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Speaker 1: It is the first Big Weekend Pod of twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: I'm back behind the microphone after moving west for a

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Speaker 1: couple of months and getting the flu and doing so

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Speaker 1: so that's why I was off the air thanks to

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Speaker 1: Kurt Schlickter, who filled in for me. The Big Weekend

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Speaker 1: Pod today is pretty much a couple of monologues by me,

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Speaker 1: Matt Continetti, Eli Lake and that's it now the monologue

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Speaker 1: You are interesting because CBS Evening News has made a

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Speaker 1: promise that I talked about in the opening monologue. Second

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Speaker 1: monologue beginning of the month, beginning of a new year,

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Speaker 1: the who I am and why am I doing this

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Speaker 1: first broadcast of the month business, And so if you're

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Speaker 1: new to this, you'll hear that, and if you don't

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Speaker 1: continenty and Eli Lake and all I can tell you

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Speaker 1: is it was a a great time being having the flu.

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Speaker 1: There's no better place to have the flu than in

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Speaker 1: California because you realize that it doesn't matter where you are,

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Speaker 1: so that's good too. I want you to make sure

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Speaker 1: that you like and subscribe to this podcast so that

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Speaker 1: you can get it sent to you Monday through Friday.

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Speaker 1: But the Big Weekend Pod purposely intended for you people

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Speaker 1: who are doing your gym routine or your exercise on

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Speaker 1: the weekend. If you're new to this, usually cover the

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Speaker 1: weekend review news. But it's the first weege of theyar

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Speaker 1: there isn't much news except in Iran, so expect the

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Speaker 1: up on the Somali land recognition, talk, a little bit

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Speaker 1: about the Minnesota fraud's story, but there really hadn't been

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Speaker 1: any news for three weeks, except the biggest story of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six might be unfolding as we speak in Iran,

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Speaker 1: where up to seven people have been murdered by the

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Speaker 1: regime as protests spread throughout the country.

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Speaker 2: This is their fourth revolution.

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Speaker 1: Their first one was in nineteen seventy nine of the

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Speaker 1: Islamic Revolution toppled the Shop. I watched it on a

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Speaker 1: former President's office in San Clementy watching then network television

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Speaker 1: of the massive demonstration that forced the shot of Flea.

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Speaker 1: In early nineteen seventy nine saw the return to Iran

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Speaker 1: of the Iatola Homini, who was the first Ayatola. They've

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Speaker 1: had for forty seven years, right, they started in nineteen

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Speaker 2: They have had two guys.

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Speaker 1: And they're both theocratic, fanatical Shia.

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Speaker 1: And it's a brutal, repressive regime, the leading exporter of

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Speaker 1: Our friends over at the Foundation for the Defensive Democracy

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Speaker 1: Mark Dubitz. Dubovitz and I would recommend that to you.

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Speaker 1: Look up Foundation for the Defensive Democracies and Iran and

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Speaker 1: century of the Islamic Revolution and the tyranny and the

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Speaker 1: oppression and the murder and the export of terrorism associated

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Speaker 1: surprise there tracked down a leading Iranian dissident in the

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Speaker 1: at my ex account. Hugh Hewett and Aviv just basically

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Speaker 1: this is organic. It's the fourth one nineteen seventy nine,

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Speaker 1: One revolution was a movement. It was a very peaceful,

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Speaker 2: The people of Iran.

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Speaker 1: So this is the first time that Iran has had

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Speaker 1: I'm looking to the President, Secretary Rubio, un Ambassador Waltz

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Speaker 1: that the real their currency is plummeted in value, and

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Speaker 1: So people have been impoverished, their life savisty have been

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Speaker 1: Then on top of that, there's just dysfunction at every

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Speaker 2: People have just had it.

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Speaker 1: So it's the fourth time in less than fifty years

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Speaker 1: Good morning, glory and even grace in America. I'm Hugh Hewitt, Welcome,

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Speaker 1: Happy New Year. This is my first broadcast of twenty

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Speaker 1: And then I got a call from KFI Radio.

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Speaker 1: Then went to work for NBC for four years and MSNBC.

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Speaker 1: So I've been before the mass I did in my years.

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Speaker 2: In big media. Then the Washington Post offered me a calm.

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Speaker 1: Then I left NBC Michel agreement. We just did not

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Speaker 2: Fox News.

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Speaker 1: I keep doing the show and we're on the Salem

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Speaker 1: I write columns twice a week for Fox News. I

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Speaker 1: I think I'm on handity tonight. I doubt that Shawn's

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Speaker 1: back from vacation. I'll bet you it's Kelly Ann normally

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Speaker 1: a Fox News contributor, but I'm a Salem guy, and

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Speaker 1: Fact base, serious fun, and I keep you up to

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to me here at first broadcast of the

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Speaker 2: new year.

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Speaker 1: For me as it is first time I've talked to

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Speaker 1: Matt Continetti of the Wall Street Journal in the American

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Speaker 1: Enterprise Institute in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: Happy new Year, Matt. I hope it's off to a

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Speaker 2: good start for you.

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Speaker 5: Happy new year, Hugh.

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Speaker 1: Let's begin with the biggest story in the world, Iran.

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Speaker 1: Not a lot of Americans know what's going on there

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Speaker 1: because it's not being covered very well by our media.

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Speaker 1: How important is this series of developments in protesting your view.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think that's important.

