WEBVTT - The Big Weekend Pod

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<v Speaker 1>hope you're out there working out on Saturday. Have a

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<v Speaker 1>big weekend pod for you, focused almost exclusively on Iran,

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<v Speaker 1>with a little bit of Minnesota, but mostly on Iran

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<v Speaker 1>because the war that looms there could be enormous, could

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<v Speaker 1>be huge. And the latest reporting that we've got from

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<v Speaker 1>the Times of Israel is that talks have been breaking down.

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<v Speaker 1>The Iranian senior officials have rejected President Trump's demand that

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<v Speaker 1>they curb their nuclear activities, turn over their physile material,

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<v Speaker 1>and get her to the missiles, the ballistic missiles which

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<v Speaker 1>threatened all of our allies, beginning with Israel, but also

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<v Speaker 1>the Golf Cooperation Council, Turkey, maybe Europe. They might be

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<v Speaker 1>able to go as far as Europe, and the said no.

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<v Speaker 1>So I expect something to happen. I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen this weekend, but it might. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a special emergency podcast that brought together all

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<v Speaker 1>of my interviews from the past three weeks with people

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<v Speaker 1>who know what they're talking about Iran, and they are

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<v Speaker 1>all available. Go over again to where we get your

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<v Speaker 1>podcast and you'll find that special emergency broadcast. But today

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<v Speaker 1>is a look back with Matt Continetti, Ben Dominich, Eli

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<v Speaker 1>Lake and John Ellis. If everything that's happened and what

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<v Speaker 1>might happen going forward, what they think is the best case,

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<v Speaker 1>what they think is the worst case, and what they

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<v Speaker 1>think are the risks. Do not miss a minute of

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<v Speaker 1>todays you here at show Welcome Back in America. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Hugh Hewittt joined by Matt Continetti. Matt is the head

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<v Speaker 1>of domestic studies at the American Enterprise Institute is a

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<v Speaker 1>calumnist for the Wall Street Journal. Welcome back, Matt, good

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<v Speaker 1>Friday to you. I want to start I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>spend most of our time on Iran and the United

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<v Speaker 1>States possibly going to war this weekend, but I want

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<v Speaker 1>to actually be in with Prime Minister kir Starmer visiting

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<v Speaker 1>China on his way out, he mumbled the name Jimmy Lai.

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Lai is a British citizen who is going to

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<v Speaker 1>die in solitary confinement. Did the Prime Minister do right

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<v Speaker 1>by a person who he is supposed to be pledged

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<v Speaker 1>to protect.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's a start to say his name, Hugh, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's clearly not enough. Jimmy Lai's legal saga has been

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<v Speaker 2>going on for years. We're all aware that he is

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<v Speaker 2>being held in terrible conditions. He is a champion of

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<v Speaker 2>freedom of a free press who has been libeled and

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<v Speaker 2>arrested by the Hong Kong authorities acting under Beijing's direction.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's good that Kirs Starmer mentioned Jimmy Lai, but

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<v Speaker 2>he needs to do so again and more loudly. And

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<v Speaker 2>I hope that President Trump brings up Jimmy Lai as

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<v Speaker 2>well as he heads into a meeting with Shijinping in

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<v Speaker 2>a few months in Beijing.

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<v Speaker 1>He has told me he has done it before. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure he'll do it again. But I think when you're bought,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're the head of your government is there, and

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't. He just mumbles on the way out. I

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<v Speaker 1>was very disappointed now to Iran. Well, first to the

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<v Speaker 1>media coverage of Iran. There are four stories today, Iran, Minnesota,

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<v Speaker 1>warship to the fad Reserve, and Don Lemon. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you think is the relative importance of those four and

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<v Speaker 1>what order, Matt.

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<v Speaker 2>Kane, are we ascending or descending? Well, obviously Don Lemon

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<v Speaker 2>is the least important. Yes, you know, I would say

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<v Speaker 2>Minnesota is next the number three important, but not as

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<v Speaker 2>important as the next head of the Federal Reserve, who

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<v Speaker 2>will have tremendous influence over the economy. And then, of

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<v Speaker 2>course Iran, which has been the nettle an American foreign

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<v Speaker 2>policy since the Islamic Revolution in nineteen seventy nine. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the most important story, and of course it's the one

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<v Speaker 2>that the media is covering the least.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my conclusion too. Why is it Do they lack

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<v Speaker 1>the ability, the understanding, the resource. We don't have any

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<v Speaker 1>reporters there. Obviously they'll go to jail. But why the reluctance,

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<v Speaker 1>Because I think a bit of it is a reluctance

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<v Speaker 1>to get into what Biden didn't do and what Obama

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<v Speaker 1>did do, and both of those were wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I have a rule, Hugh, which is that the

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<v Speaker 2>media can focus on only one story at a time,

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<v Speaker 2>and it tends to go for the shiniest object. That

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<v Speaker 2>often you know that, you know the cliche, If it bleeds,

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<v Speaker 2>it leads, And so you have the Minnesota story. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>with the killings of the two American citizens in the

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<v Speaker 2>course of two and a half weeks, that obviously has

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<v Speaker 2>seized the media's attention. But what Trump's if it bleeds

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<v Speaker 2>it leads is when you have the media reporting on itself.

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<v Speaker 2>And so as soon as Don Lemon was arrested, the

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<v Speaker 2>entire media landscape shifted to cover Don Lemon as if

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<v Speaker 2>he were the you know, a national emergency, and so

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<v Speaker 2>that media narcissism Trump's all. That may explain why we're

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<v Speaker 2>not hearing more about the very important developments in the person.

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<v Speaker 1>Our mutual friend Bill Bennett used to say, Americans have

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<v Speaker 1>trouble with proportionality. We've got at least thirty five thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dead people in Iran today. I saw from one of

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<v Speaker 1>the Iranian diasprin news organizations that's really sixty eight thousand

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<v Speaker 1>people were murdered by the regime. I don't think they

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<v Speaker 1>that that number gets through to people. It's just too

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<v Speaker 1>hard to imagine shooting that many people in cold blood.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, this is the Stalinist nature of the

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<v Speaker 2>Iranian mullus. What did Stalin say, You kill one person,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a tragedy. If you kill a million people, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a statistic. And the tens of thousands of people who

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<v Speaker 2>have been killed by the regime after the protests starting

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<v Speaker 2>last November, plus the tens of thousands more who are

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<v Speaker 2>in jailed by the regime and probably being tortured, that's

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<v Speaker 2>just too big to comprehend, and especially when the has

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<v Speaker 2>other stories that can chase much closer to home. But

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you're just tracking the developments, as I

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<v Speaker 2>know you have been all week, I mean, we are

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<v Speaker 2>putting in place the force is necessary to strike Iran.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know President Trump, he always leaves negotiations open,

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<v Speaker 2>but he usually acts on his threats. He did so

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<v Speaker 2>in Iran last July, and he did again in Venezuela

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<v Speaker 2>just at the beginning of this year. So I'd be

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<v Speaker 2>watching very carefully what's going to happen in the next

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<v Speaker 2>forty eight hours.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to talk about your guess, but I want

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<v Speaker 1>to read to the audience Open Source Intel, which is

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<v Speaker 1>an x account that I follow fairly closely. Usually reliable

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<v Speaker 1>senior US military officials have informed the leadership of a

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<v Speaker 1>key US ally in the Middle East that President Trump

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<v Speaker 1>could authorize an attack on Iran this weekend strikes and

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<v Speaker 1>convince as early as Sunday. I think that's actually credible.

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<v Speaker 1>But I also see that a lot of our big

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<v Speaker 1>airplanes moving things like bad Systems and Patriot missile are

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<v Speaker 1>still moving into the region. They got to protect.

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<v Speaker 2>Things, absolutely, yeah, And I think that's why Trump has

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<v Speaker 2>weighted to this point. He'll keep waiting until that air

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<v Speaker 2>defense is in place.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be right back with Matt during the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the break. Don't go anywhere America and give you it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm back with Matt Coney. Matt, as I imagine what

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<v Speaker 1>might happen over the weekend or next week. I know

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<v Speaker 1>that there are forty thousand American troops on ships and

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<v Speaker 1>on bases there. It's not without grave risk to our people,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't think that's fully baked into the equation yet.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you assess the up and the downside of

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<v Speaker 1>striking Iran?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think the f site is clear is that

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<v Speaker 2>you could deal a lethal blow to the missile program.

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<v Speaker 2>You could hit the nuclear remnants such as they are

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<v Speaker 2>after Operation Midnight Hammer once more, you would degrade the

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<v Speaker 2>security apparatus, the IRGC and the besieging militias that the

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<v Speaker 2>regime uses to enforce its will. And you know, more broadly,

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<v Speaker 2>you would set the conditions for an eventual regime collapse

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<v Speaker 2>when the Iranian people can exploit the weaknesses of the

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<v Speaker 2>regime which are many, and finally end the Iatola's rule.

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<v Speaker 2>The downsize a of course, retaliation attack on US forces

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<v Speaker 2>in the region, attack on the state of Israel. So

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<v Speaker 2>they have to be very careful and you have to

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<v Speaker 2>be prepared for whatever comes next. You also have to

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<v Speaker 2>be aware that President Trump has laid down a very

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<v Speaker 2>fine line here. He has said repeatedly that Iran needs

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<v Speaker 2>to stop killing its people. He has said that Iran

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<v Speaker 2>needs new leadership. Just the other day on the Red

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<v Speaker 2>Carpet for the Millennia movie, he said that he's demanding

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<v Speaker 2>that Iran ends its nuclear program entirely, verifiably, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>demanding that they end the killing of the protesters.

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<v Speaker 1>He may have left out a third.

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<v Speaker 2>Demand I think that we're making to the Iranians, which

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<v Speaker 2>is they have to curtail the missile program. These ballistic

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<v Speaker 2>missiles threat in Europe, they threaten our posts in the

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<v Speaker 2>Middle East. One day, they could thread in the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>They shouldn't be allowed. So he's laid down these lines, Hugh,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think he's prepared to enforce them. He's going

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<v Speaker 2>to do it on his schedule. And sometimes that takes

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<v Speaker 2>not just the enemy but also the media in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States by surprise. But once he's lays down these lines,

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<v Speaker 2>I think he knows that he has to act or

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<v Speaker 2>else he'd erode our deterrence rather than the Iranian regime.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're on the receiving end of the messages that

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<v Speaker 1>he'd been sent, are you confused about him? Are you

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<v Speaker 1>confused about the timing? And if you look back at

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<v Speaker 1>American history, it took us what seemed to be forever

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<v Speaker 1>to get ready to invade Iraq in nineteen ninety one,

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<v Speaker 1>a long time to get ready in two thousand and three,

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<v Speaker 1>and it took I think at least a month to

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<v Speaker 1>get ready for Afghanistan in two thousand and one. How

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<v Speaker 1>do you think they perceived the timing here?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that there's that unpredictability factor to Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>the Madman theory to Trump, right. He likes saying things

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<v Speaker 2>that are contradictory because it keeps everyone on their toes.

