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Speaker 3: We have so much to be grateful for today, I

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Speaker 3: RFK Junior found these diaries in about eight servers scattered

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Swan, Welcome to the show. It's good to see you.

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Speaker 3: Some might be some might be surprised to see a

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Speaker 3: for those who didn't know and don't know you and

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Speaker 3: maybe that's a good place to start, because I know

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Speaker 3: And you tell the story of inside the White House

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Speaker 4: it's an objective fact that without Charlie Kirk, Jade Vance

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Speaker 4: Well, it's nuanced, right, even the skepticism from the US intelligence.

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Speaker 3: was like, if your if your goal is to get

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Speaker 3: the first two, then fine, if your goal is to

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Speaker 3: get the other two, namely regime change, like the Intel's bunk.

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Speaker 3: And I thought that was a really interesting I mean,

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Speaker 3: a lot of people had issues with bbbing in the

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Speaker 3: situation room. I share those A lot of people had

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Speaker 3: issues with a number of things from that story, but

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Speaker 3: I think it was a really interesting look inside the

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Speaker 3: room about how varied the opinions were and how actually

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Speaker 3: how sober minded.

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Speaker 2: Many of them were, including JD including Marco.

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Speaker 3: All Right, so I want to talk about the Iran

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Speaker 3: or the the this MoU because I do think that

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Speaker 3: there is this perception. I don't think it's fair that

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Speaker 3: basically JD Vance has been you know, going rogue and

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Speaker 3: he's working against the president's interests and you see this

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Speaker 3: narrative forming online. I know you've mentioned you've talked about

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Speaker 3: this before, but and I know that you say it's false,

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Speaker 3: but let's get into detail. Explain how you know that

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Speaker 3: the peace proposal working towards a peace plan was President

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Speaker 3: Trump's direct order to jd Vance and what changed in

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Speaker 3: the President's thinking to get him from a war posture

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Speaker 3: more towards a peace posture.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I don't I heard this. I didn't

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Speaker 4: really realize this was much of a narrative until I

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Speaker 4: was actually asked this question on a different podcast, and

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Speaker 4: it was so absurd. I mean, I just honestly, I

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Speaker 4: never even really heard anyone say this, because no one

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Speaker 4: who actually knows what's going on, who's working in the

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Speaker 4: administration at senior level, has ever suggested that to me.

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Speaker 4: I mean, President Trump asked jd Vance, Steve Wikoff, and

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Speaker 4: Jared Kushna to negotiate with the Iranians. Now that's not

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Speaker 4: to say that Trump thinks. Trump has been at different

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Speaker 4: times very skeptical of whether they would succeed or not,

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Speaker 4: but that's a separate question from whether he asked them

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Speaker 4: to do it. He just did. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 4: even know what to tell people who are saying that,

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Speaker 4: and do they have any evidence? I mean, what are

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Speaker 4: they proposing as evidence that this is a rogue situation.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, listen, Jonathan, you know, it's all a

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Speaker 3: proxy war about twenty twenty eight, right. The more hawkish crowd,

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Speaker 3: it's very skeptical about JD and the I think you.

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Speaker 2: Know, they prefer Rubio.

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Speaker 3: So it's all a proxy war for twenty twenty eight, right,

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Speaker 3: And they want to paint JD as some sort of

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Speaker 3: non pragmatic dove who's naive to the machinations of the

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Speaker 3: Iranian regime.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's what it is.

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Speaker 3: But I think JD has gone into these negotiations very

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Speaker 3: aware that they could back out at any time and

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Speaker 3: that they might have to restart military kinetic operations, which

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Speaker 3: they've had to do. But once again we're in a

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Speaker 3: position where we're seeing the push towards an MU. You

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Speaker 3: saw President Trump this morning with Lindsey Graham and his

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Speaker 3: funeral saying, you know, Lindsay was pushing for a peace

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Speaker 3: plan with Iran. He's like, Lindsay loved war, but even

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Speaker 3: he was pushing I mean that's what he said. Said

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Speaker 3: by the end, so I mean, basically your point. There's

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Speaker 3: two narratives really, that JD went rogue with this peace

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Speaker 3: plan or that he was you know, being naive something

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Speaker 3: along those lines, and that Trump got dog walked into

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Speaker 3: Iran by Israel. Those are the two i think competing

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Speaker 3: narratives that you see it both the start of this

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Speaker 3: this operation and in the attempt to conclude it. Right,

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Speaker 3: So maybe let's go back to the first. At the start,

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Speaker 3: you know, obviously it's clear net Yahoo was in the

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Speaker 3: situation room. Did Trump get you know, pushed into this

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Speaker 3: war by Israel?

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Speaker 4: Again, it's more complicated. These are these nice clean narratives,

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Speaker 4: they just they're just not accurate. It's it's much more nuanced. Yes,

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Speaker 4: Netnahu made a very aggressive campaign, as everyone knows, over

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Speaker 4: many many months to try to bring America into this war.

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Speaker 4: But actually the reality, you could talk to anyone in

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Speaker 4: Trump's in the circle, literally anyone, talk to anyone who

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Speaker 4: was actually there who saw these decisions get made. Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump himself was more hawkish about Iran than just about

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Speaker 4: anyone on his team I think actually more than anyone

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Speaker 4: on his team. The closest probably was Pete xth And

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Speaker 4: remember Trump has a long history of this. People choose

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Speaker 4: not to see it, and that's their prerogative. But if

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Speaker 4: you choose to actually just deal with objectively with what

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Speaker 4: Trump is his long record on Iran A He's been

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Speaker 4: talking about Iran for a very long time, very long time,

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Speaker 4: even before he went into politics. In the first term,

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Speaker 4: there were senior advisers that he had who counseled him

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Speaker 4: to stay in the jcpoa Obama's nuclear deal with Iran.

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Speaker 4: Trump ignored their advice and pulled out of the deal.