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Speaker 6: Iron goes through this every few years, it seems widespread

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Speaker 6: public protests, regime crackdown. I think this particular outbreak is

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Speaker 6: important for a few reasons, Hugh. The first is, after

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Speaker 6: Operation Midnight Hammer, our strike on the Iranian nuclear facilities,

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Speaker 6: the commentariat all pronounced that this would strengthen the regime,

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Speaker 6: that Iranians would rally to the regime. In fact, the

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Speaker 6: exact opposite has happened, and the Iranian people are showing

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Speaker 6: their frustration with their government, which has been unable to

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Speaker 6: provide them basic utilities such as water or energy. Of course,

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Speaker 6: inflation is out of control. Economic and political breakdown in

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Speaker 6: the months since Operation Midnight Hammer, so that's important. The

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Speaker 6: second reason it's important is there seems to be a

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Speaker 6: split within the regime, with some political elements saying that

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Speaker 6: they understand what the protesters are complaining about, that they

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Speaker 6: want to even take action to mollify them. And that

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Speaker 6: suggests that we could have a difference here between earlier

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Speaker 6: widespread protests like the Green Revolutions, say in two thousand

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Speaker 6: and nine, where the government itself begins to fracture that

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Speaker 6: could lead to regime collapse and then the third reason

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Speaker 6: why this protest is different is we have an American

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Speaker 6: president who has situated himself on the side of the protesters,

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Speaker 6: and President Trumps from remarkable post on social media this

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Speaker 6: morning where he said that America is ready to protect

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Speaker 6: the protesters if the Iranian government opens fire on them,

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Speaker 6: is a true remarkable stance for an American president to take.

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Speaker 6: It's the first time, whether these protests happened under Obama,

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Speaker 6: or they happened under Trump, or they happened under Biden,

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Speaker 6: that the American president has said that he stands alongside

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Speaker 6: the protesters. So for those three reasons, I'd say this

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Speaker 6: has the potential to be much more than a typical

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Speaker 6: flare up against the regime.

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Speaker 1: Typical flare ups, by my calculation, in nineteen seventy nine,

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Speaker 1: the Iranian Revolution, Jimmy Carter's president the late nineteen nineties

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Speaker 1: is the first attempt to throw up the regime. Bill

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Speaker 1: Clinton his president, the Green Movement in two thousand and nine,

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Speaker 1: President Obama his president, and then the young woman was

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Speaker 1: murdered in twenty twenty two in the protests there that

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Speaker 1: were ignored by.

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Speaker 2: The Biden administration.

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Speaker 1: Those four seminal moments current under democratic presidents who were

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Speaker 1: weak on national security and with an administration that was

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Speaker 1: averse to any kind of vocal support. Do you think

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Speaker 1: we'll see Secretary of Rubio and UN Ambassador Waltz in

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Speaker 1: the game talking about Iran this week.

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Speaker 6: I think I've already seen Ambassador Waltz make some statements.

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Speaker 6: I'm sure we'll see Secretary Rubio follow through. And you know,

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Speaker 6: you you bring to mind this idea of maximum pressure

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Speaker 6: that was always kind of the motto of the Trump

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Speaker 6: administration's approach to Iran. It began in the first term

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Speaker 6: where the Trump administration applied economic pressure, really squeezing the regime,

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Speaker 6: withdrew from the nuclear agreement that Obama had made, took

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Speaker 6: out Solamani, the head of the IRGC. And now we

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Speaker 6: have this second term where Trump has took out the

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Speaker 6: Ford how nuclear facility, you know, building on on Israel's

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Speaker 6: achievements in taking out other nuclear and missile production sites

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Speaker 6: during the war.

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Speaker 5: Earlier this rather last year.

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Speaker 6: Now we have additional maximum pressure, and we have Trump

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Speaker 6: on the side of the protesters. So there's a moment

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Speaker 6: of opportunity here I think where we could really score

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Speaker 6: victory for freedom. If the Iranians do take that next

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Speaker 6: step to bring down the Mullas.

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Speaker 1: Now Donald Trump has used military power against Venezuela. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure it makes sense to use any military power in.

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Speaker 2: Iran right now.

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Speaker 1: Unless it is absolute chaos and American interests and people

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Speaker 1: are threatened.

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Speaker 2: What I read in that.

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Speaker 1: Through social post this morning was the kind of vocal

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Speaker 1: focus and support that was lacking under President's Biden, Obama, Clinton,

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Speaker 1: and of course Jimmy Carter. Do you actually expect any

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Speaker 1: more than that? I mean, four and Oh was great.

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Speaker 1: Operation of Night Hammer was great, But I don't expect

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Speaker 1: anything more than that.

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Speaker 6: In the near future. Probably not. I mean, it depends

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Speaker 6: on what the regime does. Of course meant let's forget,

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Speaker 6: let's not forget. Rather that just last week when Prime

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Speaker 6: Minister net and Yah who visited Trump and mar A Lago.

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Speaker 6: What we got out of that meeting was President Trump saying, look,

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Speaker 6: if the Iranians moved to restore the nuclear program, Israel

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Speaker 6: has a green light, and America we'll take action too.

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Speaker 5: So I don't think we're done with Iran quite yet.

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Speaker 2: I hope not.

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Speaker 1: That I'm treating that in a separate category. Don't go

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Speaker 1: anywhere in America. I'm with Matt. During the break, we'll

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Speaker 1: be back on the other side talk about CBS. But

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Speaker 1: during the break, Joseph Epstein state ten, I'm back with

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Speaker 1: Matt Continey of The Wall Street Journal and Ai.

