime, with some political elements saying that

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<v Speaker 6>they understand what the protesters are complaining about, that they

0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:36.440
<v Speaker 6>want to even take action to mollify them. And that

0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:40.640
<v Speaker 6>suggests that we could have a difference here between earlier

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<v Speaker 6>widespread protests like the Green Revolutions, say in two thousand

0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:48.000
<v Speaker 6>and nine, where the government itself begins to fracture that

0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:51.320
<v Speaker 6>could lead to regime collapse and then the third reason

0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:55.360
<v Speaker 6>why this protest is different is we have an American

0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:58.520
<v Speaker 6>president who has situated himself on the side of the protesters,

0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:02.479
<v Speaker 6>and President Trumps from remarkable post on social media this

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<v Speaker 6>morning where he said that America is ready to protect

0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:09.600
<v Speaker 6>the protesters if the Iranian government opens fire on them,

0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:15.920
<v Speaker 6>is a true remarkable stance for an American president to take.

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<v Speaker 6>It's the first time, whether these protests happened under Obama,

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<v Speaker 6>or they happened under Trump, or they happened under Biden,

0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:26.000
<v Speaker 6>that the American president has said that he stands alongside

0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:30.240
<v Speaker 6>the protesters. So for those three reasons, I'd say this

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<v Speaker 6>has the potential to be much more than a typical

0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:35.560
<v Speaker 6>flare up against the regime.

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<v Speaker 1>Typical flare ups, by my calculation, in nineteen seventy nine,

0:30:39.400 --> 0:30:44.040
<v Speaker 1>the Iranian Revolution, Jimmy Carter's president the late nineteen nineties

0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:46.120
<v Speaker 1>is the first attempt to throw up the regime. Bill

0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:49.160
<v Speaker 1>Clinton his president, the Green Movement in two thousand and nine,

0:30:49.160 --> 0:30:52.760
<v Speaker 1>President Obama his president, and then the young woman was

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<v Speaker 1>murdered in twenty twenty two in the protests there that

0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:56.920
<v Speaker 1>were ignored by.

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<v Speaker 2>The Biden administration.

0:30:58.080 --> 0:31:01.880
<v Speaker 1>Those four seminal moments current under democratic presidents who were

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<v Speaker 1>weak on national security and with an administration that was

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<v Speaker 1>averse to any kind of vocal support. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see Secretary of Rubio and UN Ambassador Waltz in

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<v Speaker 1>the game talking about Iran this week.

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<v Speaker 6>I think I've already seen Ambassador Waltz make some statements.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm sure we'll see Secretary Rubio follow through. And you know,

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<v Speaker 6>you you bring to mind this idea of maximum pressure

0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:33.040
<v Speaker 6>that was always kind of the motto of the Trump

0:31:33.080 --> 0:31:37.080
<v Speaker 6>administration's approach to Iran. It began in the first term

0:31:37.200 --> 0:31:42.680
<v Speaker 6>where the Trump administration applied economic pressure, really squeezing the regime,

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<v Speaker 6>withdrew from the nuclear agreement that Obama had made, took

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<v Speaker 6>out Solamani, the head of the IRGC. And now we

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<v Speaker 6>have this second term where Trump has took out the

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<v Speaker 6>Ford how nuclear facility, you know, building on on Israel's

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<v Speaker 6>achievements in taking out other nuclear and missile production sites

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<v Speaker 6>during the war.

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<v Speaker 5>Earlier this rather last year.

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<v Speaker 6>Now we have additional maximum pressure, and we have Trump

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<v Speaker 6>on the side of the protesters. So there's a moment

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:20.600
<v Speaker 6>of opportunity here I think where we could really score

0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:24.360
<v Speaker 6>victory for freedom. If the Iranians do take that next

0:32:24.360 --> 0:32:26.360
<v Speaker 6>step to bring down the Mullas.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Donald Trump has used military power against Venezuela. I'm

0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:33.320
<v Speaker 1>not sure it makes sense to use any military power in.

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<v Speaker 2>Iran right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Unless it is absolute chaos and American interests and people

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<v Speaker 1>are threatened.

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<v Speaker 2>What I read in that.

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<v Speaker 1>Through social post this morning was the kind of vocal

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<v Speaker 1>focus and support that was lacking under President's Biden, Obama, Clinton,

0:32:55.760 --> 0:33:00.640
<v Speaker 1>and of course Jimmy Carter. Do you actually expect any

0:33:00.680 --> 0:33:02.120
<v Speaker 1>more than that? I mean, four and Oh was great.

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<v Speaker 1>Operation of Night Hammer was great, But I don't expect

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<v Speaker 1>anything more than that.

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<v Speaker 6>In the near future. Probably not. I mean, it depends

0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:13.920
<v Speaker 6>on what the regime does. Of course meant let's forget,

0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:17.520
<v Speaker 6>let's not forget. Rather that just last week when Prime

0:33:17.520 --> 0:33:19.800
<v Speaker 6>Minister net and Yah who visited Trump and mar A Lago.

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<v Speaker 6>What we got out of that meeting was President Trump saying, look,

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<v Speaker 6>if the Iranians moved to restore the nuclear program, Israel

0:33:28.480 --> 0:33:31.280
<v Speaker 6>has a green light, and America we'll take action too.

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<v Speaker 5>So I don't think we're done with Iran quite yet.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope not.

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<v Speaker 1>That I'm treating that in a separate category. Don't go

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere in America. I'm with Matt. During the break, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be back on the other side talk about CBS. But

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<v Speaker 1>during the break, Joseph Epstein state ten, I'm back with

0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:48.520
<v Speaker 1>Matt Continey of The Wall Street Journal and Ai.

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<v Speaker 2>Matt.

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<v Speaker 1>The last book I read in twenty twenty five, and

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<v Speaker 1>I finished it yesterday is Joseph Epstein's twenty twenty four

0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:58.080
<v Speaker 1>memoir Never say You've had a lucky life, especially if

0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:00.840
<v Speaker 1>you've had a lucky life. Actually brilliant?

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<v Speaker 2>Have you read it?

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<v Speaker 6>Not only did I read it, I reviewed it for

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<v Speaker 6>The Wall Street Journal, Hugh.

0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:11.600
<v Speaker 4>Oh where I stumped you? I stumped you.

0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:13.160
<v Speaker 2>And you beat me. Tell people have.

0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:15.239
<v Speaker 1>Heard me talk about Joseph Epstein for years. Bring me

0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:18.560
<v Speaker 1>the Brain of Joseph Epstein. He has repeatedly politely turned

0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:20.400
<v Speaker 1>down the invitation to be on the program. He doesn't

0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:23.719
<v Speaker 1>like this format or whatever. But I think he is

0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:25.920
<v Speaker 1>our most brilliant essay is Is there anyone else in

0:34:25.960 --> 0:34:26.440
<v Speaker 1>his league?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

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<v Speaker 6>No, I'm certainly not living any longer. Joe is one

0:34:34.280 --> 0:34:39.959
<v Speaker 6>of the last great literary journalists, a great literary intellectual.

0:34:40.520 --> 0:34:44.400
<v Speaker 6>I've often recommended his books to young people as a

0:34:44.440 --> 0:34:48.040
<v Speaker 6>form of graduate school. I mean certainly they amount to

0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:53.440
<v Speaker 6>earning a master's even a PhD in literary and cultural history.

