WEBVTT - Will Iran make a deal?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing you a live in relief Factor at Studio West.

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<v Speaker 1>I had just wrapped up talking to Aviv Reddi Gore.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to play it for you until the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the program because I do a little postop

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<v Speaker 1>on it. But we did have one exchange at the

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<v Speaker 1>end which I want to leave. We're talking about Iran

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<v Speaker 1>and what President Trump will do or not do. I said,

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<v Speaker 1>is there anything that can President Trump follow the level

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<v Speaker 1>of President Obama? In your eyes? If he doesn't do anything?

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<v Speaker 1>And here's what Aviv had to say about that. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>back with Aviv Reddick Gore. Aviv, what were you going

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<v Speaker 1>to say about President Obama?

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<v Speaker 2>You asked me, if President Trump doesn't boond you, what

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<v Speaker 2>happens can be compared to President Obama. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>be very clear about this, and I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>step into American politics, and I don't know half the

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<v Speaker 2>topics that are setting American politics on fire.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to say, just in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Context of the irong issue, nothing President Trump Trump does

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<v Speaker 2>with Iroan will ever bring him down to the level

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<v Speaker 2>of the disaster that the j CPI represented.

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<v Speaker 3>The fact that the j CPI said that they can.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, inspectors can always go anywhere, but then there

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<v Speaker 2>was a twenty four hour period where they would have

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<v Speaker 2>to have a consultation over whether they would go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that it didn't concern the ballistic missile program,

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that it released fifty to one hundred billion

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<v Speaker 2>dollars for the IRGC, which we're invested in it because

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<v Speaker 2>Bella just to the signing bonus. The fact that most

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<v Speaker 2>of the major provisions ended by now would have already

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<v Speaker 2>ended history continued ten years.

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<v Speaker 3>Fifteen years, is just kicking the can down the road.

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<v Speaker 2>That is not President Trump. President Trump has already caused

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<v Speaker 2>more damage Tofordo said, back to that program, more than

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<v Speaker 2>all the President Obama's deals ever could.

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<v Speaker 3>And so no, even if Trump, in my view, for example,

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<v Speaker 3>he hasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>But even if I decide that he screwed this up

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<v Speaker 2>and didn't do the right thing. He will still have

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<v Speaker 2>been much better on this issue than President Obama, who

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<v Speaker 2>has a lot to answer for. He has thirty seven

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<v Speaker 2>thousand Iranians to apologize.

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<v Speaker 1>Too, well said, and I will that's the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the interview. That was a little tack on to the interview,

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<v Speaker 1>but I wanted to start today's show. We'll play the

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<v Speaker 1>interview in our three today. But because we timed it

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<v Speaker 1>for that, we got a lot to do earlier than that,

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<v Speaker 1>beginning with what President Trump said on Air Force one

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<v Speaker 1>last night. But the big question today is what is

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump going to do via be Iran? And you'll

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<v Speaker 1>hear what I think throughout the course of the show

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<v Speaker 1>and when Aviv thinks an hour number three, but we'd

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<v Speaker 1>run out of time. We were in the promo part

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<v Speaker 1>of the broadcast, so I just tape that in order

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<v Speaker 1>so you could hear him. Compare President Trump and President

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<v Speaker 1>Obama and that last stinger, President Obama has thirty seven

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dead Airanians to apologize to. Is absolutely right, boy,

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<v Speaker 1>the JCPOA it was a nightmare now, President Trump on

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<v Speaker 1>Air Force one last night on Iran Cut number sixteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Help being a work where you're picking it right now.

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<v Speaker 4>For for money if you work or I.

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<v Speaker 5>Have madam spending on what you want to do.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, I certainly can't tell you that, but we

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<v Speaker 6>do have very being powerful ships and hitting of that

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<v Speaker 6>direct issue.

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<v Speaker 7>I can't tell you of the media, but I.

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<v Speaker 6>Hope they negotiate something that's accepted.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of big, powerful ships heading that way. But

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<v Speaker 1>I can't tell you what they're going to do. This

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<v Speaker 1>morning he talked to Dan Scavina, who's back on his podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>Cut number seventeen.

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<v Speaker 8>The rig estate, but we just stopped that and what

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<v Speaker 8>we did with it, and don't forget I got Solimani,

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<v Speaker 8>I got al bag Daddy in my first term. Two

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<v Speaker 8>of the the worst ever, the worst seven, the biggest

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<v Speaker 8>of the worst. One was the founder of vices.

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<v Speaker 9>He was rebuilding it.

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<v Speaker 8>I took him book.

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<v Speaker 1>And the other one was the.

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<v Speaker 8>Father of the roadside mom and the lead of Let

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<v Speaker 8>me tell if he lived, he was a leader, the

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<v Speaker 8>military leader of Ran. If he lived, that attack that

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<v Speaker 8>we made on Iran would.

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<v Speaker 4>Not have been the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a great general and they don't have that name.

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<v Speaker 1>He also went on to talk on our fourt one

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<v Speaker 1>about a number of different subjects. Let's play him right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Cut number three. As he's talking about protesters attacking federal agents.

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<v Speaker 3>Of protests.

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<v Speaker 10>What did you mean when you said people will suffer

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<v Speaker 10>an equal reader a possible.

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<v Speaker 6>If they do anything bad to our people, they will

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<v Speaker 6>be they will have to suffer.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 4>If they start.

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<v Speaker 6>Spitting in people's faces, watching our people, watching our soldiers

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<v Speaker 6>or patriots, they will get taken care of in at

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<v Speaker 6>least an equal way. They're not going to.

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<v Speaker 3>Do that, like you know, you see it the way

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<v Speaker 3>they treat our people.

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<v Speaker 6>And I said, you're allowed if somebody does that, you

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<v Speaker 6>can do something back. You know, going to stand there

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<v Speaker 6>and take it. If somebody spits in your face, that

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<v Speaker 6>will not be a pleasant thing for the person that's face.

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<v Speaker 6>We're not letting people spit in our soul, in his

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<v Speaker 6>face as they stand at attention.

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<v Speaker 3>And they're aren't allowed to do anything.

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<v Speaker 6>If they throw bricks at a car and you know,

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<v Speaker 6>one of our very expensive vehicles, they're going to be

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<v Speaker 6>met with.

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<v Speaker 5>Very very serious words. I believe him.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, spinning is an assault and battery.

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<v Speaker 1>So they have the right to take them into custody.

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<v Speaker 1>Cut number four on Air Force one, telling you about

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<v Speaker 1>China and Canada. I'm going to.

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<v Speaker 6>Canada's here, sir, that you talked about her that was

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<v Speaker 6>coming well, that was on the airplege.

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<v Speaker 3>You're talking about about the China deal of people.

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<v Speaker 6>Look, if they do a deal with China, yeah, they'll

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<v Speaker 6>do something very substantial because we can't look and have

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<v Speaker 6>a great relationship with China person achieve and we don't

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<v Speaker 6>want China to take over Canada. And if they make

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<v Speaker 6>the deal that he's looking to make, China will take

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<v Speaker 6>over Canada. And the first thing they're going to do

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<v Speaker 6>and ice hockey.

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<v Speaker 1>He does not want China to take over Canada. I

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<v Speaker 1>think even my Canadian friends agree with him on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Last night, last clip Cuba. Donald Trump talks about Cuba

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<v Speaker 1>on Air Force one last night, cut number six.

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<v Speaker 6>We're starting to talk to cub Yeah, we're starting. He

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<v Speaker 6>tells you if they need help, what a humanitarian basis

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<v Speaker 6>that we're starting to talk to Cuba.

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<v Speaker 3>I would look, if we get a lot.

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<v Speaker 6>Of people that live in our country treated very badly

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<v Speaker 6>by human and we want them to be They all

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<v Speaker 6>voted for me, and we want them to be treated well.

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<v Speaker 6>Would like to be able to have them go back

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<v Speaker 6>to vote to their country, which they haven't seen the

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<v Speaker 6>family they country for many, many decades. So we were

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<v Speaker 6>about I'll be able to work.

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on with Cube is that they're out of everything.

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<v Speaker 1>They have no energy, no economy, blackout. They're like Iran,

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<v Speaker 1>they're falling apart. Uh, we might have to push Iran,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't have to push Cuba. Cuba is falling apart now.

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<v Speaker 1>Former Secretary of State Mike BOMPEII was on Channel thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>News in Israel and had this to say about a

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<v Speaker 1>potential deal with Iran.

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<v Speaker 7>I've heard it talks about a deal or there's no chance.

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<v Speaker 3>I've dealt with this regime.

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<v Speaker 7>They may agree to something, but they've broken every deal

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<v Speaker 7>they've ever signed up for, including the superd deal we

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<v Speaker 7>got into under President Obama for the nuclear deal, right,

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<v Speaker 7>they were violating at the very day that was signed.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't see that that will actually create the opportunity

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<v Speaker 7>that I think creates prosperity and security.

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<v Speaker 11>Here in the region, and that'd be great for America too.

