1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 2: Build Different is a production of the American Association of 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 2: Christian Counselors. To support this podcast and learn how you 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 2: can help us to promote all our biblical content, spread 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 2: the Gospel, and provide mental health resources and training to 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 2: people everywhere, just go to aaccfoundation dot org. Again, that's 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: Aaccfoundation dot org. Welcome to Built Different. I'm zach Clinton, 8 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: your host, and each week I come to you exclusively 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 2: on the Life Audio podcast Network. I'm proud to partner 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: with Life Audio and bring you entertaining, life changing, family 11 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 2: friendly podcasts for a new generation. I Built Different. Our 12 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: mission is to provide encouragement, hope and challenge to help 13 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 2: push you past your limits and reach goals you never 14 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: thought possible. Colossians two, verse six says, So, then, just 15 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: as you received Christ Jesus's Lord, continue to live your 16 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 2: lives in Him, rooted and built up in Him. 17 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: Amen. Now let's roll. 18 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 2: I'm doctor Zachlin your host today, and I'm honored to 19 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 2: be joined by doctor Bill Lyle, widely known as the 20 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 2: Pro Life Doc. Doctor Lyle is a Board certified obgyn. 21 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,839 Speaker 2: He's a speaker and founder of the Pro Life Doc Ministry. 22 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: He's dedicated his medical career to defending life and educating 23 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: the church on what's really happening in the world of abortion, 24 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 2: from the science of the abortion pill to the hope 25 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: of abortion pill reversal. Doctor Lyle, thank you so much, 26 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 2: first and foremost for being here, for your advocacy and 27 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,279 Speaker 2: for the importance of this conversation today. 28 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: It's an honor to be with you, Zach, and our 29 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: goal is to get new tools to people, not only 30 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: for the healing after abortion, but to engage in the 31 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: greatest spiritual battle our nation has ever faced. 32 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 2: I love that you're here at our twenty twenty five 33 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 2: AACC United World Conference because you're doing a lot of 34 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: worker on the mental health challenges that surround the topic 35 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 2: of abortion. I know there can be a lot of 36 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 2: shame with that, a lot of stigma with that, but 37 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: helping people find hope and freedom and so much more. Obviously, 38 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: you have a very decorated medical career, but now since 39 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: July we've gone into full time ministry, the pro life 40 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: doc ministry. Everybody knows you as the pro life Docs, sir, 41 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: but I don't know if they know the origin story 42 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 2: behind how this ministry got started. 43 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: I'd love for you to take us there. Years nineteen 44 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: ninety nine, I was just finishing my residency training with 45 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: the University of Florida and the practice that God led 46 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: us to to take over was actually the largest abortion 47 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: clinic on the Florida Gulf Coast. So in July of 48 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine, we took over that practice. We had 49 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: the former abortionists sign a two year non compete, which 50 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: pushed him into retirement, and on day one we stopped 51 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: all the abortions and today, still from Mobile, Alabama, two 52 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: hundred miles east of Tallahassee, Florida, there is still not 53 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: a single abortion clinic on the Florida Gulf Coast, so 54 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: we celebrate that, but then we also realized that there 55 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: was more to do, so we want to engage the church, 56 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: train the church on what abortion is. That we have 57 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: between eighteen and twenty four percent of all the men 58 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: and women in our churches have personally been involved with 59 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: an abortion. They are hurting, they need healing comes from forgiveness, 60 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: and true forgiveness only comes through the Blood of Christ. 61 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: So that's why it's so important to have the AACC 62 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: with Christian counselors to help the sixty four million women 63 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: and their partners heal from abortion because it really comes 64 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: down to guilt because you know that there was a 65 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: loss of an individual created in the image of God, 66 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: and you can't just say, well, don't worry about it. 67 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: It wasn't anything. It was just a little baby in 68 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: the womb. That doesn't help you to know that there 69 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: is true healing through the gospel is how we can 70 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: really bring relief and healing to these men and women. 71 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 2: Before we dive into the topic of abortion, I want 72 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 2: to dive deeper into the topic of life because obviously, 73 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 2: in our culture and society today, a lot of people 74 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,119 Speaker 2: would say my body, my choice. There's that movement that's 75 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: gone on rapidly throughout culture. But you're somebody that's delivered 76 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 2: countless babies. He's walked alongside of mothers. You're somebody who's 77 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 2: seen the challenges following an abortion. And I would love 78 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: to ask doctor Lyle in this moment, when does life 79 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: really begin? Is it at conception? 