1 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and goodnight. Welcome to 2 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: the Aeron Mullan Show. It is wonderful as always to 3 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: have your company. I hope you've had a lovely Christmas break. 4 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: We've been bringing you episodes with new interviews each day 5 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: over this holiday period, but not as much commentary, trying 6 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: to sort kids on school holidays, and I'm sure you're 7 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: all having the exact same attempts at balance mixing work 8 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: with holiday and all the other things. But I wanted 9 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: to break back into normal programming with you just for 10 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 1: this episode and then we'll be back as per normal 11 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: on Monday week. But this meeting between President Trump and 12 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: Prime Minister Netanyahu huge in ways that a few people 13 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: may miss, but not us here on the Erwin Mullan Show. 14 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: Not a meet Sagal, one of Israel's best journalists, huge, 15 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: huge things coming out of it that lesson, if possible, 16 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: the daylight between Israel and America. As much as all 17 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: the others will try and tell you, Trump hatesnet yaw 18 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: who they're fighting, there's animosity, there's tension, et cetera, et cetera, 19 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: et cetera. The actions, the words don't back any of 20 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,559 Speaker 1: that up. This was a significant moment, a significant meeting, 21 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: and let me bring in a meet Sigal to help 22 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: tell you why. A very big welcome to a meet Sigal, 23 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: who is the author of the newsletter It's Noon in Israel. 24 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: I mean, thank you so very much for joining us 25 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: and for just keeping across absolutely everything. It is a 26 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: phenomenal resource for anyone who's not even invested to the 27 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: level you need to be to host a show, but 28 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: just highly engaged. 29 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 2: It's phenomenal. 30 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. 31 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: Ri. You have just discussed the enormity of what has 32 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: happened between President Trump and Prime Minister net and Yahoo. 33 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: Why is this such a big deal? And no one 34 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: else seems to be talking about significance of it. 35 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 2: So if your audience heard a noise, disturbing noise over 36 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: the last few hours, it's the shuttering of yet another 37 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 2: commentary about tensions between Prisident Trump and Prime Minister Nathaniao. 38 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 2: Generally speaking, I think that legacy media should not be 39 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 2: allowed to cover this relationship between two I would say 40 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 2: staunt Republicans why because they spoke for weeks about the 41 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 2: fact that there is a dispute between the. 42 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 3: United States and Israel. 43 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 2: Regarding Gaza came present Trump and even before he entered 44 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 2: the meeting, he said on the doorstep of Magalago in 45 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 2: Florida that he would never allow Ramas not to dimlitarize 46 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 2: one thing. Second, he said even prior to the meeting 47 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 2: that even if he ran has ballistic missiles, not only 48 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 2: the nuclear project, the US would allow Israel to attack 49 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 2: as soon as possible. And quote, so those two major. 50 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 3: Issues in the Middle East. 51 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 2: Actually described that there is almost no daylight between the 52 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 2: United States. 53 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 3: In the Israel. 54 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 2: And as for the meeting itself, it's the you know, 55 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five is reaching its end in two days 56 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 2: from now. So it's the sixth meeting between the President 57 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 2: and prime and is still unprecedented. 58 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 3: It's huge. 59 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: And you look at the Iranian regime issue initially, and 60 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:29,839 Speaker 1: there are protests going on there at the moment I've 61 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: just seen. President Trump has put out a post saying 62 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: that he is with them, essentially encouraging them to keep going. NTNYA, 63 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: who's made this part of his narrative for the past 64 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: well forever long in regards to saying to the people 65 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: of Iran, we will help you, but I want to 66 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: look at the weaponry specifically. It used to just be 67 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: nuclear that was this kind of level they could not exceed. 68 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: Now he's bringing in missiles. That is huge, not just 69 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: for Israel. And people like to say, oh, America does 70 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: everything for Israel. It's huge the world, but also really 71 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: good for Israel. 72 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 2: Exactly why, because I mean President Trump set a president 73 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 2: saying that the United States is going to attack, It's 74 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: going after any illegal nuclear project on Earth. It wasn't 75 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 2: only attacking or pinpoint the targeting of the site in Fodo. 76 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 2: It was a new doctrine in the world that the 77 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 2: US would never allow the North Korea case to happen again, 78 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 2: to have nuclear weapons in the hands of lunatics. Now 79 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 2: comes the ballistic missile project, which is even more important 80 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: because the ballistic missile program of the Iranian regime is 81 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 2: aimed not only in Israel, but in Europe as well. 82 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 2: If you look at the distance at the range of 83 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 2: the missiles. Now, when President Trump says that even this 84 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 2: so called conventional threat would actually make the US to 85 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 2: support Israel attacking Iran, he means that the US is 86 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: aware that there are some conventional threats that might become 87 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 2: super conventional almost existential threats to Israel, because if you 88 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 2: got five thousand ballistic missiles aimed at a very small 89 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 2: country the size of New Jersey, so you can actually 90 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 2: wipe the country off them up with those ballistic missiles. 