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Now let's roll. 21 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: Hello everybody, Welcome back into the Built Different Podcasts is always. 22 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 2: I'll be your host today, doctor Zach Clinton, and we 23 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: are here backstage at our Ignitement's Impact Weekend. And let 24 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,919 Speaker 2: me say this, God has fallen all over this place. 25 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 2: I'm not sure I've ever seen an altar call like 26 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 2: what we saw last night, following Pastor Tim Timberlake's message 27 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 2: on shutting the door of sin in our life, a 28 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 2: message really redirecting us toward a posture of repentance. Thousands 29 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: of men coming forward broken. I've never heard the sound 30 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 2: of men weeping like I heard last night. But to 31 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 2: be honest with you, it wasn't just the sound of weeping, 32 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: It was the sound of healing. God is doing something here. 33 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 2: Forty five hundred men packed out House Thomas or a 34 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: Baptist church. 35 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: God is all over. 36 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 2: But this morning we got to hear from one of 37 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 2: America's finest, a true American patriot, in John Wayne Walding. 38 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: John Wayne was actually born on July fourth. It does 39 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 2: get more American than that. Then he was born in Texas. 40 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 2: Then on top of that, he was a Green Bray sniper. 41 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 2: So all of these things. I love what you said 42 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 2: on stage. A bald eagle probably flies over top of 43 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: our heads every time you mentioned that. But John Wayne 44 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: in the United States Army for twelve years, for seven 45 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 2: eight of those he was a Green Beret American sniper. 46 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: He is a man who knows what it means to 47 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 2: serve who knows what it means to sacrifice, and he 48 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 2: is a man who has an unbelievable story. 49 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: John wayn Waldey, my friend, thank you for joining me today. 50 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 3: Man, thanks for having me. And I mean it when 51 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 3: I say this, it's an honor to share the stage 52 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 3: with the great men that you have on that stage. 53 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 3: And for no better purpose, right calling men to stand 54 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 3: up and act like a man and do what God's 55 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 3: called him to be. 56 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 4: Right. 57 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 3: So yeah, thank you for giving me that you humbling opportunity. 58 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: Say this, my friend. This morning, you gave such a pointed, 59 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: directed message that I believe God used to pierce the 60 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 2: heart of a lot of men in the room to 61 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 2: get back to work, to get back up, to be 62 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 2: a man of a vulnerability, a man of intentionality. So 63 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 2: many things that will unpack even during our time together today. 64 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 2: But I just wanted to ask you, as you stepped 65 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 2: on a stage with forty five hundred men, places packed 66 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 2: out to the brim, like, what was God doing and 67 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: massaging in your heart as you took the stage in 68 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 2: those moments? 69 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 3: Well, I always pray before I ever go out is 70 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 3: God you know? Don't let me for a second, let 71 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 3: me think this is about me, right, this is your message. 72 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 3: Humble me to say it right, give me the courage 73 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 3: to to say it with confidence and with boldness. 74 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 4: Right. 75 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 3: I've been blown up a few times, right, so give 76 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 3: me the focus to be able to articulate that and 77 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 3: not stumble over my words. And the most important one. 78 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 3: I always end every prayer with God, just give me 79 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 3: one right. 80 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 4: And that's why I was there. 81 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 3: You know, when I see all those men in there, 82 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 3: I just want one right to to to get something 83 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 3: from my testimony that brings them to Jesus. 84 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 2: A when what I loved and so appreciated about your 85 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 2: message is that it was one of vulnerability. You unpacked 86 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: a story that I think blew the room away, blue Meal. 87 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 2: Take us back April sixth, two thousand and eight, because 88 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: we're going to talk about that day, all the events 89 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 2: leading up to it. 90 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: We're going to unpack that story. 91 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 2: But then we're going to talk about April seventh as well, 92 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 2: and what God has done in your heart since. 93 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: Take us back to that day though. 94 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, April six two thousand and eight is where my 95 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 3: Special Forces team, right. So they're called an ODA for 96 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 3: those that don't know, it stands for operational detachment Alpha 97 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 3: Alpha so ODA three three three six, which is twelve 98 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 3: to fifteen man, which I love that there were twelve disciples, right, 99 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 3: and Oda is about twelve guys. 100 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 4: Uh. 101 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 3: But we went up against around two hundred and fifty 102 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 3: insurgents and two thousand up at ten thousand feet to 103 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 3: go after a high value target by the name of 104 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 3: hi Hajigafour. And Hajigafour was a man that was in 105 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 3: He was in charge of the HIG, which is an 106 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 3: Islamic extreme fundamentalist. You know, if you actually know Islam, 107 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 3: it's not extreme, it's just fundamental what they're practicing, right, 108 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 3: And so he was an exomic fundament fundamentalist that that 109 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 3: we've been wanting to get the entire deployment. And his 110 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 3: stronghold was at ten thousand feet up in the nearest 111 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 3: n province, and so we were on a kill capture 112 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 3: mission that morning, going in via helicopters at this as 113 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 3: the sun came up and landed at the bottom of 114 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 3: that mountain in a waddie which for the listeners that's 115 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 3: just a valley, and imagine what it was like. You know, 116 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 3: I said, everybody's got a plan to get punched in 117 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 3: the face right. The theologian Mike Tyson said that, right, 118 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 3: So think about what it was for us whenever we 119 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 3: actually go to run out the backside of that helicopter, 120 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 3: which is a C forty seven Chinnook that's got a 121 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 3: ramp coming out the back. To give you an understanding 122 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 3: that we're going to go run out of that helicopter, 123 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 3: but we're not on the ground. Right that valley is 124 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 3: so boulder and rocky that that it wasn't safe to land. 125 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 3: So we had to jump ten fifteen feet with sixty 126 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 3: pounds of kit. You know, that was the that was infill. 