80 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: What would you say? Sure, there's no doubt it's at 81 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: that moment of conception. You had maybe one egg that 82 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: was ovulated, and then you had a competition with two 83 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty three hundred million sperm. They all want 84 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: to be the Michael Phelps gold medalist. There's only one 85 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: gold medalist. There's no silver medalist, no bronze. At that 86 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: moment of conception, when we have the first that actually 87 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: makes it inside, there's actually a shield that goes up 88 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: to prevent the silver metalist want to be and the 89 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: bronze medalist want to be from getting inside, and that's 90 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: called the Zona pellucida. And at that moment that shield 91 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: goes up, there's an amazing chemical reaction that happens. There's 92 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: zinc ions, potassium ions, calcium ions going in and out 93 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: to make this shield. And if you look with the 94 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: right frequency of light, you can actually see a flash 95 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: of light at that moment of conception. So when people say, well, 96 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: we really don't know when life begins, dude, I can 97 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: see a flash of light when it happens. That's when 98 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: not just life begins, but it's new life. And even 99 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: at that single cell stage, that one cell is unique 100 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: for mom, dad and the other eight billion people on 101 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: the planet. And then it starts to divide and it's 102 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: called cell differentiation, and it's a miracle. But you know, 103 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,679 Speaker 1: moms and babies half the time they're a different gender, yes, 104 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: and then they can even have a different blood type. 105 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 1: So science was created by God. Anatomy was created by God. 106 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: So we can't be afraid of using true science now 107 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: when we look at so many the mental health issues 108 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: that are trying to use science to justify everything from 109 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: transgenderism and other things, it's our scientists if some of 110 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 1: them have lost their ever loving mind. So we have 111 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: to be acutely aware of what true science is. If 112 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: you have a cluster of just one billion cells ten 113 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: weeks after conception that all have a different blood type, 114 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: then it's not my body, my choice. And even when 115 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: we are now treating babies in the wombs surgically, we 116 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: provide a second anesthesia team specifically for the baby that 117 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: starts an IV and the babies are getting fentanyl for 118 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: pain and paralytics called nor kuron. If I'm doing a hysterect, 119 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: I mean I've done thousands. Mom always gets anesthesia. Does 120 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: the uterus get its own anesthesia team? No, because the 121 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: uterus is part of the mom. When we're performing fetal surgery, 122 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: the baby is a different person, a different neurologic system. 123 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: So the babies get their own anesthesiologists, so we can 124 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: defeat all of the arguments such as my body, my choice. 125 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: It's not your body. Your body is a life support system. 126 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,119 Speaker 1: But this is a totally new independent, genetically different blood 127 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: type half the time, have different gender, a new patient 128 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: and in amen. 129 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 2: Since it's Supreme Courts Dobb's decision overturning Roe v. Wade, 130 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 2: obviously the landscape of abortion around America is changed. You 131 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 2: being somebody that's not just living in the advocacy space 132 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: in the ministry space full time, but somebody that I 133 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 2: mean has spent tons of time in the medical space 134 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 2: as well. I would love to hear have you seen 135 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 2: a shift? Have you seen it different as it relates 136 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 2: to some of the rates of abortion across America since 137 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 2: that decision, Well. 138 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: We know that we have really divided into two different 139 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: camps as far as statewide, but think about eighteen sixties. 140 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: We had two camps back then too. If slavery was 141 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: wrong in New Jersey, then slavery is morally wrong in Alabama. 142 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: Now we've kind of switched the roles. If abortion is 143 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: wrong in Alabama, then abortion is wrong in New Jersey. 144 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: Since Dobbs, the number of abortions countrywide has actually gone 145 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: up and it is now probably about one point one million, 146 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: but we really don't know true numbers because the majority 147 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: of the increases in abortion are from the abortion pill, 148 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: and at the very least the abortion pill is probably 149 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: responsible for at least seventy percent of all the abortions, 150 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: So we'll probably have at least seven hundred thousand abortions 151 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: from the abortion pill each year, and the total number 152 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: is at least now probably close to one point one million. 153 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: That's every year. We've recorded over sixty four million abortions 154 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: since nineteen seventy three, so we celebrated Dobbs. But the 155 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: abortion pill has now come in and it was invented 156 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: by a guy named ettienamil Balu who passed away two 157 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: months ago. He was a gifted end chronologist and he 158 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: created the abortion pill which will kill a baby ninety 159 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: eight percent of the time up to ten weeks gestation. 