91 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 2: So President Trump actually closed the daylight, the tiny daylight 92 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 2: that existed between Asia and the US in this respect. 93 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 2: Very important news. 94 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,799 Speaker 1: And they've been following closely, of course, both regimes Israeli 95 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: and the US regarding the rebuilding that the Iranian regime 96 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 1: has been conducting since the Twelve Day War, not just 97 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: attempting to resuscitate its nuclear program, but of course the 98 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: other side as well, which can be you know, it 99 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: might not be nuclear, but it can be just as 100 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: catastrophic as you just describe perfectly, with the size of 101 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: Israel and that amount of missiles pointed towards it. I 102 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: want to get your take quickly, amit on the protests 103 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: this uprising. Now, we've had people at the last two 104 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: or three months say this is the moment. They'll never 105 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 1: be in a better position the people of Iran to 106 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: overturn this regime. It was weakened significantly through that Twelve 107 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: Day War, but we keep getting our hopes up and 108 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: then we get let down. Is this possibly the moment 109 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: where it stops? I saw an image just earlier of 110 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: a man kneeling down, not quite Tieneman Square, but in 111 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: front of security forces in Iran bravely. I think he 112 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: had his hands like this and his jumper over his head. 113 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: Could this be the moment? 114 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 2: In order for this to be the moment, there is 115 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 2: another ingredient which is still needed, and this is some 116 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 2: of the security forces joining this revolution, making it from 117 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 2: a protest into evolution and then a kudata now Israel 118 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 2: I mean, it was quite a sophisticated move targeted only 119 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: senile figures in the Revolutionary Guards, the fundamentalistmovement body that 120 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 2: actually holds the regime altogether. Now, if the army joins 121 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: this movement, this is this would be a penny dropping moment, 122 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: the moment that would change everything. 123 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 3: It's too early to say. 124 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 2: By the way, I'm quite skeptical about Israel and the US. 125 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 3: Trying to change regimes. 126 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 2: Both the US and Israel have a very bad experience 127 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: in trying to topple one regim and to replace it by. 128 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: More conscious of never specifically calling for change, are they 129 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: theyre always no, no, no, we're not calling for change, 130 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: but da da da yeah, But I. 131 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 2: Mean Israel and the US of course should should facilitate 132 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 2: the process, but we cannot replace the protesters. 133 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 3: Now, I think those are the bravest. 134 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 2: People on earth as we speak, because they go to 135 00:07:55,440 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 2: protest against the regime that hang hanged fifteen one hundred 136 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: Iranians since the end of the war against Israel. 137 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 3: Now, if I know, you are. 138 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: Fully staggering, by the way, staggering. 139 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 3: Where where is the international media? 140 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 2: Five executions a day? 141 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 3: Now we know that Mosad. 142 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 2: You know, there is a joke that the biggest employer 143 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 2: in Tehran is the Mossad. But this is just a 144 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 2: joke because at the end of the day, Mussad doesn't 145 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 2: have such a number, not even ten percent of it. 146 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 2: So they just executed innocent people in order to deter 147 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 2: the population from protesting. So the fact that they went, 148 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 2: that they are storming the streets as we speak, is 149 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: fascinating and it gives hope, let's hope all of us, 150 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 2: that this monstrous regime is going to collapse as soon 151 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: as possible. 152 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: No better way to end it, imit. Thank you so much. 153 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: That newsletter. It is noon in Israel. I've followed it 154 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: forever now, so I don't even say the title. Also, 155 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,839 Speaker 1: you write incredible books. Look him up. He's amazing. I'm 156 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: sure most of you know him anyway, but thank you 157 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: so much for your time and your expertise. As always, 158 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: take care bybe now. I wanted to bring you a 159 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: fan favorite. He is one of the biggest people we 160 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: get on this show. You guys absolutely love him. You 161 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: cannot get enough. His name is Mossab Yosef, son of Hamas. 162 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: He knows the terrorist organization inside and out. When he speaks, 163 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: you listen, and that is for good reason, Masaba. I 164 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: wanted to start by thanking you so so sincerely and 165 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: genuinely for not just coming on this show, but for 166 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: every single thing you do in this space. 167 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you for having me. I appreciate it. 168 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: How does one go from the son of the founder 169 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: of Hamas to someone who is now nominated for the 170 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: Nobel Peace Prize? How does that happen? 171 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 3: It has been a long journey. It's not an easy one, 172 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 3: and the big of it was not being brought up 173 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 3: in Hamas household, and the end of it is not 174 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 3: by any award I'm not looking for anything. Most importantly 175 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 3: for me to stay truth for two am I have 176 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 3: been fighting the good fight within the best of my ability. 