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Speaker 4: All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. Our
Speaker 4: two is underway. We are actually going to be joined
Speaker 4: now by Scott Johnson from the power Line Blog, one
Speaker 4: of the groups that has been investigating the Minnesota fraud
Speaker 4: and within the Somali community specifically for a lot longer
Speaker 4: than the public is now aware of, at least the
Speaker 4: vast majority of them. So Scott, welcome to the Charlie
Speaker 4: Kirk Show. Thanks for making the time.
Speaker 3: Blake.
Speaker 4: Blake is the one who turned me onto your reporting
Speaker 4: and your investigative, investigative work. So I'm gonna let him
Speaker 4: take the lead here because what you've been doing needs
Speaker 4: to more people need to know about it.
Speaker 5: Scott, Hey, Scott, Yeah, welcome to the show. I'm a
Speaker 5: big fan of power Line. You guys are. I think
Speaker 5: you guys have literally been blogging before they actually came
Speaker 5: up with the word blog, which is quite I think
Speaker 5: you were like the original Time magazine article about and
Speaker 5: all that.
Speaker 3: Big fan of you guys.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And what I like about what you guys have really
Speaker 3: pointed out.
Speaker 5: You've had a lot of posts on this explosion of
Speaker 5: interest in the Somali story, and what you've pointed out
Speaker 5: is this is not it's not truly a new story.
Speaker 5: Even Nick Sureley, he's not He's not even the first
Speaker 5: person to go around knocking on the doors of daycares.
Speaker 5: And so I thought we could set this up by
Speaker 5: you could just explain a little bit about what you
Speaker 5: know as a conservative on the ground in Minnesota, what
Speaker 5: the real state of affairs is, and what is the
Speaker 5: best thing that could happen if we want to see
Speaker 5: accountability for this And I guess I sup must be
Speaker 5: obviously useful policy developments at the national level as a
Speaker 5: result of this scandal.
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's a big question.
Speaker 6: The last time you had me on like it was
Speaker 6: to talk in the aftermath of the controversy that Chris
Speaker 6: Ruffo had raised with a City Journal column this past November,
Speaker 6: and it created a huge impact all around the country
Speaker 6: because President Trump attended to that matter, and all of
Speaker 6: a sudden there were there were calls for investigation coming
Speaker 6: from all over the country directed at the United States
Speaker 6: Attorney for Minnesota and the local FBI office here. But
Speaker 6: in fact, the case that Ruffo wrote about, the fraud
Speaker 6: cases that have been drawn to his attention are four
Speaker 6: years old. They're gonna be let's see, since twenty twenty one,
Speaker 6: they've been under investigation by the FBI. There have been
Speaker 6: at least fifty convictions in those cases.
Speaker 2: There are about twenty eight more maybe to go.
Speaker 6: And this round of controversy is created by this incredible
Speaker 6: video that Nick Shirley created knocking on doors around on
Speaker 6: the Twin Cities to demonstrate the level of fraud in
Speaker 6: one aspect of these cases that is also.
Speaker 2: Under investigation and also being charged.
Speaker 6: And that's the most the thing I would like your
Speaker 6: audience to know more than anything else, is that these
Speaker 6: matters are under investigation by the FBI, and they are
Speaker 6: being prosecuted by the United States Attorney for the District
Speaker 6: of Minnesota. And whatever credit you give to me for
Speaker 6: covering these cases comes from the fact that I have followed.
Speaker 6: I've the press conferences called by the US Attorney here,
Speaker 6: and I've attended the trials held in these cases is here.
Speaker 6: And this is all from my perspective. Old news. Now,
Speaker 6: what's the name of the gentleman you were going to
Speaker 6: have on this afternoon, Nick Shirley. Surely you know I'm
Speaker 6: just inundated with questions about this, but surely's video focuses
Speaker 6: on one aspect of the frauds that are being investigated here.
Speaker 6: The daycare frauds, and he highlights in the video an
Speaker 6: office in the city of Saint Paul called the Griggs
Speaker 6: Midway Building that had twenty two offices that were devoted
Speaker 6: to some aspect of these frauds. And the funny thing
Speaker 6: is that office building was rated in July and at
Speaker 6: the time I posted one of the search warrants that
Speaker 6: was executed in July on power Line, and then in
Speaker 6: September several of those cases out of the Griggs Midway
Speaker 6: building were charged. Now, the first charge cases involved another
Speaker 6: medicaid fraud Minnesota. Medic Medicaid has fourteen waiver programs and
Speaker 6: daycare has been a longstanding problem. But the first charge
Speaker 6: cases in that have come out of the Griggs Midway
Speaker 6: Building and Saint Paul are in housing stabilization services, which
Speaker 6: seems to be a fraud of the kind that Nick
Speaker 6: Shirley is exposing in this video that has gone viral.
Speaker 6: So the one thing I would like your audience to
Speaker 6: know is that this matter, to use President Trump's term,
Speaker 6: is being attended to. The FBI is investigating it, and
Speaker 6: the cases are being charged. There are more that will
Speaker 6: be charged this week. If there's a problem, it's that
Speaker 6: the United States Attorney's Office for Minnesota is not huge.
