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Speaker 1: hope you're out there working out on Saturday. Have a

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Speaker 1: big weekend pod for you, focused almost exclusively on Iran,

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Speaker 1: with a little bit of Minnesota, but mostly on Iran

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Speaker 1: because the war that looms there could be enormous, could

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Speaker 1: be huge. And the latest reporting that we've got from

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Speaker 1: the Times of Israel is that talks have been breaking down.

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Speaker 1: The Iranian senior officials have rejected President Trump's demand that

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Speaker 1: they curb their nuclear activities, turn over their physile material,

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Speaker 1: and get her to the missiles, the ballistic missiles which

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Speaker 1: threatened all of our allies, beginning with Israel, but also

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Speaker 1: the Golf Cooperation Council, Turkey, maybe Europe. They might be

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Speaker 1: So I expect something to happen. I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: going to happen this weekend, but it might. That's why

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Speaker 1: I've got a special emergency podcast that brought together all

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Speaker 1: of my interviews from the past three weeks with people

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Speaker 1: who know what they're talking about Iran, and they are

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Speaker 1: all available. Go over again to where we get your

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Speaker 1: podcast and you'll find that special emergency broadcast. But today

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Speaker 1: is a look back with Matt Continetti, Ben Dominich, Eli

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Speaker 1: Lake and John Ellis. If everything that's happened and what

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Speaker 1: think are the risks. Do not miss a minute of

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Speaker 1: todays you here at show Welcome Back in America. I'm

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Speaker 1: Hugh Hewittt joined by Matt Continetti. Matt is the head

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Speaker 1: calumnist for the Wall Street Journal. Welcome back, Matt, good

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Speaker 1: Friday to you. I want to start I'm going to

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Speaker 1: to actually be in with Prime Minister kir Starmer visiting

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Lai is a British citizen who is going to

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Speaker 1: by a person who he is supposed to be pledged

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a start to say his name, Hugh, but

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Speaker 2: it's clearly not enough. Jimmy Lai's legal saga has been

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Speaker 2: going on for years. We're all aware that he is

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Speaker 2: So it's good that Kirs Starmer mentioned Jimmy Lai, but

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Speaker 2: I hope that President Trump brings up Jimmy Lai as

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Speaker 1: He has told me he has done it before. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure he'll do it again. But I think when you're bought,

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Speaker 1: was very disappointed now to Iran. Well, first to the

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Speaker 1: media coverage of Iran. There are four stories today, Iran, Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: warship to the fad Reserve, and Don Lemon. What do

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Speaker 1: what order, Matt.

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Speaker 2: Kane, are we ascending or descending? Well, obviously Don Lemon

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Speaker 2: is the least important. Yes, you know, I would say

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Speaker 1: That's my conclusion too. Why is it Do they lack

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Speaker 2: Well, I have a rule, Hugh, which is that the

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Speaker 1: trouble with proportionality. We've got at least thirty five thousand

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're just tracking the developments, as I

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Speaker 2: And you know President Trump, he always leaves negotiations open,

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Speaker 1: senior US military officials have informed the leadership of a

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Speaker 1: But I also see that a lot of our big

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Speaker 2: Things, absolutely, yeah, And I think that's why Trump has

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the f site is clear is that

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Speaker 2: you could deal a lethal blow to the missile program.

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Speaker 2: you would set the conditions for an eventual regime collapse

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Speaker 2: when the Iranian people can exploit the weaknesses of the

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Speaker 2: The downsize a of course, retaliation attack on US forces

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Speaker 2: be aware that President Trump has laid down a very

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Speaker 2: fine line here. He has said repeatedly that Iran needs

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Speaker 2: Demand I think that we're making to the Iranians, which

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Speaker 2: They shouldn't be allowed. So he's laid down these lines, Hugh,

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Speaker 2: We have other assets in the Mediterranean and elsewhere. That's

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Speaker 2: exactly what he did with Venezuela, right, And and.

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Speaker 2: When we thought it wasn't going to happen, Maduro was

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Speaker 1: Up on Saturday morning and see something happening. Stay tuned, America.

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Speaker 1: I'll be right back with Matt Continetti. Welcome back in America.

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Speaker 1: I'm who Hewett with mad Continetti of AI and Wall

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Speaker 1: Street Journal columnist Matt. I have tried to talk to

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Speaker 1: every Iran expert that I can. The one I found

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Speaker 1: Mark Montgomery, retired United States Navy. He's actually run a

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Speaker 1: I have been quoting Matt Connety's theory of re regime coercion,

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Speaker 1: We're going to get to Iran Ben, but I got

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Speaker 1: It's it's sports. How can the past be walking away

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Speaker 3: This funny thing is almost as soon as our franchise

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Speaker 3: Hugh Hugh, he has one of the greatest lines in

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Speaker 3: asked about his injury early after coming into into the league,

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Speaker 3: and Held responded, the Russian machine never break.

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Speaker 1: I feel like a bad guy from the Saloon film.

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Speaker 3: So no, he really is. But this is the thing.

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Speaker 3: You had these quality teams that people were trying to

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Speaker 3: find problems with him at the same time they were

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Speaker 3: just devoted to these these woke causes over and over again,

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Speaker 3: and really the featuring of these voices that were more

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Speaker 3: about kind of agonizing over how awful it was in

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Speaker 3: a stain on the nation that we had, you know,

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Speaker 3: the Washington Redskins here and to me, and I'm not

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Speaker 3: being entirely facetious about this, I think that sports section

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Speaker 3: died when Dan Schneyder sold the team because they basically,

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Speaker 3: you know, made buck off of just going after him

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Speaker 3: for the pleasure of their event.

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Speaker 1: But it's a great sports the base. I don't like

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Speaker 1: the Nationals. I'm an American leaguey, I'm a Guardian's guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But I read Tom Boswell and I don't like the Redskins.