127 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 3: Right now, we have to walk up a mountain, climbing 128 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 3: the mountain to get to the objective. And and uh, 129 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 3: I was the assault team one leader which was myself, 130 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 3: Dave Sanders, another Green Beret, and eight Afghany commandos. In 131 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 3: the Afghani commandos were the Afghan's version of special forces, right. Uh, 132 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 3: they were pipe hitters. There was a selection just like 133 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 3: we had and and for the Afghanian army, you know, 134 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 3: they were the elite and and uh and so yeah, 135 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 3: being the first guys walking up this this essentially goat 136 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 3: trail is what we were. You know, if you've ever 137 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 3: been on a mountain, right, there's no eight a accessible 138 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 3: you know, ramps that you just go up there and 139 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 3: and find any type of foothold you can to get 140 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 3: to the objective. And and we got opened up on 141 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 3: with an avalanche of gunfire that uh, we for sure 142 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 3: didn't expect. We we we we expected to receive, you know, 143 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 3: some type of fire. That's Sar's our job, right to 144 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 3: go pick a fight. We didn't know there was going 145 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 3: to be you know, a roughly two hundred to two 146 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty insurgents, right. We thought at most there 147 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 3: would be sixty, right and most, And like I said 148 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 3: earlier this morning to put it in perspective, within the 149 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 3: first ten minutes of the firefight starting, you know, we 150 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 3: had our lead interpreter, Ck was shot in the forehead. 151 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 3: Ck died on impact, and I do want to take 152 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 3: two seconds to just really give him praise. You know, 153 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 3: you're thinking Americans worth a lot of money in Afghanistan. 154 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 3: What about an Afghani that speaks English and helps Americans? Right, 155 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 3: The courage that those interpreters have, the patriotism, frankly that 156 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 3: they have for their country that they are you know, 157 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 3: I get to go to war but then come home 158 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 3: to safety. 159 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 4: Right. 160 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 3: They live at war in the time and danger all 161 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 3: the time. 162 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 4: Right, So. 163 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 3: For the sacrifices that those interpreters give, if you ever have, 164 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 3: you know, an opportunity to meet it, we call them terps. 165 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 3: Right to meet a terp, I mean, I really strongly 166 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 3: suggests you go shake their hand, because they're absolute patriots. 167 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 3: So so yeah, c K got shot and unfortunately died instantly, 168 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 3: fortunately for him, died instantly, right. And you know we 169 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 3: had Dylan Bear was our radio transmitting operator, right, the 170 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 3: guy that's on the phone talking to higher kind of 171 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 3: important guy. 172 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 4: You know. 173 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 3: He got shot in the hip and the initial assessment 174 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 3: him was twenty minutes to live, you know. And and 175 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 3: think about you know, you're always doing math right when 176 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 3: you're in combat, you know I said earlier. You know, 177 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 3: nothing went wrong. We just got in a fight, right. 178 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,719 Speaker 3: And when you get in a fight somebody gives you 179 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 3: a left hook, what do you got to do? Do 180 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 3: the math on how do you block it? And how 181 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 3: do you counter? It's the same thing in combat. 182 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 4: Right. 183 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 3: If if this door shut, how what you know, where's 184 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 3: the other door? There's not a door. Where's the window. Right, 185 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 3: If you ain't a window, get a ladder, get on 186 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 3: the roof. We're getting in this house, right, and and 187 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 3: so that's what we just started. 188 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 4: You do the math. All right, he's shot. 189 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 3: There's no way that you know, we're gonna get a 190 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 3: Metovac bird there. There's no way we're going to suppress 191 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 3: the enemy to allow it in. There's no way we're 192 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 3: gonna even gonna get off this mountain, you know. So 193 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 3: immediately the you know, Dylan's dead. Luis morales Is is 194 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,719 Speaker 3: shot not long after that, not once, but twice, by 195 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 3: the way, in his leg, which was always the joke, 196 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 3: you know, because he said I was a wimp because 197 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 3: I only got shot once and I lost the leg. 198 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 3: He got shot twice and he kept his you know, 199 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 3: but actually he ended up electively amputating it for for 200 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 3: but but anyway, the you know, seeing him, you know, 201 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 3: get shot like that was was something that at the 202 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 3: you know, going through the mindset of him calling you 203 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 3: over the radio saying, come get me brother, right, that's 204 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 3: a that's a tough. 205 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 4: Thing to hear. Wow. 206 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 3: And you know, again this was probably the first fifteen 207 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 3: minutes and and at that point, going back to doing 208 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 3: the math, right, you go to work, right, there's no 209 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 3: way we can go up the mountain, right, with every injury, 210 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 3: that takes two more guys out of the fight, because 211 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 3: it takes two guys to carry up the mountain. There's 212 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 3: only ten of us on the mountain, right, so do 213 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 3: the math. Right, there's that where there's no way we're 214 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 3: going to get up. So now we got to come 215 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 3: back down. And you know, that's when I came back 216 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 3: and initiated you know what I thought was Operation Human Shield, basically, right, 217 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 3: catch the bullets so the medic can keep them alive. 218 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 4: And Ron the medic did a great job. 219 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 3: He's an absolute stud I you know, he actually received 220 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 3: the Medal of Honor for his heroism, for his his 221 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 3: just combat under fire or courage under fire, you know, 222 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 3: for for keeping us alive that day. But after about 223 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 3: two hours into that, that's whenever I was moving from 224 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 3: one position the next. And because again I always try 225 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 3: to put into perspective, we're fighting on goat trails, right, 226 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 3: It's not like this huge parking lot of you know, 227 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 3: field that we have to maneuver around. You're fighting shoulder 228 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 3: to shoulder with these these men. And so I was 229 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 3: trying to maneuver to get advantage point, you know, on 230 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 3: a bad guy. And that's whenever I got, you know, 231 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 3: shot in my right leg. And you know, the most 232 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 3: pain ever felt in my life felt forward rolled over, 233 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 3: you know, and and just think about the image of 234 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 3: rolling over and seen your leg just folded over at 235 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 3: a forty five degree angle, only hanging by an inch 236 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 3: of flesh. That's something that you've only ever seen on 237 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 3: movies like a Save It Private Ryan movie or something 238 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 3: like that. 239 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,839 Speaker 4: And and you. 240 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 3: Know, it was terrifying to me. I make it a 241 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 3: point every time I tell the story. You know, just 242 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 3: because my name's John Wayne and I'm a Green Beret 243 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 3: doesn't mean I'm not human, right, It doesn't mean I 244 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 3: didn't grab my green beret and rubbed my stump and 245 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 3: says I didn't have time to bleed, right. I mean, 246 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 3: it was terrifying to look down and see that that 247 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 3: the severity of the injury. And oh, by the way, 248 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 3: I'm dying right, I can do that math real quick 249 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 3: when you know you're gonna bleed out quickly if you 250 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 3: don't do something soon. And fortunately, you know, I went 251 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 3: to work. I collected myself quickly and and uh, you 252 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 3: know got my turn. Cat On stopped the bleeding. At 253 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 3: one point actually grabbed my leg I folded up into 254 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 3: my crotch and held it between my thighs and just 255 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 3: you know, kept fighting. 