0:34:53.520 --> 0:34:56.120
<v Speaker 5>I own all of his books. I returned to them

0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:56.880
<v Speaker 5>again and again.

0:34:57.960 --> 0:35:01.640
<v Speaker 6>He's a brilliant, brilliant writer, whether he he's writing on

0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:06.680
<v Speaker 6>sports or culture, or movies or books. Though, I think

0:35:06.719 --> 0:35:10.239
<v Speaker 6>I like his literary biography the best when he kind

0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:13.319
<v Speaker 6>of locates an author and just writes a very long

0:35:13.440 --> 0:35:15.480
<v Speaker 6>essay talking about the author's life and work.

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<v Speaker 5>That those are my favorite Epstein.

0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:20.080
<v Speaker 2>I do love all that. I also have not all

0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:20.600
<v Speaker 2>of his books.

0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:22.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't have his book on divorce, for example, but

0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:26.200
<v Speaker 1>I've got probably ninety percent of them, and they're well thumbed.

0:35:26.840 --> 0:35:29.279
<v Speaker 1>How do you get that smart? Because you know, he's

0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:33.759
<v Speaker 1>very self effacing in this autobiography. He's in Little Rock, Arkansas,

0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:36.200
<v Speaker 1>to was married to his first wife, with two boys

0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:38.680
<v Speaker 1>that were not his own, end up with. There's tragedy

0:35:38.760 --> 0:35:41.480
<v Speaker 1>his life. They're sadness. There's great, they're brilliant writing. But

0:35:41.600 --> 0:35:44.319
<v Speaker 1>how do you learn all this stuff? He didn't do

0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:47.879
<v Speaker 1>any work until he was twenty five. I mean work

0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:49.960
<v Speaker 1>being educational, hard work.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, the University of Chicago helps. There's no doubt about that,

0:35:54.560 --> 0:36:00.319
<v Speaker 6>and the curriculum there, especially when Epstein went there, is

0:36:00.400 --> 0:36:04.120
<v Speaker 6>pretty demanding and wide ranging. It still is to I

0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:07.680
<v Speaker 6>think a large extent. And then, of course, in some

0:36:07.719 --> 0:36:10.400
<v Speaker 6>of his essays, Epstein points out other places where you

0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:17.120
<v Speaker 6>acquire culture libraries, use bookstores, and he's a haunt. He

0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:21.080
<v Speaker 6>haunts the use bookstores, going through them and picking up

0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 6>volumes that he reads and learns from. And you know,

0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:30.239
<v Speaker 6>another way you acquire this learning is through time. You know,

0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:34.480
<v Speaker 6>Epstein has been at it for a long time, He's

0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:38.879
<v Speaker 6>in his ninth decade now or approaching it very soon.

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<v Speaker 6>And that work builds up, and that store of cultural

0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:46.160
<v Speaker 6>knowledge builds up over time to the point where, you know,

0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:48.600
<v Speaker 6>in the last ten years or so, Joe has been

0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:52.719
<v Speaker 6>writing mainly about classical authors, the Greeks and Romans, figures,

0:36:52.840 --> 0:36:55.400
<v Speaker 6>figures that you know, he didn't really pay much attention

0:36:55.440 --> 0:36:58.439
<v Speaker 6>to for most of his career, but now he's been

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<v Speaker 6>writing eloquently and learnedly about them as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to warn the audience when you get

0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:06.960
<v Speaker 1>never say you've had a lucky life. Especially if you've

0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:10.840
<v Speaker 1>had a lucky life, you'll just feel so dumb, but persevere.

0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:12.120
<v Speaker 2>He'll help you out of that.

0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:14.520
<v Speaker 1>Even if you don't, even if you have to look

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<v Speaker 1>up things as I had to do repeatedly, don't go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm coming right back with Matt Contney. We'll talk about

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<v Speaker 1>CBS Welcome Back America. I'm gonna deal it with Matt

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<v Speaker 1>Khnenny of The Wall Street Journal, Senior Fellow at the

0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:34.319
<v Speaker 1>American Enterprise Institute for Domestic Policy Study. Matt, have you

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<v Speaker 1>followed Did you watch the Tony Decopple video about his

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<v Speaker 1>promise about how he's going to approach anchoring duties at

0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:42.080
<v Speaker 1>CBS Evening News.

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<v Speaker 2>I did.

0:37:43.560 --> 0:37:45.560
<v Speaker 4>I thought it was a breath of fresh air.

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<v Speaker 6>And it's amazing that this counts as novelty in the

0:37:49.000 --> 0:37:53.439
<v Speaker 6>world of corporate media. But I'm happy that Tony gave

0:37:53.480 --> 0:37:55.400
<v Speaker 6>the message, and you know what, I think he and

0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:58.120
<v Speaker 6>CBS News are going to try hard to deliver on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the second quest, and I'll come back to Tony,

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<v Speaker 1>Nick Shirley and Minnesota. Do you count that as journalism?

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<v Speaker 5>I do? I do.

0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:15.040
<v Speaker 6>It's reporting, it's investigating, it's talking to people, it's going

0:38:15.080 --> 0:38:18.960
<v Speaker 6>to places, it's recording what you see and hear. It's

0:38:19.000 --> 0:38:23.680
<v Speaker 6>reporting your conclusions. So it is journalism. Yes, it is,

0:38:23.760 --> 0:38:29.319
<v Speaker 6>and I think it's highly influential journalism, considering that Nick

0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:35.080
<v Speaker 6>Shirley has kind of amplified this ongoing welfare fraud scandal

0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:39.279
<v Speaker 6>in Minnesota to the next level where not just conservatives

0:38:39.320 --> 0:38:42.960
<v Speaker 6>are talking about it, but Americans of all persuasions doing so.

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<v Speaker 1>What Nick Sureley has, I'm not sure Tony had Dacoppel

0:38:46.840 --> 0:38:50.640
<v Speaker 1>and CBS has yet. Isn't a unique experience he was.

0:38:50.680 --> 0:38:52.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you read up on him. He

0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:54.800
<v Speaker 1>was a missionary for the Church of Jesus Christ of

0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:56.839
<v Speaker 1>Latter day Saints in Chile for two years.

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<v Speaker 2>Were you aware of that?

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<v Speaker 5>No, it wasn't.

0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:02.239
<v Speaker 1>Well, that means you knock on thousands of doors of

0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:06.279
<v Speaker 1>strangers and sometimes they might shoot at you or set

0:39:06.280 --> 0:39:08.319
<v Speaker 1>a dog on you. Sometimes they might invite you in

0:39:08.400 --> 0:39:10.480
<v Speaker 1>to have dinner, but you do it for two years.

0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:13.480
<v Speaker 1>I always call on my LDS law students on the

0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:15.960
<v Speaker 1>first day of class becuse they're asolutely fearless if they've

0:39:15.960 --> 0:39:18.959
<v Speaker 1>been missionaries. I think a lot of that came through

0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:21.640
<v Speaker 1>and I had the echo of it in old journalm

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<v Speaker 1>show up and ask a question or two.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all it really is.