177 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 3: My rejection of violence, especially terror targeting and civilians indiscriminately, 178 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 3: which is something I could not accept. Something wrong was 179 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 3: with that approach, with that philosophy. When I opposed it, 180 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 3: the distance start happening between me and that culture. And 181 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 3: of course, unfortunately, I like other cultures, there's no freedom 182 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 3: of speech. My opposition to violence meant treason in that culture. 183 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 3: I like, let's say, democratic models, where when you oppose violence, 184 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 3: people will say thank you, thank you for your more 185 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 3: standing that culture people say it a traitor. So at 186 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 3: the moment use you by this and put a death 187 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 3: sentence on you. Then this is a broken bone that 188 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 3: you cannot repay. And the distance keept widening, and here 189 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 3: we are. It's a huge distance between me and my 190 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 3: birthplace and my early life conditioning. And to me, it's very, 191 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 3: very strange that I'm coming back to even talk about it. 192 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 3: I thought I would never talk about it again. I 193 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 3: had moved on a long time ago. I started a 194 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 3: new life somewhere far away from the Middle East. But 195 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 3: October seven events brought me back, and I have more 196 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 3: responsibility at least to say towards this chaos. 197 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: How old were you when you first started to question 198 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: what was considered normal around you. Do you remember a 199 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: moment of witnessing something and just feeling sick or thinking 200 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: this is not who I am or who we should be. 201 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 3: Look, I don't exaggerate when I say as a child, 202 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 3: I was beaten a pretty much everywhere in the school, 203 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 3: in the mosque, at home, in the streets. I witnessed 204 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 3: so much violence, especially against women, especially against them. Many 205 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 3: innocent women were killed under the law of honor. It's 206 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 3: a culture. The culture of the Middle East is based 207 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 3: on honor and shape. It's not based on right or 208 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 3: wrong or vice and virtue. So people could be doing 209 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 3: something completely wrong, like, you know, killing a woman for 210 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 3: having a relationship with a man outside of with luck, 211 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 3: let's say, which is something I don't encourage to do. 212 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 3: But still, if the woman gets the reputation among the 213 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 3: society that she's being playful outside of with luck, her 214 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 3: parents would decide to kill her. Her brother would kill her, 215 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 3: her cousins would kill her, and in many cases women, 216 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 3: some women actually had just a bad reputation. But even 217 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 3: though in reality they did not commit anything against the culture, 218 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 3: but the bad reputation was enough to make a father 219 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 3: kill his daughter in an attempt to bury the shame 220 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 3: with her. And I saw that firsthand with my own eyes, 221 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 3: a father killing his daughter at a very very young age, 222 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 3: growing up and seeing the violence like in the math 223 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 3: class or in the English class, when the principle, you know, 224 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 3: brutally beat me and encouraged other students to beat me 225 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 3: in the class as also he encouraged me to beat 226 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 3: other students when they were when they did not solve 227 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 3: the problem. How can you learn anything in such environment? 228 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 3: And when the parents are ashamed, then they are going 229 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 3: to try to convince you, and if you are you're 230 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 3: not behaving yourself, then are going to beat you up 231 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 3: taking culture. I don't think today the situation is still 232 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 3: the same, but most kids in my under similar circumstances 233 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 3: were totally destroyed, and I don't know, just a miracle 234 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 3: how I survived such violence. And this is why today 235 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 3: when I oppose terrorist violence, I know it comes from 236 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 3: the culture. It's not about land, it's not about resistance, 237 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 3: it's not about occupation. It's just a very violent culture. 238 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 3: And of course one of the things that I hated 239 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 3: was to export or blame Israel on our social problems, 240 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 3: saying it's like by the name of occupation. I did 241 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 3: not buy it. I did not buy it. This experience, 242 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 3: of course, was became at its climax. If I can say, 243 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 3: when I was in prison, my first imprisonment has spent 244 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 3: about sixteen months among Hamas leaders and among Hamas members. 245 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 3: Hamas was desperately seeking or trying to find who gave 246 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 3: information to Israel, basically looking for suspect collaborators. During that time, 247 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 3: Hamas killed and tortured hundreds of prisons. And let me 248 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 3: name some of these people who were in prison at 249 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 3: that time responsible for the torture. Che Salhalarori, one of 250 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 3: the architects of October seven attacks, yah yasinoir M Schmail 251 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 3: Haniya was the head of the Hamas security wing. Ibrahim Hammitt, 252 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 3: mass murderer who Hamas want to release in exchange for 253 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 3: the innocent hostages in Raza, Abd al al Barbuthi, Hamas 254 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 3: bomb maker. They want him release in exchange for the hostages. 