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Speaker 1: I don't follow them. I don't dislike them. They're national

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Speaker 1: and I'm a Browns fan, but they've got great franchise.

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Speaker 1: The Caps are you know, forever, they're like the Calves.

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Speaker 1: They'll never win anything, but I guess the Cavs won

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Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. You've got a great base of people,

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Speaker 1: and you can sell newspapers and.

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Speaker 3: And here's here's there's another element of this hue that

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Speaker 3: you you probably know or just you know, can can

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Speaker 3: incline towards there. They are the broadest and most diverse

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Speaker 3: in terms of any of the unifying elements in DC.

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Speaker 3: You're right, you have to make second white fans together

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Speaker 3: with completely opposite political views, and they are you know,

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Speaker 3: joined at the hip, cheering for their team. So it's

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Speaker 3: actually this great you it's one of the few unifying

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Speaker 3: things in this area, which, by the way, is an

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Speaker 3: area where there are people who actually not everyone is transitory.

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Speaker 3: Not everybody just comes in and out. And that's why

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Speaker 3: you know, my my mom gets gets season package every

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Speaker 3: year that US kids buy for her to go to

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Speaker 3: the Nationals games. She loves baseball, She scores the games,

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Speaker 3: and she sits across from two old black dudes in

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Speaker 3: their seventies and they and they just you know, go

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Speaker 3: back and forth about which relievers they like and which

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Speaker 3: people they hate, and that's the kind of thing is

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Speaker 3: great for a community.

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Speaker 1: Well would you how would you rate the Beltway as

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Speaker 1: a sports town? I've told people Cleveland may be the

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Speaker 1: best sports town in America compared to la It certainly

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Speaker 1: is about a thousand times better. And the Orange County

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Speaker 1: with the Angels in San die Southern California, just does

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Speaker 1: not love them the way that Cleveland does. When there's

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Speaker 1: no alternative, how do you put the Beltway sports community

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Speaker 1: in the d C?

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Speaker 3: D C is second tier. The reason that we're second

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Speaker 3: tier is because it's actually a basketball town and the

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Speaker 3: basketball team sucks, has always and has always sucked. I

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Speaker 3: mean I and I saw I mean I saw Jordan

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Speaker 3: on his on his tour here, I saw him in

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Speaker 3: his in Yao Ming's first game here. I went to

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Speaker 3: that one. And it's one of these things where just

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Speaker 3: this is a this is an area that really is

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Speaker 3: more basketball focused after the after the Redskins, and they

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Speaker 3: just don't have that. And unfortunately, until that gets good again,

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Speaker 3: they're they're just well, take a.

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Speaker 1: Minute before we go to the break, We'll do a run.

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Speaker 1: In the second segment, tell the tell the audience who

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Speaker 1: George Michaels, Because when I moved there in eighty three,

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Speaker 1: I was hooked immediately, and he was. He's a forerunner

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Speaker 1: of ESPN, actually.

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Speaker 3: He really was. And and he had this amazing clip

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Speaker 3: show and uh with with all sorts of funny jabs

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Speaker 3: and and commentary and things like that. Uh, he was

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Speaker 3: just an out sort of outsized personality. They made fun

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Speaker 3: of it on SNL if you can look it up

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Speaker 3: with George Wills Sports Machine, one of the epic one

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Speaker 3: of the epic clips from from SNL with Dana Carvey,

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Speaker 3: I believe. But it's one of these things that it was.

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Speaker 3: It was just a forerunner of that idea that this

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Speaker 3: is a format that could work. You could do these

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Speaker 3: package clip shows from all around the country and show

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Speaker 3: kind of the best and the bloopers and everything like that.

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Speaker 3: And it was must see viewing for me as a kid.

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Speaker 3: And it's still something that I think of.

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Speaker 1: You watch the rest of the channel for Bob the Weatherman,

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Speaker 1: Jim Nance. I mean, it was the greatest television local

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Speaker 1: station I think I've ever watched consistently.

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Speaker 3: It was. It was incredible and and you know, we

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Speaker 3: were both sounding like old guys.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, I am an old guy. You're not, but

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Speaker 1: I was. I was a dad kid.

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Speaker 3: But look, I think I think that this is a

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Speaker 3: This is another situation where we have lost so much

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Speaker 3: in terms of local coverage. We've lost local coverage that

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Speaker 3: is high quality. We've seen so much of it just

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Speaker 3: drained and not be replaced. And that's actually the news

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Speaker 3: that people care the most about. It's very silly to

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Speaker 3: mean that.

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Speaker 1: None of the none of the snow has been removed

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Speaker 1: from d C.

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Speaker 3: You mean, why why does that happen? You know, well,

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Speaker 3: you know there's a guy from New York mag you know,

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Speaker 3: digs into it and finds out that there's not enough

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Speaker 3: that they you know, they had promised a bunch of

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Speaker 3: different snowplows and then they had far fewer that were

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Speaker 3: actually out on the roads than Mayor Bowser had said.

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Speaker 3: So my point is just like that, that local coverage

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Speaker 3: is what we need back. We need to bring that back.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk with Ben during break. But you folks

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Speaker 1: out there, no matter how bad you think your local

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Speaker 1: services are, they are not DC in a snowstorm. It

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Speaker 1: is a nightmare still, and there's another one coming. Ben dominance.

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Speaker 1: You will stay here and be here to talk to

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Speaker 1: Ryan after the break stage. I am back with Ben

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Speaker 1: Domini's during the break Ben, I'm going to save all

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Speaker 1: the iron staff in the next segment. So let's talk

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Speaker 1: about a story that doesn't matter, Don Lemon. I think

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Speaker 1: anyone who doesn't know how traumatized those kids are in

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Speaker 1: that church and what the parents were thinking. Because churches

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Speaker 1: have been invaded and people have been shot somewhat routinely

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Speaker 1: over the last ten years. Do you think Don Lemon

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Speaker 1: has a brain? How could he have done this?

