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Speaker 2: She just was concerned for her own children and just

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Speaker 2: kept saying, you know, we've got to reach these kids.

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Speaker 2: They just need the Lord, honey, and I said, no,

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Speaker 2: they're dirty hippies and on, no, they need a bath.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: You know, ever since the movie Jesus Revolution came out,

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Speaker 4: people have asked me about an amazing man I knew

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Speaker 4: personally who played a pivotal role during that powerful move

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Speaker 4: of God. And that man's name was Pastor Chuck Smith,

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Speaker 4: played so powerfully by Kelsey Grammar. So today we're revisiting

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Speaker 4: a special interview from our archives, recorded live in twenty

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Speaker 4: twelve at our Harvest, Orange County campus, where I interviewed

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Speaker 4: Pastor Chuck Smith. By the way, one year after this

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Speaker 4: interview was conducted, Chuck went to be with the Lord.

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Speaker 4: You know, God used Chuck Smith in extraordinary ways to

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Speaker 4: reach a generation of searching young people and sparkle movement

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Speaker 4: that spread around the world. It was known as the

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Speaker 4: Jesus Movement, the Jesus Revolution, and Chuck was often called

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Speaker 4: the father of the Jesus Movement. So together, Chuck and

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Speaker 4: I talked about his life in ministry, from his early

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Speaker 4: calling to the explosive growth of Calvary Chapel around the world.

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Speaker 4: Chuck also opens up about facing cancer and why he

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Speaker 4: said he had no fear. I can tell you this,

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Speaker 4: knowing Chuck for over forty years, that Chuck really didn't

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Speaker 4: like to talk about himself that much, and I knew

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Speaker 4: that this was outside of his comfort zone. But I

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Speaker 4: also felt that we discovered some amazing things about him,

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Speaker 4: about his courtship with his wife Kay, about the early

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Speaker 4: days of his ministry, about a great tragedy that he

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Speaker 4: faced as a young man, and then how God had

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Speaker 4: been preparing him for the work he would be called

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Speaker 4: to do. Chuck would often say everything in life is

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Speaker 4: preparation for something else. I think you're going to enjoy

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Speaker 4: this interview. I think you're going to get some insight

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Speaker 4: into this man that will help you as you face

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Speaker 4: the challenges that life brings your way. So join me

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Speaker 4: for this conversation about faith, perseverance, and the power of

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Speaker 4: the Word of God with the father of the Jesus Movement,

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Speaker 4: Pastor Chuck Smith. Thank you for coming here tonight to

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Speaker 4: harves Strange County, and I've been looking forward to letting

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Speaker 4: people get to know the man behind the message. A

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Speaker 4: guy I've gotten to know over the years, and I

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Speaker 4: think you have an amazing story. I've heard you tell

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Speaker 4: your story many times, but I just reread your book,

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Speaker 4: your autobiography, a Memoir of Grace, and it almost read

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Speaker 4: like a story out of the Bible, you know, when

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Speaker 4: I look at how God put his hand on you

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Speaker 4: at a very early age. And your full name is

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Speaker 4: Charles Wardsmith, and you were born in Ventura, California, and

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Speaker 4: your mom and dad were Charles and mad right, that's right.

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Speaker 4: And you have two brothers, Paul and Bill, who's in

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Speaker 4: a big event happened early on in your life, and

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Speaker 4: when you were just a young boy, your sister something

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Speaker 4: so I said, when you were a little boy. Excuse me,

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Speaker 4: you weren't born yet. Tell us about what happened to

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Speaker 2: Well, actually, my sister Lead for all practical purposes, felt

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Speaker 2: I asked, you know, just he came in and saw

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Speaker 2: Just start worshiping Jesus. And he started praying for her

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Speaker 3: I will serve you.

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Speaker 2: I will you know, be just a you know, I'll

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Speaker 2: Actually about two months later when I was born and

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Speaker 2: So from the time I was just a little kid,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so from the time of your little kid, she

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Speaker 4: was reading the Bible to you.

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Speaker 3: Reading the Bible to me.

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Speaker 2: In fact, she taught me to read when I was

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Speaker 4: In your book, A Memoir of Graace, you write that

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Speaker 4: those biblical characters became my heroes. More than heroes, they

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Speaker 4: I lived. And most of all I ran with David. Yes,

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Speaker 4: I love that, so's your favorite Bible character.

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Speaker 2: Well, as a kid, he sure was, you know, Paul

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Speaker 4: And so Charles and Maud took the Smith family the

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Speaker 4: But when you were at age fourteen at church and Intura,

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Speaker 5: Do you remember that night?

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Speaker 2: We had been on vacation at Best Lake, and we

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Speaker 2: But that night I was sitting with my buddies and

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Speaker 2: When I went home, my mom and dad were still up,

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Speaker 4: So, okay, tell us now about the call to ministry.

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Speaker 4: When did that happen? Well, you felt called to actually

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Speaker 2: Well, actually, Greg, I was studying to be a medical doctor.

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Speaker 4: That was a doctor, a great doctor, I think, Well.

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Speaker 3: I would have had a lot of compassion, I'm sure. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: In fact, that's I think what was in my heart.

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Speaker 2: I mean I just had that, you know, and I figured,

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Speaker 2: And I was living in Santa Anna at the time,

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Speaker 2: And I said, well, you know, I had plans to

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Speaker 4: It was to keep that all those years. So you

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Speaker 4: Lord redirected you. But I want to talk a little

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Speaker 2: I'd seen her the night before down at Echoes of Eden,

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Speaker 3: She's go looking gal.

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Speaker 2: And so the next night, my brother was playing ball

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Speaker 3: And so I said, here, I've.

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Speaker 3: Then I started laughing. I said, this is not my car.

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Speaker 4: I've never heard that.

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Speaker 2: But I had a neat Ford convertible at that time,

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Speaker 4: So it's like a definite upgrade.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it was definitely an upgrade.

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Speaker 4: And now you guys, fell in love. And you know

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Speaker 5: You've been married to Kay for how long?

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Speaker 3: Sixty three years?

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Speaker 4: Okay, now here's the interesting thing. Sixty three years? So

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Speaker 3: Six weeks?

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Speaker 1: Our friends said it'll never last.

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Speaker 4: Well they were sure wrong, weren't they.

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Speaker 4: That's honey, that's honey. Okay, So chock question. What's a

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Speaker 4: secret to a long and successful marriage? I mean, I

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's having Christ at the center of it,

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Speaker 2: you know, And so it's not my mastering over her

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 4: So you've pastored quite a few churches in your life,

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Speaker 4: and tell me if I have the order right. Prescott Eras, Tucson, Arizona, Corona, California,

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Speaker 3: That is great.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Now, when you were pastoring in Prescott, Arizona, you

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Speaker 2: That boulder pile was when I went there was actually

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Speaker 1: And so as I was actually.

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Speaker 2: Kay was there and she said, honey, that's going to

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Speaker 1: And they had locked in there.

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Speaker 2: And so she said, honey, you know it's gonna I

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Speaker 2: The Lord taught me very early, listen to your wife, Chuck.

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Speaker 4: What I think what people don't know about you, Chuck,

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Speaker 4: You know, because you're such an optimistic person, people may think, oh,

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Speaker 4: he's had a really happy life, and really what we've

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, Ray born in Ventura, living around

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Speaker 4: but so you know, I go to where you're staying.

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Speaker 4: We had a little place right next to each other,

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Speaker 5: That was a literal hurricane. But you're calm in the middle.

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Speaker 4: Of a lot of storms, and we're going to talk

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Speaker 4: a Memoir of Grace, you write, quote, Grace does not

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Speaker 4: but we're not abandoned. And Chuck, an unimaginable tragedy happened

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Speaker 2: Well, my brother had started a motorcycle shop up being Victorville,

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Speaker 2: And I mean, it was just so hard. It took

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Speaker 4: I'm sure it's given you a greater compassion, you know.

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Speaker 4: but to make us comforters. And you've been a comforter

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00:24:23,804 --> 00:24:27,725
Speaker 4: to so many. When our son Christopher was killed in

438
00:24:27,764 --> 00:24:31,924
Speaker 4: an automobile accident, you came to my home and we

439
00:24:32,084 --> 00:24:33,924
Speaker 4: sat and talked and I remember one thing that you

440
00:24:34,004 --> 00:24:36,484
Speaker 4: said to me that was one of the most helpful

441
00:24:36,524 --> 00:24:40,004
Speaker 4: things of all. You said, never trade what you do

442
00:24:40,125 --> 00:24:43,084
Speaker 4: know for what you don't know. And I think, and

443
00:24:43,125 --> 00:24:44,764
Speaker 4: I don't want to. You know, you can explain it,

444
00:24:44,804 --> 00:24:47,484
Speaker 4: but my understanding was, what do I know? Well, I

445
00:24:47,524 --> 00:24:50,365
Speaker 4: know that God loves me. I know that my son

446
00:24:50,445 --> 00:24:53,004
Speaker 4: loved the Lord. I know he's in heaven. I know

447
00:24:53,084 --> 00:24:55,204
Speaker 4: because I've put my faith in Christ. I'll be in

448
00:24:55,244 --> 00:24:58,085
Speaker 4: heaven someday and I'll be reunited with him.

449
00:24:58,484 --> 00:24:59,085
Speaker 5: And I don't know.

