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Speaker 3: Johnny, if you're watching right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Which you are, but I'm speaking to the other

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Speaker 1: There's a lot going on in here.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot. It's chaos. And then we're going to

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Speaker 3: I've spent about two weeks going through 20 years, yeah.

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Speaker 2: This is some.

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Speaker 2: Some of it's probably Scarlet Thread related.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of Scarlet Thread.

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Speaker 2: Which is John and I's.

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Speaker 2: Old band.

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't it be great if we could take an old

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Speaker 2: But it's fine. It's okay. It's okay, John. Nobody cares.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? Because we're trying to be

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Speaker 2: This is just how I lean, John.

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Speaker 2: How do you want?

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Speaker 3: No, I went through– I'm not saying I'm a hoarder,

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Speaker 3: You can't see this off– I do hoard books probably.

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Speaker 2: You can't see this– People do that just to look smart.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's the whole thing. It's all about the looking smart,

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Speaker 3: because I know I'm not.

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Speaker 2: Smart people say that, hoping that you'll be like, oh,

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Speaker 3: That is very true.

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Speaker 4: I am.

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Speaker 1: I really don't think that I think I know less.

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Speaker 1: It's legitimate.

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Speaker 2: No, I agree.

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Speaker 3: Legitimate humiliation. It's not like, oh, I'm trying to be humble.

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Speaker 2: Didn't Einstein say that? He said, the older I get

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Speaker 1: Since the older I'm getting, the less I know. I

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Speaker 2: Didn't he have one of the biggest brains? Because they

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Speaker 3: That was his hair.

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Speaker 2: You think it was a lot of filler? It's kind

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Speaker 3: I shape it like a topiary. We certainly hide behind

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Speaker 2: want to look? What is it? What is it? Do

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Speaker 2: you want to look younger and fat? Or older and better?

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Speaker 2: Because basically when you grow a beard and it starts

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Speaker 3: It's a curse. I choose older.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Why would you fight it?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: We're getting older. It's okay. But anyway, I have floor-to-ceiling bookshelves.

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Speaker 1: And they're not all put together, which is why I

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Speaker 2: Are you really going to make me do this?

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Speaker 1: And that barely, that one that's up there, it took

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Speaker 1: I say floor to ceiling, Johnny is touching the ceiling.

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Speaker 2: Did you measure to get those? I did.

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Speaker 3: I knew they'd be right on it, and they are. Wow.

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Speaker 3: And I was right.

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Speaker 1: And then I will put the old couch back in,

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Speaker 1: which is where Johnny used to sit, and he complained

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Speaker 2: I didn't know how good I had it, you guys.

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Speaker 3: And then behind me here, I want to cover this

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Speaker 2: I don't know about that. I think it's going to

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Speaker 3: Well, I know that.

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Speaker 2: There's other places to put your photos.

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Speaker 1: What we're learning, guys, is that Johnny doesn't care about

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 3: The other however many hours in the week there are

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: He just wants it to be his own personal podcasting studio.

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Speaker 3: And it is, basically.

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Speaker 1: He just rolls in here off the road, comes in

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Speaker 1: here highfalutin. I mean, just throwing money around at everybody.

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Speaker 1: Where falutin came from.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Is there such a thing as lowfalutin?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no nofalutin. There's no, you can't be, yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's a million of those.

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Speaker 3: Did you know that the Sunday?

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Speaker 2: There's no disheveled, you can't be sheveled.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 1: Did you know that the Sunday after Easter, you know

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Speaker 1: what is commonly known?

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Speaker 3: After? After Easter, Sunday after Easter.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 2: Low Sunday.

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Speaker 3: Low Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Low Sunday. I wonder if it's called that because all

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Speaker 2: the people that came on Easter now don't come back

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Speaker 2: a low mark attendance-wise.

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Speaker 1: Well, in the church calendar, it has to do with

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Speaker 1: that's the doubting Thomas after Jesus' resurrection.

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Speaker 2: Oh, okay.

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Speaker 3: Now people are struggling with the realities of the resurrection.

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Speaker 2: So it's not.

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Speaker 3: Called that in the technical terms, but most liturgical.

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Speaker 1: she sees this as real in my life.

455
00:17:53,002 --> 00:17:53,562
Speaker 4: Right. Right.

456
00:17:53,922 --> 00:17:55,622
Speaker 1: And whether she sees it or not, that I'm doing

457
00:17:55,661 --> 00:17:58,181
Speaker 1: that because she'll eventually see it, whether I'm showing it

458
00:17:58,222 --> 00:17:58,482
Speaker 1: or not.

459
00:17:58,601 --> 00:18:01,442
Speaker 2: You're a human being, not a human doing. You want that?

460
00:18:01,542 --> 00:18:04,601
Speaker 2: You need to just be, John. And also ease up

461
00:18:04,681 --> 00:18:06,502
Speaker 2: on all the sermon illustrations.

462
00:18:06,542 --> 00:18:06,821
Speaker 1: I know.

463
00:18:06,922 --> 00:18:09,002
Speaker 2: Like, don't just like if you see a pine cone,

464
00:18:09,061 --> 00:18:09,622
Speaker 2: just let it be.

465
00:18:09,581 --> 00:18:10,681
Speaker 3: A pine cone sometimes.

466
00:18:10,722 --> 00:18:13,121
Speaker 2: Don't go, you know, this is just like our lives.

467
00:18:13,141 --> 00:18:13,442
Speaker 4: Come on, guys.

468
00:18:13,482 --> 00:18:14,182
Speaker 2: Sadie, come over.

469
00:18:14,652 --> 00:18:15,782
Speaker 3: Look, let's build a campfire.

470
00:18:17,272 --> 00:18:18,682
Speaker 1: I feel like right now, because of the new shot,

471
00:18:18,702 --> 00:18:20,362
Speaker 1: that I could look into the camera a lot. Like

472
00:18:20,442 --> 00:18:23,312
Speaker 1: after we deliver a line, I look over there like, hey,

473
00:18:23,962 --> 00:18:28,542
Speaker 1: isn't that right? You're staring right now. Actually, this is

474
00:18:28,742 --> 00:18:30,922
Speaker 1: going to lead to my segment today. Oh, okay. And

475
00:18:30,942 --> 00:18:33,462
Speaker 1: it's going to tell some other stories. We're already on

476
00:18:34,042 --> 00:18:35,322
Speaker 1: this topic a little bit, so I think this will

477
00:18:35,342 --> 00:18:37,621
Speaker 1: be great. But this is a little segment that I

478
00:18:37,661 --> 00:18:56,682
Speaker 1: call They Talked About That. This is attributed to Joseph Campbell.

479
00:18:56,702 --> 00:19:00,142
Speaker 1: We can just say he said it if you want.

480
00:19:01,042 --> 00:19:02,442
Speaker 3: If people go look it up, I don't know. It's

481
00:19:02,462 --> 00:19:03,071
Speaker 3: really important to me.

482
00:19:03,112 --> 00:19:03,992
Speaker 2: Who was Joseph Campbell?

483
00:19:04,792 --> 00:19:07,032
Speaker 3: Joseph Campbell, I believe, was a philosopher.

484
00:19:08,512 --> 00:19:10,311
Speaker 2: That's kind of a plain name for a philosopher.

485
00:19:10,792 --> 00:19:11,272
Speaker 1: Yeah.

486
00:19:11,612 --> 00:19:14,702
Speaker 3: Here, let's get as exact. Joseph Campbell... Sorry, I knew this,

487
00:19:14,732 --> 00:19:15,842
Speaker 3: but you asked me to put you on the spot.

488
00:19:15,862 --> 00:19:16,782
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I didn't mean to.

489
00:19:16,862 --> 00:19:18,762
Speaker 3: American writer, professor of literature.

490
00:19:18,782 --> 00:19:19,841
Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah.

491
00:19:20,442 --> 00:19:23,682
Speaker 1: So comparative mythology and comparative religion studies.

492
00:19:24,722 --> 00:19:24,922
Speaker 3: Okay.

493
00:19:26,022 --> 00:19:29,802
Speaker 1: So Joseph Campbell said, or is attributed, possibly said, that

494
00:19:29,862 --> 00:19:32,581
Speaker 1: if the path before you is clear, you're probably on

495
00:19:32,641 --> 00:19:33,222
Speaker 1: someone else's.

496
00:19:33,962 --> 00:19:34,302
Speaker 4: Oh, wow.

497
00:19:34,762 --> 00:19:34,962
Speaker 3: Yeah.

498
00:19:35,462 --> 00:19:36,061
Speaker 2: That's something.

499
00:19:36,351 --> 00:19:37,752
Speaker 3: If the path before you is clear, you're probably on

500
00:19:37,792 --> 00:19:40,011
Speaker 3: someone else's. I told you at lunch today, dude.

501
00:19:42,592 --> 00:19:46,612
Speaker 1: Cleaning out this office has been really, there's been some

502
00:19:46,632 --> 00:19:49,552
Speaker 1: things that happened that have taken me off guard emotionally.

503
00:19:49,692 --> 00:19:49,912
Speaker 2: Yeah.

504
00:19:49,952 --> 00:19:52,742
Speaker 1: I got real sad for a while going through stuff

505
00:19:52,782 --> 00:19:54,222
Speaker 1: and then going through happy things.

506
00:19:54,402 --> 00:19:55,082
Speaker 3: Like I got sad.

507
00:19:56,302 --> 00:20:00,422
Speaker 1: Um, then like just number of letters from kids and

508
00:20:00,482 --> 00:20:01,762
Speaker 1: people over the years.

509
00:20:01,561 --> 00:20:03,861
Speaker 2: That you hadn't answered. You're like, I should have really

510
00:20:03,942 --> 00:20:06,282
Speaker 2: responded to this guy. I hope they're okay.

511
00:20:09,012 --> 00:20:13,692
Speaker 1: Um, or the, like the number of, the photos, like

512
00:20:13,732 --> 00:20:15,552
Speaker 1: I found so many photos that I scanned in with

513
00:20:15,601 --> 00:20:17,722
Speaker 1: my phone or whatever. Now I can throw those away

514
00:20:17,782 --> 00:20:18,902
Speaker 1: or not lose them.

515
00:20:18,922 --> 00:20:20,661
Speaker 3: Like filing things away. But I went always all the

516
00:20:20,681 --> 00:20:21,861
Speaker 3: way back to the first church.

517
00:20:22,222 --> 00:20:22,402
Speaker 4: No.

518
00:20:22,462 --> 00:20:24,192
Speaker 2: Well, the first church I was a youth pastor at

519
00:20:24,212 --> 00:20:25,432
Speaker 2: that you and I were youth leaders at.

520
00:20:25,452 --> 00:20:25,632
Speaker 4: Yeah.

521
00:20:25,831 --> 00:20:28,271
Speaker 3: I had stuff from there still do. Like, you know,

522
00:20:28,782 --> 00:20:30,282
Speaker 3: what we did, where we went.

523
00:20:30,302 --> 00:20:33,502
Speaker 1: And so the memories have been kind of, I think

524
00:20:33,722 --> 00:20:35,002
Speaker 1: to say heavy is not really right.

525
00:20:35,022 --> 00:20:37,482
Speaker 3: They're just, there's just a lot of them to sort.

