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Speaker 2: to Built Different. I'm Zach Clinton, your host, and each

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Speaker 2: At Built Different, our mission is to provide encouragement, hope,

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Speaker 2: and challenge to help push you past your limits and

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Speaker 2: reach goals you never thought possible. Colossians 2 verse 6 says,

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Speaker 2: So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord,

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Speaker 2: continue to live your lives in Him, rooted and built

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Speaker 1: Amen?

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Speaker 2: Now let's roll. What's going on everybody and welcome back

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Speaker 2: in to this week's edition of the Built Different Podcast.

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Speaker 2: As always, I'll be your host today, Dr. Zach Clinton,

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Speaker 2: joined again by my co-host, Mr. Joshua Broom. I missed you,

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Speaker 2: my friend. Thanks for joining me again.

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Speaker 1: Glad to be here.

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Speaker 2: Today we have an incredible conversation with a dear friend,

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Speaker 2: somebody who came all the way from Jacksonville, Florida, Denny Thompson.

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Speaker 2: Denny Thompson's a man who is a renowned Really one

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Speaker 2: of the nation's premier quarterback coaches. He is a mentor

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Speaker 2: to football players at every level. But on top of that,

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Speaker 2: he is the co-host of the Built for More podcast

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Speaker 2: alongside of Pastor Joby Martin. He's become a dear friend.

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Speaker 2: We broke some bread together last night. And God is

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Speaker 2: using this man in powerful ways. Danny, my friend, thanks

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Speaker 2: so much for joining us today.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I love this. I love this place, man. Lynchburg

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Speaker 1: has some mountains here. We don't have that in Florida.

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Speaker 1: We just have 120 degrees and just flat land. Isn't

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Speaker 1: that the truth, man? And the beach. I love Florida.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying every now and then it's good to

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Speaker 2: Denny, you know, today we're going to talk a lot

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Speaker 2: about strengthening our faith, sharpening our leadership, and really kind

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Speaker 2: of challenging our understanding of what greatness means and what

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Speaker 2: greatness looks like. You're somebody who I mentioned has worked

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Speaker 2: with some premier quarterbacks. I mean, we were talking about

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Speaker 2: some of them the other night. from Anthony Richardson, Fernando Mendoza,

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Speaker 2: Carson Beck, Brock Purdy, all these names, you've done some

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Speaker 2: cool things. And football season's right around the corner. But

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Speaker 2: on top of that, with Built for More, clearly God

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Speaker 2: is using you in powerful ways. You're wearing a lot

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Speaker 2: of different hats. I'm just interested up front, what are

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Speaker 2: you most excited about in this season with football season

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Speaker 2: about two weeks away?

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's a good question because football season's at the,

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Speaker 1: or football's at the bottom of that. Yes. It really is.

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Speaker 1: Built for More is just a blast. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: is just a blessing to, To be discipled live in

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Speaker 1: front of everybody for an hour and a half every

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Speaker 1: single week, that was the thought of it. The thought

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Speaker 1: of it, first off, I didn't think Joby would say yes.

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Speaker 1: That's the first thing, and he did. And then it

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Speaker 1: was like, I just want to get an hour with

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Speaker 1: every single week. And at the time, didn't even realize

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Speaker 1: what that would mean for me personally. Forget the podcast.

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Speaker 1: So that's always number one on my list right now.

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Speaker 1: is Bill for more is my priority. But inside of that,

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Speaker 1: what I'm learning through the different guests that we've had,

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Speaker 1: the creation and the cultivation of the relationships is what

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Speaker 1: determines the impact that I'm going to have both as

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Speaker 1: a coach and as just a man and a Christian man.

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Speaker 1: And it really is that simple, right? So if I

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Speaker 1: There's throwing mechanics or throwing mechanics, biomechanics or biomechanics. There's

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Speaker 3: What I love about you, Danny, is I think you

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Speaker 3: ask really insightful, genuine questions. And I think the same

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Speaker 3: thing that makes you really successful at coaching quarterbacks is

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Speaker 3: the same thing that God has you on this journey

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Speaker 1: What is the next right thing?

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Speaker 3: Because if I can't get that right, I'm not going

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll just say in every interaction I've ever had

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Speaker 1: And the best part, making relationships and just saying, like,

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Speaker 1: the rest of the world's getting to hear your story. Dude,

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Speaker 1: every time I see your post, I'm just like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: to say you're listening to Built Different. I'm Zach Clinton.

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Speaker 2: I'll be back with our guests to keep the conversation

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Speaker 2: flowing right after this. You're listening to Life Audio. There's

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Speaker 2: something about encouragement and walking alongside of brothers. Did you

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Speaker 2: know My dad told me years ago that the word encourage,

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Speaker 2: when broken down, actually means to give courage to.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. Like when you're encouraging one another, when we say

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Speaker 2: things like that to one another, it just gives us courage.

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Speaker 2: It fills our cup so that way we can continue

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Speaker 2: to walk out the calling that God has placed on

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Speaker 2: our hearts. And what I love about you and just

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Speaker 2: that idea of humility, I think Rick Warren said it

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Speaker 2: best when he said, Humility isn't thinking less of yourself, right?

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Speaker 2: Insecurity is just false humility. It's thinking of yourself less.

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Speaker 2: So putting people, maybe honoring them, putting them above yourself

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Speaker 2: and that's what you do you're not just a guru

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Speaker 2: who gives people the right answers who speaks at people

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Speaker 2: you're a guide who walks with these athletes who a

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Speaker 2: lot of times they don't have anyone they can trust

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Speaker 2: mean in men just in general The Cigna research survey

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Speaker 2: on loneliness is ridiculous. It's like 36% of people say

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Speaker 2: that they could turn to, but you get to be

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Speaker 2: what you do with it comes to quarterback development and

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Speaker 2: how God got you here to begin with. Like, talk

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Speaker 1: my job is to find what little Johnny doesn't do well,

429
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Speaker 1: and we are going to spend a lot of time

430
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Speaker 1: on that. And he has permission to fail. In fact,

431
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Speaker 1: I want him to fail, throw the worst ball you've

432
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Speaker 1: ever seen in your life, and we're going to figure

433
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Speaker 1: this thing out. But until we see what you've got

434
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Speaker 1: and what your engine looks like, we're just going to

435
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Speaker 1: be stuck in second gear.

436
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Speaker 3: I think Satan desperately wants us to be afraid of risk.

437
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And when we take inventory.

438
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Speaker 3: Of our life, God is far more impressed of the

439
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Speaker 3: risk that we were willing to take and the things

440
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Speaker 3: that we were open to move towards in contrast of

441
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Speaker 3: how perfect our life may have seemed. Yeah, I mean,

442
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Speaker 3: that's the substance of faith. And I'm just thinking about

443
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Speaker 3: from a quarterback standpoint, it's like, man, if you're afraid

444
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Speaker 3: to try to make that throw, if you never try

445
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Speaker 3: to make it, how will you know and how will

446
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Speaker 3: you ever get better? In the same way, if you

447
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Speaker 3: feel called to something and you see yourself as incapable

448
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Speaker 3: and you never try, I think it would be so

449
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Speaker 3: much more destructive As a man, as a woman, sitting

450
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Speaker 3: there at the end of your life, having a regret

451
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Speaker 3: of not doing the thing that you felt so passionately about.

452
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Speaker 1: 100% agree. And then we always talk about identity with

453
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Speaker 1: this stuff too. Yes. And the correlation is actually, I think,

454
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Speaker 1: one of the cooler things is because if I just

455
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Speaker 1: sit here and comfort my whole life, then I'm going

456
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Speaker 1: to think that God made me with a very limiting identity.

457
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Speaker 1: Like my purpose is limiting, but the only person limiting

458
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Speaker 1: that is me. Because I refuse to get out of comfort.

459
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Speaker 1: You know, all of us. And I think anybody you

460
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Speaker 1: talk to that has had any level of success, be

461
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: it professionally, marriage-wise, walk with God, there's been major points

462
00:23:45,940 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 1: of friction and tension in your life. Like huge, this

463
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Speaker 1: is proven, right? Yes. those are the times where you

464
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Speaker 1: either say, huh, I'm just not, I guess God made

465
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Speaker 1: me to just live this life over here and I

466
00:24:03,730 --> 00:24:06,190
Speaker 1: just need to be content over here, which contentment's a thing,

467
00:24:06,250 --> 00:24:10,390
Speaker 1: I get that. Or God gave you that opportunity to go,

468
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Speaker 1: holy cow, look what I can do through him. And

469
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Speaker 1: that's the fun part about where I'm at in life

470
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Speaker 1: right now is you can't tell me anything that I

471
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Speaker 1: can't do if God is the center of it. If

472
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Speaker 1: it points to Jesus, I have this as such arrogant

473
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Speaker 1: level of confidence through Jesus right now because he's already

474
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Speaker 1: shown me. I can't even explain to you why I'm

475
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Speaker 1: here other than God wants the three of us to

476
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Speaker 1: be together and a series of events happened for all

477
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Speaker 1: of us. Imagine you and I being in the same room,

478
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Speaker 1: 15 years ago. Couldn't wrap my head around it. Me

479
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Speaker 1: either on my part. You know what I mean? Think

480
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Speaker 1: about all of the things and all of the decisions

481
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Speaker 1: that we all made and huge steps of faith that

482
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Speaker 1: put the three of us in a room together. If

483
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Speaker 1: we would have all just sat there and been like,

484
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Speaker 1: you know what, man, as long as I stop cussing

485
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Speaker 1: a little bit more, don't cheat on my wife, I'll

486
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Speaker 1: be good. Imagine if I would have just stopped there.

487
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Speaker 3: I think your point about sanctification is so important because

488
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Speaker 3: sanctification is not about sinning less. It's about becoming more

489
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Speaker 3: like Jesus. And without stress, there can't be change. So

490
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Speaker 3: sanctification is a progressive term where my objective is to grow,

491
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Speaker 3: not to stay, not to guard myself. And I think

492
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Speaker 3: unless you're willing to put yourself out there, unless you're

493
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Speaker 3: willing to take risks, unless you're willing to do the

494
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Speaker 3: thing that God put on your heart to do— and

495
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Speaker 3: maybe fail, but fail forward, you'll stay stuck where you are,

496
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Speaker 3: and that doesn't honor God, and that's not beneficial for you.

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Speaker 1: And what's the risk? Like, really? You know, there's obviously, like,

498
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Speaker 1: there's actuaries and things like that. That's true risk-reward. I'm

499
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Speaker 1: not talking about that. Don't go jump out of a

500
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Speaker 1: plane without a parachute in the name of Jesus. That's

501
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Speaker 1: not what I'm saying. But when we're talking about little

502
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Speaker 1: things like, man, I really feel called to do this.

503
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Speaker 1: I should shoot a text or an email to my

504
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Speaker 1: pastor or I should, you know what I mean? What's

505
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Speaker 1: the risk? You know, ask the girl out. What's the risk?

506
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Speaker 1: What's the risk? The risk is the biggest risk that

507
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Speaker 1: you have in that, and I always am careful with this,

508
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Speaker 1: especially when I'm around a professional like you because I

509
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Speaker 1: don't have any science to back this up. This is

510
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Speaker 1: just me saying this. But I think the biggest risk

511
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Speaker 1: that people have in their life is their self-limiting risk.

512
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Speaker 1: is the fact that their biggest risk is they are

513
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Speaker 1: not willing to take the risk. They believe one thing

514
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Speaker 1: about themselves. God created them to be a whole other thing.