Speaker 6: There might be five or six prosecutors working on these
Speaker 6: cases and a team of FBI agents. If anything, it's
Speaker 6: time to send in reinforcements. But the matter, this is
Speaker 6: not news. It does not need to be investigated in
Speaker 6: the sense that a case needs to be open. It
Speaker 6: is under investigation and the cases are being charged.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's interesting. I want to read a line from
Speaker 5: your post this morning. It says before Nick Shirley and
Speaker 5: after and you say, Joe Thompson, the US Attorney for Minnesota,
Speaker 5: has all but shouted the point from the rooftop. Minnesota
Speaker 5: is drowning in fraud. To put it another way, Thompson
Speaker 5: was shouting, wake up. The volume of fraud is beyond
Speaker 5: the capacity of his office to remedy by prosecution alone.
Speaker 5: And you asked him, Okay, are there more people you
Speaker 5: could charge? And do they match basically the appearance of
Speaker 5: the cases we've seen so far? In other words, are
Speaker 5: there more Somali fraud cases that he's just been unable
Speaker 5: to get to? And he told you yes, So we
Speaker 5: have the evidence, we have the cases. It seems that
Speaker 5: we literally just have a case where we need more
Speaker 5: prosecutors and more manpower to bring the paperwork charges.
Speaker 3: Is that the situation as I do I understand.
Speaker 2: It correctly to go back to the beginning, which is the.
Speaker 6: Searches and indictments that were handed up in the year
Speaker 6: twenty twenty two. Out of the investigation that began in
Speaker 6: twenty twenty one, we're in this Feeding Our Future that
Speaker 6: involved three hundred million dollars the original indictments, there was
Speaker 6: a forty a set of forty seven indictments that were
Speaker 6: handed up by the grand jury in September twenty twenty two,
Speaker 6: and those cases have multiplied. They're up to seventy some now.
Speaker 6: And that's how these subsequent frauds were discovered, is that
Speaker 6: Joe Thompson and the FBI, as they followed the money
Speaker 6: coming out of medicaid to and this Feeding our Future,
Speaker 6: as they followed the money, they found some of the
Speaker 6: same cast of characters. The defendants in the Feeding Our
Speaker 6: Future case are basically a white woman who set up
Speaker 6: this Feeding our Future nonprofit and recruited Somali, a Somali
Speaker 6: cast of characters to run these fraudulent program programs around
Speaker 6: the state. So that's how it happened.
Speaker 2: Is that this thing has been under investigation for four years.
Speaker 5: I wanted to You've watched Minnesota politics for a long time,
Speaker 5: and it's always struck me.
Speaker 3: As a state.
Speaker 5: It seems like it should be a purple or red
Speaker 5: state by now, like it should follow the arc of Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 5: move a bit to the right. Yet it's always been
Speaker 5: this white whale. It never seems to happen, even when
Speaker 5: it seems like this, a scandal like this should be
Speaker 5: a huge feeding frenzy for a state Republican and you
Speaker 5: guys have good local conservative leaning investigators Alpha News.
Speaker 3: You guys, what's going on?
Speaker 5: Why does Minnesota never seem to reach that turning point
Speaker 5: that it seems like it should.
Speaker 6: Well, I hate to point the finger at the Somali
Speaker 6: community again, but the problem is Kennepin County, which is
Speaker 6: the county in which minneapolisits, and the Democratic majority there
Speaker 6: is so huge, including a large component of Somali voters,
Speaker 6: that it makes up for the Democrats weakness in rural Minnesota,
Speaker 6: and they do lose out state Minnesota has shifted. It
Speaker 6: is a purple state in the sense that rural counties
Speaker 6: are basically Republican and Saint Paul in Minneapolis are a Democrat,
Speaker 6: so we need to do a little bit better in
Speaker 6: the cities. It's been a long time since the Republican
Speaker 6: one estate wide election here. If it doesn't happen in
Speaker 6: twenty twenty six, we really got a problem.
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Speaker 4: Uh, you know, it's interesting. I'm not exactly sure what
Speaker 4: the precise number of Somali voters are now in Hennepin County,
Speaker 4: but it's massive. We're talking at least over one hundred thousand.
Speaker 4: Some have said two hundred thousand, so that's a huge
Speaker 4: voting block. I don't know what the margin of defeat
Speaker 4: for Trump was in Minnesota, Blake, if you've got that handy,
Speaker 4: but it's I I'd be surprised if it was much
Speaker 4: higher than two hundred thousand. But we'll check the Uh,
Speaker 4: you know, you mentioned this voting block and Nick Shirley,
Speaker 4: who we've been talking about, who's actually he's had reschedule
Speaker 4: with us. He'll be on tomorrow. Uh mentions this exact
Speaker 4: thing one eighteen.
Speaker 7: Heavn or Tim Walls is saying that you and others
Speaker 7: that are out there trying to expose this, you.