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<v Speaker 2>And so if you are the Iranian regime, you're wondering

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<v Speaker 2>what he might do next. But with Trump, since the beginning,

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<v Speaker 2>you have always said, look at what he does, not

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<v Speaker 2>what he says. And so let's just look what he's

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<v Speaker 2>doing here. He's putting the assets into place. He is

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<v Speaker 2>moving these air defense systems. We have the flotilla that's

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<v Speaker 2>forming in the in the Persian Gulf, in the region.

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<v Speaker 2>We have other assets in the Mediterranean and elsewhere. That's

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what he did with Venezuela, right, And and.

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<v Speaker 1>Then just starts.

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<v Speaker 2>When we thought it wasn't going to happen, Maduro was

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<v Speaker 2>gone beer, ready to be get.

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<v Speaker 1>Up on Saturday morning and see something happening. Stay tuned, America.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be right back with Matt Continetti. Welcome back in America.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm who Hewett with mad Continetti of AI and Wall

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<v Speaker 1>Street Journal columnist Matt. I have tried to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>every Iran expert that I can. The one I found

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<v Speaker 1>fascinating this week, Well, they're all fascinating was Rear Admiral

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Montgomery, retired United States Navy. He's actually run a

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<v Speaker 1>carrier's strike group. He speculates that we've got one of

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<v Speaker 1>our Tomahawk missile Ohio boomers there, as well as all

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<v Speaker 1>the destroyers with their missiles, as well as the Lincoln

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<v Speaker 1>with its aircraft. We can hit a lot of targets,

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<v Speaker 1>and then if the b twos come, they can switch

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<v Speaker 1>out their their big payloans the bunker busters for lots

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<v Speaker 1>of little payloads. And if the Israeli comes in, we

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<v Speaker 1>can we together can hit hundreds and hundreds of targets

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<v Speaker 1>at the start. Do you think that is how it

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<v Speaker 1>will go down? Or do you think it will be

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<v Speaker 1>a big demonstration and a chance for then Iran to

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<v Speaker 1>throw up their hands and say enough.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm not sure, Hugh. There's something that Trump

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<v Speaker 2>likes that's about spectacular, you know, but not necessarily spectacular,

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<v Speaker 2>in the shotgun off fashion of the bombardment of Baghdad

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<v Speaker 2>back in two thousand and three, which did use quite

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<v Speaker 2>a few munitions to light up the government centers of

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<v Speaker 2>Saddam Hussein's regimes.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump likes the.

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<v Speaker 2>Shock of surprise, the audacity, right this. We wake up

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<v Speaker 2>one morning and all of a sudden, the mission to

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<v Speaker 2>destroy the four down nuclear complex and around has already

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<v Speaker 2>been completed. We wake up six months later to find

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<v Speaker 2>that the dictator in Venezuela has been spirited out of

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<v Speaker 2>the country and the new government his deputies are now

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<v Speaker 2>pledging to work with us. So I would think of

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<v Speaker 2>something that is pretty spectacular, but maybe not you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the full Shakanawe hundreds of targets type thing that we've

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<v Speaker 2>seen in the past. I don't know what that would be.

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<v Speaker 2>It could be something actually slightly smaller, hue. Maybe we

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<v Speaker 2>seize one of these Iranian vessels, part of the ghost fleet,

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<v Speaker 2>and in a way similar to our approach in Venezuela,

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<v Speaker 2>where we've said this oil is sanctioned, we're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to let it pass, and so we use our assets

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<v Speaker 2>in the region to take over one of these ships

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<v Speaker 2>to show that the Iranians that we mean business.

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<v Speaker 1>They mentioned that he mentioned seizing a lot of them

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<v Speaker 1>so that their economic crunch becomes real.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it already is real for the Iranian people.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's why we had these protests to begin with.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that you have to feel for the Iranian people,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in a place like Tehran. They have no electricity,

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<v Speaker 2>they have very little food, they have no resources. I

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<v Speaker 2>knew something was going to happen Iron toward the end

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<v Speaker 2>of last year when I've read a small squib in

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<v Speaker 2>the paper where the Iranian President Pieshcasian was raising the

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<v Speaker 2>possibility of moving the Tehran population out of the city

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<v Speaker 2>to deal with them the drought. I said, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to do that, you have big problems, and sure

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<v Speaker 2>enough they do. And so really what America needs to

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<v Speaker 2>do is enforce its red line in order to maintain

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<v Speaker 2>our deterrence, but then also to continue the pressure that

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<v Speaker 2>will eventually lead I think this to collapse.

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<v Speaker 1>Two questions about two effects, Matt. The argument has been

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<v Speaker 1>made by opponents of a strike that a strike will

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<v Speaker 1>see the Iranian people the street rally around the regime.

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<v Speaker 1>And the second argument is that if Trump doesn't strike,

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<v Speaker 1>he's done the Obama Syria back off with devastating consequences

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<v Speaker 1>to his credibility. What do you make of both of

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<v Speaker 1>those arguments? We got three or four minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, the first argument I think is just

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<v Speaker 2>wrong because it was said in the run up to

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<v Speaker 2>Operation Midnight Hammer. This idea that if America were to intervene,

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<v Speaker 2>the Iranian people will rally behind this terrorist government. You

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<v Speaker 2>will see the government try to convey that image, which

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<v Speaker 2>is what we did see in the days and weeks

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<v Speaker 2>right after Operation than Himmer. But the longer term effect

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<v Speaker 2>was to weaken the regime. That's why these protests were happening.

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<v Speaker 2>People feel that they have no resource, this is nowhere

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<v Speaker 2>to turn, and here the government is continuing to pour

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<v Speaker 2>resources into this military apparatus, this potential nuclear apparatus. So

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<v Speaker 2>I think a strike would weaken the regime, and the

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<v Speaker 2>people know, the Iranian people know that this regime lacks legitimacy.

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<v Speaker 2>On the red line argument, there is some truth to it.

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<v Speaker 2>If an American president states repeatedly that the government of

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<v Speaker 2>Iran needs to stop killing its people or else, there

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<v Speaker 2>will be diar repercussions when he says we need new leadership,

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<v Speaker 2>When he says that help is on the way for

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<v Speaker 2>the Iranian people to not act, means that our adversaries

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<v Speaker 2>would say, oh, well, look he's not backing up his

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<v Speaker 2>words with action. So I think that is an argument

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<v Speaker 2>we need to take seriously. We know that when Obama

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<v Speaker 2>failed to enforce his red line in Syria in twenty fourteen,

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<v Speaker 2>Vladimir Putin, anex crimea ISIS, began its rampage through the

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<v Speaker 2>Middle East. Shijinping started treating Obama like a wayward student,

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<v Speaker 2>leaving him on the tarmac in Beijing, and American deterrence

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<v Speaker 2>spiraled further. It was already spiraling under Obama, inspired further

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<v Speaker 2>after he failed to enforce the red line. So when

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<v Speaker 2>you draw a red line, you need to enforce it

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<v Speaker 2>or else our enemies take notice and the world becomes

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<v Speaker 2>a more dangerous place.

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<v Speaker 1>Last question, Matt Connetty. Secretary Rubio is in front of

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<v Speaker 1>the Senate at length two days ago, and on Cuba

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<v Speaker 1>he was very direct, we'd love to see regime change there,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course I would expect that from the son

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<v Speaker 1>of Cuban expats, and I think a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>in the Trump world like it too, because it's Western hemisphere.

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<v Speaker 1>What is the bell tolling for that regime as well?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I think so. First, what an incredible performance by Secretary

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<v Speaker 2>of State Rubio. I mean, he is just a tremendous

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<v Speaker 2>communicator taking an incoming fire from all of the Democratic

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<v Speaker 2>Senators and throwing it right back at them. It was

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<v Speaker 2>just an amazing performance and I heard many accolades for him.

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<v Speaker 2>On Cuba, I mean, Cuba is in even worse shape

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<v Speaker 2>than Iran because it doesn't have any oil to sell

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<v Speaker 2>illegally to China. The Cuban people again face blackouts, very

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<v Speaker 2>little food resources. The government has it just rules with

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<v Speaker 2>a terror, no legitimacy. I think what the government, our

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<v Speaker 2>government is looking for here is again something similar to

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<v Speaker 2>what happened in Venezuela, where now that that Venezuelan lifeline

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<v Speaker 2>has been cut off, you the Cuban regime has very

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<v Speaker 2>little room for maneuver, and so if it were to

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<v Speaker 2>make a deal with the United States where it's leadership

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<v Speaker 2>stepped down in order to provide for some type of transition,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's probably an outcome that would be desirable.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be the end of castroism in Cuba. What

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<v Speaker 2>an incredible advance of hue and freedom. But it might

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<v Speaker 2>take time, just as in Venezuela, for us to get

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<v Speaker 2>to a point in Cuba where we have open elections

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<v Speaker 2>and a democratically elected government.

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<v Speaker 1>I have been quoting Matt Connety's theory of re regime coercion,

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<v Speaker 1>not regime change for all week, and I'll continue to

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<v Speaker 1>do so. Follow Matt at Continetti, read him in the

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<v Speaker 1>Wall Street Journal, look for whatever work he is supervising

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<v Speaker 1>or putting out at the American Enterprise of the two

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<v Speaker 1>and Stay two w right back on nineteen morning Glory

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<v Speaker 1>and even Grace America. That was the president in the

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<v Speaker 1>Oval Office earlier today. I'm Hugh Hewitt joined by Ben Dominich,

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<v Speaker 1>host of the Big Ben Podcast on the Fox Podcast Network,

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<v Speaker 1>also a Fox News contributor. The Big Ben Podcast this

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<v Speaker 1>week is fabulous with Bill Malusian, and we also have

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<v Speaker 1>Winston Marshall and we're going to talk a little sports here.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to get to Iran Ben, but I got

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<v Speaker 1>to start with do you follow a three year letterman? Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Do I follow three year letterman? I'm a huge fan

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<v Speaker 3>of three year Letterman. He is doing the lord's work

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<v Speaker 3>on everything glatform.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know that he has a million and a

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<v Speaker 1>half views of his post about Todd Lemmon this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>It's wonderful. Every time I think, Okay, the joke's over,

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<v Speaker 1>there are still millions of people who can be conned.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, absolutely, it's funny and you know, look, I commend

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<v Speaker 3>his feed to everyone who does not follow through your letterman.

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<v Speaker 3>You will get the information that you need and didn't

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<v Speaker 3>know you need to have.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you will also get to mock people like

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<v Speaker 1>Don Lemon mercilessly and lawyers. All right, but I brought

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<v Speaker 1>that up because you talked about sports, and I want

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<v Speaker 1>to share with you a point of view. I grew

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<v Speaker 1>up on Pete Franklin, all right. He was the three

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<v Speaker 1>WE new sports talk guy at night. I think probably

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<v Speaker 1>eight to midnight. It might have been nine to in

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<v Speaker 1>the midnight, but he was on three hours or four

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<v Speaker 1>hours a night. He was fabous. He eventually went to

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<v Speaker 1>New York. All he did was sports and wouldn't do politics.

