1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 2: Hey Lenna, thanks for joining me. 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. It's good to 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: see you. 5 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 3: Leanna Crawford Award winning artist as our guests. You have 6 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 3: a second album coming out in July the twenty sixth. 7 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 3: Thank God is the name of it. 8 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 2: I think it's even better than the first one, so 9 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 2: I think people are going to really enjoy it. 10 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 3: Second albums are not easy, Leanna. They always call them 11 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 3: sophomore projects. Tell me the story behind thank God. It 12 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 3: seems to be filled with lots of personal stories. 13 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, thank you. That's so kind. 14 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, still waters my first record, I feel 15 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 4: like it was like the culmination of kind of like 16 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 4: over the course of a few years. Actually, Like some 17 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 4: of the songs were even from when I first moved 18 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 4: to Nashville on the record, which is kind of crazy. 19 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 4: So like all the songs were like kind of written 20 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 4: over the span of a few years anyways, And it 21 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 4: was very much like a healing record for me, like 22 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 4: I really needed and I mean I need to write 23 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 4: all my songs like they're very much like I'm writing, 24 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 4: you know, my dre huntries these songs like I need them. 25 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 4: But thank God I feel like was written in a 26 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:07,199 Speaker 4: more traditional timeline. So like when I finished The Waters, 27 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 4: I started to work on thank God, and I definitely 28 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 4: had like a vision for it kind of overall, but 29 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 4: it sort of took shape on its own. 30 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: Like I had a different title for it. I had 31 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: a different you know, almost. 32 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 4: Idea, and as I started to write these songs and 33 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:23,639 Speaker 4: just like being in the writing room, I was like, actually, 34 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 4: I think this album is needs to be called thank God, 35 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 4: and it's just about almost looking back and being I mean, 36 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 4: like even the title track, thank God is like I'm 37 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 4: so thankful that, like God's in charge and I'm not. 38 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: I'm thankful that for all the. 39 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 4: Times that he said no, because I know he doesn't 40 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 4: waste anything, even if it doesn't always make sense to me, 41 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 4: Like I know his plan is so much better than mine. 42 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 4: And so yeah, I mean it was definitely like it was. 43 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 4: It was so fun to make this record, I think 44 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 4: just because it was like a little more It was 45 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 4: the first time I'd done like a little more traditional 46 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 4: like yeah, Okay, it's going to be written in this 47 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 4: amount of time and we kind of have a plan. 48 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: And it was really fun to make. 49 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 2: There are several personal uh, I think they're personal. It's 50 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: they sound personal. I listen to them matter about how 51 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: personal they are. A living Room Floor is one of 52 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: them that sounds really personal. 53 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 3: It paints a picture of someone in despair on the 54 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 3: floor crying out to God. 55 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 2: A second one is Ask Him Again. Those seem to 56 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 2: be similar themes thematically. Some of the inspiration behind those two, 57 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:24,519 Speaker 2: those two songs. 58 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, living room Floor is actually, as we were 59 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,679 Speaker 4: writing it, kind of talking about the story of Mary 60 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 4: and Martha when Jesus came to hang out with them 61 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 4: for like the untually you know, not. 62 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: This is not how Scripture would say it, but like, 63 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: you know, Jesus is. 64 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 4: There and Martha is running around trying to get some done, 65 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 4: get ready for Gas and the disciples, and she's probably 66 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 4: cooking and cleaning all things. And then Mary is just 67 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,119 Speaker 4: like sitting at the feet of Jesus. And with those 68 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 4: two sisters. I've always related to Martha more than Mary, 69 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,399 Speaker 4: and Martha like calls out her sister Mary in front 70 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 4: of Jesus and she's like, hey, Jesus, like, you know, 71 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 4: why don't you tell Mary to come help me? 72 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: Like I'm trying to do all these good things. 