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Speaker 2: Matt.

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Speaker 1: The last book I read in twenty twenty five, and

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Speaker 1: I finished it yesterday is Joseph Epstein's twenty twenty four

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Speaker 1: memoir Never say You've had a lucky life, especially if

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Speaker 1: you've had a lucky life. Actually brilliant?

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Speaker 2: Have you read it?

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Speaker 6: Not only did I read it, I reviewed it for

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Speaker 6: The Wall Street Journal, Hugh.

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Speaker 4: Oh where I stumped you? I stumped you.

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Speaker 2: And you beat me. Tell people have.

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Speaker 1: Heard me talk about Joseph Epstein for years. Bring me

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Speaker 1: the Brain of Joseph Epstein. He has repeatedly politely turned

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Speaker 1: down the invitation to be on the program. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: like this format or whatever. But I think he is

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Speaker 1: our most brilliant essay is Is there anyone else in

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Speaker 1: his league?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 6: No, I'm certainly not living any longer. Joe is one

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Speaker 6: of the last great literary journalists, a great literary intellectual.

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Speaker 6: I've often recommended his books to young people as a

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Speaker 6: form of graduate school. I mean certainly they amount to

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Speaker 6: earning a master's even a PhD in literary and cultural history.

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Speaker 5: I own all of his books. I returned to them

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Speaker 5: again and again.

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Speaker 6: He's a brilliant, brilliant writer, whether he he's writing on

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Speaker 6: sports or culture, or movies or books. Though, I think

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Speaker 6: I like his literary biography the best when he kind

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Speaker 6: of locates an author and just writes a very long

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Speaker 6: essay talking about the author's life and work.

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Speaker 5: That those are my favorite Epstein.

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Speaker 2: I do love all that. I also have not all

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Speaker 2: of his books.

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Speaker 1: I don't have his book on divorce, for example, but

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Speaker 1: I've got probably ninety percent of them, and they're well thumbed.

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Speaker 1: How do you get that smart? Because you know, he's

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Speaker 1: very self effacing in this autobiography. He's in Little Rock, Arkansas,

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Speaker 1: to was married to his first wife, with two boys

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Speaker 1: that were not his own, end up with. There's tragedy

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Speaker 1: his life. They're sadness. There's great, they're brilliant writing. But

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Speaker 1: how do you learn all this stuff? He didn't do

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Speaker 1: any work until he was twenty five. I mean work

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Speaker 1: being educational, hard work.

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Speaker 6: Well, the University of Chicago helps. There's no doubt about that,

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Speaker 6: and the curriculum there, especially when Epstein went there, is

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Speaker 6: pretty demanding and wide ranging. It still is to I

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Speaker 6: think a large extent. And then, of course, in some

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Speaker 6: of his essays, Epstein points out other places where you

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Speaker 6: acquire culture libraries, use bookstores, and he's a haunt. He

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Speaker 6: haunts the use bookstores, going through them and picking up

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Speaker 6: volumes that he reads and learns from. And you know,

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Speaker 6: another way you acquire this learning is through time. You know,

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Speaker 6: Epstein has been at it for a long time, He's

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Speaker 6: in his ninth decade now or approaching it very soon.

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Speaker 6: And that work builds up, and that store of cultural

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Speaker 6: knowledge builds up over time to the point where, you know,

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Speaker 6: in the last ten years or so, Joe has been

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Speaker 6: writing mainly about classical authors, the Greeks and Romans, figures,

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Speaker 6: figures that you know, he didn't really pay much attention

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Speaker 6: to for most of his career, but now he's been

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Speaker 6: writing eloquently and learnedly about them as well.

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Speaker 1: I just want to warn the audience when you get

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Speaker 1: never say you've had a lucky life. Especially if you've

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Speaker 1: had a lucky life, you'll just feel so dumb, but persevere.

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Speaker 2: He'll help you out of that.

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Speaker 1: Even if you don't, even if you have to look

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Speaker 1: up things as I had to do repeatedly, don't go anywhere.

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Speaker 1: I'm coming right back with Matt Contney. We'll talk about

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Speaker 1: CBS Welcome Back America. I'm gonna deal it with Matt

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Speaker 1: Khnenny of The Wall Street Journal, Senior Fellow at the

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Speaker 1: American Enterprise Institute for Domestic Policy Study. Matt, have you

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Speaker 1: followed Did you watch the Tony Decopple video about his

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Speaker 1: promise about how he's going to approach anchoring duties at

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Speaker 1: CBS Evening News.

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Speaker 2: I did.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was a breath of fresh air.

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Speaker 6: And it's amazing that this counts as novelty in the

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Speaker 6: world of corporate media. But I'm happy that Tony gave

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Speaker 6: the message, and you know what, I think he and

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Speaker 6: CBS News are going to try hard to deliver on it.

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Speaker 1: Now the second quest, and I'll come back to Tony,

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Speaker 1: Nick Shirley and Minnesota. Do you count that as journalism?

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Speaker 5: I do? I do.

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Speaker 6: It's reporting, it's investigating, it's talking to people, it's going

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Speaker 6: to places, it's recording what you see and hear. It's

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Speaker 6: reporting your conclusions. So it is journalism. Yes, it is,

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Speaker 6: and I think it's highly influential journalism, considering that Nick

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Speaker 6: Shirley has kind of amplified this ongoing welfare fraud scandal

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Speaker 6: in Minnesota to the next level where not just conservatives

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Speaker 6: are talking about it, but Americans of all persuasions doing so.