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Speaker 3: That's a really tough question to answer you without the

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Speaker 3: smirching somebody's characters. Look, I have a very very low

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Speaker 3: opinion of Don Lemon. I think that he's a very

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Speaker 3: stupid person. He has been incredibly misogynoust to several of

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Speaker 3: my friends when he was at CNN. I do not

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Speaker 3: like the man at all, but I think that they

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Speaker 3: I generally viewed him as harmless, meaning stupid, rude, jerk, harmless.

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Speaker 3: This was something that was truly harmful, harmful to a community,

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Speaker 3: harmful to a church. I cannot imagine what it would

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Speaker 3: feel like sitting with I mean, you know when I

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Speaker 3: when when we go to church, you know, the older

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Speaker 3: daughter stays with me and and younger daughter goes to

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Speaker 3: Sunday school, and and it's it's I cannot imagine what

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Speaker 3: their reaction would be like to something like this. They

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Speaker 3: would think that there was going something going on that

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Speaker 3: was going to end up, you know, putting their lives

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Speaker 3: at risk.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Minnesota is an open and a close conceal carrie

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Speaker 1: and a shell issue. There could have been people with

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Speaker 1: hate in there. And and I honestly, I've seen too

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Speaker 1: many clips Colorado Springs comes to mind where the guy

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Speaker 1: drops the shooter at the door with a perfectly fired

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Speaker 1: two rounds because he was going to shoot up the

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Speaker 1: whole mega church.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there are.

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Speaker 1: Parents thinking, I'm surprised they demonstrated didn't get a chair of.

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Speaker 3: The head I got. I gotta be honest, I think

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Speaker 3: that they really, you know, not metaphorically dodged a bullet

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Speaker 3: in the sense that this is this is a situation

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Speaker 3: that could have gone much worse. But but look, we

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Speaker 3: have to make a clear example of this situation. You

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Speaker 3: don't get to just say I'm holding it. I'm holding

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Speaker 3: a phone in my hand and I have a YouTube channel,

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Speaker 3: so I can violate the law. And that's just not

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Speaker 3: the way that this works, you know. And it wouldn't

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Speaker 3: work if I and a bunch of friends of mine

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Speaker 3: decided to go into a mosque and start yelling at people,

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Speaker 3: you know, and and that kind of thing, and then said, well,

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Speaker 3: you know, I write for places and I'm on I'm

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Speaker 3: on TV, so I get to do this. No, that's

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Speaker 3: not the way that this works.

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Speaker 1: There is actually no constitutional protection. Some states have protection

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Speaker 1: for journalists, but not the federal law. There's no status

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Speaker 1: for journalists. Everyone's got the same First Amendment right and

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Speaker 1: they do not include what Don Lemon did. Now I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm not too sure I do more than give him

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Speaker 1: a hefty fine. He's gonna Abbey Lole is not cheap.

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Speaker 1: I almost went to work for Stan Brandon Abbey Lowle

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Speaker 1: when I left the Array administration, So.

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Speaker 3: Why so why is it always Abby Lowle? Always?

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Speaker 1: It's really good? And if Hunter Biden had started out

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Speaker 1: with Abbey Lole, he would not have ended up convicted,

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Speaker 1: but he wouldn't have tried to pull a fast one.

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Speaker 1: In my humble opinion, I think he ends up with

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Speaker 1: cases because he's really good. I don't know, do you

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Speaker 1: think Don Lemon's out of money to pull a stunt

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Speaker 1: like this.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that he actually does, though I will

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Speaker 3: say we don't actually know how much money he got

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Speaker 3: from X when he was briefly hired, you know, to

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Speaker 3: be a journalist for them and then promptly dismissed after

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Speaker 3: an uncomfortable interview with Elon. I think that this is

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Speaker 3: I think this is a situation that has to happen

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Speaker 3: on a certain level just to send the message that

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Speaker 3: this is something that you can't do a great or

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Speaker 3: just some random new cut. We're coming back on the network.

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Speaker 3: Extend by that, but I disagree.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to America. I'm Hugh Hewett, Ben Dominics, host

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Speaker 1: of the Big Ben Pod, is with a great episode

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Speaker 1: this week, including Bill Mallusian, who I did not know

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Speaker 1: is going up to cover Congress, and that wonderful guy

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Speaker 1: from Great Britain who really How did you find Winston Marshall?

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Speaker 1: I'd only seen him once.

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Speaker 3: Winston is a phenomenal guy. He is he has his face.

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Speaker 3: Do you know why he's famous? No, Winston Marshall is

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Speaker 3: famous because he was a banjo player in Mumford and Sons.

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Speaker 3: He got kicked out of the band or essentially politely

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Speaker 3: asked to leave in British fashion, after he endorsed a

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Speaker 3: book by Andy No and then refused to apologize for

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Speaker 3: endorsing the book. Oh and he is I think personally

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Speaker 3: both brilliant and a guy who fully understands what's going

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Speaker 3: on with the UK, Europe and the American relationship and

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Speaker 3: how toxic Britain in particular has become toward its own heritage.

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Speaker 1: Which I good for you for grabbing him. That was

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Speaker 1: he's in the news right now and I thought it

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Speaker 1: was an excellent get let's talk now, what does Ben

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Speaker 1: Dominic you think is going to happen hereon? Is it

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Speaker 1: go or no go? This weekend? Are we going to

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Speaker 1: be talking about it again a Friday from now about

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Speaker 1: whether it's go or no go?

