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Speaker 1: by United States Senator Tom Cotton. He is a Republican
Speaker 1: from Arkansas. I when it's primary easily last week. He
Speaker 1: is also the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee and
Speaker 1: chair of the House Republican Conference. Senator, thank you for
Speaker 1: joining us. Before you were a senator, you were a congressman.
Speaker 1: Before you were a congressman, you were a soldier. He
Speaker 1: is fought in iraqiught in Afghanistan, and you served with
Speaker 1: the Old Guard at Arlington. So the seven US Army
Speaker 1: soldiers who've been killed in this combat have I'm sure
Speaker 1: near and dear to you. What do you assess the
Speaker 1: war as? How is it going? Given the casualties we've
Speaker 1: had and expect.
Speaker 2: Oh, Hugh and and I join all our kansons and
Speaker 2: grieving for those seven heroes who were killed and wishing
Speaker 2: our best condolences and sending prayers to their families.
Speaker 3: But they have not died in vain.
Speaker 4: This is an.
Speaker 2: Absolutely vital and necessary war against a revolutionary terror supporting
Speaker 2: country that's been killing Americans for forty seven years, to
Speaker 2: include maiming and killing thousands of other soldiers who served
Speaker 2: in Afghanistan back in the same time.
Speaker 5: I did so.
Speaker 2: We always grieved the loss of our heroes on the battlefield,
Speaker 2: but this war was vitally necessary, and so far our
Speaker 2: brave and skillful troops have been met with smashing success.
Speaker 2: You saw the briefing that Admiral Cooper dave last week
Speaker 2: that gave you the best information you can know about
Speaker 2: the successes so far, which is Iranian raids of fire
Speaker 2: have collapsed from the first days of the conflict. That
Speaker 2: means we've been extraordinarily successful in destroying their missiles, their drones,
Speaker 2: and their launchers, which was one of the very top
Speaker 2: objectives in this campaign. Obviously, he continues will continue to
Speaker 2: target those forces, their navy, their communications, the regime thugs
Speaker 2: like the Seas militias, the Cuds force, the Revolutionary Guard
Speaker 2: core that spread and foments revolutionary violence and terror and
Speaker 2: oppress their own people. There's still more work to be done,
Speaker 2: But a week and a half in, I don't think
Speaker 2: it could be going better for our brave and skillful troops.
Speaker 1: Sarah cottin ten days in. We also now have a
Speaker 1: new Supreme leader. How many two point zero or at
Speaker 1: least half of how many two point zero is said
Speaker 1: that he had been seriously wounded in the attacks thus far.
Speaker 1: That is a break with Homini, the founder of the
Speaker 1: regime's theology. The fanatics said we should not have hereditary
Speaker 1: succession for Supreme leader. I think that causes stresses inside
Speaker 1: of the regime.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you hear, You're right about that. There's always been
Speaker 2: always in the official position that the Supreme leader role
Speaker 2: should not be hereditariat be selected by the so called
Speaker 2: assembly of experts, who are having tough time assembling right
Speaker 2: now in peace and quiet thanks to the United States
Speaker 2: and Israel. But I can't help but imagine it does
Speaker 2: cause some internal dissension and rivalry within the ranks of
Speaker 2: the senior leaders of Iran who oppose out on ideological
Speaker 2: grounds or perhaps on personal grounds. And that about you
Speaker 2: right now, I don't care how radical and fanatical. And
Speaker 2: I tell a lie I was, I'm not sure i'd
Speaker 2: want that job title. Well, the US and Iran is
Speaker 2: still owning the skies above Iran.
Speaker 1: Another the Admiral gave and update on the sinkings last
Speaker 1: week that is now out of date because another one
Speaker 1: occurred today or two occurred today. Open Source Center. Do
Speaker 1: we know anything about their underwater navy? That had five
Speaker 1: regular submarines diesels, at least one of which has been sunk,
Speaker 1: But they had a lot of submersibles and things like that.
Speaker 1: I know we have pH flying out there. What do
Speaker 1: you think about that? What can you tell us about that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do have sizeable naval forces. Now they're what
Speaker 2: you and I and most Americans might call more of
Speaker 2: a coastguard. A lot of these ships, to include some
Speaker 2: of those submersible as you mentioned, are smaller. Some of
Speaker 2: them are autonomous. They're not designed to be on the
Speaker 2: blue blue water seas, to design for the Persian Gulf
Speaker 2: and the Straight of Four Moves, And it's one of
Speaker 2: our objectives as well, to think their entire navy. It's
Speaker 2: not as urgent objective because they can't project They usually
Speaker 2: can't project power against our bases or against our friends
Speaker 2: in the Middle East. That's why the missiles and the
Speaker 2: drones and the launchers were the first objective, because we
Speaker 2: needed to take those out to protect our troops and
Speaker 2: to protect our friends in the region. But in the end,
Speaker 2: I expect to see Iron's navy at the bottom of
Speaker 2: the ocean, so they can't continue to threaten shipping fubustraight
Speaker 2: of for Moose.
Speaker 1: All right now, Sarah, I want to turn to funding
Speaker 1: the combat. It's been expensive, It's going to continue to
Speaker 1: be expensive. We had a big plus up in the
Speaker 1: defense build, but we need more. And I was asked
Speaker 1: by Brian Kilmead last night, what about its elemental I
Speaker 1: don't think it gets sixty votes, given that the Democrats
Speaker 1: are turning into part of the appeasement, could a second
Speaker 1: reconciliation that focused narrowly on the Department of War actually
Speaker 1: make it through the House and the Senate always possible?
Speaker 2: With you, I wouldn't necessarily rule out a supplemental bill,
Speaker 2: although you're right the Democrats amazingly at a time when
Speaker 2: no one else in the world is supporting a rime,
Speaker 2: not even their former quasi allies like guitar or Oman
Speaker 2: or Turkey. The one group left it supporting a rime
Speaker 2: in this conflict and rooting for their success. SMS to
Speaker 2: be the Democratic Party. But there's no question that after
Speaker 2: this war concludes ns operas a Trump statement today that
Speaker 2: it may include sooner rather than later, because they're even
Speaker 2: ahead of their timetables. There's going to be need to
Speaker 2: be some kind of additional defense spending, especially to replace
Speaker 2: the very expensive, very high end long range stand on
Speaker 2: munitions that we used in the first twenty four to
Speaker 2: seventy two hours, things like Patriot and fat missile defense interceptors,
Speaker 2: prison missiles, Tomahawk missiles and such things. We need that
Speaker 2: not just because of this conflict, but we've always needed
Speaker 2: a lot more of it because of the conflict in
Speaker 2: Ukraine and the ter China from going for the jug
Speaker 2: dealer in Taiwan.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you about Cuba center, since it's been
Speaker 1: a light with fires and revolt in the last few days,
Speaker 1: what do you think is our plan for our island's neighbor.
Speaker 2: Sorry, you're breaking up a little bit.
Speaker 1: What do you think is the plan for Cuba, which
Speaker 1: has had revolution in the streets in the last few nights.
Speaker 2: What did Doesident Trump say about it last week? Voluntary
Speaker 2: transfer or along those lines easal handover look, Cuba has
Speaker 2: never been able to support itself since the Castro Revolution.
Speaker 2: For around thirty years, they had supportive Soviet Russia. Soviet
Speaker 2: Russia provided them financial ACoM support, They provided the shock
Speaker 2: troops for communist insurgencies in Latin America and Africa. They
Speaker 2: were on the ropes in the nineteen nineties up to
Speaker 2: the collapse of the Soviet Union. But then Hugo shaves
Speaker 2: through my lifeline in the late nineteen nineties and ever since,
Speaker 2: Venezuela has been propping up the cast Grow regime. In return,
Speaker 2: they provided security to the Chavistas in Venezuela, although that
Speaker 2: security proved not to be very helpful during the Maduro
Speaker 2: raid when a lot of Cubans were up dead. On
Speaker 2: the objective, I think without that support from Venezuela, Cubans
Speaker 2: government and really to its entire economy just seizes up
Speaker 2: in a matter of minds, And I think that's what
Speaker 2: the President is talking about, like literally, they can't survive
Speaker 2: without that support from Venezuela. So I would imagine that
Speaker 2: there are people in Havannah right now, imagine thinking of
Speaker 2: themselves as the Velz Rodriguez of Cuba, or wondering if
Speaker 2: they can get one way tickets look to join Bachelor
Speaker 2: Alasade Costcoal.
Speaker 1: I agree. Last question, Colleague Mark Wayne Mullen. I got
Speaker 1: to fly on Thursday. I gotta fly on Saturday. We
Speaker 1: need DHS up and running. Does he have the votes?
Speaker 1: How quickly can he get confirmed?
Speaker 2: I assume that's going to be a priority, I think
Speaker 2: for the Senate, Hugh. The President said that Secretary No
Speaker 2: would stay in the job until March thirty. First, that's
Speaker 2: just about the time that will break to be back
Speaker 2: home with our people during Easter. So I would imagine
Speaker 2: the administration is working over time to get all of
Speaker 2: Mark Wayne's papers lined up and up to the Home
Speaker 2: on Security Government Fairs Committee, and we'll do everything we
Speaker 2: can to profess his nomination expeditiously.
Speaker 1: Senator Tom Cotton, No, it's good to talk to you
Speaker 1: and get all the info. I appreciate it very much.