255 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 3: So what a coincidence that had to live with these 256 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 3: people firsthand and see their brutality and in many of 257 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 3: the cases the prisoners who were tortured in prison, and 258 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 3: I'm talking about Palestinian prisons Hamas members. As you may 259 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 3: be see some of the videos circulating on the social 260 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 3: media where Hamas brutally beating people gusins. This is not 261 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 3: a surprise to me, and the world is in denial 262 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 3: even though I brought to them a first hand experience. 263 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 3: Then then this people cannot be trusted with anything. They 264 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 3: don't have accountability to any human value. Their interest in 265 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 3: the afterlife, their interest is not in this life. They 266 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 3: don't have the capacity or the will or the desire 267 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 3: to build. They only know how to destroy. So but 268 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 3: for some reason, people don't want to listen because it 269 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 3: looks like I invite them to get out of their 270 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 3: comfort zone and think that this is not just a 271 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 3: two dimensional reality. It's a paradox and if they haven't 272 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 3: lived there, they only capable to see just one side 273 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 3: of that paradox. So anyway, the experience in prison that was, 274 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 3: if I can say, if it's accurate to say a 275 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 3: turning point. But the truth is it's a chain of events. 276 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 3: It's a chain of events all of them are depending 277 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 3: on each other. And this is how I arrived at 278 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 3: this place and at this space. I can go on 279 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 3: and on forever trying to describe this problem. And I 280 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 3: from the beginning of this war, I said, don't blame Israel. 281 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 3: Israel is not the problem in this case. It's people 282 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 3: seek in death and committing basically suicide. So all the 283 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 3: attempts try to blame Israel and say because of the 284 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 3: occupation we have this problem is untrue. We can look 285 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 3: at Syria, look what happened to the Jewis just recently. 286 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 3: Look at Lebanon, what the Palestinians did in Lebanon, Look 287 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 3: at Jordan, what they did in Jordan. It's a phenomena. 288 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 3: It's a seventh century mentality. Tribalism does not believe in democracy, 289 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 3: and all the Western countries trying to push democratic values 290 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 3: on such society will not work because they don't. I 291 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 3: praise it basically. So I don't know where it is 292 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 3: the beginning and how the end is going to be. 293 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 3: It is what it is, and I hope more people 294 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 3: will listen. 295 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: Did you tell your family your father, how did that 296 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: conversation go or did you just have to flee basically, look. 297 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 3: I left the region back in two thousand and seven, 298 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 3: and I was safe. I had the opportunity to start 299 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 3: a new life. I did not need to write a 300 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 3: book about my events in the Middle East and my 301 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 3: adventure and my journey, but I felt the responsibility. This 302 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 3: is why I wrote the book, and I dedicated actually 303 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 3: to my family and to my father. I wanted my 304 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 3: father to see it through my lens. He was not 305 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 3: aware of my actions, especially counter terrorism, which was a 306 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 3: very difficult choice for me to do. I saved his life. 307 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 3: I saved so many other lives, including terrorists by the 308 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 3: way that I opposed their arrest and in many cases 309 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 3: I had to go to prison because I refused their assassination. 310 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 3: During the Second Indie Father Israel suffered more than one 311 00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 3: hundreds was I bombing attacks, and I did everything within 312 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 3: my ability to stop suicide bombers before they reached their target, 313 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 3: killing civilians indiscriminately, which by the way, were not only Jews, Arabs, Muslims, foreigners, 314 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 3: all type of people were killed hamas bomb universities. Take 315 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 3: the Hebrew University, for example, six American students were killed, 316 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 3: or I think five American students and other Nationals and 317 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 3: Jews and students in the cafeteria. Ibrahim Hammad and Mohammed 318 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 3: Ermann put the bomb in the Hebrew University cafeteria. They 319 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 3: targeted everywhere, and for me, it was not only wrong, 320 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 3: it was evil what they were doing. And my father, 321 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 3: of course was giving them the political cover. He was 322 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 3: not directly involved in a suicide bombing attacks, and he 323 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 3: did not know the nature of the military wing and 324 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 3: how they operate. But I had lots of access to 325 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 3: the masterminds of Hama's military w I knew a lot 326 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 3: about them, and humbly I'm saying I knew about them 327 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 3: a lot more than my father did. So when I 328 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 3: wrote the book, I wanted him to just understand the 329 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 3: dynamic of such a new generation of Hamas that he 330 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 3: was not actually in charge of. That he could not 331 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 3: control a new generation like the Sineuar generation, like Ania generation, 332 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 3: like now what we see the Hamas, what's so called 333 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 3: Noba and what they did on October seventh. My father, 334 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 3: as one of the founders of Hamas and the early 335 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 3: leaders of the movement, who dedicated his entire life to 336 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 3: the movement, he does not have control over this new generation. 