1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 2: We're talking about the matriarchs of the Bible, and if 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 2: you are not a mom, don't click off, don't stop listening. 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 2: This is about actually birthing a promise that God has 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 2: put in your life. Will you give him your guests, 6 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about all that and more in today's episode. Hello, Hello, Hello, 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 2: ladies and gents, and welcome to this week's episode of 8 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 2: the Bottom Beloved Podcast. 9 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 3: As always, it's a girl Kirby Kelly back at it again. 10 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 2: And I'm so excited because when I was planning out 11 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 2: episodes and guests and scheduling and doing all the things, 12 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 2: every now and again, I'll have different publishers or literary 13 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 2: agents reach out to me and they're like, hey, we 14 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 2: know you, Kirby, and we know your podcast, and we 15 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: think this person would be super fitting for your podcast. 16 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 2: And then I'll talk with them, and it's a whole thing, right, 17 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 2: all the behind the scenes things. I was talking with 18 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: one of them one time and I was like, can 19 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: you send me a list of like different books that 20 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: are coming out soon? And as I was reading through 21 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 2: the list and the just descriptions of all these books 22 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 2: and authors, there was one that specifically stood out to me, 23 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 2: and I was like, if I can't have her on 24 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 2: the podcast, and I at least get her books so 25 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: I can read it. Luckily both have come true because 26 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 2: she's on the podcast today. But the book that she 27 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: wrote is called Matriarchs, What the Women of Genesis teach 28 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 2: Us about our part in God's Story. 29 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 3: Paige Alan wrote this. 30 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 2: It is out now, and I'm so excited to have 31 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 2: her on because y'all know that I'm a mama now, right, 32 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 2: so this book relates in more ways than one to 33 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 2: me in the season of life that I'm in. But with 34 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 2: that being said, I have like no time to do 35 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 2: anything much of anything at this point. But this was 36 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 2: a book that I specifically carved out time to read 37 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 2: because I was so excited about the topic. And I'm 38 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: even more excited that now I get a talk with 39 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 2: Page about it. But we're just gonna dive in. Okay, 40 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: I could go on and on and on about that, 41 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 2: but Page. 42 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 3: Welcome to the podcast. Thank you for writing this book. 43 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 2: Can you tell everybody a little bit about yourself, like 44 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: who you are, what you do, what you're passionate about, 45 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 2: and maybe what inspired you to write this book in 46 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: the first. 47 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 4: Place, absolutely I can. First of all, thanks for having 48 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 4: me on. And I feel so honored that you carved 49 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 4: out time. I know what New Mama time looks like, 50 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 4: and there is so little of it, so I feel 51 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 4: really honored that you found time to read the book. 52 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, my. 53 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 4: Name is Page Allan, and I am a Texas girl 54 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 4: like you, and I am a mom. I have two 55 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 4: beautiful girls who both are in high school this year, 56 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 4: which is just blowing my mind. I am married to 57 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 4: a wonderful guy named Josh who is a true entrepreneur. 58 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 4: He has ideas and he's in the marketplace. And then 59 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 4: I'm a pastor at a church and I have actually 60 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 4: been on staff at the same church for over twenty years. 61 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 3: Wow. 62 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 4: So yeah, And I love women and I love it 63 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 4: when I feel like women really understand that they have 64 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 4: purpose and calling in the Lord and they say yes 65 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 4: and they run after it. 66 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 3: Come on, I love that. That's so awesome. 67 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 2: Well, so what inspired you to write this book specifically? 68 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 2: Was it like your own study of Genesis? Was it 69 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 2: just you know, being so passionate about women and women's 70 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 2: ministry and all those things? 71 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 3: What birth the Book of Matriarchs? 72 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: Read? 73 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 4: You know, I was literally just reading through the Bible, 74 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 4: and I was I was really thinking about the names 75 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 4: of God. And I don't think we spend a lot 76 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 4: of time usually looking at the fact that God calls 77 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 4: himself the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. 78 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: We know that, but I. 79 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 4: Was thinking about that and that that's such a picture 80 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 4: of the fact that God is a God of. 81 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: Family, of covenant, of promise. 