450
00:24:59,044 --> 00:25:02,205
Speaker 4: Why this happened. You know, we don't know why your

451
00:25:02,324 --> 00:25:05,444
Speaker 4: father and your brother were killed in that horrible accident,

452
00:25:05,524 --> 00:25:10,125
Speaker 4: and they're just unanswerable questions. But you know, for somebody

453
00:25:10,165 --> 00:25:13,804
Speaker 4: maybe that is watching this or hearing this, maybe this

454
00:25:13,925 --> 00:25:16,725
Speaker 4: has just happened. You know, they just lost a loved

455
00:25:16,764 --> 00:25:19,645
Speaker 4: one unexpectedly. What would you say to them.

456
00:25:19,764 --> 00:25:23,484
Speaker 2: Well, again, don't give up what you know for what

457
00:25:23,524 --> 00:25:27,445
Speaker 2: you don't know, because the question is always why you know,

458
00:25:27,445 --> 00:25:30,685
Speaker 2: and that question will haunt you and make you crazy

459
00:25:30,764 --> 00:25:33,965
Speaker 2: trying to figure out why did this happen and so forth.

460
00:25:34,004 --> 00:25:37,125
Speaker 3: But I don't know why. But what I do know.

461
00:25:37,604 --> 00:25:40,244
Speaker 2: Is you know that God is good, and God loves me,

462
00:25:40,324 --> 00:25:43,324
Speaker 2: and God's working out his perfect plan in my life,

463
00:25:43,365 --> 00:25:45,364
Speaker 2: and so I'm just content with that.

464
00:25:46,244 --> 00:25:48,925
Speaker 4: You've said that many times that whatever we go through

465
00:25:49,004 --> 00:25:50,725
Speaker 4: is preparation for something else.

466
00:25:50,764 --> 00:25:51,165
Speaker 3: That's true.

467
00:25:51,205 --> 00:25:55,604
Speaker 4: Everything that you went through, even your failures in church

468
00:25:55,685 --> 00:26:00,405
Speaker 4: and in other areas, you know, prepared you for unbelievable

469
00:26:00,484 --> 00:26:03,044
Speaker 4: success that was to come. Who would have ever dreamed

470
00:26:03,084 --> 00:26:05,325
Speaker 4: that true you would play a role. And I think

471
00:26:05,484 --> 00:26:07,524
Speaker 4: now that we have some years that have passed by,

472
00:26:07,564 --> 00:26:10,204
Speaker 4: we can look back objectively at the Jesus and call

473
00:26:10,244 --> 00:26:13,925
Speaker 4: it what it was. It was a genuine, full blown revival.

474
00:26:14,004 --> 00:26:17,405
Speaker 4: It's very and I think most historians pretty much agree

475
00:26:17,445 --> 00:26:20,285
Speaker 4: with this. You know what was happening we you know,

476
00:26:20,445 --> 00:26:22,484
Speaker 4: maybe at least I didn't know what it was. You

477
00:26:22,564 --> 00:26:26,325
Speaker 4: probably had a much better perspective. But God used you

478
00:26:26,645 --> 00:26:28,965
Speaker 4: in a revival. But I want to talk a little

479
00:26:29,004 --> 00:26:34,844
Speaker 4: bit about what happened at Calvary Chapel and how God

480
00:26:34,925 --> 00:26:36,804
Speaker 4: was getting you ready. Did the Lord come to you

481
00:26:36,844 --> 00:26:39,925
Speaker 4: one morning and you know, maybe the Mission Impossible theme

482
00:26:40,004 --> 00:26:42,884
Speaker 4: song began to play in a voice said to you, Hello,

483
00:26:43,205 --> 00:26:48,044
Speaker 4: Charles Ward Smith, if should you decide to accept this mission?

484
00:26:48,205 --> 00:26:51,084
Speaker 4: You know, if not this cassette tape or self detracting

485
00:26:51,365 --> 00:26:53,445
Speaker 4: ten seconds, it would be a cassette tape because that

486
00:26:53,524 --> 00:26:55,725
Speaker 4: was the technology of the day. I'm referring to a

487
00:26:56,244 --> 00:26:59,564
Speaker 4: mission impossible. But you didn't know what was coming, did you?

488
00:26:59,604 --> 00:27:00,524
Speaker 3: No, I surely did it.

489
00:27:00,685 --> 00:27:03,764
Speaker 4: So you're pastoring these different churches. Your most successful to

490
00:27:03,764 --> 00:27:07,085
Speaker 4: the church to date was Corona, californ Things are really cranking,

491
00:27:07,885 --> 00:27:10,525
Speaker 4: but you get this invitation to come to Coasta, Mesa

492
00:27:10,925 --> 00:27:16,884
Speaker 4: to a fledging little congregation called Calvary Chapel. And I

493
00:27:16,925 --> 00:27:20,524
Speaker 4: don't think Ky was real excited about it, but you said,

494
00:27:20,844 --> 00:27:23,365
Speaker 4: I feel this is what the Lord wants me to do. Right.

495
00:27:23,804 --> 00:27:30,445
Speaker 2: Very interesting how that worked out, because basically, yeah, that's

496
00:27:30,524 --> 00:27:34,764
Speaker 2: the gist of the story. This was the second time

497
00:27:34,844 --> 00:27:37,965
Speaker 2: that we were in Corona and a group of guys

498
00:27:37,965 --> 00:27:42,565
Speaker 2: out there said, you know, how about starting an independent

499
00:27:42,645 --> 00:27:44,924
Speaker 2: church with us here at Corona. And I've been with

500
00:27:44,965 --> 00:27:49,164
Speaker 2: the Denomination for many years and I wasn't really happy.

501
00:27:49,205 --> 00:27:53,084
Speaker 2: I didn't really fit and so the opportunity to start

502
00:27:53,125 --> 00:27:56,924
Speaker 2: an independent church was very exciting to me, and so

503
00:27:57,764 --> 00:28:01,205
Speaker 2: we went out to Corona. We had a home in

504
00:28:01,284 --> 00:28:05,084
Speaker 2: Newport Beach and we had leased that out and we

505
00:28:05,125 --> 00:28:08,885
Speaker 2: went out not to Corona, and we bought a brand

506
00:28:08,965 --> 00:28:12,844
Speaker 2: new home in Corona in a new subdivision, and it

507
00:28:12,965 --> 00:28:15,725
Speaker 2: was just really great and God was blessing. The church

508
00:28:15,885 --> 00:28:20,685
Speaker 2: was just really growing like everything and just you know,

509
00:28:20,725 --> 00:28:22,444
Speaker 2: it's just sort of a dream fulfilled.

510
00:28:23,284 --> 00:28:28,805
Speaker 1: But yet it was interesting because.

511
00:28:30,484 --> 00:28:32,524
Speaker 2: A fellow who had been in the church that I

512
00:28:32,645 --> 00:28:35,844
Speaker 2: pastored in Huntington Beach was going to this little church,

513
00:28:35,965 --> 00:28:40,685
Speaker 2: Calvary Chapel, and he was saying, you know, our pastor

514
00:28:40,765 --> 00:28:44,685
Speaker 2: is resigning and we need a pastor to take over,

515
00:28:44,844 --> 00:28:48,365
Speaker 2: and why don't you, you know, come on or think

516
00:28:48,405 --> 00:28:51,124
Speaker 2: about coming on down. And I said, well, you know,

517
00:28:51,285 --> 00:28:54,924
Speaker 2: I've always liked living down in that area, and so

518
00:28:55,685 --> 00:29:01,445
Speaker 2: I would, you know, prayerfully consider it. And so I

519
00:29:01,805 --> 00:29:04,725
Speaker 2: started praying about it, and I mentioned it to Kay

520
00:29:04,765 --> 00:29:05,725
Speaker 2: and she said.

521
00:29:06,685 --> 00:29:07,645
Speaker 1: You got to be kidding.

522
00:29:08,685 --> 00:29:11,805
Speaker 2: You know, we've got this new home out here, and

523
00:29:11,925 --> 00:29:12,964
Speaker 2: the church is growing.

524
00:29:13,285 --> 00:29:14,445
Speaker 1: People love you here.

525
00:29:14,885 --> 00:29:18,565
Speaker 2: Why in the world would you even think of going down,

526
00:29:18,725 --> 00:29:22,045
Speaker 2: you know there, to that little church down there. And

527
00:29:22,084 --> 00:29:25,124
Speaker 2: I said, well, honey, all I said was I was

528
00:29:25,165 --> 00:29:27,005
Speaker 2: going to pray about it. I didn't say I was

529
00:29:27,084 --> 00:29:29,525
Speaker 2: going to go. Well, she said, you don't have to

530
00:29:29,604 --> 00:29:33,205
Speaker 2: pray about something like that. You know that God wouldn't

531
00:29:33,245 --> 00:29:35,685
Speaker 2: call you, you know, to go to something like that

532
00:29:35,805 --> 00:29:38,964
Speaker 2: when he's blessing the ministry here. And I said, well, honey,

533
00:29:39,084 --> 00:29:42,285
Speaker 2: I just said I would pray, and so we really

534
00:29:42,325 --> 00:29:43,404
Speaker 2: couldn't talk about it.

535
00:29:43,925 --> 00:29:50,364
Speaker 4: But this isn't negotiating you were talking about earlier with

536
00:29:50,405 --> 00:29:53,445
Speaker 4: the marriage, right, the successful long marriage.

537
00:29:53,445 --> 00:29:55,245
Speaker 5: This is one of the little give and take there.