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<v Speaker 12>So you think that taking old circumstances United States need

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<v Speaker 12>So I talk to you ran again, We'll need.

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<v Speaker 3>To put more pressure on. There are many tools by

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<v Speaker 3>which one can do that.

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<v Speaker 7>But it cannot be the case that the Iranian people

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<v Speaker 7>who took all the risks that they took and went

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<v Speaker 7>to the streets to do something that was in America's

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<v Speaker 7>best interest as well. There's no way to get americasecurity

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<v Speaker 7>and keep our young men and women from having to

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<v Speaker 7>fight and die in this region so long as the

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<v Speaker 7>Ayatola is in charge.

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<v Speaker 12>So do you see a scenario whereas in the current situation,

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<v Speaker 12>the United States will not attack militarany.

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<v Speaker 7>Sure, sure, the Iranian people may rise up again and

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<v Speaker 7>there may be no need for such a thing, right.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, it's possible that someone in the besiege, some general,

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<v Speaker 7>some higher GC official will decide they're not going to

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<v Speaker 7>kill their cousins, They're not going to kill their family

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<v Speaker 7>members anymore. I mean, this is Iranians killing Iranians. We

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<v Speaker 7>all want peace, but we also know that you can't

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<v Speaker 7>have peace in this region so long as the Ayatola.

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<v Speaker 3>Is in charge.

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<v Speaker 1>And then General Jack Kane on Fox News with Gillian

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<v Speaker 1>Turner cut number fifteen from yesterday, Well, it is no.

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<v Speaker 4>Doubt about that I mean, listen, the history of our

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<v Speaker 4>presidents with this regime is really something. Seven of the presidents,

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<v Speaker 4>not counting President trumpet dealt with this regime. Three of

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<v Speaker 4>them did not retaliate after they killed scores of Americans.

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<v Speaker 4>Three presidents, two Republicans, one Democrat, All seven of them,

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<v Speaker 4>during their tenure let the Iranian regime grow and increase

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<v Speaker 4>in strength and also to destabilize the Middle East. Four

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<v Speaker 4>years Trump came in the first administration, killed the iconic

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<v Speaker 4>free you cost him Sola money, nobody else that touched him,

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<v Speaker 4>and he asked the briefer, why haven't we killed him before?

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<v Speaker 4>Now he's planning to kill more Americans? So because everybody

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<v Speaker 4>feared the consequences of that act. And now he's taken

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<v Speaker 4>down their nuclear program as well. This is the first

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<v Speaker 4>president that directly confronted the regime. Now he has the

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<v Speaker 4>opportunity to finish them, and I think you're going to

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<v Speaker 4>take that up.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe he didn't take that opportunity too. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know anything. People think I talked to the president. I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I talked to the President on air on the record.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't call me up and ask my advice, and

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't tell you if he did, but he doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>And people who talk about talking to the president usually

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<v Speaker 1>talking through their hat. So I like to be very

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<v Speaker 1>humble about that. I don't. I write columns that get

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<v Speaker 1>to him, and I get him back with scribbles on

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<v Speaker 1>him saying not so good, really good, that sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I think is going to happen is you've

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<v Speaker 1>got to get every I've posted this on my ex account.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got to give every NI aircraft battery, every thad,

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<v Speaker 1>every arrow, every patriot system in the Middle East he can,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he and Israel and maybe the UAE and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the Saudi Air Forces have to bomb Iran into

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<v Speaker 1>a regime change, maybe the military takes over. But they

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<v Speaker 1>got to get rid of the Itolis because those people

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<v Speaker 1>are fanatics and they just killed thirty seven thousand of

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<v Speaker 1>their own people. Stay by. I got lots coming up

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<v Speaker 1>right here on the uuite show, on a Ranch.

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<v Speaker 10>Free Leader today that that U hat could start a

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<v Speaker 10>regional war, giving you funks.

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<v Speaker 3>That boy wouldn't be sit she would to say that.

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<v Speaker 5>But we have the biggest worst offleships in the world.

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<v Speaker 6>Over there, very close a couple of days that hopefully

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<v Speaker 6>we'll make a deal.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't make a deal, then we'll.

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<v Speaker 3>Find out whether or not he was ready.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back, America, And here you are joined by doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Orrin, former Israeli Ambassador to the United States, head

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<v Speaker 1>of the Israeli Advocacy Group, Ambassador Orren, Welcome back. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't believe there's a deal to be had here because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't believe the IATOLA and the IRGC will give

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<v Speaker 1>up their missiles or their nukes. And how long do

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<v Speaker 1>you think it will take to get to that point?

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<v Speaker 11>Not too far, not too long.

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<v Speaker 13>Let's go back to last, oh, last February, when during

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<v Speaker 13>a visit of the Prime Minister mess Now to the

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<v Speaker 13>White House, President Trump announced that he would be opening

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<v Speaker 13>direct negotiations with the ir Adians and he gave me

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<v Speaker 13>a deal, basically said no en Richmond zero and Richmond,

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<v Speaker 13>the ir Adians sort of twisted.

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<v Speaker 11>His tail for a long time, and then they found out,

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<v Speaker 11>you can't do that with this president.

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<v Speaker 13>You maybe do that with some previous presidents, but not

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<v Speaker 13>with this one. And they've learned the hard way. The

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<v Speaker 13>question is have they internalized that lesson? Do they feel

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<v Speaker 13>they have the upper hand in this negotiation. And I'll

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<v Speaker 13>explain why. On one hand, you've got all these presumptive

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<v Speaker 13>allies of the United States, Saudi Arabia, Ua, Bahrain, Oman,

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<v Speaker 13>Turkey telling the United States, you know, don't do this,

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<v Speaker 13>don't get involved in what can spark a regional war,

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<v Speaker 13>just for that question being put to the to the

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<v Speaker 13>president of mar A Lago and even Israel. At some

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<v Speaker 13>point President Prime Minister n Now calling the President saying,

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<v Speaker 13>you know, wait, wait just a bit until you get

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<v Speaker 13>your forces built up in that region. But now is

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<v Speaker 13>not saying don't do it. He's just saying, do it.

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<v Speaker 11>When you can actually make an impact. That's a lot

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<v Speaker 11>of pressure on the president.

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<v Speaker 13>There's domestic pressures on the president as well, and the

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<v Speaker 13>need to build up those forces.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 13>I know the President has talked about a giant armada

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<v Speaker 13>in the Middle East, but right now there's one aircraft

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<v Speaker 13>carrier there, plus assortment of destroyers and bombers. But keep

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<v Speaker 13>in mind Biden has sent two aircraft carriers to them,

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<v Speaker 13>at least the fourth in the Eisenhower.

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<v Speaker 11>So you got one aircraft effort, the Abraham Lincoln. You

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<v Speaker 11>really need some more.

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<v Speaker 13>An aircraft carrier carries about I think about ninety planes,

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<v Speaker 13>about seventy of them are our attack plans. And that's

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<v Speaker 13>to take on a country of ninety million people with

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<v Speaker 13>an army of about one point five million people.

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<v Speaker 11>It's a hard it's a hard, hard pull at the

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<v Speaker 11>pull that that through.

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<v Speaker 13>So you have to build up those fourvices even more.

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<v Speaker 13>And you always have to be worried about the Sheffield factor.

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<v Speaker 13>Do you remember this, you were old enough together. Remember

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<v Speaker 13>the Falklands War nineteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, a lucky shot, lucky shot, a lucky shot.

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<v Speaker 13>They fired an Exo set, a French made ex Visil

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<v Speaker 13>that hits the HMS Sheffield and cause the largest damage

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<v Speaker 13>to a British warships in World War Two. You gotta

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<v Speaker 13>get missiles flying at American warships from the Hoodies, from

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<v Speaker 13>the Syrian and RAQI about rebels Assyrian Iraq from and

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<v Speaker 13>of course from Iran itself, which has a very large

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<v Speaker 13>drone and missile capability.

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<v Speaker 11>So if you go down that route of.

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<v Speaker 13>A military option, you got to make sure you have

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<v Speaker 13>that massive build up in the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 11>And from what I can gather here, it's not there yet.

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<v Speaker 1>What I read in the journal yesterday, and I'm using

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<v Speaker 1>open sources. Only I don't know anything. Is that all

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<v Speaker 1>the F fifteen's we can gather are there, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>good for the drones and some missiles. Our every FAD

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<v Speaker 1>battery we've got is on its way there or already there.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's to protect primarily Saudi Arabia and UAE, not Israel.

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<v Speaker 1>And that Mark Montgomery ed Mon Montgomery told me last

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<v Speaker 1>week he's going to bet his life that there's at

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<v Speaker 1>least one Boomer there with their tomahawk compliment of hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of Tomahawk. So if we send our B twos at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, we can simultaneous, even without the Israeli

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<v Speaker 1>Air Force, which I'm counting on, we can hit hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of targets at the same time repeatedly. If the Israeli

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<v Speaker 1>Air Force joins in, they're not going to get anything

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<v Speaker 1>off the ground. That's what I think when he said,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see if he's right. What how many he threatened

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<v Speaker 1>was a regional war. I don't think he can fight

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<v Speaker 1>a war on your back, can you.