160 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: But there are now even studies. There was a study 161 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: worldwide that looked at using that same abortion pill but 162 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: with different dosing to kill a baby up to twenty 163 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: eight weeks gestation. So this is a worldwide attack on 164 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 1: the image of God in the womb. At Tienamil Ballou 165 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: is responsible with his creation for one billion abortions, approximately 166 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: forty million each year for twenty five years. They're only 167 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: eight billion people on the planet. So that was his 168 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: crowning glory and that was his what he saw was 169 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: his greatest achievement. But after he died, he realized a 170 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: couple things. Number One, there is a God, there is 171 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: a heaven, there is a hell. He is a just 172 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: and fair God. So I just can't imagine that judgment 173 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: where you used your gifts and your talents and you 174 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: created a pill that would kill a maybe ninety eight 175 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: percent of the time up to ten weeks gestation and 176 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: one billion. I mean, we mourn the Holocaust, there were 177 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: six million Jews that were killed. This was one billion 178 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: deaths at the hands of at Tienamel Bellou. But healing 179 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: is available. But that's the attack on the image of God. 180 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: It's primarily with the abortion pill. But then we have 181 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: so many states where it is culturally acceptable and legal 182 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: to perform an abortion at any gestational age. So when 183 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: we have a generation which has grown up where if 184 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: something bothers you or inconveniences you, then it is perfectly 185 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: legal and culturally acceptable to kill that baby in the 186 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: womb up until term. Are we really surprised that somebody 187 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: with that same mentality would assassinate Charlie Kirk? Life is precious, 188 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: but we have, you know, in the demonstration of our 189 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 1: culture with abortion on demand, available everywhere, and even having 190 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: a pill which if you don't even have a credit 191 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 1: card you can still get access to the abortion pillow. 192 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: Life is much more precious than that. But we have 193 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: a generation that this has been their standard, that they 194 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: have learned. 195 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: I'm gonna stop this right there and jump into say 196 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: you're listening to build different I'm Zach Clinton. We need 197 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 2: to break for a brief message from our sponsors. I'll 198 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 2: be back with our guests to keep the conversation flowing. 199 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 2: Right after this, you're listening to Life Audio. Talk to 200 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 2: me a little bit, doctor Lyle, just about the physical 201 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 2: impacts of this abortion pill, and I mean the physical 202 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 2: toll it might take women, because I'm thinking about you know, 203 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 2: these types of pills they just kind of counteract maybe 204 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 2: a one night stand or a bad decision like hey, 205 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 2: I went out their irresponse, but I did something I 206 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: didn't want to do. But I don't want to have 207 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 2: a baby, like, I'm not ready for that. So we 208 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 2: take a pill, but we don't understand all of the 209 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 2: impacts that it has. And I want to start with 210 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 2: the physical because then we're going to get into the 211 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 2: emotional mental. But physically, what's the impact it has on women? 212 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: Well, first we have to look at the differences between 213 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: the morning after pill and the abortion pill. The morning 214 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: after pill is like in a situation you describe both. 215 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: Somebody had an intercourse and like, I don't want to 216 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: do that, and they can take the morning after pill 217 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: up to seventy two hours after they've had intercourse, and 218 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: it will force them to have a menstrual cycle. And 219 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: if a pregnancy had begun before a pregnancy test is 220 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: even positive, it will force that pregnancy to pass with 221 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: the menstrual flow. The abortion pill is much different. The 222 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: abortion pill actually will block a very important hormone called progesterone. Well, 223 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: you're in medical school. You got a big word, you 224 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: break down the little pieces. Progesterone is the pro gestational 225 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: steroid hormone. Everything that's good about a pregnancy is because 226 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: of progesterone. It is what says we're not going to 227 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: have a menstrual cycle. We are going to support this pregnancy. 228 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: We're going to increase blood supply. So when the progesterone 229 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: signal is blocked, the body stops and goes. I thought 230 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 1: we were pregnant. I guess we're not pregnant. So these 231 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: are babies that have beating hearts, fingers, toes, fingerprints, toe prints, 232 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: they're moving around on the inside, and this pill will 233 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: abort that baby. But it's also dangerous for the moms. 234 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: It will kill a baby ninety eight percent of the time. 235 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: But in April twenty eighth, actually of this year, the 236 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: Ethics and Public Policy Center released an article. It was 237 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: a study of over eight hundred and sixty five thousand 238 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 1: women who had been prescribed and took the abortion pill. 239 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: For years and years, we've been told that the complication 240 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: rate of a woman who's taking the abortion pill is 241 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: less than zero point five percent. This study showed with 242 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: those eight hundred and sixty five thousand women, they only 243 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: looked at severe complications or life threatening complications. They didn't 244 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: even bother looking at mild or moderate. They found there 245 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: were over forty thousand women who had to go to 246 