Speaker 6: Know you're doing it because you're white supremacist.
Speaker 8: What is your response to him?
Speaker 9: Yeah, Tim wants votes. There are entire apartment complex that
Speaker 9: where white people have been pushed out of these apartment
Speaker 9: complexes because Somalians have taken over in there, inside of
Speaker 9: these towns like Minneapolis, where they can go and go
Speaker 9: get votes from these people. And if you have one
Speaker 9: hundred thousand people that will vote for you because you're
Speaker 9: going to enable and let this stuff happen, and because
Speaker 9: you're going to call white person races for calling out facts.
Speaker 9: This is what's going to happen to state like Minnesota.
Speaker 9: Minnesota's they say in Minnesota nice, but they are very upset.
Speaker 9: And I fully understand why they're upset because they don't
Speaker 9: have a governor who's actually working for them.
Speaker 2: He's actually working against them.
Speaker 5: I guess what I'm wondering is I just checked and
Speaker 5: Trump lost President Trump lost Minnesota by about one and
Speaker 5: a half points in twenty sixteen, he lost by more
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty, and in twenty twenty four he lost
Speaker 5: by four points, So it actually has shifted a little
Speaker 5: bit bluer over the past eight years. Is that just
Speaker 5: a demographic effect or do you think is there something?
Speaker 5: Is there something too that you'll always hear from outside Minnesota.
Speaker 5: People will say it's that Scandinavian psychology, So I guess
Speaker 5: i'd ask what you think of that? And also just
Speaker 5: in general, I know you say it's not a news
Speaker 5: story there, but it is getting a lot of attention.
Speaker 5: Is this the sort of thing people are talking about
Speaker 5: all the time there? Is it taking over discourse in
Speaker 5: the state in a way it didn't before.
Speaker 6: I think the point that Nick surely made in the
Speaker 6: video that you played is absolutely right. It's hard to
Speaker 6: convey the level of impest on the one hand and
Speaker 6: anger on the other that this story generates. You know,
Speaker 6: people feel like they're being treated as chumps and they're
Speaker 6: really mad about it. And I can't think of a comparable,
Speaker 6: you know, issue of public affairs in the past ten
Speaker 6: years in Minnesota that has generated this level of interest.
Speaker 2: It's had a huge impact.
Speaker 6: President Trump had an impact in twenty sixteen. I think
Speaker 6: one effect he had was turning suburbs around in head
Speaker 6: of a county around the Twin Cities Lure because the
Speaker 6: suburban voters don't like his style or whatever. I really
Speaker 6: haven't thought about the question that you're raising right now,
Speaker 6: and hesitate to say more about the political impact and.
Speaker 2: So on.
Speaker 6: But I do think that we need a serious Republican
Speaker 6: candidate at the top of the ticket. In twenty twenty six,
Speaker 6: we had a weak Republican gubernatorial candidate in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 6: It brought down competitive candidates under him. If we have
Speaker 6: several good candidates running for the Republican gubernatorial nomination in
Speaker 6: twenty twenty six, and if one of them gets the
Speaker 6: nomination and is endorsed, I think will win.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can hope, man, we can hope. Just so
Speaker 3: we're just so.
Speaker 4: We're clear the raw vote.
Speaker 3: The raw vote.
Speaker 4: Difference in twenty twenty four in Minnesota was one hundred
Speaker 4: and thirty eight thousand, one hundred votes, so Donald Trump
Speaker 4: received one point five. Essentially, Harris received one point sixty five,
Speaker 4: so it was one hundred and thirty eight thousand raw
Speaker 4: votes that Minnesota was won by. And if you think
Speaker 4: the Somali community, which has been largely imported since the
Speaker 4: late nineties, I mean that's let's say it's over two
Speaker 4: hundred thousand.
Speaker 3: I mean there's it's about eighty thousand. So it's not
Speaker 3: like the difference.
Speaker 4: I've heard larger numbers. Do we know the actual numbers
Speaker 4: here how many Somalis are in Minnesota?
Speaker 6: I would say no, you can get official numbers would
Speaker 6: be something like the eighty thousand that you're using, But
Speaker 6: I think it's well over one hundred thousand.
Speaker 2: It is a fair number.
Speaker 6: And and and they're not entirely in Minneapolis, but they're concentrated.
Speaker 2: And it used to be called little Little Mogadishu. That's
Speaker 2: the fifth district.
Speaker 6: Hannafin County and Minneapolis an interring suburb. It's ilhan Omer's district.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's not so little anymore.
Speaker 2: When the mogad issue has gotten bigger.
Speaker 4: Well, it's not just, but it's not just it's not
Speaker 4: just Minnesota. By the way, this is in Ohio. There's
Speaker 4: now reports of over five hundred childcare facilities in the
Speaker 4: state of Washington run by Somali's. So we'll see how
Speaker 4: far the rabbit hole goes down. This is a very
Speaker 4: interesting conversation. Scott Johnson has been with his power Line blog,
Speaker 4: has been investigating the I guess fraud situation, different aspects
Speaker 4: of it in Minneapolis or Minnesota. Scott, does this go
Speaker 4: back twenty years twenty five years for you? How long
Speaker 4: have you been doing your research and investigations.