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Speaker 3: Well, personally, I thought it was going to have a

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Speaker 3: little bit more time. But then I will admit that

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Speaker 3: off air with your producer he reminded me that there

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Speaker 3: is a certain anniversary on Sunday of that that I

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Speaker 3: think might appeal to the President in terms of just

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Speaker 3: you know, making for a good truth social post. And

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Speaker 3: I think that also, you know, one of the things

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Speaker 3: that we know about Donald Trump is that he makes

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Speaker 3: decisions before he makes the decision, meaning he has already

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Speaker 3: decided what he is going to do. It's just it's

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Speaker 3: just a sort of a he has this kind of

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Speaker 3: meandering way of saying, Oh, well, you know, we're going

653
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Speaker 3: to talk and we're going to see what's going to happen,

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Speaker 3: and you know, maybe there's a deal to be worked out,

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Speaker 3: and maybe there's something that he's already decided what he's

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Speaker 3: going to do. And I think that we know that

657
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Speaker 3: by now when he comes to foreign policy, you know,

658
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Speaker 3: he had determined he was going to do the Maduro

659
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Speaker 3: thing well before it happened. Okay, they had more than

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Speaker 3: a month of lead up time and practice and everything

661
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Speaker 3: going into it to make that happen. And so I

662
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Speaker 3: think the president has already decided that he is going

663
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Speaker 3: to do this. It's just a matter of his timing.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's probably going to be within the

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Speaker 3: next couple of days. Uh, and we're gonna have to

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Speaker 3: I mean, dude, this is this is uncharted territory.

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Speaker 1: Oh, this is big and this by the way I

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Speaker 1: do this, that can be anything from a couple of

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Speaker 1: blown up by our G. C. Barracks to thinking what's

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Speaker 1: left of the Iridian Navy to blown up Karj Island

671
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Speaker 1: to just doing an I.

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Speaker 3: Think it's I think it's one and two. Personally, I

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Speaker 3: just think that that's I think he's gonna uh. I

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Speaker 3: think this is gonna be significant. And look, there's a

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Speaker 3: major roll the dice with this one that I'm not

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Speaker 3: sure that you know, everyone in the country is necessarily

677
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Speaker 3: you know, prepared for. But look, this president. Gosh, you

678
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Speaker 3: he's in he's a year into his second term. Is

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Speaker 3: he the most important foreign policy president that we've had

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Speaker 3: in this.

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Speaker 1: Century from a nuclear r on.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you know, just in terms of the impact that

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Speaker 3: he has had in this short amount of time. It's

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Speaker 3: just it's astonishing to me because I just don't think

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Speaker 3: that people necessarily expected it. I also think that it's

686
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Speaker 3: going to put some people in a bind around him,

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Speaker 3: because you know, the whole argument for him that was

688
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Speaker 3: danced by a certain segment of people who said, you know,

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Speaker 3: who basically tried to pretend that Donald Trump was a dove,

690
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Speaker 3: which is not true and it's never been true, you know.

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Speaker 3: But then there's also people who I think tried to

692
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Speaker 3: kind of frame him as being something that he wasn't

693
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Speaker 3: look he sees the opportunity here. And I think that

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Speaker 3: this guy actually has deep empathy for the people who

695
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Speaker 3: are getting killed in the streets. And that's something that

696
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Speaker 3: you know, you saw when it came to the young

697
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Speaker 3: people getting killed in Ukraine. He always brings it up.

698
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Speaker 3: It's as if you know, he can't stand the fact

699
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Speaker 3: that journalists sort of forget to mention the death counts

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Speaker 3: and stuff like and and reports of that nature are

701
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Speaker 3: being put on his desk on a daily basis.

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Speaker 1: Now, John Radcliffe is the bog, the dog that never barks,

703
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Speaker 1: But the director of the Essential Intelligence must go in

704
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Speaker 1: there every day with more pictures and more numbers, and

705
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Speaker 1: the numbers on some of the independent reporting both in

706
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Speaker 1: Iran and Israel getting up closer to seventy thousand people

707
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Speaker 1: were murdered.

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Speaker 3: Me, I mean, this is it's astronomical. I mean, it's

709
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Speaker 3: incredible in terms of the of the degree of bloodshed

710
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Speaker 3: that is going on. And I think that there is

711
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Speaker 3: an opportunity here to achieve something good, to achieve something

712
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Speaker 3: that could remake the maps and be a great benefit

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Speaker 3: not just to us but our allies. And I think

714
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Speaker 3: the president has probably already decided what he's going to do,

715
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Speaker 3: and it's just a matter of time until he doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Ben dominised there were a lot of people who were

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Speaker 1: invested in the idea of making Iran into a responsible

718
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Speaker 1: regional player. President Obama and his whole team, President Biden,

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Speaker 1: their whole team, all the appeasers. They really thought they

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Speaker 1: could bring Iran into the community of nations. Do you

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Speaker 1: think any of them have realized in the aftermath of

722
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Speaker 1: this horrific two weeks what this regime was never planned

723
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Speaker 1: straight with them, that they got taken. In other words,

724
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Speaker 1: they answered the prints from Africa's email and setting money.

725
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Speaker 3: To you. I think Ben Rhodes wakes up every morning,

726
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 3: looks himself in the mirror and says, I am a

727
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 3: handsome man with a full head of hair. So look,

728
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Speaker 3: I do not think there is any there is there

729
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 3: is no willingness on their part and I have certainly

730
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Speaker 3: not seen it publicly. I do not expect to see it.