256 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 4: After that. 257 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 3: We're only halfway through this thing, man, you know, I 258 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 3: just you know, think about that. Right halfway you know 259 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 3: through that, I see my team start and get shot 260 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 3: Scott Ford, and the significance of that is Team Sartens. 261 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 4: They are the leader, right. 262 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 3: You know, Scott had been in the military sixteen years, 263 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 3: all the cool guys schools in the eighty second earyborn 264 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 3: before he was in third Special Forces Group. You know, 265 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 3: I always jokingly say, you know, I thought he was 266 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 3: so awesome that Chuck Norris were Scott Ford underwear, right, 267 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 3: you know that's you know, yeah, for younger listeners. If 268 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 3: you don't know who Chuck Norris is, he was a 269 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 3: theologian the nineties. You know, look up Walker Texas right here. 270 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 3: Get you. But uh, you know, I just what do 271 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 3: you think your mind goes through whenever you see the 272 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 3: guy that's going to get you out of there. Now 273 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 3: he's got hitting his breastplate and he dropped to his 274 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 3: knee and he's closer for me to you right. 275 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 4: Uh. 276 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 3: Fortunately getting Scott's as awesome as I say he was, 277 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 3: and he got up went back to work. Gosh, I 278 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 3: never will forget the thought of man, that guy is 279 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 3: an absolute stud. And uh continued to fire, you know, 280 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 3: the breastplate call caught the bullet. Sure there's some pain, 281 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 3: you know, but he continued to fight. And and unfortunately 282 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 3: the same sniper that shot me, I'm assuming you know, 283 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 3: shot him in the breastplate. Well he made a you know, 284 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 3: a correction, and and uh, he got shot in his 285 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 3: left shoulder, which he's left handed, you know, So imagine 286 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 3: that the vision of somebody holding the gun with that 287 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 3: butt stock in their left hand, and then there's just 288 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 3: arm fil a off the back right and it was 289 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 3: his tricep to arm stayed on. But you know, seeing 290 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 3: that's when I realized, all right, we're probably not going 291 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 3: to make it out of here. Right again, you're doing 292 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 3: the math right, Scott shot, I'm shot, Luis shot, Dylan's shot. 293 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 3: See case dead again. There's only ten of us on 294 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:20,359 Speaker 3: the mountain, man, and how are we gonna get off here? Well, fortunately, 295 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 3: the powers that be above us, they thought the same 296 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 3: thing and they started diverting every air asset I'm assuming 297 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 3: in theater, right, not just in Afghanistan, but all in 298 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 3: the surrounding area, and started dropping bombs and gun runs 299 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 3: and more bombs and more gun runs and going back 300 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 3: to their seventy danger close air strikes, right. 301 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 4: And that's how we got off the mountain. 302 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 3: You know that we would drop a bomb and we 303 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 3: would you know, the goat trail that we were climbing 304 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 3: was the easy way up, you know, the cliff was 305 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 3: the hard way down. So we would just literally I 306 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 3: never will forget, you know, the hardest thing. 307 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 4: You know. 308 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 3: So I've been shot, you know a couple hours now, 309 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 3: three hours probably, and to scoot you know, on my 310 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 3: butt to that ledge and throw myself over to let 311 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 3: gravity do his job or have Ron you know, lower 312 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 3: me down, and things of that nature. It was the 313 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 3: hardest thing I could ever even think about the hardest 314 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 3: things I've done before. Then we're pretty hard, right, And 315 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 3: just seeing the life drain out of me, it was 316 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 3: you know, I knew that, you know, death was coming, 317 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 3: but again, just kept fighting. 318 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 4: And I said this morning that you. 319 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 3: Know, I remember having that conversation with God, you know 320 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 3: about this is all I got, you know, and look 321 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 3: for the listeners like this wasn't this dramatic, like you know, 322 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 3: what's his name on Shawshank Redemption. When he got out 323 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 3: his hands are up, it's rain end, right, It wasn't that, 324 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 3: you know, God, this is all I got. It really 325 00:15:49,760 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 3: was not necessarily desperation. Just what's the word surrender, that's 326 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 3: the word surrendering saying this is all I got. I 327 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 3: make it out of here's because of you. And I'm 328 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 3: just gonna keep trying. There's you know, there's nothing that 329 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 3: I'm gonna do to get me out of here other 330 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 3: than I'm just gonna keep working, right and and so 331 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 3: knowing you know that that he saved me was was 332 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 3: we would just again drop a bomb, you know, roll 333 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 3: off the cliff all the way down the base of 334 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 3: the mountain and to get to the metavac point, the 335 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 3: medical evacuation point right was in the middle of the water. 336 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 3: And in order to get there, I had to get 337 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 3: drug through the water, a river of water. And and 338 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 3: you know, think about what that felt like. Right where 339 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 3: you get shot, you know, you're dying of blood loss 340 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 3: and now you're getting you have hypothermia, going through there 341 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 3: getting drugged through there and seeing that that helicopter elevator 342 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 3: down with that red cross on the bottom of it, 343 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 3: knowing that's your your cheriot awaits right and it's coming down, 344 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 3: and Scott's in front of me his arms bandaged up 345 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 3: at this point and seeing the helicopter fly away. You know, 346 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 3: you heard the radio traffic this morning ride saying Roger 347 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,239 Speaker 3: Rock confirmed nine casualties. We also have radio traffic of 348 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 3: the pilots saying I'm hit, I'm hit. I'm going south. 