Speaker 6: Well, we started power Line in over a Memorial Day
Speaker 6: weekend two thousand and two. I'm trying to thank the
Speaker 6: free I really got seriously interested in this subject. I
Speaker 6: covered the Minnesota was a fount of folks supporting al Shabab,
Speaker 6: and in twenty sixteen there was a terrorism trial here.
Speaker 6: There were nine charged Somali Minnesotas who were seeking to
Speaker 6: join ISIS. Six of them pleaded guilty. Three of them
Speaker 6: went to trial in twenty sixteen. I covered that trial,
Speaker 6: and these were young, charismatic men who on the surface
Speaker 6: were apparently assimilated. They were well spoken, they were taking
Speaker 6: advantage of opportunities, they were educated, they were taking advantage
Speaker 6: of every employment and educational opportunity I could think of. So,
Speaker 6: you know, I was exposed to some of them as
Speaker 6: they came through the courtroom. But the three defendants, I
Speaker 6: saw one of them testified and one of the nine
Speaker 6: turned in and were a wire. So you got to
Speaker 6: hear what these guys really thought of us, and it
Speaker 6: was really it was shocking how much hatred they had
Speaker 6: for the United States.
Speaker 8: Wow.
Speaker 6: And in the course of that trial, I saw, you know,
Speaker 6: one of the programs they were taking advantage of was
Speaker 6: student loans and one of the defendants pulled out five
Speaker 6: hundred dollars on a debit card from his student loan
Speaker 6: to finance his trip to Turkey to try to get
Speaker 6: to Isis. And these folks were apprehended before they before
Speaker 6: they left the United States. But it was shocking to
Speaker 6: me how how cognizant they were of the seams and
Speaker 6: the system that they could take advantage of and so on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really revealing.
Speaker 5: One of the places they investigated the way it had
Speaker 5: all three it was like it had a transportation company
Speaker 5: and it had like a home, a medicaid company, and
Speaker 5: a daycare. They're aware of where you can go to
Speaker 5: get the money. And as you said, it's nice that
Speaker 5: you brought up the terrorism nexus of this.
Speaker 3: In twenty nineteen.
Speaker 5: I've got it right in front of me. Fox nine
Speaker 5: out of Minneapolis, Saint Paul. They investigated this story and
Speaker 5: there was literally reports. This was noted that millions of
Speaker 5: dollars was being flown out of the Minneapolis airport in
Speaker 5: suitcases in cash. They just had cash stuff in suitcases
Speaker 5: and they're flying it to Somalia.
Speaker 3: It's beyond a doubt.
Speaker 5: A lot of that probably ended up with extremists, al
Speaker 5: Shabab terrorists. And it says in that article that it's
Speaker 5: well known that starting a daycare is a way to
Speaker 5: print money in this community twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3: It's just well feeding friendly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think the cash being flown out he
Speaker 6: has never been substantiated. But that's where we came in.
Speaker 6: It was with daycare fraud. I wrote account for city
Speaker 6: journal called MODISHU Minnesota, I think in twenty eighteen that
Speaker 6: referred to the issue of daycare fraud and the story
Speaker 6: about cash being flown to Somalia. I'm not so sure
Speaker 6: that that part of it is true, but it certainly
Speaker 6: has been a concern for a substantial period.
Speaker 2: At the time.
Speaker 4: Well, so my question, then, Scott goes to the politicians
Speaker 4: that have been complicit in this right. In twenty twenty three,
Speaker 4: Governor walt said that, you know, childcare providers need a raise,
Speaker 4: which basically, you know, was you know, a tip of
Speaker 4: the cap to his his constituents in the smaller community.
Speaker 4: I gotta believe, what, what are are we looking at
Speaker 4: complicity within the elected class in Minnesota? Can we are
Speaker 4: you going to be pursuing that investigation? What can we
Speaker 4: expect in terms of Tim Waltz and other official officials
Speaker 4: in the state.
Speaker 6: I don't think Tim Walls and I don't think Attorney
Speaker 6: General Keith Ellison. I don't think either one of them
Speaker 6: has either said for an interview regarding what they knew
Speaker 6: when when on this massive public programs fraud. And it
Speaker 6: would be nice if, you know, the big media outlets
Speaker 6: here like the Minneapolis Star Tribune now known as the
Speaker 6: Minnesota Star Tribune, would ask for interviews and tell us
Speaker 6: what the response is that they get. Will either of
Speaker 6: these guys sit for an interview during the second of
Speaker 6: these Feeding Our Future trials?
Speaker 2: Earlier this year, I sent sets of questions.
Speaker 6: I asked for interviews of both Walls and Allison to
Speaker 6: ask those questions, and I sent them written questions on
Speaker 6: the subject of what they knew when when Keith Ellison,
Speaker 6: the Attorney General of the state, is a guy who
Speaker 6: brags about how he can spot a fraud when he's
Speaker 6: talking about President Trump. So I was curious about when
Speaker 6: he spotted the fraud that took place under his auspices
Speaker 6: here over the last six years.