731
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Speaker 3: To look at this situation and to have any kind

732
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Speaker 3: of reconsideration of all the bad decisions that they made,

733
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Speaker 3: and they were terrible. I mean it really it set

734
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Speaker 3: us back in ways that you know. I think historians

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Speaker 3: will write about, you know, in significant ways. But look,

736
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Speaker 3: the point at this juncture, I think that we have

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Speaker 3: to hope for and pray for if you are you know,

738
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Speaker 3: of the prayerful mind, is that whatever operation that happens

739
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Speaker 3: is one that Americans can execute with success, because I

740
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Speaker 3: think that that will be of great benefit to the

741
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Speaker 3: people of Iran, and I think that it will be

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Speaker 3: something that will help ideally prevent this continued blowd to

743
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Speaker 3: prevent this type of rampant loss of life that we

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Speaker 3: have seen, and set the regime back on its heels

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Speaker 3: in a significant way.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Americans are aware that they could at

747
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Speaker 1: the aridions might be able to hit the Lincoln they hit,

748
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Speaker 1: They sent ICBMs and they hit our ballistic missiles, and

749
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Speaker 1: they hit Alosad Air Base very precisely. They have precision.

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Speaker 1: Got do you think they can kill a lot of

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Speaker 1: Americans before they go down?

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Speaker 3: I absolutely think that they can. And Hugh, I don't

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Speaker 3: think that Americans are aware of that. I just don't.

754
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Speaker 3: I don't think that this story has been you know,

755
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Speaker 3: fully unspooled, and I think that people are not really

756
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Speaker 3: paying attention to it. They've been focused more on the

757
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 3: domestic stories around Ice and Minnesota and everything else like that.

758
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Speaker 3: You know, in the linked in recent weeks, they haven't

759
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Speaker 3: been paying as much attention to what's going on there.

760
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Speaker 3: And part of that, of course, is is the Iranian

761
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Speaker 3: regimes total crackdown, you know, complete lockdown on on the

762
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Speaker 3: ability of people to get footage out in the way

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Speaker 3: that we normally experience it in conflicts. But look, you know,

764
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Speaker 3: that's something that I think people are going to have

765
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Speaker 3: to wake up to. And there's a very real possibility

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Speaker 3: that something like that happens.

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Speaker 1: And that's last question. Man, if the United States government

768
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Speaker 1: shut down the internet in the United States, what would

769
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Speaker 1: it do to our growth there? There's no business happening

770
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Speaker 1: in Iran right now. There's no backup when you turn

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Speaker 1: the internet off anywhere.

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Speaker 3: No, And I think that, and I think that this

773
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Speaker 3: is something that the protesters know as well. Uh and

774
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Speaker 3: they and this and look, there's a long story that

775
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Speaker 3: gave to this point. You know, this is this is good,

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Speaker 3: This is there's a lot of chickens coming home drus

777
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 3: here in terms of in terms of how we got here,

778
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Speaker 3: why there is such a divide between the people and

779
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Speaker 3: the regime. Why there is a possibility here of actually

780
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Speaker 3: having you know, a stable nation ideally, I mean in

781
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Speaker 3: the wake of this there isn't there is an opening.

782
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Speaker 3: There's a glean men.

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Speaker 1: All right for the praying people, That's what we'll pray for.

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Speaker 1: Ben Dominic, host of a Big Ben podcast. People go

785
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: and listen to it, like and subscribe it. Fox News

786
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: contributor Extraordinary and that podcast is one of the best

787
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: in America, The Big Ben Podcast. Go and listen to it,

788
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: stay tuned to the US show Welcome Back to America.

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Speaker 1: I'm Hue Hewitt and the Relief Backtors video West. Eli

790
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 1: Lake is the host of the Breaking History podcast, a

791
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: contributor to the Free Press, and an expert on Iran.

792
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Speaker 1: You'll hear him twice this weekend on my podcast because

793
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Speaker 1: I'm putting together all my long interviews on Iran. That's

794
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: gonna be a four hour podcast and then this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Eli about forty minutes ago, Open Source Intel, which is

796
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Speaker 1: one of my favorite and I think legitimate sites for

797
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: open source intel, posted senior US military officials informed the

798
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Speaker 1: leadership of a key US ally in the Middle East

799
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Speaker 1: that Donald Trump could authorize a US attack on Iran

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Speaker 1: this weekend strikes could commence as early as Sunday. The

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Speaker 1: Ally was informed if the US decides to move forward

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Speaker 1: sources tel drop site news, what do you make of that?

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Speaker 1: What do you make of this situation?

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Speaker 4: I am not a fan of drop site news, so

805
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Speaker 4: I don't know quite what to make of that. I

806
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 4: can tell you in my own reporting queue that one

807
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 4: of the big factors here is that the United States

808
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 4: does not have enough of the interceptors we use in

809
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Speaker 4: our THAD and Patriot missile defense systems, and that has

810
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Speaker 4: been a problem that frankly, our defense planners and past

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Speaker 4: presidents going back twenty years should have done something about.

812
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Speaker 4: We've had national security and defense strategies for a long

813
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Speaker 4: time that has anticipated the need for these interceptors. But

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Speaker 4: after Russia's invasion of Ukraine and our assistance to Ukraine,

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Speaker 4: which I supported, and then of course the use of

816
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Speaker 4: these interceptors in the Twelve Day War and the exchanges

817
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Speaker 4: between Israel and Iran, the cupboard is bare and we

818
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Speaker 4: don't have the capability. So that's one factor that I

819
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 4: know has been weighing on the planning and so forth.

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Speaker 4: And then I don't know what to make of it.

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Speaker 4: Trump himself, as we know, is the decider. He has

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Speaker 4: said at times that you know, he would love to

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Speaker 4: do a deal and that his conditions I don't think

824
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Speaker 4: are acceptable to comminate. So at some point I would

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00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 4: imagine the military option will be used. But on the

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Speaker 4: other hand, you know, he said he was negotiating, you know,

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Speaker 4: right before the Twelve Day War, and that was I

828
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Speaker 4: think one of the greatest moments of his presidency or

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Speaker 4: any presidency in my memory. So we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 4: But I know that there is this hard power restraint.

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Speaker 4: Iran still has ballistic missiles and we need to shoot

832
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Speaker 4: them down, and we don't have enough interceptors to do

833
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Speaker 4: that to defend our bases and our allies that.