0:39:24.840 --> 0:39:27.760
<v Speaker 1>The late Michael Kelly used to say on this program,

0:39:27.840 --> 0:39:31.359
<v Speaker 1>journalism is a craft, not a profession, and I think

0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:35.200
<v Speaker 1>he was right. Now Tony Dekoppel sits a top, not

0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:38.680
<v Speaker 1>a throne of skulls, but a vast newsroom that the

0:39:38.760 --> 0:39:42.000
<v Speaker 1>pipeline of people with pre existing conditions.

0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:44.239
<v Speaker 2>When it comes to the media that feed him.

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<v Speaker 1>The anchors really don't often write the news, Brett, does it?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think it matters who the anchor is at

0:39:51.960 --> 0:39:55.680
<v Speaker 1>a place like CBS with its legacy journalists there in

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<v Speaker 1>the newsroom.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I do think anchors matter because they might not

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<v Speaker 6>do the reporting, they may not even do the writing,

0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:10.360
<v Speaker 6>but an active anchor will put his or her personality

0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:14.040
<v Speaker 6>in how they present the information, which stories they highlight,

0:40:14.600 --> 0:40:18.000
<v Speaker 6>They will change the script. We know that our friend

0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:22.440
<v Speaker 6>Brettbear takes a very active role on the CNN side.

0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:24.479
<v Speaker 5>Jake Tapper will take an active role.

0:40:25.080 --> 0:40:28.320
<v Speaker 6>You can have, of course, you know, as someone who's

0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:31.359
<v Speaker 6>not quite an anchor but a CBS personality.

0:40:30.840 --> 0:40:31.440
<v Speaker 5>Mike Wallace.

0:40:31.520 --> 0:40:34.480
<v Speaker 6>You knew what you were getting from Mike Wallace, he

0:40:35.160 --> 0:40:36.960
<v Speaker 6>had a hand in it, and from his son Chris

0:40:37.080 --> 0:40:39.360
<v Speaker 6>Wallace as well. So I do think the personality of

0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:42.040
<v Speaker 6>the anchor matters quite a bit, and that's why I

0:40:42.200 --> 0:40:47.279
<v Speaker 6>was happy to see this message from Tony Dokoupool over

0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:47.800
<v Speaker 6>the weekend.

0:40:47.880 --> 0:40:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Now, I told my sister in law yesterday at a

0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:54.160
<v Speaker 1>birthday party slash New Year's Day gathering that very wise

0:40:54.239 --> 0:40:57.000
<v Speaker 1>I've only spoken to once and only ever worked on

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<v Speaker 1>one thing together and end up not getting printed because

0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:00.640
<v Speaker 1>we just couldn't.

0:41:00.320 --> 0:41:01.600
<v Speaker 2>Get tough the editorial pressers together.

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<v Speaker 1>When she was with the journal I told her I

0:41:04.239 --> 0:41:07.239
<v Speaker 1>thought Barry Weiss was a center left journalist and.

0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:09.440
<v Speaker 2>That she should trust her. Do you agree with that

0:41:09.440 --> 0:41:10.560
<v Speaker 2>assessment center left?

0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:13.960
<v Speaker 4>I would say she's center.

0:41:15.120 --> 0:41:19.839
<v Speaker 6>She certainly has, you know, liberal instincts, but it's it's

0:41:19.840 --> 0:41:23.359
<v Speaker 6>an older liberalism than what we think of when we

0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:26.480
<v Speaker 6>hear the word today. I mean, she believes in equality,

0:41:26.560 --> 0:41:31.120
<v Speaker 6>she believes in freedom, she believes in merit, she believes

0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:34.840
<v Speaker 6>in America's alliance with the state of Israel.

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<v Speaker 5>All of those values.

0:41:37.480 --> 0:41:42.279
<v Speaker 6>Were part of the liberal side for many decades on

0:41:42.320 --> 0:41:43.239
<v Speaker 6>the American left.

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<v Speaker 5>They are less so today.

0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:51.799
<v Speaker 6>So she, you know, she may distance herself from some

0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:56.799
<v Speaker 6>aspects of conservatism, certainly trump Ism, and that definitely puts

0:41:56.840 --> 0:41:57.480
<v Speaker 6>her on the center.

0:41:57.520 --> 0:41:58.799
<v Speaker 5>I don't know if it quite puts her on the

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<v Speaker 5>center left.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I've always used the baseball analogy when it comes

0:42:04.080 --> 0:42:07.240
<v Speaker 1>to newspeople. They play center field, they play right field

0:42:07.280 --> 0:42:09.960
<v Speaker 1>like I do, or they play left field in the

0:42:09.960 --> 0:42:14.839
<v Speaker 1>way that for example, New York actually New York Times

0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:19.880
<v Speaker 1>in the left field bleachers, that the Washington.

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<v Speaker 5>Out of the stadium.

0:42:20.360 --> 0:42:23.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Ruth Marcus, all right, Ruth Marcus is a classic

0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:27.239
<v Speaker 1>left center left person. And there are a bunch of

0:42:27.239 --> 0:42:29.640
<v Speaker 1>them out there, and they're fair minded, and they know

0:42:29.719 --> 0:42:32.160
<v Speaker 1>what they're talking about, and they know the other side.

0:42:32.600 --> 0:42:34.760
<v Speaker 1>We may not agree, but you're going to get fairness

0:42:34.760 --> 0:42:38.200
<v Speaker 1>out of them. What worries me is that I looked

0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:42.080
<v Speaker 1>up the numbers. CBS is way behind ABC World News

0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:46.200
<v Speaker 1>seven point one nine million in October, NBC Nightly News

0:42:46.239 --> 0:42:49.919
<v Speaker 1>five point sixty three million in October, CBS three point

0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:54.359
<v Speaker 1>five to five million in October. How long will it

0:42:54.400 --> 0:42:58.120
<v Speaker 1>take to actually regain trust of the sort? I told

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<v Speaker 1>Elia like this in the last segment, when I was

0:43:02.000 --> 0:43:04.720
<v Speaker 1>twenty one, about to begin my last year in college.

0:43:05.120 --> 0:43:07.799
<v Speaker 1>Six guys in the summer, after he played golf, went

0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:08.640
<v Speaker 1>to the Indians game or.

0:43:08.600 --> 0:43:09.400
<v Speaker 2>Screwed around whatever.

0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:12.480
<v Speaker 1>We'd always watch sixty minutes same six guys drinking beers

0:43:12.480 --> 0:43:14.280
<v Speaker 1>and watching that's gone.

0:43:14.400 --> 0:43:16.759
<v Speaker 2>That demo's gone. Now, how in the world do you

0:43:16.800 --> 0:43:17.600
<v Speaker 2>get it back? Map?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, I think that's the big question, you know. I

0:43:22.680 --> 0:43:28.719
<v Speaker 6>think it attaches to individuals more than more than to networks, say,

0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:31.359
<v Speaker 6>or The way to build a great network is to

0:43:31.480 --> 0:43:36.400
<v Speaker 6>have a stable of individual anchors and reporters that audiences

0:43:36.480 --> 0:43:39.319
<v Speaker 6>trust and want to watch, want a key into. And

0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:41.799
<v Speaker 6>so I think that's why this appointment of the new

0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:45.320
<v Speaker 6>anchor and the messages he's sending is a good sign.