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable.
Speaker 6: You know, these guys have specialized in either looking the
Speaker 6: other way or facilitating ya what we've seen over the
Speaker 6: past seven cases.
Speaker 5: We're out of time here, Scott, but thank you so much,
Speaker 5: Thank you so much for your work.
Speaker 3: Everyone.
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Speaker 4: of Justice. Harmony, Welcome back to the show. I'm very
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Speaker 4: weekend holiday break and you're you're trying to explain things
Speaker 4: I found. I was very sympathetic to where you're at
Speaker 4: because I have, you know, in the last couple of months,
Speaker 4: received my own fair amount of attention from conservative influencers
Speaker 4: that don't seem to understand that we have a legal
Speaker 4: system that has rules, it has timelines, and you're being
Speaker 4: or perhaps you just observed some of the questions that
Speaker 4: we're circulating about this post January sixth prosecution. People want
Speaker 4: accountability for some of the stuff that happened. Obviously we
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Speaker 4: explain the statute of limitations to you people?
Speaker 3: So the floor is yours?
Speaker 4: What sparked this and what do you want the country
Speaker 4: the conservative movement to know?
Speaker 8: Well, thank you for having me, and thank you for asking.
Speaker 8: It is certainly very frustrating to those of the Department
Speaker 8: of Justice, where we are doing so much, we are
Speaker 8: winning so many cases that court, we're putting wins on
Speaker 8: the board, and Attorney General Pam Bondi and the rest
Speaker 8: of us keep getting criticized for not having arrests like
Speaker 8: arrests are entertainment are breading circuses, and in fact there
Speaker 8: are arrests and there is a very lively activity from
Speaker 8: are very committed and I think the most conservative Department
Speaker 8: of business that we've ever had, so and I don't
Speaker 8: think it's just people asking question whatever responding to what
Speaker 8: was what looked to me like in organized campaign of
Speaker 8: a stupid commentary that falsely claim that because January sixth
Speaker 8: is coming up, there's a five year statutical limitation that
Speaker 8: acquires on January sixth, twenty twenty five, and if the
Speaker 8: Attorney General and the DADA hasn't indicted people by that time,
Speaker 8: then that statue of limitation has run. And I think
Speaker 8: it is paid. I think I see certainly those types
Speaker 8: of influencers on X who are monetized repeating this propaganda
Speaker 8: almost word for word, and I was frustrated by it.
Speaker 8: It saw some pushback, it wasn't enough pushback, and so
Speaker 8: I decided to get out there and you know, spew
Speaker 8: some facts. Namely, there is no statutal limitations that runs
Speaker 8: on that day. There are various status considered on a
Speaker 8: run on a rowing basis, and some haven't even expired.
Speaker 8: Because where there's a continuing conspiracy, which I think you
Speaker 8: could make the case for in some circumstances, the Statute
Speaker 8: of Limitations doesn't begin to run by east start until
Speaker 8: that conspiracy, and they'll overact further into the conspiracy end.
Speaker 8: And so I put some facts out there, and I
Speaker 8: also expressed my frustration that so called conservative influencers are
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Speaker 8: life where these to form themselves, to try the honest
Speaker 8: instead of just trying to make money off of the
Speaker 8: desperation of a less and formed populace.
Speaker 4: Well, and I think that's really important. And we have
Speaker 4: your tweet here. You said stuff happens January sixth. That
Speaker 4: date is irrelevant. January sixth, Committee and Congress forms in
Speaker 4: the summer. This is a relevant date. So statute the
Speaker 4: limitations mid twenty twenty six. Potentially Jack Smith appointed over
Speaker 4: a year later, so there's another date. Democrats in Congress
Speaker 4: and those in the States colluding with Biden Whitehouse hide
Speaker 4: their behavior, some of which still hasn't come to light.
