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Speaker 1: Welcome to Christian Parent Crazy World, the podcast that tackles

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Speaker 1: tough topics to help you be a godly parent in

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Speaker 1: an ungodly world. I am your host, Katherine Segers, and

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Speaker 1: in today's episode, we are going to tackle a very

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Speaker 1: honest and vulnerable question.

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Speaker 2: How can we teach our.

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Speaker 1: Kids to study the Bible when we don't feel confident

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Speaker 1: studying it ourselves? Yeah, you know, as parents, We want

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Speaker 1: our kids to know God's Word. We want them to

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Speaker 1: be able to turn to Scripture when they're struggling and

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Speaker 1: making decisions. But what if we really don't know how

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Speaker 1: to study the Bible ourselves? Maybe you spent years listening

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Speaker 1: to sermons, going to Bible studies, and reading your Bible,

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Speaker 1: but no one ever really taught you how to study

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Speaker 1: Scripture for yourself. And now you want your kids to

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Speaker 1: actually know how to open the Bible and discover truth

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Speaker 1: for themselves. But where do you even begin? Do you

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Speaker 1: have to be a Bible expert first? Well, today my

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Speaker 1: guest is going to give us a simple, practical way

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Speaker 1: to slow down, dig into Scripture, and learn how to

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Speaker 1: study God's Word. And then we can help our kids

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Speaker 1: do the same. That's the plan for this episode of

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Speaker 1: Christian Parent Crazy World. So, moms and dads, why is

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Speaker 1: it that so many of us have been in church

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Speaker 1: for much, if not all of our lives, and yet

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Speaker 1: we rarely hear someone actually teach us how to study

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Speaker 1: the Bible? Like, why is that? You know, we're told

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Speaker 1: this book is the foundation of our faith, and we're

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Speaker 1: encouraged to read it and to memorize it and to

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Speaker 1: meditate on it, to build our lives around it. But somehow,

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Speaker 1: we can spend years in Christian circles reading without ever

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Speaker 1: really learning the basic skills for digging into scripture and

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Speaker 1: understanding what we're reading. You know, it's kind of like

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Speaker 1: being handed a map and being told this will guide

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think that this may be one of the most

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Speaker 1: important skills we are failing to teach our kids. Maybe

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Speaker 1: we never learned it ourselves to not only know what

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Speaker 1: the Bible says, but how to open it, to explore it,

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Speaker 1: his word. That is where today's guest comes in. Angie

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Speaker 1: Bauman is a Bible teacher, and she is the founder

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Speaker 1: of SteadyOn Ministries. She created this method that I think

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Speaker 1: personally is brilliant. It's called the Step-by-Step Bible Study Method.

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Speaker 1: It's a very simple approach to help us understand the

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Speaker 1: Word of God. And Angie is passionate about helping parents

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Speaker 1: give their kids practical tools to explore God's Word for themselves.

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Speaker 1: So how do we actually study the Bible and then

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Speaker 1: teach our kids to do the same? Yeah, that's what

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about today. So with that said,

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Speaker 1: I will take you to my conversation. with Angie Bauman. Angie,

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Speaker 1: welcome to Christian Parent Crazy World. I am so excited

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Speaker 1: to have this conversation with you today.

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Speaker 2: Katherine, I can't wait to dig in. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: having me.

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Speaker 1: This is so awesome. I cannot wait for you to

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Speaker 1: share with my audience because I've been enjoying your step-by-step method.

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Speaker 2: It makes me so happy.

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Speaker 1: It's been producing just these wonderful conversations with God and

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Speaker 1: the Lord's just unpacking so much for me. But before

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Speaker 1: we get into all of that, why don't you just

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Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about yourself, tell us about

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Speaker 1: Study on Ministries and what led you to create the

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. So I am Angie Bauman, and I live in

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Speaker 2: Southern Illinois, and I've been married to Matt for 28 years.

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Speaker 2: And we have two kiddos. Alex is our older. He

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Speaker 2: younger son, Josh, is 16, almost 17, and he's a

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Speaker 2: making this work because he's actually, he's a huge golfer.

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Speaker 2: Ministries is about nine years old. I've been in ministry

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Speaker 2: about nine years ago to start Steady On. Steady On

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Speaker 2: lot of different ways. We have a podcast and we

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Speaker 1: Ah, I love that.

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Speaker 1: So why do you think that so many Christians, especially

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a couple of things, Catherine. I think

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Speaker 2: part of it is because we lack mentors. I think

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Speaker 2: that's a variety of reasons. I think there's a lot

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Speaker 2: has been journeying with Jesus longer than us and studying

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Speaker 2: And you know, all the things. So I think that's,

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Speaker 2: there's probably more reasons, but I see, those are the

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Speaker 1: And just, I'm personally convicted by that, that we need

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Speaker 2: I think that's one of the reasons that the Lord

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Speaker 2: some safety in the method. And once you're comfortable in

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Speaker 2: bit of a safety net to where you aren't so

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Speaker 2: overwhelmed by the Bible's a big book, you know? And yeah.

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Speaker 2: But one of the things that I try really hard

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Speaker 2: with the method is to do, it's about independent Bible studies.

