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Speaker 1: by United States Senator Tom Cotton. He is a Republican

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Speaker 1: from Arkansas. I when it's primary easily last week. He

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Speaker 1: is also the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee and

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Speaker 1: chair of the House Republican Conference. Senator, thank you for

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Speaker 1: joining us. Before you were a senator, you were a congressman.

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Speaker 1: Before you were a congressman, you were a soldier. He

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Speaker 1: is fought in iraqiught in Afghanistan, and you served with

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Speaker 1: the Old Guard at Arlington. So the seven US Army

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Speaker 1: soldiers who've been killed in this combat have I'm sure

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Speaker 1: near and dear to you. What do you assess the

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Speaker 1: war as? How is it going? Given the casualties we've

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Speaker 1: had and expect.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Hugh and and I join all our kansons and

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Speaker 2: grieving for those seven heroes who were killed and wishing

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Speaker 2: our best condolences and sending prayers to their families.

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Speaker 3: But they have not died in vain.

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Speaker 4: This is an.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely vital and necessary war against a revolutionary terror supporting

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Speaker 2: country that's been killing Americans for forty seven years, to

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Speaker 2: include maiming and killing thousands of other soldiers who served

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Speaker 2: in Afghanistan back in the same time.

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Speaker 5: I did so.

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Speaker 2: We always grieved the loss of our heroes on the battlefield,

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Speaker 2: but this war was vitally necessary, and so far our

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Speaker 2: brave and skillful troops have been met with smashing success.

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Speaker 2: You saw the briefing that Admiral Cooper dave last week

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Speaker 2: that gave you the best information you can know about

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Speaker 2: the successes so far, which is Iranian raids of fire

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Speaker 2: have collapsed from the first days of the conflict. That

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Speaker 2: means we've been extraordinarily successful in destroying their missiles, their drones,

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Speaker 2: and their launchers, which was one of the very top

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Speaker 2: objectives in this campaign. Obviously, he continues will continue to

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Speaker 2: target those forces, their navy, their communications, the regime thugs

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Speaker 2: like the Seas militias, the Cuds force, the Revolutionary Guard

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Speaker 2: core that spread and foments revolutionary violence and terror and

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Speaker 2: oppress their own people. There's still more work to be done,

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Speaker 2: But a week and a half in, I don't think

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Speaker 2: it could be going better for our brave and skillful troops.

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Speaker 1: Sarah cottin ten days in. We also now have a

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Speaker 1: new Supreme leader. How many two point zero or at

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Speaker 1: least half of how many two point zero is said

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Speaker 1: That is a break with Homini, the founder of the

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Speaker 1: regime's theology. The fanatics said we should not have hereditary

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Speaker 1: succession for Supreme leader. I think that causes stresses inside

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you hear, You're right about that. There's always been

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Speaker 2: always in the official position that the Supreme leader role

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Speaker 2: should not be hereditariat be selected by the so called

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Speaker 2: assembly of experts, who are having tough time assembling right

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Speaker 2: now in peace and quiet thanks to the United States

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Speaker 2: and Israel. But I can't help but imagine it does

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Speaker 2: cause some internal dissension and rivalry within the ranks of

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Speaker 2: the senior leaders of Iran who oppose out on ideological

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Speaker 2: right now, I don't care how radical and fanatical. And

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Speaker 2: I tell a lie I was, I'm not sure i'd

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Speaker 2: want that job title. Well, the US and Iran is

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Speaker 2: still owning the skies above Iran.

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Speaker 1: Another the Admiral gave and update on the sinkings last

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Speaker 1: week that is now out of date because another one

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Speaker 1: we know anything about their underwater navy? That had five

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Speaker 1: But they had a lot of submersibles and things like that.

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Speaker 1: I know we have pH flying out there. What do

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Speaker 1: you think about that? What can you tell us about that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they do have sizeable naval forces. Now they're what

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Speaker 2: you and I and most Americans might call more of

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Speaker 2: not as urgent objective because they can't project They usually

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Speaker 2: in the Middle East. That's why the missiles and the

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Speaker 2: drones and the launchers were the first objective, because we

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Speaker 1: All right now, Sarah, I want to turn to funding

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Speaker 1: the combat. It's been expensive, It's going to continue to

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Speaker 1: be expensive. We had a big plus up in the

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Speaker 1: by Brian Kilmead last night, what about its elemental I

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Speaker 1: don't think it gets sixty votes, given that the Democrats

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Speaker 1: are turning into part of the appeasement, could a second

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Speaker 1: reconciliation that focused narrowly on the Department of War actually

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Speaker 2: With you, I wouldn't necessarily rule out a supplemental bill,

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Speaker 2: although you're right the Democrats amazingly at a time when

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Speaker 2: no one else in the world is supporting a rime,

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Speaker 2: not even their former quasi allies like guitar or Oman

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Speaker 2: or Turkey. The one group left it supporting a rime

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Speaker 2: in this conflict and rooting for their success. SMS to

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Speaker 2: be the Democratic Party. But there's no question that after

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Speaker 2: ahead of their timetables. There's going to be need to

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Speaker 2: be some kind of additional defense spending, especially to replace

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Speaker 2: the very expensive, very high end long range stand on

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Speaker 2: munitions that we used in the first twenty four to

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Speaker 2: prison missiles, Tomahawk missiles and such things. We need that

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Speaker 2: not just because of this conflict, but we've always needed

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you about Cuba center, since it's been

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Speaker 1: a light with fires and revolt in the last few days,

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Speaker 1: what do you think is our plan for our island's neighbor.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, you're breaking up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: What do you think is the plan for Cuba, which

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Speaker 1: has had revolution in the streets in the last few nights.

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Speaker 2: What did Doesident Trump say about it last week? Voluntary

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Speaker 2: transfer or along those lines easal handover look, Cuba has

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Speaker 2: For around thirty years, they had supportive Soviet Russia. Soviet

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Speaker 2: Russia provided them financial ACoM support, They provided the shock

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Speaker 2: troops for communist insurgencies in Latin America and Africa. They

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Speaker 2: were on the ropes in the nineteen nineties up to

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Speaker 2: the collapse of the Soviet Union. But then Hugo shaves

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Speaker 2: Venezuela has been propping up the cast Grow regime. In return,

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Speaker 2: they provided security to the Chavistas in Venezuela, although that

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Speaker 2: security proved not to be very helpful during the Maduro

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Speaker 2: the objective, I think without that support from Venezuela, Cubans

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Speaker 2: in a matter of minds, And I think that's what

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Speaker 2: the President is talking about, like literally, they can't survive

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Speaker 2: themselves as the Velz Rodriguez of Cuba, or wondering if

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Speaker 2: Alasade Costcoal.

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Speaker 1: I agree. Last question, Colleague Mark Wayne Mullen. I got

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Speaker 1: to fly on Thursday. I gotta fly on Saturday. We

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Speaker 1: need DHS up and running. Does he have the votes?

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Speaker 1: How quickly can he get confirmed?

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Speaker 2: I assume that's going to be a priority, I think

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Speaker 2: for the Senate, Hugh. The President said that Secretary No

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Speaker 2: would stay in the job until March thirty. First, that's

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Speaker 2: just about the time that will break to be back

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Speaker 2: the administration is working over time to get all of

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Speaker 2: Mark Wayne's papers lined up and up to the Home

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Speaker 2: on Security Government Fairs Committee, and we'll do everything we

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Speaker 1: Senator Tom Cotton, No, it's good to talk to you

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Speaker 1: and get all the info. I appreciate it very much.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in America. I'm Hugh Hewett, joined now by

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Speaker 1: Fox News' own Lucas Tomlinson. He is in the war,

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Speaker 1: He's in Dubai, Lucas, what is the day like today?

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Speaker 1: Has the UAE can you had to come under attack

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Speaker 1: from Iran.

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Speaker 6: It's been a little quiet in the past twenty four hours, Hue.