Speaker 1: Welcome back in America. I'm Hugh Hewett, joined now by
Speaker 1: Fox News' own Lucas Tomlinson. He is in the war,
Speaker 1: He's in Dubai, Lucas, what is the day like today?
Speaker 1: Has the UAE can you had to come under attack
Speaker 1: from Iran.
Speaker 6: It's been a little quiet in the past twenty four hours, Hue.
Speaker 6: That doesn't mean it's been quiet since this war in
Speaker 6: Iran began. In fact, Ua has been the main target
Speaker 6: for Iran. Iran has fired over fourteen hundred drones at
Speaker 6: this country about the size of South Carolina, and has
Speaker 6: launched over.
Speaker 7: Two hundred and fifty ballistic missiles.
Speaker 6: The good news, the Amuradis are intercepting all of Iran's
Speaker 6: projectiles to the extent of over ninety two percent have
Speaker 6: been shot down. But it has come at a cost,
Speaker 6: and it came at a cost. Today an Amaradi helicopter
Speaker 6: crashed while intercepting a drone, likely an Apache gunship, because
Speaker 6: two soldiers were named as being killed in the crash.
Speaker 6: So that is something that Iran promised that if there
Speaker 6: would be a war, they would start a regional one.
Speaker 6: And what's happened is here in the Gulf States is
Speaker 6: every country has come under attack from Iran, but there
Speaker 6: the air defense has been very strong this far.
Speaker 1: Lucas, Iran fired a missile at Turkey today, Air one
Speaker 1: the president of that country express dismay. But that is
Speaker 1: an Article five issue, is that it doesn't the rest
Speaker 1: of NATO have to come in now.
Speaker 6: It sure is if Turkey were to invoke Article five,
Speaker 6: and of course goes to a bit of a bureaucratic process, Hugh.
Speaker 7: But you're right.
Speaker 6: The Turkey is a NATO member and they were attacked,
Speaker 6: and they certainly can it's within their right to invoke
Speaker 6: Article five. But if you're relying on the British forces,
Speaker 6: as you've seen, could be waiting for a little while
Speaker 6: because they only have a few service combatants ready to deploy.
Speaker 6: In fact, one of their destroyers top twenty three destroyers,
Speaker 6: which is only good for air defense. Right now the
Speaker 6: Royal Navy, Nelson's rolling over in his grave. We only
Speaker 6: have about ten service combatants that they can muster, and
Speaker 6: all their destroyers and frigates are only for air defense,
Speaker 6: which would come in handy of course in this war,
Speaker 6: but cannot fire long range cruise missiles. You see Prime
Speaker 6: Minister Kure Starmer there. We heard President Trump say that
Speaker 6: he's no Churchill. But the French are deploying their aircraft
Speaker 6: carrier to the eastern Mediterranean, which will be strategic because
Speaker 6: the Ford aircraft carrier Strike Group has been moved over
Speaker 6: the weekend from the Eastern Mediterranean transit of the Suez
Speaker 6: Canal is now in the Red Sea in case the
Speaker 6: Huthies would get involved. That brings two aircraft carrier strike
Speaker 6: groups to this part of the world's the Arabian Peninsula.
Speaker 1: So Lukas, one of the people in Dubai tell you
Speaker 1: about this war. Are they glad they're finally coming to
Speaker 1: blows or is it? Are they still too worried about
Speaker 1: the fact that the Islamic Republic has gone Yosemite sam
Speaker 1: on everyone.
Speaker 6: They're not happy things have come to blows to you.
Speaker 6: But officials I've spoken to says this is an attack
Speaker 6: on Dubai's way of life, the UAE's way of life.
Speaker 6: This is a very open society. Here is one of
Speaker 6: the wealthiest cities in the world. In fact, right behind
Speaker 6: me you can see the Burgh Khalifa. That's the tallest
Speaker 6: building in the world, one hundred and sixty three floors.
Speaker 6: Most of the people here, we've seen that Dubai Malas
Speaker 6: is behind me as well, are carrying on.
Speaker 7: But this is also a hub of tourism and right.
Speaker 6: Now the hotels are taking a beating, if not physically
Speaker 6: from a couple of those drones.
Speaker 7: Really an ox been seeing, Hugh.
Speaker 6: The hotel some of the hotels have gone from about
Speaker 6: sixty percent occupan seed down to thirty percent. Some hotels
Speaker 6: we've heard about have gone down to one percent. And
Speaker 6: these are hotels that are normally matched out you know,
Speaker 6: ninety eight ninety nine percent. So the people we've talked
Speaker 6: to you on the street, if you were walking along,
Speaker 6: you wouldn't always think you're you're in war right now
Speaker 6: or in the conflict in the crosshairs of Iran.
Speaker 7: Again, that meant those stats once again.
Speaker 6: Iran has fired over fourteen hundred drones of this country,
Speaker 6: over two hundred and fifty blisting missiles. Most have been intercepted,
Speaker 6: you hear, I've heard some of those intercepts this morning.
Speaker 6: But for the government, they also think there's an attack
Speaker 6: on their way of life. It's also proximity, Hugh. At
Speaker 6: the closest point, the ua is only forty five miles
Speaker 6: from Iran, and as you've seen with the thousands of
Speaker 6: drones that have been launched, UAE is a big target.
Speaker 6: Of course, the signer of the Abraham accords from President
Speaker 6: Trump's first term. Iranian say they're attacking any country where
Speaker 6: there are American bases. Of course, you have Aldafra Air
Speaker 6: Base for as we kept our fast movers, our fighter jets,
Speaker 6: but no strikes against Iran have been launched from the UA.
Speaker 6: Of course, all that was moved, and we are seeing
Speaker 6: some traffic moving in the region. A lot of US
Speaker 6: Air Force tankers are leaving Saudi Arabia after those oil.
Speaker 7: Fields came under attack.
Speaker 6: You can't talk about the Gulf States right now and
Speaker 6: not talk about the price of oil, which at one
Speaker 6: point went over one hundred dollars a barrel. That was
Speaker 6: a fifty sixty percent rise over pre war prices. The
Speaker 6: Suez can have this season, with the straight of Hornor Moves,
Speaker 6: has effectively been closed. The Iranians are not mining it,
Speaker 6: but they have threatened any vessel to go through. We
Speaker 6: heard from the Energy Secretary Chris Right who said he
Speaker 6: would like to see US Navy begin escort missions. That's
Speaker 6: gonna be very dangerous.
Speaker 8: I was.
Speaker 7: You can see you right there in the map, Hew.
Speaker 6: You know, as closest point, you're only a few miles
Speaker 6: from Iranian shores of any kind of Iranian ANPTI ship.
Speaker 7: Cruise missile or some of those drones.
Speaker 6: You wouldn't have very long to react, So very dangerous undertaking.
Speaker 1: So Lucas. Before the war began, I was told by
Speaker 1: Iranian navy experts that they had five submarines. I know
Speaker 1: they've lost one. They also have a lot of many.
Speaker 1: Have you talked to anyone about the threat to our
Speaker 1: navy from these underwater vehicles and underwater drums from Iran?
Speaker 7: It's something they're looking for you.
Speaker 6: In fact, remember when you have the Lincoln Strike Group,
Speaker 6: but we don't talk about as much as there's always
Speaker 6: a fast attack submarine in the strike group, and of
Speaker 6: course Ford will be bringing one as well, so it.
Speaker 7: Is a threat they're looking at.
Speaker 6: However, we have heard from the Pentagon, from the Secretary
Speaker 6: of Warped egg st there that over forty ships have
Speaker 6: been taken out, and it seems that that's a very
Speaker 6: strategic move to try to free up the straight or
Speaker 6: horror moves.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 7: One thing to consider also cute.
Speaker 6: China gets forty percent of our oil from tankers that
Speaker 6: pass through the straight or form moves, So you have
Speaker 6: to think, while straight is closed right now, at some point,
Speaker 6: China will want that reopened and get some of the oil,
Speaker 6: in fact, to many countries in Asian, in fact throughout
Speaker 6: the world.
Speaker 1: So Lukas last question when you leave Dubai, are you
Speaker 1: going to go to Cuba or to Israel or where
Speaker 1: are you going to go next? Because there's like a
Speaker 1: war everywhere.
Speaker 6: Right I go where orders you would? Cuba would be
Speaker 6: fascinating right now. It certainly seems like a lot is
Speaker 6: happening in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 7: It's very busy, very noisy.
Speaker 1: Luc and thank you for joining me. Everyone follow him
Speaker 1: at Lucas Fox News on ex Lucas Fox News on
Speaker 1: x sank Welcome back to America. Just talking about the album Thriller.
Speaker 1: It is thrilling, sort of to live in Israel every day,
Speaker 1: under attack from the north, from Hesblah, under attack from
Speaker 1: Iran at intermittent times throughout the night. Nothing yet from mamma.
Speaker 1: I'm joined by a former Israeli ambassador to the United States,
Speaker 1: doctor Michael Oran. Well played on CNN, Doctor Oran, when
Speaker 1: you corrected the anchor, Oh, by the way, we're under
Speaker 1: attack here, I thought that was well played.
Speaker 9: They had a seven minute item you about Lebanon all
Speaker 9: the destruction that we are waking on Lebanon without mentioning one,
Speaker 9: not one of the two hundred and twenty missiles that
Speaker 9: they had fired at Israel up to that point. They
Speaker 9: fired a lot more today, and it's just it's rotten journalism.