349 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 3: He literally got shot as he was coming down. He 350 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 3: had to fly away, you know, So again going to 351 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 3: the mindset of all that's happened at this point, right, 352 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 3: and now not only has my chariot gone, but I'm 353 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 3: getting shot at again, yes, right, and we got to 354 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 3: get drug back through the river and get to the 355 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 3: base of the mountain. The next helicopter comes in, and 356 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 3: it's not a metavac bird, it's just a it's called 357 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 3: an ORF and Air Reaction Force, which is a black 358 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 3: Aucy eight sixty with some guys on it. It lowers, 359 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 3: they jump off, literally throw us on, and then it 360 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 3: flies away and it couldn't even make it to the hospital. 361 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 3: We had to do a crash landing after about ten 362 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 3: minutes of flight because the damage that that aircraft took 363 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 3: getting us out of there, and you know, it couldn't 364 00:17:58,600 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 3: even make it, you know. 365 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 4: So I was like, come on, baby, Jesus, you know 366 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 4: what I'm saying. 367 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 3: I had a hypothermia, gunshot wound, Almundna in a in. 368 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 4: A helicopter crash. 369 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 3: But fortunately we got a third helicopter to come in 370 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 3: and we crossloaded everyone and you made it to the 371 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 3: combat hospital. 372 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 2: I'm going to stop this right there and jump in 373 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 2: to say you're listening to build Different I'm Zach Clinton. 374 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,959 Speaker 2: We need to break for a brief message from our sponsors. 375 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 2: I'll be back with our guests to keep the conversation 376 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 2: flowing right after this. 377 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 1: You're listening to life audio. 378 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 2: I can't even I can't even put into words, John Wayne, 379 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 2: just when you hear stories like that, just the comfort 380 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 2: that we live in here in America. I was taught 381 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 2: at a very young age the freedom isn't free. I'll 382 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 2: never forget my dad taking me to the Arlington National Cemetery, 383 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 2: seeing the you know, finely manicured lawns and all the 384 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 2: white marble headstones. Two of the unknown soldier and just 385 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 2: like being mesmerized because my dad is just trying to 386 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 2: get to me this idea, man, that what you have 387 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 2: in terms of the privileges here in America are being 388 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 2: paid for by brave men and women, courageous men and 389 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 2: women just like yourself. And I'm thinking about just going 390 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 2: back to this moment of what happened on April six. 391 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 2: I remember years ago at Ignite, we were interviewing Marcus Letreul, 392 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,719 Speaker 2: the lone survivor, and he said something that stuck with 393 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,719 Speaker 2: me because I want to understand the psyche, the mentality, 394 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 2: the resilience that was hardwired within you leading up to 395 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 2: that event. Right, that just doesn't happen instantaneously. It's something 396 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 2: that was hardwired, and there was some backwater to your story. 397 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 2: I'm sure that led to the resilience and the adaptability 398 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 2: that you showed. But he said this, when I knew 399 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 2: I was going to die, I fought differently like when 400 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 2: I knew I was going to die, it was like 401 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 2: I'm giving everything I got. Oh, you know what, they're 402 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 2: in for a dog fight type of thing. Like you said, 403 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 2: just go to work. I believe that there's nothing more 404 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 2: dangerous in the world than a passive man. And so 405 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 2: speak to just for a moment, John Winning this idea 406 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 2: of what was the mentality and what was the backwater 407 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 2: that brought you to that moment to have enough mental 408 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 2: fortitude to say I'm just gonna go back to work. 409 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 4: You never rise up to the occasion. 410 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 3: You fall back on your training, right, and that really 411 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 3: is the catalyst of going to that point. 412 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 4: Right is. 413 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,239 Speaker 3: Again it's just math. Right do you what do you 414 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 3: How do you react to contact? Well, there's a react 415 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 3: to contact drill. 416 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 4: Right. 417 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 3: How do you set up an ambush? Well, there's an 418 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 3: ambush drill right there and there. And so when you 419 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 3: get to that point, you just go to work and 420 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 3: you fall back on your training, on the highest level 421 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 3: of training that you have. And it could be as 422 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 3: simple as find a head, put it down right. You 423 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 3: could be as simple as where can I find better cover? 424 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 3: You'd be as simple as you know, check my bandages, 425 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 3: make sure the tourny kit's good, right, And and so 426 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 3: with that being said, that's just what you do. There's 427 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 3: that and I won't quit. That's my superpower. I'm not strong, 428 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 3: I'm not smart, I'm not fat, you know, I'm not tall. 429 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 4: I'm not you know, you always. 430 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 3: Jokingly say when someone introduces me, you know, sorry, I'm 431 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 3: not taller, right, because my resume didn't you know, reflect 432 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 3: just this five you know, eight and a half one 433 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 3: hundred and eighty pound guy. Right, But you're not gonna 434 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 3: outwork me, ever, And that's something that again you fall 435 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 3: back on as your level of effort. I knew that 436 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 3: I was trained at the highest level right that the 437 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 3: soldiers get trained. And I knew I'd never quit, and 438 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 3: most importantly, the guy to my left and right was 439 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 3: never going to quit. And you put those three things 440 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 3: into an algorithm, and that's where greatness happens. Right, Just 441 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 3: like the twelve Disciples fought to the death, guess what 442 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 3: our brothers are willing to do. We're willing to fight 443 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 3: to the death. And I think that's what Marcus was 444 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 3: getting at is when you fight from that posture, there's 445 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 3: nothing you can't stop nothing nothing, Yeah, nothing can stop you. 446 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 2: I remember a friend of mine, Garrett uncle Bac, who 447 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 2: served on Seal Team three. He talks about you mentioned 448 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 2: the word greatness and he said that greatness is a 449 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 2: biblical Hebrew term. It actually means acquiring all that God 450 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 2: has for you. A lot of men settle for some 451 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 2: things or one thing, but they don't go out and 452 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 2: get all the things. And I believe this the greatness 453 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 2: is reserved for those who just simply refuse to give up. 454 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: You were in a moment. 