Speaker 4: Statute runs on this five years after their concealed behavior
Speaker 4: is known to the government. This means the statue could
Speaker 4: run in the next administration, and then you have a
Speaker 4: note of encouragement to stop posting clickbait. I think that's
Speaker 4: all fair. I actually, I actually was not booking you
Speaker 4: on this topic, harm Meat. We wanted to have you
Speaker 4: on because the Minnesota topic, and we've been covering that
Speaker 4: throughout the show today. I mean, it was, it was
Speaker 4: the number one topic Elon's posting about it. So I
Speaker 4: appreciate the statute of limitations. I think you're you're getting
Speaker 4: to a point that the base wants accountability, they want results,
Speaker 4: and it's not just about the DOJ. It's not just
Speaker 4: about Pambondi. You guys are doing great work at the
Speaker 4: Department of Justice in a lot of different ways. And
Speaker 4: I know because I've spoken with people. There's a lot
Speaker 4: coming down the pike. So we can put a pin
Speaker 4: in that if you'd like. But there's a lot coming
Speaker 4: down the pike. Could you could you at least assure
Speaker 4: our audience that you guys are working on stuff that
Speaker 4: they're gonna like.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, But let me continue the theme here of the
Speaker 8: false narrative, which is that no one's going to go
Speaker 8: to jail. We aren't doing anything. We haven't done a
Speaker 8: thing where the aures this is nonsense, because the Attorney
Speaker 8: General and under the DOJ, we have actually indicted ninety
Speaker 8: nine people so far, and we're just getting started. In
Speaker 8: the Minnesota Somali fraud rings. So far, there are over
Speaker 8: sixty convictions and please hundreds of millions of dollars in
Speaker 8: gold and restitue chet and you know, additional collateral crimes
Speaker 8: including attempted bribery by one of these fraud stars trying
Speaker 8: to deliver one hundred and twenty thousand dollars stats who
Speaker 8: are yours home? And things like that, and so you know,
Speaker 8: we're also uncovering. There's the news of similar types of
Speaker 8: fraud happening in Ohio at other places where the smaller
Speaker 8: community is because apparently this is a type of fraud
Speaker 8: that they're they're talking among themselves, and it isn't just
Speaker 8: Somali fraud. There's other fraud. I probably believe that there's
Speaker 8: a state organized fraud. Frankly in Away in California where
Speaker 8: Victor days Hanson talking about this on his spotcats, where
Speaker 8: he's talking about you know, sort of inflated reimbursement requests
Speaker 8: for ambulances from the state and then the states talkeets
Speaker 8: the difference, and you know, all kinds of crazy stuff
Speaker 8: like this medicaid fraud. There's autism fraud, and on and
Speaker 8: on and on, and so we are so dedicated to this.
Speaker 8: There are career prosecutors, a lot of political thing. This
Speaker 8: is the type of thing that they did day in
Speaker 8: and day out. And the Attorney General is so dedicated
Speaker 8: to and I spoke to her about it yesterday to
Speaker 8: not getting enough credit and it's not reasonable. And so
Speaker 8: I just want people to understand that when they say
Speaker 8: where are the arrests, there's no arrests, you're just sounding dumb,
Speaker 8: because if you cracked open a browser and did a
Speaker 8: little bit of research, you would find that there have
Speaker 8: been many arrests, many convictions, convictions, many indictments, and ongoing
Speaker 8: investigations here. And so I'm proud of the DJA and
Speaker 8: the work that we're doing. And it would really make
Speaker 8: it easier for us to to do our job and
Speaker 8: we didn't have to spend time combating this information from
Speaker 8: the public online, so which is practly religious and soft.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I want to take a minute, just a
Speaker 4: moment here to pause. You mentioned Victor Davis Hansen, he
Speaker 4: announced on his show. So we just want everybody to
Speaker 4: pray for VDH. Great American, been on this show many times.
Speaker 4: He says, I'm having a major operation and I've been
Speaker 4: presented with a serious problem. But I'm going to do
Speaker 4: all I can to solve it. And that's all I
Speaker 4: can do, and trust in the power of prayer and
Speaker 4: faith and in a wonderful surgeon. So it sounds like
Speaker 4: he's going into surgery with a serious issue. I saw
Speaker 4: you tweeting about that and retweeting, so I wanted to
Speaker 4: pause right there.
Speaker 3: We love VDH.
Speaker 4: He's a good, good American, great American, and so we
Speaker 4: wish him all the all the best. Please do pray
Speaker 4: for him. We need guys like VDH out there, a
Speaker 4: voice of stability and of just wisdom. History, his his
Speaker 4: context for just about every problem we face is is incredible.
Speaker 4: So just wanted to pause and say that. So one
Speaker 4: of the issues that you see if you go online
Speaker 4: and again this is sort of the theme of our
Speaker 4: conversation here, harmony is people want to see Tim Waltz,
Speaker 4: Keith Ellison. They want to see these guys indicted, arrested
Speaker 4: for their complicity or look turning the other way when
Speaker 4: they knew the fraud was happening. There's a when the
Speaker 4: previous segment, Blake mentioned a Fox nine article from twenty
Speaker 4: nineteen where this sort of daycare fraud was publicized first,
Speaker 4: and they were even alleging that some of the money
Speaker 4: was getting to back to al Shabab. Even in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 4: Then we had the City Journal reporting from Christopher Rufo
Speaker 4: that basically alleged the same. What would it take to
Speaker 4: indict a sitting governor? I mean, I know that you
Speaker 4: have an official role and there's only so much you
Speaker 4: can say, so please, by all means be careful, but
Speaker 4: just legally speaking, I mean, we haven't really seen anything
Speaker 4: like that, at least in living memory.
Speaker 8: Well what we have, I mean Rod Blagoyevitch was of
Speaker 8: course indebted, uh now correct. In fact, many Illinois governors
Speaker 8: simply indicted and convicted of crimes and that you know
Speaker 8: senators have as well, and it does happen. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 8: I mean, you know, I don't know if he was
Speaker 8: sitting at the time, but he was convicted for behavior
Speaker 8: that he then he allegedly engaged in while he was
Speaker 8: a sitting governor. And so you know, it does take
Speaker 8: time to put convictions together. So let me tell you how.