82 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 4: But then I was thinking about none of that, God 83 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 4: of generations, God of promise. What happened with all the 84 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 4: women because it takes both men women, Yes, And I 85 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 4: don't know, I just think I kind of felt an 86 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 4: invitation from the Holy Spirit to go study their stories 87 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 4: a little bit more, and as I did, I just 88 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 4: kind of. 89 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: Felt, I don't know, I felt like a kinship with 90 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: them because I don't know if you're like this. 91 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 4: But one thing I love about scripture is God doesn't 92 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 4: just share with us the cleaned up version story part, 93 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 4: you know, like we see the mess, but we also 94 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 4: see you know, how they kind of wrestle through the 95 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 4: mess to eventually say yes, so and yes. Also because 96 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 4: I love, like I just said, I love women, and 97 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 4: I'm always looking for content that's not self help but 98 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 4: that's really from scripture, yes, to help women navigate like 99 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 4: actual practical parts of life. 100 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 3: You were speaking my language. 101 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 2: Practicals is like the word that I probably say the 102 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 2: most here on the podcast is like, now, how do 103 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 2: we practically apply this? How do we practically understand the 104 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 2: context of what we're reading here and not just you know, 105 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 2: all the things. So I love that you do that 106 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: in your book. I think that's one of the things 107 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 2: that I love the most about is that there is 108 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 2: a practical application to what we are reading about these 109 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 2: women's lives that was also for them and for them 110 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: in their specific stories. But the word matriarch, I'm sure 111 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 2: that there are some women who hear that word and 112 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: they're like, well, I'm not a mom, So how does 113 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 2: this book even apply to me? Because because it's more 114 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 2: than that, right, it's more than just like the title 115 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 2: of being a mom that makes you a matriarch? So 116 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 2: can you just like speak to that a little bit, 117 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 2: like what do you mean by the term matriarch? 118 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: Absolutely? 119 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 4: I actually just taught this at our church to about 120 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 4: six hundred women, and so many of them were young 121 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 4: single women who were like, Paige, I'm showing up because 122 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 4: I like you, but yeah, the fly to me, and 123 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 4: I think that word matriarch. I really think it is 124 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 4: more of this this picture to me of the fact 125 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 4: that women carry authority, and I believe we are called 126 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 4: to birth things, not just children, but ideas, businesses, ministries 127 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 4: maybe are creative outlet of some sort. Maybe it's like 128 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 4: a small mentoring group, or even like a new way 129 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 4: of doing things in your family. And so the way 130 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 4: I kind of define it in the book is a 131 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 4: matrix as anyone who partners with the Lord to birth 132 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 4: something of his kingdom into the world. 133 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: And that looks like a lot of things. You know. 134 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 2: I love the and I actually want to dive into 135 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 2: that because I think that was one of the things 136 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 2: that stood out to me the most in the book, 137 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 2: is this idea of birthing. And that's not just because 138 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,239 Speaker 2: of the season of life that I'm in, but even 139 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 2: just being called into ministry me when I was fourteen 140 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 2: years old. 141 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 3: I'm twenty nine now. 142 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 2: It's like I have seen a lot of things birthed 143 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 2: as I have partnered with God and yielded to what 144 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 2: he wanted to do in my life and in partnership 145 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 2: with him. So, like you said, it could be a family, 146 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 2: or it could be a ministry. It could be a 147 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 2: business or a movement, or an idea or a specific calling. 148 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 2: And you talk about it in five different stages of 149 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 2: what it looks like to partner with God in a 150 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 2: God promise. So can we go through those five stages, 151 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: even if it's just briefly starting with receiving the promise? 152 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 2: And maybe if there's a specific person or a matriarch 153 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 2: in scripture that you want to pull from as inspiration. 154 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 2: I'd just love to hear you explain that because I 155 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 2: like how you. 156 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: Detail it, so I do. 157 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 4: As I study these women's lives, I kind of saw 158 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 4: these themes and it is this stage of partner with God. 159 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: So yeah, the first stage I call receive the promise. 160 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 4: And really what this means is, yeah, when God just 161 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 4: drops this idea or this vision or this thing you 162 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 4: just can't shake. I really do believe it's a promise 163 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 4: from God, but sometimes it's a challenge to believe believe 164 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 4: that He wants to work with you and through you. 165 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 4: We are our biggest critics. We see our weaknesses, we 166 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 4: see our flaws. As I was studying, I really felt 167 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 4: drawn to Sarah, who's originally named Sarai, and she very 168 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 4: much is the weak link in the story because the 169 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 4: promise is that they're going to become, you know, parents 170 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 4: of this nation, and she just sees what she lacks, 171 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 4: you know, that she's barren, she's unable to have children. 