1 00:00:02,750 --> 00:00:03,750 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:04,990 --> 00:00:05,910 Speaker 2: Hey, Jen, thanks for joining me. 3 00:00:06,510 --> 00:00:07,790 Speaker 1: Hey, Michael. So good to see you again. 4 00:00:08,610 --> 00:00:12,250 Speaker 2: Jen Lilly, who stars in the new movie, Jimmy. Almost 5 00:00:12,350 --> 00:00:15,530 Speaker 2: got that confused. November the 6th is the date. The movie, 6 00:00:15,550 --> 00:00:17,810 Speaker 2: of course, tells the incredible story of actor Jimmy Stewart, 7 00:00:17,850 --> 00:00:22,889 Speaker 2: star of It's a Wonderful Life. Jen, you portray Stewart's wife, Gloria. 8 00:00:23,430 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 2: I'm excited to watch this. Every time I see a 9 00:00:24,930 --> 00:00:26,860 Speaker 2: clip of it, it makes me want to watch the movie. 10 00:00:27,540 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: Tell us about the film, why you wanted to be 11 00:00:29,140 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: a part of it, and tell me about your role. 12 00:00:31,220 --> 00:00:33,310 Speaker 1: Thank you. I mean, I wanted to be part of 13 00:00:33,390 --> 00:00:35,449 Speaker 1: it because I think any actor, if you say this 14 00:00:35,510 --> 00:00:37,970 Speaker 1: is a biopic about one of the most iconic actors 15 00:00:37,990 --> 00:00:41,810 Speaker 1: of all time, you're automatically just, you know, chomping at 16 00:00:41,830 --> 00:00:44,310 Speaker 1: the bit to be able to do it. So I 17 00:00:44,350 --> 00:00:47,390 Speaker 1: was so excited to have anything to do with it. 18 00:00:47,460 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: But what really moved me was the fact that as 19 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: iconic of an actor as James Stewart is, you know, 20 00:00:55,500 --> 00:01:00,410 Speaker 1: I mean, look at so many Alfred Hitchcock movies, Philadelphia Story, 21 00:01:00,450 --> 00:01:03,740 Speaker 1: he won the Academy Award for. It's a Wonderful Life, 22 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: the reason, you know, Hallmark Christmas movies even exist. He's 23 00:01:07,459 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: such an iconic actor, but off screen, he was probably 24 00:01:12,340 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: even more impressive. He had such a servant's heart and 25 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: he was just so known for being so kind and 26 00:01:19,140 --> 00:01:21,890 Speaker 1: so down to earth. And so I was very moved 27 00:01:22,530 --> 00:01:27,149 Speaker 1: to be part of telling his true story of who 28 00:01:27,190 --> 00:01:29,790 Speaker 1: he is. And I think that it's more relevant than 29 00:01:29,890 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: ever because We're just in this time, and I know 30 00:01:33,750 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: it's really gone on since the beginning of time, but 31 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,140 Speaker 1: I just feel that over the last six years or 32 00:01:40,180 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: so since COVID, people have gotten so up in arms 33 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,470 Speaker 1: and so divisive over even little things. And I think 34 00:01:49,550 --> 00:01:53,610 Speaker 1: that the life of Jimmy Stewart, who he was off screen, 35 00:01:54,210 --> 00:01:57,330 Speaker 1: is going to be something that every single person, no 36 00:01:57,370 --> 00:02:04,550 Speaker 1: matter their race or socioeconomic background, religion, politics, whatever they believe, 37 00:02:04,590 --> 00:02:08,329 Speaker 1: whatever factions we've decided to become so divisive over, we're 38 00:02:08,350 --> 00:02:10,850 Speaker 1: going to see ourselves. We're going to remember that we're 39 00:02:10,889 --> 00:02:12,930 Speaker 1: so much more alike than we are different. And so 40 00:02:13,050 --> 00:02:16,930 Speaker 1: it's a relevant movie. It's a timely movie. And I 41 00:02:16,970 --> 00:02:19,609 Speaker 1: think that it just does so many things. It's going 42 00:02:19,630 --> 00:02:22,889 Speaker 1: to make us remember and honor our veterans who get 43 00:02:23,010 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: so overlooked. And I just was so honored to be 44 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:28,620 Speaker 1: able to be part of it. And then to also 45 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,220 Speaker 1: play Gloria Stewart, his wife, who was a woman who 46 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,459 Speaker 1: was very grounded in her faith and she made him 47 00:02:35,540 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: want to live life again, you know? So I was 48 00:02:39,020 --> 00:02:41,900 Speaker 1: just really honored to be part of it, especially knowing 49 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:46,020 Speaker 1: that one of their four children, Kelly, she was an 50 00:02:46,060 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: executive producer on this. So I was approved to play 51 00:02:49,310 --> 00:02:50,809 Speaker 1: her mother, which is not lost on me. 52 00:02:51,750 --> 00:02:54,490 Speaker 2: That's amazing. And of course, KJ Apa, Betray Stewart, every 53 00:02:54,530 --> 00:02:57,510 Speaker 2: time I see those clips, he He really stepped into 54 00:02:57,550 --> 00:03:00,370 Speaker 2: the role. I mean, he seems like he's Jimmy Stewart 55 00:03:00,389 --> 00:03:00,970 Speaker 2: in those clips. 56 00:03:01,570 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: He did a tremendous job. Yeah. 57 00:03:04,750 --> 00:03:07,220 Speaker 2: But you were talking about Jimmy Stewart. He, I believe, 58 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 2: fought in World War II. That's a part of the 59 00:03:09,540 --> 00:03:10,860 Speaker 2: story that most people don't know about. 