526
00:20:38,002 --> 00:20:38,821
Speaker 3: And I'm here by myself.

527
00:20:39,641 --> 00:20:39,861
Speaker 2: Right.

528
00:20:39,882 --> 00:20:42,261
Speaker 1: So if you're, if you're Enneagram six, like you have

529
00:20:42,282 --> 00:20:44,762
Speaker 1: an inner committee and you need someone from the outside

530
00:20:44,802 --> 00:20:46,962
Speaker 1: committee to really help you. And so I haven't had

531
00:20:47,072 --> 00:20:50,312
Speaker 1: anybody here to be like, hey, do this with that

532
00:20:50,371 --> 00:20:51,532
Speaker 1: or throw that away or keep that.

533
00:20:51,572 --> 00:20:53,932
Speaker 3: That's still important. You know, so I'm kind of working

534
00:20:53,952 --> 00:20:55,032
Speaker 3: through a little bit of my own.

535
00:20:55,252 --> 00:20:57,091
Speaker 2: I want to say that I'm sorry that I wasn't

536
00:20:57,112 --> 00:20:59,092
Speaker 2: here for you. And also, I'm so glad that I

537
00:20:59,092 --> 00:21:02,282
Speaker 2: wasn't here for you because like I can't imagine being like,

538
00:21:02,641 --> 00:21:03,892
Speaker 2: should I? Could I?

539
00:21:04,702 --> 00:21:05,742
Speaker 3: Because you're too much like me.

540
00:21:06,081 --> 00:21:06,262
Speaker 4: Yeah.

541
00:21:06,402 --> 00:21:07,341
Speaker 3: I need a decisive person.

542
00:21:07,362 --> 00:21:09,342
Speaker 2: I need a third. We need a third person in

543
00:21:09,362 --> 00:21:09,842
Speaker 2: the committee.

544
00:21:10,121 --> 00:21:12,712
Speaker 1: I need my wife probably, but she's working. A real

545
00:21:12,752 --> 00:21:15,282
Speaker 1: job so that I can do this podcast.

546
00:21:15,322 --> 00:21:17,602
Speaker 2: Well, we talked a little bit about that to go

547
00:21:17,902 --> 00:21:20,302
Speaker 2: not in the weeds of politics, but the idea of

548
00:21:20,442 --> 00:21:25,502
Speaker 2: what happened in the pandemic to people's going down rabbit

549
00:21:25,522 --> 00:21:29,772
Speaker 2: holes and getting into conspiracy theories and it became so prevalent.

550
00:21:29,891 --> 00:21:32,032
Speaker 2: What's part of it was we weren't around each other

551
00:21:32,072 --> 00:21:35,592
Speaker 2: as much to diffuse those ideas through. So you were

552
00:21:35,652 --> 00:21:38,792
Speaker 2: able to watch like 10 videos in a row. And

553
00:21:38,851 --> 00:21:40,632
Speaker 2: then not go, now I've got to go to lunch

554
00:21:40,652 --> 00:21:43,082
Speaker 2: with Bob and discuss this and have Bob go, well,

555
00:21:43,101 --> 00:21:44,462
Speaker 2: that doesn't make any sense.

556
00:21:44,482 --> 00:21:45,662
Speaker 3: I heard that video wasn't real.

557
00:21:45,702 --> 00:21:48,962
Speaker 2: Yeah. By the time you saw Bob, it had been

558
00:21:49,002 --> 00:21:52,081
Speaker 2: three months, and you had watched 100 videos.

559
00:21:53,002 --> 00:21:53,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow.

560
00:21:53,702 --> 00:21:56,311
Speaker 2: And so, yeah, everybody needs a committee, honestly.

561
00:21:56,331 --> 00:21:58,152
Speaker 3: No, it's communities.

562
00:21:58,792 --> 00:22:01,172
Speaker 2: It takes a committee to raise a– no, that's not.

563
00:22:01,252 --> 00:22:04,081
Speaker 2: It takes a village. We need more bureaucracy now.

564
00:22:04,212 --> 00:22:04,311
Speaker 4: Yeah.

565
00:22:05,222 --> 00:22:10,381
Speaker 3: Well, I really, so the, I guess, tipping point came

566
00:22:10,502 --> 00:22:11,042
Speaker 3: two days ago.

567
00:22:11,061 --> 00:22:11,601
Speaker 4: Okay.

568
00:22:12,402 --> 00:22:15,141
Speaker 1: I found a bunch of old cassette tapes and I

569
00:22:15,161 --> 00:22:16,852
Speaker 1: need to get rid of them. So I went on

570
00:22:16,931 --> 00:22:20,292
Speaker 1: Amazon and bought this cassette tape converter that takes and

571
00:22:20,331 --> 00:22:22,392
Speaker 1: puts many MP3s onto a micro SD card.

572
00:22:22,811 --> 00:22:22,931
Speaker 2: Yeah.

573
00:22:23,391 --> 00:22:25,732
Speaker 3: But it's a tape. You can't just push. You have

574
00:22:25,752 --> 00:22:27,732
Speaker 3: to listen to it. I could turn the volume down,

575
00:22:27,752 --> 00:22:29,032
Speaker 3: but I thought, well, I might as well. I'm working.

576
00:22:29,072 --> 00:22:30,751
Speaker 3: I'll just play these in the background while they're capturing.

577
00:22:30,831 --> 00:22:32,852
Speaker 2: You found some messed up stuff on these tapes. You

578
00:22:32,871 --> 00:22:33,771
Speaker 2: have committed crimes.

579
00:22:34,012 --> 00:22:35,772
Speaker 1: One thing I found that was really cool, I found

580
00:22:35,811 --> 00:22:42,382
Speaker 1: a tape from December 24th, 1978 that my grandmother had recorded.

581
00:22:42,402 --> 00:22:44,982
Speaker 1: That's the year you were born. That was four days

582
00:22:45,022 --> 00:22:48,402
Speaker 1: before I was born. And they're opening Christmas presents at

583
00:22:48,442 --> 00:22:50,702
Speaker 1: my grandmother's house. And I can hear my older brother

584
00:22:50,742 --> 00:22:51,262
Speaker 1: and sister.

585
00:22:51,561 --> 00:22:53,172
Speaker 3: He's two. She's like four.

586
00:22:53,242 --> 00:22:57,032
Speaker 1: They're singing songs and opening presents and just cutie. My

587
00:22:57,092 --> 00:22:58,732
Speaker 1: dad heard my hear my dad's voice really.

588
00:22:59,132 --> 00:23:00,252
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, that would be.

589
00:23:00,552 --> 00:23:02,622
Speaker 1: And a younger dad like he's in and how he's

590
00:23:02,772 --> 00:23:04,502
Speaker 1: interacting with the little kids and everything.

591
00:23:04,542 --> 00:23:05,242
Speaker 2: He's just so great.

592
00:23:05,262 --> 00:23:07,181
Speaker 1: You know, and it was it was great. So it

593
00:23:07,242 --> 00:23:10,142
Speaker 1: was cool. So then I found some other things from

594
00:23:10,202 --> 00:23:11,822
Speaker 1: our past. There's a lot of Scarlet Thread stuff, like

595
00:23:11,891 --> 00:23:14,851
Speaker 1: old demos and things I have that are nasty, a

596
00:23:14,871 --> 00:23:17,272
Speaker 1: song I'm writing or whatever. But I'm trying to capture them,

597
00:23:17,351 --> 00:23:18,972
Speaker 1: so I don't know. I don't want to hear them,

598
00:23:19,632 --> 00:23:21,692
Speaker 1: but I want to capture them, because someday maybe I will.

599
00:23:22,452 --> 00:23:24,532
Speaker 1: The songs aren't nasty, the sound quality.

600
00:23:24,672 --> 00:23:25,591
Speaker 3: No, I had some bad songs.

601
00:23:26,121 --> 00:23:29,141
Speaker 2: Okay. But not like nasty, like. No, not, sorry, but

602
00:23:29,402 --> 00:23:31,061
Speaker 2: bad quality. Yeah, thank you. That's what I mean. Yeah,

603
00:23:31,081 --> 00:23:34,442
Speaker 2: bad quality. Not well-written or well-performed. John, what kind of

604
00:23:34,462 --> 00:23:37,042
Speaker 2: band were you in? Remember that?

605
00:23:37,581 --> 00:23:37,762
Speaker 4: Yeah.

606
00:23:37,942 --> 00:23:38,502
Speaker 2: Hardcore.

607
00:23:38,782 --> 00:23:38,972
Speaker 4: Yeah.

608
00:23:39,172 --> 00:23:39,312
Speaker 2: Yeah.

609
00:23:39,732 --> 00:23:42,872
Speaker 3: So, dude, the big tipping point was I found a sermon.

610
00:23:43,212 --> 00:23:43,532
Speaker 2: Oh, boy.

611
00:23:43,652 --> 00:23:44,151
Speaker 3: I preached.

612
00:23:45,192 --> 00:23:46,752
Speaker 2: You've been preaching since you were like 15.

613
00:23:46,752 --> 00:23:49,131
Speaker 3: Since I was, yeah, 16, I think was my first sermon.

614
00:23:49,152 --> 00:23:49,332
Speaker 4: Okay.

615
00:23:49,411 --> 00:23:49,671
Speaker 2: No.

616
00:23:49,792 --> 00:23:52,071
Speaker 3: Yeah, 16. And so I was 18 years old.

617
00:23:52,081 --> 00:23:52,181
Speaker 2: Yeah.

618
00:23:52,952 --> 00:23:55,432
Speaker 1: And it was like maybe the day or two before

619
00:23:55,472 --> 00:23:56,292
Speaker 1: I left for college.

620
00:23:56,572 --> 00:23:56,772
Speaker 2: Yeah.

621
00:23:56,792 --> 00:23:58,932
Speaker 3: So it's my last kind of message to my home church.

622
00:23:59,431 --> 00:24:00,932
Speaker 2: They let you preach in the big pulpit.

623
00:24:01,032 --> 00:24:02,341
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it was a Sunday night.

624
00:24:02,362 --> 00:24:02,882
Speaker 2: Wow.

625
00:24:03,342 --> 00:24:04,042
Speaker 3: Cause we had Sunday night.

626
00:24:04,262 --> 00:24:05,881
Speaker 2: That's crazy rare too to let.

627
00:24:06,522 --> 00:24:08,002
Speaker 3: Well, I led worship. I have that.

628
00:24:08,242 --> 00:24:09,881
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then of course my dad was the guy

629
00:24:09,962 --> 00:24:11,901
Speaker 1: in the sound booth doing everything. So he recorded everything.

630
00:24:11,922 --> 00:24:12,002
Speaker 4: Okay.

631
00:24:12,402 --> 00:24:16,541
Speaker 1: And so I led worship from the piano and then

632
00:24:16,802 --> 00:24:18,142
Speaker 1: I got immediately.

633
00:24:17,802 --> 00:24:20,272
Speaker 3: Up to speak and dude is messed me up.

634
00:24:21,092 --> 00:24:24,902
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, And I know what everyone would say. I

635
00:24:25,081 --> 00:24:27,382
Speaker 1: know what I would counsel someone like, I totally get it.