Speaker 9: It's basically propaganda, and I wasn't gonna let him get
Speaker 9: away with it. It's enough and it's extraordinary. I was
Speaker 9: talking in the American news today. Nobody knows what's going
Speaker 9: up on North. We're under constant fire from the North.
Speaker 1: Let's talk Lebanon first. I have seen open source discussions
Speaker 1: that maybe has Belah wants to say no Moss or
Speaker 1: maybe Lebanon wants to formally agree with Israel to exterminate
Speaker 1: as Belah. What is the situation diplomatically about the northern Front.
Speaker 9: Well, it's not quite true that what the message was
Speaker 9: tonight that the Lebanese government communicated to Israel through the
Speaker 9: United States that they're interested in having ministerial level peace
Speaker 9: talks on Cyprus, and that there were actually elements Stace
Speaker 9: that educated, there were elements in his beloved say that
Speaker 9: they were on board with this.
Speaker 5: They wanted to get a.
Speaker 9: Ceasefire and the response to the Trump administration was terrific.
Speaker 9: Was Listen, you promised to dismantle his brother's arms to
Speaker 9: take to to disarm them. Excuse me, and you have
Speaker 9: them done it, and they're just going to get have
Speaker 9: now a ceasefire. We're going to go back to the
Speaker 9: status quo ante that's not that's a no go. So
Speaker 9: you start making concrete steps to fulfilling your commitment to
Speaker 9: disarm his bulla and we'll talk about it.
Speaker 5: And I thought that was an excellent response.
Speaker 1: All right, now, let's go to the news. Generally, you
Speaker 1: know that there's been a showage spill in the Potomac.
Speaker 1: They're not calling it the poo too, Mac because it's
Speaker 1: so bad. That's like my feed. I can't tell what's
Speaker 1: real and what's not real. I'm looking for hard facts
Speaker 1: about how the war is going. How do you think
Speaker 1: the war is going based on hard facts?
Speaker 9: You want the hard facts. Hamas and Iran a pretty
Speaker 9: much the same. In order to win, they have only
Speaker 9: not to lose, and they don't care how many ships
Speaker 9: they lose. They don't care how many leaders they get assassinated.
Speaker 9: They're just as long as they can come out of
Speaker 9: the bubble. At the end and go like this, then
Speaker 9: they wont and.
Speaker 5: So yeah, we've got to this. We are in maybe
Speaker 5: just the beginning stages of this. That's me the war
Speaker 5: is going to go on indefinitely.
Speaker 9: It just means there's going to be a very intense
Speaker 9: beginning of the war and then we'll keep it the
Speaker 9: pressure on Iran by having a very tight naval blockde
Speaker 9: not an oil drop of oil gets out of there.
Speaker 9: And you know, Americans, you know, we understand here. The
Speaker 9: Americans have the scars of every rack in Afghanistan and
Speaker 9: these so called endless wars. But a much better example
Speaker 9: would be the Cold War, which took decades and America
Speaker 9: kept up the pressure on the Soviet block and eventually
Speaker 9: that block fell. And this maybe happened the case here
Speaker 9: because we met barring a upheaval, you know, a domestic
Speaker 9: revolt or a type of coup within the Iranian leadership itself.
Speaker 5: We're in the army. This could go on for a
Speaker 5: very long time because they don't care.
Speaker 9: All they care about is that they don't lose, and
Speaker 9: it can come out of the rubble and make the
Speaker 9: v side well.
Speaker 1: But now Israel's navy, Israel's navy last night took out
Speaker 1: five Iranians of the Koods Force in Beirut, reminding us
Speaker 1: that not only does Israel have a navy, so does Iran.
Speaker 1: Now we've sunk that. We being in the United States,
Speaker 1: have sunk a lot of their navy, but they have
Speaker 1: five submarines at the start, at least one has been sunk,
Speaker 1: and a lot of mini subs. Will any hard reporting
Speaker 1: in Israel about the naval threat underwater from Iran?
Speaker 5: None whatsoever?
Speaker 9: Zero, Not even about the reports about what the Israeli
Speaker 9: navy has done.
Speaker 5: They're keeping that under close wrap.
Speaker 9: Okay, And I imagine there are many types of military
Speaker 9: activities that are going on that we don't know about,
Speaker 9: and we shouldn't know about.
Speaker 1: One of the things I have been making a point
Speaker 1: to say, you said, this could go on a long time.
Speaker 1: I just don't want people to think it's going to
Speaker 1: be less than two months or three months, because it's
Speaker 1: an air war, it's not a ground war. There is
Speaker 1: no march to Tehran. There's not going to be a
Speaker 1: ground and occurring. Do you think that is a fairly
Speaker 1: realistic minimum time set? Two to three months?
Speaker 9: It's realistic, and I'm a little bit more optimistic in
Speaker 9: you that once we eliminate the Iran's ability to launch
Speaker 9: missiles at US at our neighbors, then Iran is basically
Speaker 9: that kind of sitting duck. And you can maintain a
Speaker 9: much lower level of air activity, but keep up the
Speaker 9: naval blockade, keep the pressure on, and eventually they'll break.
Speaker 9: And again, the model is not Iraq, it's not Afghanist,
Speaker 9: and the model is the Cold War.
Speaker 1: Now, Ambassador, and we are on how many two point zero?
Speaker 1: We may be on half of how many two point
Speaker 1: zero given some of the reports that he's been badly injured.
Speaker 1: Does Israel have a checklist that they'll just keep going
Speaker 1: down and the assets in place to find and eliminate
Speaker 1: all of the Iranian leadership?
Speaker 9: Well, depends on who the leadership is and what their
Speaker 9: positions are. You know, if mister Mushtaba KHMANI were to
Speaker 9: come up and say, okay, I'm willing to you know,
Speaker 9: toss on the towel and I'm going to give up
Speaker 9: the nuclear dream, I'm going to give up the production
Speaker 9: of ballistic missiles, and I'm gonna stop supporting terror around
Speaker 9: the world.
Speaker 5: Okay, you know, he could be a leap there every ron.
Speaker 9: But if he's going to have the exact same policies
Speaker 9: as his father and of the founding of the Islamber
Speaker 9: Republic Homanne, then then his longevity should be should be
Speaker 9: very very short lived.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's significant Hamini, the founder, was against
Speaker 1: hereditary succession. He thought it was un Islamic, very very
Speaker 1: very verbal about that. Does it matter in the propaganda
Speaker 1: war that they've basically crowned a king and passed it
Speaker 1: on to the prince.
Speaker 9: Well, it matters internally domestically, and it has to do
Speaker 9: with his legitimacy. So tonight we're treated to these pictures
Speaker 9: of you know, tens of thousands of supporters of the
Speaker 9: regime going out and you know, chanting a lock bar
Speaker 9: and chanting, you know, for swearing fealty to the new
Speaker 9: Supreme leader. Of the question is what other Iranians think
Speaker 9: and does this chip away further at what little legitimacy
Speaker 9: this regime still had.
Speaker 1: Last question, Israel Advocacy Group, what you've founded has got
Speaker 1: to be busier than ever. Do people understand the depth
Speaker 1: of the integration of the US and Israeli military operations?
Speaker 9: They do not, And I will tell you at a
Speaker 9: personal level, at an historical level, you know, the United
Speaker 9: States and is you have always had a.
Speaker 5: Totally special relationship.
Speaker 9: In the deepest and most multifaceted strategic alliance which the
Speaker 9: United States has had with any foreign power in the
Speaker 9: post forward two period, does include the United States and
Speaker 9: Great Britain.
Speaker 5: That's much to say about that.
Speaker 9: Now and today, Israel is without question America's only truly
Speaker 9: dependable military ally in the world. An ALLI is going
Speaker 9: to be there, and a ally that's willing to fight. Now,
Speaker 9: that's extraordinary. And I don't recall anything like that of
Speaker 9: the United States and Israel a cooperating at the level
Speaker 9: they're cooperating and mounting a joint defensific it's a common enemy.
Speaker 5: It's quite extraordinary, it is.
Speaker 1: And if people understood the tactical integration as well, to
Speaker 1: the extent that it's available, I think anyone who's studied
Speaker 1: and even reads lightly about war would be as doneged.
Speaker 1: Doctor Michael Lauren has a new piece over at Fox
Speaker 1: on the fact that we've been at war with They're
Speaker 1: on for forty seven years, same sort of thing I
Speaker 1: wrote for The Daily Wire today. So go over to
Speaker 1: Dr Michael Lauren on X and find it, or you
Speaker 1: can find it on my feet. I just reposted it
Speaker 1: as well. Thank you ambacheador or and I'll be right back.
Speaker 1: Welcome back America. I'm he Hewitt, joined now by Nada Nadav.
Speaker 1: Where do we find you today.
Speaker 10: Well, I'm right now in New Jersey going to teach
Speaker 10: my class tomorrow morning.
Speaker 5: Not far from here in New York.
Speaker 1: You are at the Columbia School of International and Public Affairs.
Speaker 1: What are you going to tell your students about this war?
Speaker 10: I'm going to tell them that this is a historic
Speaker 10: moment in the history of the Middle East.
Speaker 5: It's a watershed moment.
Speaker 4: It's the first.
Speaker 10: Time that Iran has been in a direct confrontation with
Speaker 10: the United States and Israel. Since its inception, the Islamic
Speaker 10: Republic has spoken, has prophesied about a judgment day in
Speaker 10: which there would be a confrontation between itself and the West.