60 00:03:11,540 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 61 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 2: And then he came back and was played in It's 62 00:03:14,460 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 2: a Wonderful Life. You said getting this role felt kind 63 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,030 Speaker 2: of redemptive after a difficult couple of years in your life. 64 00:03:20,820 --> 00:03:22,169 Speaker 2: Tell us about that. What did you mean by that? 65 00:03:23,110 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: Well, you know, in the beginning of 2023— everything in 66 00:03:26,620 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: my career was flourishing. I felt like I was at 67 00:03:30,260 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 1: a high. I was under a contract with a network. 68 00:03:33,100 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: You know, I had Christmas Is Not Cancelled, my company 69 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,830 Speaker 1: that I loved so very much. And I just felt 70 00:03:38,890 --> 00:03:43,210 Speaker 1: like my career life was flourishing. And I was fasting 71 00:03:43,230 --> 00:03:46,650 Speaker 1: and praying about some stuff going on personally with different 72 00:03:46,670 --> 00:03:51,070 Speaker 1: family members. And I remember being in my prayer closet, 73 00:03:51,090 --> 00:03:54,310 Speaker 1: like literally in my closet. Like it was like, Other 74 00:03:54,350 --> 00:03:57,670 Speaker 1: things in life were dismantled enough that I was in 75 00:03:57,730 --> 00:04:01,410 Speaker 1: a period of fasting and praying, which I do regularly. 76 00:04:01,490 --> 00:04:03,870 Speaker 1: Like when things hit the fan or if I have 77 00:04:03,910 --> 00:04:07,090 Speaker 1: a friend who, you know, is diagnosed with something or 78 00:04:07,130 --> 00:04:08,890 Speaker 1: they're going to go on a mission strip, like you 79 00:04:08,910 --> 00:04:10,890 Speaker 1: can call me and I will fast and pray with you. 80 00:04:10,930 --> 00:04:13,910 Speaker 1: Like I'm very into that discipline. So I'm in my, 81 00:04:14,010 --> 00:04:16,380 Speaker 1: literally my parent closet because I have four young children 82 00:04:16,450 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: and they love to find me and ask me questions 83 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: nonstop that are not important. So I was like literally 84 00:04:21,380 --> 00:04:23,620 Speaker 1: in my closet because like The kids are not looking 85 00:04:23,660 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: for me there and praying about something totally different. And 86 00:04:28,220 --> 00:04:30,860 Speaker 1: all of a sudden I heard the Lord say to me, 87 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:32,530 Speaker 1: and when I say here, it's not audible, but it 88 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,650 Speaker 1: was in my spirit. And he said, you're about to 89 00:04:35,690 --> 00:04:38,070 Speaker 1: get kicked out of the nest and you are going 90 00:04:38,089 --> 00:04:40,130 Speaker 1: to feel like you are free falling to your death. 91 00:04:40,750 --> 00:04:43,390 Speaker 1: And I need you to know that it's me who 92 00:04:43,410 --> 00:04:46,030 Speaker 1: kicked you out of the nest because you have forgotten 93 00:04:46,070 --> 00:04:48,170 Speaker 1: how to fly. And I have other things for you 94 00:04:48,210 --> 00:04:51,190 Speaker 1: to do. And you've gotten too cozy. And I remember 95 00:04:51,230 --> 00:04:52,870 Speaker 1: being in my prayer closet. And again, this is not 96 00:04:52,890 --> 00:04:55,710 Speaker 1: what I was praying about. And I said to him, surely, Lord, 97 00:04:55,750 --> 00:04:59,460 Speaker 1: you don't mean da-da-da-da-da. And he was silent. And whenever 98 00:04:59,500 --> 00:05:01,419 Speaker 1: the Lord is silent after he said something, you're like, 99 00:05:01,660 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: oh my gosh. So I remember praying about that and 100 00:05:03,900 --> 00:05:06,220 Speaker 1: being like, okay. And then I went to do a 101 00:05:06,220 --> 00:05:09,789 Speaker 1: different job. And three different prophetically gifted people who did 102 00:05:09,830 --> 00:05:11,970 Speaker 1: not know me from Adam, like did not know me 103 00:05:12,050 --> 00:05:16,250 Speaker 1: from Adam, had similar prophetic words. One girl walked up 104 00:05:16,290 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 1: to me and she goes, she's like a young teenager. 105 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: She doesn't know who I am. I'm like, your mom 106 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: might like me, but yeah. She says, I'm like new 107 00:05:24,580 --> 00:05:27,390 Speaker 1: to prophecy. Can I tell you something? And I said, sure. Like, 108 00:05:27,430 --> 00:05:29,530 Speaker 1: I was like, look, it's safe space where we were 109 00:05:29,570 --> 00:05:31,270 Speaker 1: like a house party, you know, like a, like a 110 00:05:31,310 --> 00:05:33,970 Speaker 1: dinner party, like a Bible study. I said, yeah, like, listen, 111 00:05:33,990 --> 00:05:35,710 Speaker 1: if it doesn't mean anything, then you just shake it off. 112 00:05:35,770 --> 00:05:39,529 Speaker 1: And she said, do lilies mean anything to you? And 113 00:05:39,589 --> 00:05:42,610 Speaker 1: I said, well, it's my last name. So like she goes, 114 00:05:42,970 --> 00:05:44,910 Speaker 1: I said, why? She goes, well, I was looking at you. 115 00:05:45,820 --> 00:05:48,100 Speaker 1: And I kept seeing a water lily. And I said, Lord, 116 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,610 Speaker 1: what does this mean? And he said, you know, water 117 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,370 