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<v Speaker 1>Made me laugh, taught me sports. And then you brought

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<v Speaker 1>up Keith Obinday, who I've gone a few rounds with.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not really fair because I actually think Keith

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<v Speaker 1>is dumb, just dumb. Yeah, what do you think?

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<v Speaker 3>I think? I think Keith has that classic, uh sort

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<v Speaker 3>of experience of someone who is who is book smart

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<v Speaker 3>and life dumb. I think that he actually is very

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<v Speaker 3>I think he's very well read. He's you know, he

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<v Speaker 3>has a lot of different references he can pull out

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<v Speaker 3>of the back. He's kind of like the reverse Dennis Miller,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, in lots of time if you think about it.

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<v Speaker 3>But my real objection is he was a good anchor,

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<v Speaker 3>a big show, and and you know, and everything like that,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, it was I think it was a

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<v Speaker 3>real loss to I mean, you know, my equivalent probably

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<v Speaker 3>for you, for Pete Franklin was the George Michael sports

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<v Speaker 3>machine one. But one of the things that the things

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<v Speaker 3>that really, you know, I think is sad for a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of these guys. And and that's why I brought

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<v Speaker 3>Colbert into it as well. You know, when I was

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<v Speaker 3>talking about this is that if you are like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>kind of a late nineties teenager like I am, and

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<v Speaker 3>you saw these guys in the nineties in the early

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<v Speaker 3>two thousands, you have a different image of them because

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<v Speaker 3>you realize what they were good at. You saw them

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<v Speaker 3>when they were good at something and then they became

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<v Speaker 3>something else. And it's I do want to just kind

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<v Speaker 3>of say, there's something that's lost when that happens. There's

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<v Speaker 3>something that's lost when you have, you know, a good

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<v Speaker 3>sports writer who just turns totally political or a good

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<v Speaker 3>sports anchor who decides my opinion is about politics matter

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<v Speaker 3>more than anything that I think about the Yankees, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's I just think something that is sad on a

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<v Speaker 3>certain level, and it's it's one of the things that

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<v Speaker 3>just bothers me about everything that we've seen gone on

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<v Speaker 3>with in sports media. It's also, by the way, why

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<v Speaker 3>Barstool is such a huge success and bleacher Report.

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<v Speaker 1>I move on bleacher Report. Let me ask you about now.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to walk a very careful line here. It

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<v Speaker 1>is my policy never drag someone for whom you have worked.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm not dragging the Washington Post. I didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>anything to do with the sports coverage, but I talked

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<v Speaker 1>to John Ellis of News Items today. He informed me

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<v Speaker 1>that they're losing seventy five million dollars a year. They're

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<v Speaker 1>going to lay off a whole bunch more and more people,

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<v Speaker 1>and that Jeff Bezos may actually sell it. There are buyers,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's sort of sick of he made a bad

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<v Speaker 1>pursonse it's not his livelihood, it's not his passion. He

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't know what to do. It's not something he can sell.

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<v Speaker 1>But when I heard they're killing the sports I want

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<v Speaker 1>to compare it with Cleveland dot com, the Cleveland Plain

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<v Speaker 1>Dealers what I grew up on. They're thriving because of

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<v Speaker 1>Dave Campbell illa Buck six. He is their sports editor,

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<v Speaker 1>and he realized that sports fans are the lifeblood of circulation.

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<v Speaker 1>I pay for so much stuff. I don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>pay for it Cleveland, the Cavaliers Podcast, the Orange and

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<v Speaker 1>Brown Talk, the Ohio State Buckeye Talk. I get the newsletters.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's sports. How can the past be walking away

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<v Speaker 1>from sports?

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<v Speaker 3>Congrats to you, by the way, because you have the

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<v Speaker 3>kind of perfect scenario of frustrating teams and great coverage. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>this is something that I had for most of my

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<v Speaker 3>something I had for a good second of my life.

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<v Speaker 3>This funny thing is almost as soon as our franchise

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<v Speaker 3>has got good, the paper went woke. So you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the Cats are, you know, hoisting the Stanley Cup And

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<v Speaker 3>they're like, well, but isn't Ovechkin problematic?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, by the way, I'm not a hockey guy.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you made your references to Ave, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>then filled it. He's a Russian. I really don't know

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<v Speaker 1>anything about a hockey hockey.

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<v Speaker 3>Hugh Hugh, he has one of the greatest lines in

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<v Speaker 3>the in the modern history of sports when he was

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<v Speaker 3>asked about his injury early after coming into into the league,

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<v Speaker 3>and Held responded, the Russian machine never break.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like a bad guy from the Saloon film.

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<v Speaker 3>So no, he really is. But this is the thing.

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<v Speaker 3>You had these quality teams that people were trying to

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<v Speaker 3>find problems with him at the same time they were

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<v Speaker 3>just devoted to these these woke causes over and over again,

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<v Speaker 3>and really the featuring of these voices that were more

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<v Speaker 3>about kind of agonizing over how awful it was in

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<v Speaker 3>a stain on the nation that we had, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the Washington Redskins here and to me, and I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>being entirely facetious about this, I think that sports section

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<v Speaker 3>died when Dan Schneyder sold the team because they basically,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, made buck off of just going after him

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<v Speaker 3>for the pleasure of their event.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's a great sports the base. I don't like

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<v Speaker 1>the Nationals. I'm an American leaguey, I'm a Guardian's guy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>But I read Tom Boswell and I don't like the Redskins.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't follow them. I don't dislike them. They're national

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm a Browns fan, but they've got great franchise.

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<v Speaker 1>The Caps are you know, forever, they're like the Calves.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll never win anything, but I guess the Cavs won

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty sixteen. You've got a great base of people,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can sell newspapers and.

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<v Speaker 3>And here's here's there's another element of this hue that

0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:55.360
<v Speaker 3>you you probably know or just you know, can can

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<v Speaker 3>incline towards there. They are the broadest and most diverse

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of any of the unifying elements in DC.

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<v Speaker 3>You're right, you have to make second white fans together

0:25:09.240 --> 0:25:14.480
<v Speaker 3>with completely opposite political views, and they are you know,

0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:17.640
<v Speaker 3>joined at the hip, cheering for their team. So it's

0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:20.320
<v Speaker 3>actually this great you it's one of the few unifying

0:25:20.359 --> 0:25:23.000
<v Speaker 3>things in this area, which, by the way, is an

0:25:23.040 --> 0:25:26.280
<v Speaker 3>area where there are people who actually not everyone is transitory.

0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:29.040
<v Speaker 3>Not everybody just comes in and out. And that's why

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<v Speaker 3>you know, my my mom gets gets season package every

0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:34.760
<v Speaker 3>year that US kids buy for her to go to

0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:38.600
<v Speaker 3>the Nationals games. She loves baseball, She scores the games,

0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:41.280
<v Speaker 3>and she sits across from two old black dudes in

0:25:41.320 --> 0:25:44.040
<v Speaker 3>their seventies and they and they just you know, go

0:25:44.119 --> 0:25:46.240
<v Speaker 3>back and forth about which relievers they like and which

0:25:46.280 --> 0:25:48.840
<v Speaker 3>people they hate, and that's the kind of thing is

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<v Speaker 3>great for a community.

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<v Speaker 1>Well would you how would you rate the Beltway as

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<v Speaker 1>a sports town? I've told people Cleveland may be the

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<v Speaker 1>best sports town in America compared to la It certainly

0:25:58.760 --> 0:26:01.720
<v Speaker 1>is about a thousand times better. And the Orange County

0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:04.400
<v Speaker 1>with the Angels in San die Southern California, just does

0:26:04.440 --> 0:26:06.560
<v Speaker 1>not love them the way that Cleveland does. When there's

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<v Speaker 1>no alternative, how do you put the Beltway sports community

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<v Speaker 1>in the d C?

0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:13.040
<v Speaker 3>D C is second tier. The reason that we're second

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<v Speaker 3>tier is because it's actually a basketball town and the

0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:19.359
<v Speaker 3>basketball team sucks, has always and has always sucked. I

0:26:19.359 --> 0:26:21.440
<v Speaker 3>mean I and I saw I mean I saw Jordan

0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:23.919
<v Speaker 3>on his on his tour here, I saw him in

0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:27.520
<v Speaker 3>his in Yao Ming's first game here. I went to

0:26:27.560 --> 0:26:29.320
<v Speaker 3>that one. And it's one of these things where just

0:26:30.000 --> 0:26:33.280
<v Speaker 3>this is a this is an area that really is

0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:36.760
<v Speaker 3>more basketball focused after the after the Redskins, and they

0:26:36.800 --> 0:26:39.520
<v Speaker 3>just don't have that. And unfortunately, until that gets good again,

0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:41.520
<v Speaker 3>they're they're just well, take a.

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<v Speaker 1>Minute before we go to the break, We'll do a run.

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<v Speaker 1>In the second segment, tell the tell the audience who

0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:48.160
<v Speaker 1>George Michaels, Because when I moved there in eighty three,

0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:51.080
<v Speaker 1>I was hooked immediately, and he was. He's a forerunner

0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:52.680
<v Speaker 1>of ESPN, actually.

0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:56.439
<v Speaker 3>He really was. And and he had this amazing clip

0:26:56.480 --> 0:27:01.000
<v Speaker 3>show and uh with with all sorts of funny jabs

0:27:01.040 --> 0:27:04.000
<v Speaker 3>and and commentary and things like that. Uh, he was

0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:08.040
<v Speaker 3>just an out sort of outsized personality. They made fun

0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:09.840
<v Speaker 3>of it on SNL if you can look it up

0:27:10.080 --> 0:27:15.000
<v Speaker 3>with George Wills Sports Machine, one of the epic one

0:27:15.000 --> 0:27:19.119
<v Speaker 3>of the epic clips from from SNL with Dana Carvey,

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<v Speaker 3>I believe. But it's one of these things that it was.

0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:25.920
<v Speaker 3>It was just a forerunner of that idea that this

0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:27.840
<v Speaker 3>is a format that could work. You could do these

0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:31.080
<v Speaker 3>package clip shows from all around the country and show

0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:34.920
<v Speaker 3>kind of the best and the bloopers and everything like that.

0:27:35.280 --> 0:27:37.440
<v Speaker 3>And it was must see viewing for me as a kid.

0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:38.960
<v Speaker 3>And it's still something that I think of.

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<v Speaker 1>You watch the rest of the channel for Bob the Weatherman,

0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:45.879
<v Speaker 1>Jim Nance. I mean, it was the greatest television local

0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:48.000
<v Speaker 1>station I think I've ever watched consistently.

0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:51.280
<v Speaker 3>It was. It was incredible and and you know, we

0:27:51.280 --> 0:27:52.600
<v Speaker 3>were both sounding like old guys.

0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, I am an old guy. You're not, but

0:27:55.600 --> 0:27:57.880
<v Speaker 1>I was. I was a dad kid.