538
00:29:56,245 --> 00:30:00,844
Speaker 2: So I was teaching a Bible study down here in

539
00:30:00,885 --> 00:30:04,445
Speaker 2: a home in coast to Mesa, and the people in

540
00:30:04,525 --> 00:30:07,285
Speaker 2: the Bible study were encouraging me to come on down,

541
00:30:07,805 --> 00:30:15,765
Speaker 2: and so I went home from the Bible's study that

542
00:30:15,925 --> 00:30:18,084
Speaker 2: I had here in close to Masa. Got home about

543
00:30:18,125 --> 00:30:22,205
Speaker 2: midnight and Kate was up and she met me at

544
00:30:22,205 --> 00:30:27,765
Speaker 2: the door, which had never happened before, not at that

545
00:30:27,925 --> 00:30:31,325
Speaker 2: time of the night, you know, And so I could

546
00:30:31,365 --> 00:30:34,445
Speaker 2: tell that she'd been crying. And I said, are the

547
00:30:34,525 --> 00:30:36,844
Speaker 2: kids okay? You know, are the kids all right? And

548
00:30:36,885 --> 00:30:39,325
Speaker 2: she said yeah, And I said, well you've been crying.

549
00:30:39,365 --> 00:30:41,205
Speaker 2: She said yes. I said, well, what's what?

550
00:30:41,445 --> 00:30:42,365
Speaker 3: What is it?

551
00:30:42,645 --> 00:30:45,045
Speaker 2: She said, well, the Lord's been speaking to me. And

552
00:30:45,084 --> 00:30:47,645
Speaker 2: I said, well, but's he telling you? And she said,

553
00:30:48,045 --> 00:30:50,884
Speaker 2: he is telling me that you are the husband, and

554
00:30:51,325 --> 00:30:55,924
Speaker 2: you're the one that is the minister, and you're the

555
00:30:55,965 --> 00:30:58,604
Speaker 2: one that has to listen to the Lord about the ministry,

556
00:30:59,005 --> 00:31:02,124
Speaker 2: and if the Lord is calling you, I can't really

557
00:31:02,205 --> 00:31:03,005
Speaker 2: stand in the way.

558
00:31:03,325 --> 00:31:05,924
Speaker 3: I've got to submit to you in this.

559
00:31:06,525 --> 00:31:08,925
Speaker 2: And I said, oh, honey, that's great, because I said

560
00:31:09,245 --> 00:31:14,725
Speaker 2: at the at the class tonight, they were pressing me

561
00:31:15,365 --> 00:31:17,605
Speaker 2: to see if I would make the decision to come

562
00:31:17,645 --> 00:31:21,285
Speaker 2: on down. And so she said, don't talk to me,

563
00:31:21,445 --> 00:31:22,684
Speaker 2: don't tell me anything about it.

564
00:31:22,725 --> 00:31:23,404
Speaker 3: I don't want to hear it.

565
00:31:23,604 --> 00:31:25,525
Speaker 1: I'm not I didn't say I was ready to move.

566
00:31:25,725 --> 00:31:28,525
Speaker 2: I said, I'm ready to submit, but don't press me

567
00:31:28,645 --> 00:31:33,005
Speaker 2: any further than that. And so she did submit, and

568
00:31:33,725 --> 00:31:37,845
Speaker 2: we came on down, and it's just been the rest and.

569
00:31:37,844 --> 00:31:43,725
Speaker 4: Let's give and let's give Kay her uh yeah, yeah.

570
00:31:47,805 --> 00:31:50,565
Speaker 5: Now, let's give Kay her her just due.

571
00:31:51,565 --> 00:31:55,005
Speaker 4: Kay Smith, I think is the unsung hero of the

572
00:31:55,084 --> 00:31:58,485
Speaker 4: Jesus movement. I mean, everyone knows about your role and

573
00:31:58,485 --> 00:32:00,685
Speaker 4: and another fellow we're going to talk about in a moment.

574
00:32:00,725 --> 00:32:03,604
Speaker 4: But but Kay, your wife had a vision or not

575
00:32:03,645 --> 00:32:05,685
Speaker 4: a vision, excuse me, a heart a bird, and I

576
00:32:05,685 --> 00:32:09,844
Speaker 4: should say for these hippie kids, and where you guys lived,

577
00:32:10,805 --> 00:32:12,805
Speaker 4: there would be little, you know, hippi kids that would

578
00:32:12,844 --> 00:32:15,364
Speaker 4: walk back and forth in front of your house, and

579
00:32:15,405 --> 00:32:17,884
Speaker 4: they were on drugs, and she prayed for them. And

580
00:32:17,965 --> 00:32:20,485
Speaker 4: you know what I told her years later, when I

581
00:32:20,525 --> 00:32:22,684
Speaker 4: found out where you lived, I said, Okay, I was

582
00:32:22,725 --> 00:32:26,364
Speaker 4: one of those kids. I literally there was this kid

583
00:32:26,445 --> 00:32:28,325
Speaker 4: that I knew. We used to go get high in

584
00:32:28,365 --> 00:32:31,365
Speaker 4: his house and we would walk right by your house.

585
00:32:31,405 --> 00:32:33,604
Speaker 4: We didn't know who you were, and your wife was

586
00:32:33,645 --> 00:32:38,565
Speaker 4: praying for us, and the Lord gave you this burden.

587
00:32:38,604 --> 00:32:40,205
Speaker 5: But you didn't know any hippies.

588
00:32:40,645 --> 00:32:45,525
Speaker 4: So your daughter Jan met a genuine hippie named John,

589
00:32:46,205 --> 00:32:52,404
Speaker 4: and he hooked you up with the super hippie, Lonnie Frisbee.

590
00:32:52,685 --> 00:32:56,525
Speaker 4: And some people have maybe heard Lonnie's name, And Lonnie

591
00:32:56,565 --> 00:33:00,525
Speaker 4: was an unusual character, never met anyone like him. And

592
00:33:00,604 --> 00:33:02,165
Speaker 4: Lonnie was the guy who was preaching when I came

593
00:33:02,205 --> 00:33:06,205
Speaker 4: to faith on my high school campus. But Lonnie, to

594
00:33:06,245 --> 00:33:08,084
Speaker 4: me in many ways, was sort of like he was

595
00:33:08,205 --> 00:33:10,884
Speaker 4: Nitro to your glycery. You know, the two of you

596
00:33:10,965 --> 00:33:15,845
Speaker 4: were an explosive combination. And I think kids came for Lonnie,

597
00:33:15,885 --> 00:33:19,725
Speaker 4: but they stayed for you. You sustain things, you know,

598
00:33:20,365 --> 00:33:24,124
Speaker 4: because Lonnie came, he had a powerful ministry, and then

599
00:33:24,685 --> 00:33:28,045
Speaker 4: he moved in a different direction. He was only there.

600
00:33:28,125 --> 00:33:29,725
Speaker 4: He was sort of almost like the guy that God

601
00:33:29,844 --> 00:33:33,965
Speaker 4: used to help explode this movement because he was a Christian.

602
00:33:34,005 --> 00:33:38,205
Speaker 4: And so I'm sort of just running ahead, but tell

603
00:33:38,285 --> 00:33:40,685
Speaker 4: us a little bit at your reflections on Lonnie Frisbee

604
00:33:40,685 --> 00:33:43,325
Speaker 4: and the role he played in the Jesus Movement at

605
00:33:43,325 --> 00:33:44,045
Speaker 4: Calviy Chapel.

606
00:33:44,205 --> 00:33:49,925
Speaker 2: Well, of course, as you mentioned our kids, our daughter

607
00:33:50,084 --> 00:33:55,164
Speaker 2: was in her first year of college and our sons

608
00:33:55,205 --> 00:33:57,884
Speaker 2: were both in high school at the time at Harbor High.

609
00:33:58,325 --> 00:34:03,485
Speaker 2: And so it was you know, that's the thing that

610
00:34:03,604 --> 00:34:07,285
Speaker 2: really caused k real time concern because all of these

611
00:34:07,365 --> 00:34:11,125
Speaker 2: hippies in the Syria is such a use of drugs

612
00:34:11,165 --> 00:34:14,205
Speaker 2: and free use of drugs. Of course, the drug of

613
00:34:14,245 --> 00:34:18,085
Speaker 2: the time was acid, and you know, the kids were

614
00:34:18,085 --> 00:34:22,965
Speaker 2: getting high. And of course she just was concerned for

615
00:34:23,045 --> 00:34:27,485
Speaker 2: her own children and just kept saying, you know, we've

616
00:34:27,525 --> 00:34:31,645
Speaker 2: got to reach these kids. They just need the Lord, honey.

617
00:34:31,645 --> 00:34:33,525
Speaker 2: And I said, no, they're dirty hippies, you know, and

618
00:34:36,005 --> 00:34:41,725
Speaker 2: well they need a bath, you know, but she kept,

619
00:34:41,925 --> 00:34:46,005
Speaker 2: you know, pressing. Well, she said we've got to reach

620
00:34:46,045 --> 00:34:50,125
Speaker 2: them somehow. We've got to reach them. And she then

621
00:34:51,885 --> 00:34:57,765
Speaker 2: just well, when Jan started going with John, he wasn't

622
00:34:57,805 --> 00:34:58,325
Speaker 2: a hippiet.

623
00:34:58,325 --> 00:34:59,165
Speaker 3: He straightened up.

624
00:34:59,205 --> 00:35:01,405
Speaker 2: He was going to Bible College and that's where she

625
00:35:01,485 --> 00:35:05,525
Speaker 2: met him, at Southern California College there. And so so

626
00:35:06,805 --> 00:35:09,364
Speaker 2: he was, you know, short hair and cleaned up kid.