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Speaker 6: That doesn't mean it's been quiet since this war in

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Speaker 6: Iran began. In fact, Ua has been the main target

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Speaker 6: for Iran. Iran has fired over fourteen hundred drones at

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Speaker 6: this country about the size of South Carolina, and has

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Speaker 7: Two hundred and fifty ballistic missiles.

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Speaker 6: The good news, the Amuradis are intercepting all of Iran's

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Speaker 6: projectiles to the extent of over ninety two percent have

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Speaker 6: and it came at a cost. Today an Amaradi helicopter

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Speaker 6: So that is something that Iran promised that if there

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Speaker 6: And what's happened is here in the Gulf States is

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Speaker 6: the air defense has been very strong this far.

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Speaker 1: Lucas, Iran fired a missile at Turkey today, Air one

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Speaker 1: the president of that country express dismay. But that is

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Speaker 1: an Article five issue, is that it doesn't the rest

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Speaker 6: It sure is if Turkey were to invoke Article five,

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Speaker 6: and of course goes to a bit of a bureaucratic process, Hugh.

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Speaker 7: But you're right.

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Speaker 6: The Turkey is a NATO member and they were attacked,

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Speaker 6: and they certainly can it's within their right to invoke

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Speaker 6: Article five. But if you're relying on the British forces,

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Speaker 6: because they only have a few service combatants ready to deploy.

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Speaker 6: In fact, one of their destroyers top twenty three destroyers,

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Speaker 6: have about ten service combatants that they can muster, and

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Speaker 6: all their destroyers and frigates are only for air defense,

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Speaker 6: which would come in handy of course in this war,

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Speaker 6: but cannot fire long range cruise missiles. You see Prime

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Speaker 6: he's no Churchill. But the French are deploying their aircraft

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Speaker 6: the Ford aircraft carrier Strike Group has been moved over

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Speaker 1: So Lukas, one of the people in Dubai tell you

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Speaker 6: They're not happy things have come to blows to you.

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Speaker 8: I was.

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Speaker 7: You can see you right there in the map, Hew.

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Speaker 1: So Lucas. Before the war began, I was told by

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Speaker 1: So Lukas last question when you leave Dubai, are you

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Speaker 6: Right I go where orders you would? Cuba would be

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Speaker 7: It's very busy, very noisy.

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Speaker 1: Luc and thank you for joining me. Everyone follow him

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Speaker 1: x sank Welcome back to America. Just talking about the album Thriller.

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Speaker 1: It is thrilling, sort of to live in Israel every day,

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Speaker 1: under attack from the north, from Hesblah, under attack from

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Speaker 1: Iran at intermittent times throughout the night. Nothing yet from mamma.

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Speaker 1: I'm joined by a former Israeli ambassador to the United States,

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Speaker 1: doctor Michael Oran. Well played on CNN, Doctor Oran, when

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Speaker 9: They had a seven minute item you about Lebanon all

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Speaker 9: It's basically propaganda, and I wasn't gonna let him get

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Speaker 1: Let's talk Lebanon first. I have seen open source discussions

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Speaker 9: Well, it's not quite true that what the message was

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Speaker 5: They wanted to get a.

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Speaker 9: Ceasefire and the response to the Trump administration was terrific.

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Speaker 9: Was Listen, you promised to dismantle his brother's arms to

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Speaker 5: And I thought that was an excellent response.

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Speaker 9: You want the hard facts. Hamas and Iran a pretty

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Speaker 5: So yeah, we've got to this. We are in maybe

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Speaker 9: It just means there's going to be a very intense

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Speaker 9: And you know, Americans, you know, we understand here. The

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Speaker 5: We're in the army. This could go on for a

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Speaker 1: But now Israel's navy, Israel's navy last night took out

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Speaker 9: And again, the model is not Iraq, it's not Afghanist,

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Speaker 1: Now, Ambassador, and we are on how many two point zero?

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's significant Hamini, the founder, was against

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Speaker 9: and does this chip away further at what little legitimacy

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Speaker 9: this regime still had.

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Speaker 1: Last question, Israel Advocacy Group, what you've founded has got

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Speaker 1: to be busier than ever. Do people understand the depth

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Speaker 1: of the integration of the US and Israeli military operations?

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Speaker 9: They do not, And I will tell you at a

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Speaker 9: personal level, at an historical level, you know, the United

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Speaker 9: States and is you have always had a.

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Speaker 5: Totally special relationship.

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Speaker 9: In the deepest and most multifaceted strategic alliance which the

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Speaker 9: United States has had with any foreign power in the

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Speaker 9: post forward two period, does include the United States and

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Speaker 9: Great Britain.

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Speaker 5: That's much to say about that.

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Speaker 9: Now and today, Israel is without question America's only truly

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Speaker 9: dependable military ally in the world. An ALLI is going

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Speaker 9: to be there, and a ally that's willing to fight. Now,

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Speaker 9: that's extraordinary. And I don't recall anything like that of

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Speaker 9: the United States and Israel a cooperating at the level

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Speaker 9: they're cooperating and mounting a joint defensific it's a common enemy.

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Speaker 5: It's quite extraordinary, it is.

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Speaker 1: And if people understood the tactical integration as well, to

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Speaker 1: the extent that it's available, I think anyone who's studied

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Speaker 1: and even reads lightly about war would be as doneged.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Michael Lauren has a new piece over at Fox

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Speaker 1: on the fact that we've been at war with They're

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Speaker 1: on for forty seven years, same sort of thing I

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Speaker 1: wrote for The Daily Wire today. So go over to

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Speaker 1: Dr Michael Lauren on X and find it, or you

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Speaker 1: can find it on my feet. I just reposted it

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Speaker 1: as well. Thank you ambacheador or and I'll be right back.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back America. I'm he Hewitt, joined now by Nada Nadav.

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Speaker 1: Where do we find you today.

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Speaker 10: Well, I'm right now in New Jersey going to teach

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Speaker 10: my class tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 5: Not far from here in New York.

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Speaker 1: You are at the Columbia School of International and Public Affairs.

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Speaker 1: What are you going to tell your students about this war?

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Speaker 10: I'm going to tell them that this is a historic

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Speaker 10: moment in the history of the Middle East.

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Speaker 5: It's a watershed moment.

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Speaker 4: It's the first.

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Speaker 10: Time that Iran has been in a direct confrontation with

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Speaker 10: the United States and Israel. Since its inception, the Islamic

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Speaker 10: Republic has spoken, has prophesied about a judgment day in

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Speaker 10: which there would be a confrontation between itself and the West.

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Speaker 10: And that day has come, and it is very much

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Speaker 10: related due to the actions of the Islamic Republic in

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Speaker 10: those recent decades and the way that it has based

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Speaker 10: its national narrative, its creed on the ideas of death

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Speaker 10: to America and death to Israel and I'm also going

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Speaker 10: to discuss with students who want to discuss the complexity

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Speaker 10: of this problem.

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Speaker 1: Will there be a.

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Speaker 10: Change within the regime, Will there be a regime change

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Speaker 10: the sort of a democratic revolution that the West would

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Speaker 10: want to see. These matters are really very complex and nuanced,

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Speaker 10: and I think this is how.

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Speaker 1: We should approach them. Nada, I have a piece in

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Speaker 1: the Daily Wire today about watching the original Iranian Revolution

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Speaker 1: in the fall of seventy eight in January seventy nine

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Speaker 1: with former President Nixon and Ray Price and San Clementy.

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Speaker 1: I had just gotten out of college, the same age

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Speaker 1: of your students should be talking to today, And how

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Speaker 1: many came down the steps on February one, after the

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Speaker 1: show had left a ten days earlier, twelve days earlier,

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Speaker 1: and no one in the West had a idea what

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Speaker 1: har Many was about. They thought it was like a

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Speaker 1: green red revolution and everything would be flip flowered. His

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Speaker 1: theology is so radical. Two questions, Do your students know

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Speaker 1: what his theological worldview is and what we think how

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Speaker 1: many two point zeros worldview is and do they know

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Speaker 1: that how many two point zero hereditary succession is completely

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Speaker 1: contradictory to what harmony himself preached.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, these are excellent questions, and I'm not sure it

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Speaker 10: really depends on what kind of classes they're taking you.