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<v Speaker 3>But look, I think I think that this is a

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<v Speaker 3>This is another situation where we have lost so much

0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:06.720
<v Speaker 3>in terms of local coverage. We've lost local coverage that

0:28:06.840 --> 0:28:09.000
<v Speaker 3>is high quality. We've seen so much of it just

0:28:09.080 --> 0:28:12.200
<v Speaker 3>drained and not be replaced. And that's actually the news

0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:15.320
<v Speaker 3>that people care the most about. It's very silly to

0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:15.920
<v Speaker 3>mean that.

0:28:15.840 --> 0:28:17.639
<v Speaker 1>None of the none of the snow has been removed

0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:18.159
<v Speaker 1>from d C.

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<v Speaker 3>You mean, why why does that happen? You know, well,

0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:26.040
<v Speaker 3>you know there's a guy from New York mag you know,

0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:28.200
<v Speaker 3>digs into it and finds out that there's not enough

0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:30.040
<v Speaker 3>that they you know, they had promised a bunch of

0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:33.720
<v Speaker 3>different snowplows and then they had far fewer that were

0:28:33.760 --> 0:28:36.680
<v Speaker 3>actually out on the roads than Mayor Bowser had said.

0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:39.800
<v Speaker 3>So my point is just like that, that local coverage

0:28:39.840 --> 0:28:41.720
<v Speaker 3>is what we need back. We need to bring that back.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna talk with Ben during break. But you folks

0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:47.280
<v Speaker 1>out there, no matter how bad you think your local

0:28:47.320 --> 0:28:50.800
<v Speaker 1>services are, they are not DC in a snowstorm. It

0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:54.040
<v Speaker 1>is a nightmare still, and there's another one coming. Ben dominance.

0:28:54.080 --> 0:28:55.480
<v Speaker 1>You will stay here and be here to talk to

0:28:55.600 --> 0:28:58.080
<v Speaker 1>Ryan after the break stage. I am back with Ben

0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:00.600
<v Speaker 1>Domini's during the break Ben, I'm going to save all

0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:03.520
<v Speaker 1>the iron staff in the next segment. So let's talk

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:08.720
<v Speaker 1>about a story that doesn't matter, Don Lemon. I think

0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:11.880
<v Speaker 1>anyone who doesn't know how traumatized those kids are in

0:29:11.880 --> 0:29:15.880
<v Speaker 1>that church and what the parents were thinking. Because churches

0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:18.720
<v Speaker 1>have been invaded and people have been shot somewhat routinely

0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:21.520
<v Speaker 1>over the last ten years. Do you think Don Lemon

0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:23.920
<v Speaker 1>has a brain? How could he have done this?

0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:29.160
<v Speaker 3>That's a really tough question to answer you without the

0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:33.640
<v Speaker 3>smirching somebody's characters. Look, I have a very very low

0:29:33.640 --> 0:29:35.680
<v Speaker 3>opinion of Don Lemon. I think that he's a very

0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:40.000
<v Speaker 3>stupid person. He has been incredibly misogynoust to several of

0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:42.520
<v Speaker 3>my friends when he was at CNN. I do not

0:29:42.880 --> 0:29:46.080
<v Speaker 3>like the man at all, but I think that they

0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:51.480
<v Speaker 3>I generally viewed him as harmless, meaning stupid, rude, jerk, harmless.

0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:55.960
<v Speaker 3>This was something that was truly harmful, harmful to a community,

0:29:55.960 --> 0:29:59.400
<v Speaker 3>harmful to a church. I cannot imagine what it would

0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:02.360
<v Speaker 3>feel like sitting with I mean, you know when I

0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:05.000
<v Speaker 3>when when we go to church, you know, the older

0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:07.800
<v Speaker 3>daughter stays with me and and younger daughter goes to

0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:11.440
<v Speaker 3>Sunday school, and and it's it's I cannot imagine what

0:30:11.480 --> 0:30:13.640
<v Speaker 3>their reaction would be like to something like this. They

0:30:13.640 --> 0:30:15.920
<v Speaker 3>would think that there was going something going on that

0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:18.080
<v Speaker 3>was going to end up, you know, putting their lives

0:30:18.080 --> 0:30:18.440
<v Speaker 3>at risk.

0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:21.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Minnesota is an open and a close conceal carrie

0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:24.200
<v Speaker 1>and a shell issue. There could have been people with

0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:27.000
<v Speaker 1>hate in there. And and I honestly, I've seen too

0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:30.440
<v Speaker 1>many clips Colorado Springs comes to mind where the guy

0:30:30.560 --> 0:30:33.560
<v Speaker 1>drops the shooter at the door with a perfectly fired

0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:36.120
<v Speaker 1>two rounds because he was going to shoot up the

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:37.240
<v Speaker 1>whole mega church.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there are.

0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:41.760
<v Speaker 1>Parents thinking, I'm surprised they demonstrated didn't get a chair of.

0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:44.080
<v Speaker 3>The head I got. I gotta be honest, I think

0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:48.320
<v Speaker 3>that they really, you know, not metaphorically dodged a bullet

0:30:48.920 --> 0:30:50.840
<v Speaker 3>in the sense that this is this is a situation

0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:54.160
<v Speaker 3>that could have gone much worse. But but look, we

0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:58.120
<v Speaker 3>have to make a clear example of this situation. You

0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:01.400
<v Speaker 3>don't get to just say I'm holding it. I'm holding

0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:04.680
<v Speaker 3>a phone in my hand and I have a YouTube channel,

0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:08.080
<v Speaker 3>so I can violate the law. And that's just not

0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:10.200
<v Speaker 3>the way that this works, you know. And it wouldn't

0:31:10.240 --> 0:31:12.640
<v Speaker 3>work if I and a bunch of friends of mine

0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:15.600
<v Speaker 3>decided to go into a mosque and start yelling at people,

0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:18.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, and and that kind of thing, and then said, well,

0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:21.120
<v Speaker 3>you know, I write for places and I'm on I'm

0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:23.640
<v Speaker 3>on TV, so I get to do this. No, that's

0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:24.800
<v Speaker 3>not the way that this works.

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<v Speaker 1>There is actually no constitutional protection. Some states have protection

0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:32.120
<v Speaker 1>for journalists, but not the federal law. There's no status

0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:35.040
<v Speaker 1>for journalists. Everyone's got the same First Amendment right and

0:31:35.080 --> 0:31:38.400
<v Speaker 1>they do not include what Don Lemon did. Now I'm

0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:40.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm not too sure I do more than give him

0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:43.320
<v Speaker 1>a hefty fine. He's gonna Abbey Lole is not cheap.

0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:45.520
<v Speaker 1>I almost went to work for Stan Brandon Abbey Lowle

0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:48.160
<v Speaker 1>when I left the Array administration, So.

0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:53.120
<v Speaker 3>Why so why is it always Abby Lowle? Always?

0:31:53.120 --> 0:31:56.959
<v Speaker 1>It's really good? And if Hunter Biden had started out

0:31:56.960 --> 0:31:59.680
<v Speaker 1>with Abbey Lole, he would not have ended up convicted,

0:32:00.640 --> 0:32:02.760
<v Speaker 1>but he wouldn't have tried to pull a fast one.

0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:04.880
<v Speaker 1>In my humble opinion, I think he ends up with

0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:07.680
<v Speaker 1>cases because he's really good. I don't know, do you

0:32:07.720 --> 0:32:09.720
<v Speaker 1>think Don Lemon's out of money to pull a stunt

0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:09.960
<v Speaker 1>like this.

0:32:11.280 --> 0:32:13.840
<v Speaker 3>I don't think that he actually does, though I will

0:32:13.880 --> 0:32:16.760
<v Speaker 3>say we don't actually know how much money he got

0:32:16.800 --> 0:32:19.480
<v Speaker 3>from X when he was briefly hired, you know, to

0:32:19.560 --> 0:32:23.520
<v Speaker 3>be a journalist for them and then promptly dismissed after

0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:26.920
<v Speaker 3>an uncomfortable interview with Elon. I think that this is

0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:29.240
<v Speaker 3>I think this is a situation that has to happen

0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:31.440
<v Speaker 3>on a certain level just to send the message that

0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:33.480
<v Speaker 3>this is something that you can't do a great or

0:32:33.520 --> 0:32:36.160
<v Speaker 3>just some random new cut. We're coming back on the network.

0:32:36.160 --> 0:32:37.920
<v Speaker 3>Extend by that, but I disagree.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to America. I'm Hugh Hewett, Ben Dominics, host

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:44.800
<v Speaker 1>of the Big Ben Pod, is with a great episode

0:32:44.800 --> 0:32:47.080
<v Speaker 1>this week, including Bill Mallusian, who I did not know

0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:49.920
<v Speaker 1>is going up to cover Congress, and that wonderful guy

0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:53.600
<v Speaker 1>from Great Britain who really How did you find Winston Marshall?

0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:54.960
<v Speaker 1>I'd only seen him once.

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<v Speaker 3>Winston is a phenomenal guy. He is he has his face.

0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:05.120
<v Speaker 3>Do you know why he's famous? No, Winston Marshall is

0:33:05.120 --> 0:33:07.680
<v Speaker 3>famous because he was a banjo player in Mumford and Sons.

0:33:08.400 --> 0:33:12.920
<v Speaker 3>He got kicked out of the band or essentially politely

0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:16.480
<v Speaker 3>asked to leave in British fashion, after he endorsed a

0:33:16.520 --> 0:33:19.960
<v Speaker 3>book by Andy No and then refused to apologize for

0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:25.040
<v Speaker 3>endorsing the book. Oh and he is I think personally

0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:29.400
<v Speaker 3>both brilliant and a guy who fully understands what's going

0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:33.800
<v Speaker 3>on with the UK, Europe and the American relationship and

0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:40.560
<v Speaker 3>how toxic Britain in particular has become toward its own heritage.

0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:42.400
<v Speaker 1>Which I good for you for grabbing him. That was

0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:44.200
<v Speaker 1>he's in the news right now and I thought it

0:33:44.240 --> 0:33:46.840
<v Speaker 1>was an excellent get let's talk now, what does Ben

0:33:46.880 --> 0:33:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Dominic you think is going to happen hereon? Is it

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:50.720
<v Speaker 1>go or no go? This weekend? Are we going to

0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:52.720
<v Speaker 1>be talking about it again a Friday from now about

0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:53.640
<v Speaker 1>whether it's go or no go?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, personally, I thought it was going to have a

0:33:56.880 --> 0:33:58.840
<v Speaker 3>little bit more time. But then I will admit that

0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:02.080
<v Speaker 3>off air with your producer he reminded me that there

0:34:02.120 --> 0:34:05.720
<v Speaker 3>is a certain anniversary on Sunday of that that I

0:34:05.760 --> 0:34:09.680
<v Speaker 3>think might appeal to the President in terms of just

0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:13.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, making for a good truth social post. And

0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:14.719
<v Speaker 3>I think that also, you know, one of the things

0:34:14.760 --> 0:34:17.880
<v Speaker 3>that we know about Donald Trump is that he makes

0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:22.760
<v Speaker 3>decisions before he makes the decision, meaning he has already

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:25.879
<v Speaker 3>decided what he is going to do. It's just it's

0:34:25.960 --> 0:34:28.799
<v Speaker 3>just a sort of a he has this kind of

0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:30.840
<v Speaker 3>meandering way of saying, Oh, well, you know, we're going

0:34:30.920 --> 0:34:32.520
<v Speaker 3>to talk and we're going to see what's going to happen,

0:34:32.560 --> 0:34:34.319
<v Speaker 3>and you know, maybe there's a deal to be worked out,

0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:36.839
<v Speaker 3>and maybe there's something that he's already decided what he's

0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:39.040
<v Speaker 3>going to do. And I think that we know that

0:34:39.080 --> 0:34:41.319
<v Speaker 3>by now when he comes to foreign policy, you know,

0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:43.600
<v Speaker 3>he had determined he was going to do the Maduro

0:34:43.719 --> 0:34:47.000
<v Speaker 3>thing well before it happened. Okay, they had more than

0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:49.200
<v Speaker 3>a month of lead up time and practice and everything

0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:52.359
<v Speaker 3>going into it to make that happen. And so I

0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:54.399
<v Speaker 3>think the president has already decided that he is going

0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:56.800
<v Speaker 3>to do this. It's just a matter of his timing.