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Speaker 4: That was a hawkish move. And then again later in

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Speaker 4: his term January twenty twenty, there were men any people

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Speaker 4: who thought it was unwise to order the killing of

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Speaker 4: Custom Solamani, the top Iranian general. Trump went ahead with

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Speaker 4: it and did it anyway. And then in his years

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Speaker 4: out of power, he was briefed by the FBI that

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Speaker 4: the Iranians were trying to kill him, so that had

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Speaker 4: an effect. Again, He's also said, you know, stay out

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Speaker 4: of wars and you can find what you want in

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump's rhetoric. I fully concede that, of course, but

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Speaker 4: he does have a very hawkish record with Iran specifically,

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Speaker 4: so it was more complicated than that, and Ultimately, Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump decided to go into this war. He made the decision,

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Speaker 4: and a skeptical case was put to him, most aggressively

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Speaker 4: by JD. Vance, but in certain more narrow respects by

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Speaker 4: others too.

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Speaker 3: So let's go into everybody wants to talk about twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty eight horse race. We've probably given it too much

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Speaker 3: attention on this show. Let's I know your book is

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Speaker 3: about the first year, but what can you glean from

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Speaker 3: that first year as we head into the midterms? What

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Speaker 3: is the mood inside this White House? What are they thinking?

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Speaker 3: What are the strategies that you expect them to employ

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Speaker 3: heading into November? Are they worried? Are they frustrated? Are

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Speaker 3: they confident? What's the mood?

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Speaker 4: I mean, they're obviously worried. I mean that these are

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Speaker 4: smart political operators, and they're immersed in data and they

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Speaker 4: can see what everyone else can see, which is the

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Speaker 4: president has a low approval rating. Presidents always their party

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Speaker 4: always tends to history shows they tend to perform, not always,

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Speaker 4: but almost always, tend to underperform in midterm elections. So

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Speaker 4: all of those factors, and then of course cost of living.

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Speaker 4: You know, I could just rehearse the listening, but you've

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Speaker 4: heard it. The Iran Wars certainly hasn't helped, but to

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Speaker 4: the extent that they're hopeful, optimistic, in some cases more confident.

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Speaker 4: It's for a couple of reasons. Number one, the Senate

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Speaker 4: map is very, very favorable to Republicans, and a lot

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Speaker 4: of these races that Democrats are talking about winning, they're tough.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you tell me what the layup is in

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Speaker 4: the Senate for Democrats. I can't tell you what it is.

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Speaker 4: I can't tell you what the layup is. Maine, Yes,

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Speaker 4: I get it. Democrats generally do well in Maine. But

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Speaker 4: Susan Collins has her own brand there. She's a very

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Speaker 4: formidable candidate. Ohio's a red state. I understand they think

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Speaker 4: they have a strong candidate there, but it's a red state.

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Speaker 4: That's a hard win iowas a red state. These are

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Speaker 4: not like slam dunks for the Democrats. So that's one thing.

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Speaker 4: And then the other thing is in the House. Look,

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Speaker 4: it's a huge uphill climb took for the Republicans to

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Speaker 4: hold the House. They all understand that. But the effort

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Speaker 4: by James Blair and others to redraw the maps has

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Speaker 4: definitely helped them. The structural advantages are definitely on their side,

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Speaker 4: and they've got here's the other thing that people aren't

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Speaker 4: really talking about. I think nearly enough for the first

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Speaker 4: time in my memory, the Republicans have an overwhelming financial advantage,

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Speaker 4: and a lot of it is because of these the

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Speaker 4: shift in Silicon Valley and the crypto money, and the

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Speaker 4: changing landscape in the Donu community, which I think is

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Speaker 4: really under indexed. So you can tell a story where

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Speaker 4: things are much more favorable to them, even though the

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Speaker 4: overall environment is pretty terrible.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that's a really fair telling of events there.

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Swan, New York Times Reporter, author of the new

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Speaker 3: book Regime Change. And you know that title, man, given

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Speaker 3: what's happened in Iran is almost freaky, Jonathan. And by

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Speaker 3: the way, that's those are the marching orders. Get gas

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Speaker 3: under four, get oil prices down, and wrap up that war,

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Speaker 3: because that's the big drag. If we could do that,

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Speaker 3: a lot of things open up. Jonathan Swan, thank you, thank.

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Speaker 2: You for your time.

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Speaker 4: Thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 3: opinion and reporting Sean, Welcome back to the show, my friend.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't help but notice you're rather in pure Sean

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Speaker 3: Davis fashion. You're very reserved tweet this morning railing against

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Speaker 3: the neo cons and I think that's a good place

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Speaker 3: to start. We were originally planning to talk about Fauci,

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Speaker 3: but when I saw this tweet, I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: we got to start there. So let me read the

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Speaker 3: few first few sentences here because it's a long tweet.

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Speaker 3: It is inarguable that the war in Iran is a

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Speaker 3: massive drag on Trump's numbers, as well as those of

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Speaker 3: the Republican Party heading into November. This is largely driven

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Speaker 3: by consistently high gas prices, which also drive up the

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Speaker 3: price of everything else. Trump obviously knows this, which is

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Speaker 3: why he's been searching for an off rent for months.

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Speaker 3: He knows he was elected to get gas prices down

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Speaker 3: in the economy and shape, which he did until the

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Speaker 3: war jammed up the gears. But a major problem for

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Speaker 3: Trump's presidency right now is that nearly everyone outside is

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Speaker 3: inner circles pushing for this war, and this includes the

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Speaker 3: entirety of the so called conservative pundits who never found

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Speaker 3: a war they weren't willing to make others fight and

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Speaker 3: pay for it. Also hates Trump and especially Vance, and

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Speaker 3: sees the war's negative effects on his popularity is the

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Speaker 3: secondary benefit of the war they've been salivating over four

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Speaker 3: for decades. To them, his declining numbers are a feature,

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Speaker 3: not a bug.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean by that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So let's go back a little bit in time

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Speaker 5: to twenty sixteen. There was a very infamous magazine article

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Speaker 5: and the cover set against Trump, and it was signed

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Speaker 5: by a bunch of so called conservative luminaries. And wouldn't

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Speaker 5: you know, almost to a person, every person who wrote

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Speaker 5: in that article against Trump, trying to make sure he

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Speaker 5: wasn't going to become president. These are the same people

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Speaker 5: whispering in his ear or shouting from behind microphones now

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Speaker 5: on television and podcast telling him no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 5: mister president. Actually, everyone loves this war. It's going really

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Speaker 5: awesome for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Also JD. Vance sucks.