515
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Speaker 1: And there is a massive gap there that starts with

516
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Speaker 1: one step. And you can cover that gap with one step,

517
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Speaker 1: and you'll be surprised how quickly that gap covers. And

518
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Speaker 1: here's the bad news, though. When you fill that gap,

519
00:27:08,650 --> 00:27:10,290
Speaker 1: if you're doing this right, there's going to be another

520
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Speaker 1: gap that's created. And you're going to have to take

521
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Speaker 1: that step again and again. It just gets easier.

522
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's like the rules of life. If you

523
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Speaker 2: never ask, the answer is always no. If you don't

524
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Speaker 2: take the step, you'll always be where you are.

525
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Speaker 1: Right.

526
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Speaker 2: And it's like that comfort zone again is where dreams

527
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Speaker 2: go to die. And so it's realizing then. What do

528
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Speaker 2: I need to do to make sure that I push

529
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Speaker 2: the envelope a little bit and I get outside of

530
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Speaker 2: myself to really potentially put myself where God wants me

531
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Speaker 2: to be to go and do amazing things? Because we

532
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Speaker 2: talk about identity. I want to kind of camp out

533
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Speaker 2: there for a moment because I also want to talk

534
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Speaker 2: about and differentiate identity from confidence. Because confidence wavers, right?

535
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Speaker 2: There will be days where we feel on top of

536
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Speaker 2: the world. There will be days when we feel as

537
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Speaker 2: low as the dumps. There will be days when I'm,

538
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Speaker 2: let's just say as a quarterback, You're throwing it. You're

539
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Speaker 2: spinning it well. You can't make a mistake. It's like

540
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Speaker 2: you're invincible. There are other days that you're going to

541
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Speaker 2: be incredibly insecure, and you can't make a good throw

542
00:28:06,170 --> 00:28:09,190
Speaker 2: to save your life. But it's the recognition of where

543
00:28:09,210 --> 00:28:11,750
Speaker 2: does confidence come from to begin with. It comes from evidence.

544
00:28:12,290 --> 00:28:14,650
Speaker 2: It's like you have to do things afraid. You have

545
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Speaker 2: to make the risk. You have to make the bad pass.

546
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Speaker 2: You have to allow yourself. I love the word you

547
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Speaker 2: used a couple minutes ago, the permission to fail. Three

548
00:28:22,550 --> 00:28:25,470
Speaker 2: of the biggest lies that psychology has dubbed down in

549
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Speaker 2: the human nature is that you're worthless. you're helpless, or

550
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Speaker 2: you're unlovable. A lot of men, a lot of people

551
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Speaker 2: don't take risks because they're afraid of being viewed as worthless,

552
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Speaker 2: not good enough, I don't measure up, helpless, like, man,

553
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Speaker 2: I don't think I could ever get to where I

554
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Speaker 2: want to go to begin with. So we learn this

555
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Speaker 2: sense of helplessness or unlovable. If I make a mistake,

556
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Speaker 2: what if people don't love me? What if they won't

557
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Speaker 2: accept me? What if I don't belong? So we just

558
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:53,910
Speaker 2: stay stuck. And then it's this realization, though, Man, if

559
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Speaker 2: we want to achieve anything of greatness, like it comes

560
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Speaker 2: with the cost. It comes with the risk. We have

561
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Speaker 2: to allow ourself that permission. But in learning that, if

562
00:29:02,460 --> 00:29:05,860
Speaker 2: confidence comes from the evidence, doing things afraid, which then

563
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,460
Speaker 2: updates that neural pathway, the brain's always asking one question.

564
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Speaker 2: Can I handle this? When I have the evidence, look

565
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Speaker 2: back to, yeah, I can. Then all of a sudden

566
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Speaker 2: I step into the future with confidence. But identity, Denny,

567
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Speaker 2: is what all of these athletes, right, that we work

568
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Speaker 2: with on a daily basis is where it begins, right?

569
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Speaker 2: Because the best athletes don't have unshakable confidence. They have

570
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Speaker 2: unshakable identity. Speak to who are we as men? What

571
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Speaker 2: are we genuinely created for? Because purpose is different than

572
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Speaker 2: calling to. God created us for a unique purpose, and

573
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Speaker 2: then he gives us unique assignments to step out and into.

574
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Speaker 2: that purpose through our calling.

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Speaker 1: Speak to that, if you would. Yeah, well, a couple

576
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Speaker 1: different ways, I think, to speak to that. I'm an

577
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Speaker 1: analogy guy. I think most people who are in rooms

578
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Speaker 1: that aren't as educated use those analogies because I may

579
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: be confusing y'all, and y'all won't think I'm dumb. No,

580
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Speaker 1: I'm just kidding.

581
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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: I think about this often though. There's multiple places in

583
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Speaker 1: the Bible where this happens. If you would have asked

584
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Speaker 1: me five years ago, what talent has God given you

585
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Speaker 1: to expand his kingdom and what are you going to

586
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Speaker 1: be doing the rest of your life? I would have

587
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Speaker 1: said football. Yeah. Without question. And the thing I'm thankful

588
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Speaker 1: for is that I got around people that taught me

589
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Speaker 1: the Bible. And I realized that that changes.

590
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Speaker 3: Right?

591
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Speaker 1: And so if I was still doing the same thing

592
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Speaker 1: that I was doing before, because we're talking like I'm

593
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Speaker 1: training 12, 14 hours a day in Florida, you know,

594
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Speaker 1: and just saying, I love my job, you know, but

595
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Speaker 1: I'm getting older. You can't do that. I mean, I

596
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Speaker 1: was catching, I like to catch, right? So I get

597
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Speaker 1: a lot of data by catching. Just, I can feel

598
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Speaker 1: the ball, I feel the rotations, the whole thing. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Some of the best receivers in the world

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Speaker 1: will catch 200 balls a day a few days a

601
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Speaker 1: week for about six months to seven months a year.

602
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Speaker 1: But I was catching 1,200 balls a day.

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Happy as can be. And I would have told you

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Speaker 1: that my job was to be a good steward over

606
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Speaker 1: the high school quarterbacks that were being brought to me

607
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Speaker 1: at that time and that I'm very thankful that God

608
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Speaker 1: chose this path for me. If I would have stayed

609
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Speaker 1: there and made that my identity... I would have missed

610
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Speaker 1: out on the last three or four years because what

611
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:34,050
Speaker 1: God was doing was he was using that along with

612
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Speaker 1: some couple other crazy things that we can get into

613
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Speaker 1: to forge in me a desire to just see men

614
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Speaker 1: get closer to God and succeed. Not even football players, right?

615
00:31:47,260 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: And what I had access to, what he was granting

616
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Speaker 1: me access to was something that my brain could understand.

617
00:31:54,250 --> 00:31:58,070
Speaker 1: and was interested in enough to really, really pay attention

618
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Speaker 1: to some of the most successful and elite athletes in

619
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Speaker 1: the world and actually how they move and how they operate.

620
00:32:03,050 --> 00:32:06,850
Speaker 1: Inside of a biblical perspective, even with guys who don't

621
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Speaker 1: have that common bond with me, but still have a

622
00:32:11,340 --> 00:32:14,719
Speaker 1: lot of the laws of success that are biblical, you

623
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Speaker 1: know what I mean? They just don't realize it yet.

624
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Speaker 1: So I think part of this identity thing is being

625
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Speaker 1: willing to understand That you are not your job because

626
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Speaker 1: if you think you are your job, you're going to

627
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:32,770
Speaker 1: miss the next calling and the next calling and the

628
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Speaker 1: next assignment and all that. And there's an alignment with

629
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Speaker 1: God that has to stay true, right? Otherwise, you're just

630
00:32:42,900 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: going to be stuck and you're going to pigeonhole yourself

631
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Speaker 1: in one little area. And I just think that's sad.

632
00:32:49,620 --> 00:32:53,130
Speaker 1: It's sad. Because at some point, you're going to feel

633
00:32:53,150 --> 00:32:58,430
Speaker 1: the same emptiness. That you felt before you even got there.

634
00:32:58,870 --> 00:33:01,130
Speaker 1: Because that's what I felt. I mean, we had our

635
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,220
Speaker 1: first first round draft pick. And on the surface, I

636
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:10,380
Speaker 1: would have told you like, marriage is good. Business is good.

637
00:33:11,260 --> 00:33:16,300
Speaker 1: We're good. Bro, that's when God broke me. God broke

638
00:33:16,340 --> 00:33:18,140
Speaker 1: me at the bottom of the bottom. And then he

639
00:33:18,180 --> 00:33:21,420
Speaker 1: broke me again at where I hit my goals. And

640
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,150
Speaker 1: I was in church during a song. He won't fail.

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00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: I've got it tattooed. And literally just frozen, dude. Frozen.

642
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,500
Speaker 1: And came out of there and just went, thank you, God,

643
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: for everything you've given me, but I'm ready for the

644
00:33:39,060 --> 00:33:44,590
Speaker 1: next thing. And that was in 2023. And since then, man, listen,

645
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:47,890
Speaker 1: I'm still learning how to surrender, guys. But what I

646
00:33:47,970 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: have surrendered, unbelievable. My wife's health, she's been great. Um,

647
00:33:55,780 --> 00:33:59,070
Speaker 1: everything football related pocket. It's just Jesus related. It's not

648
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,290
Speaker 1: even like sectioned out anymore. I got like eight different

649
00:34:01,310 --> 00:34:03,990
Speaker 1: things going on, but the North star is all of

650
00:34:04,030 --> 00:34:07,250
Speaker 1: these things have to point to Jesus, you know? And

651
00:34:07,270 --> 00:34:09,970
Speaker 1: so if you're to answer long answer, if my identity

652
00:34:10,010 --> 00:34:13,410
Speaker 1: was as a football trainer, I wouldn't be here with y'all.

653
00:34:14,330 --> 00:34:16,390
Speaker 1: I'd be on social media bragging about who I train,

654
00:34:16,530 --> 00:34:21,089
Speaker 1: which now seems ridiculous. You know? Yeah.

655
00:34:21,450 --> 00:34:23,690
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm thinking about what you were saying about

656
00:34:23,730 --> 00:34:31,770
Speaker 3: catching balls and that providing feedback. And you can take

657
00:34:31,810 --> 00:34:34,189
Speaker 3: a lot of data away from that. And I think

658
00:34:35,010 --> 00:34:37,740
Speaker 3: arm strength, rotation, all that stuff. But when you think

659
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 3: about success and you see these guys.

660
00:34:41,460 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: From– we were talking with you. You've been with some

661
00:34:44,100 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: of these guys since they were seven, eight years old.

662
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:47,460
Speaker 1: What are some of these?

663
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 3: That you've seen in a young man become a grown

664
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Speaker 3: man that becomes, you know, an elite athlete. What are

665
00:34:55,700 --> 00:34:59,700
Speaker 3: some of the things that aren't arm strength or, you know,

666
00:35:00,260 --> 00:35:01,460
Speaker 3: other things outside of that?

667
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:06,620
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so many. So many. I would say like

668
00:35:06,890 --> 00:35:10,790
Speaker 1: on the very basic level, curiosity. If there's not a

669
00:35:10,930 --> 00:35:15,629
Speaker 1: genuine curiosity, you may just have a kid that you're

670
00:35:15,690 --> 00:35:20,100
Speaker 1: forcing to play football. He just heads up parents. If

671
00:35:20,140 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: your kid's going to football and then he's coming home

672
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:27,029
Speaker 1: and it's not football ever, then maybe making him do

673
00:35:27,050 --> 00:35:29,910
Speaker 1: something you don't want to do. You know what I mean?

674
00:35:29,930 --> 00:35:31,810
Speaker 1: But when you start to look at the ones that

675
00:35:31,830 --> 00:35:36,370
Speaker 1: have succeeded, curiosity is pretty high up there. There's the questions.