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: the er. There were twenty eight thousand women who were 247 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 1: having had to have an additional surgery like a DNC 248 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: to remove the products after the abortion pill. There were 249 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: twenty four thousand women who presented with hemorrhaging, twelve thousand 250 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: women who had either infections or even sepsis, and they 251 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: also found that there were over three thousand women who 252 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: had an ec topic or tubl pregnancy. Still the number 253 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: one killer of women in the first trimester of pregnancy 254 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: is still a ruptured EC topic pregnancy. One in one 255 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: hundred pregnancies will be EC topic or in the tube. 256 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: So when a woman doesn't get an ultrasound, she receives 257 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: the abortion pill through the mail or either she gets 258 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: it from a different country, one percent at that time 259 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: it will be an ac topic and they received the 260 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: abortion pill combination, they are told you can expect to 261 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: have bleeding, cramping, and pain. What were the symptoms of 262 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: an ectopic pregnancy? Bleeding, cramping, and pain. So we're seeing 263 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: more and more cases of women who are coming into 264 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: the emergency room with a life threatening ectopic pregnancy. Often 265 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: they have delayed coming in to seek care because they 266 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: thought that was normal. So it is harming women. It 267 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: wasn't zero point five percent, it was actually eleven percent, 268 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: twenty two times higher. And sometimes people say, yeah, it's 269 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: twenty two percent higher. Let's go over basic numbers. It's 270 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: twenty two times. And if I go in to the 271 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: airport and I am hungry and I see a Snickers 272 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: bar and it's labeled a dollar, and I swipe it 273 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: and it doesn't come up a dollar, it comes up 274 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: a dollar twenty two, that's twenty two percent higher. If 275 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: I take that same Snickers bar and I swipe it 276 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: and it comes up twenty two dollars, I'm not getting 277 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: that Snickers bar. I mean, I like Snickers, but I 278 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: don't like them twenty two dollars worth. So women are 279 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: being harmed and we see this effect on them, and 280 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: it's extremely traumatic for these women. And a lot of 281 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: these women don't even know that somebody doesn't even know 282 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: that they were pregnant. So we'll talk about the mental health. 283 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: But they are passing identifiable fetuses where they can see 284 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: the eyes, they can see arms, they can see legs, fingers, 285 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: and toes, and they're doing this alone. They're typically home alone, bleeding, cramping, 286 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: horrible pain, and then they pass something and that is 287 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: traumatic and then there is no mom that knows, there 288 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: is no dad, there are no friends. So this is 289 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: something that women are carrying where they're carrying it alone. 290 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: A lot of these women have now progressed to even 291 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: being leaders within their churches. Their spouse might not even 292 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: know about this part of their past. Well, when you're saved, 293 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: and that's why the mental health is going to be 294 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: so important. Paulses forget about those things which lie behind, 295 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: press on towards what's ahead. But we're here to educate 296 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: our Christian counselors on how they have to ask these questions. 297 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: Not just oh, how many kids do you have? You've 298 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: got to ask how many times have you had a 299 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: positive pregnancy test? When was your first pregnancy test? Because 300 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: we see so many women who are coming into our 301 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: offices and it's like, well, what's going on recently? What 302 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: having some depression anxiety? We are seeing more and more 303 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: evidence of women who their mental health challenge and their 304 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: depression and anxiety journey started twenty or twenty five years 305 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: ago when they had their first abortion. So we need 306 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: to go back and we need to do a thorough 307 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: history and say, do you remember when your first positive 308 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: pregnancy test was? And then really focus because a lot 309 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: of women were not going back to the beginning. And 310 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: you can't treat until you have a diagnosis and can 311 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: identify when did this disease begin. 312 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 2: We've talked a lot about what life is. We've talked 313 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 2: about abortion. We've talked about the physical impacts of abortion, 314 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: the heinous effects of the abortion pill, not just on 315 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 2: the baby itself, but also on mothers as well physically. 316 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 2: And now I want to go into the emotional and 317 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 2: the mental turmoil that a lot of people overlook here, 318 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 2: doctor Loud, because we know this guilt and shame can 319 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 2: run rampant and abortion. I've sat down with women who 320 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 2: have experienced that very thing, and they're struggling, and they're 321 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 2: suffering because they wish right they maybe wouldn't have made 322 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 2: that decision, or they just don't even understand the effects 323 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 2: mentally that it might have on them later on in 324 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 2: life as it continues to reprocess those same emotions. Speak 325 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 2: to the impact of what you've seen and how detrimental 326 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:36,719 Speaker 2: the mental turmoil can be. 327 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: The mental trauma applies to women and men. To yes, right, 328 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: every single pregnancy involves a guy. I mean, there was 329 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: one two thousand years ago, but it was a one 330 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: off and it's not happening again. But every pregnancy involves 331 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: a guy, So we're going to focus on women during 332 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: this session. But I had a gentleman who presented to 333 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: one of our conferences as we were doing a men's comence, 334 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: how we were encouraging men with the issue of abortion 335 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: that your role is to be a defender and a protector. 