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Speaker 5: We don't want him, but like, just keep doing the war,

652
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Speaker 5: mister president. It's like watching Grima Waringtongue give advice to

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Speaker 5: King Theod and watching how these neocons constantly try to

654
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Speaker 5: manipulate and distort what's going on to get Trump to

655
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Speaker 5: do something that's not gonna be good for him, not

656
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Speaker 5: gonna be good for America, but it's going to be

657
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Speaker 5: great for neocons who just want wars and who want

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Speaker 5: trumpsm in, MAGA in America First, or whatever you want

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Speaker 5: to call it, gone forever. And so this is kind

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Speaker 5: of just like my plea, mister President, understand that the

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Speaker 5: people trying to push you into expanding this war, getting

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Speaker 5: into a ground combat, these people do not have your

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Speaker 5: best interests at heart, and to the extent that the

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Speaker 5: advice they give you hurts you, they are fine with that.

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Speaker 3: It sort of reminds me of the Empire strikes back.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: You've got Trump leads this takeover of the GOP, a

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Speaker 3: hostile takeover the GOP, bends the entire movement and popular

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Speaker 3: will to his will. And now there's opportunity that they've

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Speaker 3: seen to scurry back in and get the president's ear

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Speaker 3: win the influence of the presidency and Trump two point zero.

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Speaker 3: And they really don't care if it hurts President Trump.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's the key point here is I

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Speaker 3: agree with you these voices. They really don't care what

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Speaker 3: happens to the coalition that won him the White House,

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Speaker 3: because in their mind, the conservative movem would be better

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Speaker 3: off if it didn't have Maggot to deal with. If

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Speaker 3: they could just get rid of these pesky populist America

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Speaker 3: First policies that have gotten in the way of so

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Speaker 3: much good K Street lobbying money, then they would be

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Speaker 3: better off.

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Speaker 2: And that's what they want.

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Speaker 3: And I mean, they would defend let's play Devil's advocate here, Sean.

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Speaker 3: They would defend their position as principal stands against totalitarian

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Speaker 3: regime and against the nuclear you know, armed Iran, which

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Speaker 3: is unacceptable. They would say, now you got to go

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Speaker 3: the full way where pot committed. What's your answer to

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Speaker 3: them is, are as you know what the right next

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Speaker 3: move is?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well so I get that. That's the other argument.

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Speaker 5: I wish people would just be honest about the political

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Speaker 5: consequences of that. Instead, what we're seeing is them trying

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Speaker 5: to have their cake and eat it too.

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Speaker 2: As we have to do that, Sean.

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Speaker 3: It's not about politics, it's about principle. It's about what's

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Speaker 3: right and what's wrong.

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Speaker 2: Sean. You can't right be politically driven, but it.

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Speaker 5: Is politically driven because the reality is that Iran in

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Speaker 5: any other sort of desphonic regime, whether it's Iran or

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Speaker 5: North Korea or whatever, they understand that their survival is

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Speaker 5: based on having nuclear weapons. That was the lesson of Goodafi,

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Speaker 5: who gave up his weapons program during the Iraq War

703
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Speaker 5: and who was then removed from power at the past

704
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Speaker 5: of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. At that moment, every

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Speaker 5: tyrant on Earth understood that if we have nuclear weapons,

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Speaker 5: that's the only thing that saves us. So you have

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Speaker 5: to acknowledge the long term reality of geopolitics, which is

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Speaker 5: that Iran is not trustworthy. It's a completely total mess

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Speaker 5: of a nation. They are going to try and get

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Speaker 5: nuclear weapons, regardless of what they say right now. And

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Speaker 5: so the best hedge, the best way to protect protect

712
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Speaker 5: against Iran or any other despotic regime having these nuclear weapons,

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Speaker 5: is to make sure you have a strong Republican in

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Speaker 5: power who they're terrified of. This is why they were

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Speaker 5: trying to build it under Obama. They were building capacity

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Speaker 5: back up under Biden. And what has happened with this

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Speaker 5: war right now is that by making it less likely

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Speaker 5: that Republicans hold Congress, by making it less likely that

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Speaker 5: a Republican can hold the White House in twenty eight

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Speaker 5: and thirty two. They are making it more likely that

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Speaker 5: an Iranian regime under the next Democrat president will be

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Speaker 5: able to build up and perhaps even deploy nuclear weapons.

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Speaker 5: And so I get the principled argument. But the problem

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Speaker 5: with so much of this interventionist neocon nonsense is they're

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Speaker 5: never thinking past the current move They think, Oh, I'm

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Speaker 5: going to move the pond here and I'm going to

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Speaker 5: take this piece, and that's it.

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Speaker 2: I've won.

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Speaker 5: Nothing that happens after this matters without understanding that, oh, crap,

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Speaker 5: I may have just left my king absolutely wide open.

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Speaker 5: There is a total lack of long term strategic thinking

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Speaker 5: here that I think is making the situation worse for

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Speaker 5: America over time. And the reason is that you cannot

734
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Speaker 5: escape politics. Who is in charge matters, and everything you're

735
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Speaker 5: doing right now is making it less likely that Republicans

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Speaker 5: will be in charge and in a position to stop

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Speaker 5: despotic and tyrannical regimes like those in I Ran Sun.

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Speaker 3: I think the interesting part of your analysis, though, as

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Speaker 3: you said, it's a feature, not a bug. Are you

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Speaker 3: alleging that they wanted to leave the king totally exposed?

741
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Speaker 3: That was the That was part of the move here,

742
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Speaker 3: so that they could then say, look, see Trump's policies

743
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Speaker 3: are really unpopular.

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Speaker 2: We got to go back to the old way.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I'm not implying to that or and suggesting that,

746
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Speaker 5: I'm going to straight up say it. They want Trump gone,

747
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Speaker 5: and that's part of twenty twenty six. Is a lot

748
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Speaker 5: of base of this opposition is actually in the Republican Senate.