73 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 4: I'm trying to get everything ready, and Jesus basically says, 74 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 4: like Mary has chosen the better thing by like sitting 75 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 4: at my feet. And it's really hard for me to 76 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 4: like think that way. I feel like because I feel 77 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 4: like I need to do all these things. I need 78 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 4: to do all these things and then I'll be enough 79 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 4: and then I can be loved and then I can 80 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 4: sit with Jesus. And it's like, no, he actually just 81 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 4: wants me. He just wants my presence. He just wants 82 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 4: me to sit with him. He doesn't care about my 83 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 4: to do list, he doesn't care about all these other 84 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 4: things I have to get done. And so it's very 85 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 4: opposite what I feel like is natural for me. 86 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: But that's why like. 87 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 4: Writing it, like I that song is very much like, Hey, 88 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 4: this is where I want to be. 89 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: I want to sit at the feet of Jesus. 90 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 4: And whether that's physically like in my living room floor 91 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 4: where I do a lot of my you know, DeVos 92 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 4: in prayer time, or if it's you know, out on 93 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 4: a prayer walk with Jesus, or if it's in my car, 94 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 4: but just like having a moment where it's just me 95 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 4: and him, there's no like nothing, you know, like I 96 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 4: can just come, and that's really hard for me to do, 97 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 4: to like just be like, Okay, I can just come 98 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 4: and he can love me just as I am. And 99 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 4: so that is very much why it feels very personal. 100 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 4: It's because it is it's very like I need that 101 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 4: song and I need to, you know, sing those words 102 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 4: and then ask him again. I read it last summer 103 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 4: and it was kind of at the end of a 104 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 4: week where we'd sort of had this mini writing camp 105 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 4: and I'm pretty sure, and I had all these different 106 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 4: writers come in and I just kind of shared my 107 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 4: kind of personally where I was at. And I had 108 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 4: been praying for this thing for a long time and 109 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 4: I felt like it was a good thing, and I 110 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 4: felt like God just like wasn't answering this prayer. And 111 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 4: I shared that with my co writers and they were 112 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 4: just so I think sometimes in a room like that, 113 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 4: it's like you want to be vulnerable and like share, 114 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 4: but then it's also like, well, what do I you know, 115 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 4: Like it's just like this weird thing of like we're 116 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 4: about to write my personal story and I'm an open book, 117 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 4: like I'll share all the things. 118 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: I probably share too much sometimes, but it. 119 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 4: Just sometimes like I shared this and then I remember 120 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 4: one of the co writers, Kirby Caple, she just said, hey, 121 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 4: I've been there, and I felt the exact same way, 122 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 4: and this is like a prayer that I've had. And 123 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,679 Speaker 4: she actually had this reminder on her phone every day 124 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 4: and it just said ask him again, like ask him again, 125 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 4: pray again. 126 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my gosh, that's like literally 127 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 1: what I mean. 128 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 4: And so we ended up writing that song, and so yeah, 129 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 4: as as you heard us very much, that song is 130 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 4: probably the one leading up to the record. 131 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: And just like when we got that demo, I just 132 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: listened to that song over and over and over and over. 133 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 4: Again, that song specifically, and I listened to this record 134 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 4: so much. 135 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: I love it. 136 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 4: I'm so excited about it and just love it. But 137 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 4: that song specifically, I would just honestly cry to it 138 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 4: a lot of times to ask assi bro like, it 139 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 4: was very very personal. 140 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: So I knew that one for sure. 141 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 2: That's when when a song makes you cry, you know 142 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 2: you've hit you you know you've hit the bulls eye. 143 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 2: I like that. 144 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 3: Leanna, You've built a strong connection with young young women 145 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 3: and girls through songs like mean Girls Still Waters. You 146 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 3: have a song on this album called her. You might 147 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 3: have several other ones fit this scene as well. I'm 148 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 3: not sure, but that one kind of struck me. 149 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 2: Tell me the story behind her, and what do you 150 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: hope teen girls and young women kind of get out 151 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 2: of that song and other songs of similar themes, because 152 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 2: it does seem like that you are writing from your 153 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 2: heart on this issue. 