636
00:24:27,542 --> 00:24:31,022
Speaker 1: But the emotion that came over me of like, I

637
00:24:31,061 --> 00:24:32,061
Speaker 1: can't stand that guy.

638
00:24:32,092 --> 00:24:36,091
Speaker 3: Right. And I'm embarrassed of that guy. It's been really, really, it's.

639
00:24:36,012 --> 00:24:37,612
Speaker 2: Like what Facebook's done to us. When you see like

640
00:24:37,632 --> 00:24:39,212
Speaker 2: a 20 year old Facebook or a 10 year old

641
00:24:39,232 --> 00:24:40,871
Speaker 2: Facebook post, you're like, what am I?

642
00:24:41,212 --> 00:24:43,232
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I don't want to be that way.

643
00:24:43,292 --> 00:24:43,652
Speaker 2: Cause I do.

644
00:24:43,692 --> 00:24:47,272
Speaker 1: I want to have grace for the younger me. And

645
00:24:47,292 --> 00:24:51,622
Speaker 1: I think it's not just, okay. He wasn't a bad speaker. Yeah.

646
00:24:51,641 --> 00:24:55,311
Speaker 3: And that bothers me a little bit more. Right.

647
00:24:55,931 --> 00:24:57,272
Speaker 2: It was polished heresy.

648
00:24:58,532 --> 00:24:59,732
Speaker 3: Well, I will say this is funny.

649
00:24:59,752 --> 00:25:02,552
Speaker 1: You know, I grew up in a tradition that did

650
00:25:02,592 --> 00:25:08,092
Speaker 1: not emphasize grace. Like we emphasize it as a theological viewpoint.

651
00:25:08,232 --> 00:25:10,201
Speaker 1: So I was saying all the right things. Why it

652
00:25:10,212 --> 00:25:12,622
Speaker 1: took me so long to hear grace. It really was

653
00:25:13,022 --> 00:25:15,241
Speaker 1: because I knew theologically about it.

654
00:25:15,462 --> 00:25:18,102
Speaker 3: Like front and back. What I believe today about grace

655
00:25:18,161 --> 00:25:19,922
Speaker 3: is no real different than what I believed then.

656
00:25:20,022 --> 00:25:20,222
Speaker 4: Right.

657
00:25:21,052 --> 00:25:24,071
Speaker 2: It's like ingredients in a cake. You believe the eggs

658
00:25:24,092 --> 00:25:27,392
Speaker 2: are important as the flour. But then when you realize, like, no,

659
00:25:27,431 --> 00:25:30,052
Speaker 2: there is no cake without. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like,

660
00:25:30,492 --> 00:25:32,792
Speaker 2: you thought, well, this is in the cake. They're like, no,

661
00:25:33,052 --> 00:25:34,812
Speaker 2: but there's no cake without this.

662
00:25:34,871 --> 00:25:37,651
Speaker 3: Right. If you don't use it like this.

663
00:25:37,851 --> 00:25:38,052
Speaker 2: Yeah.

664
00:25:38,911 --> 00:25:42,512
Speaker 3: And so I was like, I talked about the rich

665
00:25:42,552 --> 00:25:43,132
Speaker 3: young ruler.

666
00:25:44,431 --> 00:25:46,712
Speaker 1: And I was real like, I could tell I was

667
00:25:46,752 --> 00:25:51,062
Speaker 1: wrestling because I could not reconcile the the two viewpoints.

668
00:25:51,402 --> 00:25:52,542
Speaker 3: And so I just preached them both.

669
00:25:53,482 --> 00:25:55,721
Speaker 1: But one was stronger because I was so wrapped up

670
00:25:55,762 --> 00:25:59,042
Speaker 1: in my own guilt and my own performance trying.

671
00:25:58,742 --> 00:25:59,722
Speaker 3: To always be good enough.

672
00:26:00,442 --> 00:26:03,082
Speaker 1: And so I was saying things like, you know, he had,

673
00:26:03,101 --> 00:26:06,242
Speaker 1: I was preaching on idols and he said, I've kept

674
00:26:06,262 --> 00:26:07,392
Speaker 1: all the commandments since my birth.

675
00:26:07,411 --> 00:26:08,992
Speaker 3: But I was like, here's three commandments. He's broken.

676
00:26:09,092 --> 00:26:11,132
Speaker 2: And you know, this is not a bad thing.

677
00:26:11,192 --> 00:26:11,972
Speaker 3: I mean, he's lied.

678
00:26:12,032 --> 00:26:14,532
Speaker 1: Obviously he has not kept all the commandments, you know, two,

679
00:26:14,612 --> 00:26:16,491
Speaker 1: he's made a graven image because look at all the

680
00:26:16,532 --> 00:26:17,371
Speaker 1: stuff he can't give up.

681
00:26:17,512 --> 00:26:17,652
Speaker 4: Right.

682
00:26:17,672 --> 00:26:18,412
Speaker 3: And he has these idols.

683
00:26:18,972 --> 00:26:20,552
Speaker 1: And then I think three was he put something else

684
00:26:20,592 --> 00:26:23,392
Speaker 1: before God, right? And it's the first commandment. And I'm like,

685
00:26:23,431 --> 00:26:26,952
Speaker 1: so much as he said, he didn't love Jesus as much.

686
00:26:26,992 --> 00:26:29,451
Speaker 3: He wasn't willing. It was a very like, don't have

687
00:26:29,472 --> 00:26:31,692
Speaker 3: anything before God kind of thing, which is a classic,

688
00:26:31,732 --> 00:26:33,712
Speaker 3: I think, teenager kind of thing to say. And I'm

689
00:26:33,732 --> 00:26:34,512
Speaker 3: not saying it's not true.

690
00:26:35,032 --> 00:26:36,562
Speaker 1: But then later on I go, but I'm not saying

691
00:26:36,581 --> 00:26:39,262
Speaker 1: you can earn your salvation because it's only by grace. Like,

692
00:26:40,081 --> 00:26:42,222
Speaker 1: I'm trying to balance it, but I'm not giving any

693
00:26:42,302 --> 00:26:42,502
Speaker 1: of it.

694
00:26:42,882 --> 00:26:43,082
Speaker 2: Yeah.

695
00:26:43,222 --> 00:26:45,742
Speaker 1: Because I don't have it. I don't have it to give, right?

696
00:26:45,762 --> 00:26:47,802
Speaker 1: I'm so guilt ridden. And then go back to the

697
00:26:47,822 --> 00:26:50,462
Speaker 1: songs I wrote. I literally heard a line today. I

698
00:26:50,482 --> 00:26:53,202
Speaker 1: was transferring one of those songs. It was like, many

699
00:26:53,242 --> 00:26:57,702
Speaker 1: times I fall and I bring to you much shame. Yeah.

700
00:26:57,962 --> 00:26:59,062
Speaker 3: It's a line in my song.

701
00:26:59,382 --> 00:26:59,602
Speaker 4: Right.

702
00:27:00,002 --> 00:27:03,101
Speaker 1: I bring to God much shame. There you go. The

703
00:27:03,161 --> 00:27:08,432
Speaker 1: young me felt that God was ashamed of me. It's

704
00:27:08,462 --> 00:27:10,352
Speaker 1: no wonder the songs didn't take off, Johnny. I mean,

705
00:27:10,742 --> 00:27:13,752
Speaker 1: they're really me just working through my own theology.

706
00:27:13,772 --> 00:27:18,232
Speaker 2: I think we're going to get there. A shame-based CCM resurgence.

707
00:27:19,331 --> 00:27:20,991
Speaker 2: It's on the way. Well, and I do.

708
00:27:21,032 --> 00:27:22,712
Speaker 3: When I go back, because I like old CCM.

709
00:27:22,871 --> 00:27:26,432
Speaker 2: Shame and shame. Can we make a duo?

710
00:27:26,552 --> 00:27:27,272
Speaker 3: Guys, right now.

711
00:27:27,292 --> 00:27:30,792
Speaker 2: You be shame. Resonant harmonies. Which shame do I get

712
00:27:30,811 --> 00:27:30,931
Speaker 2: to be?

713
00:27:30,952 --> 00:27:32,992
Speaker 3: You get to be the shame that sings the high parts.

714
00:27:33,032 --> 00:27:33,931
Speaker 2: Okay, good.

715
00:27:34,612 --> 00:27:36,632
Speaker 1: But I like, even when I go back and listen

716
00:27:36,652 --> 00:27:38,411
Speaker 1: to old CCM, which I have, I got in here

717
00:27:38,431 --> 00:27:39,632
Speaker 1: and I thought, well, if I'm going to do it,

718
00:27:39,632 --> 00:27:40,102
Speaker 1: I'm going to do it.

719
00:27:40,132 --> 00:27:41,631
Speaker 3: Like, I started just going back to old records.

720
00:27:41,692 --> 00:27:41,872
Speaker 4: Sure.

721
00:27:41,931 --> 00:27:44,512
Speaker 1: I was moving stuff and cleaning stuff. And if a

722
00:27:44,532 --> 00:27:48,341
Speaker 1: song comes along that's a real... Be a better Christian.

723
00:27:48,362 --> 00:27:50,282
Speaker 1: You're not a good enough Christian. I find myself having

724
00:27:50,442 --> 00:27:52,302
Speaker 1: trouble listening to it, even if I love the music

725
00:27:52,382 --> 00:27:56,082
Speaker 1: of it. Because a lot of it was that. And

726
00:27:56,101 --> 00:27:58,442
Speaker 1: I've talked to, I won't say who, a mutual friend

727
00:27:58,462 --> 00:28:01,682
Speaker 1: that we have. A lot of their early songs were

728
00:28:01,722 --> 00:28:05,961
Speaker 1: about that. Don't be an imposter, basically. Be a real Christian.

729
00:28:06,762 --> 00:28:09,931
Speaker 1: And I'm like, man, I had that. And I'm not

730
00:28:09,942 --> 00:28:11,262
Speaker 1: sure who gave it to me. I don't think anybody

731
00:28:11,302 --> 00:28:12,891
Speaker 1: gave it to me. It was just a system of

732
00:28:12,952 --> 00:28:15,932
Speaker 1: some great people all around. great parents all those things but.

733
00:28:15,891 --> 00:28:17,732
Speaker 2: Yeah sometimes it's your own internal wiring that comes up

734
00:28:17,772 --> 00:28:20,382
Speaker 2: with these little distortions and it's easy to blame a

735
00:28:20,422 --> 00:28:23,062
Speaker 2: parent or a leader but sometimes it's just it comes

736
00:28:23,462 --> 00:28:24,742
Speaker 2: it comes to you on your own.

737
00:28:25,382 --> 00:28:27,982
Speaker 1: Well and it's like a you know what are you

738
00:28:28,002 --> 00:28:30,842
Speaker 1: gonna do with it now and i think that's the

739
00:28:31,141 --> 00:28:35,752
Speaker 1: i think there was a sense of regret that man

740
00:28:35,811 --> 00:28:39,592
Speaker 1: what could i've given kids you know over the years

741
00:28:39,652 --> 00:28:42,172
Speaker 1: for myself differently and then two there's a sense of

742
00:28:42,232 --> 00:28:45,832
Speaker 1: like I want, I want religious, I want to be

743
00:28:45,852 --> 00:28:47,772
Speaker 1: a part of religious systems that don't have to, people,

744
00:28:47,792 --> 00:28:49,392
Speaker 1: people don't have to go through that.