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<v Speaker 13>I don't understand why they say regional war. Where does

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<v Speaker 13>region come into this. Who's going to join Iran at

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<v Speaker 13>this point? What friends do they have? In the world

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<v Speaker 13>truly enough, the Chinese, not the Russians. There's nobody in

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<v Speaker 13>the Middle East, so it's not a regional war. You're

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<v Speaker 13>going to have terrorist organizations like the booties, like the terrorists,

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<v Speaker 13>and Syria and Iraq firing missiles.

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<v Speaker 11>That is not a regional war.

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<v Speaker 13>And you know, for Israel perspective, we have to be

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<v Speaker 13>very careful of course, to the charge that we're trying

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<v Speaker 13>to push the United States into a war.

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<v Speaker 11>But Israel has an interest, and the interest has to

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<v Speaker 11>be stated is this.

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<v Speaker 13>It's not just eliminating Iran's nuclear program or eliminating its

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<v Speaker 13>its enrichment capabilities, but we need to eliminate the missile capabilities,

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<v Speaker 13>which are huge, and to stop grand support for terrorism

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<v Speaker 13>throughout the Middle East and indeed the entire world.

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<v Speaker 9>Entire world.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Britany says regional war, he means hitting Saudi Arabia,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think I don't think Israel isn't as much

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<v Speaker 1>is as vulnerable as Saudi Arabia as do you.

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<v Speaker 13>I do, And I think the President has to make

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<v Speaker 13>a call because Saudi Arabia is saying that it's not

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<v Speaker 13>going to let its airspace be used by American aircraft. Okay,

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<v Speaker 13>so I know it seems to me the deals you've

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<v Speaker 13>cut two ways. We'll defend you if you're willing to

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<v Speaker 13>support us. But that's a call I guess that the

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<v Speaker 13>White House has to make. It's a tough one. But

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<v Speaker 13>Israel will be there, and you're talking about a very

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<v Speaker 13>formidable air force that has succeeded in penetrating Iran's nuclear

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<v Speaker 13>air defenses again and again and again. The Isral the

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<v Speaker 13>air force, you'll recall, conducted literally hundreds of thousands of

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<v Speaker 13>mile sorties during the last war and we didn't lose

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<v Speaker 13>a single airplane. And the Iranians have to take that

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<v Speaker 13>into consideration. If we can hit the ballistic missile launchers.

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<v Speaker 13>Iran may have one thousand, five hundred very large ballistic missiles,

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<v Speaker 13>each with a warhead of about two hundred kilograms of TNT.

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<v Speaker 11>That's huge.

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<v Speaker 13>It takes down not just a building, a take down

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<v Speaker 13>a neighborhood. But they're going to have a limited number

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<v Speaker 13>of launchers. So if they don't launchers, those ballistic missiles

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<v Speaker 13>are worth nothing. Are on the ground. So if we

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<v Speaker 13>know who the launchers are and we can hit them

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<v Speaker 13>very very quickly, then Iran is literally literally a sitting duck.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, one question before the break. I'd like to hold

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<v Speaker 1>you over to ask you about Turkey after the break.

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<v Speaker 1>The question before the break has to do with how

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<v Speaker 1>much damage one or two of those ballistic missiles can

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<v Speaker 1>do to Israel. Can they get near the most sensitive

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<v Speaker 1>parts of Israel.

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<v Speaker 13>Well, the assumption here is that Iran during the last

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<v Speaker 13>war and last June fired mostly at military targets. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 13>they missed in his civilian targets, including two very near

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<v Speaker 13>my house, and at this time they would aim for

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<v Speaker 13>civilian targets.

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<v Speaker 11>And those missiles are so large.

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<v Speaker 13>A Jamas rockets Buller rocket carries between fifteen and twenty

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<v Speaker 13>kilograms of TATS. This is ten times as powerful. And

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<v Speaker 13>many of us, as you know, have safe rooms within

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<v Speaker 13>our house. Those rate rooms become almost ineffective in defending

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<v Speaker 13>us against those type of missiles because they take down,

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<v Speaker 13>as I said before, not just an apartment, They take

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<v Speaker 13>down a.

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<v Speaker 11>Building and even a name. They're huge, and so we

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<v Speaker 11>have to move.

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<v Speaker 13>Very very swiftly to interdict them, and particularly to destroy

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<v Speaker 13>those launchers.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I think the FADS have to get there.

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<v Speaker 1>The high altitude interceptors along with your arrow too. When

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<v Speaker 1>I come back, I'm going to ask doctor Oran about

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<v Speaker 1>what I talked with Vive reddy Gore about, which is Turkey.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay tuned, welcome back to me. I'm Hugh hewittt back

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<v Speaker 1>with doctor Michael Orran, Doctor Orran. Earlier today I talked

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<v Speaker 1>to Eve reddy Gore who had just interviewed doctor Dan Shifton,

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<v Speaker 1>who's probably a friend of yours as well, and they

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about Turkey and whether or not Turkey presented

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<v Speaker 1>a threat through a puppet state in Syria. Aviv seems

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<v Speaker 1>to think very much so, the good doctor not so much.

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<v Speaker 6>So.

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<v Speaker 1>What does doctor Michael Ran think?

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<v Speaker 13>And I deeply respect and admire both Dan and Aviv.

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<v Speaker 13>I'll take them middle line and that is yes, Turkish

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<v Speaker 13>influence will increase markedly in Syria.

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<v Speaker 11>You have a former al Qaeda leader there Al Shara,

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<v Speaker 11>who's going.

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<v Speaker 13>To be close to the Muslim brotherhood outlook of mister

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<v Speaker 13>Iridiwan president of.

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<v Speaker 11>Turkey. But keep in mind that the Turks are not

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<v Speaker 11>the Iranians, and Irwan is.

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<v Speaker 13>Not Kameeni ha Many is viewed as a religious spiritual leader,

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<v Speaker 13>not just a political leader by by the world of Shiism.

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<v Speaker 13>By Shiites wherever they are, what they're in Lebanon, in Syria,

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<v Speaker 13>in Iraq. Iran does not is not a spiritual figure.

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<v Speaker 13>He is a political leader, and moreover, he doesn't command

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<v Speaker 13>that type of allegiance from Sunni Arabs and Syria being

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<v Speaker 13>mostly Sunni. But beyond that, Ian has other has another

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<v Speaker 13>facet to him. He's not just a Muslim brotherhood Islamist.

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<v Speaker 13>He is also a neo Ottomanist who deeply believes that

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<v Speaker 13>the peoples of the Middle East yearn profoundly for the

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<v Speaker 13>return of the Ottoman Empire. And I'm not exaggerating some

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<v Speaker 13>of the statements that have come out of Ankara that

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<v Speaker 13>people in Baghdad and people in i'm on just want

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<v Speaker 13>nothing more than the.

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<v Speaker 11>Turks to come back. He lives in that illusion. It's

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<v Speaker 11>not true. No one is actually yearning.

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<v Speaker 13>For the return of the Ottoman Empire anywhere in the

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<v Speaker 13>least that I know of, And so his influence will

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<v Speaker 13>not be as profound as for say, Hamenies was in

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<v Speaker 13>Lebanon through his Blah with Shiite majority or the largest

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<v Speaker 13>largest ethnic community in Lebanon where Shiite, or in Iraq

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<v Speaker 13>where Shiites are in the majority, or in the Gulf

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<v Speaker 13>A certain countries do have a shit majority, it's not

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<v Speaker 13>the same magnitude of threat. There's also been problems historically

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<v Speaker 13>between the leadership in Ankara and the Turkish army.

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<v Speaker 11>They don't trust one another.

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<v Speaker 13>Occasionally Irduwano will conduct very large scale, painful purges of

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<v Speaker 13>his own military. And I think if you look over

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<v Speaker 13>historically over the last fifty sixty years, the Turkish army,

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<v Speaker 13>though it is very, very powerful and very well armed,

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<v Speaker 13>has generally underperformed and there's a reason for that.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're not worried about Al Shara starting a war

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<v Speaker 1>with Israel armed with Turkish weapons.

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<v Speaker 13>First of all, I don't know what Turkish weapons are,

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<v Speaker 13>so generally NATO weapons they are, and that'll be and

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<v Speaker 13>keeping by the early one is also a member of NATO,

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<v Speaker 13>and that's also a check on him. You know, he

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<v Speaker 13>plays around with NATO, He gets some Russian anti aircraft systems.

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<v Speaker 11>And tries to play both sides. At the end of

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<v Speaker 11>the day, A check there with you.

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<v Speaker 13>Large military military American military basis in Turkey. America didn't

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<v Speaker 13>have large military bases in Iran. So no, I'm not

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<v Speaker 13>concerned about I am concerned about expanding Turkish influence not

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<v Speaker 13>just in Syria but elsewhere in the release.

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<v Speaker 11>How about Gaza for example.

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<v Speaker 13>Uh And we have to work to make sure that

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<v Speaker 13>we're not replacing the Iranian access of resistance with the

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<v Speaker 13>Turkish hamas Katari access of resistance.