627
00:35:09,405 --> 00:35:11,005
Speaker 3: And we didn't know his background.

628
00:35:11,605 --> 00:35:16,165
Speaker 2: But then when we started ready, when Lonnie came in

629
00:35:16,205 --> 00:35:19,245
Speaker 2: and all, then he showed his driver's license and he

630
00:35:19,325 --> 00:35:21,285
Speaker 2: had the long hair beard and the whole thing, and

631
00:35:21,525 --> 00:35:22,565
Speaker 2: we were sort of shocked.

632
00:35:22,565 --> 00:35:28,605
Speaker 3: But he was He was a real soul winner.

633
00:35:28,685 --> 00:35:31,685
Speaker 1: He was really just talking about you know, we're.

634
00:35:31,565 --> 00:35:34,245
Speaker 2: Talking about John John, okay, right, And so John was

635
00:35:35,085 --> 00:35:38,525
Speaker 2: driving down Fairview past Orange Coast College and he saw

636
00:35:38,565 --> 00:35:42,405
Speaker 2: this hippie kid hitch hiking, and whenever he saw them hitchhiking,

637
00:35:42,445 --> 00:35:44,245
Speaker 2: he picked him up so he could witness to them

638
00:35:44,285 --> 00:35:47,605
Speaker 2: about the Lord. And so he picked up this kid

639
00:35:47,725 --> 00:35:49,805
Speaker 2: started to witness to him, and he said, where are

640
00:35:49,805 --> 00:35:50,165
Speaker 2: you're going?

641
00:35:50,285 --> 00:35:51,405
Speaker 3: Is that I'm not going anywhere?

642
00:35:51,445 --> 00:35:53,885
Speaker 2: He said, I just hitchhike so I can witness whoever

643
00:35:53,965 --> 00:35:58,965
Speaker 2: picks me up. And that was Lonnie prison And so

644
00:35:59,685 --> 00:36:02,125
Speaker 2: he said, well, there's a guy that.

645
00:36:03,245 --> 00:36:05,485
Speaker 1: I need to introduce you to, and that's you.

646
00:36:05,565 --> 00:36:06,045
Speaker 3: That was me.

647
00:36:06,205 --> 00:36:09,125
Speaker 2: And so he brought him over to the house, and uh,

648
00:36:09,965 --> 00:36:12,525
Speaker 2: and I opened I heard the doorbell, and I knew

649
00:36:12,565 --> 00:36:14,925
Speaker 2: that John was coming to date my daughter. And I

650
00:36:14,965 --> 00:36:17,605
Speaker 2: went to the door and here's John standing with Lonnie.

651
00:36:17,605 --> 00:36:20,285
Speaker 2: And of course he reached out his hand, and you know,

652
00:36:20,365 --> 00:36:23,005
Speaker 2: it introduced me. And he reached out his hand, firm grip,

653
00:36:23,085 --> 00:36:25,965
Speaker 2: and and you know, he had a charisma. He got

654
00:36:26,005 --> 00:36:29,045
Speaker 2: to him, you know. And and so we invited him

655
00:36:29,045 --> 00:36:32,845
Speaker 2: in and we sat down and talked and uh. He

656
00:36:33,005 --> 00:36:36,245
Speaker 2: actually then moved into the house and was living there

657
00:36:36,285 --> 00:36:38,245
Speaker 2: for a couple of weeks and he'd bring kids over

658
00:36:38,245 --> 00:36:41,365
Speaker 2: to baptize them in our dough boy pool in the backyard.

659
00:36:41,485 --> 00:36:44,285
Speaker 4: So Lonnie's living in your house and then you introduced

660
00:36:44,325 --> 00:36:46,845
Speaker 4: him to your Now I know your congregation, Coby Choppel.

661
00:36:47,205 --> 00:36:49,844
Speaker 4: You were doing a series on the End Times and

662
00:36:50,125 --> 00:36:53,445
Speaker 4: it was growing, and you bring Lonnie in and you

663
00:36:53,565 --> 00:36:56,565
Speaker 4: have him share with his wife, Connie, and now kids

664
00:36:56,565 --> 00:36:59,485
Speaker 4: are coming to the young hippies are coming to Covey Choppel.

665
00:36:59,485 --> 00:37:02,325
Speaker 4: This is something nobody else was doing because you yourself

666
00:37:02,325 --> 00:37:05,325
Speaker 4: have been very candid about the fact that you were,

667
00:37:05,605 --> 00:37:08,725
Speaker 4: you know, resistant of first the dirty hippies, but you

668
00:37:08,765 --> 00:37:11,605
Speaker 4: opened your heart, you overcame your prejudices. You let the

669
00:37:11,725 --> 00:37:12,205
Speaker 4: kids in.

670
00:37:12,685 --> 00:37:13,405
Speaker 5: They're producing.

671
00:37:13,445 --> 00:37:17,165
Speaker 4: These crazy kids show up with guitars and they've written

672
00:37:17,205 --> 00:37:19,485
Speaker 4: these songs. One of them was serving time in jail

673
00:37:19,565 --> 00:37:23,365
Speaker 4: on the weekend, and they called themselves love Song Song, right,

674
00:37:23,565 --> 00:37:25,765
Speaker 4: and you let them go on the platform and sing

675
00:37:25,765 --> 00:37:30,525
Speaker 4: for your congregations. And what was happening was an explosion,

676
00:37:31,325 --> 00:37:34,445
Speaker 4: you know, where a whole new genre of music was

677
00:37:34,485 --> 00:37:39,245
Speaker 4: being born. Really contemporary Christian music, contemporary praise and worship

678
00:37:39,445 --> 00:37:42,405
Speaker 4: was about to be born in the wake of that.

679
00:37:42,565 --> 00:37:47,245
Speaker 4: So Calvary Choppel just it wasn't overnight, wasn't no, no.

680
00:37:48,325 --> 00:37:48,965
Speaker 5: When would you.

681
00:37:48,925 --> 00:37:51,565
Speaker 4: Pinpoint it historically, like what year when you said you

682
00:37:51,605 --> 00:37:53,445
Speaker 4: would say this is when it was really starting to

683
00:37:53,485 --> 00:37:54,005
Speaker 4: take off.

684
00:37:54,885 --> 00:38:00,125
Speaker 2: Well, actually about in nineteen seventy, I would say that

685
00:38:01,325 --> 00:38:05,205
Speaker 2: we had to move our little church on Church Street

686
00:38:05,245 --> 00:38:09,085
Speaker 2: and go to Mesa. We outgrew it, so we had

687
00:38:09,125 --> 00:38:12,245
Speaker 2: to find another place to have services.

688
00:38:12,285 --> 00:38:12,645
Speaker 3: And so.

689
00:38:14,605 --> 00:38:21,125
Speaker 2: We actually thought that we were going to get a

690
00:38:21,165 --> 00:38:26,285
Speaker 2: lot over on Church Street from Theodore robbins Ford.

691
00:38:26,325 --> 00:38:27,884
Speaker 3: There they had an extra lot.

692
00:38:27,965 --> 00:38:30,845
Speaker 2: We were going to buy it and build our church there,

693
00:38:31,365 --> 00:38:35,365
Speaker 2: and so we went to the city and they looked

694
00:38:35,365 --> 00:38:37,485
Speaker 2: at the plans and said, oh, this looks good. But

695
00:38:37,565 --> 00:38:41,325
Speaker 2: then when we went before the Planning Commission, they said, well,

696
00:38:41,365 --> 00:38:44,485
Speaker 2: you don't have enough parking, and so you know, you've

697
00:38:44,485 --> 00:38:49,045
Speaker 2: got to provide off street parking. And so the neighbors

698
00:38:49,405 --> 00:38:52,365
Speaker 2: that were there, when they heard that, the prices of

699
00:38:52,405 --> 00:38:55,364
Speaker 2: their lots or their houses all went up, and so

700
00:38:55,925 --> 00:38:58,285
Speaker 2: we just couldn't afford it, and so we just had

701
00:38:58,285 --> 00:39:00,765
Speaker 2: to back out of that one. But in the meantime,

702
00:39:00,805 --> 00:39:03,605
Speaker 2: we'd sold our little church on Church Street, and so

703
00:39:04,325 --> 00:39:08,045
Speaker 2: we had to figure out a place to move. And

704
00:39:08,125 --> 00:39:11,765
Speaker 2: so we knew that the Lutheran Church on the Bluff

705
00:39:12,325 --> 00:39:16,925
Speaker 2: was actually going to build a new church, and so

706
00:39:17,045 --> 00:39:20,205
Speaker 2: we went down to the pastor and we made arrangements.

707
00:39:20,805 --> 00:39:22,925
Speaker 2: The state had bought they were going to put a

708
00:39:22,965 --> 00:39:25,325
Speaker 2: freeway through there, and the state had bought the property,

709
00:39:25,845 --> 00:39:29,285
Speaker 2: and so they we knew they were going to move,

710
00:39:29,285 --> 00:39:31,965
Speaker 2: and so we made arrangements with the state and with

711
00:39:32,085 --> 00:39:34,325
Speaker 2: them that when they moved out, at least we could

712
00:39:34,365 --> 00:39:37,005
Speaker 2: move in for a little while until the property was

713
00:39:37,845 --> 00:39:40,605
Speaker 2: you know, used for the freeway they were going to

714
00:39:40,605 --> 00:39:44,885
Speaker 2: put down below on Pacific Coast Highway, and so it

715
00:39:45,005 --> 00:39:47,085
Speaker 2: was an interesting thing because.