Speaker 10: And that day has come, and it is very much
Speaker 10: related due to the actions of the Islamic Republic in
Speaker 10: those recent decades and the way that it has based
Speaker 10: its national narrative, its creed on the ideas of death
Speaker 10: to America and death to Israel and I'm also going
Speaker 10: to discuss with students who want to discuss the complexity
Speaker 10: of this problem.
Speaker 1: Will there be a.
Speaker 10: Change within the regime, Will there be a regime change
Speaker 10: the sort of a democratic revolution that the West would
Speaker 10: want to see. These matters are really very complex and nuanced,
Speaker 10: and I think this is how.
Speaker 1: We should approach them. Nada, I have a piece in
Speaker 1: the Daily Wire today about watching the original Iranian Revolution
Speaker 1: in the fall of seventy eight in January seventy nine
Speaker 1: with former President Nixon and Ray Price and San Clementy.
Speaker 1: I had just gotten out of college, the same age
Speaker 1: of your students should be talking to today, And how
Speaker 1: many came down the steps on February one, after the
Speaker 1: show had left a ten days earlier, twelve days earlier,
Speaker 1: and no one in the West had a idea what
Speaker 1: har Many was about. They thought it was like a
Speaker 1: green red revolution and everything would be flip flowered. His
Speaker 1: theology is so radical. Two questions, Do your students know
Speaker 1: what his theological worldview is and what we think how
Speaker 1: many two point zeros worldview is and do they know
Speaker 1: that how many two point zero hereditary succession is completely
Speaker 1: contradictory to what harmony himself preached.
Speaker 10: Yeah, these are excellent questions, and I'm not sure it
Speaker 10: really depends on what kind of classes they're taking you.
Speaker 10: But I think that it was an Israel back in
Speaker 10: nineteen seventy nine, nineteen eighty, and I've seen the articles
Speaker 10: to prove this.
Speaker 5: I can send you one.
Speaker 10: Just after the show, people were saying, this is going
Speaker 10: to be a disaster. This is Hominy is a hardliner,
Speaker 10: an extremist. He's going to take this country, the entire country.
Speaker 10: He's going to seize control. And that coalition that you
Speaker 10: spoke about, the Red and Green coalition, is just going
Speaker 10: to become green. It's just going to become Islamic. And
Speaker 10: what we're seeing now that you just mentioned the hereditary
Speaker 10: nature of the regime by electing much Daba Hami Nai
Speaker 10: as the leader, the son of Ali Haminna'i, this is
Speaker 10: maybe the final betrayal of the Islamic Republic with the
Speaker 10: idea that it tried to replace the hereditary rule, the
Speaker 10: idea of monarchy that has ruled Irand for thousands of years.
Speaker 10: They came and said no more, we are a republic.
Speaker 10: This is how they describe themselves. And yet the Council
Speaker 10: of experts elected the day before yesterday the son of
Speaker 10: the former leader to lead the country. And that tells
Speaker 10: you a lot about what has happened to the Islamic
Speaker 10: Republic and the difference between the promise of the Islamic Republic,
Speaker 10: which was we are going to be a free country
Speaker 10: and an Islamist country, and that promise almost immediately evaporated
Speaker 10: towards authority.
Speaker 1: Dob I listened with you and a mate and Dan Senor,
Speaker 1: and he shouldn't be the moderate guy in Israel. So
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you that I wanted the audience
Speaker 1: to know this. Republicans are fully support of this war
Speaker 1: almost ninety percent, Democrats almost ninety five percent against it,
Speaker 1: Independent sort of three quarters against it. It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: right now. I mean to see how it ends. What's
Speaker 1: the feeling in Israel about this war, and how it
Speaker 1: has to end.
Speaker 10: The feeling in Israel, and that's almost the consensus in Israel,
Speaker 10: more than eighty percent, is that it needs to end
Speaker 10: with the resounding defeat of the Islamic Republic. It's sort
Speaker 10: of a change within the regime or a change of
Speaker 10: the regime.
Speaker 1: President Trump, I think said it best.
Speaker 10: It's not about trying to install someone else specifically there.
Speaker 10: It's about the Islamic republic answering some basic conditions, for instance,
Speaker 10: not supporting terror across the region. This is how Israelis
Speaker 10: feel about this. And if you look at Israeli opposition,
Speaker 10: the chairman of the opposition, the chairman of the opposition
Speaker 10: is the one who's now recommending the government to bomb
Speaker 10: Hog Island, where the entire oil installations and gas installations
Speaker 10: of the Islamic Republic are located. This is is Lapede
Speaker 10: who is saying that a sworn political rival of Prime
Speaker 10: Minister NATANIAO. So this gives you an idea the extent
Speaker 10: of a unity in Israel in reference to the war.
Speaker 10: Having said that, I don't want to sugarcoat this. This
Speaker 10: is a difficult war for Israeli Habalas joined the war.
Speaker 10: People are running for the shelters sometimes every few minutes,
Speaker 10: and they are traumatized because of three years of war
Speaker 10: that began with the mass massacre on our southern border
Speaker 10: on October seven.
Speaker 1: So they want this over.
Speaker 10: And as we can see on the screen and we
Speaker 10: just saw, there are also damages and this is significant.
Speaker 10: And because of that, people are saying We're willing to
Speaker 10: suffer now if this means that Iran will be taking
Speaker 10: off as a thread for the next two decades. But
Speaker 10: we definitely want this to end with something that is meaningful.
Speaker 10: Whether or not this could be achieved, the jury is
Speaker 10: still out about that now.
Speaker 1: I lost on it. For Israelis you meet doctor orn
Speaker 1: and Abe and you all have different, very different nuanced
Speaker 1: takes on questions. But this one I want to ask
Speaker 1: all of you. Hezbolla appears to be offering a shepherd piece.
Speaker 1: They're getting that crap kicked out of it, and they
Speaker 1: may be breaking with Lebanon, and they may be breaking
Speaker 1: with Iran. Would you accept the shepherd piece? Is a
Speaker 1: good idea with Hesbala right.
Speaker 10: Now, with hisbel itself, of course not, But with the
Speaker 10: state of Flebanon, that could be a very good idea
Speaker 10: if the state of Flebon can actually disarm Hballah. The
Speaker 10: idea in Lebanon, the consensus in Lebanon, the UN Security
Speaker 10: Counsel of the Decisions is that after the idea we
Speaker 10: drew from Lebanon in the year two thousand, there is
Speaker 10: no reason for his Bala to exist as an armed militia.
Speaker 1: It's not only an armed militia.
Speaker 10: It's the most heavily funded and founded military group terror
Speaker 10: group in the entire world. And what the Lebanese are
Speaker 10: now saying that I think you're referring to is that
Speaker 10: let's let's negotiate directly with this world first time in history.
Speaker 10: Let's even maybe sort of have an agreement there. I
Speaker 10: think that's an excellent idea if we can get that done.
Speaker 1: Nadada, I always go to talk to you, continue to play,
Speaker 1: doing more and more and more insider over at ram
Speaker 1: scene or his place. Call me back, get the inside
Speaker 1: edition so you don't mention a minute of nadav or
Speaker 1: a may thank you, Nadad. I'll be right back to
Speaker 1: America VIII. Arter back in America. I'm yet solely as Vito,
Speaker 1: as calmness of the world. She writes for the Washington Post,
Speaker 1: for the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, for the New York Post,
Speaker 1: for the Washington Examiners, probably writes Frather things I don't
Speaker 1: know about, Selena. How are you?
Speaker 7: Oh, just live in the dream.
Speaker 11: The sun is out, which is very rare, so I'm
Speaker 11: enjoying it.
Speaker 1: It's Pittsburgh. You can't get your hopes done has the
Speaker 1: President called you recently? He was talking to Brian kill
Speaker 1: Me last night, right before the show, so I think
Speaker 1: he likes to call people right before their shows.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't have a show.
Speaker 11: I talked to him a week ago, but we've talked
Speaker 11: about East Palestine and the ten million dollars that he
Speaker 11: got for economic development in the downtown area and infrastructure,
Speaker 11: but not the war.
Speaker 1: No, not the war, all right, so just give me.
Speaker 1: You haven't been spun by the president then, yet? What
Speaker 1: do you think of the battle with Iran?
Speaker 11: Well, so I'm going to I have to base it
Speaker 11: on the interviews I've been doing with people, and you know,
Speaker 11: there's overwhelming support.
Speaker 7: You know, you and I have talked about this before.
Speaker 11: It's two different worlds you straddle when you are when
Speaker 11: you are a reporter. There's the one that you live
Speaker 11: in and you report from, in particular if you're coming
Speaker 11: for places like I do right Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin.
Speaker 11: And then there's no online world, which is very very
Speaker 11: different and people have very very different motivations outside of
Speaker 11: their honest feelings about something to how they form their opinion.
Speaker 11: That's a long way of me saying people are very
Speaker 11: supportive of this.
Speaker 1: They understood. Let me play you a little clip of
Speaker 1: Harry Anton on CNN and get your reaction to it.
Speaker 1: Cut number two.