172 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of like cultural concepts in 173 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 4: her mind. I think at that time there really was 174 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 4: a belief that if you're barren, that means you're cursed 175 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 4: by God. And so it was a struggle for her 176 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 4: to receive the promise. But I think you see, she 177 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 4: eventually gets not secondhand revelation from the Lord through her husband. 178 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: But she hears his voice for herself. 179 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 4: Then she gets it. So that's the first stage. The 180 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 4: second stage is what I call waiting. And again I'm 181 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 4: looking at the birth analogy. There's nine months we have 182 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 4: to wait before we have kids. And I think anytime 183 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 4: the Lord gives us an idea, there's gonna be a 184 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 4: season of waiting because God is developing things inside of 185 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 4: us and around us. And I don't know anybody that 186 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 4: likes to wait. I think waiting. 187 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 3: Nobody likes the waiting room. It's like, let me just 188 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 3: get to my appointment. So I can be done with 189 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 3: this all. 190 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: Right, exactly right. 191 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 4: Like I got put on hold the other day by 192 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 4: a bank and I just you lose. 193 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 3: Your mind after hearing the song for the fifth time, 194 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 3: that you do. 195 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 4: I was actually I had it on in the car 196 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 4: I was driving, and my daughter was with me, and 197 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 4: she literally said, Mom, by the way, if I ever 198 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 4: own my own company, I am going to have great waiting. 199 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: Music, so sign out. 200 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 2: Yeah. 201 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 4: I was like, I agreed, agreed, let's make waiting as 202 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 4: enjoyable as possible. But I do think when we discover 203 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 4: that waiting a in a waste, that God is really 204 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 4: working in it and through it, then then we kind 205 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 4: of get a vision for it. 206 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: And waiting is a time of like growing what I 207 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: call our expectancy. 208 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 4: You know, we call moms expectant before they have those babies, 209 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 4: and we should become expectant in what God is going 210 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 4: to do. So waiting well, and in the third stage, 211 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 4: I Kurby. I tried to find a better terminology for 212 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 4: this because I call it lean into pain, and I fought, 213 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 4: I just was like, you know what, I'm not going 214 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 4: to sugarcoat it. 215 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: I think for every. 216 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 4: Woman or man when we say yes to the Lord 217 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 4: and it's time to I kind of see. 218 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 1: The stage is like the time to finally move. 219 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 4: To finally like and sometimes the movement is actually very painful. 220 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 4: Maybe the Lord is actually kind of almost pruning or 221 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 4: stripping away something so we can fully step into whatever 222 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 4: this new thing is with him. 223 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: And it hurts, but it's good, and it's kind of 224 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: like one of those I know this is going to 225 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:02,719 Speaker 1: be good. 226 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 4: I just I need to get into alignment with him. 227 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 4: So it's the third stage. And then once we have 228 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 4: this child, or maybe we launch a ministry or start 229 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 4: a business or for me and you also write a book, Like, 230 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 4: once that thing is actually in the world, our job 231 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 4: isn't over, our responsibility isn't over. 232 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 1: So the fourth stage is what I call nurture. 233 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 4: And then that's where we really have to deal with 234 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 4: even some of our own insecurity and really focus on 235 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 4: the thing that God has called us to birth and 236 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 4: make sure that we're pouring. 237 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: Into that thing. And then last stage is release. 238 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 4: Because God is a god of generations, and so I 239 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 4: don't think the things that He asks us to do, 240 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 4: they're not about us, They're about Him ultimately, and so 241 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 4: sometimes there will be a season where it's time to 242 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,839 Speaker 4: kind of shift either the leadership of a thing, or 243 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 4: if we are actually talking about motherhood, my sister is 244 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 4: actually releasing her oldest child to college next week and release. 245 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 1: You know, here's the thing. 246 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 4: All of the stages are hard, they're they're their own 247 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 4: kind of hard, but they're also their own kind of beautiful. 