716
00:39:47,965 --> 00:39:49,205
Speaker 1: We were going to use.

717
00:39:49,925 --> 00:39:53,685
Speaker 2: In the meantime, of course, we had to move, and

718
00:39:53,725 --> 00:39:57,525
Speaker 2: so we made arrangements for the Lutheran Church to meet

719
00:39:57,605 --> 00:39:59,765
Speaker 2: in the afternoons on Sunday.

720
00:40:00,285 --> 00:40:01,885
Speaker 3: And so, as.

721
00:40:03,205 --> 00:40:06,245
Speaker 2: Dwight Moody said, never have Sunday afternoon meetings. The people

722
00:40:06,285 --> 00:40:09,165
Speaker 2: are full of beef and unbelief, and you know, it's

723
00:40:09,285 --> 00:40:11,605
Speaker 2: just not a good time to have a meeting. So

724
00:40:12,325 --> 00:40:15,485
Speaker 2: we thought, well, you know, we've been growing and the

725
00:40:15,525 --> 00:40:20,365
Speaker 2: Lord's been blessing, and so if we can just maintain

726
00:40:21,845 --> 00:40:24,525
Speaker 2: during this time, that until the Lutherans moved out and

727
00:40:24,525 --> 00:40:28,085
Speaker 2: we could take over the building completely, if we just maintain,

728
00:40:28,205 --> 00:40:31,005
Speaker 2: and then when we could go back to regular services,

729
00:40:31,285 --> 00:40:35,605
Speaker 2: we can you know, start expanding again. But while we

730
00:40:35,645 --> 00:40:38,965
Speaker 2: were there in the Lutheran Church, we actually began to

731
00:40:39,045 --> 00:40:42,845
Speaker 2: outgrow it and people were sitting in the choir loft

732
00:40:42,925 --> 00:40:46,605
Speaker 2: upstairs and so forth. And so it was at that

733
00:40:46,805 --> 00:40:51,925
Speaker 2: time that we bought the little Country Church, a little

734
00:40:51,925 --> 00:40:56,285
Speaker 2: country school out in Greenville and right off of Fairview,

735
00:40:56,765 --> 00:41:00,844
Speaker 2: and that's you know, we started then building our own

736
00:41:00,925 --> 00:41:04,965
Speaker 2: church because we didn't have room in the Lutheran church anymore.

737
00:41:05,085 --> 00:41:07,725
Speaker 3: So that's where we that's when I came.

738
00:41:07,765 --> 00:41:10,165
Speaker 4: I came in nineteen seventy and I walked into that

739
00:41:10,205 --> 00:41:14,445
Speaker 4: little country church that's made him been immortal by that

740
00:41:14,645 --> 00:41:19,205
Speaker 4: song that we all know. So by nineteen seventy two,

741
00:41:19,285 --> 00:41:22,405
Speaker 4: critics were saying, well, this whole Jesus movement is over with,

742
00:41:23,125 --> 00:41:25,965
Speaker 4: but it was just getting started. Because now, sort of

743
00:41:25,965 --> 00:41:27,725
Speaker 4: like a set of waves, we had the first wave,

744
00:41:28,245 --> 00:41:31,925
Speaker 4: the explosion at your church, a whole new kind of music,

745
00:41:32,525 --> 00:41:34,884
Speaker 4: praise and worship chorus as well. Guess what, a bunch

746
00:41:34,885 --> 00:41:38,325
Speaker 4: of guys are getting saved and they're feeling called to

747
00:41:38,325 --> 00:41:41,085
Speaker 4: serve the Lord. So a guy named Roll Reese, who's

748
00:41:42,245 --> 00:41:45,885
Speaker 4: martial arts expert, goes and starts a Bible study in

749
00:41:45,965 --> 00:41:49,685
Speaker 4: his dojo where he's teaching students. A guy named Jeff

750
00:41:49,765 --> 00:41:52,805
Speaker 4: Johnson goes up to Downey, another guy named Mike McIntosh

751
00:41:52,845 --> 00:41:57,365
Speaker 4: goes down to San Diego, Steve Mays off to South Bay,

752
00:41:58,125 --> 00:42:00,924
Speaker 4: and on the list goes and I went off to Riverside.

753
00:42:01,325 --> 00:42:03,885
Speaker 4: And you know, some time when these little Bible studies

754
00:42:03,925 --> 00:42:08,565
Speaker 4: grew and before you know it, we have churches sprouting up,

755
00:42:08,645 --> 00:42:11,925
Speaker 4: and next thing you know, they're big churches. And next

756
00:42:11,965 --> 00:42:14,965
Speaker 4: thing you know, there's thirty, there's forty, there's one hundred,

757
00:42:14,965 --> 00:42:18,245
Speaker 4: there's two hundred. Now there's fourteen hundred churches.

758
00:42:18,525 --> 00:42:20,005
Speaker 3: And that is in the US.

759
00:42:20,125 --> 00:42:22,045
Speaker 2: Of course, when you look at the missions, it just

760
00:42:22,325 --> 00:42:24,045
Speaker 2: even more, even much more.

761
00:42:24,805 --> 00:42:28,725
Speaker 4: Let's shift gears, Chuck, and talk about some personal things.

762
00:42:28,765 --> 00:42:29,045
Speaker 3: Now.

763
00:42:29,925 --> 00:42:32,765
Speaker 4: You recently disclose that you have cancer and your right lung.

764
00:42:33,485 --> 00:42:35,965
Speaker 5: And I remember hearing.

765
00:42:35,685 --> 00:42:37,885
Speaker 4: You say this. We had the discussion on the Saturday

766
00:42:37,925 --> 00:42:42,565
Speaker 4: before and you told your congregation at Calvary that you

767
00:42:42,605 --> 00:42:46,685
Speaker 4: have perfect peace. Oh yes, as you revealed this and

768
00:42:46,725 --> 00:42:48,645
Speaker 4: what you said, and quoting it, I'm sure you could

769
00:42:48,645 --> 00:42:51,365
Speaker 4: say it again. But you said, no fear, no concern.

770
00:42:51,885 --> 00:42:53,845
Speaker 4: The Lord's going to take care of it, whatever it is.

771
00:42:53,885 --> 00:42:56,404
Speaker 4: The worst thing that could happen is I could die.

772
00:42:56,805 --> 00:42:59,445
Speaker 4: But that's not so bad being a child of the Lord.

773
00:42:59,685 --> 00:43:01,765
Speaker 3: You bet you you believe that. I believe that.

774
00:43:02,165 --> 00:43:03,605
Speaker 5: Tell what is that perfect peace?

775
00:43:04,725 --> 00:43:08,605
Speaker 3: Well know you can't. How can you explain it?

776
00:43:08,645 --> 00:43:10,485
Speaker 5: A piece of passes understand that's.

777
00:43:10,405 --> 00:43:14,525
Speaker 2: Right and passes description? You know you don't. You can't

778
00:43:14,605 --> 00:43:16,605
Speaker 2: understand it yourself. But you just know you have it.

779
00:43:17,045 --> 00:43:20,725
Speaker 2: And uh, it's just comes by commitment to the Lord.

780
00:43:20,765 --> 00:43:23,325
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just all in his hands. And so

781
00:43:23,405 --> 00:43:27,045
Speaker 2: you know that he's watching over and whatever he wants,

782
00:43:27,125 --> 00:43:28,485
Speaker 2: you know, that's best.

783
00:43:28,285 --> 00:43:30,245
Speaker 3: For me, and so that's what I want.

784
00:43:30,485 --> 00:43:34,725
Speaker 4: Do you ever have doubts, Chuck, just about why is

785
00:43:34,765 --> 00:43:38,605
Speaker 4: this happening? This isn't right? Or no, no way are you?

786
00:43:38,965 --> 00:43:39,885
Speaker 4: Do you have fears?

787
00:43:40,085 --> 00:43:40,645
Speaker 3: No fears.

788
00:43:41,725 --> 00:43:44,525
Speaker 5: You don't ever have things that frighten you. No boom,

789
00:43:45,085 --> 00:43:45,685
Speaker 5: it didn't.

790
00:43:45,445 --> 00:43:51,725
Speaker 4: Work, Chuck. You're the thing is knowing, Chuck. I believe

791
00:43:51,725 --> 00:43:56,245
Speaker 4: what he's saying because he lives what he says. You know,

792
00:43:56,325 --> 00:43:58,045
Speaker 4: you're you've been a model in running the race of

793
00:43:58,125 --> 00:44:03,125
Speaker 4: life and uh you I you know we've seen you

794
00:44:03,165 --> 00:44:06,245
Speaker 4: start to race. We've talked about that tonight. Maybe middle

795
00:44:06,285 --> 00:44:09,844
Speaker 4: point somewhere around the Jesus movement, and now you know

796
00:44:09,885 --> 00:44:12,805
Speaker 4: you're coming to a point in life where the Lord

797
00:44:12,845 --> 00:44:15,605
Speaker 4: may give you many more years. We don't know, maybe not,

798
00:44:16,245 --> 00:44:20,325
Speaker 4: but you're coming to where you're thinking about finishing the race.

799
00:44:20,485 --> 00:44:20,645
Speaker 3: Yes.