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Speaker 1: Would argue, wouldn't it for a massive first strike coordinated

835
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Speaker 1: with Israel because Israel is likely on the receiving end

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Speaker 1: of those ballistic missiles as well as our basis.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and I think Israel's obviously knows that it's a target,

838
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Speaker 4: and we saw at the end of the Twelve day war,

839
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Speaker 4: you know, some of them get through and and in

840
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Speaker 4: some ways, you know, the Iranians are are aiming, you know,

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Speaker 4: for civilians the Iranians have threatened, you know, our basis

842
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 4: and so forth, so we'll see it is though, I

843
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 4: think whatever happens, Hugh, let's just take a step back.

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Speaker 4: This is this is a regime and death spiral. Sadly

845
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Speaker 4: they're going to take a lot of Iranian citizens along

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Speaker 4: with them. But I don't know how they recover the

847
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 4: economic vice that they're in right now. They don't have

848
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Speaker 4: a way out and at a certain point, you know,

849
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Speaker 4: if you can't pay your goon squads, historically speaking, they don't,

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Speaker 4: They're not going to fight out of you know. I

851
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Speaker 4: don't think you know, there's there's I would my assessment

852
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 4: would be that there's not even ten percent at this

853
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,959
Speaker 4: point of the population that even once Kamene would let alone,

854
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 4: would fight for him.

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Speaker 1: Now, Hamone is a nut, is a fanatic, and I

856
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: am afraid. He in his bunker and if anything starts

857
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: to just pushes every button he can Hitler style. I

858
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Speaker 1: agree with that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, I think that's probably right. I think he's

860
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Speaker 4: a he's an he's a millenarian, end times apocalyptic kind

861
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 4: of figure, and I don't I think he would he

862
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 4: would prefer to go out in a blaze of glory

863
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Speaker 4: in some ways. Ideally, I would love to see him

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Speaker 4: face a kind of people's tribunal from Iranians, and then

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Speaker 4: I would love to see him hanged on the gallows

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Speaker 4: that he uses against Iranian dissonance.

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Speaker 1: But I ask you about American media. Yeah, there are

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Speaker 1: four stories today Iran, you and I am talking about it, Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: warsh Bang named the FED chair, and Don Lemon. What

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Speaker 1: are the relative importance of those four stories?

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Speaker 4: Iran is the most important? And it's your great credit.

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Speaker 4: You have done a great job on your program kind

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Speaker 4: of talking about it. That that that changes so much,

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Speaker 4: not just the Middle East. It changes how we think

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Speaker 4: about nuclear non proliferation. I think it changes the great

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Speaker 4: power balance. I think it affects the Russia war with

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Speaker 4: Ukraine because Iran is a strategic partner with Russia. And

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Speaker 4: it's a great It's an important story for democracy because

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Speaker 4: I do think that that's what the Iranian people want,

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Speaker 4: not necessarily what you know Trump has articulated, but I

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Speaker 4: think if his actions can lead to a kind of

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Speaker 4: democratic restoration of sorts or a transition to democracy, I

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Speaker 4: think it's world's historic far more important. As much as

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Speaker 4: I think you know obviously understand why Ice and Minnesota

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Speaker 4: is in the news. You know, Don Lemon, it's a

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Speaker 4: bit of a stunt, and the Federal Reserve is important,

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Speaker 4: but Iran I think outpaces them all.

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Speaker 1: I agree, and by a lot. Now, does the media

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Speaker 1: coverage and thanks for your kind words, but does the

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Speaker 1: media coverage reflect the fact that what goes on in Iran,

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Speaker 1: particularly if the regime were to collapse and thirty five

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Speaker 1: thousand people killed, although I saw a number today of

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Speaker 1: sixty eight thousand killed. What is wrong with the American media?

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Speaker 1: Is it that they're afraid to cover Irun? Don't know

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Speaker 1: how to that the coverage indicts Obama and Biden?

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Speaker 4: What do you think it is? And fairness, it's a

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Speaker 4: hard target. US Western publications don't have the kind of

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Speaker 4: resources there. But I think it's also something that you know,

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Speaker 4: there are plenty of Iranians who are getting information and

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Speaker 4: outlets like Iran International that can be used in some

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Speaker 4: ways to kind of get reporting. And I think it's

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Speaker 4: also just there is it's in the kind of constituency

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Speaker 4: that we saw, you know, with a sort of radicalized

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Speaker 4: leftist base with we saw with the God of War.

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Speaker 4: But Iran's behind it. I mean, if if we can

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Speaker 4: get rid of this, I think it'll be really one

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Speaker 4: of an enormous accomplishment right up there, you know, with

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Speaker 4: Harry Truman and Ronald Reagan.

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Speaker 1: And I think with HW getting Iraq out of Kuwait

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Speaker 1: many many years ago, yes, last.

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Speaker 4: But also managing managing the end of the Cold War correctly.

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Speaker 4: HWS deserves a lot of credit along with Reagan obviously,

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Speaker 4: but like HW was in a period where things could

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Speaker 4: have gone a lot of different ways, he managed to

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Speaker 4: help unify Germany. Uh we do not credit HW enough.

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Speaker 4: I certainly didn't when I was a younger writer. Uh,

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Speaker 4: but I have much more of an appreciation for him now.

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Speaker 1: I want to play for you a cut from the

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Speaker 1: Oval today. It's Donald Trump talking to an ABC reporter.

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Speaker 1: Cut number three.

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Speaker 5: And why are you? Who are you with? You're a

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Speaker 5: loud person?

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Speaker 1: Loud go ahead, go ahead, please, go ahead, go ahead.

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Speaker 5: The way is truly one of the worst.

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Speaker 1: So, uh, Eli, this sort of back and forth with

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Speaker 1: the press has an impact. It does reduce the credibility

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Speaker 1: of all news. I think it does have an impact.