676
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:40,609
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, why this concept? Why that defense against

677
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:43,070
Speaker 1: this concept? What do they like to do out of

678
00:35:43,090 --> 00:35:46,820
Speaker 1: this defense? What does that mean? Constantly, what does that mean? Why? Why?

679
00:35:47,250 --> 00:35:51,750
Speaker 1: It's like a toddler. Why, why, why, why? Mechanically, like, okay,

680
00:35:51,770 --> 00:35:53,750
Speaker 1: what did you say the proper sequence was? And like,

681
00:35:53,810 --> 00:35:56,129
Speaker 1: what actually is ground force? And there's just, and you

682
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:58,710
Speaker 1: can tell very early on, you know, and listen, as

683
00:35:58,770 --> 00:36:01,190
Speaker 1: a coach, sometimes that's aggravating. Sometimes it's like, bro, just,

684
00:36:01,730 --> 00:36:04,989
Speaker 1: would you stop? You don't need to know why. But

685
00:36:05,070 --> 00:36:07,290
Speaker 1: as a dad, it's the same thing.

686
00:36:07,410 --> 00:36:10,180
Speaker 3: And it's, I think, but it points to the child

687
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 3: likeness that we see in the Bible. It's like, man,

688
00:36:13,610 --> 00:36:16,890
Speaker 3: if we're willing to stay curious, we're not supposed to

689
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:19,830
Speaker 3: know all the answers, but we're supposed to be curious

690
00:36:19,890 --> 00:36:24,060
Speaker 3: about what's going on. And if we continue to stay hungry,

691
00:36:24,100 --> 00:36:26,339
Speaker 3: we'll continue to grow. And the moment that we feel

692
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,779
Speaker 3: like we got it all figured out and Satan's got

693
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:29,620
Speaker 3: you exactly where you.

694
00:36:29,580 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: Want you to be. 100%. The other thing that I

695
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,489
Speaker 1: will say about intangibles, I just recently started talking about

696
00:36:36,530 --> 00:36:38,750
Speaker 1: this because it just recently popped in my head. I

697
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:41,910
Speaker 1: think there's a big intangible too with generational curses. Like

698
00:36:41,950 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: when you see You think about specifically the game of football. Man,

699
00:36:49,340 --> 00:36:53,850
Speaker 1: the situation some of these guys come out of, it's truly,

700
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:57,070
Speaker 1: especially in Florida, this is why Florida is such a

701
00:36:57,090 --> 00:37:00,890
Speaker 1: good football state. It is, I'm going to make it

702
00:37:00,930 --> 00:37:02,430
Speaker 1: here or I don't know that I'm going to make it.

703
00:37:02,570 --> 00:37:04,490
Speaker 1: That's where football is. You play some of these teams

704
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:08,089
Speaker 1: and it's like, you better bring it because this means

705
00:37:08,170 --> 00:37:11,370
Speaker 1: everything to them. And every now and then you see

706
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:14,939
Speaker 1: this guy I can think of probably 15 off the

707
00:37:15,180 --> 00:37:17,890
Speaker 1: top of my head like that. Where you meet them

708
00:37:18,030 --> 00:37:20,750
Speaker 1: and you know their family situation, it is horrid, man.

709
00:37:20,989 --> 00:37:25,170
Speaker 1: It is so sad. But they are just, they're on

710
00:37:25,210 --> 00:37:30,009
Speaker 1: a football field, they're smiling, and you can see how

711
00:37:30,050 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: much fun they're having and you can see what a

712
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: relief that is to them. And you can see, like,

713
00:37:34,620 --> 00:37:37,219
Speaker 1: they were put on this earth to be on that

714
00:37:37,260 --> 00:37:42,220
Speaker 1: football field. That's an intangible, man, that you cannot ignore.

715
00:37:44,090 --> 00:37:47,150
Speaker 1: Just because people before them made mistakes does not mean

716
00:37:47,170 --> 00:37:49,569
Speaker 1: the guy don't have a special calling on them. And

717
00:37:49,590 --> 00:37:53,529
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times, like coaches, because a

718
00:37:53,530 --> 00:37:56,050
Speaker 1: lot of times those guys can't pay. A lot of

719
00:37:56,090 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 1: times it's like, you know what I mean? That's the

720
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: good stuff over there. Because at the worst, what are

721
00:38:02,460 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: you doing? At the absolute worst, you're helping somebody in

722
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,310
Speaker 1: a dire situation. At the best, and we've had this

723
00:38:11,350 --> 00:38:13,969
Speaker 1: happen several times, and there's the most rewarding thing in

724
00:38:13,989 --> 00:38:17,890
Speaker 1: the world, you're hearing a kid's name called that just

725
00:38:17,930 --> 00:38:23,930
Speaker 1: changed his entire family's trajectory. Like, mom don't have to

726
00:38:23,969 --> 00:38:28,810
Speaker 1: work four jobs anymore. You know? Little brother can actually eat.

727
00:38:29,590 --> 00:38:33,190
Speaker 1: You know? And I've got chills talking about it because

728
00:38:33,250 --> 00:38:36,250
Speaker 1: it's like one of my whys. And now it's with

729
00:38:36,270 --> 00:38:39,140
Speaker 1: college because they get paid in college. You know? Now

730
00:38:39,180 --> 00:38:42,589
Speaker 1: it's like, Holy cow, I mean, this family just went

731
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:48,489
Speaker 1: from barely able to function. And listen, man, I've been there.

732
00:38:49,210 --> 00:38:53,150
Speaker 1: It's hard to do anything productive when you're in desperation.

733
00:38:54,050 --> 00:38:58,950
Speaker 1: It really is. And so that's an intangible I like

734
00:38:59,010 --> 00:39:03,250
Speaker 1: to really lean on. And, of course, all the things, coaches, daddy, hustles,

735
00:39:03,290 --> 00:39:08,069
Speaker 1: like whatever. Okay, cool, cute. Give me that dude over

736
00:39:08,110 --> 00:39:14,109
Speaker 1: there that– I've seen mom, I've seen dad, I've seen

737
00:39:14,130 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: the situation, and he's just different than his situation. And

738
00:39:17,060 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: when he gets on that football field, it's different. Give

739
00:39:20,140 --> 00:39:22,540
Speaker 1: me that guy. And he can be rough around the edges.

740
00:39:22,580 --> 00:39:25,730
Speaker 1: I'm fine with that. We can figure that out. That's

741
00:39:25,770 --> 00:39:29,190
Speaker 1: not a problem. I have no fear of any type

742
00:39:29,230 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: of tension with that. That is truly molding somebody right

743
00:39:33,380 --> 00:39:36,300
Speaker 1: there and calling and walking in the calling of God

744
00:39:36,340 --> 00:39:40,390
Speaker 1: because what is that kid? If that kid can come

745
00:39:40,430 --> 00:39:42,530
Speaker 1: out of that situation, what else does he have planned?

746
00:39:42,690 --> 00:39:44,489
Speaker 2: I feel like the two words that I hear you

747
00:39:45,130 --> 00:39:50,450
Speaker 2: stating are curious and resilience. Yes. So resilient, I've done

748
00:39:50,469 --> 00:39:52,529
Speaker 2: a lot of research on it. I kind of built

749
00:39:52,690 --> 00:39:56,410
Speaker 2: out a dissertation around resilience and human flourishing, and there's

750
00:39:56,510 --> 00:39:59,750
Speaker 2: no concrete definition of what it means to be resilient.

751
00:39:59,790 --> 00:40:02,140
Speaker 2: Trust me, in all the academic literature and all the data,

752
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: everybody has a different definition. But the common theme is

753
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: positive adaptation in the presence of adversity. So when tough

754
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,020
Speaker 2: times come, people are flexible enough to adapt and They

755
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,819
Speaker 2: don't just, in a sense, bounce back. They come back.

756
00:40:16,890 --> 00:40:19,990
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's a process. It's not instantaneous, but they commit

757
00:40:20,070 --> 00:40:23,690
Speaker 2: themselves to the longevity of what it might mean to

758
00:40:23,850 --> 00:40:24,469
Speaker 2: find a way.

759
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:25,150
Speaker 1: So it's interesting.

760
00:40:25,210 --> 00:40:29,630
Speaker 2: Curiosity was one of the actual root principles underneath the

761
00:40:29,690 --> 00:40:32,450
Speaker 2: whole study that I did on resilience. The most resilient

762
00:40:32,469 --> 00:40:35,130
Speaker 2: people in the world are the most curious and creative

763
00:40:35,410 --> 00:40:37,890
Speaker 2: because when that old saying would say the wall is

764
00:40:37,950 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 2: the way, when adversity strikes, a lot of people retreat.

765
00:40:42,070 --> 00:40:44,250
Speaker 2: They see a wall. And they're like, oh, that must

766
00:40:44,310 --> 00:40:45,710
Speaker 2: not be the way. I'm going to go somewhere else.

767
00:40:45,870 --> 00:40:48,870
Speaker 2: I'm going to go the easy route. The most resilient

768
00:40:48,890 --> 00:40:51,109
Speaker 2: people in the world, they see the wall and they're like,

769
00:40:51,310 --> 00:40:54,270
Speaker 2: that is the way. Because we talked about how growth

770
00:40:54,330 --> 00:40:57,089
Speaker 2: comes with resistance. So the most resilient people are like,

771
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:58,969
Speaker 2: I'm just going to find a way. Whether I have

772
00:40:58,989 --> 00:41:00,850
Speaker 2: to go around it, whether I grab a shovel and

773
00:41:00,870 --> 00:41:02,650
Speaker 2: I dig underneath it, whether I grab a brother and

774
00:41:02,670 --> 00:41:04,470
Speaker 2: he propels me over top of it, or whether I

775
00:41:04,530 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: just run through it because I dared to believe there

776
00:41:06,820 --> 00:41:10,020
Speaker 2: was something better on the other side. That's this heart

777
00:41:10,060 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 2: of resilience. And I want to talk to you about

778
00:41:12,489 --> 00:41:15,330
Speaker 2: The power of choice. I was interviewing a guy named

779
00:41:15,370 --> 00:41:17,910
Speaker 2: Jason Redman, who you guys have to have on Built

780
00:41:17,930 --> 00:41:22,650
Speaker 2: for More. Incredible dude. He's a former SEAL. Unbelievable story.

781
00:41:22,730 --> 00:41:24,250
Speaker 2: Shot eight times, shot in the face.

782
00:41:24,270 --> 00:41:26,029
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I saw him. I saw him on your show, yeah.

783
00:41:26,310 --> 00:41:29,570
Speaker 2: Unbelievable man. And he has this sign on the door

784
00:41:29,690 --> 00:41:33,049
Speaker 2: principle that when he was in the recovery journey, and man,

785
00:41:33,090 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 2: it was a long road ahead. And people kept coming

786
00:41:35,380 --> 00:41:37,779
Speaker 2: into his hospital room and they just kept, in a sense,

787
00:41:37,860 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 2: feeling bad for him. Like they were sympathetic where it's just, Hey,

788
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,020
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. It's like this. And it was projecting

789
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,580
Speaker 2: onto him. And he said, besides Christ, the greatest gift

790
00:41:46,620 --> 00:41:49,660
Speaker 2: that God gives us is choice. And so he wrote,

791
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,970
Speaker 2: and he couldn't even write at the time, or sorry,

792
00:41:51,989 --> 00:41:53,489
Speaker 2: he couldn't speak at the time. So he just grabbed

793
00:41:53,530 --> 00:41:56,250
Speaker 2: a pen and he wrote this sign that they plastered

794
00:41:56,290 --> 00:41:57,649
Speaker 2: on the outside of the door. And it was pretty

795
00:41:57,670 --> 00:42:00,509
Speaker 2: much saying, if you're coming in here wanting to wish

796
00:42:00,570 --> 00:42:03,969
Speaker 2: away your sorrows and give me sympathy, then go elsewhere.