Speaker 1: lilies are really interesting because they look so delicate on 118 00:05:53,390 --> 00:05:57,089 Speaker 1: the surface. But when a storm comes, water lilies are 119 00:05:57,110 --> 00:05:59,410 Speaker 1: the only thing that survive because their roots grow. They 120 00:05:59,450 --> 00:06:02,690 Speaker 1: grow from the ground up. Okay, so like my dress 121 00:06:02,710 --> 00:06:05,530 Speaker 1: for the premiere, I'm getting a custom gown made. And 122 00:06:05,610 --> 00:06:07,370 Speaker 1: my designer, not knowing that, goes, what do you think 123 00:06:07,390 --> 00:06:09,250 Speaker 1: about water lilies? So I'm wearing a water lilies dress 124 00:06:09,270 --> 00:06:11,900 Speaker 1: to the premiere of Jimmy. Anyway, I'd gotten multiple words 125 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: like this. So October of 2023 rolled around and it 126 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,789 Speaker 1: was like everything that could have been pruned back in 127 00:06:20,830 --> 00:06:25,070 Speaker 1: my life career-wise was pruned. Like I was like going 128 00:06:25,110 --> 00:06:27,669 Speaker 1: from a tree to like a dry stick in the 129 00:06:27,710 --> 00:06:30,310 Speaker 1: wind with no, like you might as well just throw 130 00:06:30,330 --> 00:06:32,380 Speaker 1: me in the fire while you're at it because like 131 00:06:32,630 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: I'm just dry wood at this point. And I didn't 132 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: do anything. I didn't do anything to deserve it. It 133 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,589 Speaker 1: was just like the Lord just like with a machete, 134 00:06:40,730 --> 00:06:43,420 Speaker 1: like cutting off all this, like what I thought was 135 00:06:43,500 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: great fruit. I was like, Lord, I don't know what. 136 00:06:46,620 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: And while it was happening, it was very painful. All 137 00:06:49,860 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: of it felt like very deep betrayal. Like it was 138 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,580 Speaker 1: very multilayered, horrible. And every time I wanted to get 139 00:06:54,660 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 1: mad at the person, I would hear the Lord say, remember, 140 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,140 Speaker 1: this is me. You're not allowed to get mad. This 141 00:07:01,220 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: is me. I'm doing this. It's me. And I was like, 142 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: So I went through just this like two year season. 143 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,820 Speaker 1: I'm still almost in it. Like Jimmy was the start 144 00:07:12,860 --> 00:07:15,370 Speaker 1: of getting out of it. So here's what's interesting. So 145 00:07:15,390 --> 00:07:18,870 Speaker 1: two years later, I'm also again, like I'm praying. I 146 00:07:18,890 --> 00:07:21,110 Speaker 1: do this every morning and I'm in prayer time, not 147 00:07:21,150 --> 00:07:23,090 Speaker 1: thinking about anything. And all of a sudden, one of 148 00:07:23,110 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: the prophetic words I got was this woman. She walked 149 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:26,860 Speaker 1: up to me and she goes, you're in a boat. 150 00:07:27,510 --> 00:07:30,250 Speaker 1: And you are in a little rowboat and you're about 151 00:07:30,290 --> 00:07:33,050 Speaker 1: to go through a serious storm. And she said, water 152 00:07:33,110 --> 00:07:34,530 Speaker 1: is going to fill your boat. She was going to 153 00:07:34,550 --> 00:07:36,950 Speaker 1: be there many times where you are going to start sinking. 154 00:07:37,050 --> 00:07:39,030 Speaker 1: And you're like, surely this is it. I'm drowning and 155 00:07:39,050 --> 00:07:41,110 Speaker 1: I'm not going to survive. The Lord wants you to 156 00:07:41,150 --> 00:07:43,130 Speaker 1: know he's with you in the boat and you will 157 00:07:43,150 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: make it to the other side. Okay, so this is 158 00:07:44,740 --> 00:07:46,540 Speaker 1: like another word that I got that I'm holding on to. 159 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,820 Speaker 1: I'm in my prayer time. And all of a sudden, 160 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: out of nowhere, I remember that boat. And I see 161 00:07:55,660 --> 00:07:58,420 Speaker 1: myself like get to the other side. I hit the 162 00:07:58,460 --> 00:08:00,580 Speaker 1: shore in my, like I was having like a daydream 163 00:08:00,620 --> 00:08:04,210 Speaker 1: vision in, in my prayer time. And I was like, Lord, 164 00:08:04,230 --> 00:08:06,130 Speaker 1: and he goes, you just got to the other side. 165 00:08:06,290 --> 00:08:08,430 Speaker 1: And I remember I actually cried and I was like, Lord, 166 00:08:09,450 --> 00:08:11,090 Speaker 1: I'm glad I got to the other side, but like, 167 00:08:11,430 --> 00:08:13,500 Speaker 1: it's been really nice in the boat with you as 168 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: horrible as it is. You've been so close to me. 169 00:08:16,780 --> 00:08:18,380 Speaker 1: Like this was how I, this was the season I 170 00:08:18,420 --> 00:08:22,020 Speaker 1: wrote my devotional. Like I had such good times with 171 00:08:22,060 --> 00:08:24,570 Speaker 1: the Lord. even when, because he's like closer than a 172 00:08:24,590 --> 00:08:27,060 Speaker 1: brother when things are going hard. So I was like, 173 00:08:27,100 --> 00:08:28,180 Speaker 1: I don't know that I want to get out of 174 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,140 Speaker 1: the boat, Lord, because like I'm, your presence is enough. 