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Speaker 1: What Nick Sureley has, I'm not sure Tony had Dacoppel

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Speaker 1: and CBS has yet. Isn't a unique experience he was.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you read up on him. He

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Speaker 1: was a missionary for the Church of Jesus Christ of

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Speaker 1: Latter day Saints in Chile for two years.

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Speaker 2: Were you aware of that?

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Speaker 5: No, it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: Well, that means you knock on thousands of doors of

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Speaker 1: strangers and sometimes they might shoot at you or set

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Speaker 1: a dog on you. Sometimes they might invite you in

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Speaker 1: to have dinner, but you do it for two years.

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Speaker 1: I always call on my LDS law students on the

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Speaker 1: first day of class becuse they're asolutely fearless if they've

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Speaker 1: been missionaries. I think a lot of that came through

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Speaker 1: and I had the echo of it in old journalm

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Speaker 1: show up and ask a question or two.

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Speaker 2: That's all it really is.

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Speaker 1: The late Michael Kelly used to say on this program,

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Speaker 1: journalism is a craft, not a profession, and I think

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Speaker 1: he was right. Now Tony Dekoppel sits a top, not

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Speaker 1: a throne of skulls, but a vast newsroom that the

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Speaker 1: pipeline of people with pre existing conditions.

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Speaker 2: When it comes to the media that feed him.

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Speaker 1: The anchors really don't often write the news, Brett, does it?

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Speaker 1: Do you think it matters who the anchor is at

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Speaker 1: a place like CBS with its legacy journalists there in

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Speaker 1: the newsroom.

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Speaker 6: Well, I do think anchors matter because they might not

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Speaker 6: do the reporting, they may not even do the writing,

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Speaker 6: but an active anchor will put his or her personality

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Speaker 6: in how they present the information, which stories they highlight,

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Speaker 6: They will change the script. We know that our friend

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Speaker 6: Brettbear takes a very active role on the CNN side.

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Speaker 5: Jake Tapper will take an active role.

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Speaker 6: You can have, of course, you know, as someone who's

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Speaker 6: not quite an anchor but a CBS personality.

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Speaker 5: Mike Wallace.

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Speaker 6: You knew what you were getting from Mike Wallace, he

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Speaker 6: had a hand in it, and from his son Chris

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Speaker 6: Wallace as well. So I do think the personality of

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Speaker 6: the anchor matters quite a bit, and that's why I

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Speaker 6: was happy to see this message from Tony Dokoupool over

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Speaker 6: the weekend.

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Speaker 1: Now, I told my sister in law yesterday at a

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Speaker 1: birthday party slash New Year's Day gathering that very wise

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Speaker 1: I've only spoken to once and only ever worked on

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Speaker 1: one thing together and end up not getting printed because

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Speaker 1: we just couldn't.

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Speaker 2: Get tough the editorial pressers together.

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Speaker 1: When she was with the journal I told her I

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Speaker 1: thought Barry Weiss was a center left journalist and.

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Speaker 2: That she should trust her. Do you agree with that

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Speaker 2: assessment center left?

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Speaker 4: I would say she's center.

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Speaker 6: She certainly has, you know, liberal instincts, but it's it's

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Speaker 6: an older liberalism than what we think of when we

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Speaker 6: hear the word today. I mean, she believes in equality,

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Speaker 6: she believes in freedom, she believes in merit, she believes

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Speaker 6: in America's alliance with the state of Israel.

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Speaker 5: All of those values.

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Speaker 6: Were part of the liberal side for many decades on

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Speaker 6: the American left.

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Speaker 5: They are less so today.

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Speaker 6: So she, you know, she may distance herself from some

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Speaker 6: aspects of conservatism, certainly trump Ism, and that definitely puts

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Speaker 6: her on the center.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if it quite puts her on the

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Speaker 5: center left.

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Speaker 1: Well, I've always used the baseball analogy when it comes

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Speaker 1: to newspeople. They play center field, they play right field

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Speaker 1: like I do, or they play left field in the

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Speaker 1: way that for example, New York actually New York Times

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Speaker 1: in the left field bleachers, that the Washington.

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Speaker 5: Out of the stadium.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ruth Marcus, all right, Ruth Marcus is a classic

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Speaker 1: left center left person. And there are a bunch of

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Speaker 1: them out there, and they're fair minded, and they know

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Speaker 1: what they're talking about, and they know the other side.

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Speaker 1: We may not agree, but you're going to get fairness

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Speaker 1: out of them. What worries me is that I looked

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Speaker 1: up the numbers. CBS is way behind ABC World News

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Speaker 1: seven point one nine million in October, NBC Nightly News

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Speaker 1: five point sixty three million in October, CBS three point

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Speaker 1: five to five million in October. How long will it

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Speaker 1: take to actually regain trust of the sort? I told

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Speaker 1: Elia like this in the last segment, when I was

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Speaker 1: twenty one, about to begin my last year in college.

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Speaker 1: Six guys in the summer, after he played golf, went

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Speaker 1: to the Indians game or.

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Speaker 2: Screwed around whatever.

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Speaker 1: We'd always watch sixty minutes same six guys drinking beers

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Speaker 1: and watching that's gone.

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Speaker 2: That demo's gone. Now, how in the world do you

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Speaker 2: get it back? Map?