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Speaker 2: So You don't have really very many answers that someone

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Speaker 2: I always say pastors and Bible teachers are wonderful. Wonderful.

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Speaker 2: I'm so grateful for them. They have taught me so

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Speaker 2: much about the Bible and about Jesus. But pastors and

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Speaker 2: Bible teachers have a limitation because they can go into

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Speaker 2: to describe God in the Psalms, like refuge and strong tower.

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Speaker 2: And we just talk about what are we learning about

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Speaker 2: God's character as we're studying and And then step four

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Speaker 2: is called to identify the lie of the enemy. And

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Speaker 2: scripture tells us that the enemy is the father of

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Speaker 2: lies and he works in half truths. And so often

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Speaker 2: the enemy's lie has something to do with our fear.

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Speaker 2: Be afraid, right? Be afraid that this doesn't apply to

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Speaker 2: you anymore because of what you did. Or be afraid

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Speaker 2: that God is good, but actually in this circumstance, he's

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Speaker 2: not going to show up for you, right? And what

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Speaker 2: might the enemy be whispering to us that's making what

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Speaker 2: we're studying studying either hard to believe or hard to

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Speaker 2: live out. And that's the step of the study that

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Speaker 2: usually gets the most curiosity maybe, or people will say,

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Speaker 2: I've never thought about this part before when I studied

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Speaker 2: the Bible. Like what might the enemy be saying to me?

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Speaker 2: What might the enemy be trying to whisper to me

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Speaker 2: that encourages me to align with a half-truth and not believe?

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Speaker 2: That God is who he says he is in all

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Speaker 2: of this. And then when we get to step five,

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Speaker 2: we're simply just making note of a key takeaway. We

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Speaker 2: call step five, so what? So what are we going

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Speaker 2: to do with all this, right? So we're making note

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Speaker 2: of a key takeaway, a nugget of truth that we

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Speaker 2: want to remember and take with us as we move forward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I love this. I think it's so awesome. I

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Speaker 1: love what you said about radiant too.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that great? I love that too.

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Speaker 1: It is because where we moved here in Tennessee, we're

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Speaker 1: not far from a lake and we're driving past it

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Speaker 1: all the time. And I see the light dancing on

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Speaker 1: the lake. And that's what I love about this method.

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Speaker 1: So you study that word and the next time you're

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Speaker 1: driving by the lake, you see that light dancing on it,

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Speaker 1: which we drive by it a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: And suddenly your mind goes back to the word, to

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Speaker 1: the word, to the word. To the word.

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Speaker 2: It calls you back to the word. And a heart

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Speaker 2: that might be somewhat sad or discouraged or something, you

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Speaker 2: see the light shining off that water and you think,

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Speaker 2: that's what happens when I look to the Lord. Yes.

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Speaker 1: That's what happens.

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Speaker 2: That happens inside me and it happens on my face, right?

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Speaker 2: And it happens to be the way also that people

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Speaker 2: will see Jesus in me.

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Speaker 1: And Yes.

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Speaker 2: So that's a beautiful example, Catherine, of just how when

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Speaker 2: we study these words and when we study these scriptures, especially,

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Speaker 2: I don't do very many things fast. Obviously, I don't

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Speaker 2: study the word of God fast, one word at a time.

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Speaker 2: But as you study and sit with these scriptures, they

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Speaker 2: do really make an imprint on your heart. And God

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Speaker 2: will call them back to mind to you as you

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Speaker 2: learn them. Mm-hmm.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, throughout the day. That's what I'm seeing happening with

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Speaker 1: this is like throughout the day, that word keeps coming back.

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Speaker 1: That word keeps coming back. And I've done a lot

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Speaker 1: of Bible studies, and they're wonderful. But sometimes you get

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Speaker 1: to the end of the Bible study, you're like, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't really sit with you and come back to you

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Speaker 1: all day long. This, like, it just keeps feeding me

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Speaker 1: all day long. It's like you feast on it in

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Speaker 1: the morning, and then it It comes back, you know,

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Speaker 1: a few minutes later and throughout the day. And then

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Speaker 1: you're driving by the lake and you see the radiance

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Speaker 1: of it. So I didn't tell you I was going

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Speaker 1: to do this, but I really want to do this.

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Speaker 1: I think this will be super fun. I took a

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Speaker 1: verse and did your method with it. And I want

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Speaker 1: to walk through it with you.

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Speaker 2: Okay. I would love this.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited. Yes.

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Speaker 2: Teach me.

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Speaker 1: Tell me what you learned. I can't wait.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Christian parenting may be crazy, but you don't have to

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Speaker 1: do it alone. So I'm imagining this was what happens

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Speaker 1: in your Bible studies that do this, but okay. So

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Speaker 1: I was praying about what word to use and on

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Speaker 1: your website, you already mentioned your theme verse from Psalm 40.

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Speaker 2: 40 verse two. Yes. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That portion of scripture from Psalm 40. It's deeply personal

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Speaker 1: to me too.

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Speaker 2: Oh, amen.