336 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: So when it comes to abortion, we need to equip 337 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: our men where they can do their role in life. 338 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: They can be defenders, they can be protectors. So we 339 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: were having a men's conference and a gentleman came up 340 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: after the conference. He just wanted some one on one 341 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 1: time and he said, you showed a picture of the 342 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: clinic you took over. I said yes, sir. He said, 343 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: you showed a picture of the stairs that led up 344 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: to the surgical suite upstairs. I said yes, sir. He 345 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: goes I was there with my daughter two years before 346 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: you took over that practice. He said, My daughter was seventeen, 347 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: she was already accepted to the University of Alabama, and 348 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: she came up to me a couple months before she 349 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: was going to leave and says, Daddy, I'm pregnant. He goes, 350 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: I go to church every Sunday morning, every Sunday night, 351 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: and Wednesday. I'm a saved man, bought by the blood 352 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: of Jesus. But I'd never heard what do you do 353 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: when your daughter says, Daddy, I'm pregnant? He said. I 354 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: didn't know about pregnancy centers. I didn't know about where 355 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: to go for help. So I just said, well, what 356 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 1: can I do to help you? 357 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 2: Sweetie? 358 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: She said, I can't take a baby to the University 359 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: of Alabama. I think I need an abortion, he said. 360 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: We took her to what eventually became your practice. He said, 361 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: I remember signing the consent for him because she was 362 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: under eighteen, where that I'm giving them permission to abort 363 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 1: this baby in the womb, he says. We didn't do 364 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 1: credit cards back then. He said, I took out my 365 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: check book, I wrote a check for two hundred and 366 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: fifty dollars, and for the second time in five minutes, 367 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: sign my name a second time, he said. Then we 368 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: went back to an office in the corner and they 369 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: did an ultrasound. He said, all I remember was a 370 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: black circle in my daughter's belly and something white flickering 371 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: on the inside. He goes, I know that was my 372 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,479 Speaker 1: first grandchild. He said, I saw my daughter go up 373 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: the stairs that you showed a picture of. She was 374 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: up there about a half hour and she came down 375 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: the other set of stairs, and it forever changed our life. 376 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 1: He said. My daughter from that point on wanted nothing 377 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: to do with church. She wanted nothing to do with me. 378 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: She completely left the faith and doesn't have a relationship 379 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: with me to this day. He said. Not only was 380 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: that my first grandchild, that I signed my name twice 381 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: and wrote a check. He goes, that was my only grandchild. 382 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: He goes, I'm in my sixties now, I have no grandkids. 383 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: I will never have a grandchild. And he said, but 384 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: I realized that was my decision and I was wrong. 385 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: But he said that I had been hurting with that. 386 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 1: He said it was so dirty and so painful that 387 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 1: I didn't want to talk to God about it. He goes, 388 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: I know I'm a saved man, but I never repented 389 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: on this in my past, he said. For the first 390 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: time listening to a gynecologist of all things, he said, 391 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: I just quietly prayed and says God, thank you for 392 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: saving me, thank you for sending your son for me. 393 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: But I repent. I had the opportunity of a grandchild 394 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 1: and I blew it. And these are the generational consequences 395 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 1: of a sin, he goes. I've lost my daughter. I've 396 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: lost at least a grandson or granddaughter, he says, I 397 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: don't even know. But he said, for the first time, 398 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: I just quietly prayed and repented to God. He says, 399 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 1: for the first time. He described it as a white 400 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: hot lump of charcoal in his heart that's been burning 401 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: for decades, and he said, for the first time, I 402 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: just quietly grayed and repented of that, he goes. He says, 403 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: I feel that burning is gone, he says, but I'm 404 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 1: a little bit angry. He says. I've sat in church 405 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: hundreds of times. I've never heard a single message on abortion. 