0:43:45.440 --> 0:43:47.840
<v Speaker 6>We want to see what happens next with Barry Weiss

0:43:48.480 --> 0:43:53.000
<v Speaker 6>her hires, you know, can she come up with individuals

0:43:53.040 --> 0:43:56.560
<v Speaker 6>that audiences really respond to, because you know, I think

0:43:56.600 --> 0:44:00.120
<v Speaker 6>the Nick Shirley example is very important in this In

0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:02.800
<v Speaker 6>this context too, is that here you have one person,

0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:06.400
<v Speaker 6>he's got maybe some friends holding the camera, you know,

0:44:06.760 --> 0:44:10.240
<v Speaker 6>driving him around different places. Is a very small light unit,

0:44:10.800 --> 0:44:13.840
<v Speaker 6>and yet he had a major effect on his reporting.

0:44:13.880 --> 0:44:17.680
<v Speaker 6>It's a lesson that we took to when we were

0:44:17.719 --> 0:44:20.600
<v Speaker 6>founding the Washington Free Beacon, and that Eleanna Johnson still

0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:23.000
<v Speaker 6>applies with the journalism of the Washington Free Beacon. Is

0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:26.120
<v Speaker 6>that with just a few people asking the right questions

0:44:26.120 --> 0:44:29.759
<v Speaker 6>and looking in places where others aren't looking. You can

0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:35.239
<v Speaker 6>have a major impact on events in politics and society.

0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:38.360
<v Speaker 6>So it's a question of finding the right people. And

0:44:38.400 --> 0:44:41.160
<v Speaker 6>if there's one thing I know about Barry Weiss, having

0:44:41.360 --> 0:44:44.640
<v Speaker 6>worked for her for a little bit last year, she

0:44:44.760 --> 0:44:47.520
<v Speaker 6>knows people and she's a great talent spotter.

0:44:47.800 --> 0:44:49.360
<v Speaker 2>We all said that's what they need.

0:44:49.400 --> 0:44:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Matt Continetti, follow him on Extra Continenty, read him in

0:44:52.200 --> 0:44:55.480
<v Speaker 1>the Journal, read him at AAI, and here are most

0:44:55.480 --> 0:44:57.319
<v Speaker 1>fridays right here on the Uhwit Show.

0:44:57.320 --> 0:45:05.160
<v Speaker 2>Don't go anywhere, America. I'll be right back. Welcome back

0:45:05.200 --> 0:45:06.440
<v Speaker 2>in America. I'm Hugh Hewett.

0:45:06.800 --> 0:45:09.640
<v Speaker 1>Eli Lake as the host of the Breaking History podcast.

0:45:09.719 --> 0:45:12.600
<v Speaker 1>He's a contributor to the Free Press, frequently heard on

0:45:12.680 --> 0:45:15.600
<v Speaker 1>Commentaries podcast as well. And we caught Eli unaware, so

0:45:15.640 --> 0:45:17.880
<v Speaker 1>we've got a T shirt on is he's still celebrating.

0:45:18.000 --> 0:45:20.200
<v Speaker 2>My holidays are over, Eli, The hollidays are over.

0:45:20.280 --> 0:45:23.200
<v Speaker 7>You know, I filed a very good column on Iran,

0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:24.759
<v Speaker 7>by the way, I just didn't realize that was going

0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:25.279
<v Speaker 7>to be on air.

0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Well, I want to talk to you about Iran, but

0:45:28.080 --> 0:45:30.160
<v Speaker 1>before that, I want to talk to you about CBS

0:45:30.239 --> 0:45:33.080
<v Speaker 1>Evening News and Tony de Kopple's thing yesterday.

0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:36.240
<v Speaker 2>Did you watch his video yesterday?

0:45:36.719 --> 0:45:40.319
<v Speaker 7>I saw the message about how the CBS is now

0:45:40.360 --> 0:45:43.120
<v Speaker 7>going to be trying to cover more stories that are

0:45:43.160 --> 0:45:46.320
<v Speaker 7>relevant to all of America, and I applauded one hundred percent.

0:45:46.440 --> 0:45:48.080
<v Speaker 7>I think he's he's going to do great.

0:45:48.200 --> 0:45:48.680
<v Speaker 4>So do I.

0:45:48.800 --> 0:45:49.080
<v Speaker 2>Now.

0:45:49.400 --> 0:45:51.759
<v Speaker 1>I've been in the news business since nineteen ninety, so

0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:53.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm an old guy, and I've been doing this forever

0:45:53.719 --> 0:45:57.000
<v Speaker 1>on radio and television for network and for PBS and

0:45:57.040 --> 0:45:59.760
<v Speaker 1>for NBC and Fox, and on the radio for forever.

0:46:00.520 --> 0:46:03.440
<v Speaker 1>You've been in the print business for a long time.

0:46:03.320 --> 0:46:06.400
<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, since the mid nineties.

0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:10.520
<v Speaker 1>All right, so we're roughly we are contemporaries. I'm older

0:46:10.560 --> 0:46:13.480
<v Speaker 1>than you are. What do you think went wrong with

0:46:13.719 --> 0:46:15.640
<v Speaker 1>television news specifically?

0:46:15.800 --> 0:46:18.279
<v Speaker 2>I just gave my opinions. I'm wondering what yours are.

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<v Speaker 7>I think with elite like sort of the mainstream the

0:46:23.360 --> 0:46:27.759
<v Speaker 7>top television news we're talking about, you know, CBS, like

0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:30.200
<v Speaker 7>sixty minutes New York, but also the New York Times

0:46:30.200 --> 0:46:33.160
<v Speaker 7>and things like that, I think it really happened. There

0:46:33.200 --> 0:46:35.719
<v Speaker 7>was always a bit of a liberal bias, but there

0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:38.479
<v Speaker 7>was also a commitment to the editorial process. I think

0:46:38.560 --> 0:46:44.840
<v Speaker 7>after Trump wins in twenty sixteen, the elite sense makers

0:46:45.400 --> 0:46:48.280
<v Speaker 7>in the news business, and I mean television news as well,

0:46:49.280 --> 0:46:53.880
<v Speaker 7>kind of became part of like a big bord like

0:46:53.960 --> 0:46:57.920
<v Speaker 7>structure that we might call like resistance. And once you

0:46:58.000 --> 0:47:02.719
<v Speaker 7>become a kind of political it's very difficult to then

0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:07.279
<v Speaker 7>also be the chronicler of our times, the newsperson. I

0:47:07.360 --> 0:47:10.080
<v Speaker 7>just wrote a review of a new documentary on Seemur Hirsh,

0:47:10.120 --> 0:47:12.480
<v Speaker 7>and I think that's kind of what happened to sy Hirsch.

0:47:12.840 --> 0:47:17.280
<v Speaker 7>Sy Hirsch began breaking really important and big stories about

0:47:17.360 --> 0:47:21.200
<v Speaker 7>the overreach and abuses of our national security state, but

0:47:21.360 --> 0:47:24.080
<v Speaker 7>over time he also became a kind of advocate.

0:47:24.360 --> 0:47:25.680
<v Speaker 2>And I think something like that.