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Speaker 4: What do you think can I make us lightly and

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Speaker 4: humorous remark? I hope it's humorous. Most columnists, like myself,

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Speaker 4: we kind of secretly want to be president or a

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Speaker 4: secretary of state. We have the first president who actually

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Speaker 4: would rather sometimes be a media critic, Like I think

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: To me, I'm like, you're the president, man, like you

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Speaker 4: could do what you want, you make the news. But

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Speaker 1: So I think the method is just to de legitimize

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Speaker 1: legacy media. And after ten years, it's been ten years

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Speaker 1: of this Eli. That's why their numbers are down. Something

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Speaker 1: from Bloomberg. I came from Bloomberg. I was with daily

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Speaker 1: based Newsbek s. I've been in mainstream media. Mainstream media

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Speaker 1: Don't forget. My code is Hugh John Ellis. John is

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Speaker 1: the founder and editor in chief of News Items, which

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Speaker 1: I often quote on the program and begin each weekend

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Speaker 1: weekend review show with him. John I sent you a

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Speaker 1: note saying can you add and sculpt the issues a

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Speaker 1: bit to Iran. You've got other stuff we want to

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Speaker 1: talk about, but let's start with the OS open source

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Speaker 1: intel post of eleven minutes ago. Senior US military officials

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Speaker 1: have informed the leadership of a key US ally in

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Speaker 1: the Middle East that Donald Trump could authorize US attack

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Speaker 1: on Iran this weekend. Strikes could commence as early as Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Other information suggests we're still getting our ducks in a row.

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Speaker 1: What do you think of the likelihood and the consequences.

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Speaker 5: I don't know the likelihood, but it seems more likely

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Speaker 5: than not. You know, we have Israel would very much

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Speaker 5: like us to help them take out the nuclear facility,

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Speaker 5: and our allies in the region, particularly South Saudi Arabia,

985
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Speaker 5: are much more hesitant to endure a US attack. The

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Speaker 5: thing people forget is that in September of twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 5: Iran sent laser guided missiles to hit the Saudi Aramco

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Speaker 5: oil processing facility, and they had the option of hitting

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Speaker 5: the tanks and blowing the whole thing to smithereens, or

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Speaker 5: hitting various pipes which would not blow the whole thing

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Speaker 5: to smitherings. The Iranians chose the pipes, which was a

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Speaker 5: strong message to Saudi Arabia that they could have hit

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Speaker 5: the tanks, and that, I think is that is etched

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Speaker 5: into the memory of Saudi Arabia in acid. So I

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Speaker 5: think that our principal ally on the air side is very,

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Speaker 5: very reluctant to see a US strike.

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Speaker 1: You often talk on news items with Richard haw sometimes

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Speaker 1: on your Night Owls podcast, the former head of the

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Speaker 1: ACCOUNTSL on Foreign Relations. What's he thinking about this because

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Speaker 1: he represents sort of mainstream, center right real politique.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he thinks, you know that the US

1002
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Speaker 5: has a lot of options. They can obviously strike the

1003
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Speaker 5: nuclear facility, but they can also say, look, we will

1004
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Speaker 5: strike you, but if you curtail you know, these activities

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Speaker 5: and those activities which would include, you know, support for

1006
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Speaker 5: armed proxies, limits on the number and range of ballistic missiles,

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Speaker 5: that maybe, you know, you could get some agreement there,

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Speaker 5: he thinks. And I think most people think it's unlikely

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Speaker 5: that the Iranians will ever give up the nuclear program.

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Speaker 5: We can delay it, but they'll keep at it. So

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Speaker 5: his is sort of what can you what can you

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Speaker 5: realistically expect to get? He makes the point, and I

1013
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Speaker 5: think it's the right one. Which is the greatest weakness.

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00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 5: The glaring weakness of the regime is the economy. So

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Speaker 5: as much pressure as you can possibly put on their economy,

1016
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Speaker 5: the much more likely you are to get positive results.

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Speaker 1: In other ways, how do you think our friends in

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Speaker 1: China and Russia view this?

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Speaker 5: I think that I think of it as from China's

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Speaker 5: point of view, a lot of oil comes from Iran,

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Speaker 5: but that they're less and less dependent upon that. I

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Speaker 5: think from China's point of view, anything that distracts the

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Speaker 5: US is a good thing, and I think the same

1024
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Speaker 5: is true for the Russians. If the US is preoccupied

1025
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Speaker 5: with a war in the Middle East, they're going to

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Speaker 5: be less likely to pay attention to what's going on

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Speaker 5: in Ukraine. China. Same thing that they will be They

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Speaker 5: would calculate that the US would be less interested in

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Speaker 5: what's going on in Taiwan. So I think they think

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Speaker 5: any kind of action that causes the US to be

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Speaker 5: distracted from the Chinese side and the Russian point of view,

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Speaker 5: it's probably something they would like.

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Speaker 1: Well. I was a question on this topic nineteen ninety one.

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Speaker 1: Sadam invades Kuwait and the world quickly agrees that's just

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Speaker 1: not acceptable under international norms. Very similar to what happened

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Speaker 1: after Ukraine was invaded the second time, murdering. You know,

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Speaker 1: I saw an estimatede of sixty eight thousand. It had

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Speaker 1: been between thirty and forty thousand of Iron's own citizens,

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Speaker 1: and I saw sixty eight thousand a day. In any event,

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Speaker 1: it's the biggest scene since Bobby Are. Can the world

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Speaker 1: just afford not to do anything about that? John Ellis, I.