0:34:57.160 --> 0:34:59.239
<v Speaker 3>And I think that's probably going to be within the

0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:02.000
<v Speaker 3>next couple of days. Uh, and we're gonna have to

0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:04.840
<v Speaker 3>I mean, dude, this is this is uncharted territory.

0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:07.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh, this is big and this by the way I

0:35:07.600 --> 0:35:10.520
<v Speaker 1>do this, that can be anything from a couple of

0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:13.680
<v Speaker 1>blown up by our G. C. Barracks to thinking what's

0:35:14.000 --> 0:35:16.560
<v Speaker 1>left of the Iridian Navy to blown up Karj Island

0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:19.640
<v Speaker 1>to just doing an I.

0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:23.040
<v Speaker 3>Think it's I think it's one and two. Personally, I

0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:27.080
<v Speaker 3>just think that that's I think he's gonna uh. I

0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:30.200
<v Speaker 3>think this is gonna be significant. And look, there's a

0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:33.400
<v Speaker 3>major roll the dice with this one that I'm not

0:35:33.440 --> 0:35:36.600
<v Speaker 3>sure that you know, everyone in the country is necessarily

0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:41.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, prepared for. But look, this president. Gosh, you

0:35:41.160 --> 0:35:44.400
<v Speaker 3>he's in he's a year into his second term. Is

0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:47.560
<v Speaker 3>he the most important foreign policy president that we've had

0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:47.920
<v Speaker 3>in this.

0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:49.840
<v Speaker 1>Century from a nuclear r on.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, you know, just in terms of the impact that

0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:57.120
<v Speaker 3>he has had in this short amount of time. It's

0:35:57.160 --> 0:35:59.560
<v Speaker 3>just it's astonishing to me because I just don't think

0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:02.279
<v Speaker 3>that people necessarily expected it. I also think that it's

0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:04.680
<v Speaker 3>going to put some people in a bind around him,

0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:06.920
<v Speaker 3>because you know, the whole argument for him that was

0:36:07.040 --> 0:36:10.200
<v Speaker 3>danced by a certain segment of people who said, you know,

0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:13.160
<v Speaker 3>who basically tried to pretend that Donald Trump was a dove,

0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:16.799
<v Speaker 3>which is not true and it's never been true, you know.

0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:18.680
<v Speaker 3>But then there's also people who I think tried to

0:36:18.760 --> 0:36:21.399
<v Speaker 3>kind of frame him as being something that he wasn't

0:36:21.680 --> 0:36:24.319
<v Speaker 3>look he sees the opportunity here. And I think that

0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:28.239
<v Speaker 3>this guy actually has deep empathy for the people who

0:36:28.239 --> 0:36:30.640
<v Speaker 3>are getting killed in the streets. And that's something that

0:36:30.680 --> 0:36:32.799
<v Speaker 3>you know, you saw when it came to the young

0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:35.759
<v Speaker 3>people getting killed in Ukraine. He always brings it up.

0:36:36.080 --> 0:36:38.040
<v Speaker 3>It's as if you know, he can't stand the fact

0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:41.200
<v Speaker 3>that journalists sort of forget to mention the death counts

0:36:41.239 --> 0:36:44.560
<v Speaker 3>and stuff like and and reports of that nature are

0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:47.280
<v Speaker 3>being put on his desk on a daily basis.

0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Now, John Radcliffe is the bog, the dog that never barks,

0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:53.000
<v Speaker 1>But the director of the Essential Intelligence must go in

0:36:53.040 --> 0:36:56.040
<v Speaker 1>there every day with more pictures and more numbers, and

0:36:56.080 --> 0:36:58.440
<v Speaker 1>the numbers on some of the independent reporting both in

0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:03.080
<v Speaker 1>Iran and Israel getting up closer to seventy thousand people

0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:04.160
<v Speaker 1>were murdered.

0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:07.200
<v Speaker 3>Me, I mean, this is it's astronomical. I mean, it's

0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:10.719
<v Speaker 3>incredible in terms of the of the degree of bloodshed

0:37:10.760 --> 0:37:13.880
<v Speaker 3>that is going on. And I think that there is

0:37:13.920 --> 0:37:17.640
<v Speaker 3>an opportunity here to achieve something good, to achieve something

0:37:17.640 --> 0:37:22.040
<v Speaker 3>that could remake the maps and be a great benefit

0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:24.279
<v Speaker 3>not just to us but our allies. And I think

0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:26.360
<v Speaker 3>the president has probably already decided what he's going to do,

0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:28.000
<v Speaker 3>and it's just a matter of time until he doesn't.

0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:30.040
<v Speaker 1>Ben dominised there were a lot of people who were

0:37:30.080 --> 0:37:35.560
<v Speaker 1>invested in the idea of making Iran into a responsible

0:37:35.600 --> 0:37:38.920
<v Speaker 1>regional player. President Obama and his whole team, President Biden,

0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:42.040
<v Speaker 1>their whole team, all the appeasers. They really thought they

0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:45.680
<v Speaker 1>could bring Iran into the community of nations. Do you

0:37:45.760 --> 0:37:48.920
<v Speaker 1>think any of them have realized in the aftermath of

0:37:49.000 --> 0:37:54.080
<v Speaker 1>this horrific two weeks what this regime was never planned

0:37:54.120 --> 0:37:56.560
<v Speaker 1>straight with them, that they got taken. In other words,

0:37:56.800 --> 0:38:01.319
<v Speaker 1>they answered the prints from Africa's email and setting money.

0:38:02.520 --> 0:38:04.439
<v Speaker 3>To you. I think Ben Rhodes wakes up every morning,

0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:06.239
<v Speaker 3>looks himself in the mirror and says, I am a

0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:12.080
<v Speaker 3>handsome man with a full head of hair. So look,

0:38:12.120 --> 0:38:15.279
<v Speaker 3>I do not think there is any there is there

0:38:15.320 --> 0:38:18.680
<v Speaker 3>is no willingness on their part and I have certainly

0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:21.359
<v Speaker 3>not seen it publicly. I do not expect to see it.

0:38:22.000 --> 0:38:24.279
<v Speaker 3>To look at this situation and to have any kind

0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:26.959
<v Speaker 3>of reconsideration of all the bad decisions that they made,

0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:29.799
<v Speaker 3>and they were terrible. I mean it really it set

0:38:29.880 --> 0:38:33.600
<v Speaker 3>us back in ways that you know. I think historians

0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:37.400
<v Speaker 3>will write about, you know, in significant ways. But look,

0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:40.759
<v Speaker 3>the point at this juncture, I think that we have

0:38:40.840 --> 0:38:43.680
<v Speaker 3>to hope for and pray for if you are you know,

0:38:44.080 --> 0:38:48.200
<v Speaker 3>of the prayerful mind, is that whatever operation that happens

0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:51.800
<v Speaker 3>is one that Americans can execute with success, because I

0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:53.440
<v Speaker 3>think that that will be of great benefit to the

0:38:53.440 --> 0:38:55.480
<v Speaker 3>people of Iran, and I think that it will be

0:38:55.960 --> 0:39:00.560
<v Speaker 3>something that will help ideally prevent this continued blowd to

0:39:00.719 --> 0:39:04.000
<v Speaker 3>prevent this type of rampant loss of life that we

0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:07.840
<v Speaker 3>have seen, and set the regime back on its heels

0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:08.839
<v Speaker 3>in a significant way.

0:39:08.920 --> 0:39:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Do you think Americans are aware that they could at

0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:15.239
<v Speaker 1>the aridions might be able to hit the Lincoln they hit,

0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:19.040
<v Speaker 1>They sent ICBMs and they hit our ballistic missiles, and

0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:23.600
<v Speaker 1>they hit Alosad Air Base very precisely. They have precision.

0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Got do you think they can kill a lot of

0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:27.839
<v Speaker 1>Americans before they go down?

0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:30.960
<v Speaker 3>I absolutely think that they can. And Hugh, I don't

0:39:30.960 --> 0:39:33.160
<v Speaker 3>think that Americans are aware of that. I just don't.

0:39:33.520 --> 0:39:36.480
<v Speaker 3>I don't think that this story has been you know,

0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:39.160
<v Speaker 3>fully unspooled, and I think that people are not really

0:39:39.200 --> 0:39:42.000
<v Speaker 3>paying attention to it. They've been focused more on the

0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:45.799
<v Speaker 3>domestic stories around Ice and Minnesota and everything else like that.

0:39:45.880 --> 0:39:48.000
<v Speaker 3>You know, in the linked in recent weeks, they haven't

0:39:48.000 --> 0:39:50.640
<v Speaker 3>been paying as much attention to what's going on there.

0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:52.440
<v Speaker 3>And part of that, of course, is is the Iranian

0:39:52.440 --> 0:39:56.640
<v Speaker 3>regimes total crackdown, you know, complete lockdown on on the

0:39:56.680 --> 0:39:59.360
<v Speaker 3>ability of people to get footage out in the way

0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:03.200
<v Speaker 3>that we normally experience it in conflicts. But look, you know,

0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:05.120
<v Speaker 3>that's something that I think people are going to have

0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:07.360
<v Speaker 3>to wake up to. And there's a very real possibility

0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:08.400
<v Speaker 3>that something like that happens.

0:40:08.400 --> 0:40:10.920
<v Speaker 1>And that's last question. Man, if the United States government

0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:12.640
<v Speaker 1>shut down the internet in the United States, what would

0:40:12.640 --> 0:40:15.800
<v Speaker 1>it do to our growth there? There's no business happening

0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:18.879
<v Speaker 1>in Iran right now. There's no backup when you turn

0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:20.160
<v Speaker 1>the internet off anywhere.