Speaker 12: Overall public and those who are either currently or have
Speaker 12: served in the military. Take a look at this Fox
Speaker 12: newspap that came out during the past week net approval
Speaker 12: rating of the current US military action against Ron. Look
Speaker 12: at that overall Fox News shows a dead even split,
Speaker 12: But look at those who served in the military significantly
Speaker 12: higher support for the US military action currently going on
Speaker 12: in Iran at plus twenty points.
Speaker 1: Selena, veterans know who we're fighting. My son, my son
Speaker 1: in law, my nephew, they've all been attacked by Iran
Speaker 1: when they were in uniform. Well, there's no doubt among
Speaker 1: the veterans. I mean there might be a few, there
Speaker 1: are all the few, but it's over They know the
Speaker 1: enemy and I think that makes a huge difference here.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's really it's really interesting. And you know, even
Speaker 11: Paul Skins, the cy Young Award, a winning pitcher.
Speaker 7: For the Pirates, right. I don't know if you've seen him.
Speaker 7: He's absolutely amazing.
Speaker 3: I have a really great piece with him this today.
Speaker 11: But his support for the military and for the country
Speaker 11: as he's getting ready to pitch tonight in the World
Speaker 11: Baseball Series. I think just exemplifies how military men and
Speaker 11: women feel about Iran, because no other country has killed
Speaker 11: more in this in this century of measure than Iran.
Speaker 1: Well said, I was a little bit surprised because I
Speaker 1: wasn't aware that Pittsburgh had a professional ball club anymore.
Speaker 1: Tell me soddenly, I'm sorry. I know you love your
Speaker 1: party is amazing.
Speaker 11: He's absolutely amazing.
Speaker 3: And his love of country.
Speaker 7: You know, people don't know he's served. He was in
Speaker 7: the Air Force Academy.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Where tell us his name and
Speaker 1: he's a National League player. I don't follow him because
Speaker 1: he doesn't get to the postseason, because he's with the Pirates.
Speaker 7: All Skins.
Speaker 11: He's pitching tonight. Take a look at my story at
Speaker 11: Zito Selena, just about his level of country, love of military,
Speaker 11: how proud he is to be playing tonight.
Speaker 7: He's pitching tonight.
Speaker 11: The United States has just been crushing it in this series,
Speaker 11: and if people haven't been watching it, I highly recommend
Speaker 11: that you do. It is such an expression of patriotism
Speaker 11: and passion for our country among these players it's really amazing.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you've got the one Democrat in Pennsylvania supports
Speaker 1: the troops and the war. John Fetterman, what happened to
Speaker 1: the Democrats that we grew up with? Selena As I'm
Speaker 1: with Brian kill me last night. I just said, this
Speaker 1: is not Fdr Truman, Kennedy, LBJ, not even Bill Clinton.
Speaker 1: They're all against this combat and they won't fund it.
Speaker 11: You know who stuns me the most is Mark Warner.
Speaker 11: He really has done a complete change, right. He's really
Speaker 11: become sort of strident. If Republican or Trump, it's not
Speaker 11: just Trump anymore. If a Republican is attached to it,
Speaker 11: he is stridently against it. He could be against school
Speaker 11: crossing crossing guards. If Donald Trump said let's all support
Speaker 11: school crossing guards and give them, give them a draise,
Speaker 11: he'd be against it.
Speaker 1: It's the Democratic Party disease. Mark Warner is a very
Speaker 1: smart man. I've met him a few times, very smart guy.
Speaker 1: But the Virginia Democratic Party has gone way left, and
Speaker 1: so you have to worry about that if you're an
Speaker 1: incumbent center I don't know if they'll ever vote for
Speaker 1: a Democratic for supplemental for the war. I hope you
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Speaker 1: for everything that you write. Welcome back to America. I'm
Speaker 1: Hewett Leland vittert rejoins us. He was last on when
Speaker 1: his wonderful book Born Lucky came out. Continues to sell
Speaker 1: like hotcake or to touch an extraordinary look into the
Speaker 1: lifetime in childhood, especially of children who are born somewhere
Speaker 1: on the spectrum. Leland is a though on today because
Speaker 1: he's a war correspondence, war course bonding. He's in the
Speaker 1: studio now with Unbalance every night over at NewsNation. But
Speaker 1: I want to talk to him about covering this war. Leland,
Speaker 1: how are you well?
Speaker 8: Once a war coorse find is always a war corse
Speaker 8: bonder hughes. So sometimes, as you know, the arrows and
Speaker 8: knives of a Washington news are worse than that. Actually
Speaker 8: in war I.
Speaker 1: Don't know that because I've never had to work in
Speaker 1: a newsroom in DC. The newsroom I had was PBS
Speaker 1: INLA and that was pretty bad. But that's okay, Leland.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you Number one, there's so much
Speaker 1: available on the web that it is difficult to distinguish
Speaker 1: between AI generated disinformation and hard facts. What filters are
Speaker 1: you putting up to make sure you only learn what's true?
Speaker 8: Well, trying my very best to cross reference everything I
Speaker 8: hear number one. Number two, cross referencing not only sort
Speaker 8: of what you're hearing in seeing online, but with real
Speaker 8: people who are either in the region or involved in
Speaker 8: the government in other places where they are in a
Speaker 8: position to independently verify so much of this. But you're
Speaker 8: right that AI has created a fog of war, and
Speaker 8: you could say call it a fog of journalism, which
Speaker 8: is far greater than anything we ever had to deal
Speaker 8: with before.
Speaker 1: I agree with that. Now, what I'm trying to do
Speaker 1: is find facts. When someone like the IDF puts out
Speaker 1: the number of attacks that decreased by ninety percent, We've
Speaker 1: destroyed eighty percent of their launchers, but those percent of
Speaker 1: drones are getting through, or the UAE post their daily
Speaker 1: Defense Ministry stats. I rely on that, And when we
Speaker 1: sink ships in the Iranian Navy, I rely on that.
Speaker 1: And we always tell people our casualties, but how do
Speaker 1: we What else do you look for other than the IDF,
Speaker 1: the scentcom feed, the UAE feed. What else are you
Speaker 1: relying on?
Speaker 8: Relying a lot on trying to see what's happening on
Speaker 8: the ground. And I think the one thing to be
Speaker 8: watching for right now is whether or not there are
Speaker 8: protests on the ground in Iran.
Speaker 3: We have not seen a lot of video of that.
Speaker 3: That's something I'm watching for.
Speaker 8: I'm watching the price of oil because I think that
Speaker 8: is sort of signifying howc usful the Iranians are and causing.
Speaker 3: The one pain point they have left.
Speaker 8: I'm watching for what the Iranian drones have been able
Speaker 8: to destroy in terms of US military hardware, not only
Speaker 8: the casualties, but the very high end US military hardware.
Speaker 8: I'm also watching for what's not being said. Sometimes and
Speaker 8: often what's not being said, which in this case is
Speaker 8: a specific goal by the administration of what they view
Speaker 8: as the end of this war may be the most
Speaker 8: important things leland.
Speaker 1: Which war tell of the audience who may not be
Speaker 1: familiar with how many years you spent war zone, where
Speaker 1: you went, when you went, what you saw.
Speaker 3: Four years in the Middle East.
Speaker 8: So a couple of Gaza Wars, the Libyan Revolution, the
Speaker 8: Egyptian Revolution, covered the Syrian Revolution, some time in the Gulf,
Speaker 8: a little bit of the uprising in Turkey, and then
Speaker 8: spent the last month my overseas tour in Ukraine's the
Speaker 8: first Russian invasion in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: So that's the perfect setup. In the ten years that
Speaker 1: have elapsed since the twelve years since you were in Ukraine,
Speaker 1: war has changed. I've been in this game for since
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine in broadcast, and I've been studying Iran
Speaker 1: since nineteen seventy eight with Richard Nixon. It's completely different.
Speaker 1: The drones is completely different. Do you think the American
Speaker 1: consuming audience understands how different war has become?
Speaker 8: Well, they may not, but they will once they watch
Speaker 8: on Balance at nine pm tonight on News Nation, or
Speaker 8: they listen to this interview on the Uhwite Show, because
Speaker 8: that's what we're talking about tonight.
Speaker 10: It is.
Speaker 8: Beyond incompetence from the US military that they did not
Speaker 8: plan better for the low end military threat.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 8: The US is just extraordinary at the high end of
Speaker 8: being able to intercept ballistic missiles and shoot down.
Speaker 3: Incoming fighter jets, in the light.
Speaker 8: What they're not good at, and what the past week
Speaker 8: has proved that they have a very hard time doing
Speaker 8: is intercepting massive amounts of Iranian drones coming in in swarms.
Speaker 8: And what is stunning to meet, Hugh, and I think
Speaker 8: what you're getting at is that this was so predictable
Speaker 8: because it's exactly what the Russians have been doing to
Speaker 8: the Ukrainians with Iranian drones, and the US military seem
Speaker 8: just not to plant that.
Speaker 3: You're showing videos of Tomahawk.
Speaker 8: Missiles that cost two and three million dollars apiece, and
Speaker 8: the interceptors that go up can be four or five
Speaker 8: million dollars apiece, and we're spending those using those trying
Speaker 8: to shoot down twenty thousand dollars drones.
Speaker 3: It is not a good investment here.