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Speaker 10: But I think that it was an Israel back in

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Speaker 10: nineteen seventy nine, nineteen eighty, and I've seen the articles

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Speaker 10: to prove this.

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Speaker 5: I can send you one.

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Speaker 10: Just after the show, people were saying, this is going

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Speaker 10: to be a disaster. This is Hominy is a hardliner,

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Speaker 10: an extremist. He's going to take this country, the entire country.

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Speaker 10: He's going to seize control. And that coalition that you

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Speaker 10: spoke about, the Red and Green coalition, is just going

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Speaker 10: to become green. It's just going to become Islamic. And

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Speaker 10: what we're seeing now that you just mentioned the hereditary

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Speaker 10: nature of the regime by electing much Daba Hami Nai

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Speaker 10: as the leader, the son of Ali Haminna'i, this is

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Speaker 10: maybe the final betrayal of the Islamic Republic with the

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Speaker 10: idea that it tried to replace the hereditary rule, the

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Speaker 10: idea of monarchy that has ruled Irand for thousands of years.

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Speaker 10: They came and said no more, we are a republic.

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Speaker 10: This is how they describe themselves. And yet the Council

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Speaker 10: of experts elected the day before yesterday the son of

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Speaker 10: the former leader to lead the country. And that tells

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Speaker 10: you a lot about what has happened to the Islamic

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Speaker 10: Republic and the difference between the promise of the Islamic Republic,

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Speaker 10: which was we are going to be a free country

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Speaker 10: and an Islamist country, and that promise almost immediately evaporated

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Speaker 10: towards authority.

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Speaker 1: Dob I listened with you and a mate and Dan Senor,

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Speaker 1: and he shouldn't be the moderate guy in Israel. So

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Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you that I wanted the audience

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Speaker 1: to know this. Republicans are fully support of this war

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Speaker 1: almost ninety percent, Democrats almost ninety five percent against it,

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Speaker 1: Independent sort of three quarters against it. It doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: right now. I mean to see how it ends. What's

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Speaker 1: the feeling in Israel about this war, and how it

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Speaker 1: has to end.

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Speaker 10: The feeling in Israel, and that's almost the consensus in Israel,

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Speaker 10: more than eighty percent, is that it needs to end

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Speaker 10: with the resounding defeat of the Islamic Republic. It's sort

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Speaker 10: of a change within the regime or a change of

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Speaker 10: the regime.

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Speaker 1: President Trump, I think said it best.

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Speaker 10: It's not about trying to install someone else specifically there.

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Speaker 10: It's about the Islamic republic answering some basic conditions, for instance,

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Speaker 10: not supporting terror across the region. This is how Israelis

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Speaker 10: feel about this. And if you look at Israeli opposition,

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Speaker 10: the chairman of the opposition, the chairman of the opposition

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Speaker 10: is the one who's now recommending the government to bomb

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Speaker 10: Hog Island, where the entire oil installations and gas installations

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Speaker 10: of the Islamic Republic are located. This is is Lapede

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Speaker 10: who is saying that a sworn political rival of Prime

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Speaker 10: Minister NATANIAO. So this gives you an idea the extent

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Speaker 10: of a unity in Israel in reference to the war.

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Speaker 10: Having said that, I don't want to sugarcoat this. This

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Speaker 10: is a difficult war for Israeli Habalas joined the war.

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Speaker 10: People are running for the shelters sometimes every few minutes,

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Speaker 10: and they are traumatized because of three years of war

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Speaker 10: that began with the mass massacre on our southern border

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Speaker 10: on October seven.

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Speaker 1: So they want this over.

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Speaker 10: And as we can see on the screen and we

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Speaker 10: just saw, there are also damages and this is significant.

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Speaker 10: And because of that, people are saying We're willing to

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Speaker 10: suffer now if this means that Iran will be taking

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Speaker 10: off as a thread for the next two decades. But

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Speaker 10: we definitely want this to end with something that is meaningful.

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Speaker 10: Whether or not this could be achieved, the jury is

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Speaker 10: still out about that now.

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Speaker 1: I lost on it. For Israelis you meet doctor orn

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Speaker 1: and Abe and you all have different, very different nuanced

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Speaker 1: takes on questions. But this one I want to ask

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Speaker 1: all of you. Hezbolla appears to be offering a shepherd piece.

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Speaker 1: They're getting that crap kicked out of it, and they

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Speaker 1: may be breaking with Lebanon, and they may be breaking

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Speaker 1: with Iran. Would you accept the shepherd piece? Is a

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Speaker 1: good idea with Hesbala right.

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Speaker 10: Now, with hisbel itself, of course not, But with the

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Speaker 10: state of Flebanon, that could be a very good idea

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Speaker 10: if the state of Flebon can actually disarm Hballah. The

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Speaker 10: idea in Lebanon, the consensus in Lebanon, the UN Security

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Speaker 10: Counsel of the Decisions is that after the idea we

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Speaker 10: drew from Lebanon in the year two thousand, there is

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Speaker 10: no reason for his Bala to exist as an armed militia.

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Speaker 1: It's not only an armed militia.

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Speaker 10: It's the most heavily funded and founded military group terror

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Speaker 10: group in the entire world. And what the Lebanese are

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Speaker 10: now saying that I think you're referring to is that

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Speaker 10: let's let's negotiate directly with this world first time in history.

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Speaker 10: Let's even maybe sort of have an agreement there. I

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Speaker 10: think that's an excellent idea if we can get that done.

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Speaker 1: Nadada, I always go to talk to you, continue to play,

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Speaker 1: doing more and more and more insider over at ram

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Speaker 1: scene or his place. Call me back, get the inside

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Speaker 1: edition so you don't mention a minute of nadav or

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Speaker 1: a may thank you, Nadad. I'll be right back to

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Speaker 1: America VIII. Arter back in America. I'm yet solely as Vito,

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Speaker 1: as calmness of the world. She writes for the Washington Post,

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Speaker 1: for the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, for the New York Post,

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Speaker 1: for the Washington Examiners, probably writes Frather things I don't

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Speaker 1: know about, Selena. How are you?

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Speaker 7: Oh, just live in the dream.

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Speaker 11: The sun is out, which is very rare, so I'm

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Speaker 11: enjoying it.

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Speaker 1: It's Pittsburgh. You can't get your hopes done has the

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Speaker 1: President called you recently? He was talking to Brian kill

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Speaker 1: Me last night, right before the show, so I think

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Speaker 1: he likes to call people right before their shows.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't have a show.

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Speaker 11: I talked to him a week ago, but we've talked

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Speaker 11: about East Palestine and the ten million dollars that he

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Speaker 11: got for economic development in the downtown area and infrastructure,

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Speaker 11: but not the war.

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Speaker 1: No, not the war, all right, so just give me.

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Speaker 1: You haven't been spun by the president then, yet? What

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Speaker 1: do you think of the battle with Iran?

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Speaker 11: Well, so I'm going to I have to base it

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Speaker 11: on the interviews I've been doing with people, and you know,

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Speaker 11: there's overwhelming support.

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Speaker 7: You know, you and I have talked about this before.

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Speaker 11: It's two different worlds you straddle when you are when

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Speaker 11: you are a reporter. There's the one that you live

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Speaker 11: in and you report from, in particular if you're coming

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Speaker 11: for places like I do right Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 11: And then there's no online world, which is very very

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Speaker 11: different and people have very very different motivations outside of

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Speaker 11: their honest feelings about something to how they form their opinion.

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Speaker 11: That's a long way of me saying people are very

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Speaker 11: supportive of this.

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Speaker 1: They understood. Let me play you a little clip of

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Speaker 1: Harry Anton on CNN and get your reaction to it.

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Speaker 1: Cut number two.