154 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I had wanted to write a song like 155 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 4: this for a long time. I mean, I think there's 156 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 4: some really good songs out there about comparison and about 157 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 4: you know this, you know, this. 158 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: Thing that we all struggle with, especially is as. 159 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 4: Women and young women, and I think as you you know, 160 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 4: get into especially like middle school and high school and 161 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 4: even college, like you know, and that's kind of my 162 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 4: my song being girls like it doesn't just go away 163 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 4: as you get older, you know, you kind of still 164 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 4: feel those things. But I had wanted to write this 165 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 4: song for a long time just because it's some I've 166 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 4: I struggle with. But I was like, how can I 167 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 4: write a song about comparison without like putting the other 168 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 4: girl down? Without like how can we both be okay 169 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 4: with the gifts that God has given us? And that's 170 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 4: a beautiful thing, like it's a good thing. It's a 171 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 4: beautiful thing that like He's made, you know, some girls 172 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 4: like this. 173 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 1: He's made some girls like this, and we're. 174 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 4: All different, and we all, you know, paint this beautiful picture. 175 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 4: We all kind of have different colors, different colors that 176 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 4: we get to bring to the world. And I think 177 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 4: that's what like I this song, like writing it. It's 178 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 4: just been really sweet. And I've shared this song. It's 179 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 4: definitely no one's heard it really yet, but I've shared 180 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 4: this song live, like this spring, we did a Girl's tour, 181 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 4: we did the Sisterhood tour, and then I've just kind 182 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 4: of shared it live just you know, me sort of 183 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 4: playing it on guitar, and it's been really sweet to 184 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 4: hear even before it's out, the connection that it's made to, 185 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 4: you know, especially young girls. 186 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: But I just think we all kind of. 187 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 4: Need it, Like I need this, you know, I need 188 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 4: this reminder and that's why I wrote it. 189 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: But yeah, my prayer is just like that. 190 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 4: It's it's beautiful, like God made you in such a 191 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 4: unique way, and it's okay to like recognize that this 192 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 4: this girl you're comparing yourself, like she has different gifts 193 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 4: and that's okay, and it's actually beautiful and that's hard 194 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 4: for us to do, Like, that's hard for me to do. 195 00:07:58,680 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: It's not natural. 196 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 4: Because it just it feels like, well, if she has 197 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 4: these gifts, that means well, I'm failing in these areas, 198 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 4: which just like isn't true. But we want to tell 199 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 4: ourselves that. And so, yeah, I hope that it's a 200 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 4: song that it's just like it is a reminder to 201 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 4: just like build each other up, to encourage each other 202 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 4: to hopefully just be like, Okay, I'm good like here 203 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 4: right where God made me. 204 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 2: Amen to that. 205 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 3: I heard that song on your Sisterhod tour and I 206 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 3: have a daughter, and it was bringing, you know, tears 207 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 3: to my eyes. It's so powerful and so I know 208 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 3: people are going to enjoy that one. Do you enjoy 209 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 3: writing songs as much as you enjoy singing them? It 210 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 3: seems like songwriting is something that is really close to 211 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 3: your heart and what are your thoughts behind that? 212 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 2: I mean, is this something that you just really enjoy? 213 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 4: Yeah? 214 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: I didn't. 215 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 4: There was a few years ago kind of actually before 216 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 4: Still Waters came out. 217 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: It was like, I mean it's been and now twenty 218 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: twenty six, is it? Yeah? Yes, I was like, what 219 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: here is it? 220 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 4: And there was a season where songwriting was like really 221 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 4: hard for me. It's always been a way for me 222 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 4: like process life, but songwriting had just been like this 223 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 4: this thing that I always loved, and then for there 224 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 4: was a season when it was became just really tough 225 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 4: and I just couldn't write a song. And it was 226 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 4: just like a lot of insecurities talking about comparison and 227 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 4: all this stuff. 228 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: You know her that's why I needed. 