455 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 2: After April sixth that, to be honest with the John Wayne, 456 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 2: it would have been easy to just give up, to 457 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 2: throw in the towel. I'm sure there was a lot 458 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,239 Speaker 2: of doubt, a lot of frustration, Like, God, me, why 459 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 2: would you allow this to happen to me? I think 460 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 2: I'm a good man. I'm serving our country. I'm sacrificing 461 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 2: literally to the point of death. I'm watching my brothers 462 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 2: die around me, Like, why would you allow me to 463 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 2: go through such hardship? Because then comes April seventh, and 464 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 2: you have a choice to make. Because my idea is this, 465 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 2: every man has to be and I think this separates 466 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 2: manhood from boyhood. It's responsibility. Every man has the ability 467 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 2: to respond appropriately no matter their circumstances. And so when 468 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 2: April seventh comes around, that's the question you said that 469 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 2: nobody really asks you about. Talk to me about the 470 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 2: decision you had to make internally. 471 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, boys make an excuse. 472 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 3: A man takes a responsibility, right, fact, and I refuse 473 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 3: to make excuses. I will forever take responsibilities. And look, 474 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 3: real talk. I was terrified, yeah, of course, right, for sure. 475 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 3: The there was so much fear, anger, doubt, insecurities, like 476 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 3: all the things that that men have, you know, looking 477 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 3: down and seeing that that one foot sticking up and 478 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 3: going back to efforts my superpower will now the the 479 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 3: inevitability of that word, right, the inevitability of no matter 480 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 3: how many sit ups I do, I can't take another 481 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 3: step without a prosthesis, right, no matter how many pushups 482 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 3: I do, no matter how much effort I give, I 483 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 3: am a disabled man without help. 484 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 4: Right. 485 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 3: And and that's why I use that word inevitability, you know, specifically, because. 486 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 4: There's just a. 487 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 3: There's no way around it, right. And the greatness with that, though, 488 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 3: is surrender. Right to realize I ain't got this, right, 489 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 3: that one of the most dangerous things a man could 490 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 3: ever say is I got this. 491 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 4: I don't need you, Lord, I got this. 492 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 3: And having that inevitability of I can't walk it humbled 493 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 3: me to a point to where I could surrender to 494 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 3: God and then say okay, because remember I I did 495 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 3: have that conversation with God. If I make it out 496 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 3: of here is because of you, and for the listeners, 497 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 3: please hear me when I say on April seventh or six, 498 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 3: two thousand and eight, I wasn't near the follower of 499 00:24:55,880 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 3: Jesus that I was today, right faith, And at that point, 500 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 3: you know, it was like I was a Southern boy, right, 501 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 3: I believe in Jesus just like I did the cowboys, 502 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 3: Sweet Tea and George Strait, right, Like that's just what 503 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 3: you do. You go to church on Sunday, have some 504 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 3: fried chicken and you know, master tails of gravy, right. 505 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 4: Like, that's just what you do. 506 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 3: And and so it really wasn't for me this identity 507 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 3: of a relationship with abba Father, right that I go 508 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 3: to him in my fears, I go to No, I 509 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 3: go to me in my fears. Right that that's the 510 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 3: type of during that time, right, and and and so 511 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 3: at that point, to to have God humble me and 512 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 3: and and allow me to surrender to him is what 513 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 3: drove me to the greatness that I am now right 514 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 3: and and and and what's taught me the good and struggle, Right, 515 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 3: and that's just a message that I want to just 516 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 3: beat home and just grab guys and just beat him 517 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 3: over the forehead with it, because that's how I react, 518 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 3: That's how you know, that's what I in order for 519 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,719 Speaker 3: me to really take it in is to do that 520 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 3: is to let them know, hey, man, God's not doing 521 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 3: this to you, He's doing it for you, right, and 522 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 3: and allow you know, the American values is awesome. I'm American, 523 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 3: love this country, right, love me some bald eagles and everything. 524 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 3: It is so hard to have those values with Christianity 525 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 3: because it's my money and I want it now, right, 526 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 3: that's the American ways consumerism. Right, I'm bigger, stronger, faster, 527 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 3: like all the things. And it's the antithesis whenever you're 528 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 3: following Christ, right, that you've got to surrender you. 529 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:36,360 Speaker 4: You know, like one of the. 530 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 3: Most probably important things that you can pray for with 531 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 3: God is patience, right, have the patience. I don't know 532 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 3: and I'm probably not going to know tomorrow, and guess 533 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 3: what I might not know next year. 534 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 4: Right. 535 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 3: Think about the woman that bled for how many years 536 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 3: when it's twelve something like that. You got that much 537 00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 3: faith she did right after year after year. That's a 538 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,479 Speaker 3: lot of patience. Is what I'm trying to get to. 539 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 3: And so that's, you know, something that I just feel 540 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 3: God's called me to just remind guys that one it's 541 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 3: supposed to be hard, right, it's supposed to be hard. 542 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 3: Get up, be a man, and do the hard work. 543 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 3: You'll be better for it. 544 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 2: Like you said, suffering doesn't just happen to you, It 545 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 2: happens for you, and you'll learn a whole lot more 546 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 2: through pain than you could have ever learned through prosperity. 547 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 2: That's what I found true in my life every time 548 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 2: I've hit the valley. The Puritans called it the valley 549 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 2: of vision for a reason. They didn't get the vision 550 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 2: from the mountaintops. It was when they were walking in 551 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 2: through the suffering, through the valley seasons of life that 552 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 2: God shows them what they're made of. You don't find 553 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 2: out what you're made of sitting on a beach sip 554 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,959 Speaker 2: in a pinicolata, right. You find out when you're in 555 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 2: the most difficult seasons of your life, because that's where 556 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 2: God typically reveals himself the most to us and where 557 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 2: he refines us to make us more like him. I'd 558 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 2: love for you to share you shared some lessons that 559 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 2: you learned whether it was about humility, whether it was 560 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 2: about vulnerability, whether it was about intentionality. That I think 561 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 2: really helps set the table and really are just core 562 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 2: pillars of what biblical masculinity needs to be all about. 563 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 4: Yeah. 564 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 3: Well, a godly man's a grateful man, right. A godly 565 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 3: man doesn't whine all the dead gun time, right. A 566 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 3: godly man doesn't just you know, what's the word, blame others? Yep, right, 567 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 3: and have hatred in his heart. A godly man is 568 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 3: grateful for the struggles in his life. I am so grateful, 569 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 3: and I mean this, I am so grateful God took 570 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 3: my leg. You ever had anybody tell you that before? 