175 00:08:31,340 --> 00:08:34,500 Speaker 1: Like if I don't ever accomplish something else, like the 176 00:08:34,590 --> 00:08:36,550 Speaker 1: sweetness of your presence is enough. Like I don't want 177 00:08:36,590 --> 00:08:37,970 Speaker 1: to leave your presence. I don't want to get out 178 00:08:38,010 --> 00:08:39,469 Speaker 1: of this boat if it means like you're not getting 179 00:08:39,510 --> 00:08:44,050 Speaker 1: out with me. So he doesn't say anything else. 30 180 00:08:44,050 --> 00:08:46,330 Speaker 1: minutes later, probably, I get a call from Billy Halliwell, 181 00:08:46,350 --> 00:08:48,830 Speaker 1: who's my co-host on Into the Supernatural. And he's like, hey, 182 00:08:48,870 --> 00:08:50,950 Speaker 1: I just got this call from this woman named Angela Sullivan, 183 00:08:50,970 --> 00:08:53,430 Speaker 1: who's one of the producers of Jimmy Stewart. And how 184 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,900 Speaker 1: would you like to play Gloria? And I was like, what? 185 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,260 Speaker 1: And he goes, yeah, they're making a story about Jimmy Stewart. 186 00:09:00,260 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: And Angela called me and was like, can you think 187 00:09:01,860 --> 00:09:04,339 Speaker 1: of any actresses that can play a mom that feel 188 00:09:04,380 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: very fancy, but totally are just like a mom in 189 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:08,719 Speaker 1: real life? And he was like, well, yeah, Jen Lilly 190 00:09:08,740 --> 00:09:11,250 Speaker 1: has like a thousand children and she is an actress. 191 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: And so Angela said, oh my gosh, Jen Lilly's the 192 00:09:15,100 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 1: top of my list. She's like number one out of 193 00:09:17,780 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: five and she's on another producer's list, but we haven't 194 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,150 Speaker 1: asked her because we didn't think she would do it. 195 00:09:22,179 --> 00:09:25,150 Speaker 1: And I'm like, what? So anyway, so Billy got me 196 00:09:25,190 --> 00:09:27,190 Speaker 1: in touch and I read the script and then I 197 00:09:27,250 --> 00:09:29,150 Speaker 1: still had to meet Aaron, the director, who was like, 198 00:09:29,190 --> 00:09:31,650 Speaker 1: what's the thing about this girl? Like, why is she 199 00:09:31,670 --> 00:09:34,050 Speaker 1: so special to you guys? And then I got on 200 00:09:34,070 --> 00:09:36,510 Speaker 1: this Zoom with Aaron and I looked much more not 201 00:09:36,550 --> 00:09:38,410 Speaker 1: like today. I mean, my hair was washed, but like, 202 00:09:38,460 --> 00:09:40,660 Speaker 1: I'm not wearing, you know, eyeshadow and all those fancy things. 203 00:09:41,500 --> 00:09:43,370 Speaker 1: And we just bonded over like he has five kids 204 00:09:43,429 --> 00:09:44,990 Speaker 1: and I have four, which is like, you know, just 205 00:09:45,030 --> 00:09:46,490 Speaker 1: a lot. And he was like, what do you do 206 00:09:46,510 --> 00:09:48,270 Speaker 1: in your spare time? And I'm like, well, in between 207 00:09:48,309 --> 00:09:50,349 Speaker 1: this Zoom meeting or whatever, I had been building like 208 00:09:50,510 --> 00:09:52,990 Speaker 1: I had been farming and like a woodland trail for 209 00:09:53,010 --> 00:09:54,850 Speaker 1: my kids. And he was like, you are so Gloria. 210 00:09:55,330 --> 00:09:57,290 Speaker 1: So that's how I got the movie. So I'm really 211 00:09:57,350 --> 00:10:00,140 Speaker 1: happy to be in this movie. And and I know 212 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: that it was the Lord because like I did not 213 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,700 Speaker 1: audition for it. And I did not like, I had 214 00:10:05,740 --> 00:10:08,540 Speaker 1: also gotten a word in that interim, like a year 215 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,300 Speaker 1: prior where this other prophetic woman who does not know me, 216 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,550 Speaker 1: she said, I just want you to know you're being 217 00:10:14,590 --> 00:10:16,929 Speaker 1: talked about in rooms right now. And you don't even 218 00:10:16,970 --> 00:10:19,130 Speaker 1: know the people, but like your name is in other 219 00:10:19,150 --> 00:10:22,510 Speaker 1: people's mouths. And I was like, okay. So when I 220 00:10:22,550 --> 00:10:25,870 Speaker 1: got this call, I just, it just, to me, it's 221 00:10:25,950 --> 00:10:29,449 Speaker 1: such a gift from God because I didn't apply for 222 00:10:29,490 --> 00:10:30,380 Speaker 1: it and I didn't know about it. 223 00:10:31,390 --> 00:10:33,570 Speaker 2: Amen. Billy's a good friend of mine. I did not 224 00:10:33,630 --> 00:10:36,850 Speaker 2: know this. I did not know this story. That's amazing. 225 00:10:36,870 --> 00:10:39,630 Speaker 2: And I'm so thankful that he helped you out because 226 00:10:39,670 --> 00:10:42,829 Speaker 2: this is an exciting movie and I'm looking forward to 227 00:10:42,870 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 2: watching it. You said you go to a prayer closet. 228 00:10:47,220 --> 00:10:49,219 Speaker 2: There was a movie several years ago called War Room 229 00:10:50,260 --> 00:10:53,290 Speaker 2: where I think the grandma went to the prayer closet. 230 00:10:54,309 --> 00:10:55,830 Speaker 2: I don't want to stay on this for too long, 231 00:10:55,890 --> 00:11:00,510 Speaker 2: but briefly tell us why you do that. Is it 232 00:11:00,590 --> 00:11:03,449 Speaker 2: simply to get away from distractions in the world while 233 00:11:03,490 --> 00:11:05,650 Speaker 2: you pray? I mean, I want you to speak to 234 00:11:05,690 --> 00:11:09,230 Speaker 2: people who have never done this, but perhaps just consider it. 235 00:11:19,330 --> 00:11:22,150 Speaker 1: Yeah. One, in a simple way, yeah, it is to 236 00:11:22,190 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: get away from distractions. You know, we are far too accessible. 