0:47:25.600 --> 0:47:30.759
<v Speaker 7>Happened in places like CBS News and ABC News and

0:47:30.800 --> 0:47:33.240
<v Speaker 7>so forth, which is that once you sort of stop

0:47:33.320 --> 0:47:36.279
<v Speaker 7>doing the process and trying to get fair comment and

0:47:36.320 --> 0:47:38.360
<v Speaker 7>trying to sort of say we're going to do stories

0:47:38.360 --> 0:47:41.080
<v Speaker 7>that are relevant to our readers, then at that point

0:47:41.080 --> 0:47:44.080
<v Speaker 7>on our viewers, and at that point it becomes more

0:47:44.160 --> 0:47:45.880
<v Speaker 7>a part of advocacy and less a.

0:47:45.840 --> 0:47:46.520
<v Speaker 2>Part of journalism.

0:47:47.000 --> 0:47:49.600
<v Speaker 1>I think that's pretty much what I believe agenda driven

0:47:49.680 --> 0:47:55.080
<v Speaker 1>journalism isn't journalism. It is an agenda being driven by

0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:58.440
<v Speaker 1>the vehicles that used to be journalism. Now, when I

0:47:58.480 --> 0:48:01.200
<v Speaker 1>say journalism, you mentioned sixteen minutes. I was a sixteen

0:48:01.239 --> 0:48:03.399
<v Speaker 1>minutes addict. I just think it broke when it came

0:48:03.480 --> 0:48:07.200
<v Speaker 1>to quality and quantity. It just didn't deliver the goods.

0:48:07.640 --> 0:48:09.920
<v Speaker 1>And there are a lot of options now on Sunday night.

0:48:10.239 --> 0:48:13.600
<v Speaker 1>I began the program by saying, when I was twenty one,

0:48:13.680 --> 0:48:15.680
<v Speaker 1>and you know, the summer between my junior and junior

0:48:15.719 --> 0:48:18.320
<v Speaker 1>year in college, a half dozen guys would get together

0:48:18.360 --> 0:48:20.400
<v Speaker 1>on Sunday night to watch sixty minutes and have a

0:48:20.440 --> 0:48:23.640
<v Speaker 1>couple of beers because football is over, and you know,

0:48:23.760 --> 0:48:27.360
<v Speaker 1>we were young men. That demo's gone now from television,

0:48:27.400 --> 0:48:27.719
<v Speaker 1>isn't it.

0:48:30.080 --> 0:48:32.919
<v Speaker 7>I mean, it's a totally different media world right now,

0:48:32.960 --> 0:48:35.680
<v Speaker 7>and everybody can kind of all heart their menu of

0:48:35.680 --> 0:48:38.120
<v Speaker 7>what they want to watch. So the idea that everyone's

0:48:38.120 --> 0:48:41.040
<v Speaker 7>gathering in a dorm room to watch a presidential debate

0:48:41.120 --> 0:48:42.879
<v Speaker 7>or sixty minutes or something like that, I mean those

0:48:42.920 --> 0:48:45.640
<v Speaker 7>days are over. I think that we have that semi

0:48:46.239 --> 0:48:49.000
<v Speaker 7>sort of version of that experience on social media when

0:48:49.040 --> 0:48:52.400
<v Speaker 7>we talk about big news events, but it's not the

0:48:52.440 --> 0:48:54.759
<v Speaker 7>same as it used to be, where we were sort

0:48:54.800 --> 0:48:58.040
<v Speaker 7>of all watching it together at the same time, which which.

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<v Speaker 2>Brings me to the test case.

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<v Speaker 1>The buest news event in the world right now is

0:49:02.560 --> 0:49:06.240
<v Speaker 1>Iran by I have magnitude of ten, maybe one hundred,

0:49:06.360 --> 0:49:10.160
<v Speaker 1>Bigger than Minnesota fraud, bigger than what they're doing at CBS.

0:49:10.520 --> 0:49:14.160
<v Speaker 1>It's their fourth revolution, the original seventy nine revolution, the

0:49:14.239 --> 0:49:18.640
<v Speaker 1>nineteen nineties, late nineteen nineties, then we had the Green Movement,

0:49:18.760 --> 0:49:22.000
<v Speaker 1>and then we had twenty twenty two. Unfortunately for the

0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:26.080
<v Speaker 1>Iranian people, weak democratic presidents and administrations were in power,

0:49:26.239 --> 0:49:29.600
<v Speaker 1>and each of those four moments. This time is different,

0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:32.799
<v Speaker 1>and all I want the American government to do is

0:49:32.840 --> 0:49:35.760
<v Speaker 1>pay attention and publicize what's going. I don't want intervention,

0:49:36.200 --> 0:49:38.799
<v Speaker 1>I don't want military action. I want a lot of

0:49:38.840 --> 0:49:41.879
<v Speaker 1>focus and condemnation on violence. Do you think we'll get

0:49:41.920 --> 0:49:42.960
<v Speaker 1>it right this time?

0:49:44.680 --> 0:49:49.640
<v Speaker 7>Biggest crossed. I think that Trump's truth social post. He

0:49:49.719 --> 0:49:52.640
<v Speaker 7>has a flare for the language, and it evokes potential,

0:49:52.760 --> 0:49:55.799
<v Speaker 7>like Americas will come to their rescue, we are locked

0:49:55.840 --> 0:49:59.520
<v Speaker 7>and loaded. That evokes military, but it doesn't explicitly say military.

0:49:59.600 --> 0:50:02.040
<v Speaker 7>I don't think think there is really a military option

0:50:02.200 --> 0:50:03.719
<v Speaker 7>right now, as much as I want to see the

0:50:03.719 --> 0:50:06.920
<v Speaker 7>Iranian people succeed, but there are lots of things and

0:50:07.000 --> 0:50:08.560
<v Speaker 7>I just did a ton of reporting on this, and

0:50:08.600 --> 0:50:10.040
<v Speaker 7>you're catching me at the right time. There are a

0:50:10.040 --> 0:50:12.000
<v Speaker 7>lot of things that we can do. We can do

0:50:12.120 --> 0:50:17.360
<v Speaker 7>cyber things where we helped blind the security services against

0:50:17.400 --> 0:50:22.399
<v Speaker 7>the demonstrators. We can publicize you're absolutely right, people who

0:50:22.400 --> 0:50:25.279
<v Speaker 7>have been abducted and things like that. We can publicize

0:50:25.280 --> 0:50:28.480
<v Speaker 7>the names of people who shoot others, and we've already

0:50:28.480 --> 0:50:31.480
<v Speaker 7>started to see that among the Iranians themselves. And what

0:50:31.520 --> 0:50:33.480
<v Speaker 7>I would say, and what surprised me is I've been

0:50:33.520 --> 0:50:37.200
<v Speaker 7>reporting the story, Hugh, is that the State Department under

0:50:37.239 --> 0:50:41.520
<v Speaker 7>Marco Rubio has been there already. So you can find

0:50:41.560 --> 0:50:44.800
<v Speaker 7>statements from Marco Rubio from before when these protests started

0:50:45.000 --> 0:50:48.239
<v Speaker 7>December twelfth, saying, yeah, we're really concerned about how the

0:50:48.280 --> 0:50:50.560
<v Speaker 7>regime treats its own people. You can also find if

0:50:50.560 --> 0:50:53.040
<v Speaker 7>you look at the rate at the Far Sea account

0:50:53.080 --> 0:50:58.480
<v Speaker 7>of the State Department, really specific posts for the last

0:50:58.520 --> 0:51:02.440
<v Speaker 7>six months about demonstrations that didn't get in much attention