571 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 3: I am so grateful that I'm an amputee for the 572 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 3: rest of my life. Why because God has humbled me 573 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 3: to get a relationship with Him that I never would 574 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 3: have been able to have because of the arrogance, the ego, 575 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 3: the unfortunately the capability that I had. Right that, you know, 576 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 3: the hardest person to ever try to disciple is a 577 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:59,719 Speaker 3: successful man. He don't need God. Right, He's done this, 578 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 3: accomplished that, he sold this company, he's built this thing. 579 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 4: He's good. What does he need that? 580 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 2: Being? 581 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 3: Right? You know, there's a reason why Jesus started the 582 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 3: summer all the mountains blessed as a poor and spirit. 583 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 3: You've got to get to that poor spot in your 584 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 3: soul to know you need your creator right and and 585 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 3: that you cannot do it without him. And so a 586 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 3: godly man is a grateful man. He realizes that, right 587 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 3: that this uh, going back to the American you know, 588 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 3: culturalistic find your happiness, right that we're just out there 589 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 3: chasing happy you know, and even in college campuses now 590 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 3: and you know, it doesn't matter what that person is doing. 591 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 3: They validated by saying, oh, they're just it just makes 592 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 3: them happy. Let them be happy, you know, and we 593 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 3: forget that that happiness is tied to happenings, right, I 594 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 3: love and he said that, yeah, then when some good happens, 595 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 3: you're happy, and when some bad happens, you're sad. And 596 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 3: ultimately what that means is that you're putting yourself at 597 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 3: the center of your joy. And guess what, you're going 598 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 3: to forever let yourself down, right instead of that tethering 599 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 3: yourself to Jesus. And that's where you find real joy, right, 600 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 3: and that's where you can be happy. In five o'clock 601 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 3: traffic because you're grateful to God that you have a 602 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 3: job to go to to be in traffic in and 603 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 3: begin one right? Or are the jobs good enough to 604 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 3: where you can afford a car? Yes, right, and all 605 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 3: those things that it sounds trivial, but it's so true. 606 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 4: Right. 607 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 3: So a godly man's a grateful man. 608 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: Love that a grateful man. 609 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 2: There's a I remember reading a quote years ago that 610 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 2: I was kind of helped shape the lowest moment of 611 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 2: my life. It was what written by a woman named 612 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 2: Nancy Lee de Tomas, and she said, I've realized and 613 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 2: recognized that I can respond in one of two ways, 614 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 2: and no matter what circumstance I might come up against, 615 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 2: she said, I can whine or I can worship. And 616 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 2: it's impossible to worship without giving thanks. And like you 617 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 2: said in the valley, in the lowest moments, I really 618 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 2: learned what gratitude was all about, because I learned that 619 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 2: it was a choice to rejoice. I learned that victory 620 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 2: has a vocabulary. Some of the lessons that I feel 621 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 2: like God has taught me is what I try to 622 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 2: teach others men at the same time, just like you, 623 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 2: Because again, we learned so much in the midst of 624 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 2: our suffering, John Wayne, I'm just thinking about your story, 625 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 2: and I thinking about maybe somebody out there listening, whether 626 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 2: it's active duty military, whether it's a veteran, whether it's 627 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 2: somebody that has seen the atrocities of life, somebody who 628 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 2: has seen their brothers literally risk and give it all. 629 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 2: And I'm just thinking about how painful that must be. 630 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 4: Right. 631 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 2: I work in the mental health space, so post traumatic 632 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 2: stress disorder is something that I'm very familiar with and 633 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 2: working and walking alongside of countless veterans myself and man, 634 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 2: when I just think of the need for people, the 635 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 2: need for community, you said the three most dangerous words 636 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 2: a man can say, or I got this. What helped 637 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 2: you overcome some of the trauma of that day personally, 638 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 2: but also some of the things that you have seen. 639 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 2: You have literally seen evil and looked at dead in 640 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 2: the eyes on a daily basis. How does one begin 641 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 2: to heal from some of those wounds? 642 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 4: You go to work. 643 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 3: That's simple. You know that we've given so much what's 644 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 3: the word significance on our feelings? Right that if we 645 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 3: feel this, that makes it true? Therefore it is above 646 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 3: whatever anything else. No, that's not true at all, right 647 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 3: to you know, just think about you know how many 648 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 3: times your feelings lie to you a lot? 649 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 4: Right? 650 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 3: You know, God gave us feelings, don't get me wrong, 651 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 3: and they're they're a great gauge, but they're a horrible guide. 652 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 4: Right, Men need to just get up and go to work. 653 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 4: Get out. 654 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 3: You know there's a reason why there's six days to 655 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 3: work and only one day to rest, right, and so 656 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 3: stop worrying about your feelings and start going to work. 657 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 3: And that's that's what I did. And by no means 658 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 3: am I special or I have again these tips and 659 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 3: tricks to whatever you know, But you're asking me what 660 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 3: did I do? You know, I stopped pontificating about you know, 661 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 3: what headspace do I need to be in to best, 662 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 3: you know, navigate what God's put me on. 663 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 4: No, I just went to work and I failed. That 664 00:32:59,520 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 4: got up. 665 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 3: I went back to work and I failed, and I 666 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 3: got back up, and I went back to work, right 667 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 3: like it it. That's what I did differently, and I 668 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 3: never will forget. Whenever my wife and I we had 669 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 3: a whenever we moved back from Fort Bragg, and I 670 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 3: left every day I got up, did pt and I 671 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 3: left I didn't have a job. 672 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 4: Oh that's a good piece. 673 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 3: Of information here, right, Yeah, I just left and did 674 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 3: things and she started, you know, obviously, you know, confrontation 675 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 3: happened of hey, you don't have a job. Money costs, 676 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 3: the gas costs this and all the things. And I said, Babe, 677 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 3: for my entire adult life, I've gotten up and I've 678 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 3: gone to work. I'm not going to stop doing that now. 679 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 3: I don't know where this is taking me, but I 680 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 3: promise you, if you believe in me, it's going to 681 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 3: take us somewhere. And because of that, you know, I've 682 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 3: gotten to be where I am today, and I just 683 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 3: I thank God for him giving me the I will 684 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 3: never quit inside of me. Right that, by the way, 685 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 3: the addictive trait that I have to where I'm just 686 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 3: going to keep going and keep going and keep going. 