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Speaker 5: You have people there who are sick of Trump. They

750
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Speaker 5: want him gone. They want them mag to fever to

751
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Speaker 5: break so they can take back over and be in

752
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Speaker 5: charge again and get us people like Mitt Romney or

753
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Speaker 5: John McCain running for president again. They want to go

754
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Speaker 5: back to being a party of beautiful losers. And so

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Speaker 5: a lot of what's happening now is about setting the

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Speaker 5: stage for twenty six and then setting the stage for

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Speaker 5: twenty eight. They want MAGA and America First and trump

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Speaker 5: Ism gone so they can take the party back over again.

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Speaker 3: I hate to say, but you're one hundred percent right.

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Speaker 3: You're one hundred percent right, and that I mean I

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Speaker 3: grant that they want to deal with Iran.

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Speaker 2: The Hawks want to deal with Iran.

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Speaker 3: They want to take down the regime but they don't

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Speaker 3: care what it costs. They don't care at all what

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Speaker 3: it costs. They don't They weren't part of building this coalition.

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Speaker 3: They didn't have sleepless nights knocking doors and making the argument,

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Speaker 3: or in Charlie's case, visiting dozens and dozens of college

768
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Speaker 3: campuses and all the videos and the billions of views

769
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Speaker 3: trying to pitch this to young people and to this

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Speaker 3: new coalition that we build, so they have no skin

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Speaker 3: in the game. If it falls apart, they just get

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Speaker 3: to go back to the old way, and that's really depressing.

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Speaker 3: book Regime Change, And I asked him, I said, you know,

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Speaker 3: was it Trump's idea to move towards peace? And he

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Speaker 3: said absolutely. JD was doing the president's bidding there and

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Speaker 3: he gets it for political reasons. As you said, what

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Speaker 3: is your advice to this admin right now? What needs

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Speaker 3: to be focused?

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Speaker 2: Number one? And number two? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: So I think the first focus needs you need a

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Speaker 5: piece deal and you need to get the US out

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Speaker 5: of there, and the thing that is complicating that is

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Speaker 5: the economic situation in the Strait there. There's so much

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Speaker 5: oil that moves through there, but the reality is that

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Speaker 5: most of that oil, and I understand that we have

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Speaker 5: a global oil market and spot prices and all that,

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Speaker 5: the bulk of the oil there is not going to

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Speaker 5: the UA, It's going to Europe. And so I think

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Speaker 5: the solution here actually has to deal with getting Europe

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Speaker 5: to take charge of its own energy and take charge

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Speaker 5: of its own security situation. America has been the world

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Speaker 5: policeman for way too long, whether it's doing nuke policing,

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Speaker 5: or whether it's having to put bases all over Europe,

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Speaker 5: or whether it's going to Iraq, or whether it's doing

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Speaker 5: what it did in Syria or Libya. America can't handle

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Speaker 5: it anymore. We're stretched too thin and it is long

822
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Speaker 5: past time for Europe to take ownership of its own future. Now,

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Speaker 5: whether that means Europe taking military control of the Straits,

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Speaker 5: I don't know. Maybe it is in massive a rapid

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Speaker 5: investment of pipelines along so you can make the straight

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Speaker 5: no longer necessary. But to me, it is largely a

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Speaker 5: European problem, which it was when we first went in

828
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Speaker 5: at the beginning of the second term to Yemen and

829
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Speaker 5: started dealing with the Hoho Thi's there because they were

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Speaker 5: attacking ships and all that making things difficult. The energy

831
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Speaker 5: problem there is actually a European problem, and if we

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Speaker 5: want to deal with this situation we're having with spot prices,

833
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Speaker 5: we need to rapidly expand energy extraction in the US.

834
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Speaker 5: We have more than we need here to support us,

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Speaker 5: and we should probably be exporting a whole lot less energy,

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Speaker 5: whether it's a liquid naturalized natural gas or oil. But

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Speaker 5: this idea that we remain completely dependent because of the

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Speaker 5: interconnectedness of global markets on the Middle East, that is

839
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Speaker 5: a major major problem. It is a massive weak link

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Speaker 5: in the chain that simply doesn't need to be there.

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Speaker 5: So I think that's the law term solution for this.

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Speaker 3: It strikes me as something where we could put together

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Speaker 3: a coalition to blockade the straight keep the pressure on,

844
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Speaker 3: if that's what we need to do with European allies.

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Speaker 3: While you said we just do that for a couple

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Speaker 3: of years while these pipelines get built, and we could,

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Speaker 3: we could exist in the detent and gas prices would

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Speaker 3: come down, and I mean it would. Maybe it's not

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Speaker 3: the ideal solution but at least it would get rid

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Speaker 3: of that choke point through the Strait, and we could

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Speaker 3: We could probably do that for a couple of years

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Speaker 3: without huge, huge lift. But you got to make sure

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Speaker 3: that Europe, you know, pays their fair share. And it

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Speaker 3: is it does strike me as a little bit like

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Speaker 3: we break it, you buy it. But nevertheless, the fact

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Speaker 3: of the matter is real politic, is that it does

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Speaker 3: affect them way more than it does us. Sean, I

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Speaker 3: want to pivot really quickly to Anthony Fauci, because I

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Speaker 3: just I've been waiting for this all day. We did

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Speaker 3: a whole rundown of how he actually slow walked the vaccine,

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Speaker 3: and it obviously got approved six days after the election.

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Speaker 3: They Fauci was very aware of the politics there. But

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Speaker 3: in general, what do you make of the Fauci diaries.

864
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Speaker 3: He's been pardoned by Joe Biden's auto pen. I don't

865
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 3: know what the options on the table are, But what

866
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 3: has been the biggest revelation for you when it comes

867
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Speaker 3: to these.

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Speaker 5: I will admit that I was wrong about Anthony Fauci,

869
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 5: and the biggest revelation to me is that he is

870
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 5: a much much bigger demon, a far more narcissistic, nefarious

871
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 5: presence in government than even I assumed. And I was

872
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 5: calling for that guy to be fired in April and

873
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 5: May of twenty twenty. So I'm actually shocked, as cynical

874
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 5: as I am. I'm shocked that he somehow comes off

875
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 5: even more megelo maniacal and more narcissistic in his diary

876
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Speaker 5: than I ever assumed.