337 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 3: You know, the same way. Yes, Arrapha did not have 338 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 3: control over Hamas when he returned to the territories, so 339 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 3: and it was very important for me to just show 340 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 3: him that what he started back in nineteen eighty seven 341 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 3: as a small flame or a small fire, it became 342 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 3: just a wildfire that nobody can put down. And this 343 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 3: is why did the book to him. And I revered 344 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 3: myself knowing that I'm going to be accused of treason 345 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 3: and a death sentence is going to be put over 346 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 3: my head. I knew that it's not like very different 347 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 3: when someone is hiding in the shadows betraying let's say 348 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 3: a country selling intellectual property or secrets of a nation 349 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 3: to some foreign entity for selfish interest. In my case, 350 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 3: I traded all my security and status, my comfort for 351 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 3: the sake of saving human lives. It cannot be compared 352 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,719 Speaker 3: if I wanted money or fame or power. This was 353 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 3: all within Hamas. At some point I was in charge 354 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:50,360 Speaker 3: of Hamas money. So anyway, that was my moral responsibility, 355 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 3: and I decided not to keep it in the hiding. 356 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 3: It was part of my integrity and my responsibility, especially 357 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 3: after I left the region safely to write it down firsthand. 358 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 3: With integrity, honesty, what's for me and what's against me, 359 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 3: and offered to my father and my people in order 360 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 3: to see through my lens. And unfortunately, it looks like 361 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 3: it did not make any change in the way that 362 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 3: they see reality. Instead, they shunned me, They accused me 363 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 3: of treason, and they sentenced me to death. 364 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: You don't have to answer this. It's very personal. Do 365 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: you love your father? 366 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 3: Of course, like, how can I hate my father? You know, 367 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 3: it's all a love relationship between me and my family. 368 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 3: I felt the void when my father was gone for 369 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 3: so many years. You know, I raised my siblings, I 370 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 3: took care of my mother. I was juggling with so 371 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 3: many things in my hand, trying to the void when 372 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 3: he was busy doing Hamas's business. And I myself suffered 373 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 3: as a child because of his Islamic project and Hamas's project. 374 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 3: I myself was in press close to two years because 375 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 3: of this thing. And here we are. It's not a 376 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 3: hate relationship and the irony that we respect each other 377 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 3: very very much. And this is why you know, when 378 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 3: I speak and you see the theory and when you 379 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 3: see the fire when I speak and people think that 380 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 3: this is emotional ran they don't understand is a very 381 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 3: very powerful public speaker, and I speak his language. I 382 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 3: am the counter force to it. And it is out 383 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 3: of love. And by the way, these artificial people who 384 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 3: don't understand the depth of this relationship, there is no 385 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 3: greater war in the universe than father and a son, 386 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 3: especially when there is justified crucifixion in the middle of it. 387 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 3: And if the world think that this is just a 388 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 3: matter of family business, they are totally mistaken. So sooner 389 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 3: or later they will understand. My father maybe was capable 390 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 3: of creating Hamas and now it's spreading like wild fire 391 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 3: around the globe as a resistance movement, as freedom fighting. 392 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 3: But what he does not understand that I would create 393 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 3: a counter force that's much greater. If he's the river, 394 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 3: I am the sea. You know, if he's the way 395 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 3: of a matsunami, there is no way around it. They 396 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 3: must stop. They cannot conquer humanity, they cannot enslave humanity 397 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 3: by the name of Palestine, by the name of Jihad, 398 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 3: by the name of whatever it is. It's very simple. 399 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 3: This is not the way of life. Life depends on diversity. 400 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 3: All people are children of the divine, does not make 401 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 3: the Muslims or the Muslim Brotherhood or Jihad is superior 402 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 3: in any way. They are not. So this delusion must 403 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 3: come to an end. And this is my job. My 404 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 3: job is not Palestine or Israel. I'm not advocating on 405 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 3: behalf of anybody. This has to come to a state 406 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 3: of equilibrium, and it's between me and my father, and 407 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 3: it's not based on hatred. He must come to an 408 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 3: un understanding. The targeting civilians is not acceptable. And I 409 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 3: don't give a fuck about Palestine, and I don't give 410 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 3: a fuck about Hamas. So he can insist on his 411 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 3: position and I will keep fighting. And my fight is 412 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 3: not again, is not driven by hatred. It's the easy 413 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 3: thing to be driven by hatred. It's driven by much 414 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 3: greater love. And I hope that at some point we 415 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 3: can settle it down, because otherwise it's going to be 416 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 3: the destruction of everything. 417 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: I'm not normally speechless after someone speaks. I've interviewed some 418 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: incredible people, but I'm almost speechless now. You are unbelievably brave, 419 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: and incredibly smart and wholly decent. We're so lucky to 420 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 1: have you. You mentioned a sand castle to me when 421 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: we were talking before we started recording, and I think 422 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: we've reached a point now where we're starting to see 423 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: people maybe wake up. But every time I feel like 424 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 1: we're there, I then get disappointed and let down. Do 425 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: you feel like, is the world starting to wake up 426 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: to not just what's happening in Gaza and the evil 427 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: of Hamas, but the ideology that's trying to infect Western 428 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: minds everywhere. 