745
00:28:49,972 --> 00:28:50,172
Speaker 4: Right.

746
00:28:50,212 --> 00:28:52,572
Speaker 3: That they can trust and rest in the grace of God.

747
00:28:52,832 --> 00:28:54,672
Speaker 1: And also good works. We had this talk at the

748
00:28:54,702 --> 00:28:56,032
Speaker 1: staff table yesterday. They're so important.

749
00:28:56,302 --> 00:28:56,462
Speaker 2: Yeah.

750
00:28:56,822 --> 00:28:58,201
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're not part of the equation, like

751
00:28:58,222 --> 00:29:02,142
Speaker 1: you said, like the cake. But man, it just, it wasn't,

752
00:29:03,002 --> 00:29:04,542
Speaker 1: but I think what really.

753
00:29:04,322 --> 00:29:06,482
Speaker 3: Got me was how confident in all of it I sounded.

754
00:29:06,542 --> 00:29:06,742
Speaker 2: Yeah.

755
00:29:07,242 --> 00:29:09,302
Speaker 3: That's what got me. It was the confidence. It's like, no,

756
00:29:09,332 --> 00:29:10,852
Speaker 3: be confident, man, about that.

757
00:29:11,382 --> 00:29:13,421
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's weird because I've spoken to people about

758
00:29:13,582 --> 00:29:15,342
Speaker 2: that whole thing about, like, I have a hard time

759
00:29:15,702 --> 00:29:20,652
Speaker 2: with certainty when it comes to, like, leaders. And even with–

760
00:29:20,782 --> 00:29:23,062
Speaker 2: I'm around a ton of performers, and so comedians that

761
00:29:23,142 --> 00:29:28,471
Speaker 2: I enjoy hanging around with pace backstage and doubt themselves,

762
00:29:29,492 --> 00:29:32,692
Speaker 2: and then they go out and they kill it. They

763
00:29:32,732 --> 00:29:37,552
Speaker 2: go make great things, but they don't ever come off like, well,

764
00:29:37,592 --> 00:29:40,572
Speaker 2: of course it'll go great. I'm great. That bothers me.

765
00:29:40,712 --> 00:29:40,952
Speaker 4: Yeah.

766
00:29:41,332 --> 00:29:43,732
Speaker 2: But I don't like somebody who just is always kicking

767
00:29:43,752 --> 00:29:47,832
Speaker 2: themselves and then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

768
00:29:47,972 --> 00:29:48,172
Speaker 1: Right.

769
00:29:48,972 --> 00:29:52,042
Speaker 2: Or they're searching for a compliment. They're like, I'm terrible.

770
00:29:52,082 --> 00:29:54,962
Speaker 2: And you're like, yeah, you're fine. So it's like I

771
00:29:55,022 --> 00:29:57,862
Speaker 2: have a weird mix of that. Like I want– you

772
00:29:57,922 --> 00:30:03,402
Speaker 2: want a leader who like can go deliver. But that thing–

773
00:30:03,592 --> 00:30:05,332
Speaker 2: but I will say this to that thing about certainty.

774
00:30:05,372 --> 00:30:07,512
Speaker 2: Like certainty is a little bit of a tough thing.

775
00:30:08,382 --> 00:30:10,662
Speaker 2: Because if you are a religious leader or a spiritual

776
00:30:10,702 --> 00:30:15,412
Speaker 2: leader to people, they do expect some kind of like, hey,

777
00:30:15,652 --> 00:30:18,202
Speaker 2: we figured this out. Like if you're talking to somebody,

778
00:30:18,302 --> 00:30:20,362
Speaker 2: we've got these creeds, we have these things. So like

779
00:30:20,402 --> 00:30:23,522
Speaker 2: if you're constantly waffling on everything, it gets a little bit.

780
00:30:23,872 --> 00:30:26,752
Speaker 2: That other extreme of like, we have preachers now that

781
00:30:26,792 --> 00:30:28,712
Speaker 2: are happening. I was talking with somebody about this and

782
00:30:28,732 --> 00:30:32,212
Speaker 2: they were like, I go to these churches in super

783
00:30:32,252 --> 00:30:36,032
Speaker 2: liberal areas and they're so timid. They're afraid to say

784
00:30:36,232 --> 00:30:39,622
Speaker 2: anything for sure. And so they say nothing for an hour.

785
00:30:39,642 --> 00:30:42,222
Speaker 2: It's just a bunch of qualifying statements or whatever.

786
00:30:42,382 --> 00:30:42,542
Speaker 3: Yeah.

787
00:30:42,562 --> 00:30:44,622
Speaker 2: Because they're trying not to offend. It's like, that's not

788
00:30:44,681 --> 00:30:46,382
Speaker 2: really a way forward either.

789
00:30:46,642 --> 00:30:46,842
Speaker 1: Yeah.

790
00:30:47,562 --> 00:30:48,622
Speaker 3: We had that talk yesterday. I was like, guys, I

791
00:30:48,882 --> 00:30:50,062
Speaker 3: had to make peace with the fact. I think I

792
00:30:50,062 --> 00:30:50,992
Speaker 3: went through that stage.

793
00:30:51,352 --> 00:30:51,652
Speaker 2: Yeah.

794
00:30:51,772 --> 00:30:54,232
Speaker 1: And can still be there. Of, wow, if I was

795
00:30:54,252 --> 00:30:56,492
Speaker 1: so wrong about all this, how can I be confident

796
00:30:56,512 --> 00:30:59,692
Speaker 1: to say any of this? And so, yes, coming to

797
00:31:00,072 --> 00:31:02,752
Speaker 1: bedrock principles, creeds, those kinds of things have been very

798
00:31:02,792 --> 00:31:06,572
Speaker 1: helpful for me. But I did say, look, if you

799
00:31:06,612 --> 00:31:10,282
Speaker 1: have a belief... It is offensive to somebody. Any belief

800
00:31:11,042 --> 00:31:13,422
Speaker 1: about anything is going to be offensive to somebody. The

801
00:31:13,502 --> 00:31:18,022
Speaker 1: goal being a believer cannot be primarily to never offend.

802
00:31:18,702 --> 00:31:21,072
Speaker 1: The goal could be to believe something with the intent

803
00:31:21,112 --> 00:31:24,792
Speaker 1: of not offending and communicating it through the fruits of

804
00:31:24,812 --> 00:31:27,272
Speaker 1: the Spirit. So that, look, if someone wants to just

805
00:31:27,492 --> 00:31:29,092
Speaker 1: really like, no, you tell me now. They want to

806
00:31:29,112 --> 00:31:31,352
Speaker 1: just like, hey, man, I'm not going to engage in

807
00:31:31,372 --> 00:31:33,942
Speaker 1: something for the sake of offense or, you know, I

808
00:31:33,982 --> 00:31:34,762
Speaker 1: have a belief though.

809
00:31:34,862 --> 00:31:38,192
Speaker 3: And then to say, we are a church here. We're

810
00:31:38,212 --> 00:31:41,592
Speaker 3: not just a community program. We're a church.

811
00:31:41,872 --> 00:31:44,772
Speaker 1: We believe in a Middle Eastern religion and that a

812
00:31:44,812 --> 00:31:48,421
Speaker 1: guy came down born as a human and walked around

813
00:31:48,502 --> 00:31:52,262
Speaker 1: as a man who was also God, who performed miracles

814
00:31:52,362 --> 00:31:55,241
Speaker 1: and ascended into heaven after rising from the dead. We

815
00:31:55,262 --> 00:31:58,962
Speaker 1: believe these things. So that's going to be offensive or

816
00:31:59,002 --> 00:32:02,842
Speaker 1: sound crazy to somebody. And so the goal would be that, again,

817
00:32:03,082 --> 00:32:08,522
Speaker 1: above all, that that message is real, And transformative in

818
00:32:08,562 --> 00:32:10,781
Speaker 1: my own life. That's the greatest evidence of it. Not

819
00:32:10,802 --> 00:32:12,602
Speaker 1: that I try to make it not offensive to you,

820
00:32:13,181 --> 00:32:15,971
Speaker 1: but that you can't deny what it does to change me.

821
00:32:16,572 --> 00:32:16,792
Speaker 4: Right.

822
00:32:16,992 --> 00:32:17,192
Speaker 3: Right.

823
00:32:17,212 --> 00:32:21,472
Speaker 1: I mean, that should be the goal. So anyway, well,

824
00:32:21,812 --> 00:32:23,192
Speaker 1: I actually feel better talking about it.

825
00:32:23,232 --> 00:32:24,431
Speaker 3: I appreciate that.

826
00:32:24,452 --> 00:32:26,372
Speaker 2: John, I like the quote a lot, by the way, too.

827
00:32:26,392 --> 00:32:27,712
Speaker 2: That's what I never heard before.

828
00:32:27,952 --> 00:32:31,722
Speaker 3: Well, I was on my own path and I'm still

829
00:32:31,842 --> 00:32:32,382
Speaker 3: on my path.

830
00:32:32,422 --> 00:32:32,642
Speaker 4: Right.

831
00:32:33,282 --> 00:32:35,022
Speaker 3: And now look back. The path looks unclear.

832
00:32:35,282 --> 00:32:35,462
Speaker 4: Yeah.

833
00:32:36,492 --> 00:32:38,032
Speaker 1: And I don't think I ever feel clear about the

834
00:32:38,082 --> 00:32:40,562
Speaker 1: path ahead. So the goal, I think it was, yeah,

835
00:32:40,602 --> 00:32:43,402
Speaker 1: if he's right, if we're, if we feel unclear, we're probably.

836
00:32:43,181 --> 00:32:43,562
Speaker 3: On our own.

837
00:32:43,642 --> 00:32:46,002
Speaker 2: Well, and this idea, yeah, that like, there's going to

838
00:32:46,042 --> 00:32:50,202
Speaker 2: be obstacles. And we used to always take that as like, okay,

839
00:32:50,462 --> 00:32:52,602
Speaker 2: is this, but sometimes it feels like in your own mind,

840
00:32:53,022 --> 00:32:55,902
Speaker 2: if there's obstacles, am I going the right way? Why

841
00:32:55,922 --> 00:32:57,902
Speaker 2: would you drive your car off into the brush?

842
00:32:58,142 --> 00:32:58,402
Speaker 1: Right.

843
00:32:58,842 --> 00:33:01,602
Speaker 2: You know, stay on a paved road where it's nice,

844
00:33:02,262 --> 00:33:05,302
Speaker 2: but sometimes you're like, You're only going to get someplace

845
00:33:05,342 --> 00:33:09,122
Speaker 2: that somebody's already been. It might not be your path.

846
00:33:09,242 --> 00:33:12,001
Speaker 2: Sometimes you're going to have to just start laying pavers

847
00:33:12,062 --> 00:33:15,532
Speaker 2: and do the thing. And I think that it takes

848
00:33:15,592 --> 00:33:18,092
Speaker 2: courage to do that sometimes. And I don't have that courage, John.

849
00:33:18,112 --> 00:33:18,652
Speaker 3: I need your help.