Speaker 8: And again this is not my area of expertise. I'm
Speaker 8: civil rights chief. I do have some criminal some jurisdiction
Speaker 8: involving eight crimes and stuff. But there's there's a concept
Speaker 8: in the DJ and also in state prosecutions called public correction.
Speaker 8: And they're prosecutors and specialize in public correction cases. And
Speaker 8: and there are difficult cases to bring, and they typically
Speaker 8: involved informant or somebody who has then engaged in criminal
Speaker 8: behaviors that filled like he bribes to a sitting official
Speaker 8: and then perhaps the Greek wear a wire or you know. Otherwise,
Speaker 8: there's theficient of it because they clean guilty and there's
Speaker 8: graguary and then there's you know, enough evidence to go
Speaker 8: in and get a wire tap and or financial records
Speaker 8: and then go trace the money and build an iron
Speaker 8: clad case. And I think that while I know there's
Speaker 8: a thirst, kind of a revenge, you like thirst or
Speaker 8: convictions and prosecutions, what we don't want is to have
Speaker 8: a situation like where what happened to President's Trump? You know,
Speaker 8: trunked updates, concocted cases. The EDS case, except you have
Speaker 8: to actually do the loanwork, put that iron clad case together,
Speaker 8: because you know what the other side is going to say.
Speaker 8: They're going to say that it's politicized. That's setting one
Speaker 8: hundred percent of cases involving public figures, this is political.
Speaker 8: This is not a real case where we're seeing that
Speaker 8: right now, that kind of commentary of politician Gens and
Speaker 8: some others that are in the crossairs of prosecution. And
Speaker 8: so I think that's what is happening here. And so
Speaker 8: it isn't enough that a public figure saw a news
Speaker 8: story five years ago that says that they're fraud in
Speaker 8: their state. That's not it crime, but tying them to it,
Speaker 8: trying them to either a financial motivation or a campaign
Speaker 8: finance motivation where they look the other way, or they
Speaker 8: accepted a gratuity or some benefit or right now ongoing Bedford,
Speaker 8: including to their family, or so forth. With the arrange
Speaker 8: that you're putting these faces together as important and I
Speaker 8: can guarantee that every single person working in being leaders
Speaker 8: of a business. Agoel was like nothing more than to
Speaker 8: bring righteous cases against corrupt public officials. But let me
Speaker 8: tell you a little uh call it a complex complication here.
Speaker 8: You know, the whole problem would be blue slit process
Speaker 8: that has been talked about. I'm sure you talked about
Speaker 8: it on your show. Well, it's kind of weird when
Speaker 8: you're in a blue state like Illinois or you know,
Speaker 8: Minnesota or California and the Democrat senators get a veto,
Speaker 8: But what who the prosecutor can be? Who might investigate them?
Speaker 8: That seem here conflictive interest? And then I can tell you,
Speaker 8: I could tell you actual complic sort of complex needs
Speaker 8: of fraud that I believe are been committed by Democrat
Speaker 8: public figures in California, and the blue slip process makes
Speaker 8: it such that nobody ever gets approved by those Democrat
Speaker 8: senators who isn't someone who they think is politically savvy
Speaker 8: enough to look the other way and not come after that.
Speaker 8: So that's why you see less of this. That's why
Speaker 8: sometimes these prosecutions at to occur from a different district
Speaker 8: or you know, out of main justice, and a lot
Speaker 8: of this stuff never comes to light because of that,
Speaker 8: So you rely on public figures coming forward and trying
Speaker 8: to help us with the issue.
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Speaker 4: A little bit of breaking news. The United States has
Speaker 4: just conducted its first land strike Venezuela. President Trump is
Speaker 4: confirmed the military took out a drug facility, resulting in
Speaker 4: a massive explosion. So we're going to keep our eyes
Speaker 4: on that. That's a little bit of breaking news. So
Speaker 4: our meet in the midst of this Venezuelan news and
Speaker 4: the bv net and Yahoo news, you have news on
Speaker 4: voting integrity. Voter integrity as well as some gun cases
Speaker 4: that you're working. Please tell us about them.
Speaker 8: Well, Charlo, let's talk about the voting cases first. So
Speaker 8: a few months ago I started this process of requesting
Speaker 8: the voter rolls from all the states and here at
Speaker 8: fort in the United States and asking them to share
Speaker 8: them with us so that we can help these states
Speaker 8: compare their voter roles against our government data and clean
Speaker 8: their voter role. The requirement of states under federal law
Speaker 8: to help America vote act, amongst others, and so there's
Speaker 8: a lot of heaving in on and including for red states,
Speaker 8: A lot of back and forth and then some outright
Speaker 8: results to co operate from many states, and so I
Speaker 8: and proud to report that today I'm in litigation with
Speaker 8: twenty two states in the United States, and that's actually
Speaker 8: twenty three lawsuits this California's two lawsuits. I also have
Speaker 8: voluntary compliance on thirteen states, including Texas and several others.