429 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 3: The world is actually, unfortunately is buying this delusion and 430 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 3: this victim narrative. And we are going now in the 431 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 3: opposite direction. From the beginning of the war, I said, 432 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 3: keep it in Razza. It has the potential to become 433 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 3: original war. The United Nations, the Unitstiate's president. Nobody listened, 434 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 3: even though I was shouting out loud, understanding the seriousness 435 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 3: of this situation. I said, open the borders and get 436 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 3: the civilians out of the of Razza to SINAI take 437 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 3: the card from Hamas because I knew that it's going 438 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 3: to be massacred, and nobody listened. And the irony that 439 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 3: today they come and they accuse me of conspiring against Raza. 440 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 3: While from the early beginning, when they were busy triumphing 441 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 3: on the wounds and the bleeding of the nation of Israel. 442 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 3: I was very busy to say, get the civilians out, 443 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 3: the most vulnerable people, women and children. Nobody listened. And 444 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 3: today this tragedy has been fueling global chaos and israelis 445 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 3: taking the blame. The majority are unconscious. They don't understand 446 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 3: the danger of this. And I said from the beginning, 447 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 3: Israel is a blueprint, it's a pillar. It's a significant 448 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 3: pillar in the structure of our civilization. Take it away 449 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 3: and the entire building might collapse. I don't want to say, 450 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 3: certainly will collapse. And instead of understanding the dynamic of 451 00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 3: this demonic game, everybody seems to be agreeing with the 452 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 3: narrative that Israel is the root cause of evil, not 453 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 3: only in the Middle East, in the world. So how 454 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 3: can we be hitting in the right direction? No, we 455 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 3: are not hitting in the right direction. You know. We 456 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 3: are taking the most productive, most educated, most intelligent minority 457 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 3: with a great contribution I don't want to say, the 458 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 3: greatest contribution to life in pretty much every field, and 459 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 3: we are intimidating them. Do you think they will continue 460 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 3: to be productive and part of our societies if we 461 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 3: just keep intimidating them like this? Isolating them. We want 462 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 3: to sanction them, and we fill in the travel jihadists 463 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 3: and Palestinian fanatics who have been demonizing and dehumanizing the 464 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 3: Jewish people. This is going to have a very serious 465 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:57,239 Speaker 3: impact on civilization sooner or later. Today I'm here in 466 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 3: Israel and I see lots of immigration, many of these 467 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 3: Hu people around the world, bringing their money, bringing their 468 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 3: brains back home to where they belong. And who's going 469 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 3: to pay the price? And what are we trading this 470 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 3: successful minority with illegal migrants who are intimidating us in 471 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 3: the streets in their demonstrations. Jihadists, Muslim fanatics, leftists are 472 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 3: with very small contribution to life. So the West is 473 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 3: doing a very dangerous mistake and they will not understand 474 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 3: the consequences until it's too late. Israel, by the way, 475 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 3: is the fortress. Is the fortress? Nobody nothing campannetrated October 476 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 3: seven was an exception and it's not gonna happen again 477 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 3: ever again. This is it, and all the attempts to 478 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 3: push Palestinian state to sit on the top of parts 479 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 3: of the state of Israel are not going to bear fruit. 480 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 3: No one has that kind of authority, even if Israeli sanctioned. 481 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 3: Even if the United States abandons Israel at some point, 482 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 3: this is not going to happen. Is an independent state 483 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 3: with limitless resources, independent on its own and if necessary, 484 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 3: it can fight at ten fronts simultaneously. No other country 485 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 3: can do this. It's not about how many guns you have, 486 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 3: It's about how much intelligence they have. And this is 487 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 3: the difference, and countries understand this. But compromise politicians unfortunately 488 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 3: trying to please the newcomers, the Muslim migrants, will now 489 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 3: become a voting base. This is what they are trading. 490 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 3: They are trading Jewish intelligence for a bunch of votes 491 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 3: so they can stay in their small, short term political trip. 492 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 3: So this is the reality we are dealing with, and 493 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 3: we are not hitting in the right direction. And it 494 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 3: is the may time before the world understand this reality. 495 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: Look, I agree entirely. The only thing that gives me 496 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: some hope is the likes of a million people expected 497 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: to march in the UK with the Tommy Robinson movement. 498 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: Do you see that and think of people starting to 499 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: get sick of what's going on, particularly in the UK 500 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: where judges are ruling that yes, parents have every right 501 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: to be worried about their kids' safety. But we're not 502 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: going to protect their kids because it might you know, 503 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: ruin the status quo and people. Do you think people 504 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: are starting to say, no, we've had enough or not yet. 505 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 3: No, this is not good at all. It's very dangerous. 