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Speaker 12: Overall public and those who are either currently or have

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Speaker 12: served in the military. Take a look at this Fox

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Speaker 12: newspap that came out during the past week net approval

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Speaker 12: rating of the current US military action against Ron. Look

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Speaker 12: at that overall Fox News shows a dead even split,

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Speaker 12: But look at those who served in the military significantly

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Speaker 12: higher support for the US military action currently going on

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Speaker 12: in Iran at plus twenty points.

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Speaker 1: Selena, veterans know who we're fighting. My son, my son

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Speaker 1: in law, my nephew, they've all been attacked by Iran

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Speaker 1: when they were in uniform. Well, there's no doubt among

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Speaker 1: the veterans. I mean there might be a few, there

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Speaker 1: are all the few, but it's over They know the

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Speaker 1: enemy and I think that makes a huge difference here.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's really it's really interesting. And you know, even

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Speaker 11: Paul Skins, the cy Young Award, a winning pitcher.

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Speaker 7: For the Pirates, right. I don't know if you've seen him.

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Speaker 7: He's absolutely amazing.

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Speaker 3: I have a really great piece with him this today.

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Speaker 11: But his support for the military and for the country

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Speaker 11: as he's getting ready to pitch tonight in the World

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Speaker 11: Baseball Series. I think just exemplifies how military men and

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Speaker 11: women feel about Iran, because no other country has killed

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Speaker 11: more in this in this century of measure than Iran.

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Speaker 1: Well said, I was a little bit surprised because I

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Speaker 1: wasn't aware that Pittsburgh had a professional ball club anymore.

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Speaker 1: Tell me soddenly, I'm sorry. I know you love your

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Speaker 1: party is amazing.

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Speaker 11: He's absolutely amazing.

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Speaker 3: And his love of country.

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Speaker 7: You know, people don't know he's served. He was in

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Speaker 7: the Air Force Academy.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Where tell us his name and

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Speaker 1: he's a National League player. I don't follow him because

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Speaker 1: he doesn't get to the postseason, because he's with the Pirates.

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Speaker 7: All Skins.

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Speaker 11: He's pitching tonight. Take a look at my story at

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Speaker 11: Zito Selena, just about his level of country, love of military,

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Speaker 11: how proud he is to be playing tonight.

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Speaker 7: He's pitching tonight.

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Speaker 11: The United States has just been crushing it in this series,

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Speaker 11: and if people haven't been watching it, I highly recommend

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Speaker 11: that you do. It is such an expression of patriotism

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Speaker 11: and passion for our country among these players it's really amazing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you've got the one Democrat in Pennsylvania supports

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Speaker 1: the troops and the war. John Fetterman, what happened to

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Speaker 1: the Democrats that we grew up with? Selena As I'm

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Speaker 1: with Brian kill me last night. I just said, this

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Speaker 1: is not Fdr Truman, Kennedy, LBJ, not even Bill Clinton.

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Speaker 1: They're all against this combat and they won't fund it.

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Speaker 11: You know who stuns me the most is Mark Warner.

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Speaker 11: He really has done a complete change, right. He's really

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Speaker 11: become sort of strident. If Republican or Trump, it's not

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Speaker 11: just Trump anymore. If a Republican is attached to it,

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Speaker 11: he is stridently against it. He could be against school

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Speaker 11: crossing crossing guards. If Donald Trump said let's all support

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Speaker 11: school crossing guards and give them, give them a draise,

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Speaker 11: he'd be against it.

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Speaker 1: It's the Democratic Party disease. Mark Warner is a very

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Speaker 1: smart man. I've met him a few times, very smart guy.

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Speaker 1: But the Virginia Democratic Party has gone way left, and

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Speaker 1: so you have to worry about that if you're an

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Speaker 1: incumbent center I don't know if they'll ever vote for

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Speaker 1: a Democratic for supplemental for the war. I hope you

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Speaker 1: follow that story and Zito Selena dot com reader story

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Speaker 1: on the world series and that Buck who is planning

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Speaker 1: for it whatever his name is, or just follower at

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Speaker 1: Zito Selena on x or go to Selenazito dot com

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Speaker 1: for everything that you write. Welcome back to America. I'm

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Speaker 1: Hewett Leland vittert rejoins us. He was last on when

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Speaker 1: his wonderful book Born Lucky came out. Continues to sell

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Speaker 1: like hotcake or to touch an extraordinary look into the

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Speaker 1: lifetime in childhood, especially of children who are born somewhere

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Speaker 1: on the spectrum. Leland is a though on today because

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Speaker 1: he's a war correspondence, war course bonding. He's in the

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Speaker 1: studio now with Unbalance every night over at NewsNation. But

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to him about covering this war. Leland,

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Speaker 1: how are you well?

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Speaker 8: Once a war coorse find is always a war corse

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Speaker 8: bonder hughes. So sometimes, as you know, the arrows and

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Speaker 8: knives of a Washington news are worse than that. Actually

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Speaker 8: in war I.

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Speaker 1: Don't know that because I've never had to work in

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Speaker 1: a newsroom in DC. The newsroom I had was PBS

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Speaker 1: INLA and that was pretty bad. But that's okay, Leland.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you Number one, there's so much

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Speaker 1: available on the web that it is difficult to distinguish

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Speaker 1: between AI generated disinformation and hard facts. What filters are

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Speaker 1: you putting up to make sure you only learn what's true?

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Speaker 8: Well, trying my very best to cross reference everything I

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Speaker 8: hear number one. Number two, cross referencing not only sort

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Speaker 8: of what you're hearing in seeing online, but with real

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Speaker 8: people who are either in the region or involved in

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Speaker 8: the government in other places where they are in a

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Speaker 8: position to independently verify so much of this. But you're

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Speaker 8: right that AI has created a fog of war, and

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Speaker 8: you could say call it a fog of journalism, which

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Speaker 8: is far greater than anything we ever had to deal

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Speaker 8: with before.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that. Now, what I'm trying to do

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Speaker 1: is find facts. When someone like the IDF puts out

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Speaker 1: the number of attacks that decreased by ninety percent, We've

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Speaker 1: destroyed eighty percent of their launchers, but those percent of

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Speaker 1: drones are getting through, or the UAE post their daily

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Speaker 1: Defense Ministry stats. I rely on that, And when we

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Speaker 1: sink ships in the Iranian Navy, I rely on that.

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Speaker 1: And we always tell people our casualties, but how do

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Speaker 1: we What else do you look for other than the IDF,

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Speaker 1: the scentcom feed, the UAE feed. What else are you

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Speaker 1: relying on?

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Speaker 8: Relying a lot on trying to see what's happening on

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Speaker 8: the ground. And I think the one thing to be

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Speaker 8: watching for right now is whether or not there are

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Speaker 8: protests on the ground in Iran.

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Speaker 3: We have not seen a lot of video of that.

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Speaker 3: That's something I'm watching for.

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Speaker 8: I'm watching the price of oil because I think that

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Speaker 8: is sort of signifying howc usful the Iranians are and causing.

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Speaker 3: The one pain point they have left.

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Speaker 8: I'm watching for what the Iranian drones have been able

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Speaker 8: to destroy in terms of US military hardware, not only

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Speaker 8: the casualties, but the very high end US military hardware.

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Speaker 8: I'm also watching for what's not being said. Sometimes and

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Speaker 8: often what's not being said, which in this case is

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Speaker 8: a specific goal by the administration of what they view

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Speaker 8: as the end of this war may be the most

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Speaker 8: important things leland.

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Speaker 1: Which war tell of the audience who may not be

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Speaker 1: familiar with how many years you spent war zone, where

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Speaker 1: you went, when you went, what you saw.

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Speaker 3: Four years in the Middle East.

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Speaker 8: So a couple of Gaza Wars, the Libyan Revolution, the

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Speaker 8: Egyptian Revolution, covered the Syrian Revolution, some time in the Gulf,

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Speaker 8: a little bit of the uprising in Turkey, and then

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Speaker 8: spent the last month my overseas tour in Ukraine's the

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Speaker 8: first Russian invasion in twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 1: So that's the perfect setup. In the ten years that

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Speaker 1: have elapsed since the twelve years since you were in Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: war has changed. I've been in this game for since

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine in broadcast, and I've been studying Iran

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Speaker 1: since nineteen seventy eight with Richard Nixon. It's completely different.