229 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,719 Speaker 4: To write it, but it's a lot of insecurities. I 230 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 4: kind of felt like I'd let everybody down. And this 231 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 4: beautiful thing that I'd done for a long time of 232 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 4: just being able to process and I feel like talk 233 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 4: to God through songwriting, I couldn't do. So it took 234 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 4: me some years to get back to like loving it, 235 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 4: and still Waters was kind of the start, and a 236 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 4: lot of songs on that record it was like me 237 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 4: falling in love with songwriting again. And so it's not 238 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 4: always an easy thing. I usually come home and I'm 239 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 4: like totally exhausted from songwriting, but it's. 240 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: So like it's interesting. 241 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 4: It's like I do love it so much, especially like 242 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 4: getting to write like share an idea, bring that to 243 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 4: the room and getting to write, Like I get to 244 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 4: write with some incredible co writers and songwriters and they're 245 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 4: like amazing, and so I feel like I learned so 246 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 4: much from them, and we're all kind of processing, like 247 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 4: we're all polling from our life experiences, and so that 248 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,479 Speaker 4: even the collaborative part of it felt like really intimidating 249 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 4: at first, and sometimes it still is, but it's mostly beautiful, 250 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 4: and it's like mostly really fun, and it's like you're 251 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 4: just hanging out and you're doing your best to kind 252 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 4: of like shape and like you know, chisel. 253 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: Away at the song whenever it's supposed to be. 254 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 4: And so when you get a song that you're like, Okay, 255 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 4: I feel like this is like this is what it 256 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 4: doesn't always happen, you know, And I think that makes 257 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 4: it even more special, is like, you know, it doesn't 258 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 4: always happen for me at least. 259 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: I mean, there's some songwriters you. 260 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 4: Know that are always they're just you know, doing the 261 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 4: thing every time, but it does always happen. And so 262 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 4: when it does and you get a song that you're like, wow, 263 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 4: I this is exactly what I wanted to say. 264 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 1: I feel like this tells it it's so special. 265 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 4: But yeah, I actually really enjoy the songwriting process most 266 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 4: of the time. I mean I think with anything, you know, 267 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 4: you got your good days and bad days. But most 268 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 4: of the time I love it. 269 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 2: I really do. 270 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 3: One of the songs that I'm excited about on this 271 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 3: album is called Revenge, and it really struck me because 272 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 3: it preaches the gospel. But it kind of catches your 273 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 3: eye because of the title, because I clicked on it 274 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 3: listening to the preview and I was like, what is 275 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 3: this even about? This is a song called revenge on 276 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 3: a Christian album. But the more I listened to it, 277 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 3: the more I thought, Wow, this is really good. And 278 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 3: of course the one of the choruses is one of 279 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 3: the part of the choruses, what if forgiveness is the 280 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 3: best kind of revenge? 281 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 2: I think that's how it goes. Why did you want 282 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 2: to write that? And what was the heart behind that? 283 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think forgiveness is not non easy 284 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 4: thing all the time. It definitely doesn't come naturally that 285 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 4: I think. There's there's obviously I know this from personal experience. 286 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 4: There's so much freedom and forgiveness and I think I 287 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 4: had I had kind of I actually had this conversation. 288 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: With one of my friends, and we were talking on. 289 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 4: The phone and she was kind of processing some things 290 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,719 Speaker 4: she was going through in some relationship. 291 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: And as she was kind of sharing that, I think I. 292 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 4: Just had this realization, Like I was like, oh, I 293 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 4: think I need to kind of like says this a 294 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 4: little bit more for some you know, maybe some unforgiveness 295 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 4: that I'm holding onto my heart in my own life. 296 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: And so I remember we hung. 297 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 4: Up the phone and I like sat at my piano 298 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 4: and I just started to like write down this idea 299 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 4: and sort of this thought. And it was the first 300 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 4: time that I actually had written with Jimmy Robbins, who's 301 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 4: my co writer on this song, and he's more of 302 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 4: like a country songwriter. 303 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: Actually, he's incredibly brilliant. 