406 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: Why abortion is a sin, That healing is available, he says, 407 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: of all things. A guy in a collegists, but women 408 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: are experiencing this same trauma. There is actually a men's 409 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: ministry called Men for Life. It's run by a friend 410 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: of mine named Sean Corkran who Sean his girlfriend became 411 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: pregnant in college. He wanted to get married, have a baby, 412 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: start the whole family thing. She wanted nothing of it, 413 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: and she aborted his child and he had no say 414 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: in it. He was finally able to graduate from college 415 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: after having some extensive counseling and really true mental health assistance, 416 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 1: and he went to law school, and now he's a 417 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: defender of not only the babies in the womb, but 418 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 1: also of the men that they engage in this battle. 419 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: But we've had sixty four million abortions here in the 420 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: United States, and when a woman even has her positive 421 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: pregnancy test, one of the first things they do is, 422 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 1: what was the first day of my last menstrual period? 423 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: How far along am I? What's my due date? And then, 424 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, whether it's friends or pressure or they 425 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: don't know of resources, they abort that child, whether it's surgically, 426 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: which is now the minority of abortions, or it's with 427 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: the abortion pill, but that due date is always in 428 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: their mind. And they're even hormonal changes that occur right 429 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: with that first pregnancy test. I mean, oxytocin hormone levels 430 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 1: go up. You can see changes in estrogen, progesterone, prolactin. 431 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: That's why we see so many mood changes during pregnancy. 432 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 1: And then all those are just abruptly stopped. And then 433 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: when you look at that guilty, you look at that 434 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 1: shame that women are experiencing, and they know they took 435 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: a life. This was something that was inside of them, 436 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: and they've tried to justify it based on circumstances, but 437 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: they truly need healing and to not be a Christian 438 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: counselor and to be able to share the message of 439 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: the gospel where you actually have true forgiveness. I don't 440 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: know how another counselor could even approach this issue, which 441 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: is truly an area of forgiveness is necessary for these women. 442 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 1: But we see such a boost in the number of 443 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 1: women who are going through depression when their age is 444 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: like maybe sixteen to thirty. That's a huge block. But 445 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: these are also the ages that are also going through 446 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: an abortion and it's a temporary thing. Even with the 447 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: abortion pill. They have regrets, and we can have a 448 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: seventy two hour window where we can actually reverse those regrets. 449 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: You know about regrets more than everything was the study 450 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: of the Golden Gate Bridge, one of the most commonplaces 451 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: where people will go to take their lives. There, over 452 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: two thousand people have jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge 453 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 1: fallen for two and a half second, hit the water 454 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: in one hundred miles an hour, and the vast majority die. 455 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 1: But there was a psychologist in California that realized that 456 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: there were twenty nine known people who had miraculously survived. 457 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: She tracked down all twenty nine and she interviewed them, 458 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: and they all had a similar story where they walked 459 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: out onto the bridge, nobody loves me, nobody cares for me. 460 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: This just won't go away. I don't have anybody to 461 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: turn to, and they jumped off the bridge. Well, her 462 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: follow up question was what was going through your mind 463 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 1: right after you had jumped off the bridge. Twenty nine 464 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: of twenty nine said, as soon as they jumped off 465 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: the bridge, they had immediate regrets, and they called out 466 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: to God. By some sort of a miracle, they either 467 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: swammed the shore, fished out by fishermen, or the coast 468 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: code guard picked them up. We see the same thing 469 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: with the abortion pill, where women will walk into the 470 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: abortion clinic saying, nobody loves me, nobody cares for me, 471 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: nobody's here to meet my needs. And they think that 472 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: the abortion pill is going to fix everything. And I've 473 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: attempted reversal on twenty seven women who have taken the 474 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: abortion pill. We've been successful twenty out of those twenty 475 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: seven times. So when a woman does have those regrets, 476 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: and two of the calls that I've seen from our 477 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: health center, which is Abortion Pill Reversal dot Com. Two 478 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: of those calls from women they have not even left 479 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 1: the parking lot of the abortion clinic. They've taken the pill. 480 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 1: They have immediate regrets, and we're able to successfully reverse 481 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: the effect of the abortion pill, and that brings healings. 482 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 1: So with our network, we have now successfully reversed the 483 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: effect of the abortion pill seven thousand times. There's seven 484 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: thousand babies which are alive that had a ninety eight 485 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: percent chance of dying. But that's the best example of 486 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: what redemption really means. Where we're all on a path 487 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: just like a baby's on a path of dying. Yes, 488 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 1: but the mom is a change of heart, change in mind. 489 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: She seeks out help. My wife and I pay for 490 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 1: the reversal medicine every time. It costs about one hundred bucks. 