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Speaker 1: I've talked about it on my show before. I struggled

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Speaker 1: with anxiety and depression for many years. And that was

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Speaker 1: a portion of scripture that I clung to like a

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Speaker 1: life raft when God was helping to heal and deliver

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Speaker 1: me from a lot of deep wounds that fed that

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Speaker 1: depression and anxiety for so many years, 17 years. you know, psychiatrists, psychologists,

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Speaker 1: they all wanted to do the medical route. And then,

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Speaker 1: you know, there were, there were deep spirit, a deep

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Speaker 1: spiritual work that God wanted to do in my life.

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Speaker 1: And this portion of scripture. So I'm going to read

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Speaker 1: the portion of scripture. I'm just going to read a

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Speaker 1: couple of verses.

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Speaker 2: Here, and then we're going to dig into it. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So Psalm 40, this is, I want, I want to

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Speaker 1: read one through three. I waited patiently for the Lord.

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Speaker 1: He turned to me and heard my cry. It lifted

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Speaker 1: me out of the slimy pit, out of the mud

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Speaker 1: and mire. He set my feet on a rock and

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Speaker 1: gave me a firm place to stand. He put a

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Speaker 1: new song in my mouth, a hymn of praise to

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Speaker 1: our God. Many will see and fear and put their

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Speaker 1: trust in the Lord. I love that. And so on

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Speaker 1: your website, you've got Psalm 40 verse 2. Your whole

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Speaker 1: theme for your whole ministry is out of here. And

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Speaker 1: you have the NLT version.

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Speaker 2: It's NLT because it uses steadied. Yes, exactly. He set

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Speaker 2: my feet on solid rock and steadied me as I

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Speaker 2: walked along. Yeah, that's from the NLT, which is one

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Speaker 2: of those things about comparing translations.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love it.

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Speaker 1: So the word I picked out of this, I was

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Speaker 1: praying about it, and I just kept coming back to

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Speaker 1: the word rock.

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Speaker 2: Rock. What does that mean? I'm so excited. I can

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Speaker 2: hardly hold it in. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I've got chills all over.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll be quiet.

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Speaker 1: No, no, this is awesome.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited too.

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Speaker 1: So like I said, in the NIV, it was he

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Speaker 1: lifted me out of the slimy pit, out of the

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Speaker 1: mud and mire. He set my feet on a rock

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Speaker 1: and gave me a firm place to stand. The NLT,

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Speaker 1: the New Living Translation, which is on your website, he

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Speaker 1: lifted me out of the pit of despair. I love that.

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Speaker 1: Out of the mud and mire, he set my feet

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Speaker 1: on solid ground and steadied me as I walked along.

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Speaker 1: Love both of those versions. They give us such a

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Speaker 1: wonderful representation of what God can and will do. Because

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Speaker 1: I did feel, I felt hopeless. I felt despair. And

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Speaker 1: I was constantly slipping and I wanted something to stand on, right?

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Speaker 1: So I went and looked up the word, what is

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Speaker 1: a rock? Merriam-Webster says it's a rock. a large, massive

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Speaker 1: stone forming a cliff, promontory, or peak. It's a foundation

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Speaker 1: or a support. But I love this definition. It gets

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Speaker 1: to a refuge. A refuge.

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Speaker 2: Synonyms.

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Speaker 1: Synonyms, stone, boulder, cliff, mainstay, stalwart, tower of strength. It's

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Speaker 1: giving some of those antonyms. Soft, liquid, fragile. And the

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Speaker 1: verse itself gives us some antonyms. It's contrasted with the

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Speaker 1: mud and mire.

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Speaker 2: Mirey pit, yes, right.

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Speaker 1: Mirey clay. And that's exactly what I felt like. I

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Speaker 1: was constantly wet and I was slipping. I was slipping

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Speaker 1: all the time. So those antonyms and synonyms are very important.

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Speaker 1: Very helpful there. And I looked at other versions. I

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Speaker 1: looked at the NIV, ESV, KJV, NKJV, New King James Version,

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Speaker 1: and they all used rock. But the NLT, which you have,

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Speaker 1: which is the theme of your ministry, calls it solid ground.

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Speaker 2: Solid ground.

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Speaker 1: Solid ground. And that's what you're looking for. You're looking

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Speaker 1: for some solid ground when you're constantly slipping and you

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Speaker 1: don't have any hope. So I went, one of the

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Speaker 1: websites I've always enjoyed using is BibleHub.com. And I went to,

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Speaker 1: because everything's kind of at your fingertip there. Check it out.

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Speaker 1: You can click on very quickly and find the, of course,

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Speaker 1: this is Old Testament, so it's Hebrew. I went to

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Speaker 1: find the original Hebrew word. And that word is Sela, S-E-L-A, Sela.

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Speaker 1: Strong's Hebrew. It's the reference is five, five, five, three. They,

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Speaker 1: they reference, they put numbers on all of the words

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Speaker 1: so you can identify them. And once you click on them,

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Speaker 1: they'll show you everything.

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Speaker 2: All kinds of things. Yes. And I'll just say, if

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Speaker 2: you're like, I don't know how to do that. If

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Speaker 2: you get the, my free resource, it shows you how.