687 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 3: And I want all the people out there, you know, 688 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 3: let me just say a little bit to the veterans 689 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 3: that you're talking about that are struggling, you know, first 690 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 3: and before I get there, Like that addictive trait is good. 691 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 3: It is a blessing. It's also a responsibility. Yes, right, 692 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 3: you are responsible where that addictive trait goes. Is it 693 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 3: towards something great, right, like growing the kingdom, like getting 694 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 3: in the gym, right, like all getting in the words, 695 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 3: all the things? Or is there something not great like 696 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 3: pornography or lust or what name you know, insert that here, right, 697 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 3: So don't think I want to strip the negativity that's 698 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,439 Speaker 3: attached to the addictive trait. 699 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 1: Right. 700 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 3: So if you if you all an attic, I got 701 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 3: these problems, okay, great, go point that asthma towards something 702 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 3: awesome and let a riptator chip. That's right, right, come on, 703 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 3: you know. And so there's that one. And now to 704 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 3: the veterans, I first want to let them know that 705 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 3: the ones that are struggling, all of them. But you know, 706 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,760 Speaker 3: obviously we're talking about the ones that are struggling. 707 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 4: You're not alone. 708 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 3: You know, if you think about you know, the devil 709 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 3: comes to kill, still and destroy, that's what he wants 710 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 3: to do to you, right, and and how does he 711 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 3: do that? 712 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 4: Will you's? 713 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 3: Uh uh? I forget the verse where he talks about 714 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 3: you know, he's like a roaring lying that's prowling around Peter. 715 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,800 Speaker 3: That one's Peter, right then, And when you think about 716 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 3: that line, that's prowering around on planet Earth what gazelle does. 717 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,839 Speaker 3: He take out the one that's alone, not the one 718 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:25,839 Speaker 3: that's in the middle of the herd. 719 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 4: Right. 720 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 3: He may push the herd, and the herd may run, 721 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 3: but there's always one that goes by himself, right, And 722 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 3: I want them to know that that herd is always there. 723 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 4: You're not alone. 724 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 3: Isolation will kill you. Get up, get out and again 725 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 3: go to work. Work could be just going fishing with 726 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 3: a guy, having coffee with a guy. Right, You're you're 727 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 3: not alone. And and another thing is this is specific 728 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 3: to to your relationship with Jesus. Because I've had a 729 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 3: lot of veterans tell me, man, you don't know what 730 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 3: I've done in my life, right, you don't know what 731 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 3: all I've you know, done to people and had to 732 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 3: do and all the things. And I say, you know what, 733 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 3: there's more grace in God. 734 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 4: Than sinning you. 735 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: So true. 736 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 5: Right, they need to know that, Yes, they do that 737 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 5: you have an awesome God that has more grace than 738 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 5: any sin that you could ever do, and he wants 739 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 5: that relationship with you. 740 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 4: Right, And never forget that. 741 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 2: Such a needed word for men out there who were 742 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 2: trying to navigate the complexities and the challenges of life. 743 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 4: Right. 744 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 2: War doesn't always stay overseas a lot of times that 745 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 2: war comes home with you, and that war can begin. 746 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 3: Too all the time, all the time, a lot of time, 747 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 3: all the time. Amen to every single person that had 748 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 3: to go down range. Regardless of what they did when 749 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,879 Speaker 3: they got back, they were different. And that's good, by 750 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 3: the way, exactly struggles good, struggles good. 751 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,800 Speaker 2: I was going to ask, because this was my next question, 752 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 2: was you come back, the amputation happens, and then you 753 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 2: go on to compete in all of these different and marathons, 754 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 2: right the Boston Marathon, what the New York City Marathon, 755 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 2: all of these things, and you're placing like in the 756 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 2: top tiers. So I've never met someone, John Wayne, that enjoyed, 757 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 2: I guess is the word. I will say, enjoyed, suffering 758 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,479 Speaker 2: and struggle as much as you just speak to again, 759 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,359 Speaker 2: just echo what you were just about to say. 760 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,240 Speaker 3: Well, there's a saying in the Special Forces called embrace 761 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,799 Speaker 3: to suck. I've heard that one, right, yes, embraces because 762 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,800 Speaker 3: you know, in fact, when I ran the Dallas Marathon, 763 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 3: I had that sticker on my leg, you know, but 764 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 3: that's just you know the meaning of that is is 765 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 3: you got to strip the negativity away from pain and 766 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 3: allow yourself to just sit in it and learn from it, 767 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,240 Speaker 3: because it's always for your good and his glory. 768 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 4: Right, and and that's that's it. 769 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,839 Speaker 3: Right, You get up, you go to work, and again 770 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 3: you got to be vulnerable with guys and let him 771 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 3: know you need the help. Yes, you know, think about Jesus, 772 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 3: the vulnerability that he had in the Garden of Gascimity, 773 00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 3: telling his father I can't do this. I'm terrified past 774 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 3: the cuff from me. Right, And if he can have 775 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 3: that vulnerability, why can't you? 776 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:07,439 Speaker 4: Right? 777 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,360 Speaker 3: And so get up, go to work. Yeah, it's supposed 778 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,720 Speaker 3: to be hard. I never will forget. I was running 779 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 3: with my daughter Andy, and she probably hate i'm telling 780 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 3: the story, but I was running with her and she 781 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 3: told me one day because she was falling behind, you know, 782 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,319 Speaker 3: and she's young, and I was like, come on, girl, 783 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 3: pick it up. 784 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,280 Speaker 4: She's like, we only have one leg that gets tired. 785 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 4: She was telling me. 786 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 3: She in her mind, I have it easier because I 787 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 3: only have one leg, right. 