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Speaker 5: Don't know that we can immediately. I think over time

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Speaker 5: we can certainly do a lot to make the regime

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Speaker 5: pay for that. The regime, you know, it's advertised as

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Speaker 5: sort of a theocraft autocracy. In fact, the theocracy sits

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Speaker 5: on top of what is essentially a military operation, the

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Speaker 5: Iranian Revolutionary Guard, and they are willing to kill as

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Speaker 5: many people as possible to stay in power. So it's

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Speaker 5: going to be bloody, and you're not going to win

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Speaker 5: a war against them in any near term way. But

1051
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Speaker 5: over time, if you wear down the economy and if

1052
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Speaker 5: you keep up the pressure, I think that public support

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Speaker 5: will eventually collapse.

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Speaker 1: Oil is at sixty five dollars and fifty nine cents

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Speaker 1: creweds benchmark. If it goes to seventy, a lot of

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Speaker 1: people are going to be under stress. You sent me

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Speaker 1: a note about the Norwegian Sovereign Well Fund stress test.

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Speaker 1: What did it show?

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Speaker 5: The stress test they do a stress test to see

1060
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Speaker 5: a climate disaster you meltdown in the AI space. Just

1061
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Speaker 5: to make sure that they have two trillion dollars their management.

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Speaker 5: So they have to pay very careful attention to what

1063
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Speaker 5: would happen to markets if something terrible were to happen.

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Speaker 5: And what they found was that in the climate emergency

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Speaker 5: of some kind that led to food shortages and so

1066
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Speaker 5: on and so forth, that the value of their portfolio

1067
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Speaker 5: would decline by twenty five percent. If the AI bubble burst,

1068
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Speaker 5: the value of their portfolio might decline by as much

1069
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Speaker 5: as forty five percent. So it's not you know, these

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Speaker 5: are stress tests, they're extreme and so on and so forth,

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Speaker 5: But it does give you an idea of if there

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Speaker 5: were some kind of major event, just how vulnerable you

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Speaker 5: know the financial markets are? Too extreme volatility.

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Speaker 1: Telling you about vulnerability. I used to write a weekly

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Speaker 1: column for the Washington Post, had a wonderful run there.

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Speaker 1: It is my policy never to to drag former colleagues.

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Speaker 1: But you sent me a note about it. I had

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Speaker 1: no idea they were this much in trouble.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the Washington Post. My friend Matt Murray is the

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Speaker 5: editor in chief of the Washington Post, and you said

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Speaker 5: the reason that he didn't really enjoy his job when

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Speaker 5: he was the editor in chief of the Wall Street

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Speaker 5: Journalist that he had to fire, you know, one hundred

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Speaker 5: people every quarter. They're now talking about basically shutting down

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Speaker 5: their sports coverage, drastically reducing their international coverage, and immediately

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Speaker 5: apparently they're going to lay off three hundred reporters and editors.

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Speaker 5: So there's been you know, as much the media loves

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Speaker 5: to talk about nothing more than the media, and so

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Speaker 5: there's been a lot of back and forth about how

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Speaker 5: durable this all is, and it certainly is for the

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Speaker 5: people who are going to lose their jobs. The question

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Speaker 5: is is the Post viable and the Post turn it around,

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Speaker 5: And the answer to that is probably no. And so

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Speaker 5: the question is, well, then why are they doing this,

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Speaker 5: you know, why don't they just shut it down? Why

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Speaker 5: lose any more money? And the reason for that is

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Speaker 5: that the Post is actually a very attractive asset to

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Speaker 5: a range. You know, a wide range of buyers. Bloomberg

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Speaker 5: would be interested, News Corp. Would be interested, Private equity

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Speaker 5: that focuses on media would be interested. I mean, there

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Speaker 5: are six or eight groups that would be interested in

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Speaker 5: acquiring the Posts. So if the Post cleans up his

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Speaker 5: balance sheet in twenty twenty six, then may be able

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Speaker 5: to fetch a much higher price than they would at present. Now.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe in mind reading, but have you seen

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Speaker 1: anything that explains why Jeff Bezos may have grown tired

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Speaker 1: of his experiment. I thought it was a good move

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Speaker 1: for Amazon, putting it to HQ two across the river

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Speaker 1: from the Post, that it would be make sense to

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Speaker 1: move in big time and get the Post. But seventy

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Speaker 1: five million dollars a year in pocket change, even to

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Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos, yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think, I mean, I think the calculation aside from

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Speaker 5: maybe he wanted to be a publisher of a major

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Speaker 5: news outlet, but from an Amazon point of view, owning

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Speaker 5: the Washington Post gives you a certain protection against congressional

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Speaker 5: inquiries and executive antagonism, or at least so he thought.

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Speaker 5: Trump completely upended that model. I mean, I can't imagine

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Speaker 5: Barack Obama or George W. Bush or you know, Bill Clinton,

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Speaker 5: never thinking about going after the Washington Post. But Trump

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Speaker 5: had no problem doing that. And thus what Bezos thought

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Speaker 5: was an asset, something that would help him get through

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Speaker 5: stuff that he thought he would he needed to get

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Speaker 5: through in Washington, or at least prevent him from being

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Speaker 5: you know, attacked by Congress or regulatory agencies or whatever.

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Speaker 5: It turned out not to be an asset. It turned

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Speaker 5: out to be a liability almost one hundred percent because

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Speaker 5: of Trump. And so you know, what do you do? Well,

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Speaker 5: you can turn around the paper, you can try to

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Speaker 5: or you can put the paper in proper order and

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Speaker 5: sell it.

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Speaker 1: And I can see what they're gonna do. You persuaded

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Speaker 1: me that that's what's going on there. John Ellis, Editor

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Speaker 1: and chief founder of News Items. You can read news

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Speaker 1: items every morning. It is the thing to go to

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Speaker 1: every single morning. But you got to go to news Items.

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Speaker 1: Google news Items John Ellis, and you will find yourself there.

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Speaker 1: One of the best, if not the best morning new

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Speaker 1: heads around in America. Thank you, John,