850
00:33:18,772 --> 00:33:21,112
Speaker 2: I need a committee. That's what I need. John, let's

851
00:33:21,132 --> 00:33:25,412
Speaker 2: do my segment. Johnny's Old Jokes. We call it Joke

852
00:33:25,431 --> 00:33:25,972
Speaker 2: About That.

853
00:33:26,032 --> 00:33:33,292
Speaker 4: Joke About That John, I remember the first time I

854
00:33:33,352 --> 00:33:35,992
Speaker 4: saw universal remote control, I thought to myself, well, this

855
00:33:36,172 --> 00:33:37,431
Speaker 4: changes everything.

856
00:33:39,952 --> 00:33:40,392
Speaker 3: I like that.

857
00:33:40,472 --> 00:33:40,692
Speaker 4: Okay.

858
00:33:40,872 --> 00:33:41,272
Speaker 3: One more.

859
00:33:41,732 --> 00:33:43,272
Speaker 2: A woman's having a funeral for her husband when a

860
00:33:43,292 --> 00:33:45,511
Speaker 2: strange man walks in and sits up front. Towards the

861
00:33:45,532 --> 00:33:47,011
Speaker 2: end of the ceremony, he turns to his wife and asks,

862
00:33:47,032 --> 00:33:48,332
Speaker 2: would you mind if I got up and said a word?

863
00:33:48,772 --> 00:33:51,012
Speaker 2: She tells him, by all means. He stands up and says, plethora,

864
00:33:51,192 --> 00:33:53,472
Speaker 2: and sits back down. The wife turns to him and says, thanks.

865
00:33:53,582 --> 00:33:57,132
Speaker 2: That means a lot. The man then looks at the

866
00:33:57,172 --> 00:33:58,692
Speaker 2: wife and continues, I'd like to add a word if

867
00:33:58,732 --> 00:34:00,922
Speaker 2: that's okay. She says, of course, that's fine. He stands

868
00:34:00,972 --> 00:34:03,402
Speaker 2: up once again, only to say, bargain, and sits back down.

869
00:34:04,062 --> 00:34:06,622
Speaker 2: The wife wipes away a tear, touches him gently on

870
00:34:06,642 --> 00:34:08,582
Speaker 2: the shoulder and says, that meant a great deal.

871
00:34:12,742 --> 00:34:13,902
Speaker 3: I love these kinds of jokes.

872
00:34:13,962 --> 00:34:14,232
Speaker 4: I do too.

873
00:34:14,282 --> 00:34:16,522
Speaker 3: Anything in the word. Oh, it's fun. Fun stuff.

874
00:34:16,622 --> 00:34:18,882
Speaker 2: John, let's do, this week in history, we call it

875
00:34:18,962 --> 00:34:30,272
Speaker 2: Talk About Then. John, This week, 1878, a hallmark invention,

876
00:34:30,652 --> 00:34:33,131
Speaker 2: as Thomas Edison received his patent for what?

877
00:34:34,612 --> 00:34:35,292
Speaker 3: Light bulb?

878
00:34:35,512 --> 00:34:39,642
Speaker 2: No, the first phonograph, which I guess became later, what,

879
00:34:39,661 --> 00:34:41,842
Speaker 2: a record player? Was the phonograph pre?

880
00:34:42,161 --> 00:34:42,982
Speaker 3: That's a great question.

881
00:34:43,002 --> 00:34:45,142
Speaker 2: I don't really know how the phonograph really worked, but

882
00:34:45,161 --> 00:34:46,882
Speaker 2: I think it was similar. It was more of a round,

883
00:34:46,962 --> 00:34:49,112
Speaker 2: was it a tube kind of thing? Was it a circle?

884
00:34:49,292 --> 00:34:50,511
Speaker 3: I don't know. You're the one bringing the segment.

885
00:34:50,532 --> 00:34:50,672
Speaker 4: I don't.

886
00:34:51,262 --> 00:34:53,522
Speaker 2: It doesn't say anything more. It just says the first phonograph.

887
00:34:53,862 --> 00:34:57,642
Speaker 2: Did it have the horn? Okay. Anyway, I don't know

888
00:34:57,662 --> 00:35:00,942
Speaker 2: how it went. It wasn't great, but it led to more.

889
00:35:01,662 --> 00:35:04,682
Speaker 2: There's more advancements that came along. That's wild to think

890
00:35:05,332 --> 00:35:09,612
Speaker 2: that's really not as old as we would think. That's

891
00:35:09,712 --> 00:35:10,082
Speaker 2: almost the 1900s.

892
00:35:10,112 --> 00:35:10,372
Speaker 3: Yeah.

893
00:35:10,372 --> 00:35:10,452
Speaker 4: 1878.

894
00:35:10,452 --> 00:35:14,572
Speaker 2: And he just got the patent then, so it was

895
00:35:14,632 --> 00:35:16,912
Speaker 2: still a ways off from full development.

896
00:35:17,392 --> 00:35:19,352
Speaker 3: He probably actually had an iPod. He just hadn't patented

897
00:35:19,372 --> 00:35:19,632
Speaker 3: it yet.

898
00:35:19,792 --> 00:35:22,912
Speaker 2: Wow. Come on. Have you ever seen those weird conspiracies

899
00:35:22,972 --> 00:35:25,832
Speaker 2: of like there's old technology in some photos? Like there's

900
00:35:25,852 --> 00:35:27,912
Speaker 2: somebody that swears there's an iPhone in a photo of

901
00:35:27,972 --> 00:35:30,672
Speaker 2: like an old like 50s boxing match that somebody's holding

902
00:35:30,772 --> 00:35:32,852
Speaker 2: up what looks like an iPhone. It's like you can't

903
00:35:32,892 --> 00:35:33,272
Speaker 2: tell if it's.

904
00:35:33,292 --> 00:35:33,772
Speaker 3: Oh, come on.

905
00:35:33,872 --> 00:35:36,852
Speaker 2: I don't know. Time travel? Come on, man. Okay.

906
00:35:37,112 --> 00:35:37,232
Speaker 4: No.

907
00:35:37,952 --> 00:35:39,732
Speaker 2: I think if you could time travel, you'd go crazy

908
00:35:40,392 --> 00:35:42,442
Speaker 2: because you'd have to tell somebody. You're not going to

909
00:35:42,462 --> 00:35:44,422
Speaker 2: believe this, but in the future, we blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

910
00:35:45,262 --> 00:35:46,782
Speaker 2: And two dudes just sit and talk to each other

911
00:35:46,822 --> 00:35:48,681
Speaker 2: and try to monetize that. And they'd be like, that

912
00:35:48,722 --> 00:35:51,212
Speaker 2: sounds stupid. Yeah, it's called a podcast.

913
00:35:51,232 --> 00:35:51,692
Speaker 3: It's dumb.

914
00:35:52,372 --> 00:35:58,122
Speaker 2: It is dumb. John, this week, 1807, former Vice President

915
00:35:58,212 --> 00:36:00,722
Speaker 2: Aaron Burr is arrested for treason against the U.S. Did

916
00:36:00,762 --> 00:36:03,902
Speaker 2: you know this? This is the first arrest of a U.S.

917
00:36:04,282 --> 00:36:07,002
Speaker 2: Vice President. He had organized an armed militia of about

918
00:36:07,002 --> 00:36:10,182
Speaker 2: 60 men, the exact purpose of which has never been determined.

919
00:36:10,762 --> 00:36:14,722
Speaker 2: President Thomas Jefferson ordered his arrest. Burr had served as

920
00:36:14,782 --> 00:36:17,282
Speaker 2: Vice President under Jefferson. He was accused of trying to

921
00:36:17,322 --> 00:36:19,992
Speaker 2: create an independent country In the center of North America,

922
00:36:20,032 --> 00:36:27,242
Speaker 2: including the southwest United States and parts of Mexico, Burr

923
00:36:27,302 --> 00:36:31,742
Speaker 2: claimed he was just trying to form 40,000 acres in

924
00:36:31,762 --> 00:36:33,602
Speaker 2: the Texas territory that had been leased to him by

925
00:36:33,622 --> 00:36:36,282
Speaker 2: the Spanish crown. He had organized an armed militia of

926
00:36:36,322 --> 00:36:40,122
Speaker 2: about 60 men. Historians still debate Burr's true intentions. What

927
00:36:40,162 --> 00:36:41,221
Speaker 2: do you think was going on there?

928
00:36:41,522 --> 00:36:44,192
Speaker 1: I think Burr was a complete snake in the grass.

929
00:36:45,052 --> 00:36:46,752
Speaker 2: He said he was eventually acquitted by the way of this.

930
00:36:46,872 --> 00:36:47,132
Speaker 4: Yeah.

931
00:36:48,212 --> 00:36:49,752
Speaker 3: You got to think this whole scenario through.

932
00:36:49,772 --> 00:36:53,712
Speaker 2: And this is post. This is three years after he

933
00:36:54,132 --> 00:36:56,592
Speaker 2: shot Alexander Hamilton. So it was 1807 when he was

934
00:36:56,632 --> 00:37:00,832
Speaker 2: arrested for this stuff. Yeah. He was already like, he

935
00:37:00,852 --> 00:37:01,431
Speaker 2: killed a dude.

936
00:37:01,662 --> 00:37:01,872
Speaker 4: Yeah.

937
00:37:02,602 --> 00:37:03,942
Speaker 3: And he got off for that too.

938
00:37:05,382 --> 00:37:05,742
Speaker 2: Yeah.

939
00:37:05,762 --> 00:37:09,002
Speaker 3: But you got to like think about the fact.

940
00:37:08,822 --> 00:37:14,462
Speaker 1: That this would be the equivalent of President Biden arresting

941
00:37:15,082 --> 00:37:15,762
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris.

942
00:37:16,022 --> 00:37:16,142
Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

943
00:37:16,542 --> 00:37:20,042
Speaker 1: Like, it's a major thing happening because he was the

944
00:37:20,122 --> 00:37:21,142
Speaker 1: sitting vice president.

945
00:37:21,302 --> 00:37:22,562
Speaker 2: The only thing that gives me hope, by the way,

946
00:37:22,582 --> 00:37:24,292
Speaker 2: when you see these old scandals, you're like, all right,

947
00:37:24,312 --> 00:37:25,212
Speaker 2: we survived a lot.

948
00:37:25,502 --> 00:37:27,432
Speaker 1: And we got to remember, too, that Hamilton was the

949
00:37:27,572 --> 00:37:30,451
Speaker 1: one that helped Jefferson, who was his mortal enemy, win

950
00:37:30,592 --> 00:37:31,892
Speaker 1: over Burr, who was his friend.

951
00:37:32,212 --> 00:37:32,411
Speaker 4: Yeah.

952
00:37:33,032 --> 00:37:39,392
Speaker 1: Because of Burr's lack of, I guess, character. That he

953
00:37:39,432 --> 00:37:41,312
Speaker 1: did not seem to care about the good of the country.

954
00:37:41,352 --> 00:37:45,102
Speaker 1: He cared about himself. So, yeah, what I've read is that, yes,

955
00:37:45,482 --> 00:37:49,402
Speaker 1: he was attempting basically to create a secessionist government somewhere

956
00:37:49,502 --> 00:37:52,022
Speaker 1: in one of the new territories and that they arrested

957
00:37:52,042 --> 00:37:54,972
Speaker 1: him for it. And I completely believe– but he was–

958
00:37:55,202 --> 00:37:56,892
Speaker 1: Burr was a shady dude.