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<v Speaker 11>So no, I'm not worried, but we have to be

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<v Speaker 11>on our guard.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Michael Horn always good to talk to you. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>Mornerglorian even Grace America. I'mh you and and the Relief

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<v Speaker 1>Actor Studio West joined by Bethany Mandel. Bethany is our

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<v Speaker 1>weekly guest for the perspective of the mom wors dot

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<v Speaker 1>substack dot com. That's her substact, the Momworth dot substact

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. Bethany, I'm talking with everyone about Iran, but

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<v Speaker 1>before I do that, your reaction to the verdict of

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<v Speaker 1>medical malpractice against the doctor who performed breast removal surgery

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<v Speaker 1>on a girl who was transitioning and then decided it

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<v Speaker 1>was a big mistake. What did you make of that case?

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<v Speaker 10>I think that it's potentially a watershed moment. When so

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<v Speaker 10>I wrote a book called Stolen Youth with Carol Markowitz,

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<v Speaker 10>came out almost exactly three years ago and the doctors

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<v Speaker 10>and clinicians that I spoke to who had real misgivings

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<v Speaker 10>on an ethics standpoint with gender identity stuff with kids.

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<v Speaker 10>The one thing they all said in unison was this

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<v Speaker 10>house of cards is going to fall when the lawsuits start,

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<v Speaker 10>and a lot of them compared it to the tobacco

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<v Speaker 10>lawsuits that really changed the way big tobacco operated in America.

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<v Speaker 10>And I think that this is this is the starting point.

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<v Speaker 10>There was a great piece in the Free press about

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<v Speaker 10>it today. But Chloe Cole, who's another detransitionary, another young

0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:06.520
<v Speaker 10>woman who believed herself to be a man for a

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<v Speaker 10>number of years and then transitioned back to being a woman,

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<v Speaker 10>She's filed a lawsuit as well. The issue for doctors,

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<v Speaker 10>both surgeons and psychiatrists who have engaged in this is

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<v Speaker 10>that it's all scient anti science, it's all gobblegook, and

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<v Speaker 10>so they will have had to prove that they did

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<v Speaker 10>their due diligence and that the children were able to

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<v Speaker 10>give informed consent, and they won't be able to do that.

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<v Speaker 10>And so I do think it's a house of cards.

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<v Speaker 10>And this is the first one that's following.

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<v Speaker 1>So do you have any data yet? And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have any way of figuring this out. I thought maybe

0:23:39.320 --> 0:23:44.040
<v Speaker 1>you would have the insurance company stopped covering doctors who

0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:49.280
<v Speaker 1>perferend hospitals that allow transitioning surgery, because once they stop

0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:54.439
<v Speaker 1>writing policies for those doctors, those doctors stop doing those procedures,

0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:57.640
<v Speaker 1>don't have to wait for judgments. Now there's a judgment,

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<v Speaker 1>Now there is risk.

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<v Speaker 10>So it's funny that you asked that. I actually asked

0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:04.480
<v Speaker 10>someone today in fact that question, and the jury is

0:24:04.480 --> 0:24:06.879
<v Speaker 10>still out because the jury just came back. So the

0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:09.720
<v Speaker 10>jury is still out on the insurance companies. But because

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<v Speaker 10>of the Trump administration, there's been a lot of movement

0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:16.200
<v Speaker 10>on this front from states and from Medicaid, and so

0:24:16.600 --> 0:24:19.320
<v Speaker 10>state after state, Utah was the most recent have said

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<v Speaker 10>this is not happening.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think Bethany Froze movement. Yeah, you're back, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>We lost your last thirty seconds, Bethany, Oh, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 10>So this is it's a good start on the Medicaid front.

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<v Speaker 10>A lot of states have stopped stopped doing this because

0:24:39.440 --> 0:24:42.080
<v Speaker 10>Medicaid is not paying for this anymore thanks to the

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<v Speaker 10>Trump administration, and a lot of states have also said

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<v Speaker 10>this won't be happening in our teaching hospitals anymore. And

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<v Speaker 10>so Utah was the most recent example of a state

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<v Speaker 10>that said this is not happening in our hospitals anymore.

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<v Speaker 10>So the private insurance front, I think that's coming. I

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<v Speaker 10>think there's probably going to need to be a few

0:24:57.119 --> 0:24:59.840
<v Speaker 10>more cards that fall. But there's a lot of lawsuits

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<v Speaker 10>in the works. Unfortunately, they've butchered a lot of children,

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<v Speaker 10>and there's a lot of children who have a legal case,

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<v Speaker 10>and so I think it's only a matter of time.

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<v Speaker 1>As a Roman Catholic, it's painful for me to bring

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<v Speaker 1>up this example, but many, many dioceses in the United

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<v Speaker 1>States are bankrupt because of abuse that was known and

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<v Speaker 1>not corrected. The same thing is going to happen to

0:25:19.720 --> 0:25:23.520
<v Speaker 1>many many hospitals and many many doctors because the statute

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<v Speaker 1>of limitations will be extended based upon the fact that

0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:30.760
<v Speaker 1>they operated in bad faith, in other words, without science.

0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:33.920
<v Speaker 1>They were doing guinea pig experiments on kids, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to pay the price.

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<v Speaker 10>I think that you're mostly right, but my only concern

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<v Speaker 10>is that there was a there was an interest on

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<v Speaker 10>the part of a lot of people in the legal

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<v Speaker 10>field to bring down the Catholic Church, and I don't

0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:51.600
<v Speaker 10>think that there's that eagerness in existing on this issue.

0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:54.399
<v Speaker 10>This judgment was only two million dollars, which I do

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<v Speaker 10>not think was enough. The judgments that were held against

0:25:57.440 --> 0:26:01.680
<v Speaker 10>the Catholic Church were of Magnitude's law, and so I

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<v Speaker 10>do think that this will be a real financial burden

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<v Speaker 10>for hospitals, but I don't think it's going to be

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<v Speaker 10>on the same scale as what happened with the Catholic Church.

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<v Speaker 1>It depends on how many victims and the jurisdiction. Because California,

0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:16.000
<v Speaker 1>for example, has a cap on pain and suffering, many

0:26:16.119 --> 0:26:20.760
<v Speaker 1>states don't, and so where the victim of transitioning wants

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<v Speaker 1>to sue will make all the difference. There are gonna

0:26:22.600 --> 0:26:24.760
<v Speaker 1>be a lot of lossuits in California because of the cap,

0:26:25.160 --> 0:26:28.160
<v Speaker 1>but there are some places where the cap doesn't exist. Now, Bethany,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to ask you, just nobody knows what's going

0:26:31.160 --> 0:26:34.720
<v Speaker 1>to happen when they're on Everybody's guessing. I've talked with

0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:36.720
<v Speaker 1>doctor Arny and Aviv ready gored today. I'm going to

0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:39.080
<v Speaker 1>play at Eve's later in the show. What's your guess?

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<v Speaker 10>I mean, my tea leaves. I'm reading our President Trump's statements,

0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:48.480
<v Speaker 10>and his statements are pretty clear to me. I think

0:26:48.680 --> 0:26:51.600
<v Speaker 10>you know, when President Trump Trump speaks, you have to listen.

0:26:51.680 --> 0:26:53.800
<v Speaker 10>And he's made pretty clear that if they don't come

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<v Speaker 10>to the negotiating table and that they don't stop killing

0:26:56.680 --> 0:26:59.920
<v Speaker 10>the protesters, there will be hell to pay. He didn't

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<v Speaker 10>use that phrasing exactly again this time, but he made

0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:06.360
<v Speaker 10>clear there would be consequences, and so I believe him well.

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<v Speaker 1>He said to that we should let's play air force

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<v Speaker 1>one last night. The most recent comment cut number one

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<v Speaker 1>on a ran.

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<v Speaker 10>As a free leader today said that he puts part

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<v Speaker 10>of regional war.

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<v Speaker 11>Give you find that Roy, wouldn't he say that.

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<v Speaker 5>I'd appreciated to say that. But we have the biggest

0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:25.080
<v Speaker 5>rosabe offleships in.

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<v Speaker 6>The world over there very close a couple of days.

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<v Speaker 5>That hopefully we'll make a deal. We don't make a deal,

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<v Speaker 5>then we'll find out whether or not he was right.

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<v Speaker 1>So what ha Many said is he'll start a regional war,

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<v Speaker 1>and what the President said is we'll find out if

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<v Speaker 1>he's right the Iranians or not. How Many is not

0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:43.400
<v Speaker 1>going to give up his missiles in his uranium. He's

0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:46.399
<v Speaker 1>not going to do it. So that means Trump's going

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<v Speaker 1>to strike, and I think he means we'll see if

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<v Speaker 1>he can do. I think in such a way that

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<v Speaker 1>they will be incapacitated. I don't rule out what Dr

0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Orange is called the Sheffield factor, which is a lucky

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<v Speaker 1>shot by Iran that hits an America destroyer or a

0:28:00.840 --> 0:28:04.639
<v Speaker 1>carrier and kills people. But I think they'll get beaten

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<v Speaker 1>up pretty badly, pretty quickly. Do you agree?