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Speaker 1: The drones is completely different. Do you think the American

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Speaker 1: consuming audience understands how different war has become?

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Speaker 8: Well, they may not, but they will once they watch

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Speaker 8: on Balance at nine pm tonight on News Nation, or

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Speaker 8: they listen to this interview on the Uhwite Show, because

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Speaker 8: that's what we're talking about tonight.

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Speaker 10: It is.

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Speaker 8: Beyond incompetence from the US military that they did not

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Speaker 8: plan better for the low end military threat.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 8: The US is just extraordinary at the high end of

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Speaker 8: being able to intercept ballistic missiles and shoot down.

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Speaker 3: Incoming fighter jets, in the light.

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Speaker 8: What they're not good at, and what the past week

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Speaker 8: has proved that they have a very hard time doing

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Speaker 8: is intercepting massive amounts of Iranian drones coming in in swarms.

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Speaker 8: And what is stunning to meet, Hugh, and I think

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Speaker 8: what you're getting at is that this was so predictable

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Speaker 8: because it's exactly what the Russians have been doing to

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Speaker 8: the Ukrainians with Iranian drones, and the US military seem

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Speaker 8: just not to plant that.

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Speaker 3: You're showing videos of Tomahawk.

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Speaker 8: Missiles that cost two and three million dollars apiece, and

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Speaker 8: the interceptors that go up can be four or five

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Speaker 8: million dollars apiece, and we're spending those using those trying

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Speaker 8: to shoot down twenty thousand dollars drones.

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Speaker 3: It is not a good investment here.

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Speaker 1: There are two things that I haven't seen, Leland, maybe

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Speaker 1: you have. I saw a brief bit of open intel

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Speaker 1: that the growler, which dispatches from the carriers. Although there

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Speaker 1: is an expeditionary squadron of growlers that can fly from

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Speaker 1: Air Force bases, but they're on carre they can bring

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Speaker 1: down drones in dramatic number. I don't know how many

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Speaker 1: growlers we have and how often they're deployed. The second

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Speaker 1: thing is that our pights, which are sub hundreds. The

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Speaker 1: Iranian Navy had five subs at the beginning, five real

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Speaker 1: big subs. One has been sunk, but they had a

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Speaker 1: lot of mini subs. Have you sent any open source

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Speaker 1: stuff on that.

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Speaker 8: I have not, But I think what you're seeing in

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Speaker 8: terms of a direction, and we'll have a little bit

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Speaker 8: more on this tonight, is the fact that the US

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Speaker 8: Navy is not transiting the sort of straight of war

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Speaker 8: moves and providing tanker escorts that we know of right

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Speaker 8: now tell you. I think that Central Command does not

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Speaker 8: yet confidently understand what the Iranian capabilities are, what's survived

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Speaker 8: from an Iranian capability standpoint in the straight of war

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Speaker 8: moves in the very close in coastal waterways around Iraq,

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Speaker 8: And that to me is once we start seeing that,

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Speaker 8: that will tell us that the United States Central Command

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Speaker 8: is much more confident about that.

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Speaker 3: It's no surprise right that President Trump.

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Speaker 8: In his opening statement about the Iranian attack, Ranian war, whatever.

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Speaker 3: You want to call it.

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Speaker 8: Instead, we've gone after Iran's navy, and that's because everyone

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Speaker 8: knew that the straight of hor.

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Speaker 3: Moves was the checkpoint.

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Speaker 8: This was Iran's blackmail, and I think it speaks volumes

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Speaker 8: to why this war has been necessary, that the Iranians

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Speaker 8: have handled themselves and done what they have done to

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Speaker 8: try to economically blackmail the world.

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Speaker 1: Last question, Leland I turned down on Mark Montgomery. Of course,

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Speaker 1: Senator Cotton's on a little bit later. People who have

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Speaker 1: access to open source and closed source, and they're careful,

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Speaker 1: who's your goad to guy? You haven't got Jack King,

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Speaker 1: mister war on Fox. I don't either. Who's your go

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Speaker 1: to people for military expertise?

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Speaker 8: There a couple of people who will both be on tonight.

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Speaker 8: One is Kirk Lippold, who was the commander of the

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Speaker 8: USS Cole but who understands these waters. He's been in

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Speaker 8: the straight of hor Moves time and time again. I

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Speaker 8: think he has something like forty crossings right now, so

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Speaker 8: he understands those waters, and to your point, can not

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Speaker 8: only look at the open source intel, but look at

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Speaker 8: what's happening and then tell us why it's happening, to

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Speaker 8: extrapolate out what the reality on the ground is.

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Speaker 3: And then we've also found a great guest.

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Speaker 8: I know he's available to come on your show is

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Speaker 8: a guy named John Tikert who was an F twenty

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Speaker 8: two pilot and a commander of the Edwards Air Force

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Speaker 8: Base Test Squadron that did all of the Air Force

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Speaker 8: testing in terms for aircraft air defenses, on and on

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Speaker 8: and on and lastly, he finished up his career as

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Speaker 8: a one star general as the US military acts Shay

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Speaker 8: to a rock, so he understands the region on top

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Speaker 8: of all that in terms of air powers invaluable.

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Speaker 1: F twenty two the apex predator really of all military systems.

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Speaker 1: Leyland Vetter. Clean water is not complicated, but it is essential.

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Speaker 1: Without it, public health suffer, education, declined, economic stability. It

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Speaker 1: weekends if it doesn't collapse. Across Latin America and the Caribbean,

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Speaker 1: families are facing that reality of unclean water. Every day.

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Speaker 1: Mothers walk miles for clean water. Children are exposed to

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Speaker 1: I interrupt my war coverage to bring to you a

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Speaker 1: very special guest, doctor Ross Green. He is one of

891
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: the leading educators in America is the author of the

892
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: brand new book The Kids who Aren't Okay. The Kids

893
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: who Aren't Okay came out last week just as the

894
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 1: war broke out, so I did not get the attention

895
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Speaker 1: it deserved. But I want to make sure that the

896
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Speaker 1: parents and teachers of America's fifty million K through twelve

897
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: kids know about the kids who Aren't Okay. So doctor

898
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Speaker 1: Ross Green agreed degree joined me today. Doctor Green, how

899
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: are you and where are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm in Freeport Maine, a territory you know well, and

901
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 4: I'm probably a little colder than you.

902
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Speaker 1: Are ll being still open, I'm sure, doctor Green. I

903
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: want to ask you, would you tell people at the

904
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Speaker 1: beginning of this your long intervention in American education, especially

905
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Speaker 1: in the restrained industrial system, as a way of trying

906
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: to set up why you wrote the kids who aren't okay?

907
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Speaker 4: I wrote the kids who aren't okay because we are

908
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 4: still manhandling a lot of kids who aren't okay. It's

909
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 4: called the restraint industry. We keep teaching our educators what

910
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 4: to do when it's already too late, and there are

911
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Speaker 4: a lot of kids who aren't doing very well right now,

912
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Speaker 4: and we have to open our eyes to that.

913
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Speaker 1: In my grandkids school district, a child died from restraint

914
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 1: in December, and of course they're facing an enormous lawsuit.

915
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Speaker 1: How often does that happen in America?

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Speaker 4: Restraint happens more often than we think. It's about seventy

917
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Speaker 4: to one hundred thousand times a year, depending on whose

918
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Speaker 4: statistics you believe. Death, which is the most extreme outcome,

919
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 4: we average about two or three deaths per year, based

920
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Speaker 4: on the most recent research that I'm aware of.