797
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,420
Speaker 2: And it was this idea of like, I want people

798
00:42:06,460 --> 00:42:09,660
Speaker 2: to realize what I'm about. And if you're Speaking to

799
00:42:09,700 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: a man today, speaking to somebody listening, Denny, that's gone

800
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: through some hardship, that finds themselves in that state of

801
00:42:16,219 --> 00:42:19,750
Speaker 2: being stuck, that finds himself in a generational curse or

802
00:42:19,790 --> 00:42:22,970
Speaker 2: this bloodline where maybe things aren't going their way, what's

803
00:42:23,050 --> 00:42:26,250
Speaker 2: just a word of encouragement and motivation to that person about, man,

804
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:28,710
Speaker 2: everybody has a choice?

805
00:42:29,050 --> 00:42:31,340
Speaker 1: Man, I think you just said a lot of it,

806
00:42:31,450 --> 00:42:33,750
Speaker 1: but I actually kind of put this into a couple

807
00:42:33,770 --> 00:42:36,050
Speaker 1: different categories. Because just like you, we had a guy

808
00:42:36,260 --> 00:42:37,490
Speaker 1: on our 4th of July episode.

809
00:42:37,570 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, John Wayne Waldenkin.

810
00:42:40,070 --> 00:42:44,029
Speaker 1: And he's, if this guy to put it in, in

811
00:42:44,090 --> 00:42:45,910
Speaker 1: like a quick form was in, I think it was

812
00:42:45,969 --> 00:42:51,460
Speaker 1: Afghanistan fighting with 10 people against thousands on the side

813
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,100
Speaker 1: of a mountain and his bottom half of his leg

814
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,500
Speaker 1: is blown off and he ties the bottom half of

815
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,500
Speaker 1: his leg to the top half of his leg and

816
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:05,529
Speaker 1: scales back down the mountain. Still fighting, still fighting. They

817
00:43:05,550 --> 00:43:09,730
Speaker 1: didn't lose any of the 10 and they, and, I

818
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:12,150
Speaker 1: don't know how many they took, but it was a

819
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:17,259
Speaker 1: fair number. And I remember asking him, like, how? Because

820
00:43:17,340 --> 00:43:23,219
Speaker 1: I can't even comprehend. Like, I mean, in Florida, we

821
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,700
Speaker 1: don't have mountains, like I said earlier. But I've seen mountains.

822
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,460
Speaker 1: And to go down one leg in that extreme pain,

823
00:43:29,820 --> 00:43:32,860
Speaker 1: still firing, still shooting, like, how? And his answer was,

824
00:43:33,260 --> 00:43:38,240
Speaker 1: what choice did I have? And it was like, hmm, okay. So...

825
00:43:39,660 --> 00:43:46,020
Speaker 1: That's resilience. But isn't resilience also a little bit less

826
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,700
Speaker 1: dramatic than that? Isn't resilience also, what are the main

827
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,430
Speaker 1: things that are getting guys right now? What are the

828
00:43:52,489 --> 00:43:55,469
Speaker 1: main issues with guys right now? I mean, drinking, all

829
00:43:55,510 --> 00:44:00,589
Speaker 1: the main ones, right? Drinking, lust, pornography, gambling. I'm sure

830
00:44:00,610 --> 00:44:06,610
Speaker 1: I'm missing a million of them. Resiliency, though, in the

831
00:44:06,650 --> 00:44:09,980
Speaker 1: context that most of us work in, is not letting

832
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: that thing defeat you just because you did it again.

833
00:44:13,100 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? It's not like my whole

834
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: life is down the crapper because I took another drink.

835
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: Resiliency in the sense of that is when you do

836
00:44:24,780 --> 00:44:29,470
Speaker 1: have a choice and you choose, all right, I'm getting

837
00:44:29,489 --> 00:44:31,850
Speaker 1: back on the horse again and I'm going to keep

838
00:44:31,890 --> 00:44:33,350
Speaker 1: going and I'm going to keep going and I'm going

839
00:44:33,370 --> 00:44:37,670
Speaker 1: to keep going. And if you put that truly with

840
00:44:37,710 --> 00:44:40,540
Speaker 1: a walk of God, what you find What I found

841
00:44:41,300 --> 00:44:44,859
Speaker 1: that starts happening to me is those decisions become more

842
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,660
Speaker 1: and more hurtful to the point that you start to

843
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,060
Speaker 1: realize what they're doing to you, and then you get

844
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:55,069
Speaker 1: this almost value exchange in your head. You know what

845
00:44:55,090 --> 00:44:58,390
Speaker 1: I mean? I don't know the easiest thing. I don't

846
00:44:58,410 --> 00:45:04,109
Speaker 1: struggle with drinking, so I'll use that. I could drink, but, man,

847
00:45:04,130 --> 00:45:06,890
Speaker 1: the last time I did, it wasn't that I was–

848
00:45:07,140 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: It's just that I don't like the way it makes

849
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,060
Speaker 1: me feel. And God starts, that's an example, but God

850
00:45:12,100 --> 00:45:14,620
Speaker 1: can start putting these little things into you that causes

851
00:45:14,660 --> 00:45:17,140
Speaker 1: that resilience to happen if you just don't quit. So

852
00:45:17,180 --> 00:45:20,780
Speaker 1: I think sometimes we look at athletes running 100-yard sprints.

853
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,219
Speaker 1: We look at John Wayne carrying his leg. But we

854
00:45:24,260 --> 00:45:27,739
Speaker 1: don't look at the day-to-days. We don't look at the

855
00:45:28,010 --> 00:45:32,150
Speaker 1: every single day. I got mad at somebody. I didn't.

856
00:45:32,610 --> 00:45:34,290
Speaker 1: Not me. But I got mad at somebody and cussed

857
00:45:34,310 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: somebody out yesterday. Okay, well. you know what? You sucked

858
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,690
Speaker 1: in that time. You did. You're a turd. Let's try

859
00:45:41,710 --> 00:45:44,430
Speaker 1: it again. You know? And so that's the thing that

860
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:46,630
Speaker 1: for me, I have to, I have to hold on

861
00:45:46,670 --> 00:45:48,930
Speaker 1: to because I don't think, I think a lot of

862
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:51,110
Speaker 1: people are like me on this in my head. I

863
00:45:51,230 --> 00:45:53,390
Speaker 1: don't have the big ones. You know what I mean?

864
00:45:53,650 --> 00:45:57,589
Speaker 1: The things that you hear people talk about, like not

865
00:45:57,630 --> 00:46:01,420
Speaker 1: addicted to what I guess, nicotine, very addicted to nicotine,

866
00:46:01,460 --> 00:46:04,350
Speaker 1: possibly coffee, But I don't have the big ones that

867
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:06,370
Speaker 1: everybody that the world talks about. Man, I got a

868
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:09,270
Speaker 1: bunch of little ones. I got a whole bunch of

869
00:46:09,310 --> 00:46:11,910
Speaker 1: little ones. And if I'm not resilient against those things,

870
00:46:11,969 --> 00:46:13,530
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be perfect until I get to heaven.

871
00:46:13,570 --> 00:46:16,109
Speaker 1: But if I'm not resilient against those things, those things

872
00:46:16,170 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: are the things that separate me from God. Every time

873
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,779
Speaker 1: that it happens, it's not God running from me, but

874
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: I run from him. And so for me, my definition

875
00:46:25,219 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: of resiliency is, man, just keep running to God. That's

876
00:46:29,020 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: the thing that I have to be resilient with.

877
00:46:33,090 --> 00:46:36,549
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about, you know, Mark 4, Jesus, he's on

878
00:46:36,590 --> 00:46:37,710
Speaker 3: the boat with the disciples.

879
00:46:38,110 --> 00:46:40,460
Speaker 1: There's the storm. They go through it. You know, the

880
00:46:40,500 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: wind and the waves, you know, like, you know, we're

881
00:46:42,260 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: going to die, man.

882
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 2: Where's Jesus?

883
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: He's sleeping. Wake up.

884
00:46:45,980 --> 00:46:48,140
Speaker 3: And then he wakes up, you know, peace be still.

885
00:46:48,180 --> 00:46:50,380
Speaker 3: He stops the wind and the waves. And you look back,

886
00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 3: and it was Jesus' idea to get on the boat.

887
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:58,330
Speaker 3: So sometimes he stops the storms. But then later in Acts,

888
00:46:58,370 --> 00:47:01,810
Speaker 3: we see that Paul's on a boat. And instead of

889
00:47:02,590 --> 00:47:06,460
Speaker 3: God calming the storm, he calms Paul within the storm.

890
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,460
Speaker 3: And I think sometimes the storm is necessary in both ways.

891
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,610
Speaker 3: And I think we can all share individual stories of

892
00:47:16,170 --> 00:47:18,790
Speaker 3: us going through a storm, but the storm taught us

893
00:47:18,850 --> 00:47:23,250
Speaker 3: a lesson. And that storm allows us a greater level

894
00:47:23,570 --> 00:47:26,820
Speaker 3: of being resilient. And I'd just love to hear from you.

895
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 3: I mean, what is a storm that you've encountered in

896
00:47:30,780 --> 00:47:34,730
Speaker 3: your life where Man, you certainly wouldn't have chose it,

897
00:47:34,810 --> 00:47:37,290
Speaker 3: but because you've gone through it, you're a better man

898
00:47:37,390 --> 00:47:39,590
Speaker 3: for it and your faith is deeper because of it.

899
00:47:40,370 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: Undoubtedly, it's my wife. Undoubtedly. My wife and I have

900
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: known each other. I moved to Jacksonville, Florida when I

901
00:47:51,380 --> 00:47:55,620
Speaker 1: was 15, 15 years old. She was maybe 14. She

902
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,020
Speaker 1: was one of the first people I met. So we've

903
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: known each other forever. We started dating like the week

904
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: after she turned 16. I think I'm a year and

905
00:48:01,060 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: a half older than she is. So we've been together

906
00:48:03,620 --> 00:48:11,380
Speaker 1: a long time. And 2015, on a Sunday morning, she

907
00:48:11,460 --> 00:48:17,330
Speaker 1: walks in and is like, I want a divorce. I'm like, just,

908
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:19,550
Speaker 1: I mean, at the time, out of nowhere.

909
00:48:19,570 --> 00:48:20,049
Speaker 2: Out of the blue.

910
00:48:20,310 --> 00:48:23,009
Speaker 1: Out of the blue. And I had never thought about this.

911
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: I was telling this story the other day. She tells

912
00:48:25,820 --> 00:48:28,700
Speaker 1: me that she leaves and goes to church. And the

913
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,739
Speaker 1: part of the story that I've always wondered, but like,

914
00:48:30,900 --> 00:48:33,330
Speaker 1: why didn't I go to church? Why was she going

915
00:48:33,350 --> 00:48:36,950
Speaker 1: to church without me? You know, like I just thought

916
00:48:36,989 --> 00:48:38,509
Speaker 1: about that the other day, but I remember she left

917
00:48:38,530 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: and went to church and I'm like, cause I'm not

918
00:48:42,140 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: this guy. Usually like if something like that would happen,

919
00:48:44,300 --> 00:48:46,180
Speaker 1: I'd be like, if you don't want me, I don't

920
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: want you to get, it wasn't that. It was like, nope, no,

921
00:48:48,700 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 1: she's not leaving. Like, what is it that I have

922
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:56,270
Speaker 1: to do? Right. And I remember like just praying and

923
00:48:56,310 --> 00:48:58,270
Speaker 1: praying and praying about it. Well, the very next day.