877
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 3: You know, there was a one of his diary entries

878
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 3: dating back to twenty thirteen somebody at the CDC had

879
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 3: blocked him from doing a Wolf Blitzer interview on CNN,

880
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 3: and he lost it.

881
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 2: He was like, this is terrible. I don't know what's

882
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 2: going on.

883
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 3: They're worried that I'm a rock star, that I'm taking

884
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 3: away the limelight from them. I mean, and even with

885
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 3: his descriptions of his relationship with President Trump, He's like,

886
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 3: President Trump seems quite fond of me, even though I'm

887
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 3: stealing the limelight from him. This man is you use

888
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 3: the word narcissist. That is actually a very very fair

889
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 3: description of him. And the way he was fawning over

890
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 3: his own press clippings and the love affair, and he's

891
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 3: talking about how he's the most recognizable and famous man

892
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 3: on the planet. I mean this, this is a six

893
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 3: sick deal with this man who ultimately cost probably cost

894
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Speaker 3: President Trump the twenty twenty election. Genuinely, I don't think

895
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 3: that's overstating it. There was many factors at play, many

896
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 3: you know, deep state actors contributed to that, certainly, but

897
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Speaker 3: he with the prominence of the COVID story in twenty twenty,

898
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 3: I think that case is very fair. What do you

899
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 3: make about what we can do about it now with

900
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 3: this pardon? Is there anything that can I mean ram

901
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 3: Paul saying if he lies in front of Congress again

902
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 3: he's not covered by the pardon, okay, but I guess

903
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 3: short of that, or is he just off the hook?

904
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Speaker 2: Is this guy gonna skate?

905
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Speaker 5: I don't think he's off the hook at all. The

906
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 5: question is are there any red state attorney's general or

907
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 5: prosecutors who are willing to hold him account to account

908
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 5: for the crimes he did. And again, the Democrats set

909
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,479
Speaker 5: the playbook here. It wasn't enough when they went after

910
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 5: Trump for J six to do it in federal courts.

911
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 5: They also had their people in Georgia in Arizona go

912
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 5: after anyone who is involved. And so I think the

913
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 5: solution for Anthony Fauci here is I guarantee you he

914
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 5: committed some kind of crime or multiple crimes or conspiracies

915
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 5: across multiple states that we have state attorneys general or

916
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,919
Speaker 5: prosecutors who can go after him for So I don't

917
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Speaker 5: know if it's James Uthmyer and Florida, you know, maybe

918
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 5: it's a prosecutor in Tennessee or Texas or Missouri. I

919
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 5: guarantee you he has legal liability in various states, and

920
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 5: I don't think we have to wait for him to

921
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 5: perjure himself before ram Paldemar. I think there are lots

922
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 5: of avenues for state prosecutors and attorneys general to go

923
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 5: after him for what he did. Demand a psychopath responsible

924
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 5: for the deaths of million, who is eating dinner with

925
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 5: Jake Tapper while he made you watch your loved ones

926
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 5: die alone in hospitals.

927
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Speaker 3: Well, said Sean Davis from the Federalists. God bless you man,

928
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Speaker 3: Talk to you soon, Thank you, sir. I had the

929
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Speaker 3: honor of a lifetime to call Charlie a friend. And

930
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 3: what I remember most wasn't just what people saw on stage.

931
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Speaker 3: It was what was behind the scenes. That was an

932
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,760
Speaker 3: unwavering commitment to his faith, his love for his family,

933
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 3: and his genuine desire to encourage others to live with

934
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 3: courage and conviction. Charlie believed that following Christ wasn't something

935
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 3: you compartmentalize.

936
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Speaker 2: He didn't put it in a box. He lived it

937
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:19,280
Speaker 2: out loud.

938
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Speaker 3: It shaped how he lived, how he served, how he

939
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 3: treated people every single day. Charlie Kirk American Martyr captures

940
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 3: that heart. This documentary isn't just simply about remembering Charlie.

941
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 3: It's an invitation for each of us to ask what

942
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 3: kind of legacy we're building and whether we're willing to

943
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 3: stand firm in our own faith when it's tested. I

944
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 3: hope that you'll watch it with your family and have

945
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 3: those conversations together. Go to angel dot com slash kirk.

946
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Speaker 3: That's angel dot com slash kirk, become an Angel Guild member,

947
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Speaker 3: watch Charlie Kirk American Martyr, and help bring more stories

948
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Speaker 3: of faith, courage and conviction to audiences around the world.

949
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Speaker 3: All right, joining us now is is Chloe Cole, one

950
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 3: of our favorite guests on the show.

951
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Speaker 2: Charlie used to always love having Chloe on.

952
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 3: She's a de transitioner and an advocate for children and

953
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 3: for families.

954
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 2: She's amazing.

955
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 3: She speaks at our events all the time because it's

956
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 3: college campuses and gets into a bunch of trouble with

957
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 3: crazy left wing lunatics and we love her for it.

958
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 2: Chloe, welcome back to the show.

959
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 4: It's good to see you, Andrew, great to see you.

960
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, of course. And you just had

961
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Speaker 2: a birthday, right, Yes.

962
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Speaker 6: It was actually twenty yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's twenty two. Well I was curious about it

964
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 3: because I think your Twitter still says twenty one, so

965
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 3: you just got to update that. But uh, that's a

966
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 3: good reminder exactly.

967
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Speaker 2: So happy birthday.

968
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Speaker 3: And I thought of you because there's this crazy story

969
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,240
Speaker 3: out of Minnesota, which, of course Minnesota has turned into

970
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 3: ground zero for every woke, just ridiculous policy you could imagine.

971
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 3: And it's called my gender dolls. So these researchers, researchers,

972
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 3: there's they're activists with a pah next to their name.

973
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,479
Speaker 3: At the University of Minnesota, they have been developing these

974
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 3: trans identify trans doll I don't know what even call

975
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 3: them gender confused dolls. Maybe that's a better way to

976
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 3: put it. I'll just play the clip and we'll go

977
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Speaker 3: from there.

978
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Speaker 2: Sat.