959
00:37:57,312 --> 00:37:59,132
Speaker 2: Like had– he.

960
00:37:59,092 --> 00:38:01,032
Speaker 3: Kept women in every town kind of thing.

961
00:38:01,052 --> 00:38:04,852
Speaker 2: Did you feel this way before the play Hamilton? Were

962
00:38:04,892 --> 00:38:07,842
Speaker 2: you always like a never trusted Aaron Burr? I just

963
00:38:07,902 --> 00:38:09,382
Speaker 2: knew some of the story. But see, I've read the

964
00:38:09,442 --> 00:38:12,681
Speaker 2: whole actual Hamilton, the full, you know. I mean, Burr

965
00:38:12,722 --> 00:38:16,372
Speaker 2: is a fascinating American history character. But like he was weird.

966
00:38:16,412 --> 00:38:19,592
Speaker 1: Like he would talk to his daughter about inappropriate things

967
00:38:19,652 --> 00:38:21,352
Speaker 1: he had done with other women and stuff. Like he

968
00:38:21,372 --> 00:38:23,672
Speaker 1: was just kind of a shady dude. Stuff you don't

969
00:38:23,712 --> 00:38:26,712
Speaker 1: normally share with your daughter probably. Yeah, just an interesting

970
00:38:26,772 --> 00:38:29,192
Speaker 1: kind of weird guy. But yeah, Aaron Burr.

971
00:38:29,492 --> 00:38:34,632
Speaker 2: And he was acquitted twice. Aaron Burr, sir. John, this week, 1790,

972
00:38:34,632 --> 00:38:38,672
Speaker 2: upon reading his death sentence, the Marquis de Favreau remarked,

973
00:38:40,012 --> 00:38:44,322
Speaker 2: I see that you've made three spelling mistakes. Which, I mean,

974
00:38:44,382 --> 00:38:45,082
Speaker 2: come on, dude.

975
00:38:45,102 --> 00:38:46,422
Speaker 3: That sounds like something I would want to say.

976
00:38:46,442 --> 00:38:47,222
Speaker 2: That's amazing.

977
00:38:47,242 --> 00:38:49,181
Speaker 3: If I could have the wherewithal in that moment.

978
00:38:49,222 --> 00:38:51,722
Speaker 2: Yeah. He was a French aristocrat and a supporter of

979
00:38:51,742 --> 00:38:54,462
Speaker 2: the House of Bourbon during the French Revolution and was

980
00:38:54,542 --> 00:38:58,732
Speaker 2: executed February 19th, 1790 for his plot to rescue the king, queen,

981
00:38:58,752 --> 00:39:00,452
Speaker 2: and their children and take them out of the country.

982
00:39:00,492 --> 00:39:04,262
Speaker 2: The plot also included... using a force of 30,000 soldiers

983
00:39:04,322 --> 00:39:07,442
Speaker 2: to encircle Paris, starving the occupants into submission by cutting

984
00:39:07,462 --> 00:39:09,142
Speaker 2: off their food supplies. This was the plot. He didn't

985
00:39:09,362 --> 00:39:11,222
Speaker 2: go through with it. But then suddenly they found out

986
00:39:11,262 --> 00:39:14,862
Speaker 2: the plot and wrote up a death warrant. And then

987
00:39:14,902 --> 00:39:17,922
Speaker 2: he read it. And before being executed, probably by guillotine,

988
00:39:18,022 --> 00:39:20,482
Speaker 2: he said, I see you've made three spelling errors.

989
00:39:20,602 --> 00:39:21,241
Speaker 3: I tell you what.

990
00:39:21,502 --> 00:39:21,741
Speaker 4: Wow.

991
00:39:21,822 --> 00:39:24,402
Speaker 3: I think this guy may be my new hero.

992
00:39:24,462 --> 00:39:24,642
Speaker 4: Yeah.

993
00:39:25,212 --> 00:39:25,772
Speaker 3: That is.

994
00:39:26,112 --> 00:39:29,932
Speaker 2: He's like roasting people right before he got roasted. I

995
00:39:30,032 --> 00:39:32,592
Speaker 2: don't know how he was killed. Maybe he was burned

996
00:39:32,612 --> 00:39:36,302
Speaker 2: at the stake. Man, what a... Like you said, this guy.

997
00:39:36,462 --> 00:39:37,742
Speaker 2: Maybe he wasn't a great guy, but he was trying

998
00:39:37,762 --> 00:39:38,382
Speaker 2: to save the king.

999
00:39:38,822 --> 00:39:39,842
Speaker 3: He was trying to save the king.

1000
00:39:40,022 --> 00:39:42,241
Speaker 2: But he also was going to encircle Paris and starve people.

1001
00:39:42,262 --> 00:39:45,161
Speaker 1: He cared about good grammar. He's a pretty good guy

1002
00:39:45,182 --> 00:39:48,922
Speaker 1: to me. Sorry, I mean well grammar.

1003
00:39:49,162 --> 00:39:49,482
Speaker 3: My bad.

1004
00:39:51,002 --> 00:39:55,792
Speaker 2: See, you've made one mistake. John, finally this week... Mary

1005
00:39:55,872 --> 00:39:59,782
Speaker 2: Anderson was born. She was the inventor of the windshield wiper.

1006
00:40:01,062 --> 00:40:03,262
Speaker 2: She was born this week in 1866. She was an

1007
00:40:03,282 --> 00:40:06,252
Speaker 2: American entrepreneur. She invented, which is fun to think of like,

1008
00:40:06,732 --> 00:40:10,092
Speaker 2: a female entrepreneur. this far back. You know, it's kind

1009
00:40:10,112 --> 00:40:11,732
Speaker 2: of cool because it's not a lot of spots in

1010
00:40:11,992 --> 00:40:14,661
Speaker 2: our country for that this far back. But so she

1011
00:40:14,712 --> 00:40:17,862
Speaker 2: had this idea. She invented the automotive windshield wiper in 1903.

1012
00:40:17,862 --> 00:40:22,442
Speaker 2: In 1902, while visiting New York City on a frosty

1013
00:40:22,482 --> 00:40:25,372
Speaker 2: winter day, Anderson was riding the trolley. She noticed that

1014
00:40:25,572 --> 00:40:28,052
Speaker 2: the trolley driver, in order to see through the sleet

1015
00:40:28,292 --> 00:40:31,032
Speaker 2: on the windshield, had to either lean out the window,

1016
00:40:31,132 --> 00:40:35,092
Speaker 2: not safe, or to see or stop and go outside

1017
00:40:35,112 --> 00:40:36,892
Speaker 2: to clear the window with his hands. That takes too long.

1018
00:40:37,252 --> 00:40:40,892
Speaker 2: Recognizing an opportunity, she designed a hand-operated device to keep

1019
00:40:40,932 --> 00:40:43,232
Speaker 2: a windshield clear, and in 1903 was granted a patent

1020
00:40:43,252 --> 00:40:46,502
Speaker 2: for the windshield wiper. Anderson's device consisted of a lever

1021
00:40:46,542 --> 00:40:48,892
Speaker 2: inside the vehicle that controlled a rubber blade on the

1022
00:40:48,932 --> 00:40:51,082
Speaker 2: outside of the windshield, so pretty similar to today's devices.

1023
00:40:51,602 --> 00:40:53,622
Speaker 2: The lever could be operated to make a spring-loaded arm

1024
00:40:53,662 --> 00:40:55,842
Speaker 2: move back and forth across the windshield, thus clearing it.

1025
00:40:55,942 --> 00:40:59,181
Speaker 2: A counterweight was used to ensure contact between the wiper

1026
00:40:59,202 --> 00:41:01,181
Speaker 2: and the window. However, this is where it gets like,

1027
00:41:01,262 --> 00:41:03,412
Speaker 2: this is where history comes back. There's always something in

1028
00:41:03,472 --> 00:41:06,832
Speaker 2: history to make you go like, ugh. However, she never

1029
00:41:06,892 --> 00:41:09,552
Speaker 2: profited from her invention because in the early 1900s, cars

1030
00:41:09,592 --> 00:41:13,411
Speaker 2: were not very popular. And by 1922, when Cadillac became

1031
00:41:13,432 --> 00:41:17,032
Speaker 2: the first car manufacturer to adopt wipers as standard equipment,

1032
00:41:17,252 --> 00:41:18,192
Speaker 2: her patent.

1033
00:41:17,832 --> 00:41:19,122
Speaker 3: Had already expired.

1034
00:41:19,382 --> 00:41:19,942
Speaker 4: Oh, no.

1035
00:41:20,542 --> 00:41:21,422
Speaker 3: Got to get those renewed.

1036
00:41:22,592 --> 00:41:25,272
Speaker 2: Mary Anderson. But so we recognize her today, Mary.

1037
00:41:25,512 --> 00:41:25,712
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1038
00:41:26,072 --> 00:41:29,672
Speaker 2: Every time we use our wipers, it's a little, you know.

1039
00:41:30,092 --> 00:41:30,632
Speaker 3: We think of you.

1040
00:41:30,672 --> 00:41:31,872
Speaker 2: It's like pouring one out for Mary.

1041
00:41:32,572 --> 00:41:35,062
Speaker 3: Yeah. Off the side of your car. It's very, you've

1042
00:41:35,102 --> 00:41:36,022
Speaker 3: taken this very deep.

1043
00:41:36,042 --> 00:41:36,582
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1044
00:41:36,642 --> 00:41:37,302
Speaker 3: I appreciate that.

1045
00:41:37,482 --> 00:41:37,661
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1046
00:41:37,742 --> 00:41:38,502
Speaker 3: Because that's what we wanted.

1047
00:41:38,522 --> 00:41:40,882
Speaker 2: It's a bummer when people don't profit from their inventions.

1048
00:41:40,922 --> 00:41:43,862
Speaker 2: Like there's a whole dearth of those in history. That's

1049
00:41:43,882 --> 00:41:44,562
Speaker 2: twice dearth.

1050
00:41:44,662 --> 00:41:45,422
Speaker 3: Wow, dearth.

1051
00:41:45,442 --> 00:41:49,082
Speaker 2: Sorry about that. But there is a lot. And so,

1052
00:41:51,252 --> 00:41:51,792
Speaker 2: it's a two minute.

1053
00:41:52,122 --> 00:41:54,762
Speaker 3: What are you worried about not getting credit for in

1054
00:41:54,782 --> 00:41:58,202
Speaker 3: your life? Let's go down. Let's unpack this. Why does

1055
00:41:58,222 --> 00:41:58,942
Speaker 3: it hit you so?

1056
00:42:00,282 --> 00:42:02,122
Speaker 2: You think that's why? I don't know.

1057
00:42:02,442 --> 00:42:05,161
Speaker 3: You're the one speaking the truth right now from your

1058
00:42:05,202 --> 00:42:05,862
Speaker 3: own soul.

1059
00:42:06,542 --> 00:42:07,922
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1060
00:42:08,382 --> 00:42:10,142
Speaker 3: Are you afraid someone's going to steal your jokes?

1061
00:42:10,562 --> 00:42:10,882
Speaker 2: No.