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Speaker 2: So I just plug that right now because yes, don't get,

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Speaker 2: don't get discouraged. If you are like, I don't know

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Speaker 2: what she's talking about. Yes.

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Speaker 1: Yes. They will help you find all of that. And

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Speaker 1: so I just click on that. So what is Sela?

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Speaker 1: Do you know if I'm pronouncing it Sela?

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't. But also, yes, we have fun

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Speaker 2: with that because we're like, I don't know exactly. And

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Speaker 2: then we'll look it up because there's lots of places

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Speaker 2: that'll read it to you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. You can just Google it and they'll read it

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Speaker 1: to you. So it's a craggy rock, literally or figuratively.

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Speaker 1: And then it says a fortress. Okay. So that's what

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Speaker 1: I love because you just said, So when you say

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Speaker 1: you go back to the original word, it doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: something different, but it almost always means something more.

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Speaker 2: Yes. And I know what a rock is.

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Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. But a fortress.

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Speaker 2: Yes. But you look there and you're like, it's a fortress.

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Speaker 2: You set your feet on a fortress.

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Speaker 1: That's not the same thing as a rock or even

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Speaker 1: just solid ground. Because, OK, I was thinking about this.

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Speaker 1: If I have a bear chasing me. like and a

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Speaker 1: bear is chasing me yes a rock might be nice

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Speaker 1: yes i could stand on it i'm not gonna slip

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Speaker 1: while the bear attacks me right right but it's not

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Speaker 1: just a solid ground or just a rock yeah it's

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Speaker 1: a fortress now a fortress is something different so i

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Speaker 1: looked up that word a fortress is a fortified place

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Speaker 1: it's a stronghold it's a large and permanent fortification so

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Speaker 1: and it's um It says a strong building or group

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Speaker 1: of buildings that is heavily protected and get this designed

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Speaker 1: to defend against enemy attacks.

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Speaker 2: So I know if I'm running.

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Speaker 1: Away from a bear, I don't just want the rock

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Speaker 1: or the solid ground. What the original word is referring

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Speaker 1: to here is a fortress. That is what he's going

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Speaker 1: to provide for us. He is going to defend us

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Speaker 1: from the enemy.

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Speaker 2: From our enemy. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I never knew that about this verse that I've known

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Speaker 1: for so long and clung to as the Lord did

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Speaker 1: provide a fortress. But think about that. What are your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on that, Angie?

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Speaker 2: It's just gorgeous. I have done this verse before, but

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Speaker 2: not with that word. And I'm learning something new because

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Speaker 2: you did that word, which just makes me so happy.

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Speaker 2: But when you think about even in your own situation

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Speaker 2: of anxiety and depression and These verses came into my

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Speaker 2: life after a very serious car accident and I was

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Speaker 2: in months and months of rehab. And so I was

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Speaker 2: in a place of brokenness, different than you, but a

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Speaker 2: place of brokenness, right? But in both of our situations

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Speaker 2: of brokenness, we are vulnerable to the enemy. We're vulnerable

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Speaker 2: to the enemy. But he says, no, I will lift

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Speaker 2: you from that place and I will put you on

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Speaker 2: solid ground, which is a protection place. From the bear, yes,

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Speaker 2: but from the lion, right? In 1 Peter 5, you know,

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Speaker 2: looking for someone to devour in her vulnerability. And he says, no, no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 2: And so, yeah, I love how you've done this because

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Speaker 2: you're already beginning to see and to demonstrate how you're like,

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Speaker 2: wait a second, this verse was important to me and

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Speaker 2: it is important to me, but the Lord is taking

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Speaker 2: me to a place where his promises are like so intimate.

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Speaker 2: Like I see you in that place. And I will

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Speaker 2: pick you up and put you on a place of

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Speaker 2: protection from that which threatens to take you down. I

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Speaker 2: love it.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I love it. Because this verse that I've always loved,

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Speaker 1: that actually it's a verse I pray over my daughter

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Speaker 1: who struggled and my oldest has gone through a bit

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Speaker 1: of a, she went through an agnostic season and She's

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Speaker 1: now believing God. And this is one of the verses

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Speaker 1: that I put in my prodigal bundle of verses to

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Speaker 1: pray over children who are struggling in their faith. We

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Speaker 1: pray this over my daughter every day because this is

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Speaker 1: my prayers that God would put her in this place.

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Speaker 1: And so I pray it every day. But now this

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Speaker 1: verse has become so much richer. I'm going to read that.

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Speaker 1: We're going to finish out this process really quickly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So the commentary on it, God, it's talking about, this

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Speaker 1: is a psalm of David. God did not merely remove

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Speaker 1: David from danger. He established him in a place of safety.

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Speaker 1: Exactly what we were talking about when I really got

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Speaker 1: into this definition of the word rock. It's not just

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Speaker 1: a rock, solid ground. It's a fortress. So he delivered

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Speaker 1: him into a place of safety throughout scripture. The Lord said,

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Speaker 1: is the rock and refuge of his people. Christ is

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Speaker 1: the sure foundation and cornerstone upon whom believers stand. So

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Speaker 1: not only is he delivering us to a fortress, he is.

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Speaker 2: He is the fortress.

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Speaker 1: He is the fortress.