0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:23.439
<v Speaker 3>No, And I think that, and I think that this

0:40:23.600 --> 0:40:26.080
<v Speaker 3>is something that the protesters know as well. Uh and

0:40:26.120 --> 0:40:29.840
<v Speaker 3>they and this and look, there's a long story that

0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:32.279
<v Speaker 3>gave to this point. You know, this is this is good,

0:40:32.320 --> 0:40:34.560
<v Speaker 3>This is there's a lot of chickens coming home drus

0:40:35.000 --> 0:40:37.560
<v Speaker 3>here in terms of in terms of how we got here,

0:40:37.920 --> 0:40:40.000
<v Speaker 3>why there is such a divide between the people and

0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:43.080
<v Speaker 3>the regime. Why there is a possibility here of actually

0:40:43.120 --> 0:40:46.960
<v Speaker 3>having you know, a stable nation ideally, I mean in

0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:50.440
<v Speaker 3>the wake of this there isn't there is an opening.

0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:51.840
<v Speaker 3>There's a glean men.

0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:54.200
<v Speaker 1>All right for the praying people, That's what we'll pray for.

0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Ben Dominic, host of a Big Ben podcast. People go

0:40:57.520 --> 0:40:59.960
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0:41:03.600 --> 0:41:06.640
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0:41:06.760 --> 0:41:11.200
<v Speaker 1>stay tuned to the US show Welcome Back to America.

0:41:11.280 --> 0:41:14.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm Hue Hewitt and the Relief Backtors video West. Eli

0:41:14.360 --> 0:41:16.800
<v Speaker 1>Lake is the host of the Breaking History podcast, a

0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:20.960
<v Speaker 1>contributor to the Free Press, and an expert on Iran.

0:41:21.640 --> 0:41:24.000
<v Speaker 1>You'll hear him twice this weekend on my podcast because

0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:27.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm putting together all my long interviews on Iran. That's

0:41:27.320 --> 0:41:29.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna be a four hour podcast and then this weekend.

0:41:30.040 --> 0:41:34.080
<v Speaker 1>Eli about forty minutes ago, Open Source Intel, which is

0:41:34.120 --> 0:41:38.000
<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite and I think legitimate sites for

0:41:38.040 --> 0:41:42.600
<v Speaker 1>open source intel, posted senior US military officials informed the

0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:45.080
<v Speaker 1>leadership of a key US ally in the Middle East

0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:48.040
<v Speaker 1>that Donald Trump could authorize a US attack on Iran

0:41:48.239 --> 0:41:51.640
<v Speaker 1>this weekend strikes could commence as early as Sunday. The

0:41:51.640 --> 0:41:54.520
<v Speaker 1>Ally was informed if the US decides to move forward

0:41:54.920 --> 0:41:57.759
<v Speaker 1>sources tel drop site news, what do you make of that?

0:41:58.040 --> 0:41:59.320
<v Speaker 1>What do you make of this situation?

0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:03.600
<v Speaker 4>I am not a fan of drop site news, so

0:42:03.760 --> 0:42:05.279
<v Speaker 4>I don't know quite what to make of that. I

0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:08.120
<v Speaker 4>can tell you in my own reporting queue that one

0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:11.920
<v Speaker 4>of the big factors here is that the United States

0:42:12.200 --> 0:42:16.640
<v Speaker 4>does not have enough of the interceptors we use in

0:42:16.680 --> 0:42:22.879
<v Speaker 4>our THAD and Patriot missile defense systems, and that has

0:42:22.960 --> 0:42:27.560
<v Speaker 4>been a problem that frankly, our defense planners and past

0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:31.360
<v Speaker 4>presidents going back twenty years should have done something about.

0:42:32.239 --> 0:42:36.440
<v Speaker 4>We've had national security and defense strategies for a long

0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:40.960
<v Speaker 4>time that has anticipated the need for these interceptors. But

0:42:41.160 --> 0:42:44.920
<v Speaker 4>after Russia's invasion of Ukraine and our assistance to Ukraine,

0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:49.040
<v Speaker 4>which I supported, and then of course the use of

0:42:49.040 --> 0:42:53.080
<v Speaker 4>these interceptors in the Twelve Day War and the exchanges

0:42:53.120 --> 0:42:56.799
<v Speaker 4>between Israel and Iran, the cupboard is bare and we

0:42:56.840 --> 0:43:00.760
<v Speaker 4>don't have the capability. So that's one factor that I

0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:03.960
<v Speaker 4>know has been weighing on the planning and so forth.

0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:05.239
<v Speaker 4>And then I don't know what to make of it.

0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:09.879
<v Speaker 4>Trump himself, as we know, is the decider. He has

0:43:10.000 --> 0:43:12.799
<v Speaker 4>said at times that you know, he would love to

0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:14.839
<v Speaker 4>do a deal and that his conditions I don't think

0:43:14.880 --> 0:43:17.160
<v Speaker 4>are acceptable to comminate. So at some point I would

0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:21.640
<v Speaker 4>imagine the military option will be used. But on the

0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:25.000
<v Speaker 4>other hand, you know, he said he was negotiating, you know,

0:43:25.400 --> 0:43:27.880
<v Speaker 4>right before the Twelve Day War, and that was I

0:43:27.880 --> 0:43:30.200
<v Speaker 4>think one of the greatest moments of his presidency or

0:43:30.360 --> 0:43:34.719
<v Speaker 4>any presidency in my memory. So we'll see what happens.

0:43:34.960 --> 0:43:38.760
<v Speaker 4>But I know that there is this hard power restraint.

0:43:39.239 --> 0:43:41.880
<v Speaker 4>Iran still has ballistic missiles and we need to shoot

0:43:41.920 --> 0:43:44.400
<v Speaker 4>them down, and we don't have enough interceptors to do

0:43:44.440 --> 0:43:48.040
<v Speaker 4>that to defend our bases and our allies that.

0:43:48.000 --> 0:43:51.160
<v Speaker 1>Would argue, wouldn't it for a massive first strike coordinated

0:43:51.160 --> 0:43:53.960
<v Speaker 1>with Israel because Israel is likely on the receiving end

0:43:54.000 --> 0:43:56.319
<v Speaker 1>of those ballistic missiles as well as our basis.

0:43:56.880 --> 0:43:59.560
<v Speaker 4>Yes, and I think Israel's obviously knows that it's a target,

0:43:59.640 --> 0:44:01.680
<v Speaker 4>and we saw at the end of the Twelve day war,

0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:04.480
<v Speaker 4>you know, some of them get through and and in

0:44:04.480 --> 0:44:07.400
<v Speaker 4>some ways, you know, the Iranians are are aiming, you know,

0:44:07.560 --> 0:44:11.480
<v Speaker 4>for civilians the Iranians have threatened, you know, our basis

0:44:11.520 --> 0:44:15.120
<v Speaker 4>and so forth, so we'll see it is though, I

0:44:15.480 --> 0:44:18.319
<v Speaker 4>think whatever happens, Hugh, let's just take a step back.

0:44:18.400 --> 0:44:22.320
<v Speaker 4>This is this is a regime and death spiral. Sadly

0:44:23.400 --> 0:44:26.080
<v Speaker 4>they're going to take a lot of Iranian citizens along

0:44:26.120 --> 0:44:29.759
<v Speaker 4>with them. But I don't know how they recover the

0:44:29.880 --> 0:44:32.400
<v Speaker 4>economic vice that they're in right now. They don't have

0:44:32.440 --> 0:44:35.600
<v Speaker 4>a way out and at a certain point, you know,

0:44:35.640 --> 0:44:42.359
<v Speaker 4>if you can't pay your goon squads, historically speaking, they don't,

0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:44.719
<v Speaker 4>They're not going to fight out of you know. I

0:44:45.000 --> 0:44:48.320
<v Speaker 4>don't think you know, there's there's I would my assessment

0:44:48.360 --> 0:44:50.160
<v Speaker 4>would be that there's not even ten percent at this

0:44:50.200 --> 0:44:54.959
<v Speaker 4>point of the population that even once Kamene would let alone,

0:44:55.000 --> 0:44:55.759
<v Speaker 4>would fight for him.

0:44:56.480 --> 0:44:59.400
<v Speaker 1>Now, Hamone is a nut, is a fanatic, and I

0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:02.279
<v Speaker 1>am afraid. He in his bunker and if anything starts

0:45:02.320 --> 0:45:04.880
<v Speaker 1>to just pushes every button he can Hitler style. I

0:45:05.360 --> 0:45:05.800
<v Speaker 1>agree with that.

0:45:05.960 --> 0:45:08.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yes, I think that's probably right. I think he's

0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:14.640
<v Speaker 4>a he's an he's a millenarian, end times apocalyptic kind

0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:17.600
<v Speaker 4>of figure, and I don't I think he would he

0:45:17.600 --> 0:45:19.400
<v Speaker 4>would prefer to go out in a blaze of glory

0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:22.560
<v Speaker 4>in some ways. Ideally, I would love to see him

0:45:22.560 --> 0:45:26.600
<v Speaker 4>face a kind of people's tribunal from Iranians, and then

0:45:26.880 --> 0:45:29.120
<v Speaker 4>I would love to see him hanged on the gallows

0:45:29.120 --> 0:45:30.880
<v Speaker 4>that he uses against Iranian dissonance.

0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:35.000
<v Speaker 1>But I ask you about American media. Yeah, there are

0:45:35.000 --> 0:45:39.120
<v Speaker 1>four stories today Iran, you and I am talking about it, Minnesota,

0:45:39.840 --> 0:45:43.319
<v Speaker 1>warsh Bang named the FED chair, and Don Lemon. What

0:45:43.400 --> 0:45:45.600
<v Speaker 1>are the relative importance of those four stories?

0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:50.040
<v Speaker 4>Iran is the most important? And it's your great credit.

0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:53.640
<v Speaker 4>You have done a great job on your program kind

0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:56.919
<v Speaker 4>of talking about it. That that that changes so much,

0:45:56.960 --> 0:45:59.400
<v Speaker 4>not just the Middle East. It changes how we think

0:45:59.400 --> 0:46:01.919
<v Speaker 4>about nuclear non proliferation. I think it changes the great

0:46:01.920 --> 0:46:05.279
<v Speaker 4>power balance. I think it affects the Russia war with

0:46:05.440 --> 0:46:09.879
<v Speaker 4>Ukraine because Iran is a strategic partner with Russia. And

0:46:09.920 --> 0:46:13.360
<v Speaker 4>it's a great It's an important story for democracy because

0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:15.800
<v Speaker 4>I do think that that's what the Iranian people want,

0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:19.239
<v Speaker 4>not necessarily what you know Trump has articulated, but I

0:46:19.280 --> 0:46:22.680
<v Speaker 4>think if his actions can lead to a kind of

0:46:22.680 --> 0:46:28.160
<v Speaker 4>democratic restoration of sorts or a transition to democracy, I

0:46:28.160 --> 0:46:31.120
<v Speaker 4>think it's world's historic far more important. As much as

0:46:31.160 --> 0:46:34.560
<v Speaker 4>I think you know obviously understand why Ice and Minnesota

0:46:34.600 --> 0:46:37.200
<v Speaker 4>is in the news. You know, Don Lemon, it's a

0:46:37.200 --> 0:46:40.000
<v Speaker 4>bit of a stunt, and the Federal Reserve is important,

0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:41.680
<v Speaker 4>but Iran I think outpaces them all.