924
00:48:58,890 --> 00:49:05,470
Speaker 1: So the Monday, I'm sorry. Sunday night, same day, she

925
00:49:05,650 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: hollers at me. She's like, hey, I've got this lump

926
00:49:08,420 --> 00:49:12,020
Speaker 1: on my breast. Like, I should go get that checked out, right?

927
00:49:12,060 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, you should go get it checked out.

928
00:49:14,910 --> 00:49:18,130
Speaker 1: Her mom had had breast cancer. And so go and

929
00:49:18,170 --> 00:49:20,110
Speaker 1: get it checked out. Sure enough, that's what it is.

930
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:22,529
Speaker 1: This is literally within 24 hours. We go get it

931
00:49:22,550 --> 00:49:26,390
Speaker 1: checked out like two days later. And so now we're

932
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:32,820
Speaker 1: trying to walk through a marriage that isn't on the rocks.

933
00:49:32,900 --> 00:49:36,739
Speaker 1: It's dead. It's bad. It's been years and years and

934
00:49:36,780 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: years and years of neglect. And We have both gotten

935
00:49:39,620 --> 00:49:42,739
Speaker 1: to a place, mainly me, but we have both gotten

936
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: to a place where we just need massive help, right?

937
00:49:46,380 --> 00:49:47,779
Speaker 1: I didn't know that the help was going to come

938
00:49:47,820 --> 00:49:50,830
Speaker 1: in the form of cancer, though. Because what the cancer

939
00:49:50,890 --> 00:49:54,650
Speaker 1: did for me, she had to have surgery, she had

940
00:49:54,670 --> 00:49:57,790
Speaker 1: to have chemo, and she had to have radiation. And

941
00:49:57,850 --> 00:50:00,549
Speaker 1: what it did is it gave me an opportunity to

942
00:50:00,590 --> 00:50:04,859
Speaker 1: serve her. So if I want to show her that

943
00:50:04,900 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: she's the most important thing in my life, how do

944
00:50:07,020 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: I do that? Most people do send some candy or

945
00:50:12,219 --> 00:50:15,259
Speaker 1: you know what? No, man. Like, thank you, God. I

946
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,259
Speaker 1: got a chance here to show this woman. And so

947
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,380
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this to boast. I didn't miss an appointment.

948
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,020
Speaker 1: Like I literally did not miss a thing with her

949
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:26,899
Speaker 1: and sat through the whole time. Now at this point,

950
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 1: we're barely talking. You know what I mean? Like this isn't,

951
00:50:30,030 --> 00:50:33,070
Speaker 1: this isn't like we got cancer. I'm so sorry. Let's hug,

952
00:50:33,110 --> 00:50:35,549
Speaker 1: make up. Everything's great. No, man, this is like, this

953
00:50:35,610 --> 00:50:39,430
Speaker 1: is a grind. This is one of those, You can't sleep.

954
00:50:39,660 --> 00:50:43,580
Speaker 1: It's all you think about. What's going on? Like, God's

955
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,899
Speaker 1: just breaking me grind while we're doing this, you know?

956
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: And this goes on for months and months and months

957
00:50:49,180 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: and months, but God just put it in me, like,

958
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,430
Speaker 1: just be there for her, serve her. And I think

959
00:50:55,450 --> 00:50:57,350
Speaker 1: it was the first time that really, like, I had

960
00:50:57,550 --> 00:51:00,810
Speaker 1: just knew that I was going first in this. You

961
00:51:00,830 --> 00:51:04,569
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And her reaction was not, I

962
00:51:04,610 --> 00:51:07,690
Speaker 1: wanted a reaction. I'm not going to lie, but The

963
00:51:07,730 --> 00:51:11,790
Speaker 1: main thought of it was, well, she's trying to leave.

964
00:51:12,570 --> 00:51:15,779
Speaker 1: I said, I'm not going to let her. God threw

965
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: me this thing, and it sucks, but I'm going to

966
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:26,370
Speaker 1: go with it. And so throughout that process, throughout, I

967
00:51:26,410 --> 00:51:34,780
Speaker 1: would call it March of 15 until probably November of 2016.

968
00:51:34,780 --> 00:51:36,430
Speaker 1: Because when you tell the story, it seems like overnight.

969
00:51:36,510 --> 00:51:40,830
Speaker 1: But it was a little while. We both had opportunities

970
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:44,630
Speaker 1: to show each other what the other meant. And I

971
00:51:45,050 --> 00:51:46,870
Speaker 1: think it just got to a point where it was like,

972
00:51:46,989 --> 00:51:51,549
Speaker 1: this is too valuable. And there's too much good that

973
00:51:51,590 --> 00:51:52,989
Speaker 1: can be done for us to walk away from this.

974
00:51:53,290 --> 00:51:56,050
Speaker 1: And so let's do the hard work and do whatever

975
00:51:56,090 --> 00:51:57,859
Speaker 1: we've got to do to get there. And we did.

976
00:51:58,070 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: And the hard work probably wasn't the right work for

977
00:52:02,100 --> 00:52:05,009
Speaker 1: the first couple years. It was survival. You know, we

978
00:52:05,050 --> 00:52:07,090
Speaker 1: didn't bring God into this thing. This isn't like a

979
00:52:07,130 --> 00:52:09,569
Speaker 1: great story where it's like we're, you know, it's not.

980
00:52:10,270 --> 00:52:12,509
Speaker 1: But we were just trying to survive. And it's like

981
00:52:12,550 --> 00:52:16,750
Speaker 1: we knew we wanted to be together. And then second

982
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:21,140
Speaker 1: cancer came in 21. The third one came in late 23,

983
00:52:21,140 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: early 24. Through those, we figured out we really love

984
00:52:26,180 --> 00:52:28,380
Speaker 1: each other. You know what I mean? Like either one

985
00:52:28,420 --> 00:52:29,819
Speaker 1: of us would put our life on the line for

986
00:52:29,860 --> 00:52:33,439
Speaker 1: the other. You know? And the other thing that happens too, man,

987
00:52:34,810 --> 00:52:41,009
Speaker 1: I get emotional with this sometimes, so sorry. One of

988
00:52:41,050 --> 00:52:51,660
Speaker 1: the things I'm thankful for with that is, and there's

989
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: going to be a lot of people know what I'm

990
00:52:52,620 --> 00:52:57,739
Speaker 1: talking about with this. When you go through that, the

991
00:52:57,780 --> 00:53:04,009
Speaker 1: conversations that you get to have, This isn't like a,

992
00:53:04,450 --> 00:53:09,190
Speaker 1: I'm not sad about it. It's, I'm so thankful. You know?

993
00:53:11,130 --> 00:53:13,430
Speaker 1: Just go home and tell your wife, like, go home

994
00:53:14,330 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: and tell her, like, if she weren't here, what she meant. Changes.

995
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,700
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about all that you guys have walked through

996
00:53:25,980 --> 00:53:31,720
Speaker 2: together through this journey. And I'm reminded that oftentimes your

997
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,540
Speaker 2: greatest sermons won't be what you said, but it will

998
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 2: be what you endured, especially what you guys have gotten

999
00:53:37,700 --> 00:53:40,210
Speaker 2: to endure together. And I'm just thinking about you watching

1000
00:53:40,310 --> 00:53:43,850
Speaker 2: Angie because last night at dinner, multiple times, I could

1001
00:53:43,890 --> 00:53:47,850
Speaker 2: just sense this overwhelming just pride in just being her husband.

1002
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 2: Like you were just, I mean, you're bragging on her

1003
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 2: because of all the amazing things that she's still willing

1004
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 2: to do and her resilience and her mental fortitude. And

1005
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,339
Speaker 2: what I love about your story is that your marriage

1006
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 2: wasn't just fixed. It was forged through suffering. I'm just

1007
00:54:01,540 --> 00:54:06,190
Speaker 2: thinking just watching Observing, witnessing what your wife has gone through.

1008
00:54:06,489 --> 00:54:09,410
Speaker 2: Knowing as a man, right, we love things in our control. It's,

1009
00:54:09,770 --> 00:54:12,390
Speaker 2: in a sense, our duty to provide and protect. But

1010
00:54:12,430 --> 00:54:14,670
Speaker 2: there's some things that are just outside of our control.

1011
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:16,629
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine how difficult that was for you.

1012
00:54:17,450 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 2: But then I'm thinking about how has your wife's faith

1013
00:54:23,739 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 2: and obedience and resilience over the last couple of years

1014
00:54:28,540 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 2: shaped you? into the man that sits across from us today.

1015
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:36,060
Speaker 1: Yeah. I will. First off, she's my hero, like point

1016
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:44,530
Speaker 1: blank period. Um, when you see somebody just have things

1017
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:51,270
Speaker 1: stacked up on them and they deal with those things

1018
00:54:51,390 --> 00:54:59,350
Speaker 1: with the, with the joy that she deals with it. Incredible. Incredible. Um,

1019
00:54:59,820 --> 00:55:02,410
Speaker 1: She's been my rabbit. You know what I mean? You

1020
00:55:02,430 --> 00:55:04,090
Speaker 1: know when you go to the dog track, they're chasing

1021
00:55:04,110 --> 00:55:08,049
Speaker 1: the rabbit? She's been my Christian rabbit. She's been... Like,

1022
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 1: I'm chasing what she has. So, yeah. We got to

1023
00:55:17,820 --> 00:55:19,450
Speaker 1: get off this so I'll stop crying, but....

1024
00:55:21,980 --> 00:55:22,459
Speaker 2: No, she.

1025
00:55:22,540 --> 00:55:27,739
Speaker 1: I mean, she... In the middle of cancer and all that,

1026
00:55:27,989 --> 00:55:31,549
Speaker 1: she was... previously saved, all that kind of thing. We

1027
00:55:31,590 --> 00:55:38,710
Speaker 1: both did the same thing. Christians, not surrendered, not following, just,

1028
00:55:39,050 --> 00:55:44,460
Speaker 1: you know, doing the thing. Going to church. Her stepdad

1029
00:55:44,500 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: was a preacher, long-time preacher. My grandfather was a long-time preacher.

1030
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,460
Speaker 1: And so we grew up in the church, but, you know,

1031
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: that was it. But when we were going through that,

1032
00:55:55,090 --> 00:55:59,350
Speaker 1: and she rededicated her life, and she started surrendering. She

1033
00:55:59,370 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: started following. That was the thing is like, I didn't

1034
00:56:05,340 --> 00:56:08,859
Speaker 1: know that's what it looked like, you know? And so

1035
00:56:08,900 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: when it came my turn for God to go, okay,

1036
00:56:13,140 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: I've been patient enough. You're going to do this now.

1037
00:56:15,500 --> 00:56:20,989
Speaker 1: I had that playbook, you know? And so it was

1038
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:22,870
Speaker 1: just like, well, I'm just going to do what she did.

1039
00:56:24,350 --> 00:56:34,180
Speaker 1: And what she did was through all the uncertainty, She

1040
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:39,509
Speaker 1: developed a deeper relationship with the Creator. You know?

1041
00:56:43,010 --> 00:56:45,990
Speaker 3: It makes me think, you know, we're talking about walls. Like,

1042
00:56:46,110 --> 00:56:48,310
Speaker 3: seeing walls and not knowing what to do.

1043
00:56:49,130 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: Numbers 13, 14.