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Speaker 2: Yes. I place you firmly back in my protection. Yes.

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Speaker 1: You're here. You are over there and you're mine. Yes.

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Speaker 1: And I am taking you out of that pit. of despair,

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Speaker 1: and I'm putting you in. I am the refuge and

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Speaker 1: the fortress, which tells us about his character, right? We

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Speaker 1: lean in that the other step, we lean into his character.

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Speaker 1: What is that telling me about my God? He is strong.

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Speaker 1: He is able. He's a deliverer. He has a plan.

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Speaker 1: He has a plan. I don't know what the plan is,

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Speaker 1: but he has a plan to take me from there

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Speaker 1: and to put me here. So I did my version.

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Speaker 1: Of the verse, I said, God took me from a

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Speaker 1: place where I was constantly sinking and losing my footing

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Speaker 1: on some slippery clay to a place where I'm stable

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Speaker 1: and secure on solid ground, completely protected in God from

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Speaker 1: the enemy.

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Speaker 2: So that's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: That's my personal version of what the Lord and he did.

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Speaker 1: He did all of that. So step four, what is

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Speaker 1: the lie of the enemy? Well, I can remember that

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Speaker 1: lie so well. Things are never going to change. They

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Speaker 1: are never going to get better. You will be in

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Speaker 1: this pit forever. Right.

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Speaker 2: But Joshua 1, 5, we can cover that with scripture, right?

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Speaker 2: Who says, I will never leave you nor forsake you

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Speaker 2: or something, right? Like it's so good to like be

741
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Speaker 2: able to say what actually is true because I am

742
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Speaker 2: tempted to believe this. And so what do I pull?

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Speaker 2: I mean, just the verse, that's kind of the enemy's lies,

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Speaker 2: like the antonym of the verse we're studying almost when

745
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Speaker 2: you go back to that, right? But the truth is, no,

746
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Speaker 2: God has placed me in the protection of himself and

747
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Speaker 2: I'm not in any danger when God himself is my protection.

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Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. And I can remember having walked through all of this.

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Speaker 1: And if there's anyone in the listening audience who's really struggling,

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Speaker 1: you feel like you're in a pit and you are

751
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Speaker 1: hopeless and you think there's no way out. I just

752
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Speaker 1: want to tell you, God has a plan. He has

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Speaker 1: a plan. It requires some courage on your part. You

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Speaker 1: don't have to do anything other than just trust in

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Speaker 1: him and obey what he tells you to do. What

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Speaker 1: he tells you to do is, is necessary for your

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Speaker 1: deliverance and your healing. He will lead you. He will

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Speaker 1: bring you out of that pit. Just trust and obey.

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Speaker 2: Trust and obey.

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Speaker 1: What the Lord leads you to do. The final step

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Speaker 1: you have, what are your key takeaways? And my key

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Speaker 1: takeaways from this verse now are that there will be

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Speaker 1: times in life when we feel lost, when we may

764
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Speaker 1: feel hopeless, when we feel distraught or in despair. And

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Speaker 1: the enemy will try to convince us.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: That we will be there forever.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: But God has a plan to deliver us from that

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Speaker 1: pit and put us in a fortress that is him himself.

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Speaker 1: He is the fortress. And he will protect us. He

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Speaker 1: will protect me from what once ailed me. That was

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Speaker 1: my key takeaway. I love that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And for those who are struggling, this is a

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Speaker 2: process of we are lifted from the pit and placed

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Speaker 2: on the fortress or in the fortress, the care of

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Speaker 2: the fortress, as often as we call on the Lord.

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Speaker 2: So if we're really in a difficult season, it can

779
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Speaker 2: be moment by moment that this is happening. And then

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Speaker 2: as we get stronger and we see him more and

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Speaker 2: we trust his faithfulness more, then we will realize that

782
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Speaker 2: that season of struggle is somewhat distant or it's lesser,

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Speaker 2: and it's more in our past than it was. But

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Speaker 2: this is a process that the more you study the

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Speaker 2: Bible and the more you connect with the faithful promises

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Speaker 2: of a loving God, you will be able to say, Lord,

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Speaker 2: in this moment of despair or in this moment of

788
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Speaker 2: discouragement or in this moment of sadness, oh, it makes

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Speaker 2: me cry, I trust you. And that alone is how

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Speaker 2: we move from the pit to the fortress. I trust you.

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Speaker 2: I believe you.

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Speaker 1: That is so good. Leaning into his character. And that's

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Speaker 1: what the enemy will always have as doubt, right? He

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Speaker 1: wants us to doubt. He wants us to doubt who

795
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Speaker 1: our God is and what he has done and will

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Speaker 1: do on our behalf.

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Speaker 2: That's what he started with Eve. Is it not in

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Speaker 2: the garden? He's not really sharing with you everything you need.

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Speaker 2: You need this wisdom too, right? You better try to

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Speaker 2: take care of yourself a little bit because he's not

801
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Speaker 2: completely trustworthy to be the one to take care of you.

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Speaker 2: It's the same song, different verse. I know.

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Speaker 1: He's been singing that song forever.