1062
00:42:11,622 --> 00:42:11,902
Speaker 3: Maybe.

1063
00:42:12,122 --> 00:42:13,582
Speaker 2: Well, that is a thing that happens.

1064
00:42:14,102 --> 00:42:15,722
Speaker 3: When someone has stolen a joke, how does it make

1065
00:42:15,762 --> 00:42:16,082
Speaker 3: you feel?

1066
00:42:18,402 --> 00:42:22,902
Speaker 2: I called somebody out one time. you called him out

1067
00:42:23,002 --> 00:42:28,702
Speaker 2: a clip a clip came out and I commented or

1068
00:42:28,722 --> 00:42:30,462
Speaker 2: I sent them a text because I know the person

1069
00:42:31,002 --> 00:42:32,842
Speaker 2: and I said I really like this I liked it

1070
00:42:32,862 --> 00:42:35,372
Speaker 2: a lot better on my special four years ago just

1071
00:42:35,392 --> 00:42:38,012
Speaker 2: trying to like stir the pot but also in a

1072
00:42:38,052 --> 00:42:41,292
Speaker 2: funny way like they were like what oh no that

1073
00:42:42,192 --> 00:42:44,352
Speaker 2: I thought mine was you know it's fine did they

1074
00:42:44,572 --> 00:42:47,102
Speaker 2: claim parallel they did a little bit and we made

1075
00:42:47,142 --> 00:42:48,982
Speaker 2: amends it's fine but it was one of those things

1076
00:42:49,042 --> 00:42:51,822
Speaker 2: of like it could happen to anybody though yeah honestly.

1077
00:42:52,492 --> 00:42:55,011
Speaker 3: I just use your jokes like they're mine all the time.

1078
00:42:55,292 --> 00:42:56,272
Speaker 2: And that's fine.

1079
00:42:56,572 --> 00:42:59,332
Speaker 3: I'm just like, hey, I'm just funny. I don't know

1080
00:42:59,352 --> 00:42:59,872
Speaker 3: what to tell you.

1081
00:42:59,972 --> 00:43:00,152
Speaker 4: No.

1082
00:43:00,172 --> 00:43:00,911
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?

1083
00:43:00,932 --> 00:43:03,042
Speaker 2: You're very funny, John. Listen.

1084
00:43:03,962 --> 00:43:04,712
Speaker 3: I'm not Johnny W.

1085
00:43:04,722 --> 00:43:04,962
Speaker 4: Funny.

1086
00:43:05,142 --> 00:43:05,681
Speaker 3: I can tell you that.

1087
00:43:05,722 --> 00:43:07,722
Speaker 1: And guys, I don't know anybody who's Johnny W.

1088
00:43:07,742 --> 00:43:07,922
Speaker 3: Funny.

1089
00:43:07,942 --> 00:43:10,462
Speaker 2: Preaching since you were 16, though. You got me on that.

1090
00:43:10,482 --> 00:43:11,882
Speaker 3: I should not have started that early.

1091
00:43:12,042 --> 00:43:13,502
Speaker 2: But that got you. You got to get the bad

1092
00:43:13,582 --> 00:43:16,732
Speaker 2: ones out. Just like comedy. You know, you got to

1093
00:43:16,772 --> 00:43:20,232
Speaker 2: go to enough open mics and be bad for a minute. John,

1094
00:43:20,272 --> 00:43:21,172
Speaker 2: if the path is clear.

1095
00:43:24,332 --> 00:43:26,552
Speaker 3: Well, I'm on the path then because it is not clear.

1096
00:43:26,932 --> 00:43:30,132
Speaker 2: Need a bush hog over here to get this thing. Sheesh.

1097
00:43:30,692 --> 00:43:32,232
Speaker 1: Johnny, I really don't know a better comedian, and that's

1098
00:43:32,252 --> 00:43:34,491
Speaker 1: why people should go see your show. They should see

1099
00:43:34,592 --> 00:43:38,911
Speaker 1: all the new tour dates coming online every day at johnnyw.com.

1100
00:43:39,332 --> 00:43:41,742
Speaker 2: That's right, John. How do they find more about your writings?

1101
00:43:42,102 --> 00:43:45,142
Speaker 3: I really don't know. Just go to Amazon, I guess.

1102
00:43:45,162 --> 00:43:49,332
Speaker 2: Search John C. Driver. Is that the right one?

1103
00:43:49,342 --> 00:43:50,422
Speaker 3: Sometimes there's a C in there.

1104
00:43:50,482 --> 00:43:50,721
Speaker 4: Okay.

1105
00:43:50,842 --> 00:43:53,161
Speaker 3: If you go to John, you can go to johndriver.com.

1106
00:43:53,332 --> 00:43:53,672
Speaker 1: John Driver.

1107
00:43:53,732 --> 00:43:57,152
Speaker 3: It'll redirect to some sort of bio site.

1108
00:43:57,172 --> 00:43:57,972
Speaker 2: A weird holding.

1109
00:43:57,992 --> 00:43:58,412
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1110
00:43:58,532 --> 00:44:00,372
Speaker 2: A weird holding area.

1111
00:44:00,432 --> 00:44:01,872
Speaker 3: I used to maintain a website.

1112
00:44:01,932 --> 00:44:02,332
Speaker 2: A 404 page.

1113
00:44:02,392 --> 00:44:04,952
Speaker 3: What's the point, really? So page not found. No, but

1114
00:44:04,972 --> 00:44:06,392
Speaker 3: you can go to Amazon and find stuff.

1115
00:44:06,412 --> 00:44:08,572
Speaker 1: But the cool thing about my writing usually is that

1116
00:44:08,592 --> 00:44:10,312
Speaker 1: you get to hear other people's great stories.

1117
00:44:10,552 --> 00:44:11,472
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?

1118
00:44:11,492 --> 00:44:13,772
Speaker 2: Hey, man, you're a partner. It takes, listen, it takes,

1119
00:44:13,792 --> 00:44:15,702
Speaker 2: they need a committee too. And you get to be

1120
00:44:15,722 --> 00:44:16,262
Speaker 2: in that committee.

1121
00:44:16,282 --> 00:44:16,942
Speaker 3: You get to be a part of that.

1122
00:44:17,502 --> 00:44:19,232
Speaker 2: And then they get to look back 20 years from

1123
00:44:19,252 --> 00:44:20,612
Speaker 2: now and regret those writings. Right.

1124
00:44:20,632 --> 00:44:21,971
Speaker 3: They get to go, why did I use that guy?

1125
00:44:21,992 --> 00:44:24,032
Speaker 2: They're going through a box and they just start crying. Like,

1126
00:44:24,192 --> 00:44:25,792
Speaker 2: why did I ever think this? Why did I let

1127
00:44:25,832 --> 00:44:27,212
Speaker 2: that guy talk me into saying this?

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00:44:27,452 --> 00:44:33,232
Speaker 1: I threw away probably over 100 copies of books I

1129
00:44:33,252 --> 00:44:34,112
Speaker 1: wrote in my early years.

1130
00:44:34,132 --> 00:44:35,451
Speaker 3: Oh, boy. That I had left over.

1131
00:44:35,572 --> 00:44:35,832
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1132
00:44:36,252 --> 00:44:36,471
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1133
00:44:37,522 --> 00:44:37,792
Speaker 3: Gone.

1134
00:44:39,082 --> 00:44:40,552
Speaker 2: But, I mean, you're clearing a house, man.

1135
00:44:40,582 --> 00:44:41,762
Speaker 3: Because I don't know what I'm going to do with them.

1136
00:44:42,002 --> 00:44:42,221
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1137
00:44:42,322 --> 00:44:43,522
Speaker 3: If I want to read it, I'll just read one.

1138
00:44:44,122 --> 00:44:46,012
Speaker 2: It'd be interesting to think like somebody's going to find

1139
00:44:46,072 --> 00:44:48,232
Speaker 2: those in a landfill and be like, there's so many

1140
00:44:48,252 --> 00:44:49,992
Speaker 2: of these. And then somebody's going to be like, this

1141
00:44:50,052 --> 00:44:51,792
Speaker 2: is my, it's going to be there. That's going to

1142
00:44:51,832 --> 00:44:53,552
Speaker 2: be their 40 days of purpose.

1143
00:44:53,752 --> 00:44:54,112
Speaker 3: You think?

1144
00:44:54,692 --> 00:44:56,701
Speaker 2: Somebody's going to take off on that. It's something you don't,

1145
00:44:56,762 --> 00:44:58,922
Speaker 2: you're not necessarily even proud of anymore, but they're like,

1146
00:44:59,002 --> 00:45:00,102
Speaker 2: this is my Bible now.

1147
00:45:00,462 --> 00:45:02,942
Speaker 1: I do believe that you have to do this stuff.

1148
00:45:03,122 --> 00:45:05,542
Speaker 1: And that is the part I'm okay creatively. Like, hey,

1149
00:45:05,582 --> 00:45:06,642
Speaker 1: you got to be where you are.

1150
00:45:07,182 --> 00:45:07,342
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1151
00:45:07,522 --> 00:45:08,302
Speaker 3: In writing.

1152
00:45:08,322 --> 00:45:09,302
Speaker 2: It's a snapshot in time.

1153
00:45:09,522 --> 00:45:10,902
Speaker 3: You got to write in order to write.

1154
00:45:11,022 --> 00:45:13,822
Speaker 1: Like if you're not willing to write, then someday when

1155
00:45:13,842 --> 00:45:14,662
Speaker 1: you hopefully hate you.

1156
00:45:14,742 --> 00:45:16,102
Speaker 3: And I'm not sure I'm even there yet still.

1157
00:45:16,662 --> 00:45:16,822
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1158
00:45:17,262 --> 00:45:19,522
Speaker 1: I believe when I have better things to say, I

1159
00:45:19,522 --> 00:45:22,172
Speaker 1: have to have developed the ability to write those things

1160
00:45:22,692 --> 00:45:24,332
Speaker 1: in a way people can understand them.

1161
00:45:24,512 --> 00:45:27,112
Speaker 3: So, you know, I don't mind writing. It's just the

1162
00:45:27,152 --> 00:45:30,212
Speaker 3: content in places. I found no arrivals.

1163
00:45:30,852 --> 00:45:34,092
Speaker 1: That's 150,000 word manuscript that I turned into three books.

1164
00:45:34,352 --> 00:45:34,602
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1165
00:45:35,062 --> 00:45:36,842
Speaker 3: Found the full manuscript in a manuscript box.

1166
00:45:36,902 --> 00:45:37,622
Speaker 2: It's a trilogy.

1167
00:45:38,302 --> 00:45:39,362
Speaker 3: It's a, it was long.

1168
00:45:39,442 --> 00:45:43,502
Speaker 1: I remember my first agent was like, and I realized

1169
00:45:43,542 --> 00:45:44,642
Speaker 1: now he signed me to try to get.

1170
00:45:44,582 --> 00:45:45,282
Speaker 3: To Reggie dabs.

1171
00:45:45,982 --> 00:45:48,911
Speaker 1: Oh boy. And, um, so he was like, you know, yeah,

1172
00:45:48,932 --> 00:45:50,652
Speaker 1: I want you to want to name a shame. No,

1173
00:45:51,072 --> 00:45:53,312
Speaker 1: but he was like, he was like, I'm so glad

1174
00:45:53,352 --> 00:45:54,032
Speaker 1: that I had that experience.