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I do, I do, And I think that that's

0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:12.560
<v Speaker 10>exactly what President Trump was just saying. He was he

0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:14.560
<v Speaker 10>was kind of saying. He shrugged his shoulders kind of

0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:18.280
<v Speaker 10>and was like, oh, let's see. But that's not a

0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:20.600
<v Speaker 10>matchup that I would I would be interested in going

0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:23.280
<v Speaker 10>into if I were the Iranians, and you know, they

0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:25.520
<v Speaker 10>talk a big game, they always have, but this is

0:28:25.560 --> 0:28:26.960
<v Speaker 10>the first time that they have someone in the White

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<v Speaker 10>House that carries a big stick, and they know how

0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:30.359
<v Speaker 10>big the stick is because they've already been hit by

0:28:30.400 --> 0:28:31.000
<v Speaker 10>America once.

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<v Speaker 1>I would like you to hear as well, what havev

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<v Speaker 1>Reddy Gore had to say about President Trump and President Obama?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I asked Aviv, how if President Trump doesn't do anything,

0:28:42.440 --> 0:28:45.440
<v Speaker 1>does that make him into President Obama. Here's his response.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna say about President Obama.

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<v Speaker 2>You asked me, if President Trump doesn't boond me wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>what happens can be compared him to President Obama. I

0:28:53.200 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 2>want to be very clear about this, and I don't

0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:57.000
<v Speaker 2>want to step into American politics, and I don't know

0:28:57.120 --> 0:28:59.520
<v Speaker 2>half the topics that are setting American politics on fire.

0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:01.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm want to say, just in the context of the

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<v Speaker 2>wrong issue, nothing President Trump Trump does with I wrong

0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:08.400
<v Speaker 2>will ever bring him down to the level of the

0:29:09.120 --> 0:29:13.120
<v Speaker 2>disaster that the j CPI represented. The fact that the

0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:15.840
<v Speaker 2>JCPI said that they can you know, inspectors can always

0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:17.520
<v Speaker 2>go anywhere, but then there was a twenty four hour

0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:20.160
<v Speaker 2>period where they would have to have a consultation over

0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:22.200
<v Speaker 2>whether they would go anywhere. The fact that it didn't

0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:25.040
<v Speaker 2>concern the ballistic missile program, the fact that it released

0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:27.840
<v Speaker 2>fifty to one hundred billion dollars for the IRGC, which.

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<v Speaker 3>We're invested in it because Bella just to the signing bonus.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that most of the major provisions ended by

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<v Speaker 2>now would have already ended history continued ten years, fifteen years,

0:29:39.280 --> 0:29:40.680
<v Speaker 2>is just kicking the can down the road.

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<v Speaker 3>That is not President Trump.

0:29:42.360 --> 0:29:44.800
<v Speaker 2>President Trump has already caused more damage to Forde said

0:29:44.840 --> 0:29:47.560
<v Speaker 2>back that program more than all the President Obama's deals

0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:48.000
<v Speaker 2>ever could.

0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:52.320
<v Speaker 3>And so no, even if Trump, in my view, for example,

0:29:52.440 --> 0:29:53.600
<v Speaker 3>he hasn't. But even if I.

0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:55.800
<v Speaker 2>Decide that he screwed this up and didn't do the

0:29:55.920 --> 0:29:58.040
<v Speaker 2>right thing, he will still have been much better on

0:29:58.160 --> 0:30:00.320
<v Speaker 2>this issue than President Obama, who has a lot to

0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:04.160
<v Speaker 2>answer for. He has thirty seven thousand Iranians to apologize too.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you make of that, Bethany?

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<v Speaker 10>I had to laugh because his not wanting to wait

0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:14.400
<v Speaker 10>into domestic politics in America is my policy about domestic

0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:18.000
<v Speaker 10>politics in Israel. Yeah, and so that cave I appreciated

0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:20.440
<v Speaker 10>that caveat because I make it all the time too. No,

0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:23.360
<v Speaker 10>He's absolutely correct there. You could not get any worse

0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:28.120
<v Speaker 10>than President Obama handing suitcases full of cash, and that's

0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 10>what happened. But I mean, we're in a totally different

0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:37.280
<v Speaker 10>it's a totally different world than we occupied when President Trump,

0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:40.840
<v Speaker 10>when President Obama was president. It can't get worse, but

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:42.880
<v Speaker 10>it also you know, it can't get much better than

0:30:42.920 --> 0:30:43.520
<v Speaker 10>President Trump.

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<v Speaker 11>Honestly, Well, have you.

0:30:45.280 --> 0:30:48.280
<v Speaker 1>Seen any of the Obama bros? You know the Pod

0:30:48.360 --> 0:30:54.400
<v Speaker 1>Bros or President Obama or anybody associated with the JCPOA

0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:57.720
<v Speaker 1>in the Senate or the House or the Old Has

0:30:57.800 --> 0:30:59.880
<v Speaker 1>anyone come forward to say we were wrong, We didn't

0:30:59.920 --> 0:31:01.880
<v Speaker 1>know that they would kill thirty seven thousand of their

0:31:01.920 --> 0:31:02.520
<v Speaker 1>own people.

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<v Speaker 10>No, No, I mean my signal for is this the

0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:10.520
<v Speaker 10>right foreign policy move? Literally across the board from Venezuela

0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:13.200
<v Speaker 10>to Iran, you name it is. If the pod broads

0:31:13.240 --> 0:31:15.880
<v Speaker 10>think it was about idea, I'm like, well, okay, here

0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:17.600
<v Speaker 10>we are good barometer.

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 1>I got to ask you, I think the world has

0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:24.920
<v Speaker 1>walked way too quickly passed thirty seven thousand dead Iranians.

0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:28.680
<v Speaker 1>Do you agree with me about that? I do.

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<v Speaker 10>I mean it's hard to know what the numbers are

0:31:31.480 --> 0:31:36.200
<v Speaker 10>in there, but I mean it's catastrophic, and in the

0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:40.320
<v Speaker 10>world's silence about whatever it is, it's tens of thousands,

0:31:40.400 --> 0:31:43.760
<v Speaker 10>whatever it is, is really glaring. Considering how loud they

0:31:43.840 --> 0:31:46.080
<v Speaker 10>were about the Hamas numbers coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Out of Gaza, and you know how traumatized Israel and

0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:53.800
<v Speaker 1>Israeli and Jews and the diaspora were after ten seven.

0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:57.720
<v Speaker 1>Do you think Iranians are feeling the same thing that

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<v Speaker 1>Israeli that we did, Yeah, what do you think I.

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<v Speaker 5>Do to some extent.

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<v Speaker 10>I mean, unfortunately, there's not the pictures in the videos

0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:13.240
<v Speaker 10>that really traumatized American Jews and Israeli Jews. After October seventh,

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:18.640
<v Speaker 10>the regime have shut down access to these images in

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:21.120
<v Speaker 10>these pictures very intentionally. I think they're going to come

0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:23.800
<v Speaker 10>out eventually, but it's going to be a slow dribble,

0:32:23.840 --> 0:32:24.160
<v Speaker 10>I think.

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<v Speaker 1>And when it does, the one that came out today

0:32:27.200 --> 0:32:29.719
<v Speaker 1>of the kid holding the door, which a meets Sigal

0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:32.360
<v Speaker 1>as in his website, I recommend everyone go to a

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<v Speaker 1>meet Sigal dot net and watch that one video. Bethany Mandel,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. Follow on exit Bethany Sean Dark. Senator At

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<v Speaker 1>Cotton is next on the h view of show Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>Back to America. I'm Hugh Hewett, joined by Senator Tom

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<v Speaker 1>Cotton of Arkansas as Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee.

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<v Speaker 1>Senator Cotton, I'm glad you called. I thought you were

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<v Speaker 1>shut down today.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, even when the government is partially shut down, we

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<v Speaker 9>are still at work in the Capitol, and I know

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<v Speaker 9>the House of Representatives is currently deliberating on the bill

0:33:07.160 --> 0:33:10.840
<v Speaker 9>that we passed Friday evening and hopefully they'll pass that

0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:12.920
<v Speaker 9>intenant directly to the presence death soon. I know he

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<v Speaker 9>just put on a call for the House to pass

0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:16.880
<v Speaker 9>it without delay so he can sign it to Meeba

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<v Speaker 9>Lea this evening and gave them back to work in

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<v Speaker 9>the government.

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<v Speaker 3>So Sarah, it's on again for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>If DHS is you've got to do a compromise, you

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<v Speaker 1>will not. I hope the Republicans will not agree to

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<v Speaker 1>suspend administrative warrants. Otherwise that's the end of deportations. We

0:33:33.480 --> 0:33:35.440
<v Speaker 1>only have seven hundred district court judges in the United

0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:38.600
<v Speaker 1>States and some magistrates would do you imagine the Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>will ever agree to that.