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Speaker 1: All right now, doctor, you wrote this book, and I

922
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Speaker 1: say it often because Franklin's taught me. Unless you say

923
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 1: in the title of a book seven times times, people

924
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: won't remember the kids who Aren't Okay. So I will

925
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Speaker 1: say the kids who Aren't Okay at least seven times

926
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Speaker 1: in every segment. I'm overwhelmed by it. When I got

927
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: the page one seventy four, evidence based Treatment, I was

928
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: sitting there thinking to myself, my God, how do we

929
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: solve these problems? Do you run into that a lot?

930
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: Because there are it's overwhelming.

931
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Speaker 4: It's it's thick. I'll say that schools definitely implement a

932
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 4: lot of programs that are not evidence based. The model

933
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Speaker 4: contained in The Kids who Aren't Okay is evidence based.

934
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Speaker 4: I spent a lot of my career doing research on

935
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 4: the model. It works, but we do have to sort

936
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 4: of plow through all of these structures that are in place,

937
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 4: all of these programs that we already do. Once we

938
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 4: can get comfortable enough to take a look at our

939
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Speaker 4: practices and whether they're actually working, it's not that hard

940
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Speaker 4: to start doing the right thing.

941
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Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about the right thing in a moment,

942
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Speaker 1: but I think the summary quote that I want to

943
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Speaker 1: take aways on page seventy five when you dip into

944
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: your Shakespeare knowledge and quote the Bard saying better three

945
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: hours too soon than a minute too late, And that

946
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Speaker 1: is a summary of the whole book. Intervene early, figure

947
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Speaker 1: out what's going on with a kid who acts up

948
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Speaker 1: and has troubles facing the problems that they're dealing with.

949
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Speaker 1: They can't solve problem better to intervene early. Is that

950
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Speaker 1: a fair summary? Doctor?

951
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Speaker 4: It is certainly my favorite point of the book, and

952
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 4: that is that so much of what we're teaching educators

953
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Speaker 4: to do is about crisis management. It's not that hard

954
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Speaker 4: to start being crisis prevention oriented. We can be early

955
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 4: instead of late. But there's a lot of training and

956
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 4: a lot of structures in schools that point us toward

957
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 4: being late, to the detriment of both both the kids

958
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 4: who aren't okay and the people who are trying to

959
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Speaker 4: help them out in schools.

960
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Speaker 1: Now, I feel for teachers after reading this book, because

961
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Speaker 1: there's a bell curve in every school system. They're going

962
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Speaker 1: to have children who don't problem solve very well and

963
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: who act out in different ways. And the illustrations you

964
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Speaker 1: provide throughout the book are jarring. Really really jarring. I

965
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Speaker 1: don't know how teachers do it. When did this to

966
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: begin to be noticed by you as a recurring pattern

967
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Speaker 1: of modern American education as well as the wrong solutions

968
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Speaker 1: to it.

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Speaker 4: Well, I started working with behaviorally challenging kids in graduate school,

970
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 4: started working with them in schools as a natural progression.

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Speaker 4: If you're working with kids with behavioral challenges, you're working

972
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Speaker 4: with them in schools, not just with them in families.

973
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Speaker 4: And that's when it became apparent to me that it

974
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Speaker 4: was the same kids, ten or fifteen in every school,

975
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Speaker 4: depending on the size of the school, who are accounting

976
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Speaker 4: for seventy to eighty percent of the discipline referrals in

977
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Speaker 4: that school and seventy to eighty percent of the punitive,

978
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Speaker 4: exclusionary disciplinary practices that were being administered in that school.

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Speaker 4: And I noticed that we just kept doing this stuff

980
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Speaker 4: over and over again, even though it clearly wasn't working.

981
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Speaker 4: And that is still true today. We have a lot

982
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Speaker 4: of reliance on behavior modification. But and this is a

983
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 4: key to the book. As you know, focusing on behavior

984
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 4: is not where the action's at. I get why we're

985
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 4: focused on behavior. It's the part that is most disruptive

986
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 4: to the classroom most dangerous. But behind every concerning behavior

987
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 4: is a problem that's causing it. Those problems can be

988
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:57,919
Speaker 4: identified proactively, they can be solved proactively. If we stay

989
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Speaker 4: focused on behavior, we're going to be late every single time.

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00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: Now, on page sixty one, you use that term. Ten

991
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Speaker 1: to fifteen percent of children in school account for seventy

992
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Speaker 1: to eighty percent of the discipline referrals. So that does

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00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: it telegraphs to me that the AUSP ought to be

994
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 1: developed very quickly for the ten to fifteen percent. That's

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Speaker 1: the term of art that I want people to take

996
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: away the AUSP. Would you tell people what it is?

997
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 1: And as well, what the CPS is. Those are the

998
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Speaker 1: two most common acronyms in the book, and so let's

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Speaker 1: lay it out.

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Speaker 4: For him ASUP is the assessment of skills and unsolved problems.

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00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 4: It helps us move in thirty to forty five minutes

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Speaker 4: from focusing on a kid's concerning behavior, which is just

1003
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Speaker 4: their frustration response. I use those terms interchangeably to the

1004
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 4: problems that are causing those behaviors that often have never

1005
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Speaker 4: even been identified, let alone solved. Every year, those problems,

1006
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 4: I call them unsolved problems, just get punted from one

1007
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 4: teacher the next. Year after year after a while, we

1008
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Speaker 4: have a student who has this massive pile of unsolved problems.

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Speaker 4: We've been punishing them like there's no tomorrow. We've been

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00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 4: giving them stickers and rewarding them in other ways. Their

1011
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:26,240
Speaker 4: concerning behavior is continuing because the problems that are causing

1012
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 4: those behaviors are still unsolved. The Assessment of Skills and

1013
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 4: Unsolved problem, what I call ASIP, helps us fix that.

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00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 4: I do not have a proprietary interest in it. It's

1015
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 4: free on the website of the nonprofit I've founded, Lives

1016
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 4: in the Balance. CPS stands for collaborative and proactive Solutions.

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Speaker 4: Once you identify those problems proactively, you can solve them proactively.

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Speaker 4: But not only proactively collaboratively.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, Well, I was gonna say, lives Inthebalance dot org.

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Speaker 1: I want people to make sure they know the website

1021
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Speaker 1: as well as the title of the book, Lives Inthebalance

1022
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: dot org. But go ahead proactively.

1023
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Speaker 4: Means proactively means don't wait till the heat in the

1024
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 4: moment to try to solve this highly predictable, unsolved problem.

1025
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Speaker 4: This is not the first time Timmy has had difficulty

1026
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 4: completing the double digit division problems on the worksheet in math,

1027
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 4: it's the ninety seventh time. Why are we stuck in

1028
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 4: the heat of the moment yet again dealing with Timmy's

1029
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 4: frustration response and sending Timmy to this cool disciplinarian so

1030
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 4: that someone can give consequences for Timmy's frustration response. We'd

1031
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 4: be saving a ton of time if we're identifying those

1032
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 4: problems proactively and solving the proactively. But the other keyword

1033
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 4: is collaboratively. Timmy has to be an integral, indispensable part

1034
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Speaker 4: of the problem solving process. Otherwise, US adults who tend

1035
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Speaker 4: to divine what's getting in Timmy's way and tend to

1036
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 4: divine solutions will keep doing that and somebody very important

1037
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,240
Speaker 4: is then going to be out of the loop. Timmy.

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Speaker 1: Well, I like that you just used the word punt,

1039
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Speaker 1: doctor Green, because in my notes you never use it.

1040
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Speaker 1: In the book, you see, it's method C, method A

1041
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: for dealing with unsolved problems A B and C. Method

1042
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Speaker 1: C is to punt. By the way, it's okay to

1043
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: punt on some problems, you just can't punt on them all.

1044
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Speaker 1: Is that a fair summary as well?

1045
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,720
Speaker 4: You're punting temporarily. I called it putting the problem on hold.