Speaker 1: There are two things that I haven't seen, Leland, maybe
Speaker 1: you have. I saw a brief bit of open intel
Speaker 1: that the growler, which dispatches from the carriers. Although there
Speaker 1: is an expeditionary squadron of growlers that can fly from
Speaker 1: Air Force bases, but they're on carre they can bring
Speaker 1: down drones in dramatic number. I don't know how many
Speaker 1: growlers we have and how often they're deployed. The second
Speaker 1: thing is that our pights, which are sub hundreds. The
Speaker 1: Iranian Navy had five subs at the beginning, five real
Speaker 1: big subs. One has been sunk, but they had a
Speaker 1: lot of mini subs. Have you sent any open source
Speaker 1: stuff on that.
Speaker 8: I have not, But I think what you're seeing in
Speaker 8: terms of a direction, and we'll have a little bit
Speaker 8: more on this tonight, is the fact that the US
Speaker 8: Navy is not transiting the sort of straight of war
Speaker 8: moves and providing tanker escorts that we know of right
Speaker 8: now tell you. I think that Central Command does not
Speaker 8: yet confidently understand what the Iranian capabilities are, what's survived
Speaker 8: from an Iranian capability standpoint in the straight of war
Speaker 8: moves in the very close in coastal waterways around Iraq,
Speaker 8: And that to me is once we start seeing that,
Speaker 8: that will tell us that the United States Central Command
Speaker 8: is much more confident about that.
Speaker 3: It's no surprise right that President Trump.
Speaker 8: In his opening statement about the Iranian attack, Ranian war, whatever.
Speaker 3: You want to call it.
Speaker 8: Instead, we've gone after Iran's navy, and that's because everyone
Speaker 8: knew that the straight of hor.
Speaker 3: Moves was the checkpoint.
Speaker 8: This was Iran's blackmail, and I think it speaks volumes
Speaker 8: to why this war has been necessary, that the Iranians
Speaker 8: have handled themselves and done what they have done to
Speaker 8: try to economically blackmail the world.
Speaker 1: Last question, Leland I turned down on Mark Montgomery. Of course,
Speaker 1: Senator Cotton's on a little bit later. People who have
Speaker 1: access to open source and closed source, and they're careful,
Speaker 1: who's your goad to guy? You haven't got Jack King,
Speaker 1: mister war on Fox. I don't either. Who's your go
Speaker 1: to people for military expertise?
Speaker 8: There a couple of people who will both be on tonight.
Speaker 8: One is Kirk Lippold, who was the commander of the
Speaker 8: USS Cole but who understands these waters. He's been in
Speaker 8: the straight of hor Moves time and time again. I
Speaker 8: think he has something like forty crossings right now, so
Speaker 8: he understands those waters, and to your point, can not
Speaker 8: only look at the open source intel, but look at
Speaker 8: what's happening and then tell us why it's happening, to
Speaker 8: extrapolate out what the reality on the ground is.
Speaker 3: And then we've also found a great guest.
Speaker 8: I know he's available to come on your show is
Speaker 8: a guy named John Tikert who was an F twenty
Speaker 8: two pilot and a commander of the Edwards Air Force
Speaker 8: Base Test Squadron that did all of the Air Force
Speaker 8: testing in terms for aircraft air defenses, on and on
Speaker 8: and on and lastly, he finished up his career as
Speaker 8: a one star general as the US military acts Shay
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Speaker 1: I interrupt my war coverage to bring to you a
Speaker 1: very special guest, doctor Ross Green. He is one of
Speaker 1: the leading educators in America is the author of the
Speaker 1: brand new book The Kids who Aren't Okay. The Kids
Speaker 1: who Aren't Okay came out last week just as the
Speaker 1: war broke out, so I did not get the attention
Speaker 1: it deserved. But I want to make sure that the
Speaker 1: parents and teachers of America's fifty million K through twelve
Speaker 1: kids know about the kids who Aren't Okay. So doctor
Speaker 1: Ross Green agreed degree joined me today. Doctor Green, how
Speaker 1: are you and where are you?
Speaker 4: I'm in Freeport Maine, a territory you know well, and
Speaker 4: I'm probably a little colder than you.
Speaker 1: Are ll being still open, I'm sure, doctor Green. I
Speaker 1: want to ask you, would you tell people at the
Speaker 1: beginning of this your long intervention in American education, especially
Speaker 1: in the restrained industrial system, as a way of trying
Speaker 1: to set up why you wrote the kids who aren't okay?
Speaker 4: I wrote the kids who aren't okay because we are
Speaker 4: still manhandling a lot of kids who aren't okay. It's
Speaker 4: called the restraint industry. We keep teaching our educators what
Speaker 4: to do when it's already too late, and there are
Speaker 4: a lot of kids who aren't doing very well right now,
Speaker 4: and we have to open our eyes to that.
Speaker 1: In my grandkids school district, a child died from restraint
Speaker 1: in December, and of course they're facing an enormous lawsuit.
Speaker 1: How often does that happen in America?
Speaker 4: Restraint happens more often than we think. It's about seventy
Speaker 4: to one hundred thousand times a year, depending on whose
Speaker 4: statistics you believe. Death, which is the most extreme outcome,
Speaker 4: we average about two or three deaths per year, based
Speaker 4: on the most recent research that I'm aware of.
Speaker 1: All right now, doctor, you wrote this book, and I
Speaker 1: say it often because Franklin's taught me. Unless you say
Speaker 1: in the title of a book seven times times, people
Speaker 1: won't remember the kids who Aren't Okay. So I will
Speaker 1: say the kids who Aren't Okay at least seven times
Speaker 1: in every segment. I'm overwhelmed by it. When I got
Speaker 1: the page one seventy four, evidence based Treatment, I was
Speaker 1: sitting there thinking to myself, my God, how do we
Speaker 1: solve these problems? Do you run into that a lot?
Speaker 1: Because there are it's overwhelming.
Speaker 4: It's it's thick. I'll say that schools definitely implement a
Speaker 4: lot of programs that are not evidence based. The model
Speaker 4: contained in The Kids who Aren't Okay is evidence based.
Speaker 4: I spent a lot of my career doing research on
Speaker 4: the model. It works, but we do have to sort
Speaker 4: of plow through all of these structures that are in place,
Speaker 4: all of these programs that we already do. Once we
Speaker 4: can get comfortable enough to take a look at our
Speaker 4: practices and whether they're actually working, it's not that hard
Speaker 4: to start doing the right thing.
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about the right thing in a moment,
Speaker 1: but I think the summary quote that I want to
Speaker 1: take aways on page seventy five when you dip into
Speaker 1: your Shakespeare knowledge and quote the Bard saying better three
Speaker 1: hours too soon than a minute too late, And that
Speaker 1: is a summary of the whole book. Intervene early, figure
Speaker 1: out what's going on with a kid who acts up
Speaker 1: and has troubles facing the problems that they're dealing with.
Speaker 1: They can't solve problem better to intervene early. Is that
Speaker 1: a fair summary? Doctor?
Speaker 4: It is certainly my favorite point of the book, and
Speaker 4: that is that so much of what we're teaching educators
Speaker 4: to do is about crisis management. It's not that hard
Speaker 4: to start being crisis prevention oriented. We can be early
Speaker 4: instead of late. But there's a lot of training and
Speaker 4: a lot of structures in schools that point us toward
Speaker 4: being late, to the detriment of both both the kids
Speaker 4: who aren't okay and the people who are trying to
Speaker 4: help them out in schools.
Speaker 1: Now, I feel for teachers after reading this book, because
Speaker 1: there's a bell curve in every school system. They're going
Speaker 1: to have children who don't problem solve very well and
Speaker 1: who act out in different ways. And the illustrations you
Speaker 1: provide throughout the book are jarring. Really really jarring. I
Speaker 1: don't know how teachers do it. When did this to
Speaker 1: begin to be noticed by you as a recurring pattern
Speaker 1: of modern American education as well as the wrong solutions
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 4: Well, I started working with behaviorally challenging kids in graduate school,
Speaker 4: started working with them in schools as a natural progression.
Speaker 4: If you're working with kids with behavioral challenges, you're working
Speaker 4: with them in schools, not just with them in families.
Speaker 4: And that's when it became apparent to me that it
Speaker 4: was the same kids, ten or fifteen in every school,
Speaker 4: depending on the size of the school, who are accounting
Speaker 4: for seventy to eighty percent of the discipline referrals in
Speaker 4: that school and seventy to eighty percent of the punitive,
Speaker 4: exclusionary disciplinary practices that were being administered in that school.
Speaker 4: And I noticed that we just kept doing this stuff
Speaker 4: over and over again, even though it clearly wasn't working.
Speaker 4: And that is still true today. We have a lot
Speaker 4: of reliance on behavior modification. But and this is a
Speaker 4: key to the book. As you know, focusing on behavior
Speaker 4: is not where the action's at. I get why we're
Speaker 4: focused on behavior. It's the part that is most disruptive
Speaker 4: to the classroom most dangerous. But behind every concerning behavior
Speaker 4: is a problem that's causing it. Those problems can be
Speaker 4: identified proactively, they can be solved proactively. If we stay
Speaker 4: focused on behavior, we're going to be late every single time.
Speaker 1: Now, on page sixty one, you use that term. Ten
Speaker 1: to fifteen percent of children in school account for seventy
Speaker 1: to eighty percent of the discipline referrals. So that does
Speaker 1: it telegraphs to me that the AUSP ought to be
Speaker 1: developed very quickly for the ten to fifteen percent. That's
Speaker 1: the term of art that I want people to take
Speaker 1: away the AUSP. Would you tell people what it is?