248 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, I love that. And I love that 249 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 2: you tell you detail this through the stories of these 250 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 2: women in scripture because it's like we we can hear 251 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 2: these practical steps and it's like, Okay, that's great, but 252 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 2: we see the humanity of going through it and wrestling 253 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 2: with it through reading, through reading scripture, which testifies to 254 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: the faithfulness of God at the end of the day. 255 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 2: And I think that's the thing that's the most exciting 256 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 2: is that you know, if God has planted a promise 257 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 2: in you to be birthed into this world, if He 258 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 2: has chosen a partner with you with a specific dream 259 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 2: or vision or or even family or whatever it could be, 260 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 2: it's not all on you to see it through to 261 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 2: the end. That's the thing that matters most is that 262 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 2: the conception of an idea, the conception of a god 263 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 2: sized promise requires God to be at the forefront of 264 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 2: bringing this thing about, so it's important that we do 265 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 2: partner with him and not put all the pressure on 266 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 2: us to be the leader of this thing, to be 267 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 2: the person who make sure that it turns out perfectly 268 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 2: or on our timeline or whatever we imagined it to 269 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 2: look like. Because I think about the women of the Bible, right, 270 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 2: or even the men of the Bible, but specifically the women, 271 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 2: since we're talking about matriarchs, and it's like the way 272 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 2: that God orchestrated their stories wasn't always the way that 273 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 2: they probably imagined, right, the promise of a child or 274 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 2: the promise of an idea, It really did require leaning 275 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 2: on the Lord and trusting him in that process of 276 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 2: bringing something from its conception all the way to its 277 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 2: delivery and thereon, like you said, nurturing it and actually 278 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 2: seeing it through, not just stopping when it's like. 279 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 3: Okay, we've arrived. 280 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 2: It's like, no, I mean, I completely agree too, in 281 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 2: the fact that, like I've read in two books and 282 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 2: it's like I've spent all this time, you know, coming 283 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 2: up with the idea of it, partnering with God and 284 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 2: then actually writing it and then editing it and then 285 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: coming up with, okay, the marketing strategy and all these things, 286 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 2: and then it's like all this time has passed, and 287 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 2: then finally it's like, Okay, the book is now here, 288 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 2: but that's still the starting line, even though it feels 289 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 2: like the finish line, and maybe someone listening today is 290 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 2: in a season. I think that's the thing that sticks 291 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: out to me the most, is this idea of nurturing 292 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 2: what God has allowed you to bring into the world, 293 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 2: that it doesn't just stop when it happens. It's something 294 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: that we need to continue to be faithful to cultivate 295 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 2: many of us for the sake of the Kingdom, for 296 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 2: the sake of the benefit of other people that God 297 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 2: has called us to disciple or evangelize to, or witness to, 298 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 2: whatever that might be. That that was something that specifically 299 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 2: ministered to me in your book that I loved, But 300 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 2: I want to I want to shift gears and talk 301 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 2: about another topic just because we only have a couple 302 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 2: minutes here together. Was the idea of the power of 303 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 2: your yes and how you contrasted that between Eve and Mary. 304 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 2: I loved that, So I would love to just give 305 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 2: you the floor just about the consequences that came from 306 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 2: both of those those women's decisions and choices, and the 307 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 2: weight of our own decision of obedience in our everyday 308 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 2: life when it comes to giving God our yes. 309 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, I this was like one of those like download. 310 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: Revelation moments between me and the Lord. 311 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 4: Honestly, like almost a decade ago, I was I was 312 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 4: reading the story about Mary and you know when the 313 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 4: angel Gabriel comes to her and says, hey, you are 314 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 4: chosen and highly favored and you're going to get to, 315 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 4: you know, be the the mother of the Savior, and 316 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 4: she has to say yes. She has to literally say, 317 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 4: let it be into me according to your word. And 318 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 4: for some reason, I know it's a holy spirit. I 319 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 4: just had this thought of you know what, that was 320 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 4: such an unexpected voice, and yet she says yes. And 321 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 4: I thought about Eve and she also had this moment 322 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 4: where an unexpected voice, which was the serpent, which was 323 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 4: the enemy, came to her and tempts her to take 324 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 4: the fruit and eat of it. And she also has 325 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 4: a choice to make and she says yes. And so 326 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 4: two women have moments where they're invited to say yes, 327 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 4: and both of their yeses absolutely changed the trajectory. 328 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: Of human history. 