0:51:03.640 --> 0:51:07.600
<v Speaker 7>individual activists. I spoke to people who are in the

0:51:07.680 --> 0:51:10.880
<v Speaker 7>US government who are kind of anonymous sources saying that

0:51:10.920 --> 0:51:13.160
<v Speaker 7>they have been tracking at a very high level of

0:51:13.160 --> 0:51:17.120
<v Speaker 7>detail the people who are emerging as a kind of

0:51:17.160 --> 0:51:19.719
<v Speaker 7>you know, leaders of a leader list movement that's very

0:51:19.719 --> 0:51:21.640
<v Speaker 7>desperate right now. So I think there's a lot that

0:51:21.680 --> 0:51:25.160
<v Speaker 7>can be done, and American people can show solidarity. You

0:51:25.200 --> 0:51:28.120
<v Speaker 7>can raise money and figure out ways to raise money

0:51:28.120 --> 0:51:31.239
<v Speaker 7>for secure communications, things that Elon Muskin do in terms

0:51:31.280 --> 0:51:33.960
<v Speaker 7>of starlink, and try to make it so that Iranian

0:51:34.040 --> 0:51:37.280
<v Speaker 7>cell phones can connect without a base station, which are

0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:38.400
<v Speaker 7>you going to get you in a lot of trouble

0:51:38.400 --> 0:51:41.360
<v Speaker 7>with the security services right now. And finally, like raising

0:51:41.360 --> 0:51:45.000
<v Speaker 7>money for things like a strike fund. We're not seeing

0:51:45.000 --> 0:51:47.560
<v Speaker 7>a general strike, which is what preceded the nineteen seventy

0:51:47.640 --> 0:51:50.799
<v Speaker 7>nine revolution. But I think the fact that this one

0:51:51.040 --> 0:51:54.760
<v Speaker 7>started with the merchant class, by the way the merchant

0:51:54.760 --> 0:51:59.319
<v Speaker 7>class started the original nineteen oh five Constitutional Revolution, the

0:51:59.360 --> 0:52:02.440
<v Speaker 7>merchant class a huge part of the reason why the

0:52:02.560 --> 0:52:05.560
<v Speaker 7>Homini seventy nine revolution. The fact that it started with

0:52:05.560 --> 0:52:08.719
<v Speaker 7>the merchant class this time around is very significant.

0:52:08.760 --> 0:52:10.359
<v Speaker 2>So I'm you know, I don't want to make.

0:52:10.320 --> 0:52:14.880
<v Speaker 7>Any predictions, but the Iranian people continue to tell us

0:52:15.200 --> 0:52:17.160
<v Speaker 7>loud and clear they do not want to be ruled

0:52:17.520 --> 0:52:18.840
<v Speaker 7>by the mullas.

0:52:18.640 --> 0:52:22.920
<v Speaker 1>So Eli Javi Reddy Gur made all of American media

0:52:22.960 --> 0:52:25.560
<v Speaker 1>to this story. He had an hour long conversation with

0:52:25.600 --> 0:52:28.840
<v Speaker 1>the Iranian diition. It was great Roya Hakami on this

0:52:29.000 --> 0:52:30.600
<v Speaker 1>morning and I listened to it and I.

0:52:30.560 --> 0:52:32.919
<v Speaker 2>Say, where are people? Do you think?

0:52:32.960 --> 0:52:35.160
<v Speaker 1>This is a test for CBS Evening News and a

0:52:35.239 --> 0:52:38.319
<v Speaker 1>test for every network to cover this because there are

0:52:38.400 --> 0:52:42.080
<v Speaker 1>a lot of diaspra Iranians out there who speak very

0:52:42.080 --> 0:52:45.440
<v Speaker 1>well at length about I didn't realize how broken Iran is.

0:52:45.480 --> 0:52:49.480
<v Speaker 1>The reservoirs are dry, the electricity of intermittent. Where do

0:52:49.560 --> 0:52:50.920
<v Speaker 1>we go to get more stuff?

0:52:51.040 --> 0:52:52.600
<v Speaker 7>All right, well, you're gonna get me in trouble with

0:52:52.640 --> 0:52:54.920
<v Speaker 7>my boss and my dear friend Barry wife. So I

0:52:54.920 --> 0:52:56.440
<v Speaker 7>don't want to, but I will say this. I mean,

0:52:56.480 --> 0:52:58.680
<v Speaker 7>I have not had any conversations obviously with her. I'm

0:52:58.719 --> 0:53:01.279
<v Speaker 7>on the free press side, but I would imagine that

0:53:01.320 --> 0:53:02.240
<v Speaker 7>this is going to be a story.

0:53:02.239 --> 0:53:03.640
<v Speaker 2>Hopefully the CBS News.

0:53:03.480 --> 0:53:05.759
<v Speaker 7>Is going to cover, and frankly it's be some of

0:53:05.840 --> 0:53:08.120
<v Speaker 7>the CNN covers. Everybody should be covering. This is the

0:53:08.120 --> 0:53:09.960
<v Speaker 7>biggest story in the world right now. I one hundred

0:53:09.960 --> 0:53:12.799
<v Speaker 7>percent agree the implications. If you think about it, We've

0:53:12.800 --> 0:53:15.919
<v Speaker 7>got two kind of moves that Trump's doing right now.

0:53:15.960 --> 0:53:18.960
<v Speaker 7>He is expressing solidarity one hundred percent with the Iranian

0:53:19.000 --> 0:53:22.520
<v Speaker 7>people in Iran, there are domino effects in the Middle East,

0:53:22.600 --> 0:53:25.640
<v Speaker 7>and then Venezuela. Keep your eye on Venezuela. If that,

0:53:25.800 --> 0:53:27.799
<v Speaker 7>if the Madora regime goes down, I think Cube is

0:53:27.800 --> 0:53:28.680
<v Speaker 7>in a lot of trouble too.

0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Eli Lake, follow him on an x at Eli Lake,

0:53:32.200 --> 0:53:34.160
<v Speaker 1>read him in the pre Press, and do not miss

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<v Speaker 1>an episode of Breaking History. I'll be right back in

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<v Speaker 1>America at the podcast at ELI producers.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay tuned. Welcome back to Myica.

0:53:44.560 --> 0:53:47.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm Hugh hewittt Douglne Marie is one of the hosts

0:53:47.680 --> 0:53:50.760
<v Speaker 1>of The Bill and Doug Show, which you can always

0:53:50.760 --> 0:53:54.720
<v Speaker 1>get everything on it at Billandugoisue dot substack dot com

0:53:54.760 --> 0:53:57.160
<v Speaker 1>and the free podcast at the Bill and Doug Show.

0:53:57.600 --> 0:54:00.279
<v Speaker 1>They are experts in Ohio State and Big two in

0:54:00.320 --> 0:54:02.359
<v Speaker 1>college football. I think it's the best college football show

0:54:02.360 --> 0:54:03.200
<v Speaker 1>in America.

0:54:03.560 --> 0:54:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Doug.

0:54:04.800 --> 0:54:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Since New Year's Eve, with about a minute and a

0:54:06.880 --> 0:54:10.000
<v Speaker 1>half left in the game, I have felt awful, and

0:54:10.040 --> 0:54:13.040
<v Speaker 1>it's because I don't know these kids.