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Speaker 6: Oh, I think that's the big question, you know. I

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Speaker 6: think it attaches to individuals more than more than to networks, say,

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Speaker 6: or The way to build a great network is to

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Speaker 6: have a stable of individual anchors and reporters that audiences

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Speaker 6: trust and want to watch, want a key into. And

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Speaker 6: so I think that's why this appointment of the new

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Speaker 6: anchor and the messages he's sending is a good sign.

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Speaker 6: We want to see what happens next with Barry Weiss

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Speaker 6: her hires, you know, can she come up with individuals

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Speaker 6: that audiences really respond to, because you know, I think

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Speaker 6: the Nick Shirley example is very important in this In

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Speaker 6: this context too, is that here you have one person,

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Speaker 6: he's got maybe some friends holding the camera, you know,

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Speaker 6: driving him around different places. Is a very small light unit,

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Speaker 6: and yet he had a major effect on his reporting.

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Speaker 6: It's a lesson that we took to when we were

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Speaker 6: founding the Washington Free Beacon, and that Eleanna Johnson still

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Speaker 6: applies with the journalism of the Washington Free Beacon. Is

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Speaker 6: that with just a few people asking the right questions

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Speaker 6: and looking in places where others aren't looking. You can

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Speaker 6: have a major impact on events in politics and society.

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Speaker 6: So it's a question of finding the right people. And

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Speaker 6: if there's one thing I know about Barry Weiss, having

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Speaker 6: worked for her for a little bit last year, she

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Speaker 6: knows people and she's a great talent spotter.

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Speaker 2: We all said that's what they need.

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Speaker 1: Matt Continetti, follow him on Extra Continenty, read him in

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Speaker 1: the Journal, read him at AAI, and here are most

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Speaker 1: fridays right here on the Uhwit Show.

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Speaker 2: Don't go anywhere, America. I'll be right back. Welcome back

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Speaker 2: in America. I'm Hugh Hewett.

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Speaker 1: Eli Lake as the host of the Breaking History podcast.

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Speaker 1: He's a contributor to the Free Press, frequently heard on

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Speaker 1: Commentaries podcast as well. And we caught Eli unaware, so

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Speaker 1: we've got a T shirt on is he's still celebrating.

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Speaker 2: My holidays are over, Eli, The hollidays are over.

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Speaker 7: You know, I filed a very good column on Iran,

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Speaker 7: by the way, I just didn't realize that was going

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Speaker 7: to be on air.

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Speaker 1: Well, I want to talk to you about Iran, but

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Speaker 1: before that, I want to talk to you about CBS

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Speaker 1: Evening News and Tony de Kopple's thing yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Did you watch his video yesterday?

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Speaker 7: I saw the message about how the CBS is now

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Speaker 7: going to be trying to cover more stories that are

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Speaker 7: relevant to all of America, and I applauded one hundred percent.

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Speaker 7: I think he's he's going to do great.

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Speaker 4: So do I.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I've been in the news business since nineteen ninety, so

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Speaker 1: I'm an old guy, and I've been doing this forever

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Speaker 1: on radio and television for network and for PBS and

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Speaker 1: for NBC and Fox, and on the radio for forever.

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Speaker 1: You've been in the print business for a long time.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, since the mid nineties.

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Speaker 1: All right, so we're roughly we are contemporaries. I'm older

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Speaker 1: than you are. What do you think went wrong with

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Speaker 1: television news specifically?

874
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Speaker 2: I just gave my opinions. I'm wondering what yours are.

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Speaker 7: I think with elite like sort of the mainstream the

876
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Speaker 7: top television news we're talking about, you know, CBS, like

877
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 7: sixty minutes New York, but also the New York Times

878
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 7: and things like that, I think it really happened. There

879
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 7: was always a bit of a liberal bias, but there

880
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,479
Speaker 7: was also a commitment to the editorial process. I think

881
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 7: after Trump wins in twenty sixteen, the elite sense makers

882
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Speaker 7: in the news business, and I mean television news as well,

883
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 7: kind of became part of like a big bord like

884
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Speaker 7: structure that we might call like resistance. And once you

885
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 7: become a kind of political it's very difficult to then

886
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 7: also be the chronicler of our times, the newsperson. I

887
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 7: just wrote a review of a new documentary on Seemur Hirsh,

888
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Speaker 7: and I think that's kind of what happened to sy Hirsch.

889
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 7: Sy Hirsch began breaking really important and big stories about

890
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Speaker 7: the overreach and abuses of our national security state, but

891
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Speaker 7: over time he also became a kind of advocate.

892
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Speaker 2: And I think something like that.

893
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Speaker 7: Happened in places like CBS News and ABC News and

894
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 7: so forth, which is that once you sort of stop

895
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Speaker 7: doing the process and trying to get fair comment and

896
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Speaker 7: trying to sort of say we're going to do stories

897
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Speaker 7: that are relevant to our readers, then at that point

898
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Speaker 7: on our viewers, and at that point it becomes more

899
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Speaker 7: a part of advocacy and less a.

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Speaker 2: Part of journalism.

901
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Speaker 1: I think that's pretty much what I believe agenda driven

902
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: journalism isn't journalism. It is an agenda being driven by

903
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Speaker 1: the vehicles that used to be journalism. Now, when I

904
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Speaker 1: say journalism, you mentioned sixteen minutes. I was a sixteen

905
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Speaker 1: minutes addict. I just think it broke when it came

906
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Speaker 1: to quality and quantity. It just didn't deliver the goods.

907
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: And there are a lot of options now on Sunday night.