0:46:42.239 --> 0:46:44.280
<v Speaker 1>I agree, and by a lot. Now, does the media

0:46:44.320 --> 0:46:46.239
<v Speaker 1>coverage and thanks for your kind words, but does the

0:46:46.280 --> 0:46:49.760
<v Speaker 1>media coverage reflect the fact that what goes on in Iran,

0:46:49.840 --> 0:46:52.719
<v Speaker 1>particularly if the regime were to collapse and thirty five

0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:54.880
<v Speaker 1>thousand people killed, although I saw a number today of

0:46:54.920 --> 0:46:58.120
<v Speaker 1>sixty eight thousand killed. What is wrong with the American media?

0:46:58.239 --> 0:47:00.360
<v Speaker 1>Is it that they're afraid to cover Irun? Don't know

0:47:00.360 --> 0:47:03.280
<v Speaker 1>how to that the coverage indicts Obama and Biden?

0:47:03.480 --> 0:47:06.120
<v Speaker 4>What do you think it is? And fairness, it's a

0:47:06.120 --> 0:47:11.960
<v Speaker 4>hard target. US Western publications don't have the kind of

0:47:12.239 --> 0:47:15.560
<v Speaker 4>resources there. But I think it's also something that you know,

0:47:15.560 --> 0:47:17.880
<v Speaker 4>there are plenty of Iranians who are getting information and

0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:21.759
<v Speaker 4>outlets like Iran International that can be used in some

0:47:21.800 --> 0:47:25.680
<v Speaker 4>ways to kind of get reporting. And I think it's

0:47:25.719 --> 0:47:30.319
<v Speaker 4>also just there is it's in the kind of constituency

0:47:30.360 --> 0:47:32.920
<v Speaker 4>that we saw, you know, with a sort of radicalized

0:47:32.960 --> 0:47:34.960
<v Speaker 4>leftist base with we saw with the God of War.

0:47:35.440 --> 0:47:38.560
<v Speaker 4>But Iran's behind it. I mean, if if we can

0:47:38.560 --> 0:47:40.879
<v Speaker 4>get rid of this, I think it'll be really one

0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:44.439
<v Speaker 4>of an enormous accomplishment right up there, you know, with

0:47:44.600 --> 0:47:46.439
<v Speaker 4>Harry Truman and Ronald Reagan.

0:47:46.800 --> 0:47:51.480
<v Speaker 1>And I think with HW getting Iraq out of Kuwait

0:47:51.560 --> 0:47:53.400
<v Speaker 1>many many years ago, yes, last.

0:47:53.280 --> 0:47:56.080
<v Speaker 4>But also managing managing the end of the Cold War correctly.

0:47:56.520 --> 0:47:59.920
<v Speaker 4>HWS deserves a lot of credit along with Reagan obviously,

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<v Speaker 4>but like HW was in a period where things could

0:48:03.080 --> 0:48:05.360
<v Speaker 4>have gone a lot of different ways, he managed to

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<v Speaker 4>help unify Germany. Uh we do not credit HW enough.

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<v Speaker 4>I certainly didn't when I was a younger writer. Uh,

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<v Speaker 4>but I have much more of an appreciation for him now.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to play for you a cut from the

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<v Speaker 1>Oval today. It's Donald Trump talking to an ABC reporter.

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<v Speaker 1>Cut number three.

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<v Speaker 5>And why are you? Who are you with? You're a

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<v Speaker 5>loud person?

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<v Speaker 1>Loud go ahead, go ahead, please, go ahead, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 5>The way is truly one of the worst.

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<v Speaker 1>So, uh, Eli, this sort of back and forth with

0:48:49.880 --> 0:48:54.759
<v Speaker 1>the press has an impact. It does reduce the credibility

0:48:54.760 --> 0:48:56.960
<v Speaker 1>of all news. I think it does have an impact.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you think can I make us lightly and

0:49:00.360 --> 0:49:04.920
<v Speaker 4>humorous remark? I hope it's humorous. Most columnists, like myself,

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<v Speaker 4>we kind of secretly want to be president or a

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<v Speaker 4>secretary of state. We have the first president who actually

0:49:10.920 --> 0:49:13.239
<v Speaker 4>would rather sometimes be a media critic, Like I think

0:49:13.239 --> 0:49:14.440
<v Speaker 4>he wants to be a columnist.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>To me, I'm like, you're the president, man, like you

0:49:18.200 --> 0:49:19.960
<v Speaker 4>could do what you want, you make the news. But

0:49:20.040 --> 0:49:21.200
<v Speaker 4>you know he's obsessed with it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think the method is just to de legitimize

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<v Speaker 1>legacy media. And after ten years, it's been ten years

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<v Speaker 1>of this Eli. That's why their numbers are down. Something

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<v Speaker 1>Don't forget. My code is Hugh John Ellis. John is

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<v Speaker 1>the founder and editor in chief of News Items, which

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<v Speaker 1>I often quote on the program and begin each weekend

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<v Speaker 1>weekend review show with him. John I sent you a

0:51:17.760 --> 0:51:21.080
<v Speaker 1>note saying can you add and sculpt the issues a

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<v Speaker 1>bit to Iran. You've got other stuff we want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about, but let's start with the OS open source

0:51:28.120 --> 0:51:32.160
<v Speaker 1>intel post of eleven minutes ago. Senior US military officials

0:51:32.160 --> 0:51:34.440
<v Speaker 1>have informed the leadership of a key US ally in

0:51:34.440 --> 0:51:37.040
<v Speaker 1>the Middle East that Donald Trump could authorize US attack

0:51:37.080 --> 0:51:40.840
<v Speaker 1>on Iran this weekend. Strikes could commence as early as Sunday.

0:51:40.840 --> 0:51:43.600
<v Speaker 1>Other information suggests we're still getting our ducks in a row.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think of the likelihood and the consequences.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know the likelihood, but it seems more likely

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<v Speaker 5>than not. You know, we have Israel would very much

0:51:57.600 --> 0:52:02.200
<v Speaker 5>like us to help them take out the nuclear facility,

0:52:03.800 --> 0:52:08.760
<v Speaker 5>and our allies in the region, particularly South Saudi Arabia,

0:52:09.320 --> 0:52:15.680
<v Speaker 5>are much more hesitant to endure a US attack. The

0:52:15.760 --> 0:52:20.360
<v Speaker 5>thing people forget is that in September of twenty nineteen,

0:52:21.200 --> 0:52:28.160
<v Speaker 5>Iran sent laser guided missiles to hit the Saudi Aramco

0:52:28.520 --> 0:52:33.640
<v Speaker 5>oil processing facility, and they had the option of hitting

0:52:33.840 --> 0:52:37.520
<v Speaker 5>the tanks and blowing the whole thing to smithereens, or

0:52:37.600 --> 0:52:40.839
<v Speaker 5>hitting various pipes which would not blow the whole thing

0:52:41.239 --> 0:52:44.799
<v Speaker 5>to smitherings. The Iranians chose the pipes, which was a

0:52:44.800 --> 0:52:48.399
<v Speaker 5>strong message to Saudi Arabia that they could have hit

0:52:48.440 --> 0:52:52.560
<v Speaker 5>the tanks, and that, I think is that is etched

0:52:52.600 --> 0:52:56.880
<v Speaker 5>into the memory of Saudi Arabia in acid. So I

0:52:56.920 --> 0:53:01.080
<v Speaker 5>think that our principal ally on the air side is very,

0:53:01.239 --> 0:53:03.320
<v Speaker 5>very reluctant to see a US strike.

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<v Speaker 1>You often talk on news items with Richard haw sometimes

0:53:08.200 --> 0:53:10.480
<v Speaker 1>on your Night Owls podcast, the former head of the

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<v Speaker 1>ACCOUNTSL on Foreign Relations. What's he thinking about this because

0:53:13.400 --> 0:53:18.520
<v Speaker 1>he represents sort of mainstream, center right real politique.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think he thinks, you know that the US

0:53:24.560 --> 0:53:28.440
<v Speaker 5>has a lot of options. They can obviously strike the

0:53:28.480 --> 0:53:31.719
<v Speaker 5>nuclear facility, but they can also say, look, we will

0:53:31.760 --> 0:53:35.759
<v Speaker 5>strike you, but if you curtail you know, these activities

0:53:35.800 --> 0:53:39.640
<v Speaker 5>and those activities which would include, you know, support for

0:53:39.840 --> 0:53:45.120
<v Speaker 5>armed proxies, limits on the number and range of ballistic missiles,

0:53:45.600 --> 0:53:48.719
<v Speaker 5>that maybe, you know, you could get some agreement there,

0:53:49.000 --> 0:53:51.799
<v Speaker 5>he thinks. And I think most people think it's unlikely

0:53:52.280 --> 0:53:54.920
<v Speaker 5>that the Iranians will ever give up the nuclear program.

0:53:54.960 --> 0:53:58.239
<v Speaker 5>We can delay it, but they'll keep at it. So

0:53:58.320 --> 0:54:00.920
<v Speaker 5>his is sort of what can you what can you

0:54:01.000 --> 0:54:04.880
<v Speaker 5>realistically expect to get? He makes the point, and I

0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:07.480
<v Speaker 5>think it's the right one. Which is the greatest weakness.

0:54:07.520 --> 0:54:11.520
<v Speaker 5>The glaring weakness of the regime is the economy. So

0:54:11.680 --> 0:54:14.759
<v Speaker 5>as much pressure as you can possibly put on their economy,

0:54:15.480 --> 0:54:18.600
<v Speaker 5>the much more likely you are to get positive results.

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<v Speaker 1>In other ways, how do you think our friends in

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<v Speaker 1>China and Russia view this?

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<v Speaker 5>I think that I think of it as from China's

0:54:29.760 --> 0:54:32.360
<v Speaker 5>point of view, a lot of oil comes from Iran,

0:54:34.000 --> 0:54:37.440
<v Speaker 5>but that they're less and less dependent upon that. I

0:54:37.480 --> 0:54:40.160
<v Speaker 5>think from China's point of view, anything that distracts the

0:54:40.320 --> 0:54:43.719
<v Speaker 5>US is a good thing, and I think the same

0:54:43.800 --> 0:54:48.240
<v Speaker 5>is true for the Russians. If the US is preoccupied

0:54:48.440 --> 0:54:51.600
<v Speaker 5>with a war in the Middle East, they're going to

0:54:51.600 --> 0:54:54.960
<v Speaker 5>be less likely to pay attention to what's going on

0:54:55.040 --> 0:54:59.640
<v Speaker 5>in Ukraine. China. Same thing that they will be They

0:54:59.680 --> 0:55:02.239
<v Speaker 5>would calculate that the US would be less interested in

0:55:02.320 --> 0:55:06.399
<v Speaker 5>what's going on in Taiwan. So I think they think

0:55:06.520 --> 0:55:09.880
<v Speaker 5>any kind of action that causes the US to be

0:55:09.960 --> 0:55:13.160
<v Speaker 5>distracted from the Chinese side and the Russian point of view,

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<v Speaker 5>it's probably something they would like.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. I was a question on this topic nineteen ninety one.