491 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: You're literally buying back the life of that baby. But 492 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: look how similar that is to all of us who 493 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: had a one hundred percent, you know, probability and likelihood, 494 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: and it was going to happen. We were going to 495 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: be eternally separated from God and we would not spend 496 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: dettornity in heaven. We have a change of heart, change 497 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,479 Speaker 1: in mind. Were not bought back with one hundred dollars 498 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: worth of progesterone. We're bought back and redeemed with the 499 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: blood of Jesus Christ. So that's why it's Christian counselors 500 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: that are leading the way. 501 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 2: Doctor Lawle. You've clearly seen a lot of mental wounds, 502 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 2: a lot of brokenness on the backside of a bad decision. 503 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 2: And I agree, I too, in my clinical practice, have 504 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 2: worked with clients who maybe chose to have an abortion, 505 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 2: and the issues we work on in the aftermath continue 506 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 2: for a long time. They typically resurface, especially later in 507 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 2: life when there's guilt and when they's shame involved, but 508 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 2: there's hope and when you begin to process it with 509 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 2: somebody again, as they begin to recognize the love and 510 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 2: the grace and the goodness of God that God hasn't 511 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 2: abandoned them because of a bad decision. God doesn't it 512 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 2: doesn't matter our past, right, everything is redeemable and restorable. 513 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 2: Back to the image of God, speak to the hope 514 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 2: in Christ in the midst of this crisis. 515 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: There is healing. Healing is in forgiveness, and true forgiveness 516 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: is only available through the Gospel and the blood of 517 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ and confidentiality. You need to speak with a pastor, 518 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: you need to speak with a counselor, and I would 519 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 1: really say it has to be a Christian counselor because 520 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: the key with this guilt is with true forgiveness, which 521 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 1: only comes through the Gospel. And anything that you tell 522 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: that pastor, that counselor or your physician will always be 523 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: held confidentially and there's no breaking of that confidentiality and 524 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: it'll just between you and your counselor. Healing is available 525 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 1: and there are professionals who are there to assist. 526 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 2: The Church hasn't always done the best job of covering 527 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 2: this topic. We're really good at talking about abortion being 528 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 2: a sin, but we're not so good about the healing 529 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 2: journey to help individuals that are struggling, both moms and dads, 530 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 2: families that struggle from this very thing. If you might, 531 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 2: what can we as the big C global church be 532 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 2: doing to be a little bit more caring and care 533 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 2: for people that struggle with this particular topic more effectively 534 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 2: and more like Christ. 535 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: Sure, we have all sinned and fallen short of the 536 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: glory of God. We might not have all been involved 537 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: in an abortion, but we have all sinned. We can't 538 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: cover the abortion is it's so bad it can't be 539 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: covered by the blood of Christ. It can be covered 540 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: and forgiveness is available. When the church has a young 541 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 1: lady who delivers her baby, and say two months later, 542 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, that baby passes away, the church functions 543 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: like the church should. There are cards, there is more 544 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: lasagna being dropped off, and take care of all those needs. 545 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,959 Speaker 1: People are calling saying I am praying for you. But 546 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: then when somebody has even a miscarriage and everybody knows 547 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: about that miscarriage. My wife and I had four miscarriages, 548 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: two kids. We actually had members of our church coming 549 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: up and saying things like, well, at least you can 550 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: know you can get pregnant, or well, at least you 551 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: already have Sydney, you know, when we had already had 552 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: one baby, and that just is not You're better off 553 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: being silent and providing information like that. This is a 554 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: spiritual battle. It is an attack on the image of God. 555 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: It should not be obstetricians and psychologists and politicians that 556 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: are leading a spiritual battle. It should be our pastors 557 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: leading it from the pulpits where they need to be 558 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: saying this is an attack on the image of God. 559 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: One example, why does somebody burn the American flag. The 560 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: American flag is the image that represents the United States 561 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: of America. If you hate the United States, you express 562 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: that by destroying the American flag. Abortion is the attack 563 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: on the image of God of a hatred for God. 564 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: Genesis one twenty six says that we're all created in 565 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: the image of God, and that created begins at that 566 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: moment of conception. So abortion is an attack on that 567 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: image of God out of a hatred for God. And yes, 568 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: the Gospel needs to be the number one thing preached 569 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: from every pulpit in the United States, but the abortion 570 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: battle needs to be number two. But we speak at 571 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: a lot of pastors' conferences and typically we'll see about 572 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: two percent of the pastors have even had one lecture 573 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: in either undergrad or in seminary on how to address 574 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: that issue. So we've developed curriculums specifically for pastors. If 575 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: you don't know how to discuss it, you won't. But 576 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: we need to encourage our pastors. I mean, even when 577 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: Paul wrote to the Church of Epicus, he said, pray 578 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: for me that I would have the courage to speak 579 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: as I must. So as a member of a church, 580 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: we need to encourage our pastors and give them that 581 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: support and that they refuse. Then you need to think, 582 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: is this the pastor and the leadership where I want 583 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: to be raising my kids and tithing? But there are 584 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: between depending on the denomination, Between eighteen and twenty four 585 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: percent of all of the members in our churches have 586 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: personally been involved with an abortion. So it needs to 587 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: be a message coming from the pulpit, not from the 588 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: podium of a politician. 589 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 2: Right, and people can't be silent about it, not just 590 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 2: leaders speaking out openly about it, but also those that 591 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 2: are navigating this loss being willing to say I'm not 592 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 2: going to try to heal in hiding. I'm going to 593 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,479 Speaker 2: add ask for help. I'm going to process these things 594 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 2: alongside of a trusted individual in a non judgmental space, 595 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 2: because healing is possible. I want to close this way, 596 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 2: doctor Loud, because I'm thinking about a mom and a 597 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 2: dad out there who might be pregnant, and they're beginning 598 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 2: to question whether or not they want to choose life. 599 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 2: They're beginning to question whether they have the means or 600 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 2: the resources, or the support or the stability to be 601 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 2: able to provide a good life for this child. And 602 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 2: I just want you to offer a word of hope, 603 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 2: a word of encouragement as to why they need and 604 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 2: why they should choose life for this baby today. 605 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: Well, first, you've been blessed. You have that positive pregnancy test. 606 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: You are now carrying the image of God that was 607 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: in your womb. I mean, we celebrate Jesus. You know 608 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: when Mary first had that pregnancy test. I mean even 609 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: when John the Baptist came to visit you know, you know, 610 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: and was in that presence, John the Baptist leaped in 611 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: his mother's womb for joy. They're inside of Elizabeths belly. 612 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: So this is an amazing blessing. And even Elizabeth said 613 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: that the mother of my Lord, not the mother of 614 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: the baby who's going to be my lord, but the 615 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: mother of my Lord would visit me. This is the 616 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: biggest blessing you will ever have. And this is an 617 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: opportunity to say thank you Lord. But there are resources 618 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: available for you. They're over three thy five hundred pregnancy 619 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: Resource centers which are there to assist you, help you 620 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: get through this challenge emotionally, physically, financially. A lot of 621 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: them can even assist when it comes to medical care. 622 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: A lot of them have housing, and they will all 623 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: be praying for you in this greatest spiritual battle. This 624 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: is a blessing and abortion is a loss. You will 625 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: get through this, I promise you. I've had so many 626 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: patients that, yeah, they were facing challenges and we were 627 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: able to guide them and help them, and every one 628 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: of them after we delivered the baby and we'd seen 629 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: it that two week postpartum visit, you had to bring 630 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,239 Speaker 1: up remember where you were almost were now that they 631 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: have this beautiful baby that's all dressed up and looking perfect, 632 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: and it is an absolute blessing. Don't throw away the 633 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: biggest blessing in your life. I've got kids. You've got kids. 634 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: Mine are now grown up and having their own kids, 635 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: and I can't imagine going through life without them. So 636 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: as we get older, we look back and we think 637 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: that was one of the biggest blessings in my life. 638 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: Amen to that. 639 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 2: You might not see the people around you, but that 640 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 2: doesn't mean you can't seek them out. There are people 641 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 2: that want to help you, that want to support you, 642 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 2: that want to love you through this very thing. Again, 643 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 2: life is a choice and life is a celebration because, 644 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 2: as you said, it truly is an opportunity to celebrate 645 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 2: the image of God in our daily lives as well. 646 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 2: Doctor Lao, you're a gift, You're a blessing. Let me 647 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 2: ask you this, Where can our audience go to find 648 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 2: out more about you and to be involved with the 649 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 2: Pro Life DOOC ministries. 650 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 1: Sure well, we can go to prolifeoc dot org. You 651 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: can see our speaking schedule. We'll speak out of state 652 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: about one hundred times a year, and you can also 653 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: see curriculums videos that are there at prolifedoc dot organ. 654 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: Would be honored to assist. 655 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 2: Thank you for your time and thank you for joining me. 656 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: You are welcome. It's always a pleasure to partner with 657 00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: you and your family.