800
00:44:22,525 --> 00:44:26,245
Speaker 4: Billy Grahama's asked the question in an interview. If you

801
00:44:26,325 --> 00:44:30,885
Speaker 4: were to do things over again, would you do it differently?

802
00:44:31,005 --> 00:44:33,884
Speaker 4: He said, yes, I would study more, I would pray more,

803
00:44:33,965 --> 00:44:37,005
Speaker 4: I would travel less, take less speaking engagements. If I

804
00:44:37,045 --> 00:44:38,884
Speaker 4: had it to do over again, I'd spend more time

805
00:44:38,925 --> 00:44:41,645
Speaker 4: in meditation and prayer, just telling the Lord how much

806
00:44:41,765 --> 00:44:43,964
Speaker 4: I love him and I'm looking forward to the time

807
00:44:43,965 --> 00:44:47,285
Speaker 4: that we're going to spend together for eternity. Chuck, if

808
00:44:47,325 --> 00:44:50,405
Speaker 4: you were going to do things over again, would you

809
00:44:50,445 --> 00:44:51,405
Speaker 4: do anything differently?

810
00:44:52,245 --> 00:44:52,565
Speaker 1: Greg?

811
00:44:52,685 --> 00:44:55,844
Speaker 2: I think that the Lord had charge of the whole thing,

812
00:44:55,925 --> 00:45:11,285
Speaker 2: and so I want to try and improve on his program.

813
00:45:11,325 --> 00:45:17,925
Speaker 4: What has been the best decision of your life marrying Key?

814
00:45:18,765 --> 00:45:23,405
Speaker 4: I thought you would say that, what's the greatest regret

815
00:45:23,485 --> 00:45:24,005
Speaker 4: of your life?

816
00:45:25,965 --> 00:45:32,445
Speaker 5: Meeting Greg? Coming here tonight with Greg.

817
00:45:35,845 --> 00:45:46,245
Speaker 2: Greatest regret? I can't think of anything off hand. What's

818
00:45:46,285 --> 00:45:47,925
Speaker 2: your most embarrassing moment.

819
00:45:49,245 --> 00:45:51,685
Speaker 3: I've had that?

820
00:45:52,085 --> 00:45:53,005
Speaker 5: What comes to mind?

821
00:45:53,085 --> 00:45:58,884
Speaker 2: Well, I was in New Guinea speaking for missionaries in

822
00:45:58,925 --> 00:46:06,205
Speaker 2: they're in New Guinea, and we had it to pastor

823
00:46:06,245 --> 00:46:11,085
Speaker 2: at Calrie Chapel called Romayne. Yes, And Romayne had a

824
00:46:11,125 --> 00:46:14,685
Speaker 2: favorite kind of saying, you know that he was just

825
00:46:14,805 --> 00:46:18,045
Speaker 2: blessed out of his gorg Yes, I say that, yeah,

826
00:46:18,085 --> 00:46:23,165
Speaker 2: And so I was with these missionaries over there in

827
00:46:23,605 --> 00:46:30,445
Speaker 2: New Guinea, and so I was sort of closing up

828
00:46:30,485 --> 00:46:32,605
Speaker 2: and telling them what a blessing it was to be

829
00:46:32,725 --> 00:46:35,005
Speaker 2: with them that week and be teaching the word and

830
00:46:35,645 --> 00:46:38,924
Speaker 2: all and just the wonderful time that we'd had there.

831
00:46:39,165 --> 00:46:41,365
Speaker 2: And I said, I've just been blessed out of my gourd.

832
00:46:41,845 --> 00:46:46,045
Speaker 2: And I didn't realize until they all broke up and

833
00:46:46,205 --> 00:46:51,525
Speaker 2: I lost them, because they're the new Guinea natives.

834
00:46:51,805 --> 00:46:54,325
Speaker 3: Were these gours over their private parts.

835
00:46:55,245 --> 00:46:57,045
Speaker 5: You don't want to be blessed out of that, you know.

836
00:46:58,285 --> 00:46:59,525
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's great.

837
00:47:01,965 --> 00:47:04,765
Speaker 2: But it hit me, you know, because i'd seen pictures

838
00:47:05,085 --> 00:47:09,404
Speaker 2: and I thought, come by, that's the worst boot pray

839
00:47:09,605 --> 00:47:10,445
Speaker 2: I ever made.

840
00:47:10,485 --> 00:47:14,965
Speaker 4: You know, that's the worse. It's not too bad. Do

841
00:47:15,045 --> 00:47:16,444
Speaker 4: you remember your first sermon, Chuck?

842
00:47:16,925 --> 00:47:17,405
Speaker 3: Yes, I do.

843
00:47:18,085 --> 00:47:18,925
Speaker 4: What did you preach on?

844
00:47:19,605 --> 00:47:21,765
Speaker 2: Well, I preach on if any man will come after me,

845
00:47:21,885 --> 00:47:24,765
Speaker 2: let him deny himself, take up his cross and follow me.

846
00:47:26,245 --> 00:47:28,885
Speaker 4: If you were going to give one last sermon, what

847
00:47:28,925 --> 00:47:29,525
Speaker 4: would it be on?

848
00:47:32,805 --> 00:47:37,125
Speaker 2: I think it would probably be on just preparedness because

849
00:47:37,165 --> 00:47:38,325
Speaker 2: the Lord is coming soon.

850
00:47:38,725 --> 00:47:41,725
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you've been preaching that for years. Yes, that

851
00:47:41,805 --> 00:47:44,165
Speaker 4: means you've been preaching your last sermon for years. In

852
00:47:44,245 --> 00:47:46,245
Speaker 4: varying ways, not that you're saying the same thing, but

853
00:47:46,445 --> 00:47:49,085
Speaker 4: that Sunday. Yeah, but you But you've returned to this

854
00:47:49,165 --> 00:47:52,245
Speaker 4: theme over and over again, the return of Christ. Why

855
00:47:52,245 --> 00:47:54,485
Speaker 4: has that been such an important theme to you when

856
00:47:54,485 --> 00:47:57,405
Speaker 4: you're preaching over the years, telling people that Jesus is

857
00:47:57,405 --> 00:47:58,285
Speaker 4: coming back again.

858
00:47:58,365 --> 00:48:03,045
Speaker 2: Well, I think that actually there's sort of three things

859
00:48:03,045 --> 00:48:06,525
Speaker 2: that it does. I think that first of all, it

860
00:48:06,525 --> 00:48:11,925
Speaker 2: gives us sort of a proper perspective concerning life. In

861
00:48:11,965 --> 00:48:17,485
Speaker 2: other words, we don't have much time, and so we

862
00:48:17,565 --> 00:48:20,925
Speaker 2: need to use the time that we have wisely. And

863
00:48:21,005 --> 00:48:23,565
Speaker 2: so I think that it keeps us sort of, you know,

864
00:48:24,845 --> 00:48:29,805
Speaker 2: on that path of just using the time wisely, because

865
00:48:30,245 --> 00:48:33,645
Speaker 2: you know, I don't have that much time. And so

866
00:48:33,805 --> 00:48:37,085
Speaker 2: I think that that's one of the real.

867
00:48:39,125 --> 00:48:39,405
Speaker 3: Things.

868
00:48:39,405 --> 00:48:40,725
Speaker 1: That is a real impent.

869
00:48:42,685 --> 00:48:46,884
Speaker 3: I can't say the word, but impetus.

870
00:48:46,325 --> 00:48:49,325
Speaker 6: To it, impetus to the way you live, right, And

871
00:48:49,405 --> 00:48:55,445
Speaker 6: so so that's number one. That's number one. Number two is, well,

872
00:48:55,965 --> 00:48:58,405
Speaker 6: we have only one life and it will soon be pasture,

873
00:48:58,605 --> 00:49:01,205
Speaker 6: and only what's done for Christ will last. And so

874
00:49:01,925 --> 00:49:05,845
Speaker 6: looking at the eternal and realizing the value of the

875
00:49:05,925 --> 00:49:10,405
Speaker 6: eternal over the temporal. And I think that that again,

876
00:49:11,925 --> 00:49:14,045
Speaker 6: you know, we need to be ready for our lord

877
00:49:14,085 --> 00:49:16,685
Speaker 6: when he comes. And then I think that Jesus did

878
00:49:16,965 --> 00:49:23,325
Speaker 6: warn the disciples, and it's in the scriptures that bewareless

879
00:49:23,365 --> 00:49:27,765
Speaker 6: that day catches you unaware, you know, and the importance

880
00:49:27,805 --> 00:49:30,845
Speaker 6: of being ready at any time because we don't know

881
00:49:31,205 --> 00:49:34,245
Speaker 6: when he's coming. And he just left us with that,

882
00:49:35,285 --> 00:49:38,765
Speaker 6: you know, commission really to just be watchful and be

883
00:49:38,845 --> 00:49:40,844
Speaker 6: ready because you don't know the day or the hour

884
00:49:41,165 --> 00:49:42,485
Speaker 6: that the Sun ofment is coming.

885
00:49:42,565 --> 00:49:45,405
Speaker 4: And I've heard you say many times also that you

886
00:49:45,445 --> 00:49:48,005
Speaker 4: know it impacts the way that we live. That has

887
00:49:48,045 --> 00:49:51,245
Speaker 4: to so purifies himself, even as he is pure, is

888
00:49:51,285 --> 00:49:53,925
Speaker 4: a purifying effect on our life as well. Let me

889
00:49:53,965 --> 00:49:56,565
Speaker 4: ask you some of the really important questions now that

890
00:49:56,645 --> 00:50:01,085
Speaker 4: are burning on everyone's I think mind right now, Chuck Smith,

891
00:50:01,645 --> 00:50:02,805
Speaker 4: what is your favorite color?