237 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,860 Speaker 1: I would just absolutely love it if like a meteor 238 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,100 Speaker 1: shower came and took the internet down. I would be 239 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,740 Speaker 1: very happy to go back to like landlines and not 240 00:11:32,780 --> 00:11:36,510 Speaker 1: being so available at all times. So yeah, one, it's 241 00:11:36,530 --> 00:11:38,990 Speaker 1: to get away from distractions and away from my kids. 242 00:11:39,230 --> 00:11:41,270 Speaker 1: I mean, I love them, but you know, like there 243 00:11:41,309 --> 00:11:43,829 Speaker 1: are bigger fish to fry than like you need more 244 00:11:43,929 --> 00:11:46,030 Speaker 1: apple juice and you are totally capable of going and 245 00:11:46,050 --> 00:11:48,170 Speaker 1: getting your own apple juice. You know, like you don't 246 00:11:48,190 --> 00:11:51,150 Speaker 1: need me to do that. But also, I mean, the 247 00:11:51,170 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 1: main reason I pray is because we are so privileged 248 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,820 Speaker 1: that God co-labors with us. You know, God is, is 249 00:11:58,860 --> 00:12:01,940 Speaker 1: the God of impossible. He, if we really believe in God, 250 00:12:01,980 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 1: then like we have to sit and think about the 251 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,740 Speaker 1: fact that like he laid the stars in Orion's belt. 252 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: Like he is who he says he is in Job. 253 00:12:08,820 --> 00:12:12,100 Speaker 1: Like he created God. something out of nothing. He is 254 00:12:12,140 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 1: the reason the laws of physics exist. He loves to 255 00:12:16,380 --> 00:12:22,740 Speaker 1: thrive in impossible situations. And yet in his infinite wisdom 256 00:12:22,940 --> 00:12:26,589 Speaker 1: and ability to do this all on his own, it's like, 257 00:12:26,630 --> 00:12:28,770 Speaker 1: what does scripture say? Who is man that you are 258 00:12:28,850 --> 00:12:31,890 Speaker 1: mindful of him? It says that Jesus went in his 259 00:12:32,010 --> 00:12:35,270 Speaker 1: resurrection because he conquered hell and death. He gave us 260 00:12:35,350 --> 00:12:38,670 Speaker 1: his authority. He delegated it to us. And I truly 261 00:12:38,740 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: believe that God, while he can do everything, if you 262 00:12:42,020 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 1: really look at scripture, God chose to partner with humanity. 263 00:12:45,660 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 1: He gave us, he made us his hands and feet. 264 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: He gave us his authority. And I believe that if 265 00:12:50,740 --> 00:12:54,380 Speaker 1: we are not praying, we like heaven cannot move. Like 266 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,370 Speaker 1: heaven needs to partner with earth. Like as it is 267 00:12:58,420 --> 00:13:01,189 Speaker 1: in heaven, Lord, your kingdom come, your will be done 268 00:13:01,390 --> 00:13:03,449 Speaker 1: as it is in earth. Like as it is in heaven, 269 00:13:03,570 --> 00:13:06,620 Speaker 1: so shall it be in earth. Like we break things. 270 00:13:06,650 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: There is a spiritual realm going on at all times. And, 271 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: you know, if people don't believe that, like, it's very 272 00:13:13,260 --> 00:13:15,580 Speaker 1: interesting to me that people would believe in, like, ghosts 273 00:13:15,780 --> 00:13:18,119 Speaker 1: and things that are totally demonic, by the way. I 274 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: believe people see ghosts. I think that they are demons. 275 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,060 Speaker 1: I know that they are demons. It's a whole different 276 00:13:22,100 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: conversation for another day. But, you know, like, people believe 277 00:13:26,179 --> 00:13:28,839 Speaker 1: in the spirit realm, but then they still believe in God. 278 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,180 Speaker 1: And it's like, but if you believe in this, like, 279 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,030 Speaker 1: then the other has to exist. And I love to 280 00:13:34,070 --> 00:13:37,650 Speaker 1: partner with God in prayer because it's like God doesn't 281 00:13:37,690 --> 00:13:40,050 Speaker 1: need permission to move and yet he needs permission to 282 00:13:40,090 --> 00:13:42,750 Speaker 1: move because that's the system he set up. Like he 283 00:13:42,910 --> 00:13:46,190 Speaker 1: loves to get involved, but he is a gentleman and 284 00:13:46,250 --> 00:13:49,569 Speaker 1: he wants to be invited. Like God loves to be invited. 