1044
00:56:49,489 --> 00:56:53,830
Speaker 3: They finally get to the Promised Land. The spies go in,

1045
00:56:53,850 --> 00:56:57,510
Speaker 3: and ten of the spies say, hey, everything is there

1046
00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:59,490
Speaker 3: that you said that was going to be their God,

1047
00:56:59,590 --> 00:57:04,330
Speaker 3: but there's these fortitudes, and there's these giants. So maybe

1048
00:57:04,350 --> 00:57:07,530
Speaker 3: we should just turn around and go back. And Caleb says,

1049
00:57:07,790 --> 00:57:11,549
Speaker 3: surely we can take them. And his confidence was not

1050
00:57:11,630 --> 00:57:15,860
Speaker 3: in himself. He remembered all the things that God had done.

1051
00:57:15,890 --> 00:57:18,500
Speaker 3: He remembered the plagues. He remembered splitting the Red Sea,

1052
00:57:18,540 --> 00:57:21,660
Speaker 3: the water from the rock, manna from heaven, pillar of fire.

1053
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 3: And his faith in being able to overcome what he

1054
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:31,890
Speaker 3: saw in his humanity was not in this overt desire

1055
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,820
Speaker 3: power within himself. It was his trust in a sovereign

1056
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:36,500
Speaker 3: and good God.

1057
00:57:37,260 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: And I think.

1058
00:57:37,620 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 3: There's this ability to be resilient to say, hey, you're

1059
00:57:42,420 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 3: calling me to do this. You want me to go there.

1060
00:57:46,380 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 3: I'm not sure, God, but I'm sure about you. And

1061
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,820
Speaker 3: if you're calling me to it, you're going to see

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Speaker 3: me through it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, for sure. For sure. And there's a, you know, Zach,

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Speaker 1: like you said, I mean, you also get to a

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00:57:59,470 --> 00:58:01,250
Speaker 1: point where these things are so out of your control.

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00:58:02,300 --> 00:58:04,650
Speaker 1: that if you let it, it'll just occupy your mind.

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00:58:05,290 --> 00:58:12,990
Speaker 1: You'll try to control it. You can't. So, I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's where faith comes in. You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Faith right now is easy for me, guys. Like, I'm

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Speaker 1: doing podcasts with other Christian guys, you know? I'm texting

1072
00:58:22,270 --> 00:58:25,210
Speaker 1: with Christian guys all the time. Like, I've got this

1073
00:58:25,290 --> 00:58:27,230
Speaker 1: community around me that I didn't have before I started

1074
00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:30,010
Speaker 1: the podcast that I'm just so thankful for now. Dude's

1075
00:58:30,070 --> 00:58:32,550
Speaker 1: just checking in. Like, I don't need anything from each other.

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00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:36,060
Speaker 1: You know, just like, how are you doing? That's easy.

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00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,140
Speaker 1: You know, we get in the car yesterday and the

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00:58:38,180 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: first thing we're talking about is Jesus. That's easy. You know,

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00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:48,390
Speaker 1: faith is when you don't see that. Like, where are you?

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00:58:48,410 --> 00:58:49,370
Speaker 1: Where's your mind going?

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00:58:50,570 --> 00:58:50,770
Speaker 2: Right.

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00:58:51,230 --> 00:58:53,450
Speaker 1: And for the longest time it was for me, it was.

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00:58:56,390 --> 00:59:00,310
Speaker 1: How do I fix this? And I think you should

1084
00:59:00,350 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: do all those things. She's doing great, by the way. Awesome.

1085
00:59:08,590 --> 00:59:13,180
Speaker 1: Two and a half years, cancer-free. And we're doing, yeah,

1086
00:59:13,220 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: we're doing everything. You know, we're doing all the natural things.

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00:59:17,700 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: We're doing all the things the doctors tell us. We're

1088
00:59:19,580 --> 00:59:22,100
Speaker 1: doing all those things. And you should do those things

1089
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: because absolutely. And we're blessed that we can afford to

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00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: do a lot of these. And we recognize that. But

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00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,820
Speaker 1: if you don't let the result go, dude, you're a

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00:59:33,860 --> 00:59:37,990
Speaker 1: prisoner to it. And you literally find yourself just in

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00:59:38,030 --> 00:59:41,350
Speaker 1: this jail of like, I want to go over there,

1094
00:59:41,410 --> 00:59:43,330
Speaker 1: but I can't get out of my own thoughts to

1095
00:59:43,370 --> 00:59:45,710
Speaker 1: walk five steps because I think that if I don't

1096
00:59:45,770 --> 00:59:47,710
Speaker 1: think about this, we're not going to solve this problem.

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00:59:47,770 --> 00:59:51,669
Speaker 1: And that's the opposite of faith. And so even through

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00:59:51,730 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: all of that, that was the thing, man, that I

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00:59:57,140 --> 00:59:59,220
Speaker 1: think right after the last surgery, I realized like, I'm

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00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:03,100
Speaker 1: going to I am going to literally kill myself worrying

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01:00:03,140 --> 01:00:06,500
Speaker 1: about this if I don't let this go. And I

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01:00:06,540 --> 01:00:09,500
Speaker 1: was in therapy for a long time at that point.

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01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:15,430
Speaker 1: We were talking about this last night. I love my therapist.

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01:00:16,300 --> 01:00:18,290
Speaker 1: She's been a game changer for me. So I was

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01:00:18,330 --> 01:00:21,190
Speaker 1: doing even all that. You know what I mean? But

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01:00:21,370 --> 01:00:25,050
Speaker 1: still in my head, I had caused myself to be

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01:00:25,090 --> 01:00:28,630
Speaker 1: this prisoner of something that I cannot control, and it

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01:00:28,650 --> 01:00:31,300
Speaker 1: was affecting me. Every single thing that I was doing.

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01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: And so it was one of the first times where

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01:00:33,740 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: I learned what giving it to God really looks like.

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01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,479
Speaker 1: You know? And then I even struggle. I'd love y'all's

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01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: opinion on this. Because at times I'm like, it says

1113
01:00:42,540 --> 01:00:45,140
Speaker 1: praying it will be given, right? Asking it will be given.

1114
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,570
Speaker 1: Sometimes I wonder, because I pray about my wife's health

1115
01:00:48,810 --> 01:00:52,150
Speaker 1: all the time. Sometimes I wonder if God's like, dude,

1116
01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: I heard you. You don't have to keep asking. You know,

1117
01:00:58,380 --> 01:01:00,620
Speaker 1: there's other things to pray for. Like, I got you.

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01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 1: You know, so that's the kind of things that now

1119
01:01:04,430 --> 01:01:07,970
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, like, how much faith do I have?

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Speaker 1: Because I almost think, yeah, I want to continue to

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01:01:10,550 --> 01:01:12,510
Speaker 1: ask and I want to continue to serve. But I

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01:01:12,570 --> 01:01:15,110
Speaker 1: do believe he's got us. And I do believe that

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Speaker 1: prayer was heard.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's one thing to believe that God

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Speaker 3: is good. But then it's another thing to trust in

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Speaker 3: his timing.

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Speaker 1: And I think, you know, whether... You're going into, you know.

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Speaker 3: Quarterbacks going into a situation where, hey, you're going to

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01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 3: sit this year and learn. And that maybe you've never

1130
01:01:34,540 --> 01:01:38,340
Speaker 3: done that before. And that could shake your confidence. Or

1131
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,740
Speaker 3: maybe you're going through a season where it's like, okay,

1132
01:01:41,820 --> 01:01:45,950
Speaker 3: you're training. I'm training in some capacity because what is

1133
01:01:46,090 --> 01:01:48,970
Speaker 3: true is God's just not going to trust you with

1134
01:01:49,010 --> 01:01:50,870
Speaker 3: something you're not ready for because he wants to do

1135
01:01:50,910 --> 01:01:53,390
Speaker 3: something in you before he does something for or through you.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes we don't like the answer.

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Speaker 3: I think it's tough sometimes to trust in his timing

1138
01:02:01,850 --> 01:02:05,260
Speaker 3: when it doesn't align with our desire or our timing.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's just a beautiful part of the process. Yeah,

1140
01:02:08,740 --> 01:02:11,020
Speaker 1: I agree. I agree. The comfort thing, right?

1141
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:17,020
Speaker 2: I want to add in, I'm hearing this theme of waiting.

1142
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:21,060
Speaker 2: And I was listening to a sermon recently by Tyler Staton.

1143
01:02:21,820 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 2: And he brought up the concept of why is waiting

1144
01:02:24,500 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 2: such a large part of the spiritual walk, of the

1145
01:02:28,140 --> 01:02:31,820
Speaker 2: sanctification journey. And then he answers his own question by

1146
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:38,030
Speaker 2: saying because waiting is where faith actually becomes necessary. Because

1147
01:02:38,090 --> 01:02:41,690
Speaker 2: if God were to answer every prayer immediately, right, then

1148
01:02:41,730 --> 01:02:46,470
Speaker 2: that would be more so convenience, not obedience. Obedience is

1149
01:02:46,570 --> 01:02:50,410
Speaker 2: walking in faith even when you're not seeing the results

1150
01:02:50,450 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 2: that you want. And again, trusting God. It's one thing

1151
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,580
Speaker 2: to believe in God. It's a whole other thing to

1152
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 2: actually believe him for his word, for what he says.

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Speaker 1: Joby and I talk about this all the time. Like

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Speaker 1: if you would have given me a picture of what

1155
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: this was going to look like at the beginning, I'd

1156
01:03:07,940 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 1: have screwed it up. Because I wouldn't have taken all

1157
01:03:10,980 --> 01:03:13,340
Speaker 1: of those necessary steps. My life is, and I'm sure

1158
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 1: we're all like this, it's so weird, man. Like I

1159
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 1: got into radio on an accident. You know, like I

1160
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 1: interned at a radio station after I lost every other

1161
01:03:21,940 --> 01:03:25,150
Speaker 1: job because I had nothing else to do. And I

1162
01:03:25,170 --> 01:03:28,010
Speaker 1: remember going to the interview with the radio station, and

1163
01:03:28,050 --> 01:03:29,390
Speaker 1: I knew him just because I'd been in the high

1164
01:03:29,410 --> 01:03:34,410
Speaker 1: school sports realm. And I'm like 34, 35, whatever it is,

1165
01:03:34,450 --> 01:03:36,490
Speaker 1: and the guy's looking. I'm like, why are you doing this? Like,

1166
01:03:36,530 --> 01:03:38,570
Speaker 1: are you going back to school? I'm like, no. He's like,

1167
01:03:38,590 --> 01:03:40,660
Speaker 1: so you don't need this for a class? I'm like, no.

1168
01:03:40,700 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 1: He's like, you know it doesn't pay, right? I'm like,

1169
01:03:43,700 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: I know. I'm well aware. And he's like, you know

1170
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:50,070
Speaker 1: you're never going to get on air. I was like, yeah,

1171
01:03:51,010 --> 01:03:53,210
Speaker 1: I just don't have anything else to do. And for

1172
01:03:53,230 --> 01:03:55,210
Speaker 1: whatever reason, I felt like I want to be here.

1173
01:03:55,990 --> 01:03:59,140
Speaker 1: And so at 30, whatever years old I was like

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01:03:59,550 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 1: every day for five mornings a week, I went in

1175
01:04:02,780 --> 01:04:06,060
Speaker 1: and simply, all I did was just cut up the

1176
01:04:06,180 --> 01:04:08,500
Speaker 1: opening for this show. Cause they would use like events

1177
01:04:08,540 --> 01:04:09,959
Speaker 1: from the day before and they'd give me the events

1178
01:04:09,980 --> 01:04:11,420
Speaker 1: and I'd go find them, find the sound, cut them up.