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Speaker 2: And he doesn't get tired. No. And we have to

805
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Speaker 2: have knowledge and we get that knowledge. We can say

806
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Speaker 2: when that voice comes back into our head, into our heart,

807
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Speaker 2: we can say, wait a second, I know what this is.

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Speaker 2: The voice of the Lord doesn't talk to me like this.

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Speaker 2: The voice of the Lord isn't shaming. The voice of

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Speaker 2: the Lord isn't mean. And so no, in the name

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Speaker 2: of Jesus, I call upon the God that is faithful.

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Speaker 2: In the name of the Jesus, I call upon the

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Speaker 2: God that is faithful. Jesus died so that I can

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Speaker 2: live in freedom from this. And I choose freedom today.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Amen.

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Speaker 1: Amen. And we can respond as Jesus did. As Jesus

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Speaker 1: did when he said, it is written.

819
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Speaker 2: Yes. Yes.

820
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Speaker 1: It is written.

821
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Speaker 2: Yes. That he will live.

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Speaker 1: Put my feet on a rock, which is him himself.

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Speaker 1: And he is the fortress. So this enables me to

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Speaker 1: respond with passion and, To the enemy when he comes,

825
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Speaker 1: just as Jesus did to say, no, this is what the, oh,

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Speaker 1: and by the way, here's the Hebrew word. And this

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Speaker 1: is what it means. It's Stella. It means that he

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Speaker 1: has become my fortress and he is going to protect

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Speaker 1: me from you. And this is what he has said.

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Speaker 1: It is written.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So for the mom who may feel overwhelmed with all

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Speaker 1: her motherhood responsibility, and she's like, I can't think, I

836
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Speaker 1: can't do one more thing. Let me just first add

837
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Speaker 1: that this might've taken me 15, 20 minutes to do

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Speaker 1: this because it's like, once you show where all of

839
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Speaker 1: these resources is, it doesn't take that long. It really doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Our aim is to make it simple and repeatable. We've

841
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Speaker 2: tried very hard to get this into a process that

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Speaker 2: it can't, I mean, if you want to sit with

843
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Speaker 2: it an hour and chase rabbits and go down, you know,

844
00:42:56,820 --> 00:42:59,180
Speaker 2: and read more stuff, you sure can, but you can

845
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Speaker 2: get the kind of, Revelation that Catherine is talking about

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Speaker 2: right here in a few minutes, really.

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Speaker 1: Right. The kind of revelation that just continues to feed

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Speaker 1: you like all day. I can't tell you how much

849
00:43:10,910 --> 00:43:13,969
Speaker 1: I've feasted on that idea of the rock. And I

850
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Speaker 1: did this several days ago, and I just keep feasting

851
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Speaker 1: on the rock. What does that mean, God, that you

852
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:21,350
Speaker 1: are my fortress? And you just keep feeding on it.

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Speaker 1: But the cool thing about it, too, is you go

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Speaker 1: back to the same verse and just pick a different

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Speaker 1: word now.

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00:43:25,350 --> 00:43:27,810
Speaker 2: Pick a different word. Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 1: I love that. So when we're heavy or broken and overwhelmed,

858
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Speaker 1: the Bible, really, it becomes our comfort in those moments.

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Speaker 1: And I know that There are those in the listening

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Speaker 1: audience that may feel a little intimidated, but talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about how your method then becomes our comfort.

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Speaker 1: It's not Everest. We're just taking the next step. It's

863
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Speaker 1: not that steep. It's really quite easy and refreshing, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: It is. It's comfort and it's nourishment. And I just

865
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Speaker 2: want to encourage the mom too that it's for you.

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Speaker 2: What Catherine has learned by studying this verse that's so

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Speaker 2: personal to her is for Catherine, but it's also for

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Speaker 2: her other people, right? There's a different lightness and a

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Speaker 2: different patience and a different kindness that we have for

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Speaker 2: the people that are closest to us when we are

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Speaker 2: connected with these promises of God. And so I encourage

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Speaker 2: you to do it for yourself, but I also encourage

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Speaker 2: you to do it for your people. And I do

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Speaker 2: just want to say, if you download, it's free. If

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Speaker 2: you download the starter kit that I know Catherine's going

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Speaker 2: to put in the show notes here, it has. two

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Speaker 2: videos that take about 20 minutes to watch that teach

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Speaker 2: you how to put these apps on your phone. The

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Speaker 2: three apps that we're talking about to get started. It

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Speaker 2: has a blank study sheet. It has all the steps

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Speaker 2: on another sheet. It also has a study guide that

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Speaker 2: has suggested verses. If you don't know where to start,

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Speaker 2: the study guide goes along with the understand your Bible

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Speaker 2: podcast that uses the verses that are in the study guide.

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Speaker 2: So you can pick the, verse of the week, and

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Speaker 2: then listen in if you want to on what I

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Speaker 2: learned as I was studying the verse. Or you can start,

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Speaker 2: like I said earlier, with your devotion. It has a

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Speaker 2: verse of scripture in it, the verse of the day.