285 00:13:49,970 --> 00:13:53,500 Speaker 1: And at the same time, I'm so grateful to be 286 00:13:53,580 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: able to invite him to intervene in my situation because 287 00:13:56,020 --> 00:13:59,510 Speaker 1: like we really are nothing without him. It really is like, 288 00:13:59,590 --> 00:14:01,850 Speaker 1: who is man that you would be mindful of him, Lord? 289 00:14:02,130 --> 00:14:04,290 Speaker 1: Who am I that you would be mindful of me? 290 00:14:04,790 --> 00:14:07,689 Speaker 1: I can't do anything. I'm a hard worker, but in 291 00:14:07,830 --> 00:14:10,510 Speaker 1: all of my striving, I might never get a door open. 292 00:14:10,860 --> 00:14:12,510 Speaker 1: And Lord, you can open a door that no man 293 00:14:12,530 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: can shut. You can close doors that no man can open. 294 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 1: Who am I to not want to partner with the 295 00:14:17,620 --> 00:14:21,540 Speaker 1: creator of all things to say, Father, I have anxiety 296 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,020 Speaker 1: about this. I'm going to cast my anxieties and my 297 00:14:24,060 --> 00:14:26,490 Speaker 1: cares on you because you care for me. And you 298 00:14:26,550 --> 00:14:28,750 Speaker 1: are faithful to your word. When I am faithless, you 299 00:14:28,790 --> 00:14:32,070 Speaker 1: are faithful. You will oversee your word to perform it. 300 00:14:32,170 --> 00:14:34,870 Speaker 1: So like God, I don't know how to move. I 301 00:14:34,910 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: don't know how to get out of this situation. Like 302 00:14:37,250 --> 00:14:39,300 Speaker 1: I'm free falling and it does feel like I'm going 303 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: to die, Lord. But like you told me like you're 304 00:14:41,380 --> 00:14:43,540 Speaker 1: going to teach me how to fly again. So like 305 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: could you put some wind underneath these wings? Because I'm 306 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,479 Speaker 1: freaking out a little bit here. But like you told 307 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,270 Speaker 1: me this is coming. So like please do it. You know, 308 00:14:51,310 --> 00:14:53,750 Speaker 1: like I love to pray. I love to pray. 309 00:14:55,050 --> 00:14:57,450 Speaker 2: Yeah, prayer is the vehicle that God has chosen to 310 00:14:57,490 --> 00:15:01,710 Speaker 2: work through. And I think we say the right words 311 00:15:01,750 --> 00:15:04,310 Speaker 2: about prayer, but we don't practice it. And I just love, 312 00:15:04,550 --> 00:15:06,570 Speaker 2: I love your heart, and we need to learn to 313 00:15:06,610 --> 00:15:08,790 Speaker 2: do that. Let's talk about a couple of books that 314 00:15:08,850 --> 00:15:13,430 Speaker 2: you have written. One of them actually led to industry 315 00:15:13,450 --> 00:15:16,109 Speaker 2: on college campuses. I think it's called, actually, I forgot 316 00:15:16,130 --> 00:15:17,010 Speaker 2: the name of it. Help me out here. 317 00:15:17,050 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: It's called Wake Up Your Faith. Yeah, this is a 318 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:25,050 Speaker 1: 365 devotional. I vowed to never write a I'm not 319 00:15:25,090 --> 00:15:28,180 Speaker 1: a big fan of devotionals, usually, because I sometimes find 320 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:30,700 Speaker 1: the devotionals can be like a crutch for not reading 321 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: your Bible. And I'm like, I can't do more for 322 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: you than the Word of God. But Broad Street, my publisher, 323 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,580 Speaker 1: was so kind in that they just humored me and 324 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: they let me be as in-your-face about who God is 325 00:15:42,780 --> 00:15:46,470 Speaker 1: and as encouraging as I'm trying to be. It's like, 326 00:15:46,950 --> 00:15:49,730 Speaker 1: wake up, oh sleeper. The verse on the back, I 327 00:15:49,750 --> 00:15:52,290 Speaker 1: remember getting my copy and being like, Jen, you're such 328 00:15:52,410 --> 00:15:55,750 Speaker 1: a zealot that you chose this verse. Wake up, sleeper, 329 00:15:55,830 --> 00:15:59,450 Speaker 1: rise from the dead. Christ will shine on you. Ephesians 5, 14, 330 00:15:59,450 --> 00:16:01,850 Speaker 1: but it's true. It's like, if you are not, if 331 00:16:01,870 --> 00:16:04,550 Speaker 1: you have never encountered the love of Jesus, if you 332 00:16:04,570 --> 00:16:07,070 Speaker 1: grow up and you have faith, but like you have 333 00:16:07,110 --> 00:16:09,870 Speaker 1: never encountered the love of God for yourself, we're like, 334 00:16:09,990 --> 00:16:11,950 Speaker 1: I'm talking like you got wrecked because you had a 335 00:16:12,030 --> 00:16:14,870 Speaker 1: personal revelation of how much Jesus loves you. Like this 336 00:16:14,910 --> 00:16:17,109 Speaker 1: book is for you because he's alive and he's active. 337 00:16:17,150 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: And like the faith walk is so fun. It's so 338 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,350 Speaker 1: fun to be a Christian. It's not easy. It's certainly 339 00:16:24,410 --> 00:16:26,690 Speaker 1: not easy, but it's such a fun adventure to be 340 00:16:26,710 --> 00:16:29,010 Speaker 1: able to partner with the Holy Spirit. And so, yeah, 341 00:16:29,070 --> 00:16:31,390 Speaker 1: it's like it takes down a journey. I mean, every 342 00:16:31,430 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: single month is a different theme to really like sharpen 343 00:16:36,900 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: your tool and sharpen your sword of the Spirit to 344 00:16:39,820 --> 00:16:42,740 Speaker 1: set captives free, not to wound them. And I mean, 345 00:16:42,780 --> 00:16:45,070 Speaker 1: it changed me writing it. It changes me reading it. 346 00:16:45,180 --> 00:16:47,450 Speaker 1: I mean, when I read it, I'm just so aware 347 00:16:47,500 --> 00:16:49,410 Speaker 1: of the fact that the Holy Spirit was definitely in 348 00:16:49,430 --> 00:16:51,780 Speaker 1: this because I don't know, like if you ever make 349 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:53,620 Speaker 1: notes in your Bible and then you go back and 350 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:54,950 Speaker 1: you read your Bible and you read a note and 351 00:16:54,970 --> 00:16:57,170 Speaker 1: you're like, that was a really good thought. Huh, I'm 352 00:16:57,190 --> 00:16:58,970 Speaker 1: glad I wrote that note. You know, that's how I 353 00:16:59,010 --> 00:17:00,710 Speaker 1: feel when I'm reading my devotional again. I'm like, oh, 354 00:17:00,730 --> 00:17:03,750 Speaker 1: that is, it's like, oh, I've never thought of that before. 