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<v Speaker 9>No, I, Hugh, of course not. And you're right that

0:33:43.800 --> 0:33:47.600
<v Speaker 9>insists on judicial warrants for illegal aliens, which has never

0:33:47.720 --> 0:33:50.120
<v Speaker 9>been the standard in this country and in fact has

0:33:50.120 --> 0:33:53.480
<v Speaker 9>been repeatedly rejected by the Supreme Court. It's simply a

0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:58.600
<v Speaker 9>democratic effort to stop deportations, period. And we can't have

0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:02.240
<v Speaker 9>a situation where cradic administration like Joe Biden can let

0:34:02.520 --> 0:34:05.560
<v Speaker 9>ten million illegals float into our country, but a Republican

0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:09.720
<v Speaker 9>administration following it can't then enforce the law and restore

0:34:09.800 --> 0:34:12.240
<v Speaker 9>the rule of law by deporting illegal aliens.

0:34:12.800 --> 0:34:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Do you have the opportunity on this special appropriations

0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:20.879
<v Speaker 1>last bill for DHS to add laws, for example, could

0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:23.440
<v Speaker 1>you regularize the Dreamers if you wanted to?

0:34:26.880 --> 0:34:27.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:29.800
<v Speaker 9>So he was not a reconciliation bill, So there's no

0:34:29.920 --> 0:34:32.879
<v Speaker 9>special rules something Congress can legislat as we would choose.

0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:35.520
<v Speaker 9>I can tell you I don't think there's a lot

0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:37.319
<v Speaker 9>of appetite to address that kind.

0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:38.200
<v Speaker 3>Of sweeping reforms.

0:34:39.000 --> 0:34:43.320
<v Speaker 9>This is more negotiation about specifically what will happen with

0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:47.400
<v Speaker 9>immigration enforcements and ICE in particular. I know the Democrats

0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:50.360
<v Speaker 9>have some demand. Some of those might be reasonable, others

0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:53.600
<v Speaker 9>like insisting on judicial warrants or that officers removed their

0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:56.000
<v Speaker 9>masks so they could be docks by left wing lunatics

0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:58.520
<v Speaker 9>or not. But we have demand as well. We'd like

0:34:58.600 --> 0:35:02.360
<v Speaker 9>to pass legislation that can federal funding on repealing sanctuary

0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:06.480
<v Speaker 9>city laws and ordinances at states and municipalities. So we'll

0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:08.680
<v Speaker 9>see if the Democrats are serious about compromise over the

0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:09.359
<v Speaker 9>next two weeks.

0:35:09.520 --> 0:35:11.919
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's what I'm getting at, is that there must

0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:16.200
<v Speaker 1>be some things that our offers that they can't refuse.

0:35:16.360 --> 0:35:18.919
<v Speaker 1>For example, I think dreamers are an eighty twenty issue.

0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:20.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't know where you are on at center, but

0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:23.680
<v Speaker 1>people who are brought here at the age of two,

0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:25.800
<v Speaker 1>or maybe you redefine it lower, so that if you

0:35:25.840 --> 0:35:27.239
<v Speaker 1>were brought to the country at the age of four

0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:30.839
<v Speaker 1>and you've been here for thirty year some kind of regularization,

0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:33.560
<v Speaker 1>non amnesty, they never get to vote. That makes it

0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:36.440
<v Speaker 1>that sort of flips the script on the Democrats. Is

0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:37.440
<v Speaker 1>there any thought of doing that?

0:35:39.920 --> 0:35:41.680
<v Speaker 9>Well, I think you you don't have the votes for

0:35:41.760 --> 0:35:45.400
<v Speaker 9>that if it was combined with additional enforcement measures. Yeah, Branch,

0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:49.640
<v Speaker 9>it's a ban on sanctuary cities. Again that the Democrats

0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:52.600
<v Speaker 9>have gone so far to the left of emigration that

0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:55.880
<v Speaker 9>I'm not sure that they'd be willing to vote forwards.

0:35:56.120 --> 0:36:00.279
<v Speaker 9>And obviously we're not. The Republicans aren't going to vote

0:36:00.320 --> 0:36:04.640
<v Speaker 9>on anything like giving even the limited regularizations that people

0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:06.759
<v Speaker 9>who weren't brought here through no fault of their own.

0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:10.600
<v Speaker 9>If we're not addressing the wide open border that bid

0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:13.640
<v Speaker 9>and graded for four years and the repercussions of it.

0:36:14.000 --> 0:36:16.800
<v Speaker 1>You see, I if I'm on the Democrats side, the

0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:19.840
<v Speaker 1>worst thing you could do is offer me the dreamers

0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:24.160
<v Speaker 1>some subset of Dreamers and a ban on sanctuary cities,

0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:28.759
<v Speaker 1>because then they're committing political Harry Carey, if they opposed that,

0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:31.000
<v Speaker 1>because they're going to oppose the Dreamers, and they're going

0:36:31.080 --> 0:36:33.839
<v Speaker 1>to oppose and they're going to because of sanctuary cities,

0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:37.560
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't they wouldn't they find themselves torn apart.

0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:42.360
<v Speaker 9>Regrettably? I think again the far left is in the

0:36:42.440 --> 0:36:44.760
<v Speaker 9>saddle in the Democratic Party. I mean, when the DHS

0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:46.600
<v Speaker 9>bill went through the House of Representatives, I think it

0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:51.200
<v Speaker 9>only got seven or eight Democratic votes. All the latest

0:36:51.239 --> 0:36:54.640
<v Speaker 9>class of freshmen Democrats in the Senate voted against the

0:36:54.680 --> 0:36:57.320
<v Speaker 9>bill as well, with just a two week funding provision

0:36:57.400 --> 0:37:00.439
<v Speaker 9>on it. So I think it's the case. But most

0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:03.440
<v Speaker 9>Democrats are willing to shut down the entire government and

0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:06.720
<v Speaker 9>two weeks will be willing to shut down DHS before

0:37:06.719 --> 0:37:10.400
<v Speaker 9>they would object before they would permit funding for immigration

0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:11.480
<v Speaker 9>enforcement period.

0:37:12.719 --> 0:37:15.719
<v Speaker 1>What happens if DHS isn't funded in two week? Center

0:37:16.000 --> 0:37:17.799
<v Speaker 1>does that mean TSA as well?

0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:18.480
<v Speaker 6>Well?

0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:20.719
<v Speaker 9>I think this is a very important point for all

0:37:20.719 --> 0:37:24.840
<v Speaker 9>of your listeners. Who Patty Murray, the senior Democrat on

0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:28.520
<v Speaker 9>the Appropriations Committee, admitted last week that a government shut

0:37:28.600 --> 0:37:31.640
<v Speaker 9>down or DHS shut down will do nothing to stop ICE.

0:37:32.280 --> 0:37:35.719
<v Speaker 9>ICE is a law enforcement agency, it's deemed central. Its

0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:38.319
<v Speaker 9>officers still be on the streets doing their critical work

0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:43.200
<v Speaker 9>to keep our communities safe. We also gave ICE billions

0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:46.719
<v Speaker 9>of dollars last summer in the Working Families tax cut legislation,

0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:50.759
<v Speaker 9>partly because we suspected Democrats might try to be fund though,

0:37:51.560 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 9>so ICE won't be affected. ICE's operations will continue. What

0:37:55.520 --> 0:37:58.560
<v Speaker 9>would be affected, well, you would see a degradation of

0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:01.880
<v Speaker 9>service in is the at airports as we're trying to

0:38:01.920 --> 0:38:04.200
<v Speaker 9>get back on our feet after a massive winter storm,

0:38:04.719 --> 0:38:07.520
<v Speaker 9>or the coast gu argue or FEMA as people are

0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:12.520
<v Speaker 9>struggling after this massive winter storm, or cybersecurity efforts. Those

0:38:12.560 --> 0:38:15.279
<v Speaker 9>would all be shut down if the Democrats refuse to

0:38:15.920 --> 0:38:18.280
<v Speaker 9>fund DHS on even a short term basis.

0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:21.120
<v Speaker 1>So Senator, what I'm saying is that they've walked themselves

0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:23.960
<v Speaker 1>into a corner. The only thing to shut down at DHS.

0:38:24.360 --> 0:38:28.360
<v Speaker 1>So that just focuses everybody on immigration. And if the

0:38:28.440 --> 0:38:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Republicans put eighty twenty issues on the table, they are

0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:35.439
<v Speaker 1>going to win. The political debate is that like them,

0:38:35.760 --> 0:38:38.680
<v Speaker 1>you run the conference. Are people thinking about the fact

0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:40.880
<v Speaker 1>that they're in a they put themselves in a corner.

0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:43.840
<v Speaker 9>Well, it maybe the chair of the conference. I'm not

0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:47.600
<v Speaker 9>sure anyone actually runs it. The editor is ultimately accountable,

0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:53.200
<v Speaker 9>ultimately accountable to his own voters and back home and

0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:57.360
<v Speaker 9>zone conviction that the campaigned on. But you're right to

0:38:57.400 --> 0:39:03.720
<v Speaker 9>you that there are some sensible and very popular immigration compromises.