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Speaker 2: You can use a Bible study, like Catherine was saying,

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Speaker 2: that probably has some anchor verses in there that you

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Speaker 2: just want to go dig deeper. Maybe if you're regularly

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Speaker 2: in church, you want to take the passage of scripture

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Speaker 2: that your pastor used on Sunday and pick one of

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Speaker 2: those verses and go a little deeper into what they

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Speaker 2: said and So you have the, probably you have what

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Speaker 2: you need and you don't have to buy anything and

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Speaker 2: you don't have to go anywhere and you can just start.

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Speaker 1: Ah, that's awesome. I wanted to talk in our few

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Speaker 1: remaining moments, how to apply this with our kids. For

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Speaker 1: those of us who still have children in the home

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Speaker 1: that we're doing active Bible studies with. So my three

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Speaker 1: older kids, I've got two that I've empty nested recently.

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Speaker 1: I miss them very much.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: But, um, so, and then I've got one who's 16

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Speaker 1: and she's doing her own Bible study. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited to share this method with all of

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Speaker 1: them to encourage them to go and do it on

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Speaker 1: their own. I even have visions of my son being an, um,

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Speaker 1: he's majoring in biblical studies at MCU, like just doing this,

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Speaker 1: how cool would it be that you're in your Bible class?

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Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, I studied that verse this morning.

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Speaker 1: And this word means that, you know, Selah means rock,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm like, well, that can't hurt. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's just a wonderful way to go about studying. And

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Speaker 1: I think it really adds a lot of depth and

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Speaker 1: richness and vocabulary to you in your future studies as well.

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Speaker 1: Who knows, some of our kids may be going into

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Speaker 1: biblical studies like my son is. But I do have

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Speaker 1: two younger ones. I have a nine and 11 year old.

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Speaker 1: So I was thinking, hey, they could pick a verse

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Speaker 1: or we could get to a verse and we could

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Speaker 1: trade off. Okay, Weston today, why don't you pick one

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Speaker 1: word that jumps out to you in this and kind

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Speaker 1: of just go through the process with them. And let's like, let's.

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Speaker 1: Show them. This is such a great, see, that's what

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Speaker 1: I love. I'm so excited to do this with them

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Speaker 1: because I can say, okay, here we're going to dig in.

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Speaker 1: This was the verse that you guys chose and here's

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Speaker 1: the word that Weston wants to look into today. And

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Speaker 1: so we're going to really dig in. What is that

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Speaker 1: Greek word? What does it mean? What lie could be

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Speaker 1: attached to this? And going through all the steps with

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Speaker 1: him and then either take the same verse the next

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Speaker 1: day and let my daughter pick a word.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: And we can go through it that way. But this

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Speaker 1: seems so user-friendly that I could really use this with

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Speaker 1: my kids, can't I?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah. So if you go to my website under

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Speaker 2: the free resources tab, you can find the step-by-step starter kit.

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Speaker 2: That's what we've been talking about. But there's also a

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Speaker 2: family kit, which includes everything in the starter kit, but

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Speaker 2: it also adds a study sheet for kiddos. And then

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Speaker 2: it has a planning sheet as well. So if you'd

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Speaker 2: like to study the verse ahead of time, maybe use

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Speaker 2: it in your homeschool curriculum or for family devotion, something

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Speaker 2: like that, and you want a little head start on

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Speaker 2: the kiddos, you can do it that way as well.

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Speaker 2: But yes, absolutely. It works. It's been used. This method

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Speaker 2: has been used in curriculum for Christian schools, in homeschool co-ops.

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Speaker 2: It's actually being used. I'm very honored. It's being used

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Speaker 2: in a juvenile detention center in Albuquerque, New Mexico by

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Speaker 2: someone who loves the method. And she goes in and

956
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Speaker 2: she teaches those who are incarcerated, the teenagers there. And so, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's very effective for younger people as well.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm currently doing community Bible study. We're studying

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Speaker 1: the book of Acts with a group of ladies. And

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Speaker 1: the cool thing about that Bible study, I really like

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Speaker 1: it because it's not overwhelming. It probably the whole week

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Speaker 1: takes maybe, I don't know, hour or an hour and

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Speaker 1: a half that you divide up into your days. But

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Speaker 1: that leaves a lot of extra time. So I can

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Speaker 1: go in with the other Bible study I'm already doing

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Speaker 1: and OK, I'm going to dig into this verse and

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Speaker 1: this word in this verse and do that to really

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Speaker 1: bring a lot of richness and depth to the other

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Speaker 1: Bible study I'm already doing. Or you could do it

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Speaker 1: all on its own just by itself, you know. And

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Speaker 1: I am very excited to try that with the kids

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Speaker 1: because I want them to learn how to dig into

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Speaker 1: the word. Yes.

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Speaker 2: Let us teach our kids how to study the word. Yeah. Right.

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Speaker 1: Get a taste and see that the Lord is good

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Speaker 1: and help them to understand how this very rich method,

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Speaker 1: I think, really gets deep in there and can provide

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Speaker 1: a source of just comfort and nutrition, spiritual nutrition, that is,

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Speaker 1: all day long.

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Speaker 2: So that's awesome.

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Speaker 1: Any final thoughts you have? that you'd like to share

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Speaker 1: with us? Anything we missed that we didn't get to cover?