Speaker 1: And as well, what the CPS is. Those are the
Speaker 1: two most common acronyms in the book, and so let's
Speaker 1: lay it out.
Speaker 4: For him ASUP is the assessment of skills and unsolved problems.
Speaker 4: It helps us move in thirty to forty five minutes
Speaker 4: from focusing on a kid's concerning behavior, which is just
Speaker 4: their frustration response. I use those terms interchangeably to the
Speaker 4: problems that are causing those behaviors that often have never
Speaker 4: even been identified, let alone solved. Every year, those problems,
Speaker 4: I call them unsolved problems, just get punted from one
Speaker 4: teacher the next. Year after year after a while, we
Speaker 4: have a student who has this massive pile of unsolved problems.
Speaker 4: We've been punishing them like there's no tomorrow. We've been
Speaker 4: giving them stickers and rewarding them in other ways. Their
Speaker 4: concerning behavior is continuing because the problems that are causing
Speaker 4: those behaviors are still unsolved. The Assessment of Skills and
Speaker 4: Unsolved problem, what I call ASIP, helps us fix that.
Speaker 4: I do not have a proprietary interest in it. It's
Speaker 4: free on the website of the nonprofit I've founded, Lives
Speaker 4: in the Balance. CPS stands for collaborative and proactive Solutions.
Speaker 4: Once you identify those problems proactively, you can solve them proactively.
Speaker 4: But not only proactively collaboratively.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Well, I was gonna say, lives Inthebalance dot org.
Speaker 1: I want people to make sure they know the website
Speaker 1: as well as the title of the book, Lives Inthebalance
Speaker 1: dot org. But go ahead proactively.
Speaker 4: Means proactively means don't wait till the heat in the
Speaker 4: moment to try to solve this highly predictable, unsolved problem.
Speaker 4: This is not the first time Timmy has had difficulty
Speaker 4: completing the double digit division problems on the worksheet in math,
Speaker 4: it's the ninety seventh time. Why are we stuck in
Speaker 4: the heat of the moment yet again dealing with Timmy's
Speaker 4: frustration response and sending Timmy to this cool disciplinarian so
Speaker 4: that someone can give consequences for Timmy's frustration response. We'd
Speaker 4: be saving a ton of time if we're identifying those
Speaker 4: problems proactively and solving the proactively. But the other keyword
Speaker 4: is collaboratively. Timmy has to be an integral, indispensable part
Speaker 4: of the problem solving process. Otherwise, US adults who tend
Speaker 4: to divine what's getting in Timmy's way and tend to
Speaker 4: divine solutions will keep doing that and somebody very important
Speaker 4: is then going to be out of the loop. Timmy.
Speaker 1: Well, I like that you just used the word punt,
Speaker 1: doctor Green, because in my notes you never use it.
Speaker 1: In the book, you see, it's method C, method A
Speaker 1: for dealing with unsolved problems A B and C. Method
Speaker 1: C is to punt. By the way, it's okay to
Speaker 1: punt on some problems, you just can't punt on them all.
Speaker 1: Is that a fair summary as well?
Speaker 4: You're punting temporarily. I called it putting the problem on hold.
Speaker 4: When I say punting, I mean kicking the can down
Speaker 4: the road. But these kids, these kids who have a
Speaker 4: lot of unsolved problems, you're not going to be able
Speaker 4: to solve them all at once once they're identified. So
Speaker 4: you're going to have to put some of them on
Speaker 4: hold for a while until you can get to them,
Speaker 4: or until you feel like the kid is actually able
Speaker 4: to meet the expectation. We've been causing a lot of
Speaker 4: concerning behavior in our schools by putting expectations on kids
Speaker 4: we already know they can't meet. Who should you ask
Speaker 4: about that? They're teachers.
Speaker 1: I'll be right back with doctor Ross Green, author of
Speaker 1: the brand new book The Kids who Aren't Okay. And
Speaker 1: if you're the parent, teacher, and grandparent, friend of one
Speaker 1: of the kids who Aren't Okay, that's ten to fifteen percent.
Speaker 1: You want to get this book and you want to
Speaker 1: go and find Lives in the Balance dot org. Stay ten.
Speaker 1: Walking back in America, I'm Hugh Herett with doctor Ross Green,
Speaker 1: and we're talking about the ten to fifteen percent of
Speaker 1: America is fifty million, roughly K through twelve students who
Speaker 1: have unsolved problems and therefore become discipline issues and sometimes
Speaker 1: lead to crisis in the classroom. Everybody loses. It doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be that way, but the complex, this military
Speaker 1: industry complex of education, has been spinning out the same
Speaker 1: solution for decades and it's not working, Doctor Green over
Speaker 1: on page fifty five. Yeah, the closer look, where does
Speaker 1: the National Education Association stand on restraint and seclusion? Which
Speaker 1: is the typical approach.
Speaker 14: And there follows four of the densest pages of gobbledegook
Speaker 14: because the NEA doesn't really want to tell people what
Speaker 14: to do. I'm very glad you approached it that way
Speaker 14: because I wanted to see they really just don't want
Speaker 14: to say anything, do they.
Speaker 4: I think that it's been hard for them to take
Speaker 4: a strong stand, and that might be in fact, I
Speaker 4: suspect this is the case because they are hearing from
Speaker 4: their constituents that they still need these obsolete practices. Restraining
Speaker 4: meaning pinning a kid to the ground, usually by three
Speaker 4: to four adults. Seclusion meaning throwing the kid into a
Speaker 4: locked or blocked closet sized seclusion room. There's a lot
Speaker 4: of educators who still believe that those practices are necessary
Speaker 4: and point to how difficult some of their students are
Speaker 4: as evidence of that. The students are still difficult because
Speaker 4: of the other obsolete practices that we continue to apply
Speaker 4: to them. If they don't do better, you're going to
Speaker 4: get them into a frustration response. You are going to
Speaker 4: do what seems like a necessary practice, pin into the ground,
Speaker 4: throw them into a closet sized room. When educators implement
Speaker 4: the CPS model, those practices pretty much disappear because they're
Speaker 4: not necessary anymore.
Speaker 1: Now, doctor Green, I want to stress this. When people
Speaker 1: do the AUSP, the assessment as student as you know,
Speaker 1: I'm terrible as up. Yeah, assessment AUSP of skills and
Speaker 1: problem assessment of unsolved problems. When they do the AUSP,
Speaker 1: they are going to get a long list, and you
Speaker 1: encourage them. Don't hesitate to split the problem into its
Speaker 1: composite parts. That by the way, an engineering solution. Don't
Speaker 1: try and solve everything in one long assessment of the
Speaker 1: but take the time to list the component parts. That's
Speaker 1: hard for people because when they write something down, they
Speaker 1: know they're going to have to confront it. Can you
Speaker 1: get that message through? Break it down? Break it It's
Speaker 1: like diagramming a sentence diagram the problems.
Speaker 4: So just as a concrete example, and maybe this goes
Speaker 4: back to engineering, I'm not sure. We're not going to
Speaker 4: write down We're not going to try to talk with
Speaker 4: the kid about the unsolved problem of difficulty doing math.
Speaker 4: It's too broad, right, And in this model, there's three steps.
Speaker 4: The first step is that we're gathering information from the kid,
Speaker 4: who's our number one source of information on what's making
Speaker 4: it hard for them to meet a particular expectation. People
Speaker 4: are often skeptical about that part. They often ask me,
Speaker 4: what makes you think the kid knows? And my answer
Speaker 4: is thirty five years of asking. But if we ask
Speaker 4: the kid what's making it hard for you to do
Speaker 4: the math, you're going to get out on no, because
Speaker 4: it's too broad. We've got to get more specific. We've
Speaker 4: got to get more micro. What's making it hard for
Speaker 4: you to complete the double digit division problems on the
Speaker 4: worksheet in math. I'm always telling caregivers be prepared for
Speaker 4: surprises when you ask, because you are likely to learn
Speaker 4: that what you thought was getting in the kid's way
Speaker 4: is not what's getting in the kid's way. This is
Speaker 4: how we partner with kids on solving problems you.
Speaker 1: Also recommend very early in the school year, if not
Speaker 1: before it begins triage, And by that you do not
Speaker 1: mean tracking or tearing, You do not mean segregation. What
Speaker 1: do you mean by triage.
Speaker 4: Knowing what's walking in the door before it walks in
Speaker 4: the door. We should have much better communication from one
Speaker 4: year to the next. Every educator would agree with that.
Speaker 4: But if all we're communicating about from one year to
Speaker 4: the next is the kid's frustration response their behavior, then
Speaker 4: next year's teacher has absolutely no idea what expectations this
Speaker 4: kid is having difficulty needing, how some of those problems
Speaker 4: got solved the year before. They are pretty much going
Speaker 4: in with blinders on. That's not continuity of care. That's
Speaker 4: not good care. And schools are providing care for a
Speaker 4: lot of our kids who aren't doing very well. The
Speaker 4: care that schools provide could be better than it is
Speaker 4: if we could just get out of our own way.
Speaker 4: You mentioned tears. Tears refers to this organizational method called
Speaker 4: multi tiered systems of support, which many people love, but
Speaker 4: I find I'm neutral. I find that we end up
Speaker 4: talking more about tears, which is what level of support
Speaker 4: this is going kid is going to need? Than we
Speaker 4: do about kids, and that's past Awkwards.