0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:09.480
<v Speaker 9>Those have to be paired though with heightened enforcement measures.

0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:11.759
<v Speaker 9>And it just doesn't seem that's like where the Democratic

0:39:12.400 --> 0:39:13.440
<v Speaker 9>senators are right now?

0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:15.600
<v Speaker 1>Are you going to make it at them at least

0:39:15.719 --> 0:39:19.000
<v Speaker 1>vote on defunding sanctuary cities. I want them to vote

0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:21.680
<v Speaker 1>in favor of sanctuaries. I want them on the record

0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:24.239
<v Speaker 1>one way or the other, because that's an eighty twenty issue,

0:39:24.280 --> 0:39:24.799
<v Speaker 1>whether they know.

0:39:24.880 --> 0:39:25.200
<v Speaker 13>It or not.

0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:28.759
<v Speaker 9>I think that can be expected if we get into

0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:31.000
<v Speaker 9>a situation where we're having votes on this data or

0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:34.560
<v Speaker 9>the other policy. I have no doubt that Republican senators

0:39:34.600 --> 0:39:36.239
<v Speaker 9>at least will be very eager to have a vote

0:39:36.400 --> 0:39:38.320
<v Speaker 9>on ban on sanctuary cities.

0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:43.120
<v Speaker 1>Very good. Last question, Senator, President Trump has become President Yoda,

0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:45.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm not quite sure what he's saying. What do you

0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:47.320
<v Speaker 1>think is going to happen in Iran?

0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:53.719
<v Speaker 9>Well, he what we want to happen is to minimize

0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:58.360
<v Speaker 9>the oppression and killing of the Iranian people who have

0:39:58.480 --> 0:40:02.799
<v Speaker 9>risen up against their corrupt xatorial regime. And we want

0:40:02.800 --> 0:40:05.799
<v Speaker 9>to maximize the pressure that the Iotlas are facing. There's

0:40:05.800 --> 0:40:07.799
<v Speaker 9>a lot of different ways we can do that, military means,

0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:11.279
<v Speaker 9>financial names, economic means. But I think we want to

0:40:11.320 --> 0:40:14.840
<v Speaker 9>keep the pressure on them and try to do everything

0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:17.239
<v Speaker 9>we can to help the brave running people who are

0:40:17.320 --> 0:40:19.600
<v Speaker 9>protesting against their erruptatorial regime.

0:40:19.800 --> 0:40:22.080
<v Speaker 1>Well, the Iatola said it would lead to regional war.

0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:24.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's anyone in the region that will

0:40:24.719 --> 0:40:27.760
<v Speaker 1>help them, right, everyone against Iran, is that what he's suggesting.

0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:31.319
<v Speaker 9>And he was blustering about that before he blew up

0:40:31.320 --> 0:40:32.600
<v Speaker 9>his nuclear facilities as well.

0:40:33.120 --> 0:40:35.360
<v Speaker 11>And all he did was effectlessly.

0:40:34.760 --> 0:40:37.520
<v Speaker 9>Shoot a few rockets and missiles at our base in

0:40:37.560 --> 0:40:40.920
<v Speaker 9>Patara while giving us advanced notice that we could clear out. Well,

0:40:41.080 --> 0:40:43.760
<v Speaker 9>I take what the Itela says that face value.

0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:47.320
<v Speaker 1>I do not, sata Tom Cotton remarking thank you for

0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:50.560
<v Speaker 1>joining me even in the middle of an official government shutdown.

0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:53.320
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate your still being here during the shutdown. Thank you,

0:40:53.400 --> 0:40:56.279
<v Speaker 1>Senator Cotton. Don't go anywhere America. I'll be right back.

0:40:56.719 --> 0:40:58.839
<v Speaker 1>He's not President Yode. He keeps saying the same thing,

0:40:58.880 --> 0:41:01.759
<v Speaker 1>which is, I hope they negotiate. I hope they take

0:41:01.800 --> 0:41:04.880
<v Speaker 1>their chance. I hope they don't force my hand. But

0:41:05.000 --> 0:41:07.960
<v Speaker 1>I think that means they're going to force the President's hand.

0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:10.480
<v Speaker 1>But no one can be sure. I'll be right back.

0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:13.560
<v Speaker 1>Stay tuned to the QUH Show. Welcome back, and I

0:41:13.719 --> 0:41:16.279
<v Speaker 1>Hugh Hewitt Vic mattis joined me. Vic is the art

0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:19.160
<v Speaker 1>and culture editor and weekend editor of the Washington Free Beacon.

0:41:19.239 --> 0:41:22.000
<v Speaker 1>He is also the co host of the Getting Hammered podcast.

0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:25.600
<v Speaker 1>But there's not a new Getting Hammered podcast. I listened

0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:27.520
<v Speaker 1>to the podcast that came out this morning and there

0:41:27.600 --> 0:41:29.800
<v Speaker 1>wasn't a get what is your schedule of production?

0:41:30.040 --> 0:41:30.200
<v Speaker 10>Vic?

0:41:32.000 --> 0:41:34.560
<v Speaker 14>Hello, Hugh, nice to see you, And yes, the question

0:41:35.040 --> 0:41:36.880
<v Speaker 14>on a lot of people's minds is what is the

0:41:37.040 --> 0:41:41.440
<v Speaker 14>schedule of Getting Hammered? We generally now tape on Tuesdays

0:41:41.840 --> 0:41:43.840
<v Speaker 14>and a new episode comes up on Wednesdays.

0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:46.600
<v Speaker 5>All right, that's the schedule, so stay tuned.

0:41:46.760 --> 0:41:49.160
<v Speaker 1>Well we should then we should have you on Thursday

0:41:49.239 --> 0:41:52.120
<v Speaker 1>instead of Monday, and we would talk about but we'll

0:41:52.160 --> 0:41:54.719
<v Speaker 1>work that out. But vic. I want to guess that

0:41:54.840 --> 0:41:59.400
<v Speaker 1>you are like me, a center right border hawk and regularization,

0:42:00.440 --> 0:42:02.960
<v Speaker 1>and by that I mean I want the biggest, tallest

0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:06.000
<v Speaker 1>double sided wall at the border, and then I want

0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:08.080
<v Speaker 1>to let all the nice people stay of come over it,

0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:10.880
<v Speaker 1>nice people. And there are ways to prove that. Am

0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:12.040
<v Speaker 1>I close to where you are?

0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:13.879
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

0:42:13.960 --> 0:42:15.680
<v Speaker 14>I mean you can go back to the eighties and

0:42:15.719 --> 0:42:18.000
<v Speaker 14>you think about the amnesty that was granted during the

0:42:18.080 --> 0:42:21.120
<v Speaker 14>ragged administration. I think a lot of Americans, not just

0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:23.399
<v Speaker 14>you and me, feel that way, and not necessarily people

0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:25.520
<v Speaker 14>that have to be right of center like both of us.

0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:30.160
<v Speaker 14>But yeah, I think our understanding was in the second

0:42:30.160 --> 0:42:32.880
<v Speaker 14>administration that there was going to be a very hardline

0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:35.520
<v Speaker 14>enforcement at the border, and we're seeing this is one

0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:38.800
<v Speaker 14>of Trump's greatest achievements is he's brought that number basically

0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:42.160
<v Speaker 14>down to zero and making the job of customs and

0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:43.560
<v Speaker 14>border patrol very easy.

0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:46.160
<v Speaker 5>But he also said that he was going to go around.

0:42:46.520 --> 0:42:48.600
<v Speaker 14>The president was going to go around to big cities,

0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:52.680
<v Speaker 14>in towns looking for people who were here illegally and

0:42:52.800 --> 0:42:53.759
<v Speaker 14>deport them, and that.

0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:55.759
<v Speaker 5>Was by using ice.

0:42:56.480 --> 0:42:58.239
<v Speaker 14>And at first, of course, what comes to mind for

0:42:58.480 --> 0:43:02.440
<v Speaker 14>us are dangerous criminals people here who entered the ten

0:43:02.560 --> 0:43:05.680
<v Speaker 14>or eleven million illegals during the Bided administration who came

0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:08.480
<v Speaker 14>into the country. They're parts of you know, MS thirteen

0:43:08.560 --> 0:43:10.719
<v Speaker 14>or trendy Arragua. Get them out of here. I don't

0:43:10.719 --> 0:43:13.240
<v Speaker 14>think anybody had a problem with that, and everyone understood

0:43:13.680 --> 0:43:16.160
<v Speaker 14>that Ice is wearing these masks because they have to

0:43:16.200 --> 0:43:19.680
<v Speaker 14>protect their identities from these very dangerous people and to

0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:23.160
<v Speaker 14>protect their families. But then you started hearing stories about

0:43:23.200 --> 0:43:25.359
<v Speaker 14>people online at the home depots and other people who

0:43:25.400 --> 0:43:27.759
<v Speaker 14>were just going to work. Yes, it's true they came

0:43:27.800 --> 0:43:30.279
<v Speaker 14>here illegally, they broke the law, that is true. But

0:43:31.000 --> 0:43:34.880
<v Speaker 14>going after them in addition to the very dangerous criminal

0:43:35.000 --> 0:43:38.480
<v Speaker 14>elements who are here illegally, that doesn't sit well with a.