0:54:13.080 --> 0:54:15.480
<v Speaker 2>I ain't call them kids. They're young men nineteen to

0:54:15.520 --> 0:54:16.000
<v Speaker 2>twenty two.

0:54:16.360 --> 0:54:20.000
<v Speaker 1>But I like Sunny Styles and tegra and Carnel Tait

0:54:20.120 --> 0:54:23.200
<v Speaker 1>and Jeremiah Smith and Julian San And I think Ryan

0:54:23.280 --> 0:54:25.200
<v Speaker 1>Day is good and I like Brian Hartline.

0:54:25.480 --> 0:54:28.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know them, though, but I feel awful for them.

0:54:28.480 --> 0:54:31.920
<v Speaker 2>You know them, so you must feel really crappy.

0:54:34.000 --> 0:54:36.560
<v Speaker 8>Well, you know, I've been interacting with a lot of

0:54:36.560 --> 0:54:38.279
<v Speaker 8>fans since then. I kind of feel worse for the

0:54:38.280 --> 0:54:40.480
<v Speaker 8>fans because they take this to heart. I will say

0:54:40.520 --> 0:54:42.479
<v Speaker 8>it is a little mitigated, Hugh. They won the national

0:54:42.560 --> 0:54:44.719
<v Speaker 8>title a year ago. Yes, So those guys that you're

0:54:44.719 --> 0:54:47.880
<v Speaker 8>talking about there, they still have rings, they still have memories,

0:54:47.880 --> 0:54:50.760
<v Speaker 8>they still have felt the confetti fall on their heads.

0:54:51.239 --> 0:54:53.440
<v Speaker 8>They were trying to accomplish something that had never been

0:54:53.480 --> 0:54:55.319
<v Speaker 8>done in Ohio state history, which is go back to

0:54:55.400 --> 0:54:58.640
<v Speaker 8>back as national champions, and they had talked about that,

0:54:59.080 --> 0:55:01.760
<v Speaker 8>Ryan Day said going in to the game against Miami.

0:55:01.840 --> 0:55:04.640
<v Speaker 8>You know that'd been on their minds for ten months.

0:55:05.040 --> 0:55:07.600
<v Speaker 8>So there was an opportunity there. Especially when you go

0:55:07.600 --> 0:55:09.359
<v Speaker 8>through the regular season twelve and oho and you beat

0:55:09.400 --> 0:55:11.560
<v Speaker 8>Michigan and you're number one in the country. There is

0:55:11.600 --> 0:55:16.719
<v Speaker 8>an opportunity to make history, to go down as potentially

0:55:16.800 --> 0:55:20.359
<v Speaker 8>the greatest team ever at one of the greatest programs ever.

0:55:20.480 --> 0:55:22.839
<v Speaker 8>So that is very difficult. It reminds me a little

0:55:22.840 --> 0:55:25.400
<v Speaker 8>bit here to like twenty thirteen. The build up the

0:55:25.480 --> 0:55:27.400
<v Speaker 8>highest State was it was twelve to oh and twenty

0:55:27.440 --> 0:55:30.200
<v Speaker 8>thirteen lost in the Big Ten championship game in Michigan.

0:55:30.200 --> 0:55:33.319
<v Speaker 8>State lost their bowl game to Clemson, and it's that

0:55:34.000 --> 0:55:36.440
<v Speaker 8>they were so good along the way and you started

0:55:36.480 --> 0:55:40.479
<v Speaker 8>thinking historic things that made it worse when they fell

0:55:40.520 --> 0:55:41.319
<v Speaker 8>short at the end.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Doug, how do you cover this in the aftermath?

0:55:46.040 --> 0:55:47.879
<v Speaker 1>Obviously you got to cover the playoffs, and we'll talk

0:55:47.880 --> 0:55:51.040
<v Speaker 1>about that next Friday, But how do you talk to

0:55:51.560 --> 0:55:54.840
<v Speaker 1>say a Sunny Styles who's a graduating senior or Carnell

0:55:54.920 --> 0:55:57.560
<v Speaker 1>taking away hope ends up wearing a Browns uniform next year.

0:55:57.880 --> 0:56:01.160
<v Speaker 1>Do they make themselves available or are they basically grieving

0:56:01.400 --> 0:56:02.200
<v Speaker 1>away from people?

0:56:02.239 --> 0:56:04.280
<v Speaker 2>And this goes for Ryan Day and the coaching staff

0:56:04.320 --> 0:56:04.719
<v Speaker 2>as well.

0:56:06.160 --> 0:56:09.600
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, it's they do make themselves available.

0:56:09.640 --> 0:56:11.880
<v Speaker 8>They bring three people into the postgame news conference that

0:56:12.000 --> 0:56:14.120
<v Speaker 8>was Caleb Downs and Julian say And as players, and

0:56:14.160 --> 0:56:16.640
<v Speaker 8>Ryan Day's a head coach that wasn't super long. They

0:56:16.640 --> 0:56:18.960
<v Speaker 8>had interviews on the side with some other players, Sonny

0:56:18.960 --> 0:56:23.000
<v Speaker 8>Styles who seemed very composed, Carson Hinzman, Kaden Curry, and

0:56:23.040 --> 0:56:25.880
<v Speaker 8>the locker room was open, so my partner Bill Landis

0:56:25.880 --> 0:56:29.239
<v Speaker 8>was in there talking to some people. So, like, you

0:56:29.320 --> 0:56:32.319
<v Speaker 8>do have to face the music to some degree, right,

0:56:32.400 --> 0:56:34.520
<v Speaker 8>That's kind of part of it. And I think that's

0:56:34.560 --> 0:56:37.080
<v Speaker 8>okay in sports when you're celebrated in victory, I think

0:56:37.120 --> 0:56:41.920
<v Speaker 8>it's okay to answer questions in defeat. You know, it

0:56:42.000 --> 0:56:43.560
<v Speaker 8>was interesting. Some people have brought up, some of our

0:56:43.600 --> 0:56:45.840
<v Speaker 8>Ohio State fans who follow us have brought up the

0:56:45.920 --> 0:56:48.520
<v Speaker 8>idea that, like you, like Kirby Smart stuffered a really

0:56:48.520 --> 0:56:52.080
<v Speaker 8>tough loss George against Old Miss last night, and like

0:56:52.239 --> 0:56:55.560
<v Speaker 8>Kirby Smart after the game was kind of like not bubbly,

0:56:55.600 --> 0:56:57.040
<v Speaker 8>but it was just like, you know, hey, that's a

0:56:57.040 --> 0:56:58.719
<v Speaker 8>great game, and like what are you gonna do? And

0:56:58.760 --> 0:57:01.799
<v Speaker 8>like Ohio State, they really took it hard. So I

0:57:01.840 --> 0:57:04.399
<v Speaker 8>do think it's interesting. I think you can set the

0:57:04.440 --> 0:57:07.920
<v Speaker 8>tone for your fan base and sort of how you

0:57:07.960 --> 0:57:11.720
<v Speaker 8>deal with the loss. At Ohio State, they took it hard,

0:57:12.040 --> 0:57:15.120
<v Speaker 8>you know, I mean, everybody loses sometimes, and.

0:57:15.040 --> 0:57:16.440
<v Speaker 9>They're the defending national champs.