892
00:50:05,485 --> 00:50:06,885
Speaker 3: It all depends on what you're talking about.

893
00:50:08,165 --> 00:50:11,765
Speaker 2: If you're doing about eyes, my wife has the most

894
00:50:11,805 --> 00:50:14,965
Speaker 2: beautiful blue eyes, and so blue would be the favorite.

895
00:50:14,645 --> 00:50:15,685
Speaker 3: Color for eyes.

896
00:50:16,525 --> 00:50:19,125
Speaker 2: Talk about lips, well, I don't think blue would be

897
00:50:19,205 --> 00:50:19,765
Speaker 2: my favorite.

898
00:50:20,725 --> 00:50:23,645
Speaker 4: Lets are very cold, and hair is not so good

899
00:50:23,685 --> 00:50:27,485
Speaker 4: either blue hair. So, but you like blue?

900
00:50:27,765 --> 00:50:28,045
Speaker 3: Yes?

901
00:50:28,085 --> 00:50:29,285
Speaker 5: What's your favorite kind of food?

902
00:50:30,405 --> 00:50:34,685
Speaker 3: Oh? My rack of Lamb, oh.

903
00:50:34,725 --> 00:50:35,405
Speaker 4: Rack of Lamb?

904
00:50:35,485 --> 00:50:35,925
Speaker 3: Yeah?

905
00:50:36,285 --> 00:50:38,485
Speaker 4: Nice? What's your favorite song?

906
00:50:40,125 --> 00:50:41,005
Speaker 3: The Love of God?

907
00:50:43,085 --> 00:50:43,605
Speaker 4: How's that go?

908
00:50:44,085 --> 00:50:46,725
Speaker 2: The love of God is greater, far than tongue or

909
00:50:46,765 --> 00:50:49,965
Speaker 2: pen can ever tell the Love of God? Yes, right,

910
00:50:50,125 --> 00:50:52,964
Speaker 2: goes beyond the highest darn, reaches to the lowest tale.

911
00:50:53,085 --> 00:50:54,245
Speaker 5: Why is that your favorite song?

912
00:50:54,565 --> 00:50:57,085
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's probably the first song I sang

913
00:50:57,125 --> 00:50:59,285
Speaker 2: as a solo in church when as a kid.

914
00:50:59,965 --> 00:51:02,685
Speaker 3: Oh, I was fourteen? Nice.

915
00:51:03,045 --> 00:51:04,965
Speaker 4: What is your favorite flower?

916
00:51:06,325 --> 00:51:06,885
Speaker 3: Roses?

917
00:51:07,125 --> 00:51:07,845
Speaker 4: You like roses?

918
00:51:07,885 --> 00:51:08,165
Speaker 3: Yes?

919
00:51:08,205 --> 00:51:09,805
Speaker 4: What about do you have a favorite bird?

920
00:51:10,565 --> 00:51:14,085
Speaker 3: Yes? I like Well, there's a couple, probably blue Jay

921
00:51:14,085 --> 00:51:14,765
Speaker 3: in the middle arc.

922
00:51:14,925 --> 00:51:18,605
Speaker 5: I hate seagulls. Do you like seagulls?

923
00:51:19,485 --> 00:51:20,565
Speaker 4: Well, they steal your.

924
00:51:20,485 --> 00:51:23,725
Speaker 1: Lunch that's growing up at Harbor Eye.

925
00:51:23,765 --> 00:51:28,685
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. What natural gift would you have liked

926
00:51:28,685 --> 00:51:30,925
Speaker 4: to possess? I mean, you want to be a doctor.

927
00:51:31,445 --> 00:51:34,165
Speaker 4: You ended up as a pastor teacher. Is that you

928
00:51:34,165 --> 00:51:36,605
Speaker 4: have ever thought? Man, I wish I could have done this?

929
00:51:37,765 --> 00:51:38,045
Speaker 3: Well.

930
00:51:38,165 --> 00:51:43,045
Speaker 2: I really admire musicians, and you know, I would like

931
00:51:43,085 --> 00:51:47,645
Speaker 2: to have had, you know, probably the gift like Dennis

932
00:51:47,685 --> 00:51:50,565
Speaker 2: of playing in the guitar and uh, you know, I like,

933
00:51:50,765 --> 00:51:54,844
Speaker 2: I like music and I would like to have been

934
00:51:55,045 --> 00:51:57,844
Speaker 2: proficient in an instrument, you know.

935
00:51:57,845 --> 00:51:59,765
Speaker 4: I would like I've always thought I wish I could

936
00:51:59,805 --> 00:52:03,285
Speaker 4: play guitar. Maybe in heaven we'll both have like like

937
00:52:03,405 --> 00:52:06,924
Speaker 4: Elvis hare and we'll be rocking out and guitar. It'd

938
00:52:06,925 --> 00:52:07,884
Speaker 4: be fun, it'd be fine.

939
00:52:11,485 --> 00:52:12,485
Speaker 5: Who are your heroes?

940
00:52:13,405 --> 00:52:15,725
Speaker 3: Oh, Billy Graham definitely is one of my heroes.

941
00:52:15,845 --> 00:52:17,525
Speaker 5: You've gotten to know Billy Graham.

942
00:52:17,965 --> 00:52:19,245
Speaker 3: I've had that privilege.

943
00:52:19,285 --> 00:52:23,405
Speaker 4: Jests he had great ohass. I've heard him say, Billy

944
00:52:24,405 --> 00:52:28,445
Speaker 4: speak of you many times, of just his admiration for

945
00:52:28,485 --> 00:52:32,405
Speaker 4: you and the work that God gave to you. And

946
00:52:32,725 --> 00:52:35,445
Speaker 4: he really thinks very highly of you. So I know

947
00:52:35,525 --> 00:52:38,565
Speaker 4: it's a mutual feed. I remember you telling the story

948
00:52:38,725 --> 00:52:41,165
Speaker 4: of we were having lunch, you and I am Franklin

949
00:52:41,605 --> 00:52:44,205
Speaker 4: his son, and Jonathan my son, and you told the

950
00:52:44,245 --> 00:52:46,045
Speaker 4: story of when you went and heard Billy Graham for

951
00:52:46,085 --> 00:52:48,525
Speaker 4: the first time had a Youth for Christ meeting, and

952
00:52:48,565 --> 00:52:51,125
Speaker 4: he wasn't as well known as he was to become

953
00:52:51,205 --> 00:52:53,925
Speaker 4: later when he did his tent meeting in Los Angeles

954
00:52:54,045 --> 00:52:57,445
Speaker 4: nineteen forty nine. But you even remembered his sermon, that's right.

955
00:52:57,805 --> 00:52:58,685
Speaker 5: What did he preach on?

956
00:52:58,965 --> 00:53:01,725
Speaker 2: Well, actually it was at Anaheim High School, and it

957
00:53:01,845 --> 00:53:05,285
Speaker 2: was a youth for Christ on his Saturday night and he.

958
00:53:05,885 --> 00:53:08,125
Speaker 3: Uh agennahe'm high school, Yeah, at.

959
00:53:08,045 --> 00:53:12,165
Speaker 2: The auditorium there, and he was saying, you know that

960
00:53:13,085 --> 00:53:18,165
Speaker 2: Hitler raised the swastika, and thousands of German youth marched

961
00:53:18,245 --> 00:53:22,205
Speaker 2: under the swastika, many of them to their death. But

962
00:53:22,285 --> 00:53:26,685
Speaker 2: those that died for Hitler died in vain. And Stalin

963
00:53:26,845 --> 00:53:30,525
Speaker 2: raised the hammer and sickle, and millions of Russian youth

964
00:53:30,885 --> 00:53:33,884
Speaker 2: marched under the banner of the hammer and sickle, many

965
00:53:33,965 --> 00:53:37,205
Speaker 2: to their death. But those that died, you know, under

966
00:53:37,245 --> 00:53:39,005
Speaker 2: the hammer and sickle, died in vain.

967
00:53:39,565 --> 00:53:39,924
Speaker 3: He said.

968
00:53:40,005 --> 00:53:43,565
Speaker 2: Jesus raised the cross, and he said, through the years,

969
00:53:43,605 --> 00:53:47,205
Speaker 2: thousands of young people have watched or have marched under

970
00:53:47,245 --> 00:53:49,965
Speaker 2: the banner of the cross, many of them to their death.

971
00:53:50,245 --> 00:53:53,364
Speaker 2: But those who died for Christ never died in vain.

972
00:53:53,805 --> 00:53:55,965
Speaker 2: And that really stuck in my mind.

973
00:53:55,725 --> 00:53:58,125
Speaker 5: That preach, wouldn't it good?

974
00:53:58,445 --> 00:54:00,205
Speaker 1: That's good stuff, good stuff.

975
00:54:00,525 --> 00:54:02,045
Speaker 5: How do you want to be remembered, Chuck?

976
00:54:03,525 --> 00:54:05,765
Speaker 2: Just as one who loves the Word of God and

977
00:54:05,885 --> 00:54:07,445
Speaker 2: loves the people have gone.

978
00:54:07,565 --> 00:54:09,404
Speaker 5: Man, and you are known for that now.

