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Speaker 1: Life Audio. What if Christian hope isn't just rooted in

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Speaker 1: in restoration later. Let's talk about it in this week's episode. Hello, Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 1: ladies and gents, and welcome to the Bottom Beloved Podcast.

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Speaker 1: As always, it's your girl, Kirby Kelly, and today is

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Speaker 1: a special day. Not only are we concluding the four

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Speaker 1: part Hope series here on the podcast, we've been doing

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Speaker 1: a really cool series. So you can go back and

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Speaker 1: listen to parts one, two, and three where we are

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Speaker 1: going through an acronym of hope where we talk about hurt,

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Speaker 1: outlook purpose. Today we're talking about eternity. But what makes

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Speaker 1: today so special is that today is launch day for

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Speaker 1: my book, The Fabric of Hope. I'm so excited. I've

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Speaker 1: been chatting about it on here. So if you've listened

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Speaker 1: to this series, then I've like you're probably like, okay, girl,

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Speaker 1: we know we've already pre ordered the book, but if

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Speaker 1: you didn't, that's okay. You can order the book and

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Speaker 1: it might even be at a retailer near you, like

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Speaker 1: a Barnes and Noble or a Target. You can look

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Speaker 1: it up and if it is please snap a picture,

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Speaker 1: please post it, Please tag me. I would love to

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Speaker 1: see if the Fabric of Hope is in stores by you,

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Speaker 1: because that is so cool. Like I know that it's

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Speaker 1: in stores by me, and I'm like, this is insane.

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Speaker 1: I feel like such an adult, I feel like such

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Speaker 1: an author. I am. But I don't know this book,

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Speaker 1: this second book. There's just something really special about it.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's because it is something that I'm

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Speaker 1: still continuously living in, especially with my daughter coming in

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Speaker 1: what three weeks? Oh, pray for me, or maybe she's

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Speaker 1: here by now, I don't know. I hope not. I

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Speaker 1: hope that she's been cooking a little longer and that

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Speaker 1: A like her mama and arrive on time? We will see.

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Speaker 1: But my hope is in the Lord, not the labor pains.

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Speaker 1: Right that we don't know the day or hour. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I feel like I understand that scripture way more now

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Speaker 1: But anyways, you can pre order the book. This is

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Speaker 1: a special day. It is out, and we are going

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Speaker 1: to be talking about the final topic, which is eternity

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Speaker 1: because at some point in suffering, we all ask, you know,

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Speaker 1: comes to living lives that maybe have been marked by suffering.

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Speaker 1: I feel like my life has been marked by suffering.

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Speaker 1: There has been so much good in my life, and

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Speaker 1: maybe you have one of those lifelong diagnosises where it's like,

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Speaker 1: Our hope is in Jesus, and more importantly, we as

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Speaker 1: sets us apart from this world, not just in terms

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Speaker 1: Pain has a way of shrinking our vision. Let's start there.

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Speaker 1: Pain has a way of shrinking our vision. When you're hurting,

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Speaker 1: And I love how Paul words this in Romans eight eighteen.

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