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Speaker 1: Anything you.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what I expected today, but I did

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Speaker 2: not expect to have this much fun studying with you,

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Speaker 2: which is just, it just was super, it was just

987
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Speaker 2: a blast. So whoever's listening, this was just organic and

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Speaker 2: true and fun. And this is the kind of joy,

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Speaker 2: it's truthfully the kind of joy that comes when we

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Speaker 2: open the Word and have the tools to study it

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Speaker 2: and give God the space to speak truth, His truth

992
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:55,100
Speaker 2: over our life and circumstances. It brings the kind of

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Speaker 2: this joy and peace that we've had today as we've studied.

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Speaker 2: So Catherine, thank you for studying with me. This was

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Speaker 2: really fun.

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Speaker 1: It was. I can just imagine groups of men and

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Speaker 1: women doing this, you know, in small groups, just getting together,

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Speaker 1: picking a verse, going. And everybody comes back, like you said,

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Speaker 1: with your groups. Just I studied this word. This is

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Speaker 1: what the Lord showed me here. And just. Doing exactly

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Speaker 1: what we've done today. I think we just kind of

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Speaker 1: fleshed it out for everybody. We did.

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Speaker 2: This is it. This is what happens. I know.

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Speaker 1: That's why I was so excited. I always tell people

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to talk to you today because obviously you

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Speaker 1: have to say that to your guests. You don't want

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Speaker 1: to be like, well, glad you're here. You know, I've always, I,

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Speaker 1: of course, I don't have people on my show that

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Speaker 1: I don't want, you know, I'm not excited to talk

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Speaker 1: to you, but I was super excited to talk to

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Speaker 1: you because I've really been enjoying doing this so much.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it is an honor. It really is. I'm honored.

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Speaker 2: And it's just, it's, it makes me so happy to

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Speaker 2: know that something that was already really meaningful has taken

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Speaker 2: on even new meaning and depth.

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Speaker 1: It really has. I see myself just incorporating this into

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Speaker 1: my personal Bible study this time. Just going forward from

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Speaker 1: now and just really sinking my teeth into these original

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Speaker 1: words and meanings. And that was one of the biggest

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Speaker 1: takeaways for me because I loved what you said. I

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Speaker 1: had already listened to you talk about the method and

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Speaker 1: you'd said that that original word, it doesn't mean something different,

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Speaker 1: but it almost always means something more.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: And that is exactly what I found when I went

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Speaker 1: back to that root word. And that has been feeding me.

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Speaker 2: Yay.

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Speaker 1: So yay. And before the show, we talked about some

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Speaker 1: other things that, hey, we got to get back together.

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Speaker 1: We've just had too much fun. Yes. We're going to

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Speaker 1: have to get back together sometime and find another topic

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Speaker 1: to talk about because this was awesome. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I would love that.

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Speaker 1: One more time, tell our listeners where to go to

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Speaker 1: find out all about you and your ministry and the

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Speaker 1: step-by-step method.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just the website. Yeah, the website is livestedyon.com, livestedyon.com.

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Speaker 2: And you can find the tab for the podcast if

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Speaker 2: that interests you. You can find the tab for the

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Speaker 2: Bible studies, but also make sure those free resources if

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Speaker 2: that's where, that's just the best place to start. Awesome.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us today, Angie. I

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Speaker 1: can't wait for our next conversation, whatever it will be.

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Speaker 2: I'm for it. Thank you, Catherine.

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Speaker 1: I think you could hear how excited I was to

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Speaker 1: really dig into the Word with Angie. That was an

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Speaker 1: absolute blast. If I had to rate all of my

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Speaker 1: podcasts for fun level, the funnest I've had in a

1049
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Speaker 1: podcast episode, I think this might. Definitely top five, if

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Speaker 1: not really close to the top. Thank you. I'm so

1051
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Speaker 1: grateful for Angie joining me today. I hope that that

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Speaker 1: fun that we had in studying the Word of God is...

1053
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Speaker 1: really transformative for you, that you can have that much

1054
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Speaker 1: fun too, studying the Word of God and sharing with

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Speaker 1: your family, with your husband, with your wife, with your kids,

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Speaker 1: what God has taught you. That is what we're here

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Speaker 1: to do today, is to learn how to dig into

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Speaker 1: the Word and have these kinds of encounters with the Word,

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Speaker 1: transforming us and changing us into His likeness, helping us

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Speaker 1: to know who God is and make Him known to

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Speaker 1: I think Angie's method is brilliant, and I'm so excited

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Speaker 1: to be using it myself and with my kids. I

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Speaker 1: know this sounds like, I'm sorry, I don't want this

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Speaker 1: to sound like a commercial. She did not pay to

1065
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Speaker 1: come on the show. I just love it that much.

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Speaker 2: So I hope.

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Speaker 1: You enjoyed the conversation we had as much as I did.

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Speaker 1: And as always, remember, God gave you your kids, your

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Speaker 1: specific kids for a reason. That's because you hold the

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Speaker 1: key to unlocking who God created them to be. We'll

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Speaker 1: see you next time. Christian Parent Crazy World is a

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Speaker 1: production of Life Audio and Salem Media.

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