329 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 4: Eve says yes to the serpent, takes the fruit, sends 330 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 4: and eats of it, and sin and death and just 331 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 4: everything enters into the world like everything is changed because 332 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 4: of one woman's yes. 333 00:16:54,400 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 1: And then Mary, Mary has the opportunity say yes. So 334 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: what I found fascinating though, is. 335 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 4: When God is talking and he is he's actually like 336 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 4: doling out like the curse. He says to the serpent, 337 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 4: you know you're gonna be cursed and have all you know, 338 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 4: have enmity between woman and her seed. 339 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: And yet he says, even in the curse, but her 340 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 1: seed one day is going to crush your head. 341 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 4: And I just thought, how beautiful of the Lord, like, 342 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 4: even in this devastating moment that was brought on because 343 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 4: a woman said yes to the wrong voice. Because a 344 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 4: yes is more than just like a word, A yes 345 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 4: is actually alignment with someone or something. And I think 346 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 4: that's what's so so brain for each of us to 347 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 4: realize is every time that we say yes, what are 348 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 4: what are we? 349 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: What are we coming into alignment with? 350 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 4: Are we coming in alignment with what the Lord is 351 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 4: doing and what the Lord is saying? 352 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 1: Are we coming into alignment with truth? 353 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 4: Or are we coming into alignment with our flesh and 354 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 4: our once and and the enemy ultimately, And yet even 355 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 4: when we do, there's like this little glimmer of hope 356 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 4: that like the Lord can step in and redeem. And 357 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 4: we see that when Mary says yes. And so when 358 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 4: she says yes to the Lord, she ushers in the 359 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 4: second greatest and ultimate changer of all humanity because she 360 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 4: gets to usher in the birth of the Savior. 361 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: And so I just I just. 362 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 4: Love that that both of those things happen through women 363 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 4: saying yes. 364 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 365 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 2: Literally God, God brought about redemption from the very beginning, 366 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 2: and I think that's so cool because it's like we 367 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 2: we can so villainize Eve and that kind of breaks 368 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 2: my heart because I'm like, how often are we making mistakes? 369 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 3: Like let's let's be real and take inventory of our. 370 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 2: Own life, like she was deceived, but even in the 371 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 2: fall of humanity that did happen because of deception. I 372 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 2: love that you pointed that out where it's like this 373 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 2: other yes completely redeemed it completely redeemed it through yielding 374 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 2: to God and bringing about Christ. 375 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 3: Like that's just it's. 376 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 2: So humbling to think about they were both in like 377 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 2: this this season. 378 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 3: Like, I mean, Mary was like a young girl. 379 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 2: The times were different then, right, It's like she was 380 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 2: this young girl, but she was willing, Like she yielded 381 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 2: to the promises of God. 382 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 3: She yielded to the voice of God, well to the. 383 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 2: Promises that came through the angel that came and delivered 384 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 2: this message to her of what God was doing. And 385 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 2: I don't know, that's just it's just beautiful to see 386 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 2: that these women who were put in these situations, they 387 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 2: when they eventually yielded to God, something redemptive came out 388 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 2: of it. That God was always working at something good 389 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 2: in the background. But as we get closer towards the 390 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 2: end of this episode, you know, when you look at 391 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 2: Sarah and Rebecca and Rachel and Leah and Hagar and 392 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 2: Eve and Mary, all these women that you talk about 393 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 2: in detail through the book that are detailed throughout the Bible, 394 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 2: and you ultimately look at your own life, what do 395 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 2: you hope that the women who are reading. 396 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,479 Speaker 3: This book or listening to this book or even this episode. 397 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 2: Begin to believe about their own place in God's story? 398 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 2: What are you hoping that they walk away with even 399 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 2: you know, if her life feels ordinary because we can 400 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 2: read the Bible and be like, these are extraordinary people, 401 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 2: with these extraordinary legacies, with these extraordinary promises, and it's 402 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 2: like everything can feel just so like times ten when 403 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 2: it comes to the will of God, and a woman 404 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 2: might be thinking like, but I'm just washing dishes, but 405 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 2: I'm just dropping off my kid at daycare to go 406 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 2: work my lame nine to five job that I'm not 407 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 2: content with, Like when it comes to her place in 408 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 2: God's story, what do you hope she takes away from 409 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 2: reading the book? 410 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 4: I love this, Kirry, because I think don't all of 411 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 4: us feel that way at some point in time. I 412 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 4: can't tell you how many women have said to me like, 413 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 4: but you are, and I'm like, I am so ordinary. 414 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: And I look back at my life and you know what, 415 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: when I was. 416 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 4: Twenty four, before I had any kids or before I 417 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 4: saw myself doing many things, I know, I remember the 418 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 4: Lord coming to me so clearly, and he gave me 419 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 4: this idea to start a missions ministry, and I immediately 420 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 4: just thought, this is ridiculous. 421 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not the girl for the job. And think 422 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: I think probably Mary. 423 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 4: Felt that way when the angel Gabriel came to her 424 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 4: this is ridiculous. 