908
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Speaker 1: I began the program by saying, when I was twenty one,

909
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Speaker 1: and you know, the summer between my junior and junior

910
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: year in college, a half dozen guys would get together

911
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: on Sunday night to watch sixty minutes and have a

912
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Speaker 1: couple of beers because football is over, and you know,

913
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Speaker 1: we were young men. That demo's gone now from television,

914
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Speaker 1: isn't it.

915
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Speaker 7: I mean, it's a totally different media world right now,

916
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 7: and everybody can kind of all heart their menu of

917
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Speaker 7: what they want to watch. So the idea that everyone's

918
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Speaker 7: gathering in a dorm room to watch a presidential debate

919
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 7: or sixty minutes or something like that, I mean those

920
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 7: days are over. I think that we have that semi

921
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Speaker 7: sort of version of that experience on social media when

922
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Speaker 7: we talk about big news events, but it's not the

923
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Speaker 7: same as it used to be, where we were sort

924
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Speaker 7: of all watching it together at the same time, which which.

925
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Speaker 2: Brings me to the test case.

926
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Speaker 1: The buest news event in the world right now is

927
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Speaker 1: Iran by I have magnitude of ten, maybe one hundred,

928
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Speaker 1: Bigger than Minnesota fraud, bigger than what they're doing at CBS.

929
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Speaker 1: It's their fourth revolution, the original seventy nine revolution, the

930
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Speaker 1: nineteen nineties, late nineteen nineties, then we had the Green Movement,

931
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Speaker 1: and then we had twenty twenty two. Unfortunately for the

932
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Speaker 1: Iranian people, weak democratic presidents and administrations were in power,

933
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Speaker 1: and each of those four moments. This time is different,

934
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Speaker 1: and all I want the American government to do is

935
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Speaker 1: pay attention and publicize what's going. I don't want intervention,

936
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Speaker 1: I don't want military action. I want a lot of

937
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Speaker 1: focus and condemnation on violence. Do you think we'll get

938
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Speaker 1: it right this time?

939
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Speaker 7: Biggest crossed. I think that Trump's truth social post. He

940
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Speaker 7: has a flare for the language, and it evokes potential,

941
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Speaker 7: like Americas will come to their rescue, we are locked

942
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Speaker 7: and loaded. That evokes military, but it doesn't explicitly say military.

943
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Speaker 7: I don't think think there is really a military option

944
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Speaker 7: right now, as much as I want to see the

945
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Speaker 7: Iranian people succeed, but there are lots of things and

946
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Speaker 7: I just did a ton of reporting on this, and

947
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Speaker 7: you're catching me at the right time. There are a

948
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Speaker 7: lot of things that we can do. We can do

949
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Speaker 7: cyber things where we helped blind the security services against

950
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Speaker 7: the demonstrators. We can publicize you're absolutely right, people who

951
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Speaker 7: have been abducted and things like that. We can publicize

952
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 7: the names of people who shoot others, and we've already

953
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Speaker 7: started to see that among the Iranians themselves. And what

954
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Speaker 7: I would say, and what surprised me is I've been

955
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Speaker 7: reporting the story, Hugh, is that the State Department under

956
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Speaker 7: Marco Rubio has been there already. So you can find

957
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Speaker 7: statements from Marco Rubio from before when these protests started

958
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 7: December twelfth, saying, yeah, we're really concerned about how the

959
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Speaker 7: regime treats its own people. You can also find if

960
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Speaker 7: you look at the rate at the Far Sea account

961
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Speaker 7: of the State Department, really specific posts for the last

962
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Speaker 7: six months about demonstrations that didn't get in much attention

963
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Speaker 7: individual activists. I spoke to people who are in the

964
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Speaker 7: US government who are kind of anonymous sources saying that

965
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Speaker 7: they have been tracking at a very high level of

966
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Speaker 7: detail the people who are emerging as a kind of

967
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Speaker 7: you know, leaders of a leader list movement that's very

968
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 7: desperate right now. So I think there's a lot that

969
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 7: can be done, and American people can show solidarity. You

970
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 7: can raise money and figure out ways to raise money

971
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Speaker 7: for secure communications, things that Elon Muskin do in terms

972
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Speaker 7: of starlink, and try to make it so that Iranian

973
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 7: cell phones can connect without a base station, which are

974
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Speaker 7: you going to get you in a lot of trouble

975
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 7: with the security services right now. And finally, like raising

976
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Speaker 7: money for things like a strike fund. We're not seeing

977
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 7: a general strike, which is what preceded the nineteen seventy

978
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 7: nine revolution. But I think the fact that this one

979
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 7: started with the merchant class, by the way the merchant

980
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 7: class started the original nineteen oh five Constitutional Revolution, the

981
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 7: merchant class a huge part of the reason why the

982
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 7: Homini seventy nine revolution. The fact that it started with

983
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 7: the merchant class this time around is very significant.

984
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Speaker 2: So I'm you know, I don't want to make.

985
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 7: Any predictions, but the Iranian people continue to tell us

986
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 7: loud and clear they do not want to be ruled

987
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 7: by the mullas.

988
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: So Eli Javi Reddy Gur made all of American media

989
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: to this story. He had an hour long conversation with

990
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: the Iranian diition. It was great Roya Hakami on this

991
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: morning and I listened to it and I.

992
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,919
Speaker 2: Say, where are people? Do you think?

993
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: This is a test for CBS Evening News and a

994
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: test for every network to cover this because there are

995
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: a lot of diaspra Iranians out there who speak very

996
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: well at length about I didn't realize how broken Iran is.