506 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 3: What's happening. This is the recipe for a civil war. Yeah, 507 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 3: and the government should take responsibility. This is what happens 508 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 3: when the government betrays indigenous of the land and give 509 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 3: priority to illegal migrants who have failed to integrate into 510 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 3: the society, to appreciate and respect the diversity and the values, 511 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 3: the ethics of the Western civil A generation after generation, 512 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 3: how many generations of those Muslims come into the West 513 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 3: who just instead of integrating and transforming, they went back 514 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 3: to the old habits. And they instead of bringing the 515 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 3: West to the East, they want to bring Mecca to 516 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 3: the West, the Meccan values, seventh century mentality wherein Mecca 517 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 3: non Muslims are not even allowed. Why because they are 518 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 3: considered wealth. And this is Saudi Arabia that has bought 519 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 3: huge parts of London, of the British bonds, of the 520 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 3: French bond, and of course politicians have been compromised so 521 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 3: now instead of serving their own people, they are serving 522 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 3: the anterest of foreign entities. This is the financial gihead 523 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 3: that we are dealing with. This not only jehead, is 524 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 3: not only physical by the means of the soul, there 525 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 3: is financial gehead. Actually, the Muslims who choose not to 526 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 3: fight physic by the means of the gun, they are 527 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 3: encouraged in the Qur'an to fight with their money. And 528 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 3: today when we look how much assets they have been buying, 529 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 3: you understand that this is a financial economical diplomatic She 530 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 3: had taken advantage and exploiting the democratic values and people 531 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 3: are not understanding the culture and the danger of such things. So, 532 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 3: now what happens in this situation If the government continues 533 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 3: to betray the indigenous of the land and the people 534 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 3: will continue to feel unsafe. Of course they are going 535 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 3: to fight and take the fight on their own. But 536 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 3: in this case Europe would be heading towards a civil war, 537 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 3: because I know for sure the Muslims won't be able 538 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 3: to conquer Europe. They cannot, not through democracy, not through violence. 539 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 3: People are not stupid, and they see the city and 540 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 3: they see the propaganda and all the attempts to launcher 541 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 3: the Islamic attempt to take over. So if they continue 542 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 3: failing their people, it's going to turn violent and this 543 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 3: could lead to the collapse of governments, could lead to 544 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 3: the collapse society. Previously, I said that Western leaders who 545 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 3: don't understand this situation will fall, and people take it 546 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 3: out of the context as I was a Mossad threatening 547 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 3: Western politicians. This is the game of manipulation and simply 548 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 3: what I'm saying, if Western leaders don't serve their people, 549 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 3: their countries, their constitution, and keep their state of denial, 550 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 3: the situation is going to explode sooner or later. And 551 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 3: I don't think that this right now. What I see 552 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 3: the counter force that is happening. Look, that's a good sign. 553 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 3: But hopefully we don't have to go into a phase 554 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 3: where there is a white blood. 555 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I really well said absolutely. I want to 556 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 1: ask you, I know we're running out of time. Hamas, 557 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:19,760 Speaker 1: what is their weakness? How do you defeat them? 558 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 3: Look, Hamas is embedded, and it's not only Hamas, it's Palestinianism. 559 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 3: This is the dangerous inductrination of the victim narrative. Palestinianism. 560 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 3: As long as there's Palestine and we can't remove Hamas, 561 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 3: but tomorrow they would be Islamic jihead. We remove Islamic Jihead, 562 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 3: then we will have the Communists. Then when we're done 563 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 3: with the communists, they're going to be the socialists. Or 564 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 3: now we have a new generation of Palestinians. Anybody can 565 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 3: just put a scarf or a kiffia and say I'm 566 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 3: a Palestinian. I'm a believer in the cause of Palestine. 567 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 3: It's not a blood line, unlike the Jews. Yeah, the 568 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 3: person has to come out of a Jewish womb to 569 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 3: be a Jew. A Palestinian can come from any rabbit 570 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 3: hole and say I am a Palestinian. So how can 571 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 3: we satisfy their differences that can never be reconciled. They 572 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 3: are opposing forces, they're conflicted. It's not only the problem 573 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 3: with Hamas, it's with the other colors of Palistine. It 574 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 3: has millions of faces that you think that you are 575 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,919 Speaker 3: rationalizing with one side, but it has so many other 576 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 3: aspects to it. They don't have a legitimate leadership, they 577 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 3: don't have a goal. It's a revolution. It's an anarchy, 578 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 3: a revolution unlike any other revolutions, with no moral compass, 579 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 3: with no resolution, with no destination. You don't know. Yesterday 580 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 3: they may ask for part of the land, but tomorrow 581 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,840 Speaker 3: they are going to ask for the entire land. And 582 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 3: if they succeed in destroying Israel, then it's not going 583 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 3: to be enough because we know what they're going to 584 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 3: do in Jordan. We based on experience, in fact, on history. 