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Speaker 7: Twelve, and I'm excited to talk to you about a

980
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 7: project we've been working on at the National Center for

981
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Speaker 7: Gender Spectrum Health called My Gender Dolls. These dolls were

982
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Speaker 7: designed by transgender and gender diverse artists. They are intended

983
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 7: to be a therapeutic tool for transgender and gender diverse

984
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 7: kids to explore how they see themselves or how they'd

985
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 7: like to see themselves in terms of gender identity and

986
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Speaker 7: gender expression. Along with the choice of bodies that My

987
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 7: Gender Dolls also include genitals. This is important because kids

988
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 7: can learn that all gender identities and gender expressions are

989
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 7: valid no matter how your body looks. There are lots

990
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 7: of different ways to be a girl, a boy, or

991
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Speaker 7: anywhere along a gender spectrum.

992
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 3: All right, Chloe, So as somebody that has gone through

993
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 3: this process and come out the other side and now

994
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,760
Speaker 3: advocates against it, how.

995
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Speaker 2: Damaging is it?

996
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 3: These are apparently for four to ten year olds. They're

997
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 3: designed for four year olds. How damaging is it to

998
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 3: a child's psyche to be even talking about their gender

999
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 3: at four years old?

1000
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Speaker 6: I mean, this is something that is bringing a lot

1001
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,760
Speaker 6: of disgust, a lot of shock to a lot of people.

1002
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 6: Rightfully so, because anybody who's saying will recognize that this

1003
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 6: is a violation of children's innocence to lie to them

1004
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 6: about human design, about the way that God made us,

1005
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 6: and then to tell them that they were born in

1006
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 6: the wrong body. And the only way they can fix

1007
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 6: that is by going through what basically amounts to medical experimentation.

1008
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 6: And as somebody who once was part of the transgender

1009
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 6: community myself and went through that childhood abuse under the

1010
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 6: guise of gender affirming care, I know exactly why they

1011
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 6: are targeting children so hard. This is I mean, for one,

1012
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 6: it's an ideology of people who are I mean, the

1013
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 6: most prominent ideologues are people who are unable to reproduce

1014
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 6: them themselves because they've taken upon these treatments. Some of

1015
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 6: them were young. And so if they can't reproduce, if

1016
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 6: they can't have children of their own to push this

1017
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 6: ideology onto, they're going to target the children of the

1018
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 6: people who are healthy and are able to have kids

1019
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 6: of their own. And what better way to cheat children

1020
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 6: and doctrinate them through the way that they know how

1021
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 6: to learn best, which is through play, through the use

1022
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 6: of adults, and one of the core tenets of transgender

1023
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 6: ideology is that this is an innate condition that transgender

1024
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 6: people cannot help being the way that they are, that

1025
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 6: it's not just mental health issue, and that the earlier

1026
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 6: you catch somebody in attempt to change their sex the better.

1027
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:37,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's I mean, I think that point can't

1028
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 3: be underscored enough. That these are children that don't know

1029
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 3: that the tooth Fairy isn't real, or that the Easter

1030
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:49,479
Speaker 3: Bunny isn't real, and they are being basically handed over

1031
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 3: a grooming tool that tells them that their body is wrong,

1032
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 3: that God made them in the wrong body, and that

1033
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 3: it's okay if they want to be a girl and

1034
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 3: they're boy or or vice versa. That is grooming behavior.

1035
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 3: That is predatory behavior. And what makes it all the

1036
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 3: more obscene to me is that these are researchers who

1037
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 3: are receiving tax payer funded grants to advance something that

1038
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 3: is this abusive and harmful to little kids, and they're

1039
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 3: dressing it up as if they say, what do they say,

1040
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 3: we're making gender fun. Now you're making it sick, and

1041
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 3: you're actually abusing little kids.

1042
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 2: I have I can't say that enough.

1043
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 3: That these kids are not in any position to be

1044
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 3: learning or talking about this stuff. They should be having

1045
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 3: fun and playing outside and touching grass. This is where

1046
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 3: it gets even more nefarious.

1047
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Speaker 2: Though.

1048
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Speaker 3: Tim Waltz has a role to play in this. He's

1049
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 3: famously pushed pro transgender policies in Minnesota, but he was

1050
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 3: bestowed the same institute. He was bestowed with the institute's

1051
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 3: inaugural Distinguished se Sexual Engender Health Champion Award in twenty

1052
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 3: twenty three, a title they created just for him. We've

1053
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 3: got a picture of him with that accepting the reward

1054
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 3: one seventy nine. You can see this is him posing

1055
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Speaker 3: for an award from these people. And by the way,

1056
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 3: one of the people that is the creators of this

1057
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Speaker 3: doll is pictured in that, and that would be Nick Rider,

1058
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 3: who is a PhD, LP and LP of my gender doll.

1059
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Speaker 3: So they're trying to monetize this now. And if you

1060
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 3: look at this person, I guess it's a they them

1061
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 3: their bio. It's really really sick. So this is a

1062
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 3: sociologist with psychologist rather at the Eli Coleman Institute for

1063
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 3: Sexual and Gender Health, and this their professional interests are

1064
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 3: in areas of intersectionality, improving very improving various health disparities,

1065
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 3: sexual health and pleasure, which is ironic because a lot

1066
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 3: of kids get this procedure done or transfer surgeries, they

1067
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 3: can no longer experience sexual pleasure when they're older. Decolonizing

1068
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 3: healing justice, whatever that means, systems change in social justice advocacy. Okay,

1069
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 3: so this is one of the inventors of this. That

1070
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 3: is the description of an activist who is cloaked in

1071
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 3: language of academia and goes by they them their's pronouns chloe.

1072
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Speaker 3: In your experience, how much of the science around this

1073
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,919
Speaker 3: is basically just activism. It's a warped ideology. I mean,

1074
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Speaker 3: how many of the people that you've seen that advocate

1075
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 3: advocate for this stuff have totally perverse personal lives and

1076
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 3: weird fixations, and they cloak it in this academic language.