997
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: The reservoirs are dry, the electricity of intermittent. Where do

998
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: we go to get more stuff?

999
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 7: All right, well, you're gonna get me in trouble with

1000
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 7: my boss and my dear friend Barry wife. So I

1001
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 7: don't want to, but I will say this. I mean,

1002
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 7: I have not had any conversations obviously with her. I'm

1003
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 7: on the free press side, but I would imagine that

1004
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 7: this is going to be a story.

1005
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: Hopefully the CBS News.

1006
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 7: Is going to cover, and frankly it's be some of

1007
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 7: the CNN covers. Everybody should be covering. This is the

1008
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 7: biggest story in the world right now. I one hundred

1009
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 7: percent agree the implications. If you think about it, We've

1010
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,919
Speaker 7: got two kind of moves that Trump's doing right now.

1011
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 7: He is expressing solidarity one hundred percent with the Iranian

1012
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 7: people in Iran, there are domino effects in the Middle East,

1013
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 7: and then Venezuela. Keep your eye on Venezuela. If that,

1014
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 7: if the Madora regime goes down, I think Cube is

1015
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 7: in a lot of trouble too.

1016
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: Eli Lake, follow him on an x at Eli Lake,

1017
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: read him in the pre Press, and do not miss

1018
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: an episode of Breaking History. I'll be right back in

1019
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: America at the podcast at ELI producers.

1020
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 2: Stay tuned. Welcome back to Myica.

1021
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: I'm Hugh hewittt Douglne Marie is one of the hosts

1022
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 1: of The Bill and Doug Show, which you can always

1023
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,720
Speaker 1: get everything on it at Billandugoisue dot substack dot com

1024
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: and the free podcast at the Bill and Doug Show.

1025
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: They are experts in Ohio State and Big two in

1026
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 1: college football. I think it's the best college football show

1027
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: in America.

1028
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 2: Doug.

1029
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: Since New Year's Eve, with about a minute and a

1030
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: half left in the game, I have felt awful, and

1031
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: it's because I don't know these kids.

1032
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 2: I ain't call them kids. They're young men nineteen to

1033
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 2: twenty two.

1034
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: But I like Sunny Styles and tegra and Carnel Tait

1035
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: and Jeremiah Smith and Julian San And I think Ryan

1036
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: Day is good and I like Brian Hartline.

1037
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 2: I don't know them, though, but I feel awful for them.

1038
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 2: You know them, so you must feel really crappy.

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Speaker 8: Well, you know, I've been interacting with a lot of

1040
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 8: fans since then. I kind of feel worse for the

1041
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 8: fans because they take this to heart. I will say

1042
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,479
Speaker 8: it is a little mitigated, Hugh. They won the national

1043
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 8: title a year ago. Yes, So those guys that you're

1044
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 8: talking about there, they still have rings, they still have memories,

1045
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 8: they still have felt the confetti fall on their heads.

1046
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 8: They were trying to accomplish something that had never been

1047
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 8: done in Ohio state history, which is go back to

1048
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 8: back as national champions, and they had talked about that,

1049
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,760
Speaker 8: Ryan Day said going in to the game against Miami.

1050
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 8: You know that'd been on their minds for ten months.

1051
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 8: So there was an opportunity there. Especially when you go

1052
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 8: through the regular season twelve and oho and you beat

1053
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 8: Michigan and you're number one in the country. There is

1054
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 8: an opportunity to make history, to go down as potentially

1055
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 8: the greatest team ever at one of the greatest programs ever.

1056
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 8: So that is very difficult. It reminds me a little

1057
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Speaker 8: bit here to like twenty thirteen. The build up the

1058
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 8: highest State was it was twelve to oh and twenty

1059
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 8: thirteen lost in the Big Ten championship game in Michigan.

1060
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 8: State lost their bowl game to Clemson, and it's that

1061
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 8: they were so good along the way and you started

1062
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:40,479
Speaker 8: thinking historic things that made it worse when they fell

1063
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 8: short at the end.

1064
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Speaker 1: So, Doug, how do you cover this in the aftermath?

1065
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 1: Obviously you got to cover the playoffs, and we'll talk

1066
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: about that next Friday, But how do you talk to

1067
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 1: say a Sunny Styles who's a graduating senior or Carnell

1068
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: taking away hope ends up wearing a Browns uniform next year.

1069
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Speaker 1: Do they make themselves available or are they basically grieving

1070
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: away from people?

1071
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 2: And this goes for Ryan Day and the coaching staff

1072
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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's they do make themselves available.

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Speaker 8: They bring three people into the postgame news conference that

1075
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Speaker 8: was Caleb Downs and Julian say And as players, and

1076
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Speaker 8: Ryan Day's a head coach that wasn't super long. They

1077
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Speaker 8: had interviews on the side with some other players, Sonny

1078
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 8: Styles who seemed very composed, Carson Hinzman, Kaden Curry, and

1079
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Speaker 8: the locker room was open, so my partner Bill Landis

1080
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Speaker 8: was in there talking to some people. So, like, you

1081
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 8: do have to face the music to some degree, right,

1082
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 8: That's kind of part of it. And I think that's

1083
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 8: okay in sports when you're celebrated in victory, I think

1084
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 8: it's okay to answer questions in defeat. You know, it

1085
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 8: was interesting. Some people have brought up, some of our

1086
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Speaker 8: Ohio State fans who follow us have brought up the

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Speaker 8: idea that, like you, like Kirby Smart stuffered a really

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Speaker 8: tough loss George against Old Miss last night, and like

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Speaker 8: Kirby Smart after the game was kind of like not bubbly,

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Speaker 8: but it was just like, you know, hey, that's a

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Speaker 8: great game, and like what are you gonna do? And

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Speaker 8: like Ohio State, they really took it hard. So I

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Speaker 8: do think it's interesting. I think you can set the

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Speaker 8: tone for your fan base and sort of how you

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Speaker 8: deal with the loss. At Ohio State, they took it hard,

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Speaker 8: you know, I mean, everybody loses sometimes, and.