304 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 4: He's written so many songs and an awesome just believer 305 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 4: loves the Lord, and we just had this great time. 306 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 4: I felt like I was learning so much from him. 307 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 4: He's just like brilliant. But we started to write this. 308 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 4: We wrote the song and it came out actually pretty quick. 309 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 4: We wrote it very quick, and it was just like, Okay, 310 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 4: I really needed this reminder of just like I think God, 311 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 4: like what God can do with forgiveness, it doesn't necessarily 312 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 4: mean those relationships are always restored, and I think that's 313 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 4: okay like that, but like, I had held so much 314 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 4: bitterness in my heart, and I mean, I don't like 315 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 4: using the word hate, but I had, you know, some 316 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 4: like I just had some strong feelings and I really 317 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 4: had to pray about it, and God was so kind 318 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 4: and just being like, you know, over time, he just 319 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 4: like he helped me forgive that person to where I 320 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 4: don't have to have a relationship with them, but I can, Yeah, 321 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 4: I can love them through the eyes of Jesus, you know, 322 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 4: like I can love them from Afar and I can 323 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 4: pray for them or whatever, and it actually can be 324 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 4: such a beautiful thing and freeing thing. And that person 325 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 4: probably doesn't even know that I'm holding onto that in 326 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 4: my heart, like probably doesn't even know that I'm like 327 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 4: still feeling those things. But it's like, actually, I don't 328 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 4: have a bitterness towards him anymore. And so that song 329 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 4: was sort of like almost rapping a bow on that 330 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 4: little season, on that little journey of just being like, okay, like, yeah, 331 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 4: it is forgiveness is the best. 332 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: Kind of for revenge. 333 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 4: I think, you know, and kind of a cheeky way 334 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 4: to say that, but we know, you know what I'm saying. 335 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 1: But it is like there's so much freedom in it. 336 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 4: And I do fully believe that like God answers our 337 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 4: prayers when we ask, even if it's so hard and 338 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 4: like unimaginable, Like that's what Jesus does, Like he he 339 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 4: does the things that we think are impossible, and so 340 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 4: I absolutely believe that he. 341 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, like he gives us just so much 342 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: freedom in giveness. 343 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited about how that's going to impact audiences 344 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 2: as well. I mean it's impacted you, but I think 345 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 2: you write these songs the impact others, and I think 346 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 2: it's going to do that. 347 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 3: As we land the play here, let me ask you 348 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 3: a couple more questions. Well, what do you hope this album? 349 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 3: How do you hope this album impacts your fans? It 350 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 3: comes out July the twenty six for those who missed 351 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 3: that earlier. How do you hope this impacts fans? 352 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I My prayer is like there's a through line 353 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 4: of hope. I think, you know, writing my own story, 354 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 4: like you said, like I'm writing these songs says I 355 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 4: need them, But my prayer is always that someone can 356 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 4: hear these songs, hear a song maybe and be like, oh, 357 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 4: how did she write my story? 358 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: That's how I feel about music. 359 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 4: A lot of times I'm like, someone wrote this song 360 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh, I feel like they knew exactly 361 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 4: what I was going through, even if we were having 362 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 4: a totally different experience. And so my prayer is just 363 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 4: like that one that they feel seen and known and 364 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 4: loved by the God of the universe who said his 365 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 4: son Jesus, and I like, that's my that's my prayer 366 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 4: that there's always that through line. But then I also like, 367 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 4: I think it's just like life can be so sweet 368 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 4: and exciting when we choose to trust Jesus, and it's 369 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 4: still scary sometimes, but like I hope that there's just 370 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 4: like this idea of hope throughout the album and that 371 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 4: there's so much joy that can be found in Jesus. 