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Speaker 6: I think on every single level, physically, emotionally, psychologically, to

1078
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Speaker 6: do this to any child, to do this to anybody

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Speaker 6: who is confused about their sex, and to refuse to

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Speaker 6: get them proper counsel and instead push them down this

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01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 6: lifelong route of confusion and experimentation, that is abuse under

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01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 6: the guise of activism, activism and love. For these people,

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Speaker 6: I find it incredibly insulting that they're using these terms

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01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 6: like making gender identity fun, because realizing that you regret

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01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 6: every single part of the last few years of your life,

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01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 6: that you've lost your fertility, that you've lost parts of

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01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 6: your sexuality and your identity for life is not fun.

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Speaker 6: It's something that I and thousands of other children are

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Speaker 6: going to have to grapple with for the rest of

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Speaker 6: our lives.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned that they cloak it in this language like

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01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 3: they love you, they care, they're the ones that really

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01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 3: care about you. And I've noticed in life that so

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01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 3: often the predators are the ones that use that language,

1095
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 3: the con artists, the scam artists, the snake oil salesman's,

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01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 3: they're the ones that will claim that they are your

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01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 3: best friend, that they are here for you to help

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Speaker 3: you in your personal experience. Is that the way they

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01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 3: talk to you, that it was close and concern for

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Speaker 3: your well being.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they use all of these rosy terms like gender

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01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 6: affirming care, pop surgery, bottom surgery, loving people for who

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01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 6: they truly are in order to rope you in. That's

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01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 6: how they convince people into this in the first place.

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Speaker 6: That's how they get people like my parents who are

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01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 6: well meaning to allow their children to do things that

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01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 6: go against their very instincts by telling them your child

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01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 6: literally cannot live without this. This is who they are

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01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 6: and they cannot change that. And the longer that you

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01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 6: go without allowing them to be who they truly are,

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01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 6: the more likely you are pushing them into suicide. And

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Speaker 6: that is exactly why we have to investigate these clinics,

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01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 6: these activists who are pushing this on our children, and

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01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 6: make sure that the doctors who do this are all

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Speaker 6: held to account, and make sure through legislation and culturally

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Speaker 6: this never happens to any child ever again in the

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Speaker 6: United States.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that point you just made where they emotionally manipulate

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01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 3: parents by holding out the specter of your child's going

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Speaker 3: to commit suicide if you don't do X, Y and Z,

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01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 3: if you don't literally chop off their genitalia, or if

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01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 3: you don't you know, chop off the breasts, whatever it is.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I know that it's extraordinarily traumatic, probably still

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01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 3: to even think about. But you know, from your parents'

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01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 3: perspective thirty seconds, what when they talk now about that,

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01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 3: what are they telling you? Like, what was that like

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01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 3: for them to be a parent in that position.

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Speaker 6: They tell me all the time that they wish the

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01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 6: doctors told them that we had another option, that we

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01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 6: didn't have to do this, and that they didn't lie

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01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 6: to them the way that they did. But they are

1132
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 6: very grateful that not only have they been able to

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01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 6: come out of it, but also to be able to

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01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 6: use our story as a family to make sure that

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Speaker 6: other families do not have to go through what we did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I just can't. I can't imagine.

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Speaker 3: And God bless your parents too, because it's so obvious

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01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 3: and the way you talk about them that you care

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01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 3: about them and that they care about you, and that

1140
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 3: they were just trying their best. And there's so many

1141
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 3: parents out there that have been caught in this that

1142
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 3: probably just thought they were trying their best. I mean

1143
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 3: if a doctor comes to you, somebody you're supposed to trust,

1144
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 3: and they say your kid's gonna commit suicide if you

1145
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 3: don't do this, I mean what. You just can't imagine

1146
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 3: the excruciating, terrible choices in front of parents like that.

1147
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 3: I just gotta I gotta give a few more details

1148
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 3: on this story because it's so bizarre. The paper dolls

1149
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 3: the gender with gender neutral names like Sam Rory, Avery

1150
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 3: and Parker have removable internal and external genitalia, along with

1151
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 3: more than one hundred interchangeable pieces of clothing, accessories, and hairstyle.

1152
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 3: Think of it like a trans mister and Missus potato head.

1153
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 3: The goal is for kids to quote learn about the

1154
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 3: different options that exist for who they can be end quote.

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01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 3: According to a therapist at the University of Minnesota who's

1156
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 3: spent over half a decade developing the project, funded by

1157
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 3: their government, and now they're monetizing it. So now they're

1158
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 3: sending it to schools, Chloe, Yep. They see like you

1159
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 3: can be anything, You can be any variation of the

1160
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 3: six to six hundred different sex permutations that these people

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01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 3: believe in, and it's all good. We're making we're making

1162
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 3: gender fun. It will be made available to teachers, school counselors,

1163
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 3: pediatrician and mental health providers. According to a website for

1164
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 3: My Gender Dolls Okay and by the way, their website

1165
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 3: features an image of a boy doll wearing a dress

1166
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 3: and others in various states of sexual identity confusion. There

1167
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 3: they are broadcasting showcasing their new product to the marketplace.

1168
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 3: It's just so wrong, it's so inappropriate and it's so

1169
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 3: gross and I just I can't get over the fact

1170
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 3: that we're still dealing with this. And this is where

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01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 3: my question leads. Chloe, So we thought President Trump one,

1172
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 3: Woke is dead. We like to stay on the show.

1173
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 3: Woke is not dead. It's just dormant or it's still

1174
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 3: very active in these blue enclaves. Give us an update

1175
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 3: across the country. Where are we seeing wins and where

1176
01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 3: is there's still a lot of work left to do.

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01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 6: Credibly frustrated when whenever I hear people say like, oh,

1178
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 6: Woke is dead. We've completely defeated all the demons and

1179
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 6: Trump has won. And in many aspects, yes, we've won.

1180
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 6: We've had twenty six states over the years past legislation

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01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 6: to protect children from this in some form. We're having

1182
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 6: federal legislation like the Chloe Cole Act being proposed that

1183
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 6: recently passed to committee actually and will seek to not

1184
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 6: just protect a select few children in a few different states,

1185
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 6: but federally, all across the board, through all fifty states,

1186
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 6: ban this treatment, man this abuse for kids, and make

1187
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 6: sure that every kid who's already been harmed gets a

1188
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 6: private right to action. And we have a lot of

1189
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 6: motion moving in the culture as well as well as

1190
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 6: a lot of investigations. But gender transition for children has

1191
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 6: not gone away.