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Speaker 9: They're the defending national champs.

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Speaker 8: But they did take this thing hard, I think because

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Speaker 8: they know there was something there that fell just outside

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Speaker 8: their grasp.

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Speaker 1: Well put, these seniors do out a national championship, and

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Speaker 1: they did beat the team up north in twenty twenty five. Yep,

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Speaker 1: and they are all coming back except for well, there's

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Speaker 1: some big name you mentioned Caleb Downs and Sunny Style.

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Speaker 1: They're not coming back. Colonel Tate's not coming back. But

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Speaker 1: Ryan Day strikes me as a pretty emotional guy that

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Speaker 1: he keeps it bottled up, and like Urban Meyer and

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Speaker 1: maybe not Jim Trussels so much is he more emotional

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Speaker 1: than the other head coaches in college football.

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Speaker 8: He takes losses heart, and I think he did. Urban

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Speaker 8: took law is hard, right, and it's interesting to me.

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Speaker 8: I want to write about this. I want to talk

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Speaker 8: about this with our audience. Can they set its hon

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Speaker 8: because Ohio State fans take a loss hard, because I

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00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 8: think the standard at Ohio State is higher than anywhere

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Speaker 8: else in the country, and there's a lot.

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Speaker 9: Of great things that come with that.

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Speaker 8: Holding yourself to a high standard everyone around due to

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Speaker 8: a high standard, you know, sets up opportunities for success.

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Speaker 8: And they have been the most consistently successful college football

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Speaker 8: program since what he has got here in nineteen fifty one.

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Speaker 8: So that's what they are, and so in some way,

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Speaker 8: no loss is ever acceptable. But you know, Miami's good,

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Speaker 8: and it was a tough matchup, and you know, there

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Speaker 8: was an interception return for a touchdown that flipped the game,

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Speaker 8: and Ohio State missed a field goal that might have helped,

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Speaker 8: and so you know, they didn't get blown off the field.

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Speaker 8: There were some things they couldn't stop from Miami's pass

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Speaker 8: rush in the first half.

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Speaker 9: But I think it can be difficult, Hugh. It's the

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Speaker 9: opposite of being a Browns fan. It is so crazy,

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Speaker 9: someone like.

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Speaker 8: You who is both an Ohio State and a Browns fan,

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00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 8: and it's one hundred and eighty degrees. Almost every little

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00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 8: morsel of success for the Browns is worth a chick

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00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,919
Speaker 8: or tape parade, because you assume losing for Ohio State,

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00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 8: you assume victory, and then every loss is devastating. So

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00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 8: High State went twelve and two. The Browns are going

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00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 8: to win four games this year. But Ohio State fans

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00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 8: like you and and thousands millions of others are devastated

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00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 8: right now because Ohio State is so good?

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Speaker 1: What is what is your in the substact chat room,

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Speaker 1: Bill Anddougowisu dot subject dot com.

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Speaker 2: What is the general I haven't listened to a minute.

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Speaker 2: I can't bear it yet. I'll wait a while and

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00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 2: then I'll listen to it. But what's the general? Immediate?

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Speaker 2: Are they mad? Are they sad? Are they AnGR? What

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00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 2: is it? The fans?

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Speaker 9: So it's two things.

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Speaker 8: One is one is sort of this deficiency about there

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00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 8: in a ability to block Miami? Does it show something

1152
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Speaker 8: with the offensive line, with the offensive line coaching, with

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01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 8: the offensive game planning. Was there a hole there that

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Speaker 8: they didn't recognize during the season And is there a

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Speaker 8: deficiency there that should have been figured out covered.

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Speaker 4: Up some other way?

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Speaker 8: And then the other is this and I've been writing

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Speaker 8: about this and talking about this at the Substact Hugh

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Speaker 8: that Indiana, Old Miss and Miami are three teams, and

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Speaker 8: Oregon to some degree. They all have a lot of

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Speaker 8: transfers on their teams, and we've all gotten used to

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Speaker 8: the transfer world in college football. Alabama, Georgia and Ohio

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Speaker 8: State have far fewer. They are teams that are blue

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Speaker 8: bloods that are built on recruiting and right now a

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Speaker 8: lot of Ohio State fans are asking does a team

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Speaker 8: like Ohio State, which recruits at a very high level,

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Speaker 8: need to do more getting transfers.

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Speaker 9: Indiana and Old Miss.

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Speaker 8: In Miami they had to get transfers because they didn't

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Speaker 8: recruit like Ohio State. But here they are. They're still

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Speaker 8: alive in Ohio State's not. This shifting sport is very interesting,

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Speaker 8: but it's making some Ohio State wonder does their strategy

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01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 8: of getting players have to change a little bit?

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Speaker 2: Very interesting. I will buck up.

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Speaker 1: I will listen to every minute of every Bill and

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Speaker 1: Doug show that's been done since the loss over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: I look forward to doing the Friday Football Forecast a

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Speaker 1: week from today.

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