372 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: There's so much hope and love. 373 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 4: I'm not always easy and we're still in this crazy 374 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 4: world and all the ups and downs and all things 375 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 4: we experience as humans, but just yeah, my prayers that 376 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 4: there's a through line of hope. 377 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know you're not alone? Amen to that. 378 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 3: Let me ask you a fun question before we close here, 379 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 3: and I ask you, actually you know and I discussed 380 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 3: this on the red carpet at the k Loves, but 381 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 3: I want to ask you again. For those who didn't 382 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 3: catch that interview, your husband went to Indiana. He played 383 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 3: in the NBA as well, of course, which means you're 384 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 3: an Indiana fan. 385 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 2: You guys had a really good football season. You got 386 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 2: you were posting pictures on Instagram of you and your 387 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 2: husband at the football games. For those who don't know 388 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 2: and knows who are not at sports fans, Indiana football 389 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 2: it's been pretty bad for about one hundred years, off 390 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 2: and on. They've had some good teams, but mostly bad. 391 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 2: And they won the whole thing this year. They won 392 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 2: the national championship and it just shocked everybody. And of course, 393 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 2: you guys got to enjoy that. 394 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 3: And you were posting pictures on your Instagram and your 395 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 3: social media of you and your husband at those games. 396 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 3: And I was watching those games on TV, so it 397 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 3: was kind of cool to see somebody that I had 398 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 3: contact with. 399 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: Being at the game. What were you what were your 400 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 2: emotions during during those during that title run? I mean, 401 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 2: did did was? Was he was he confident that they 402 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 2: could do this, that they could win it all? 403 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean I think my husband's a big, you know, 404 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 4: football fan in general, and he was he played basketball, 405 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 4: but he's a big college football fan, and so for 406 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 4: him to be able to like, you know, genuinely cheer 407 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 4: on his Indiana team was exciting for him. And of 408 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 4: course I just married into it, so I had a 409 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 4: good time. So I was very excited. I'm big, you know, 410 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 4: big Indiana supporter. 411 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: I love him. 412 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 4: I mean, I think it was just like it was 413 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 4: the Cinderella story that everybody was like, there's no way 414 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,199 Speaker 4: this can happen, and then all of a sudden, they 415 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,239 Speaker 4: kept winning and they kept winning, and then everybody then 416 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 4: it was like, well, my team's not anymore, so I'm 417 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 4: in a cheer for Indiana. Then it was kind of 418 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 4: like the whole country is like cheering for Indiana. It's 419 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 4: like the impossible saying, and it's like just one of 420 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 4: those things. I feel like, you know, I love a 421 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 4: good sports movie and like when the underdog like wins 422 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 4: and you know, they really probably weren't the underdogs, but 423 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 4: they were, you know, like it was just like the impossible. 424 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 4: I guess they were the underdogs, but like it was 425 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 4: so fun. It was so emotional. I mean it was 426 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 4: emotional for. 427 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 1: Me, even though I didn't grow up in Indiana. 428 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,239 Speaker 4: I didn't like, you know, but just being able to 429 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 4: watch my husband Cody just like enjoy, Like he was 430 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 4: just so excited, and it just felt like, I mean, 431 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 4: everybody is so excited. 432 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: Like it was like the whole state. 433 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 4: And the whole country is so excited for Indiana, and 434 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 4: it felt really special. I mean, I love, I love 435 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 4: a good lie, I love football of basket, I love 436 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 4: I love me some sports, and so it was fun 437 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 4: for me as well, but it was it was kind 438 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 4: of emotional. I mean, it was very emotional for a 439 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 4: lot of us. But it was just special to get 440 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:01,719 Speaker 4: to go and be a part of it. And we 441 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 4: were kind of like it didn't really make sense even 442 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 4: for our schedules to go, but we were sort of 443 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 4: like this is we have to be there. And so 444 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 4: I was so excited that we did go, Like it 445 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 4: was it was really special to get to go and 446 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 4: be a part of it and like actually be there, 447 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 4: like it was it was really special. 448 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: So my husband was like, we're not missing it, like 449 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna do this. It's very spontaneous of us, but 450 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: it was great. 451 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 2: It was fun to watch, and you are correct, the 452 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 2: entire country outside of I guess Miami was cheering for 453 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 2: you guys. That's who you guys played. If I'm my 454 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 2: memory search correctly. 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