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Speaker 4: These clinics and.

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01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 6: These ideologues have only found better ways of hiding it

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01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 6: from us.

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01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 3: Give us some examples. How are they hiding it from us?

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01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 3: Because we see this with DEI for example, the schools

1197
01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 3: say they got rid of DEI, but they just changed

1198
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 3: the name, and that's how they skirt responsibility and accountability.

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01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 3: What are they doing on this right these.

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01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 6: A lot of these schools will have policy changes that

1201
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 6: are as simple as like changing the name of a

1202
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 6: program so that they can just get away with it.

1203
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 6: And we have recorded cases of hospitals like I believe

1204
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 6: Texas Children's committing fraud, basically committing insurance fraud by saying

1205
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 6: that these children don't have a mental health issue, that

1206
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 6: they have an atocrine issue that is otherwise unspecified, in

1207
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 6: order to continue the abuse and the medical experimentation on them.

1208
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 6: But they're also are cases like these so called gender dolls,

1209
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 6: where they are doing it out of the open, loud

1210
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 6: and proud because they know they can, because they're being

1211
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 6: protected by the state, because they have governors like Tim

1212
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 6: Waltz who are actively pushing for this, and for as

1213
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 6: long as this is legal anywhere in the States, as

1214
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 6: long as it's encouraged anywhere by anybody in power, no

1215
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 6: child in the US is going to be safe until

1216
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 6: we take the industry down ourselves.

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Speaker 2: I want to throw up.

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01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 3: This is from my gender dolls as a new play

1219
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 3: based therapeutic approach for trans and gender diverse children, and

1220
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 3: the clinicians who support them make we make gender fun,

1221
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 3: our award winning dolls. I wonder who gave them an award,

1222
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 3: maybe themselves and service our community informed, research driven, culturally attuned,

1223
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 3: and grounded in gender affirming clinical practice. And this is

1224
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 3: the part that really caught me off guard. Join the

1225
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 3: weight list. They have a weight list for this. So

1226
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 3: when we're talking about is woke dead, is some of

1227
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 3: this gender insanity dead?

1228
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 2: No?

1229
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 3: No, no, there's a whole army of people that are

1230
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 3: involved with your children that completely support this, and they're

1231
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 3: joining a weight list to get these trans dolls in

1232
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 3: your kid's classroom. Like this has not gone away. This

1233
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 3: needs to be illegal, And the question then becomes, how

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01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 3: do we best achieve that ain't? And now tell us

1235
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 3: more about your the Chloe Cole Act who's sponsoring it,

1236
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 3: and what would it achieve.

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01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 6: So the Chloeal Act was implemented by was written by

1238
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 6: Representative Bob Onder of Missouri, and it's as I said earlier,

1239
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 6: it seeks to ban this treatment across all fifty states

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01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:18,680
Speaker 6: in all, in all territories of the US surgery is.

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01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:20,680
Speaker 2: It surgery in therapeutics or what?

1242
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 7: Is?

1243
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 3: It?

1244
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 6: Banned every single aspect of the transition process, from the

1245
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 6: the medical the affirmation, the use of surgeries, the use

1246
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:35,640
Speaker 6: of hormone treatments and blockers. And it makes it so

1247
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 6: that I believe there is about a twenty or so

1248
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 6: year period after the minor terms eighteen or after they

1249
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,640
Speaker 6: after they first discovered that they regretless and want to

1250
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:46,720
Speaker 6: do transition and want to see damages for what they've

1251
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 6: been through, which is something that is very desperately needed

1252
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:52,599
Speaker 6: right now because I have many friends who have cases

1253
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 6: of their own. I'm currently in a lawsuit of my

1254
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 6: own right now with Kaiser, and many of these cases

1255
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,879
Speaker 6: are being thrown out on the basis of statute limitation,

1256
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 6: or people aren't even able to sew or get justice

1257
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 6: for things that they went through at very tent or

1258
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,680
Speaker 6: ages because in many states, the statute of limitations for

1259
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 6: treatments in hospitals is as little as two three years,

1260
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 6: and that is not nearly enough when we are abusing

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01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 6: children and confusing them for life.

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01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that very convenient for them?

1263
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 3: So they get a young kid ten twelve years old,

1264
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 3: maybe four in this case, they medically mutilate them, they

1265
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 3: psychologically abuse them, and brainwash them, and then it takes

1266
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 3: a little while, understandably in any of these cases, to

1267
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:37,599
Speaker 3: figure out what has been done to them, that they

1268
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:42,719
Speaker 3: have been victimized by these absolute monsters that call themselves

1269
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 3: PhDs and researchers and clinical psychologists or whatever, and then they.

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Speaker 2: Get off scott free.

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01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:53,520
Speaker 3: Because it takes young people that like yourself that detransition

1272
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 3: a certain amount of time to figure that out and

1273
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 3: to come out of that. Because when you go, when

1274
01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 3: you spend so much of your formative years as a child,

1275
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 3: going down a road to hell, it takes you a

1276
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 3: little while to turn it around and figure things out.

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01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 2: So I totally support that.

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01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,759
Speaker 3: By the way, I think that's brilliant extending the statute

1279
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 3: of limitations on these lawsuits, because I genuinely believe that

1280
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 3: the way you really take these people out is you

1281
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:20,639
Speaker 3: sue them into oblivion. If you start getting lawsuits from

1282
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 3: all these kids speaking up and you get a whole

1283
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 3: infrastructure around that, you will stop them in their tracks.

1284
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 3: They will not want the financial liabilities that come with

1285
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,639
Speaker 3: it. It would just be simply too risky. So I love

1286
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 3: that approach and I'm glad you're pursuing it. Chloe Cole

1287
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:40,560
Speaker 3: detransitioner and advocate and a brave voice on college campuses,

1288
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 3: on social media, and the media in general. Thank you, Chloe,

1289
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 3: You're the best. It's so great to see you in

1290
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 3: Happy birthday.

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01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 6: Thank you so much for having me again.

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01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 5: For more on many of these stories and news you

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