1179
01:04:12,990 --> 01:04:15,250
Speaker 1: And then, I don't know, six months later, the guy

1180
01:04:15,270 --> 01:04:20,490
Speaker 1: walks up to me, Chad is his name. Um, and says, hey,

1181
01:04:20,500 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 1: we're thinking about starting this high school podcast. Would you

1182
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: be interested? I'm like, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can

1183
01:04:28,660 --> 01:04:31,300
Speaker 1: do that. So we start this podcast. And back then,

1184
01:04:31,340 --> 01:04:35,460
Speaker 1: podcasts weren't a thing, right? Like, this was, like, if

1185
01:04:35,500 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 1: we got 80 listens on the station channel, bro. That's

1186
01:04:39,780 --> 01:04:44,340
Speaker 1: the deal. Dude, like, we got, like, 120 listens one time,

1187
01:04:44,380 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: and I'm like, they should give us a contract, bro. Like, we're...

1188
01:04:49,190 --> 01:04:54,910
Speaker 1: Where are we in the rankings? They're coming for you, Rogan. Right, right, right.

1189
01:04:55,330 --> 01:05:00,530
Speaker 1: And so then that, again, like accident, that led to,

1190
01:05:00,550 --> 01:05:03,910
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember what was next. I think the

1191
01:05:03,950 --> 01:05:08,270
Speaker 1: next thing was like, hey, we got this Saturday show. Yeah,

1192
01:05:08,310 --> 01:05:12,130
Speaker 1: this is funny. We got this Saturday show that isn't

1193
01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:14,850
Speaker 1: going to be on the air anymore. Would you like

1194
01:05:14,910 --> 01:05:17,710
Speaker 1: to find a partner and do this two-hour on Saturday,

1195
01:05:17,830 --> 01:05:21,580
Speaker 1: one-a-week show? I was like, heck yeah. And they're like,

1196
01:05:21,740 --> 01:05:23,620
Speaker 1: here's what it costs. And I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

1197
01:05:24,260 --> 01:05:25,930
Speaker 1: So before I was working for free, now I'm going

1198
01:05:25,950 --> 01:05:29,450
Speaker 1: to have to pay you. And they're like, yeah. And

1199
01:05:29,550 --> 01:05:32,270
Speaker 1: they're like, but you can sell sponsors. I can't, I don't,

1200
01:05:32,910 --> 01:05:34,690
Speaker 1: I don't know. So I'm like, okay, whatever. We're going

1201
01:05:34,710 --> 01:05:38,170
Speaker 1: to do that. That Saturday show turned into like a

1202
01:05:38,370 --> 01:05:40,490
Speaker 1: twice a week show, which turned into a daily show.

1203
01:05:42,060 --> 01:05:44,140
Speaker 1: And there was a point and I had a great time.

1204
01:05:44,860 --> 01:05:49,020
Speaker 1: Love my cohost, guy named James Coleman. Um, We got

1205
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 1: to walk through some cool things together because we were

1206
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:54,900
Speaker 1: going through COVID and all that kind of stuff. And

1207
01:05:55,180 --> 01:06:01,169
Speaker 1: he played college football, played for the Saints, African-American guy

1208
01:06:01,310 --> 01:06:05,150
Speaker 1: with kids. And so I got to hear him during

1209
01:06:05,190 --> 01:06:09,730
Speaker 1: that whole time, explain to me the conversations he was

1210
01:06:09,750 --> 01:06:13,190
Speaker 1: having with his kids. And it just opened up my

1211
01:06:13,230 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 1: heart to a way of life that I didn't have

1212
01:06:16,020 --> 01:06:18,990
Speaker 1: access to before. You know what I mean? Just hearing

1213
01:06:19,030 --> 01:06:21,310
Speaker 1: a guy who I consider to be close to a

1214
01:06:21,390 --> 01:06:25,670
Speaker 1: brother to me. Absolutely. And just seeing the emotion in

1215
01:06:25,710 --> 01:06:29,010
Speaker 1: a time that was just crazy in this country. Regardless

1216
01:06:29,050 --> 01:06:34,530
Speaker 1: of what you think, the emotions were crazy, right? And

1217
01:06:34,550 --> 01:06:37,290
Speaker 1: then there was a point in it where he almost

1218
01:06:37,330 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 1: died of COVID. So our show just was on the

1219
01:06:40,700 --> 01:06:41,930
Speaker 1: air and then was off the air because he was

1220
01:06:41,950 --> 01:06:44,460
Speaker 1: in the hospital. Wow. And we just didn't go back.

1221
01:06:45,100 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: We literally just didn't go back. And we started doing

1222
01:06:48,820 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 1: a podcast. I remember saying in the podcast, I'm like, man,

1223
01:06:50,740 --> 01:06:56,180
Speaker 1: I'm just over this. Our concept is gossip. It's what

1224
01:06:56,220 --> 01:06:58,930
Speaker 1: it is. We're talking about guys who are the best

1225
01:06:58,950 --> 01:07:01,350
Speaker 1: in the world at what they do. I just want

1226
01:07:01,390 --> 01:07:07,490
Speaker 1: to do something deeper. And I thought about this recently, man,

1227
01:07:07,590 --> 01:07:10,550
Speaker 1: because I always thought the football side was what got

1228
01:07:10,570 --> 01:07:12,370
Speaker 1: me to where I was, but to see how God

1229
01:07:12,410 --> 01:07:17,300
Speaker 1: was moving in the communication side. Yes. When I didn't

1230
01:07:17,340 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: even know. You know? Intern, 35, back home living with

1231
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: his parents. Ain't exactly the book you write for yourself, bro.

1232
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:30,610
Speaker 1: You know? But that's the radio part of this thing

1233
01:07:30,630 --> 01:07:34,950
Speaker 1: I always thought was secondary. And now, as I'm stepping

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01:07:34,970 --> 01:07:38,430
Speaker 1: further away, I'm realizing, wait, that was the primary. That's

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Speaker 1: how I'm spreading Jesus' name now. You know? Talking in

1236
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,660
Speaker 1: this microphone, for those that haven't done it, about Jesus

1237
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:48,390
Speaker 1: isn't easy the first couple times, is it? Like, you know,

1238
01:07:48,490 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 1: cause you know what you are, you know, what's in

1239
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,900
Speaker 1: your heart. Yeah. And it's like, sometimes I'm talking to

1240
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:58,660
Speaker 1: this microphone to people and it's like, they're probably better

1241
01:07:58,700 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: enough than I am. You know, why did God choose me? Yes.

1242
01:08:02,980 --> 01:08:05,500
Speaker 1: But when you look at your path, it all adds

1243
01:08:05,620 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 1: up and you stop asking that. And you just, all right,

1244
01:08:08,340 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 1: I'm just going to keep walking faithfully down the path.

1245
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:12,820
Speaker 1: He wants me to walk, whatever that looks like. Right.

1246
01:08:12,900 --> 01:08:14,980
Speaker 2: And I want to talk about just your, the title

1247
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:19,939
Speaker 2: of the podcast built, For more, because Garrett Unklebot, a

1248
01:08:19,979 --> 01:08:22,420
Speaker 2: friend of ours, former SEAL from SEAL Team 3, he

1249
01:08:22,460 --> 01:08:26,019
Speaker 2: talks about this concept of greatness is biblical in nature.

1250
01:08:26,500 --> 01:08:28,620
Speaker 2: And when you go back to its roots, it actually

1251
01:08:28,660 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 2: means all of it. So like acquiring everything that God

1252
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:36,760
Speaker 2: has destined for your life, but yet so many people,

1253
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 2: so many men settle for less than that. They settle

1254
01:08:40,180 --> 01:08:45,140
Speaker 2: for comfort, for mediocrity, for some things, but not all things, everything.

1255
01:08:45,870 --> 01:08:47,910
Speaker 2: Be to just where does this title come from? Because

1256
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Speaker 2: that's kind of what I'm summarizing the concept of today's

1257
01:08:50,830 --> 01:08:53,780
Speaker 2: conversation has really been about them. And there is something else.

1258
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:57,060
Speaker 2: There's something greater, something more for us to go and

1259
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,179
Speaker 2: acquire that God has destined for us to have.

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Speaker 1: To be very, very honest, it was a conversation that

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Speaker 1: I had with, I don't remember which AI, but one

1262
01:09:06,420 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 1: of the AIs. And it was like, I'm starting this

1263
01:09:08,780 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 1: podcast and I need a name. And so we just

1264
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:15,740
Speaker 1: had this whole conversation and the thought behind it originally

1265
01:09:15,820 --> 01:09:19,139
Speaker 1: was a couple of different things. But the main thing was,

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Speaker 1: what I see in the quarterback world is, and I

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Speaker 1: see this with coaches, I see this with trainers, I

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01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:32,090
Speaker 1: see this with players, I see this with parents, everybody's

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01:09:32,150 --> 01:09:36,190
Speaker 1: definition of success is a certain thing, and then when

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Speaker 1: they get to that definition of success, everything just slows

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Speaker 1: down and stops because they put a ceiling on it.

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Speaker 1: And they were free up until they got to that ceiling,

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Speaker 1: and now they're reaching a block, and it's like, who

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01:09:48,310 --> 01:09:52,210
Speaker 1: made this ceiling? You made this ceiling, you know, like

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Speaker 1: this ceiling didn't exist until you said, this is what

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Speaker 1: I want to do. And when I get there, it's

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Speaker 1: going to be successful. And then you got there and

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01:09:59,030 --> 01:10:02,870
Speaker 1: you cut yourself short. Right. And so the original premises

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Speaker 1: for me was you're built for more than that. You're

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Speaker 1: the one limiting that. And then as I started digesting

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Speaker 1: a little bit more, I just started thinking about me again.

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Speaker 1: And it's just like, all the different times that God

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Speaker 1: has put me into these places that I thought was

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Speaker 1: punishment was, was forming me and creating a posture. And

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Speaker 1: as long as I'm alive and as long as I'm

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Speaker 1: following Jesus, I'm never going to arrive. Literally, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm always going to build for more than what I

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Speaker 1: am now. There's always one more. We'll always be one

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Speaker 1: more at the, at, at, the very base of all

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Speaker 1: of this is that is the one more, right? That's

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Speaker 1: what we're all called to go do. And so I

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01:10:55,990 --> 01:10:58,750
Speaker 1: put all that into there and it just, and, and

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01:10:58,850 --> 01:11:01,420
Speaker 1: chat GPT was what it was. It just spit out.

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Speaker 1: It's like perfectly built for more. I'm like, I agree.

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Speaker 2: We're built for more.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I agree. How do I trademark it? Like what

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Speaker 1: was it? So it was as simple as that. But

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Speaker 1: I think what we've learned with it though, it's really

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Speaker 1: cool because, The original intent was like, you're going to

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Speaker 1: have this dramatic podcast where it's like, Josh, where did

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Speaker 1: you learn you were built for more?

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: But that never happens. It never happens. But what you

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01:11:24,660 --> 01:11:28,500
Speaker 1: do find is inside of every story, which you just

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01:11:28,540 --> 01:11:30,780
Speaker 1: pay a little bit of attention to it, there's like

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Speaker 1: 10 of those. You know? And there's over and over

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01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:37,780
Speaker 1: and over and over again. When were you on our podcast?

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Speaker 1: It wasn't that long ago. No, it was less than

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Speaker 1: six months ago. Bro, think about what you've done since then. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And when you're sitting there, I, like, just honestly, dude,

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01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:52,980
Speaker 1: you left, and I'm just like, holy cow. Like, what

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01:11:53,020 --> 01:11:59,110
Speaker 1: an amazing testimony. What this dude is doing is incredible

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01:11:59,170 --> 01:12:03,170
Speaker 1: and takes an insane amount of courage. Dude, you were

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Speaker 1: just getting started. And then I see you yesterday, and

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Speaker 1: the first thing I'm like, bro, let's go. Like, I'm

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Speaker 1: seeing you everywhere. And it's just, that's so much fun, man. Yes.