Speaker 8: And even on Christmas Eve and yourew, I had secretaries
Speaker 8: of state uploading their data in the DJ that we
Speaker 8: could do our work on it and help them clean
Speaker 8: their voter roles. And so we're engaged in a quarter
Speaker 8: and settlements with almost every state. I got North Carolina
Speaker 8: really on to actual intuit Sudlin agreement with us to
Speaker 8: clean up over one hundred thousand voter records that had
Speaker 8: been improperly recorded and they didn't get the correct data,
Speaker 8: but the disen shipped from those voters. I'msuing Georgia, including
Speaker 8: for the Fulton County ballots that we were requested several
Speaker 8: months ago and that they refused to give us. So
Speaker 8: we're in multiple lawsuits over there. And of course even
Speaker 8: after we filed that loss into the same week we
Speaker 8: filled the lawsuit lass week. All that came out about
Speaker 8: one hundreds of thousands of improperly recorded both with inappropriate
Speaker 8: change of plesity and other Indisha in Georgia. So it
Speaker 8: is really important work. We're excited about it. I wish
Speaker 8: I had more hands than while people at the DAS
Speaker 8: they do this with we're ordering very aggressively. So if
Speaker 8: anybody watching this as a lawyer who wants to come
Speaker 8: out their country, do the help clean up for voter roles.
Speaker 8: Sure Election Integrity were looking to hire people on that,
Speaker 8: and so I always keep people posted as people as
Speaker 8: say therapisting to give me their data. We get to
Speaker 8: a point where we know it's going to be they
Speaker 8: know we see that, and so we where money where
Speaker 8: our mouth is. And you know, I would have thought
Speaker 8: when I got in there and Andrew that I would
Speaker 8: have some template to pull from because surely the DADA
Speaker 8: did this before, right right, They never did it before.
Speaker 8: No Republican administration or even down a Pride administration did
Speaker 8: voter role litigation before.
Speaker 4: That important cause you there, this is something Blake brought
Speaker 4: up earlier that you know, you look back at what
Speaker 4: Tom Emmer was saying about the Somali population twenty fifteen.
Speaker 4: We need them. They're more American, and they're going to assimilate.
Speaker 5: He said, they assimilated better than any other group, and
Speaker 5: they were you know, the Germans had done the exact
Speaker 5: same thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what he said. So that's what he said.
Speaker 4: But Blake made the astute point that now Tom Emmer
Speaker 4: is on Fox basically calling for prosecutions and accountability, and listen,
Speaker 4: I'm not necessarily letting him off the hook for being
Speaker 4: a part of the problem in the first place. What
Speaker 4: I am saying is the tone and tenor of the
Speaker 4: entire conservative movement. If you took a snapshot in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 4: and then you took a snapshot in the end here
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty five, going into twenty twenty six, the aggressiveness,
Speaker 4: the just conservativeness of the people in power and the
Speaker 4: people in charge. We are light years ahead of where
Speaker 4: we were a decade ago, thanks to President Trump, thanks
Speaker 4: to Charlie Kirk, thanks to people like you, Harmy, and
Speaker 4: so I just want to I just want to make
Speaker 4: sure as there's all this consternation and frustration in the base,
Speaker 4: it seems with lack of results, we are moving in
Speaker 4: a very good direction. You We have har Meat Dylan
Speaker 4: at the DOJ suing states to clean up voter rolls
Speaker 4: and having massive results. That's that's the implications of that.
Speaker 4: Couldn't be bigger harm Meat because it's it's going to
Speaker 4: affect the midterms, It's going to affect twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 3: That's that's huge.
Speaker 4: What states I have to just ask are the worst
Speaker 4: on the voter rolls? Who is fighting you the most
Speaker 4: cleaning up their voter Is it California? I would presume, but.
Speaker 8: Well, California as defree in resistance mode in New York?
Speaker 8: May you know the usual suspects? All these states where
Speaker 8: they don't require boeridy, they don't we Minnesota, why goodness,
Speaker 8: you can? I mean Stott Presler, be friend of mine
Speaker 8: posted about this yesterday. Where you can go in and
Speaker 8: simply vouch for somebody's address, like you can bring your
Speaker 8: eight Somali buds in and say, I vouch for this
Speaker 8: person's address. That's all you need. You don't need, you, Bill, Andy, Bill,
Speaker 8: you don't need anything with some potential fraudsture vouching. That's insane. Yeah,
Speaker 8: you can't a country like that.
Speaker 4: We're running out of time. But I just want to say,
Speaker 4: good work. We have your back one hundred percent, and
Speaker 4: thanks for the updates, thanks for sticking with it, and uh,
Speaker 4: you know, thanks for educating people a little bit. I
Speaker 4: think that was important. Uh we will have you back
Speaker 4: on again soon.
Speaker 8: Keep up the good work, thanks for having me.
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