1046
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 4: When I say punting, I mean kicking the can down

1047
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 4: the road. But these kids, these kids who have a

1048
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 4: lot of unsolved problems, you're not going to be able

1049
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 4: to solve them all at once once they're identified. So

1050
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 4: you're going to have to put some of them on

1051
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 4: hold for a while until you can get to them,

1052
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 4: or until you feel like the kid is actually able

1053
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 4: to meet the expectation. We've been causing a lot of

1054
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 4: concerning behavior in our schools by putting expectations on kids

1055
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 4: we already know they can't meet. Who should you ask

1056
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 4: about that? They're teachers.

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Speaker 1: I'll be right back with doctor Ross Green, author of

1058
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: the brand new book The Kids who Aren't Okay. And

1059
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: if you're the parent, teacher, and grandparent, friend of one

1060
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: of the kids who Aren't Okay, that's ten to fifteen percent.

1061
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: You want to get this book and you want to

1062
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: go and find Lives in the Balance dot org. Stay ten.

1063
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,240
Speaker 1: Walking back in America, I'm Hugh Herett with doctor Ross Green,

1064
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: and we're talking about the ten to fifteen percent of

1065
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Speaker 1: America is fifty million, roughly K through twelve students who

1066
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Speaker 1: have unsolved problems and therefore become discipline issues and sometimes

1067
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Speaker 1: lead to crisis in the classroom. Everybody loses. It doesn't

1068
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Speaker 1: have to be that way, but the complex, this military

1069
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: industry complex of education, has been spinning out the same

1070
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: solution for decades and it's not working, Doctor Green over

1071
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: on page fifty five. Yeah, the closer look, where does

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Speaker 1: the National Education Association stand on restraint and seclusion? Which

1073
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Speaker 1: is the typical approach.

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Speaker 14: And there follows four of the densest pages of gobbledegook

1075
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Speaker 14: because the NEA doesn't really want to tell people what

1076
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Speaker 14: to do. I'm very glad you approached it that way

1077
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Speaker 14: because I wanted to see they really just don't want

1078
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Speaker 14: to say anything, do they.

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Speaker 4: I think that it's been hard for them to take

1080
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Speaker 4: a strong stand, and that might be in fact, I

1081
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Speaker 4: suspect this is the case because they are hearing from

1082
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Speaker 4: their constituents that they still need these obsolete practices. Restraining

1083
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Speaker 4: meaning pinning a kid to the ground, usually by three

1084
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Speaker 4: to four adults. Seclusion meaning throwing the kid into a

1085
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Speaker 4: locked or blocked closet sized seclusion room. There's a lot

1086
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Speaker 4: of educators who still believe that those practices are necessary

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Speaker 4: and point to how difficult some of their students are

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Speaker 4: as evidence of that. The students are still difficult because

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Speaker 4: of the other obsolete practices that we continue to apply

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Speaker 4: to them. If they don't do better, you're going to

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Speaker 4: get them into a frustration response. You are going to

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Speaker 4: do what seems like a necessary practice, pin into the ground,

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Speaker 4: throw them into a closet sized room. When educators implement

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Speaker 4: the CPS model, those practices pretty much disappear because they're

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Speaker 4: not necessary anymore.

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Speaker 1: Now, doctor Green, I want to stress this. When people

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Speaker 1: do the AUSP, the assessment as student as you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm terrible as up. Yeah, assessment AUSP of skills and

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Speaker 1: problem assessment of unsolved problems. When they do the AUSP,

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Speaker 1: they are going to get a long list, and you

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Speaker 1: encourage them. Don't hesitate to split the problem into its

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Speaker 1: composite parts. That by the way, an engineering solution. Don't

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Speaker 1: try and solve everything in one long assessment of the

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Speaker 1: but take the time to list the component parts. That's

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Speaker 1: hard for people because when they write something down, they

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Speaker 1: know they're going to have to confront it. Can you

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Speaker 1: get that message through? Break it down? Break it It's

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Speaker 1: like diagramming a sentence diagram the problems.

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Speaker 4: So just as a concrete example, and maybe this goes

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Speaker 4: back to engineering, I'm not sure. We're not going to

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Speaker 4: write down We're not going to try to talk with

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Speaker 4: the kid about the unsolved problem of difficulty doing math.

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Speaker 4: It's too broad, right, And in this model, there's three steps.

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Speaker 4: The first step is that we're gathering information from the kid,

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Speaker 4: who's our number one source of information on what's making

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Speaker 4: it hard for them to meet a particular expectation. People

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Speaker 4: are often skeptical about that part. They often ask me,

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Speaker 4: what makes you think the kid knows? And my answer

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Speaker 4: is thirty five years of asking. But if we ask

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Speaker 4: the kid what's making it hard for you to do

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Speaker 4: the math, you're going to get out on no, because

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Speaker 4: it's too broad. We've got to get more specific. We've

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Speaker 4: got to get more micro. What's making it hard for

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Speaker 4: you to complete the double digit division problems on the

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Speaker 4: worksheet in math. I'm always telling caregivers be prepared for

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Speaker 4: surprises when you ask, because you are likely to learn

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Speaker 4: that what you thought was getting in the kid's way

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Speaker 4: is not what's getting in the kid's way. This is

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Speaker 4: how we partner with kids on solving problems you.

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Speaker 1: Also recommend very early in the school year, if not

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Speaker 1: before it begins triage, And by that you do not

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Speaker 1: mean tracking or tearing, You do not mean segregation. What

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Speaker 1: do you mean by triage.

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Speaker 4: Knowing what's walking in the door before it walks in

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Speaker 4: the door. We should have much better communication from one

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Speaker 4: year to the next. Every educator would agree with that.

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Speaker 4: But if all we're communicating about from one year to

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Speaker 4: the next is the kid's frustration response their behavior, then

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Speaker 4: next year's teacher has absolutely no idea what expectations this

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Speaker 4: kid is having difficulty needing, how some of those problems

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Speaker 4: got solved the year before. They are pretty much going

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Speaker 4: in with blinders on. That's not continuity of care. That's

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Speaker 4: not good care. And schools are providing care for a

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Speaker 4: lot of our kids who aren't doing very well. The

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Speaker 4: care that schools provide could be better than it is

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Speaker 4: if we could just get out of our own way.

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Speaker 4: You mentioned tears. Tears refers to this organizational method called

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Speaker 4: multi tiered systems of support, which many people love, but

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Speaker 4: I find I'm neutral. I find that we end up

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Speaker 4: talking more about tears, which is what level of support

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Speaker 4: this is going kid is going to need? Than we

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Speaker 4: do about kids, and that's past Awkwards.

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Speaker 1: I compliment your use of the need to judge children,

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Speaker 1: assess children based on their level of acuity, because that's

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Speaker 1: a very accordion term. You're trying throughout this book to

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Speaker 1: dispense with the traditional stuff. And by the way, doctor

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Speaker 1: Green does not dismiss the problems of cell phones. He

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Speaker 1: doesn't dismiss the problem of porn, he doesn't dismiss bullying,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't dismiss anything. He just puts them all into

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Speaker 1: the stew that is causing these unsolved problems. And the

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Speaker 1: unsolved problems he divides into lucky ones. Okay, that's a

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Speaker 1: funny word to term, but crying, with drawing, sulking, whining,

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Speaker 1: things that elicit sympathy an unlucky one, screaming, hitting, spitting,

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Speaker 1: destroying that get punitive things going, and it's neither lucky

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Speaker 1: nor unlike. You're just trying not to exclude any unsolved problem.

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Speaker 1: Am I right about that?

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Speaker 4: That is correct every kid, And this is why this

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Speaker 4: model is good even for the kids who aren't exhibiting

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Speaker 4: concerning behavior, because as you noticed, I'm sure my definition

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Speaker 4: of good teaching is meeting every kid where they're at.