425 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: I'm not the girl for the job. 426 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 4: And yet okay, okay, I'll try to say yes. And 427 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 4: twenty years later, I still have to wrestle with that. 428 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 4: You know, I said yes at twenty four, but I 429 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 4: still now in my forties, have to say, Lord when 430 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 4: you come and I feel like you're inviting me to 431 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,239 Speaker 4: do something, I still feel like, am I really the 432 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 4: girl for the job? 433 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: And I'm not sure, but I'll say yes. 434 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 4: So my hope is that every woman that yeah, if 435 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 4: you are washing dishes, but the Lord is inviting. 436 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: You to speak. 437 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 4: Life into that one friend that we are all tempted 438 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 4: to say my words don't matter. But what if instead 439 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 4: we said, Lord, I'm gonna be honest, I don't see it, 440 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 4: but I'll say yes. And so even in just the 441 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 4: smallest steps of obedience, if we would say yes, I 442 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:32,360 Speaker 4: guarantee you in the moment, Mary didn't realize how pivotal 443 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 4: her yes would be. In the moment, Sarah Rebecca, they 444 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 4: were just walking around in the desert hoping to have 445 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 4: a kid. 446 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: You know, Sarah had no idea that one. 447 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 4: Day she would end up in Hebrews chapter eleven, you know, 448 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 4: and the heroes of faith. She was just she was 449 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 4: just trying to be faithful and obedient with the life 450 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 4: in front of her. And I think that that's even 451 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 4: like the thought with matriarchs is like none of us 452 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 4: see ourselves as I am the Ma, But like when 453 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 4: we say yes to God, every yes, every small decision, 454 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 4: every partnership with Him, it has the chance to leave 455 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 4: a lasting legacy. 456 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 1: And so let's just let's try it. 457 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 4: Let's be bold, let's say yes, let's make that phone call, 458 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 4: let's start that discipleship group. 459 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 1: Let's let's try to parent in a different way than 460 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: our parents parented us. 461 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 4: Like, just in those small things, it really can change 462 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 4: things for future generations. 463 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 3: That's awesome. Well, I'm excited for people to read this. 464 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 2: Book for themselves and to dive into it not only 465 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 2: to discover more about themselves and what God has called 466 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 2: them to do and the plans and the promises God 467 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,959 Speaker 2: has wanted to partner with them in their own lives, 468 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 2: but I'm also excited for these women to dive into 469 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 2: the stories of Scripture even more through your faithful research 470 00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 2: and just telling of these stories. So where can't people 471 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 2: grab their copy of it today? Because it is out. 472 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 2: It is out now. 473 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 3: People can get Matriarchs where books are sold. Yeah, where 474 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 3: can they get It's. 475 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: Just like that, Yeah that you can get it anywhere. 476 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 4: Can get it on Amazon, It's at Barnes and Noble, 477 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 4: anywhere books are. 478 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: Anywhere books are sold, you can find it. There's also 479 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: an audiobook if you're more of a prefer to listen 480 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: to it. And I got to read it, so that 481 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 1: was really fun. 482 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 3: So yeah, yes, that's the best. I love that. Well again, everyone, 483 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 3: Page Allen. 484 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 2: My incredible guest. I'm so happy that she got to 485 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 2: be on here today. Her book is called Matriarchs, What 486 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 2: the Women of Genesis teach us about our part in 487 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 2: God's story. 488 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 3: Get it? Maybe get it. 489 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: With you and your girlfriends and read it together, Like 490 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 2: I feel like that would be such a fun way 491 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 2: to do it, to read through it. I know that 492 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 2: we got book clubs. I know that so many people 493 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 2: are getting back into the swing of that. So maybe 494 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 2: grab a couple of your girlfriends, get this book, read 495 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 2: it together, and be challenged find accountability amongst one another, 496 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 2: to birth the the promise that God has put in 497 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 2: your heart, and to be faithful, to lean into the pain, 498 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 2: and to nurture it well and to release it into 499 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 2: the world so that you can cling on to the 500 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 2: next thing that God has for you. I don't know, 501 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 2: so that could be a fun little challenge for you 502 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 2: in your community to do. But even if not, you 503 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 2: get it for yourself. I'll link it all down below, 504 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 2: But until next time, I love you guys, thanks for 505 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 2: tuning into this week's episode, and yeah, say yes. 506 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 3: To God, be faithful. I'll see you next week. Bye. 507 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 2: For more life giving, faith based podcast just like this one, 508 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 2: check out lifeaudio dot com, a proud partner of the 509 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 2: beloved podcast