1175
00:45:54,132 --> 00:45:54,352
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1176
00:45:54,392 --> 00:45:57,192
Speaker 1: But he was like, Hey, But I want to, whatever,

1177
00:45:57,212 --> 00:45:59,252
Speaker 1: I'm signing you as well. So whatever it is you want,

1178
00:45:59,292 --> 00:46:00,812
Speaker 1: kind of thing. And he did not sign with Reggie.

1179
00:46:00,832 --> 00:46:02,482
Speaker 1: Reggie did not sign with him, by the way. And

1180
00:46:02,522 --> 00:46:03,682
Speaker 1: he was like, bring me, I just want you to

1181
00:46:03,702 --> 00:46:05,201
Speaker 1: go write it out. I mean, everything in your heart,

1182
00:46:05,242 --> 00:46:06,742
Speaker 1: go write it out. I was like, dude, I'll see

1183
00:46:06,762 --> 00:46:07,502
Speaker 1: you in six months.

1184
00:46:07,722 --> 00:46:07,862
Speaker 4: Right.

1185
00:46:07,882 --> 00:46:08,562
Speaker 3: So I came back.

1186
00:46:08,762 --> 00:46:09,062
Speaker 4: Oh, boy.

1187
00:46:09,222 --> 00:46:11,262
Speaker 3: With the most enormous manuscript of my life.

1188
00:46:11,302 --> 00:46:12,542
Speaker 4: Yeah. And.

1189
00:46:13,402 --> 00:46:16,742
Speaker 1: He said, why don't you scale this back? He said, basically,

1190
00:46:16,762 --> 00:46:17,922
Speaker 1: he didn't even talk to me. He sent me like

1191
00:46:17,942 --> 00:46:21,212
Speaker 1: an email. I was like, basically, I'm paraphrasing. He was like, hey, yeah,

1192
00:46:21,232 --> 00:46:23,022
Speaker 1: I don't get it. Good.

1193
00:46:23,162 --> 00:46:24,362
Speaker 3: Best of luck to you in the future.

1194
00:46:24,662 --> 00:46:24,942
Speaker 1: Oh boy.

1195
00:46:25,022 --> 00:46:26,502
Speaker 3: Like it's over. Like that was it.

1196
00:46:26,522 --> 00:46:26,982
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1197
00:46:27,002 --> 00:46:28,102
Speaker 3: It was like, oh man.

1198
00:46:28,222 --> 00:46:29,742
Speaker 1: And so I turned into three books and then I

1199
00:46:29,802 --> 00:46:33,002
Speaker 1: had an offer from a, I think I had an

1200
00:46:33,062 --> 00:46:35,852
Speaker 1: offer from a, uh, I remember I had an offer

1201
00:46:35,892 --> 00:46:37,632
Speaker 1: coming from a denominational house.

1202
00:46:37,752 --> 00:46:37,971
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1203
00:46:38,972 --> 00:46:41,152
Speaker 1: And I remember like the day I was supposed to

1204
00:46:41,172 --> 00:46:44,852
Speaker 1: get the contract, they shut down like all their bookstores.

1205
00:46:45,352 --> 00:46:47,431
Speaker 1: That's when they were going to the digital books were

1206
00:46:47,452 --> 00:46:50,842
Speaker 1: beginning to take down, um, that brick and mortar houses.

1207
00:46:51,002 --> 00:46:51,242
Speaker 2: Oh boy.

1208
00:46:51,642 --> 00:46:53,442
Speaker 3: So, anyway, found it, though. Johnny, you can read it

1209
00:46:53,722 --> 00:46:55,241
Speaker 3: if you want it. It's in there.

1210
00:46:55,342 --> 00:46:55,862
Speaker 2: Can I?

1211
00:46:56,482 --> 00:46:57,322
Speaker 3: Okay. I kept that.

1212
00:46:58,822 --> 00:46:59,022
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1213
00:46:59,042 --> 00:47:02,182
Speaker 2: Man, three books. But, I mean, look, you got it

1214
00:47:02,242 --> 00:47:03,262
Speaker 2: out of your system.

1215
00:47:03,962 --> 00:47:05,242
Speaker 1: I did, and I think there's some good stuff in

1216
00:47:05,262 --> 00:47:07,272
Speaker 1: there still. Yeah, now you can throw that into an

1217
00:47:07,352 --> 00:47:10,232
Speaker 1: AI generator and say, like, hey, can you make me

1218
00:47:10,372 --> 00:47:11,172
Speaker 1: one book from this?

1219
00:47:12,532 --> 00:47:13,912
Speaker 3: Can you take this and make it good?

1220
00:47:14,312 --> 00:47:17,932
Speaker 2: No. Maybe a few pictures for people like me, you know?

1221
00:47:18,362 --> 00:47:20,352
Speaker 2: Throw in, like, give me something.

1222
00:47:20,372 --> 00:47:22,152
Speaker 1: I want to hear from our listeners. If John and

1223
00:47:22,192 --> 00:47:24,612
Speaker 1: Johnny wrote a book together, what kind of book do

1224
00:47:24,652 --> 00:47:26,432
Speaker 1: you want? What are you wanting out of us?

1225
00:47:26,432 --> 00:47:29,752
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you want something that's more inspirational? Do you

1226
00:47:29,812 --> 00:47:32,732
Speaker 2: want my story? Do you want road stories? Do you

1227
00:47:32,792 --> 00:47:35,122
Speaker 2: want funny content only?

1228
00:47:36,042 --> 00:47:37,442
Speaker 3: Do you want the John and Johnny story?

1229
00:47:38,502 --> 00:47:39,222
Speaker 2: We've got stories.

1230
00:47:39,242 --> 00:47:39,982
Speaker 3: Well, you've got a lot of them.

1231
00:47:40,022 --> 00:47:41,242
Speaker 2: For almost 30 years, we've known each other.

1232
00:47:41,342 --> 00:47:41,522
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1233
00:47:42,082 --> 00:47:42,842
Speaker 3: That's a long time.

1234
00:47:43,042 --> 00:47:44,942
Speaker 2: It's too long. Yeah.

1235
00:47:45,082 --> 00:47:45,972
Speaker 3: I think it's time to call it.

1236
00:47:47,022 --> 00:47:47,092
Speaker 4: Yep.

1237
00:47:48,512 --> 00:47:51,632
Speaker 1: Someone did yesterday ask me if they said we should

1238
00:47:51,672 --> 00:47:53,892
Speaker 1: do a little live event tour for the podcast.

1239
00:47:54,252 --> 00:47:54,431
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1240
00:47:54,452 --> 00:47:55,792
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm not sure there's enough people out

1241
00:47:55,812 --> 00:47:56,512
Speaker 3: there for a tour.

1242
00:47:56,992 --> 00:47:58,292
Speaker 2: We could do, we need to do the live show though.

1243
00:47:58,312 --> 00:47:59,202
Speaker 3: But event, I think an.

1244
00:47:59,202 --> 00:48:01,822
Speaker 1: Episode 400 cause we're like almost three 50.

1245
00:48:01,822 --> 00:48:03,502
Speaker 2: Yeah. Let's start planning that.

1246
00:48:03,702 --> 00:48:05,702
Speaker 3: It needs to be somewhere in Nashville probably.

1247
00:48:06,102 --> 00:48:06,661
Speaker 2: Let us know too.

1248
00:48:06,922 --> 00:48:08,902
Speaker 1: We've said this before and there wasn't enough interest, but

1249
00:48:08,922 --> 00:48:10,692
Speaker 1: there's a lot of new listeners now. If we did

1250
00:48:10,712 --> 00:48:14,392
Speaker 1: a live show and we just did a live recording basically,

1251
00:48:14,432 --> 00:48:17,342
Speaker 1: maybe a two hour special or something somewhere in Nashville, uh, How.

1252
00:48:17,282 --> 00:48:19,342
Speaker 3: Many of you would want to come? It'd have to

1253
00:48:19,362 --> 00:48:21,322
Speaker 3: be like at least 100 of you. Probably. For us

1254
00:48:21,342 --> 00:48:21,902
Speaker 3: to pull this off.

1255
00:48:21,922 --> 00:48:22,282
Speaker 2: To make it.

1256
00:48:22,662 --> 00:48:23,282
Speaker 3: So, yeah.

1257
00:48:23,422 --> 00:48:23,822
Speaker 1: Let us know.

1258
00:48:24,182 --> 00:48:24,701
Speaker 3: Send us an email.

1259
00:48:24,722 --> 00:48:26,832
Speaker 2: Or we could just double, double, double like the audio

1260
00:48:26,852 --> 00:48:28,512
Speaker 2: in the room. Yeah. Make it sound.

1261
00:48:28,752 --> 00:48:30,442
Speaker 3: But for the 10 of you that do show up,

1262
00:48:30,452 --> 00:48:31,452
Speaker 3: that's going to be awkward.

1263
00:48:31,972 --> 00:48:32,132
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1264
00:48:32,292 --> 00:48:33,692
Speaker 3: We don't want to do that for you.

1265
00:48:33,712 --> 00:48:34,192
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1266
00:48:34,952 --> 00:48:37,112
Speaker 1: So, what if we did those things where like, but

1267
00:48:37,132 --> 00:48:42,332
Speaker 1: the 10 of you each paid like $ 2, 000.

1268
00:48:39,932 --> 00:48:40,692
Speaker 3: For your ticket. Right.

1269
00:48:40,712 --> 00:48:41,542
Speaker 2: It's like an experience.

1270
00:48:41,562 --> 00:48:42,232
Speaker 3: That worked out.

1271
00:48:42,312 --> 00:48:43,502
Speaker 2: You get the full experience.

1272
00:48:43,822 --> 00:48:48,322
Speaker 3: Yeah, like a personalized podcast recording.

1273
00:48:48,342 --> 00:48:49,982
Speaker 2: You get a hat. I don't know what you get,

1274
00:48:50,042 --> 00:48:50,422
Speaker 2: a mug?

1275
00:48:52,382 --> 00:48:54,622
Speaker 1: Well, guys, hey, check out the new YouTube videos when

1276
00:48:54,642 --> 00:48:59,822
Speaker 1: they come out. We are almost caught up now. We

1277
00:48:59,902 --> 00:49:00,662
Speaker 1: were behind there.

1278
00:49:00,542 --> 00:49:03,122
Speaker 2: For a while. All the episodes are on our YouTube channel.

1279
00:49:03,292 --> 00:49:04,682
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't know. This one might take a

1280
00:49:04,712 --> 00:49:07,092
Speaker 3: week or two to catch up, but they'll be there.

1281
00:49:07,632 --> 00:49:09,532
Speaker 2: Shout out to our producer, Lucas, who helps with that.

1282
00:49:09,792 --> 00:49:11,192
Speaker 3: Lucas really helps out a lot. Thank you, Lukey.

1283
00:49:11,852 --> 00:49:13,682
Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys listening every week, man. Let's do

1284
00:49:13,702 --> 00:49:15,222
Speaker 1: it again next week here on Talk About That.

1285
00:49:44,562 --> 00:49:44,732
Speaker 4: Hmm.