0:57:16.480 --> 0:57:20.160
<v Speaker 8>But they did take this thing hard, I think because

0:57:20.200 --> 0:57:22.840
<v Speaker 8>they know there was something there that fell just outside

0:57:22.840 --> 0:57:23.320
<v Speaker 8>their grasp.

0:57:24.080 --> 0:57:27.200
<v Speaker 1>Well put, these seniors do out a national championship, and

0:57:27.240 --> 0:57:30.280
<v Speaker 1>they did beat the team up north in twenty twenty five. Yep,

0:57:30.440 --> 0:57:33.840
<v Speaker 1>and they are all coming back except for well, there's

0:57:33.880 --> 0:57:36.640
<v Speaker 1>some big name you mentioned Caleb Downs and Sunny Style.

0:57:36.680 --> 0:57:40.520
<v Speaker 1>They're not coming back. Colonel Tate's not coming back. But

0:57:41.000 --> 0:57:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Ryan Day strikes me as a pretty emotional guy that

0:57:45.560 --> 0:57:48.400
<v Speaker 1>he keeps it bottled up, and like Urban Meyer and

0:57:48.520 --> 0:57:51.600
<v Speaker 1>maybe not Jim Trussels so much is he more emotional

0:57:51.640 --> 0:57:53.840
<v Speaker 1>than the other head coaches in college football.

0:57:56.600 --> 0:57:59.560
<v Speaker 8>He takes losses heart, and I think he did. Urban

0:57:59.600 --> 0:58:02.800
<v Speaker 8>took law is hard, right, and it's interesting to me.

0:58:03.040 --> 0:58:04.880
<v Speaker 8>I want to write about this. I want to talk

0:58:04.880 --> 0:58:09.160
<v Speaker 8>about this with our audience. Can they set its hon

0:58:09.320 --> 0:58:12.160
<v Speaker 8>because Ohio State fans take a loss hard, because I

0:58:12.160 --> 0:58:15.120
<v Speaker 8>think the standard at Ohio State is higher than anywhere

0:58:15.120 --> 0:58:16.840
<v Speaker 8>else in the country, and there's a lot.

0:58:16.680 --> 0:58:18.000
<v Speaker 9>Of great things that come with that.

0:58:18.360 --> 0:58:21.000
<v Speaker 8>Holding yourself to a high standard everyone around due to

0:58:21.080 --> 0:58:24.640
<v Speaker 8>a high standard, you know, sets up opportunities for success.

0:58:24.680 --> 0:58:28.800
<v Speaker 8>And they have been the most consistently successful college football

0:58:28.840 --> 0:58:31.280
<v Speaker 8>program since what he has got here in nineteen fifty one.

0:58:31.400 --> 0:58:35.880
<v Speaker 8>So that's what they are, and so in some way,

0:58:36.240 --> 0:58:41.120
<v Speaker 8>no loss is ever acceptable. But you know, Miami's good,

0:58:41.320 --> 0:58:45.680
<v Speaker 8>and it was a tough matchup, and you know, there

0:58:45.720 --> 0:58:48.880
<v Speaker 8>was an interception return for a touchdown that flipped the game,

0:58:49.000 --> 0:58:51.480
<v Speaker 8>and Ohio State missed a field goal that might have helped,

0:58:51.520 --> 0:58:54.160
<v Speaker 8>and so you know, they didn't get blown off the field.

0:58:55.080 --> 0:58:57.360
<v Speaker 8>There were some things they couldn't stop from Miami's pass

0:58:57.440 --> 0:58:58.480
<v Speaker 8>rush in the first half.

0:58:58.800 --> 0:59:02.080
<v Speaker 9>But I think it can be difficult, Hugh. It's the

0:59:02.120 --> 0:59:04.880
<v Speaker 9>opposite of being a Browns fan. It is so crazy,

0:59:05.200 --> 0:59:05.760
<v Speaker 9>someone like.

0:59:05.760 --> 0:59:08.120
<v Speaker 8>You who is both an Ohio State and a Browns fan,

0:59:08.200 --> 0:59:11.360
<v Speaker 8>and it's one hundred and eighty degrees. Almost every little

0:59:11.480 --> 0:59:14.040
<v Speaker 8>morsel of success for the Browns is worth a chick

0:59:14.080 --> 0:59:17.919
<v Speaker 8>or tape parade, because you assume losing for Ohio State,

0:59:18.000 --> 0:59:23.000
<v Speaker 8>you assume victory, and then every loss is devastating. So

0:59:23.080 --> 0:59:24.960
<v Speaker 8>High State went twelve and two. The Browns are going

0:59:25.040 --> 0:59:27.360
<v Speaker 8>to win four games this year. But Ohio State fans

0:59:27.720 --> 0:59:31.760
<v Speaker 8>like you and and thousands millions of others are devastated

0:59:31.840 --> 0:59:34.720
<v Speaker 8>right now because Ohio State is so good?

0:59:34.960 --> 0:59:38.919
<v Speaker 1>What is what is your in the substact chat room,

0:59:39.440 --> 0:59:41.720
<v Speaker 1>Bill Anddougowisu dot subject dot com.

0:59:42.120 --> 0:59:44.760
<v Speaker 2>What is the general I haven't listened to a minute.

0:59:44.800 --> 0:59:47.320
<v Speaker 2>I can't bear it yet. I'll wait a while and

0:59:47.360 --> 0:59:50.160
<v Speaker 2>then I'll listen to it. But what's the general? Immediate?

0:59:50.160 --> 0:59:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Are they mad? Are they sad? Are they AnGR? What

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<v Speaker 2>is it? The fans?

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<v Speaker 9>So it's two things.

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<v Speaker 8>One is one is sort of this deficiency about there

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<v Speaker 8>in a ability to block Miami? Does it show something

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<v Speaker 8>with the offensive line, with the offensive line coaching, with

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<v Speaker 8>the offensive game planning. Was there a hole there that

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<v Speaker 8>they didn't recognize during the season And is there a

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<v Speaker 8>deficiency there that should have been figured out covered.

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<v Speaker 4>Up some other way?

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<v Speaker 8>And then the other is this and I've been writing

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<v Speaker 8>about this and talking about this at the Substact Hugh

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<v Speaker 8>that Indiana, Old Miss and Miami are three teams, and

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<v Speaker 8>Oregon to some degree. They all have a lot of

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<v Speaker 8>transfers on their teams, and we've all gotten used to

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<v Speaker 8>the transfer world in college football. Alabama, Georgia and Ohio

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<v Speaker 8>State have far fewer. They are teams that are blue

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<v Speaker 8>bloods that are built on recruiting and right now a

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<v Speaker 8>lot of Ohio State fans are asking does a team

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<v Speaker 8>like Ohio State, which recruits at a very high level,

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<v Speaker 8>need to do more getting transfers.

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<v Speaker 9>Indiana and Old Miss.

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<v Speaker 8>In Miami they had to get transfers because they didn't

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<v Speaker 8>recruit like Ohio State. But here they are. They're still

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<v Speaker 8>alive in Ohio State's not. This shifting sport is very interesting,

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<v Speaker 8>but it's making some Ohio State wonder does their strategy

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<v Speaker 8>of getting players have to change a little bit?

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<v Speaker 2>Very interesting. I will buck up.

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