355 00:17:03,790 --> 00:17:05,510 Speaker 1: But of course I have because I wrote this. I 356 00:17:05,630 --> 00:17:08,330 Speaker 1: don't know, like it's a really fun devotional. I like it. 357 00:17:08,710 --> 00:17:10,510 Speaker 1: Use it as an appetizer or a dessert to the 358 00:17:10,590 --> 00:17:12,170 Speaker 1: actual word of God, who is the bread of life, 359 00:17:12,190 --> 00:17:12,860 Speaker 1: who is Jesus. 360 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 3: Amen. 361 00:17:14,180 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 1: I started a campaign called Wake Up Your Campus and 362 00:17:17,980 --> 00:17:23,389 Speaker 1: it's to spread... revival across college campuses. And it's been interesting. 363 00:17:23,430 --> 00:17:25,950 Speaker 1: I started it in the spring. I learned a lot. 364 00:17:26,650 --> 00:17:29,369 Speaker 1: I'm piloting it with seven schools right now in the fall. 365 00:17:29,410 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: And I'm also beta testing an app that I developed 366 00:17:32,460 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 1: for it. But it's like a 30-day challenge basically to 367 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: get students like if they will engage with the devotional, 368 00:17:40,700 --> 00:17:44,340 Speaker 1: which is like totally free for them. It's online. They 369 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,889 Speaker 1: just like give me their name, cell phone and email 370 00:17:46,970 --> 00:17:50,100 Speaker 1: just so I can notify them. They read a pre-picked 371 00:17:50,150 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: devotional and they do like a one-sentence takeaway. I enter 372 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,540 Speaker 1: them to win $ 1, 000 in weekly Starbucks gift cards. But 373 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: what I found in the spring is that those who 374 00:17:58,700 --> 00:18:02,540 Speaker 1: engaged came back an average of seven times. One girl 375 00:18:02,580 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 1: as many as 90 times she engaged with it. And 376 00:18:05,260 --> 00:18:08,820 Speaker 1: the entries and the feedback that these kids actually put, 377 00:18:08,859 --> 00:18:10,540 Speaker 1: like I was expecting them to be like, this is dumb. 378 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 1: You know, like that's their feedback. This is stupid. Like 379 00:18:13,420 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: you stink. There's something not as nice. But they wrote 380 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,950 Speaker 1: things like, I didn't know that it was God's righteousness 381 00:18:21,020 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: that made me righteous. I didn't know that I could 382 00:18:24,260 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: be made clean. I fought with my mom, like, I 383 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,659 Speaker 1: have a really hard-hung life, and I think I'm going 384 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: to forgive my mom. It was like, I'm weeping reading 385 00:18:32,740 --> 00:18:36,050 Speaker 1: their takeaways in my back-end system. And I'm like, Lauren, 386 00:18:36,090 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: you are so faithful to your word to oversee it. 387 00:18:39,150 --> 00:18:41,449 Speaker 1: And if I have to give these college kids the 388 00:18:41,470 --> 00:18:45,689 Speaker 1: chance at winning $ 1, 000 or weekly Starbucks cards, so be it, 389 00:18:46,030 --> 00:18:48,850 Speaker 1: you know? Like, you're the treasure of all treasures, God. 390 00:18:48,910 --> 00:18:51,939 Speaker 1: So I'm doing that and just trying to be faithful 391 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:53,980 Speaker 1: with it and then constantly pray, like, what are we 392 00:18:54,020 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: doing next, Lord? So. 393 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:56,980 Speaker 2: So Wake Up Your Campus is the name of this. 394 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 2: And for students who want to get more information, is 395 00:18:59,460 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 2: maybe your Instagram or is it a website? 396 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:07,179 Speaker 1: Yeah, wakeupyourcampus.com. And same thing for people. It's a 501c3. 397 00:19:07,780 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 1: It's a part of my ministry. So it's a write-off 398 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:11,820 Speaker 1: if people want to support, they can. 399 00:19:13,660 --> 00:19:15,699 Speaker 2: Are you seeing a movement of God on college campuses 400 00:19:15,820 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 2: like a lot of people are. 401 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:21,050 Speaker 1: Seeing, Jen? Yeah, I am. I definitely am. With mine, 402 00:19:21,070 --> 00:19:24,820 Speaker 1: I'm seeing... less of like a mass scale, which is 403 00:19:24,859 --> 00:19:26,980 Speaker 1: what I want. But I remember before I launched it too, 404 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,780 Speaker 1: the Lord was like, do not measure this with human metrics. 