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Speaker 4: That's for kids whose frustration responses are more mild. That's

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Speaker 4: for kids whose frustration responses are bigger a frustration. No

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Speaker 4: matter what the frustration response, it's still communicating the exact

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Speaker 4: same thing. There's an expectation this student is having difficulty

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Speaker 4: reliably meeting. Once we get to the level of what

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Speaker 4: are the expectations a student is having difficulty meeting, they

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Speaker 4: can be identified proactively, they can be solved proactively. We

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Speaker 4: can get out of the heat of the moment where

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Speaker 4: I promise you nothing productive is going on. Though. That's

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Speaker 4: the biggest chane we need to make moving from our

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Speaker 4: focus on behavior where we've been forever, to our focus

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Speaker 4: on the problems that are causing them. That is massive now.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Green. As I was reading The Kids Who Aren't Okay,

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Speaker 1: it occurred to me you are, in fact teaching, especially

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Speaker 1: the teachers. When I got about halfway through the book,

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Speaker 1: page ninety five, the start of chapter six, putting the

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Speaker 1: horse back in front of the cart, you review everything

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Speaker 1: on page ninety five and the top of page ninety

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Speaker 1: six that you've written thus far, because and actually it

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Speaker 1: goes all the way to page ninety six. Repetition is

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Speaker 1: the essence of learning, right, So you're teaching the teachers

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Speaker 1: to do this again and again. Is it taking hold?

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Speaker 4: You know, in the schools that are aware of this model,

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Speaker 4: it is taking hold in a big way. Lives in

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Speaker 4: the Balance has never been busier because, quite frankly, there's

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Speaker 4: a lot of leaders in education who know that what

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Speaker 4: we're doing right now isn't working very well, especially for

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Speaker 4: kids who are sluggling the most.

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Speaker 1: I'm coming back for one more segment with doctor Green.

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Speaker 1: The book is The Kids who Aren't Okay. It's at Amazon,

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Speaker 1: It's at Barnes and Noble, It's at Lives in the

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Speaker 1: Balance as well. But all you want to do is

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Speaker 1: go to my at page. You'll find a link here.

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Speaker 1: But Kids who Aren't Okay Doctor Green will be right back.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to America. I'm Hugh Hewittt. Now Doctor Green

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Speaker 1: and I have met a few times, and my journeying

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Speaker 1: through Maine, I mentioned Lban at the top. Doctor Green

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Speaker 1: is very well known for his book Lost at School,

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Speaker 1: very well known for The Explosive Child, very well known

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Speaker 1: for everything in the world of education. If a superintendent

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Speaker 1: or a classroom teacher who is or the head of

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Speaker 1: the union or a group of concerned parents wanted to

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Speaker 1: bring this to the attention of their district and get

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Speaker 1: it to actually be absorbed. How do you recommend they

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Speaker 1: go about that? Doctor Green, Go to.

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Speaker 4: The Lives and the Balance website Lives lavees in the

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Speaker 4: Balance dot o RG tell us what you need through

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Speaker 4: the contact form. We are ready to work together with

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Speaker 4: any school system, any individual who's looking to change things

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Speaker 4: for the better, especially the for the kids who are

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Speaker 4: struggling the most.

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Speaker 1: Now, for the school districts that decide to go so.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, everyone I know that President Trump

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Speaker 1: is starting is a press conference. I'm sure Larry Elder

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Speaker 1: will have all of it, but it takes a while

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Speaker 1: for him to warm up. For the school districts that

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Speaker 1: want to embrace this, I would guess this summer they

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Speaker 1: could have everybody read it and get the teachers to

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Speaker 1: commit to doing the work early, the ausps early so

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Speaker 1: that they did not enter the school. Is that the

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Speaker 1: best way to sort of roll out system wide a

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Speaker 1: change from restraint and seclusion.

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Speaker 4: A book study is a very good place to start.

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Speaker 4: I don't want people waiting till summer. That's a that's

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Speaker 4: another three months of kids and educators suffering through current practices.

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Speaker 4: Start right away. You can get this book read in

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Speaker 4: one to two weeks. Oh easy, start playing, easy easily exactly, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you could start playing. This is an easy read. I

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Speaker 4: like to think I write that way. I also like

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Speaker 4: to think it's a very practical book. Despite some of

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Speaker 4: the idealism in the book, this is not that hard

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Speaker 4: of a change to make. With commitment, with intentionality, this

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Speaker 4: can be done. If you want to wait till summer,

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Speaker 4: that's great. I just don't want to see people suffer

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Speaker 4: any longer than they have to now.

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Speaker 1: If you get to the again, let's say ten to

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Speaker 1: twenty percent, I'll even give it. Let's say twenty percent

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Speaker 1: have unsolved problem. If you can reduce the number of

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Speaker 1: unsolved problems in half of those children to a manageable level,

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Speaker 1: the productivity of the entire classroom will increase, probably by

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Speaker 1: fifty percent. Really, I can't imagine some of these things

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Speaker 1: in the Catholic schools of my youth. It didn't happen,

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Speaker 1: probably because they were restraint models that people didn't even

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Speaker 1: know about. But nowadays I hear about it a lot,

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Speaker 1: and we don't want that to happen. What a resource suck.

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Speaker 4: This is the fascinating part. One of the biggest impediments

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Speaker 4: when people first hear about this model is they feel

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Speaker 4: that they don't have time to do it. They are

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Speaker 4: spending mammoth amounts of time on behavior. They would be

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Speaker 4: spending a fraction of the time solving the problems that

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Speaker 4: are causing that behavior. Yes, intentionality and commitment do take time,

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Speaker 4: but the schools that implement this model are saving a

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Speaker 4: boatload of time because they are not running around like

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Speaker 4: chickens with their heads cut off anymore, dealing with behavior.

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Speaker 1: Crisis from chrisis. Again. The book is The Kids who

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Speaker 1: Aren't Okay, The Kids who Aren't Okay. Doctor Green is

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Speaker 1: gran and you can find it Ross Green on Amazon.

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Speaker 1: So Doctor Rayne's Big Picture time. Are you an optimist

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Speaker 1: about American education getting this fixed? I am.

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Speaker 4: I think there are some outstanding educators out there. I

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Speaker 4: think the very vast majority of educators want the best

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Speaker 4: for their kids and love seeing them thrive. Sometimes it

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Speaker 4: is their training getting in the way, Sometimes it is

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Speaker 4: the system getting in the way. These things can be changed,

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Speaker 4: and by golly, I'm will get as much of that

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Speaker 4: change done in my lifetime as I possibly can, right

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Speaker 4: here from Freeport, Maine.

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Speaker 1: Do you know why I'm an optimist. It's because I

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Speaker 1: don't know if they're in Freeport, Maine or Portland. But

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Speaker 1: there are trial lawyers all over the United States who

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Speaker 1: are going to figure out that it is not best

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Speaker 1: practices to restrain a child. Of course that will happen

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Speaker 1: in wrongful death case, but in any case, they're going

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Speaker 1: to start suing school districts if they're not you using

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Speaker 1: your approach. That's that's why I'm an opt The trial

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Speaker 1: lawyers know there's a duty of to these children, the

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Speaker 1: ten to twenty percent, and if the duty is being

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Speaker 1: breached with damage resulting, it's a mass tort. Have anyone

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Speaker 1: told you that before?

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Speaker 4: Oh they are. It's already happening. And I am an

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Speaker 4: occasional participant in those lawsuits. I don't take any money

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Speaker 4: for it because I don't want to feel like I'm

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Speaker 4: a hired gun. I just want to make sure that

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Speaker 4: we're treating kids the right way, making sure kids and

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Speaker 4: educators aren't getting hurt, and make sure that schools that

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Speaker 4: are still using these obsolete practices are held to account.

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Speaker 1: I hope we are helping them do that once again.

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Speaker 1: The book is The Kids who Aren't Okay. It just

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Speaker 1: came out last week, just when the war got started,

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Speaker 1: so you may not have seen the regular book chore,

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Speaker 1: you know, the CBS Morning News or anything like that,

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Speaker 1: but you should. The Kids who Aren't Okay needs to

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Speaker 1: be in every teacher, guest, in every superintendent's best and

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Speaker 1: every parent with a child who is being assessed with

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Speaker 1: a difficult child. Go and get the Kids who Aren't

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Speaker 1: Okay by doctor Ross Green, doctor Ring. Good to talk

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Speaker 1: to you. Thank you America, be right back, say