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<v Speaker 1>Sadam invades Kuwait and the world quickly agrees that's just

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<v Speaker 1>not acceptable under international norms. Very similar to what happened

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<v Speaker 1>after Ukraine was invaded the second time, murdering. You know,

0:55:30.080 --> 0:55:32.520
<v Speaker 1>I saw an estimatede of sixty eight thousand. It had

0:55:32.560 --> 0:55:35.680
<v Speaker 1>been between thirty and forty thousand of Iron's own citizens,

0:55:35.680 --> 0:55:38.280
<v Speaker 1>and I saw sixty eight thousand a day. In any event,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the biggest scene since Bobby Are. Can the world

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<v Speaker 1>just afford not to do anything about that? John Ellis, I.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't know that we can immediately. I think over time

0:55:49.760 --> 0:55:53.240
<v Speaker 5>we can certainly do a lot to make the regime

0:55:53.320 --> 0:55:59.000
<v Speaker 5>pay for that. The regime, you know, it's advertised as

0:55:59.040 --> 0:56:04.840
<v Speaker 5>sort of a theocraft autocracy. In fact, the theocracy sits

0:56:04.880 --> 0:56:08.400
<v Speaker 5>on top of what is essentially a military operation, the

0:56:08.400 --> 0:56:13.399
<v Speaker 5>Iranian Revolutionary Guard, and they are willing to kill as

0:56:13.400 --> 0:56:18.600
<v Speaker 5>many people as possible to stay in power. So it's

0:56:18.680 --> 0:56:21.120
<v Speaker 5>going to be bloody, and you're not going to win

0:56:21.160 --> 0:56:25.080
<v Speaker 5>a war against them in any near term way. But

0:56:25.360 --> 0:56:28.120
<v Speaker 5>over time, if you wear down the economy and if

0:56:28.160 --> 0:56:32.000
<v Speaker 5>you keep up the pressure, I think that public support

0:56:32.040 --> 0:56:33.320
<v Speaker 5>will eventually collapse.

0:56:34.200 --> 0:56:37.080
<v Speaker 1>Oil is at sixty five dollars and fifty nine cents

0:56:37.160 --> 0:56:40.120
<v Speaker 1>creweds benchmark. If it goes to seventy, a lot of

0:56:40.120 --> 0:56:42.000
<v Speaker 1>people are going to be under stress. You sent me

0:56:42.040 --> 0:56:45.040
<v Speaker 1>a note about the Norwegian Sovereign Well Fund stress test.

0:56:45.480 --> 0:56:46.240
<v Speaker 1>What did it show?

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<v Speaker 5>The stress test they do a stress test to see

0:56:50.440 --> 0:56:56.440
<v Speaker 5>a climate disaster you meltdown in the AI space. Just

0:56:56.480 --> 0:57:00.840
<v Speaker 5>to make sure that they have two trillion dollars their management.

0:57:01.680 --> 0:57:04.480
<v Speaker 5>So they have to pay very careful attention to what

0:57:04.520 --> 0:57:08.560
<v Speaker 5>would happen to markets if something terrible were to happen.

0:57:09.160 --> 0:57:13.440
<v Speaker 5>And what they found was that in the climate emergency

0:57:13.480 --> 0:57:16.680
<v Speaker 5>of some kind that led to food shortages and so

0:57:16.760 --> 0:57:20.720
<v Speaker 5>on and so forth, that the value of their portfolio

0:57:20.800 --> 0:57:26.880
<v Speaker 5>would decline by twenty five percent. If the AI bubble burst,

0:57:27.640 --> 0:57:32.240
<v Speaker 5>the value of their portfolio might decline by as much

0:57:32.240 --> 0:57:35.400
<v Speaker 5>as forty five percent. So it's not you know, these

0:57:35.440 --> 0:57:38.000
<v Speaker 5>are stress tests, they're extreme and so on and so forth,

0:57:38.040 --> 0:57:42.720
<v Speaker 5>But it does give you an idea of if there

0:57:42.760 --> 0:57:47.560
<v Speaker 5>were some kind of major event, just how vulnerable you

0:57:47.600 --> 0:57:52.320
<v Speaker 5>know the financial markets are? Too extreme volatility.

0:57:52.400 --> 0:57:55.040
<v Speaker 1>Telling you about vulnerability. I used to write a weekly

0:57:55.120 --> 0:57:57.840
<v Speaker 1>column for the Washington Post, had a wonderful run there.

0:57:57.920 --> 0:58:01.680
<v Speaker 1>It is my policy never to to drag former colleagues.

0:58:01.680 --> 0:58:03.400
<v Speaker 1>But you sent me a note about it. I had

0:58:03.480 --> 0:58:06.160
<v Speaker 1>no idea they were this much in trouble.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, the Washington Post. My friend Matt Murray is the

0:58:10.880 --> 0:58:13.880
<v Speaker 5>editor in chief of the Washington Post, and you said

0:58:13.920 --> 0:58:16.240
<v Speaker 5>the reason that he didn't really enjoy his job when

0:58:16.240 --> 0:58:17.880
<v Speaker 5>he was the editor in chief of the Wall Street

0:58:17.960 --> 0:58:21.040
<v Speaker 5>Journalist that he had to fire, you know, one hundred

0:58:21.080 --> 0:58:25.640
<v Speaker 5>people every quarter. They're now talking about basically shutting down

0:58:25.680 --> 0:58:32.080
<v Speaker 5>their sports coverage, drastically reducing their international coverage, and immediately

0:58:32.120 --> 0:58:37.240
<v Speaker 5>apparently they're going to lay off three hundred reporters and editors.

0:58:38.080 --> 0:58:41.960
<v Speaker 5>So there's been you know, as much the media loves

0:58:41.960 --> 0:58:44.280
<v Speaker 5>to talk about nothing more than the media, and so

0:58:44.360 --> 0:58:46.480
<v Speaker 5>there's been a lot of back and forth about how

0:58:46.560 --> 0:58:49.800
<v Speaker 5>durable this all is, and it certainly is for the

0:58:49.800 --> 0:58:52.680
<v Speaker 5>people who are going to lose their jobs. The question

0:58:52.880 --> 0:58:57.360
<v Speaker 5>is is the Post viable and the Post turn it around,

0:58:58.200 --> 0:59:00.960
<v Speaker 5>And the answer to that is probably no. And so

0:59:01.480 --> 0:59:03.680
<v Speaker 5>the question is, well, then why are they doing this,

0:59:05.160 --> 0:59:06.880
<v Speaker 5>you know, why don't they just shut it down? Why

0:59:07.040 --> 0:59:10.040
<v Speaker 5>lose any more money? And the reason for that is

0:59:10.200 --> 0:59:13.320
<v Speaker 5>that the Post is actually a very attractive asset to

0:59:13.400 --> 0:59:17.600
<v Speaker 5>a range. You know, a wide range of buyers. Bloomberg

0:59:17.640 --> 0:59:21.560
<v Speaker 5>would be interested, News Corp. Would be interested, Private equity

0:59:21.640 --> 0:59:24.480
<v Speaker 5>that focuses on media would be interested. I mean, there

0:59:24.480 --> 0:59:27.680
<v Speaker 5>are six or eight groups that would be interested in

0:59:27.720 --> 0:59:30.600
<v Speaker 5>acquiring the Posts. So if the Post cleans up his

0:59:30.840 --> 0:59:33.919
<v Speaker 5>balance sheet in twenty twenty six, then may be able

0:59:33.960 --> 0:59:38.680
<v Speaker 5>to fetch a much higher price than they would at present. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't believe in mind reading, but have you seen

0:59:40.720 --> 0:59:44.920
<v Speaker 1>anything that explains why Jeff Bezos may have grown tired

0:59:44.960 --> 0:59:47.720
<v Speaker 1>of his experiment. I thought it was a good move

0:59:47.880 --> 0:59:51.320
<v Speaker 1>for Amazon, putting it to HQ two across the river

0:59:52.040 --> 0:59:55.440
<v Speaker 1>from the Post, that it would be make sense to

0:59:55.520 --> 0:59:58.560
<v Speaker 1>move in big time and get the Post. But seventy

0:59:58.560 --> 1:00:00.520
<v Speaker 1>five million dollars a year in pocket change, even to

1:00:00.600 --> 1:00:03.240
<v Speaker 1>Jeff Bezos, yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I think, I mean, I think the calculation aside from

1:00:06.040 --> 1:00:08.200
<v Speaker 5>maybe he wanted to be a publisher of a major

1:00:08.280 --> 1:00:12.640
<v Speaker 5>news outlet, but from an Amazon point of view, owning

1:00:12.680 --> 1:00:18.960
<v Speaker 5>the Washington Post gives you a certain protection against congressional

1:00:19.680 --> 1:00:25.080
<v Speaker 5>inquiries and executive antagonism, or at least so he thought.

1:00:25.800 --> 1:00:29.120
<v Speaker 5>Trump completely upended that model. I mean, I can't imagine

1:00:29.240 --> 1:00:33.320
<v Speaker 5>Barack Obama or George W. Bush or you know, Bill Clinton,

1:00:33.320 --> 1:00:37.640
<v Speaker 5>never thinking about going after the Washington Post. But Trump

1:00:37.680 --> 1:00:41.800
<v Speaker 5>had no problem doing that. And thus what Bezos thought

1:00:41.920 --> 1:00:45.560
<v Speaker 5>was an asset, something that would help him get through

1:00:45.640 --> 1:00:48.160
<v Speaker 5>stuff that he thought he would he needed to get

1:00:48.200 --> 1:00:51.400
<v Speaker 5>through in Washington, or at least prevent him from being

1:00:51.920 --> 1:00:55.840
<v Speaker 5>you know, attacked by Congress or regulatory agencies or whatever.

1:00:56.800 --> 1:00:58.680
<v Speaker 5>It turned out not to be an asset. It turned

1:00:58.720 --> 1:01:03.520
<v Speaker 5>out to be a liability almost one hundred percent because

1:01:03.560 --> 1:01:07.080
<v Speaker 5>of Trump. And so you know, what do you do? Well,

1:01:07.280 --> 1:01:09.400
<v Speaker 5>you can turn around the paper, you can try to

1:01:09.800 --> 1:01:12.720
<v Speaker 5>or you can put the paper in proper order and

1:01:12.920 --> 1:01:13.320
<v Speaker 5>sell it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I can see what they're gonna do. You persuaded

1:01:16.000 --> 1:01:19.120
<v Speaker 1>me that that's what's going on there. John Ellis, Editor

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<v Speaker 1>and chief founder of News Items. You can read news

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<v Speaker 1>items every morning. It is the thing to go to

1:01:24.800 --> 1:01:27.240
<v Speaker 1>every single morning. But you got to go to news Items.

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<v Speaker 1>Google news Items John Ellis, and you will find yourself there.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the best, if not the best morning new

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<v Speaker 1>heads around in America. Thank you, John,