788 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 4: You know, but you know to that point, look, my 789 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 4: life is hard. 790 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 3: For the rest of my life, I will have to 791 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 3: use sixty percent more energy just to walk right. So 792 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,839 Speaker 3: if you run ten miles, I'm running sixteen. Wow, right, 793 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 3: and just think about you know, and I've learned so 794 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 3: much good from that. And I want the guys and 795 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 3: gals out there to know that struggles good, that lean 796 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 3: into it. 797 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:53,840 Speaker 4: You know that. 798 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,320 Speaker 3: I'll leave you with this man, there's a state saying 799 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 3: that my start major Mark you Banks just he was 800 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 3: like the me of g I Joe, just this big 801 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 3: barrel chested black guy with a Rathby voice. 802 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:05,880 Speaker 4: You know that. 803 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 3: He said, Man, when you're in that foxhole and it 804 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 3: gets tough, and people are dying and people are bleeding, 805 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 3: and you just got to lean forward and fight hard. 806 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 3: And that's just what it's stuck with me. It's lean 807 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:20,879 Speaker 3: forward and fight hard. 808 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:21,399 Speaker 4: Right. 809 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,360 Speaker 3: The struggles good, it's awesome, Lean into. 810 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 2: It, embrace the suck, lean forward, fight hard. John Wayne Waddie, 811 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 2: How I want to close our time together. I'll never 812 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 2: forget the first time we jumped on the phone call 813 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 2: and we talked about you coming to this event. I 814 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 2: thank you for your service. And when most men, when 815 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:44,400 Speaker 2: most veterans would say you're welcome, you said something different. 816 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,360 Speaker 2: And I want you to close with that message of 817 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 2: hope to every listener, to every audience member out there 818 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 2: about why you believe what you're about to say about them. 819 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 3: When you say thank you for my service, I don't 820 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 3: say you're welcome. I say you're worth it. Right, You're 821 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,839 Speaker 3: worth this leg that will never come back. You're worth 822 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 3: the names that never came home. You know, you're worth 823 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,479 Speaker 3: the sacrifice that all of the men and women gave 824 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 3: for the freedoms that we solely get to have in 825 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 3: this country. 826 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 4: Right, And that is not lost on me. 827 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,920 Speaker 3: And the reason why you're worth it is because this 828 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,759 Speaker 3: country is the greatest country that's ever existed. And it's 829 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 3: not because there's a grand canyon. It's because of the 830 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 3: men and women that are inside it that put God 831 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,759 Speaker 3: first and founded it on Judaeo Christian values. Right, that 832 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,319 Speaker 3: you are worth this fight, and I want you to 833 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 3: be worth it. 834 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:36,480 Speaker 4: Right. 835 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 3: I want you to know that the two hundred and 836 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 3: fifty years ago, when our forefathers fought tyranny, right, by 837 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 3: the way, the largest fighting force on the planet is 838 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 3: who they stuck a middle finger. To think about the 839 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 3: significance of what that was and how we should not 840 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,759 Speaker 3: have won this war, but God deemed it so we 841 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 3: could have the freest, most prosperous, most opportunities to place 842 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,360 Speaker 3: on the plant in it, you know. And the thank 843 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 3: you that you give to me that's given me that 844 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 3: validation is what makes it worth it, because we all 845 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,359 Speaker 3: have to answer that question when we lay our head down. 846 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 3: Is Ignite worth it? Right to the little of the 847 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 3: suffering that we do? 848 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 4: Worth it? 849 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 3: And I'm telling you, Jesus got on that cross because 850 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:18,440 Speaker 3: you're worth it. 851 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 2: Oh way, my friend, you are a gift to the church. 852 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 2: I believe this that this is just the beginning of 853 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,359 Speaker 2: a blossoming friendship and partnership through Ignite and what God 854 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 2: is doing and commissioning in and through you, my friend, 855 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 2: God has a special anointing on your life. What you 856 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,880 Speaker 2: brought today to the stage, the energy, the passion, the 857 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 2: message to these men, I know that they're going to 858 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,719 Speaker 2: go home and they're going to be better men and 859 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,640 Speaker 2: better husbands, and better fathers and better leaders because of. 860 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:47,239 Speaker 1: That very thing. 861 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 2: So man, thank you for an obedient Yes, thank you 862 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 2: for just showing up and continuing to allow God to 863 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,279 Speaker 2: use you in mighty ways. What I want to ask 864 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 2: is where can our audience members go to find out 865 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 2: more about you? Maybe to hear more about your story 866 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 2: too well. 867 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,080 Speaker 3: I always say I have the worst business plan when 868 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 3: it comes to speaking because I don't have social media, 869 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 3: I don't have an agency. 870 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,319 Speaker 4: If you do, go to john Waynewalding dot com. 871 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 3: There's a little bit about me there that I haven't 872 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:14,920 Speaker 3: updated in about five years. But you know, I have 873 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,799 Speaker 3: a privilege to serve on the board of directors for 874 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,839 Speaker 3: the Best Defense Foundation, where we take World War Two 875 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,399 Speaker 3: veterans back to Normandy on D Day. And we also 876 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,879 Speaker 3: have a Stronghold Program where we help veterans transition from 877 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 3: their service with mental health issues and everything in between. 878 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,800 Speaker 3: And so go look them up and if you'd like 879 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,200 Speaker 3: to be a part, come on Nowayne. 880 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you for your time, thank you for 881 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,399 Speaker 2: your service, for your sacrifice to our country. We live 882 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,319 Speaker 2: in the land of the read because it is the 883 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,120 Speaker 2: home of the brave. Thank you for being one of 884 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,239 Speaker 2: those brave and courageous men and women who risked it 885 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,439 Speaker 2: all laying down your life, just this Christ lay down 886 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,239 Speaker 2: his life for us. Thank you for having the humility 887 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:54,680 Speaker 2: and the service to do that. 888 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,680 Speaker 1: Very same thing. Thanks for joining me today. 889 00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,560 Speaker 2: Paul of our audience. Here a bill different. I just want 890 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 2: to say thank you so much for your time. I 891 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 2: hope and pray that you would have gleaned as much 892 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,440 Speaker 2: as I did just from John Wayne and his story 893 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,120 Speaker 2: that God can do something in and through you, in 894 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,480 Speaker 2: and through your suffering. So get back up, dust yourself off, 895 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,400 Speaker 2: get back to work because you don't have to be 896 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,279 Speaker 2: a victim when you can live in the victory that 897 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,960 Speaker 2: Christ has already won for you. 898 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,440 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. We love being 899 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 1: a part of your life.