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Speaker 1: Not just for you, but for all of us that

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Speaker 1: care about you and recognize that, dude, you're still just

1319
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:26,450
Speaker 1: getting started. And that's fun. And I just want to

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Speaker 1: hang on your coattails, bro. I want to hang on

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Speaker 1: 8,000 different people like that coattails. Yeah. You know, because

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Speaker 1: eventually one, I'm like, I'm going to have to catch

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Speaker 1: up to one right now. You may be dragging me,

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Speaker 1: but eventually we're going.

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Speaker 2: To get there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. But I think that's the point.

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Speaker 3: That's the point of doing life together.

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Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. That's the whole point.

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Speaker 2: I want to close this way, Denny, because I feel

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Speaker 2: like we could sit here all day and we got

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Speaker 2: to get you up to liberty to speak to our

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Speaker 2: QB room. But a lot of our conversation has been

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Speaker 2: around the idea that adversity can either be your assassin

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Speaker 2: that takes you out or it can be the advantage

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Speaker 2: that builds you up. And I'm just thinking about in

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Speaker 2: the midst of tough times when I sit across from

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Speaker 2: people in counseling sessions and I build these therapeutic alliances,

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Speaker 2: you talked about like grief. And when pain comes in life,

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Speaker 2: I've heard it said that it has a way of

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Speaker 2: narrowing your vision. It's just like all you can do

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01:13:18,350 --> 01:13:21,630
Speaker 2: is think about and be all consumed by that one thought,

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Speaker 2: by that one thing. We call that rumination, the pathological

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Speaker 2: obsession with the pain, with the grief, with the anxiety,

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01:13:29,110 --> 01:13:31,910
Speaker 2: with the depression, with the addiction, whatever it is. It's

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Speaker 2: a pathological obsession toward that thing. But in God's word,

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Speaker 2: it never once calls us to ruminate, but many times

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Speaker 2: it calls us to renovate, to renew our mind every

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Speaker 2: single day on him. And you were talking about this

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Speaker 2: concept in Mark 4. Really, I think fear isn't the

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01:13:47,650 --> 01:13:51,630
Speaker 2: greatest enemy. It's forgetfulness. It's when we forget who God is,

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01:13:51,670 --> 01:13:54,130
Speaker 2: when we forget what he's capable of. And I want

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01:13:54,150 --> 01:13:56,410
Speaker 2: to close this way. To a guy who's walked through

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Speaker 2: a lot of adversities, to a guy that will continue

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Speaker 2: to walk through a lot of adversity, because again, we

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Speaker 2: all do. In our moments of powerlessness, those are often

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Speaker 2: the times in our lives that God draws us closer

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Speaker 2: to and reveals the character of his heart the most.

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Speaker 2: And so I just want to close this way. What

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Speaker 2: has God revealed to you about himself in the midst

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Speaker 2: of those very difficult moments that catapult you and propel

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Speaker 2: you into the future with confidence in knowing him even deeper?

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Speaker 1: It's a great question, man. Honestly, the thing that he's

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Speaker 1: revealed to me is that I I cannot imagine the

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Speaker 1: knowledge that he has. That's the thing. I'm seeing my

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Speaker 1: life one way, the way that I was made to

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Speaker 1: see it. He's not seeing it the same way. And

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Speaker 1: so at the end of this thing, man, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you listeners have read all the way to

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Speaker 1: the end, but we win.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And so it's like, whatever you're going through right now,

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Speaker 1: and I don't want to belittle what anybody's going through

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Speaker 1: because there's people listening that's going through insane heartbreak, like

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Speaker 1: crazy situations. You win. You win. And we're not even

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Speaker 1: talking about like a, it's not like we're just getting started.

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01:15:20,700 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 1: Like you win in the sense that you are going

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Speaker 1: to spend your life and eternity with people you love,

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Speaker 1: I'm the creator of the universe. And the thing that

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Speaker 1: I'm most excited about that, and I'm sure it's going

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Speaker 1: to be beautiful. I'm sure all those things. You're not

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Speaker 1: going to have to worry about sinning anymore. You know?

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Speaker 1: That's the thing that I get fired up about because

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01:15:44,070 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 1: I beat myself up about sinning. It was designed. Like,

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01:15:48,700 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 1: I need Jesus. Right? You're not going to have to

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01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:55,220
Speaker 1: worry about sinning anymore. At all. So think about how

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Speaker 1: freeing that's going to be. And this lifetime that we're,

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Speaker 1: even if you're lucky and you live 100 years, like

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01:16:00,820 --> 01:16:03,020
Speaker 1: 100 years is a drop in the bucket to eternity.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? So for me, I think

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Speaker 1: that's the thing that's been unveiled. It is Jesus loves you.

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Speaker 1: That's the first thing. This is not a situation. Do

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01:16:17,060 --> 01:16:18,760
Speaker 1: we have time for me to say one quick story?

1393
01:16:19,580 --> 01:16:30,820
Speaker 1: My son just got married. The 48 hours before, all

1394
01:16:30,890 --> 01:16:34,370
Speaker 1: I could think about was, I hope that I have

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01:16:34,430 --> 01:16:39,270
Speaker 1: built a relationship with my son that he can come

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01:16:39,310 --> 01:16:42,689
Speaker 1: to me with anything and there will not be judgment.

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01:16:43,729 --> 01:16:49,189
Speaker 1: I love him. I want the best for him regardless

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01:16:49,229 --> 01:16:51,790
Speaker 1: of what it is. That's all I want. That's all

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01:16:51,830 --> 01:16:55,430
Speaker 1: I could think about was, God, Put me in a

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Speaker 1: place to where my son looks at me in a

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01:16:57,490 --> 01:17:00,830
Speaker 1: way that he doesn't have to be ashamed. He doesn't

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01:17:00,850 --> 01:17:03,340
Speaker 1: have to run from me. There is no problem that's

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01:17:03,380 --> 01:17:06,480
Speaker 1: too big. That he just comes and seeks me out

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01:17:06,530 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 1: for counsel. And then it hit me. That's God. Like

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Speaker 1: that's all God is saying is don't run from me.

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01:17:17,500 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 1: I'm not ashamed of you. I made you. I made

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01:17:21,300 --> 01:17:25,220
Speaker 1: this whole thing. I'm not surprised. Just come to me.

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01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 1: There will be no judgment. There will be no fear.

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01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:34,350
Speaker 1: Just come to me. And I think that's the thing

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Speaker 1: that I have learned through what everyone calls suffering, hard times.

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01:17:41,370 --> 01:17:46,690
Speaker 1: He's the constant. And you don't just not smart enough

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01:17:46,729 --> 01:17:48,729
Speaker 1: to know what he knows, man. And if you were,

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01:17:49,930 --> 01:17:50,689
Speaker 1: why would you serve him?

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01:17:52,950 --> 01:17:53,650
Speaker 2: We can trust him.

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01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 1: He's a good, good father, right?

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01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 2: Romans 5, that we can glory in our suffering because

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01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 2: suffering produces perseverance. Perseverance produces character. Character produces hope. This

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01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:05,019
Speaker 2: idea of Romans 8, 28, for we know that all

1419
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:07,620
Speaker 2: things work together for the good of those who love

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01:18:07,660 --> 01:18:09,759
Speaker 2: God and who have been called according to his purpose.

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01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,140
Speaker 2: But we have to make sure that our definition of

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Speaker 2: good aligns with God's. His definition is the very next verse,

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Speaker 2: Romans 8, 29. For those he foreknew, he also predestined

1424
01:18:18,939 --> 01:18:21,849
Speaker 2: that we might be conformed to the image of his son.

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01:18:22,270 --> 01:18:25,650
Speaker 2: Let us strive every day. Run to win, right? As

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01:18:25,650 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 2: 1 Corinthians 9 talks about, run to win. But run.

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Speaker 1: Work is worship.

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01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:31,740
Speaker 2: Work is worship. But run in such a way that

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01:18:31,780 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 2: we would allow God to shape us and mold us

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01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 2: every single step of the way. Denny, my friend, this

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01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 2: has been a life-giving conversation, I know, for myself. I

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01:18:39,820 --> 01:18:40,900
Speaker 2: know I'm speaking for J.B.

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Speaker 1: As well here. Yeah, for sure.

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01:18:41,950 --> 01:18:44,390
Speaker 2: But, dude, you're such a blessing. I'm so grateful for

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01:18:44,430 --> 01:18:45,930
Speaker 2: you again and your trip all the way up here

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01:18:45,970 --> 01:18:48,310
Speaker 2: from Jacksonville. I want to ask, where can our audience

1437
01:18:48,350 --> 01:18:49,830
Speaker 2: go to find out more about you to listen to

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01:18:49,850 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 2: the Built for More podcast as well?

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01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:53,500
Speaker 1: Just go to at Built for More pod. Yeah. Yeah.

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01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:54,939
Speaker 1: We didn't have Built for More, so we had to

1441
01:18:54,970 --> 01:18:57,770
Speaker 1: add the pod. Somebody had already taken it. So at Built,

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01:18:58,030 --> 01:18:59,349
Speaker 1: the number four, More pod.

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01:18:59,530 --> 01:19:01,130
Speaker 2: And I want to ask this too. If Let's say

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01:19:01,170 --> 01:19:03,370
Speaker 2: there's a parent out there that's listening or there's a

1445
01:19:03,390 --> 01:19:06,310
Speaker 2: kid out there listening and they're interested in possibly getting

1446
01:19:06,350 --> 01:19:08,250
Speaker 2: connected to you in some way, shape or form. Where

1447
01:19:08,270 --> 01:19:10,050
Speaker 2: could they go to get connected to you in that manner?

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01:19:10,630 --> 01:19:12,189
Speaker 1: I think if you go to me, I'm at Denny

1449
01:19:12,210 --> 01:19:14,610
Speaker 1: Thompson Jacks. There's a link to it on there.

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01:19:14,930 --> 01:19:15,090
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:19:15,110 --> 01:19:16,030
Speaker 1: All right, my friend.

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01:19:16,050 --> 01:19:17,849
Speaker 2: Well, again, we're so grateful for you. Make sure you

1453
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 2: get my Liberty Flames and Pittsburgh Steelers right this year,

1454
01:19:20,979 --> 01:19:21,340
Speaker 2: if you would.

1455
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:22,100
Speaker 1: Let's go.

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01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:23,040
Speaker 2: That's not my band.

1457
01:19:23,140 --> 01:19:25,680
Speaker 1: All right. No. Do all I can.

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01:19:25,700 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 2: I'm grateful for you. Thank you for just your obedience. Again,

1459
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 2: thanks for being with us today.

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01:19:31,140 --> 01:19:32,780
Speaker 1: Super grateful for you. Appreciate y'all.

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01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:34,780
Speaker 2: To our audience here at Build Different, I just wanted

1462
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,420
Speaker 2: to say again, if you heard anything there toward the end,

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01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:39,800
Speaker 2: run in such a way to win. And run in

1464
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:42,650
Speaker 2: a way that you don't have to win, but run

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01:19:42,689 --> 01:19:45,590
Speaker 2: in such a way because you already have. It's the recognition.

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01:19:45,630 --> 01:19:47,050
Speaker 2: It's not about what you could do or not do.

1467
01:19:47,110 --> 01:19:49,330
Speaker 2: It's about what has already been done on your behalf.

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01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:53,770
Speaker 2: behalf so run in that manner run with confidence he's

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01:19:53,810 --> 01:19:55,950
Speaker 2: a good good father my friends again you are built

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01:19:56,010 --> 01:19:58,230
Speaker 2: for more and you were created to live a life

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Speaker 2: that looks built different from the rest thanks so much

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Speaker 2: for joining us