585 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 3: We know what Palestinians did in Lebanon. They destroyed Lebanon 586 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 3: fifteen years of civil war and Lebanon has not recovered yet. 587 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 3: Palestinianism is a very dangerous indoctrination victim narrative is a 588 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 3: very dangerous narrative, and it's spreading like wildfire. So now 589 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 3: the problem is not Hamas. After October seventh, and all 590 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:33,800 Speaker 3: those who decided to sympathy to leisure Tomize justify the 591 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 3: terrorist Act on October seven are Palestinians. It's not ethnicity, 592 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 3: it's not a human race. It's a political movement. It's 593 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 3: the new Nazis, if you wish. And now our fight 594 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 3: is not only with Hamas anymore. On October seven, it 595 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,800 Speaker 3: was a fight against Hamas, and Israel was very clear 596 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 3: it declared only war against Hamass, not against Palestinians. But 597 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 3: on October eighth Palestinians, whether they are in the West Bank, 598 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 3: in Gaza worldwide and their supporters triumphed and celebrated Hamas attacks. 599 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 3: Later on they justified Hamas attacks and when Hamas weaponized civilians, 600 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 3: they start screaming genocide, jenocide, spreading Hamas propaganda and Hamas 601 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:30,839 Speaker 3: lies with no facts, even though Israel has been doing 602 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 3: everything within their ability to minimize the civilian casualties in Gaza. 603 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 3: So now with that said, the Palestinians worldwide declared war 604 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,720 Speaker 3: not only against Israel, but against the Jewish nation, against 605 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 3: the Western civilization. They are the inner enemy that cannot 606 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 3: that should not be underestimated. This is the reality we 607 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:59,320 Speaker 3: are dealing with. So Hama's defeat is not enough, not anymore. 608 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 3: And as long as we have a Palestinian false identity, yeah, 609 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 3: and we are going to have problem with terrorism, they 610 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 3: will breed more violence, more barbarism. So with that said, 611 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 3: we have no choice, and I include myself and I 612 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 3: take more responsibility for it. And I don't give a 613 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 3: fuck about the Nobel Peace Prize. I don't want rewards 614 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 3: for this. This is a war and we cannot achieve 615 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 3: peace except through the means of the sword. Now we 616 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,840 Speaker 3: must counter them. So what we need, we need to 617 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 3: finish the job. And anyone who take the side of 618 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 3: terrorists would be considered a terrorist in this war. People 619 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:49,759 Speaker 3: need to understand you cannot be on this side. On 620 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 3: the other side, you must choose. You take the side 621 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 3: of good, take the side of democracy, of value of virtue, 622 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 3: or you take the side to barbarism, terrorism, raping, killing, looting, kidnapping. 623 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 3: It's two different sides. It does not take lots of 624 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 3: intelligence to define the line to see that this is 625 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 3: the fine line that defines truth from falsehood, regardless of 626 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,400 Speaker 3: all the state of confusion and propaganda. So this is 627 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,520 Speaker 3: the reality we are dealing with, and we will fight them. 628 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 3: We will hunt them down. It doesn't matter where they 629 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 3: are in Tehran, in Lebanon and Yemen, even in the West, 630 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,320 Speaker 3: if they decide to harm innocent people and innocent civilians, 631 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,720 Speaker 3: this is a very clear message and it cannot be misunderstood. 632 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 3: Take the side of Hamas, take the side of Palestinian terrorism, 633 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 3: and you are an enemy and we are coming after you. 634 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:53,720 Speaker 1: You are can I it's I'm getting emotional just because 635 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 1: this is such a hard space as a mom with 636 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 1: little girl I get death threats from Iran daily from 637 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 1: so he he say that because I don't question that. 638 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,160 Speaker 1: I get to bed every night knowing I'm on the 639 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,880 Speaker 1: right side of history. I have zero doubt. There is 640 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:10,040 Speaker 1: no complexity. It is good versus evil, no doubt. But 641 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 1: to hear you say that just gives me that reassurance 642 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: that sometimes I need as well. 643 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,320 Speaker 3: So thank you, Thank you very strong. This is always 644 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 3: twice is not as far from over. But we're going 645 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 3: to kick their ass, like literally literally, we are already 646 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 3: kicking in their ass. And this whole global chaos pro Palestine, 647 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 3: that's just a temporary thing. And then and it's insane. 648 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,200 Speaker 1: You know, I'm a mother. I care so much about 649 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,360 Speaker 1: I see like a child with you know, a sore finger, 650 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 1: and I want to cry the thought of a child 651 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,839 Speaker 1: in pain. I care about every fucking kid in gas 652 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 1: Or I just know who their enemy is and it's 653 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 1: not fucking Israel. It's a lot sometimes, and you are amazing. 654 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 1: Thank you for everything. 655 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,560 Speaker 3: You're a mist welcome and thank you for everything you're doing. 656 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 3: Thank you for your courage, your bravery, and sooner or 657 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,320 Speaker 3: later you are the one who should win the Nobel 658 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,839 Speaker 3: Piece Price for me like right now as as as 659 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:02,360 Speaker 3: a as you see, my statements are not going to 660 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 3: qualify me. 661 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 1: Wow wow, wow, wow. He's incredible. There's not enough words 662 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 1: to describe not only what he's doing, but the weight 663 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,920 Speaker 1: behind it given who he is. It feels impossible sometimes 664 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,439 Speaker 1: this fight, but when you've got people like him who 665 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,919 Speaker 1: are willing to give everything up to join the right 666 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 1: side of it, it just it's hard to describe that. 667 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,960 Speaker 1: He is just amazing. Thank you so much for joining 668 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,840 Speaker 1: me here on the Aaron Mullan Show as always, so 669 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,759 Speaker 1: great to have your company. Will see you tomorrow and 670 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 1: then back on Monday. Ready to go, cannot wait. Love 671 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:51,880 Speaker 1: you all by