405 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:34,500 Speaker 1: And I'm like, I love human metrics, but I read 406 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: the takeaways and I'm like, okay. I know when we 407 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:38,780 Speaker 1: started it last spring and it was a whole lot 408 00:19:38,820 --> 00:19:40,660 Speaker 1: of work and like, I'm not paying myself for the work. 409 00:19:40,850 --> 00:19:42,550 Speaker 1: You know, like I don't pay myself a salary. I'm 410 00:19:42,570 --> 00:19:45,229 Speaker 1: just spending hours and hours like developing it. And my 411 00:19:45,270 --> 00:19:48,290 Speaker 1: husband said, when I developed, when I got the vision 412 00:19:48,330 --> 00:19:50,169 Speaker 1: for it, he goes, we have to resolve it our 413 00:19:50,210 --> 00:19:53,170 Speaker 1: hearts that if only one student comes to the Lord 414 00:19:53,210 --> 00:19:55,859 Speaker 1: because of it, like it's worth, it's worth the investment. 415 00:19:56,060 --> 00:19:58,689 Speaker 1: And so I'm like, that's how I'm trying to measure it. 416 00:19:59,180 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: But I know God loves all people, but he really 417 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,540 Speaker 1: loves Gen Z. And I love that Gen Z in 418 00:20:05,580 --> 00:20:07,580 Speaker 1: some ways is like the hippies, you know, like they 419 00:20:07,619 --> 00:20:10,100 Speaker 1: just want the truth. And they're looking for it in 420 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,609 Speaker 1: all the wrong places. But when they find it, when 421 00:20:12,630 --> 00:20:15,109 Speaker 1: they find him, it's going to be like the Jesus 422 00:20:15,130 --> 00:20:17,330 Speaker 1: People movement, except with the internet. So think about the 423 00:20:17,369 --> 00:20:20,590 Speaker 1: revival that would outbreak because you can't silence them. Like 424 00:20:20,690 --> 00:20:22,130 Speaker 1: once they found the truth, they're going to be so 425 00:20:22,170 --> 00:20:24,060 Speaker 1: loud about it. It's going to be awesome. 426 00:20:25,380 --> 00:20:28,500 Speaker 2: As we close here, let's talk briefly about the other 427 00:20:28,540 --> 00:20:32,420 Speaker 2: book that we mentioned called Call to Foster and Honest 428 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,290 Speaker 2: Guide to Getting Started. And I believe you co-authored it 429 00:20:35,330 --> 00:20:38,980 Speaker 2: with Dr. John DeGarmo. I guess this is kind of 430 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,649 Speaker 2: a starter guide for those who are looking to foster? 431 00:20:42,070 --> 00:20:43,869 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a starter guide. It's exactly what it is. 432 00:20:43,970 --> 00:20:46,290 Speaker 1: It's a very honest guide for what does it look 433 00:20:46,310 --> 00:20:48,650 Speaker 1: like to be a foster parent? Why should I care? 434 00:20:48,790 --> 00:20:50,149 Speaker 1: How do I get involved if I don't want to 435 00:20:50,190 --> 00:20:53,060 Speaker 1: be a foster parent? Or, you know, I'm curious and 436 00:20:53,100 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: what do I need to do? It's kind of a 437 00:20:54,780 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 1: starting guide for all of that. And then also, even 438 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 1: if you have like a friend who's fostering, it's to 439 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,450 Speaker 1: hopefully give you some perspective about like, what we walk 440 00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:05,330 Speaker 1: through as foster parents, what it feels like, what it's like, 441 00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:09,890 Speaker 1: because it's not normal parenting at all. It's just such 442 00:21:09,930 --> 00:21:13,170 Speaker 1: a different world. You can love these children and you 443 00:21:13,210 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: should love these children as much as your own and 444 00:21:15,910 --> 00:21:19,540 Speaker 1: you should welcome them into your home with a non-biased 445 00:21:19,580 --> 00:21:22,500 Speaker 1: heart like the Lord welcomes us into his kingdom. And 446 00:21:22,540 --> 00:21:26,719 Speaker 1: yet you cannot apply the same parenting skills that you 447 00:21:26,740 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 1: would with your own kids who have not experienced trauma. 448 00:21:29,260 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: So it's a bit of an eye-opener. And so I 449 00:21:31,500 --> 00:21:34,340 Speaker 1: think that if you know anybody that is fostering or 450 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: they're in your family, I would urge you to read 451 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,980 Speaker 1: it because they need a lot of support. Like foster 452 00:21:39,010 --> 00:21:41,350 Speaker 1: parents need a lot of support. The good foster parents 453 00:21:41,410 --> 00:21:44,889 Speaker 1: burn out pretty quickly because it's a hard system. But 454 00:21:44,910 --> 00:21:47,270 Speaker 1: it's something that I think as Christians, we're all called to. 455 00:21:49,950 --> 00:21:52,610 Speaker 3: If you enjoyed today's interview, please make sure to subscribe 456 00:21:52,650 --> 00:21:55,020 Speaker 3: and share the episode with a friend. A big thanks 457 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 3: to the team at Life Audio for their partnership with 458 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,010 Speaker 3: us on the podcast. If you go to lifeaudio.com, you 459 00:22:01,050 --> 00:22:05,630 Speaker 3: will find dozens of other faith-centered podcasts in their network. 460 00:22:06,130 --> 00:22:06,730 Speaker 2: See you next time.