Speaker 1: I compliment your use of the need to judge children,
Speaker 1: assess children based on their level of acuity, because that's
Speaker 1: a very accordion term. You're trying throughout this book to
Speaker 1: dispense with the traditional stuff. And by the way, doctor
Speaker 1: Green does not dismiss the problems of cell phones. He
Speaker 1: doesn't dismiss the problem of porn, he doesn't dismiss bullying,
Speaker 1: he doesn't dismiss anything. He just puts them all into
Speaker 1: the stew that is causing these unsolved problems. And the
Speaker 1: unsolved problems he divides into lucky ones. Okay, that's a
Speaker 1: funny word to term, but crying, with drawing, sulking, whining,
Speaker 1: things that elicit sympathy an unlucky one, screaming, hitting, spitting,
Speaker 1: destroying that get punitive things going, and it's neither lucky
Speaker 1: nor unlike. You're just trying not to exclude any unsolved problem.
Speaker 1: Am I right about that?
Speaker 4: That is correct every kid, And this is why this
Speaker 4: model is good even for the kids who aren't exhibiting
Speaker 4: concerning behavior, because as you noticed, I'm sure my definition
Speaker 4: of good teaching is meeting every kid where they're at.
Speaker 4: That's for kids whose frustration responses are more mild. That's
Speaker 4: for kids whose frustration responses are bigger a frustration. No
Speaker 4: matter what the frustration response, it's still communicating the exact
Speaker 4: same thing. There's an expectation this student is having difficulty
Speaker 4: reliably meeting. Once we get to the level of what
Speaker 4: are the expectations a student is having difficulty meeting, they
Speaker 4: can be identified proactively, they can be solved proactively. We
Speaker 4: can get out of the heat of the moment where
Speaker 4: I promise you nothing productive is going on. Though. That's
Speaker 4: the biggest chane we need to make moving from our
Speaker 4: focus on behavior where we've been forever, to our focus
Speaker 4: on the problems that are causing them. That is massive now.
Speaker 1: Doctor Green. As I was reading The Kids Who Aren't Okay,
Speaker 1: it occurred to me you are, in fact teaching, especially
Speaker 1: the teachers. When I got about halfway through the book,
Speaker 1: page ninety five, the start of chapter six, putting the
Speaker 1: horse back in front of the cart, you review everything
Speaker 1: on page ninety five and the top of page ninety
Speaker 1: six that you've written thus far, because and actually it
Speaker 1: goes all the way to page ninety six. Repetition is
Speaker 1: the essence of learning, right, So you're teaching the teachers
Speaker 1: to do this again and again. Is it taking hold?
Speaker 4: You know, in the schools that are aware of this model,
Speaker 4: it is taking hold in a big way. Lives in
Speaker 4: the Balance has never been busier because, quite frankly, there's
Speaker 4: a lot of leaders in education who know that what
Speaker 4: we're doing right now isn't working very well, especially for
Speaker 4: kids who are sluggling the most.
Speaker 1: I'm coming back for one more segment with doctor Green.
Speaker 1: The book is The Kids who Aren't Okay. It's at Amazon,
Speaker 1: It's at Barnes and Noble, It's at Lives in the
Speaker 1: Balance as well. But all you want to do is
Speaker 1: go to my at page. You'll find a link here.
Speaker 1: But Kids who Aren't Okay Doctor Green will be right back.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to America. I'm Hugh Hewittt. Now Doctor Green
Speaker 1: and I have met a few times, and my journeying
Speaker 1: through Maine, I mentioned Lban at the top. Doctor Green
Speaker 1: is very well known for his book Lost at School,
Speaker 1: very well known for The Explosive Child, very well known
Speaker 1: for everything in the world of education. If a superintendent
Speaker 1: or a classroom teacher who is or the head of
Speaker 1: the union or a group of concerned parents wanted to
Speaker 1: bring this to the attention of their district and get
Speaker 1: it to actually be absorbed. How do you recommend they
Speaker 1: go about that? Doctor Green, Go to.
Speaker 4: The Lives and the Balance website Lives lavees in the
Speaker 4: Balance dot o RG tell us what you need through
Speaker 4: the contact form. We are ready to work together with
Speaker 4: any school system, any individual who's looking to change things
Speaker 4: for the better, especially the for the kids who are
Speaker 4: struggling the most.
Speaker 1: Now, for the school districts that decide to go so.
Speaker 1: And by the way, everyone I know that President Trump
Speaker 1: is starting is a press conference. I'm sure Larry Elder
Speaker 1: will have all of it, but it takes a while
Speaker 1: for him to warm up. For the school districts that
Speaker 1: want to embrace this, I would guess this summer they
Speaker 1: could have everybody read it and get the teachers to
Speaker 1: commit to doing the work early, the ausps early so
Speaker 1: that they did not enter the school. Is that the
Speaker 1: best way to sort of roll out system wide a
Speaker 1: change from restraint and seclusion.
Speaker 4: A book study is a very good place to start.
Speaker 4: I don't want people waiting till summer. That's a that's
Speaker 4: another three months of kids and educators suffering through current practices.
Speaker 4: Start right away. You can get this book read in
Speaker 4: one to two weeks. Oh easy, start playing, easy easily exactly, Yeah,
Speaker 4: you could start playing. This is an easy read. I
Speaker 4: like to think I write that way. I also like
Speaker 4: to think it's a very practical book. Despite some of
Speaker 4: the idealism in the book, this is not that hard
Speaker 4: of a change to make. With commitment, with intentionality, this
Speaker 4: can be done. If you want to wait till summer,
Speaker 4: that's great. I just don't want to see people suffer
Speaker 4: any longer than they have to now.
Speaker 1: If you get to the again, let's say ten to
Speaker 1: twenty percent, I'll even give it. Let's say twenty percent
Speaker 1: have unsolved problem. If you can reduce the number of
Speaker 1: unsolved problems in half of those children to a manageable level,
Speaker 1: the productivity of the entire classroom will increase, probably by
Speaker 1: fifty percent. Really, I can't imagine some of these things
Speaker 1: in the Catholic schools of my youth. It didn't happen,
Speaker 1: probably because they were restraint models that people didn't even
Speaker 1: know about. But nowadays I hear about it a lot,
Speaker 1: and we don't want that to happen. What a resource suck.
Speaker 4: This is the fascinating part. One of the biggest impediments
Speaker 4: when people first hear about this model is they feel
Speaker 4: that they don't have time to do it. They are
Speaker 4: spending mammoth amounts of time on behavior. They would be
Speaker 4: spending a fraction of the time solving the problems that
Speaker 4: are causing that behavior. Yes, intentionality and commitment do take time,
Speaker 4: but the schools that implement this model are saving a
Speaker 4: boatload of time because they are not running around like
Speaker 4: chickens with their heads cut off anymore, dealing with behavior.
Speaker 1: Crisis from chrisis. Again. The book is The Kids who
Speaker 1: Aren't Okay, The Kids who Aren't Okay. Doctor Green is
Speaker 1: gran and you can find it Ross Green on Amazon.
Speaker 1: So Doctor Rayne's Big Picture time. Are you an optimist
Speaker 1: about American education getting this fixed? I am.
Speaker 4: I think there are some outstanding educators out there. I
Speaker 4: think the very vast majority of educators want the best
Speaker 4: for their kids and love seeing them thrive. Sometimes it
Speaker 4: is their training getting in the way, Sometimes it is
Speaker 4: the system getting in the way. These things can be changed,
Speaker 4: and by golly, I'm will get as much of that
Speaker 4: change done in my lifetime as I possibly can, right
Speaker 4: here from Freeport, Maine.
Speaker 1: Do you know why I'm an optimist. It's because I
Speaker 1: don't know if they're in Freeport, Maine or Portland. But
Speaker 1: there are trial lawyers all over the United States who
Speaker 1: are going to figure out that it is not best
Speaker 1: practices to restrain a child. Of course that will happen
Speaker 1: in wrongful death case, but in any case, they're going
Speaker 1: to start suing school districts if they're not you using
Speaker 1: your approach. That's that's why I'm an opt The trial
Speaker 1: lawyers know there's a duty of to these children, the
Speaker 1: ten to twenty percent, and if the duty is being
Speaker 1: breached with damage resulting, it's a mass tort. Have anyone
Speaker 1: told you that before?
Speaker 4: Oh they are. It's already happening. And I am an
Speaker 4: occasional participant in those lawsuits. I don't take any money
Speaker 4: for it because I don't want to feel like I'm
Speaker 4: a hired gun. I just want to make sure that
Speaker 4: we're treating kids the right way, making sure kids and
Speaker 4: educators aren't getting hurt, and make sure that schools that
Speaker 4: are still using these obsolete practices are held to account.
Speaker 1: I hope we are helping them do that once again.
Speaker 1: The book is The Kids who Aren't Okay. It just
Speaker 1: came out last week, just when the war got started,
Speaker 1: so you may not have seen the regular book chore,
Speaker 1: you know, the CBS Morning News or anything like that,
Speaker 1: but you should. The Kids who Aren't Okay needs to
Speaker 1: be in every teacher, guest, in every superintendent's best and
Speaker 1: every parent with a child who is being assessed with
Speaker 1: a difficult child. Go and get the Kids who Aren't
Speaker 1: Okay by doctor Ross Green, doctor Ring. Good to talk
Speaker 1: to you. Thank you America, be right back, say