979
00:54:10,805 --> 00:54:21,205
Speaker 4: So you're already there straight word on now Chuck. Well, Chuck,

980
00:54:22,445 --> 00:54:25,165
Speaker 4: you mentioned you like to sing, and maybe you can't

981
00:54:25,165 --> 00:54:27,765
Speaker 4: play guitar, but you can belt a tune, that's for sure.

982
00:54:28,405 --> 00:54:31,845
Speaker 4: And I've asked Dennis Egajanian to come out here and

983
00:54:32,165 --> 00:54:35,205
Speaker 4: play guitar, and we're going to have you sing a song.

984
00:54:35,325 --> 00:54:37,005
Speaker 4: All right, Well you want to hear Chuck Smith sing

985
00:54:37,045 --> 00:54:37,404
Speaker 4: a song.

986
00:54:39,765 --> 00:54:51,405
Speaker 3: It's just a little bit, I don't I love. The

987
00:54:51,565 --> 00:54:52,885
Speaker 3: love of God.

988
00:54:54,565 --> 00:54:56,405
Speaker 1: Is greater fun.

989
00:54:58,165 --> 00:55:05,485
Speaker 7: Then tongue or pen can ever tell. It goes beyond

990
00:55:07,485 --> 00:55:15,285
Speaker 7: the highest star and reaches to the lowest hell.

991
00:55:17,285 --> 00:55:22,045
Speaker 3: The guilty bear about down with care.

992
00:55:23,845 --> 00:55:27,965
Speaker 1: God gave his son to win.

993
00:55:29,885 --> 00:55:31,285
Speaker 4: His erring child.

994
00:55:32,725 --> 00:55:43,325
Speaker 7: He reconcile and pardon from is all love of God?

995
00:55:45,365 --> 00:55:52,565
Speaker 7: How rich help you, how mazure less and strong?

996
00:55:54,245 --> 00:56:00,085
Speaker 1: It shall forever.

997
00:55:57,845 --> 00:55:59,765
Speaker 3: More indul.

998
00:56:01,205 --> 00:56:05,485
Speaker 7: The saints Andy Jills.

999
00:56:07,885 --> 00:56:09,165
Speaker 3: Could we within.

1000
00:56:10,765 --> 00:56:20,085
Speaker 7: The ocean spill and we're the skies of parchment made,

1001
00:56:20,405 --> 00:56:30,605
Speaker 7: we're every blade of grass equill, and every man ascribe

1002
00:56:30,685 --> 00:56:37,845
Speaker 7: by train to write the lawn I've got a bone

1003
00:56:39,605 --> 00:56:43,405
Speaker 7: would rain the old ocean strike?

1004
00:56:45,205 --> 00:56:47,445
Speaker 4: Nor could the scroll.

1005
00:56:48,245 --> 00:56:50,045
Speaker 1: Contain the hole.

1006
00:56:51,645 --> 00:57:10,725
Speaker 7: Those stretched from sky to sky.

1007
00:57:13,045 --> 00:57:20,925
Speaker 4: Fantastic Chuck anything. As we close tonight, I'd like to

1008
00:57:20,965 --> 00:57:23,525
Speaker 4: ask you to pray for us as we enter into

1009
00:57:23,565 --> 00:57:27,005
Speaker 4: this new year really would mean a lot to all

1010
00:57:27,045 --> 00:57:29,685
Speaker 4: of us. We don't know what challenges we're going to face.

1011
00:57:30,485 --> 00:57:33,165
Speaker 4: We've heard about your life and the twists and turns,

1012
00:57:33,205 --> 00:57:36,005
Speaker 4: the highs, the lows. But the love of God, as

1013
00:57:36,045 --> 00:57:39,525
Speaker 4: you've just sung, is always been there and you've always

1014
00:57:39,605 --> 00:57:44,565
Speaker 4: trusted in Him. But any final thought of something you

1015
00:57:44,565 --> 00:57:47,885
Speaker 4: would like to say to us about serving the Lord,

1016
00:57:47,965 --> 00:57:50,325
Speaker 4: following the Lord, that is really important to you.

1017
00:57:51,685 --> 00:57:56,085
Speaker 2: We are living in a rapidly changing world. We don't

1018
00:57:56,125 --> 00:57:58,125
Speaker 2: know what tomorrow is going to bring forth.

1019
00:57:58,165 --> 00:57:59,485
Speaker 3: I mean, the.

1020
00:57:59,485 --> 00:58:03,205
Speaker 2: Things that have transpired even this past week, the thing

1021
00:58:03,285 --> 00:58:07,645
Speaker 2: with Iran, and you know, the warning about not bringing

1022
00:58:07,925 --> 00:58:12,045
Speaker 2: our aircraft carrier back into the Persian Gulf, and you

1023
00:58:12,085 --> 00:58:15,205
Speaker 2: know that whole area is so explosive and we don't

1024
00:58:15,285 --> 00:58:18,565
Speaker 2: know when it might just all blow up, and so

1025
00:58:18,805 --> 00:58:22,325
Speaker 2: it's such a changing world that we're living in. The

1026
00:58:22,405 --> 00:58:25,765
Speaker 2: important thing is that we hold on to an unchanging Christ,

1027
00:58:26,405 --> 00:58:30,925
Speaker 2: and that you know that Jesus Christ is the same yesterday,

1028
00:58:31,005 --> 00:58:34,565
Speaker 2: today and forever. And when you're living in uncertain kind

1029
00:58:34,605 --> 00:58:38,245
Speaker 2: of conditions, it's just important that you have an anchor

1030
00:58:38,725 --> 00:58:41,845
Speaker 2: that doesn't change, and so I think that that's the

1031
00:58:41,925 --> 00:58:42,925
Speaker 2: thing for the new year.

1032
00:58:43,445 --> 00:58:45,885
Speaker 3: Just hold on to our unchanging Christ.

1033
00:58:46,005 --> 00:58:49,125
Speaker 4: Now hold the course, Hold the course, you bet, Chuck.

1034
00:58:49,165 --> 00:58:50,125
Speaker 4: Would you pray for us?

1035
00:58:50,285 --> 00:58:50,485
Speaker 3: Oh?

1036
00:58:50,605 --> 00:58:54,725
Speaker 2: Yes, Father, we thank you for the opportunities that are

1037
00:58:54,725 --> 00:58:57,325
Speaker 2: going to be given to us in this coming year.

1038
00:58:58,085 --> 00:59:00,925
Speaker 2: And Lord, we look forward, Dude, that which you have

1039
00:59:01,125 --> 00:59:03,765
Speaker 2: planned and that which you are going to do. And Lord,

1040
00:59:03,765 --> 00:59:06,765
Speaker 2: we know that already you've got the whole thing laid out.

1041
00:59:06,805 --> 00:59:11,885
Speaker 2: And so as we, Lord, just go by faith, day

1042
00:59:11,925 --> 00:59:15,245
Speaker 2: by day, just seeking Lord, to know your will and

1043
00:59:15,285 --> 00:59:18,165
Speaker 2: to do your will. We pray Father that you'll just

1044
00:59:18,285 --> 00:59:21,525
Speaker 2: guide us and use us as you see fit, that we,

1045
00:59:21,685 --> 00:59:25,325
Speaker 2: Lord might be instruments through which you can accomplish your

1046
00:59:25,325 --> 00:59:30,045
Speaker 2: eternal purposes. And so Lord, bless we pray, as Lord,

1047
00:59:30,085 --> 00:59:33,725
Speaker 2: we seek to follow you and be instruments Lord, through

1048
00:59:33,765 --> 00:59:37,685
Speaker 2: which you can accomplish your eternal purposes, and know the

1049
00:59:37,805 --> 00:59:41,085
Speaker 2: blessings and the joy of just being.

1050
00:59:41,005 --> 00:59:42,845
Speaker 1: Your servants here on earth.

1051
00:59:43,285 --> 00:59:46,125
Speaker 2: Lord, bless each one here tonight and those that will

1052
00:59:46,165 --> 00:59:51,085
Speaker 2: be watching and the videos as they are being distributed

1053
00:59:51,085 --> 00:59:53,845
Speaker 2: in days to come, Lord, let them be an inspiration.

1054
00:59:54,085 --> 00:59:57,405
Speaker 2: And Lord, let them realize that you can take just

1055
00:59:58,005 --> 01:00:01,245
Speaker 2: the nobody's and make something out of them if we

1056
01:00:01,285 --> 01:00:04,485
Speaker 2: will just but yield ourselves to you. So thank you,

1057
01:00:04,565 --> 01:00:07,885
Speaker 2: Lord for what you've done, and we look forward for

1058
01:00:08,005 --> 01:00:10,765
Speaker 2: what you're planning to do and going to do as

1059
01:00:10,805 --> 01:00:15,765
Speaker 2: we just surrender and submit our ways unto you. Bless you, Lord,

1060
01:00:16,085 --> 01:00:18,365
Speaker 2: We thank you for Jesus and all of his love

1061
01:00:18,685 --> 01:00:21,085
Speaker 2: and all that He's done for us. Thank you for

1062
01:00:21,165 --> 01:00:24,205
Speaker 2: this time tonight. And Lord, just may we go forth

1063
01:00:24,565 --> 01:00:28,245
Speaker 2: inspired by your spirit, looking forward to the things that

1064
01:00:28,565 --> 01:00:32,045
Speaker 2: you want to accomplish through our lives, as we surrender

1065
01:00:32,085 --> 01:00:38,325
Speaker 2: and yield ourselves fully to you in Jesus' name, Father, Amen, Amen,

1066
01:00:38,725 --> 01:00:39,965
Speaker 2: right Am.