0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:39.080
<v Speaker 5>Lot of people.

0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:41.840
<v Speaker 14>And I think that's what we're beginning to see a

0:43:41.960 --> 0:43:45.880
<v Speaker 14>change and a dialing back, certainly after the second shooting

0:43:45.960 --> 0:43:49.799
<v Speaker 14>by Ice of alex Pretty in this case, and Tom

0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:55.000
<v Speaker 14>Homan's taking the reins of the situation in Minneapolis, and

0:43:55.239 --> 0:43:56.920
<v Speaker 14>so hopefully we're turning a corner.

0:43:57.200 --> 0:43:59.920
<v Speaker 1>So vic I think that the Democrats have walked themselves

0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:02.600
<v Speaker 1>into a corner, and by that I mean they're going

0:44:02.640 --> 0:44:06.560
<v Speaker 1>to defund DHS and TSA and everything else. Let everything

0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:10.200
<v Speaker 1>else go because they want to end administrative warrants, which

0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:13.600
<v Speaker 1>the Republicans will never agree to. Ought the Republicans to

0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:17.279
<v Speaker 1>offer them a deal they can't refuse. Other words, Hey,

0:44:17.719 --> 0:44:21.200
<v Speaker 1>we're going to end sanctuary cities, and we're going to

0:44:22.400 --> 0:44:26.279
<v Speaker 1>regularize Dreamers and people over fifty who've been here for

0:44:26.400 --> 0:44:28.920
<v Speaker 1>ten years. They may never vote, they don't, they're not

0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:32.000
<v Speaker 1>going to be citizens, not amnesty, but we're going to

0:44:32.080 --> 0:44:35.719
<v Speaker 1>continue to deport vigorously anyone who violates the law. And

0:44:35.800 --> 0:44:37.480
<v Speaker 1>we're going to pull the blue cards or the pink

0:44:37.560 --> 0:44:39.960
<v Speaker 1>cards or whatever we call them of anyone who gets

0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:42.359
<v Speaker 1>a regularization. In other words, make them an offer they

0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:45.120
<v Speaker 1>can't refuse. Do you think the Republicans are smart enough

0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:45.480
<v Speaker 1>to do that?

0:44:47.080 --> 0:44:49.279
<v Speaker 14>Well, I don't know if there's smart enough to do that,

0:44:49.480 --> 0:44:52.120
<v Speaker 14>but I think that's definitely what they should be doing.

0:44:52.239 --> 0:44:54.120
<v Speaker 5>I mean, obviously there has to be some give and

0:44:54.200 --> 0:44:54.640
<v Speaker 5>take here.

0:44:55.560 --> 0:44:57.520
<v Speaker 14>You know, you've seen these polls coming out, even the

0:44:57.560 --> 0:45:00.640
<v Speaker 14>Fox News polls, and a lot of people obviously still

0:45:00.760 --> 0:45:03.279
<v Speaker 14>very feel very strongly and are very supportive of the

0:45:03.320 --> 0:45:06.360
<v Speaker 14>president's actions along the border. But when it comes to

0:45:06.480 --> 0:45:10.160
<v Speaker 14>the deployment of ICE in such a broad scale. And

0:45:10.280 --> 0:45:13.680
<v Speaker 14>it's true the mainstream media have not been giving them

0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:16.960
<v Speaker 14>a positive portrayal videos that are taken and shared on

0:45:17.080 --> 0:45:19.880
<v Speaker 14>social media that can be easily taken out of context.

0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:22.239
<v Speaker 14>It doesn't help their case, but ICE doesn't help their

0:45:22.280 --> 0:45:25.040
<v Speaker 14>case as well in many of these situations. And so

0:45:25.200 --> 0:45:27.759
<v Speaker 14>I think that if they can find this middle ground,

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<v Speaker 14>as you're suggesting, that would be a good idea. The

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<v Speaker 14>problem is, Hugh, behind the scenes, there seems to be

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<v Speaker 14>some agreement when Tom Homan or other members of the

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<v Speaker 14>administration are talking to politicians in Minnesota and elsewhere, but

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<v Speaker 14>they don't want to actually admit that to the public

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<v Speaker 14>and to their supporters, because you know, there's a very

0:45:47.000 --> 0:45:50.320
<v Speaker 14>powerful element on the left that wants zero compromise, and

0:45:50.400 --> 0:45:52.520
<v Speaker 14>there are folks like that obviously on the right as

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<v Speaker 14>well that we have to deal with.

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<v Speaker 5>But that's what makes it very difficult. When you hear people,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, like.

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<v Speaker 14>Jacob Fry saying that I didn't agree to anything that

0:46:01.800 --> 0:46:05.200
<v Speaker 14>Tom Holman is talking about, but of course this is

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<v Speaker 14>what we want, I mean, And you hear people, for example,

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<v Speaker 14>Hugh on the left saying, well, why can't I just

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<v Speaker 14>go into the jails and just take them there instead.

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<v Speaker 5>Of going in public.

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<v Speaker 14>And that was obviously the original plan, but without police support,

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<v Speaker 14>it made their lives very difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's why, maybe I'm just naive. But if the

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans said, we're going to let the Dreamers stay, people

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<v Speaker 1>who were brought in under the age of sixteen or fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and they never can vote, but they can stay. And

0:46:33.719 --> 0:46:36.000
<v Speaker 1>we're going to let people over the age of sixty stay,

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<v Speaker 1>and other people apply, but you've got to agree to

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<v Speaker 1>defund sanctuary cities and they don't get any money for

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<v Speaker 1>anything until they start honoring detainers. Let the Democrats vote

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<v Speaker 1>against that, I mean, let them. That's so crazy that

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<v Speaker 1>I want to It requires some guile on the part

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<v Speaker 1>of Republicans to set them up. Do you think Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>have any guile in them?

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>No, I mean I think that's exactly right. You got

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<v Speaker 5>to put the ball back on their court. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 14>I mean, they're in a very delicate situation right now

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<v Speaker 14>with the partial shutdown, and there's these demands as you mentioned, to.

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<v Speaker 5>Defund ICE, but of course ICE is generally funded in

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<v Speaker 5>the center.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind just told me that they're funded for like three years.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 14>And so what they're asking for now in the sort

0:47:22.719 --> 0:47:25.200
<v Speaker 14>of they still want to say defund ice the way

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<v Speaker 14>they wanted to say, you know, defund the police, you know,

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<v Speaker 14>back in twenty twenty. But what they really want to

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<v Speaker 14>do now is maybe dial it back and say, well,

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<v Speaker 14>what we want is more accountability and we want some

0:47:36.040 --> 0:47:38.200
<v Speaker 14>reforms to ICE. We don't want to defund ice. So

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<v Speaker 14>that's sort of the fine line they're trying to walk

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<v Speaker 14>right now. But again that that's going to be very

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<v Speaker 14>difficult to pull off.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, so Vic matis to conclude, I am to

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<v Speaker 1>look for my next Getting Hammered episode on Wednesday. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that what you're telling me?

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<v Speaker 14>That is correct to you, and I can guarantee you

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<v Speaker 14>we'll have a good chunk on why a lot of

0:47:59.719 --> 0:48:03.239
<v Speaker 14>play in the Northeast in the Middle Atlantics.

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<v Speaker 5>Have had no school for over like a week, going

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<v Speaker 5>on a week and a half.

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<v Speaker 1>And what do they me.

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<v Speaker 14>I know, they're all democratic controlled and there's no accountability.

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<v Speaker 14>You know, this is the problem when you have you know,

0:48:14.480 --> 0:48:17.600
<v Speaker 14>it's one party government. My grandkids haven't seen a school in.

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<v Speaker 1>Two weeks, and boys, their mom mad so absolutely absurd.

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<v Speaker 5>It is it is absurd.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to walk through both ways uphill blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 1>Schools were open after one day. You got one snow day.

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<v Speaker 14>That was it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Vic Madis, what's it? Thank you? Follow him on

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Hugh Hewittt. I just almost missed talking to Revive

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<v Speaker 1>had Reddy Gore today because I was listening to Vive

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<v Speaker 1>Reddy Gore in his most recent asked Kaviv Anything, talking

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<v Speaker 1>with one of the more interesting people I've never heard

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<v Speaker 1>before on the program, Professor Dan Shifton. Haveviv, of course,

0:50:25.480 --> 0:50:28.000
<v Speaker 1>is the host of Ask Kaviv Anything. He's the Middle

0:50:28.000 --> 0:50:30.880
<v Speaker 1>East analyst for the free Press, and I was listening

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<v Speaker 1>to ask Aviv anything, and Professor Shifton had me somewhat entranced. Aviv.

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<v Speaker 1>How long have you known him?

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<v Speaker 3>Twenty years? He was the head of the National Security

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<v Speaker 3>Institute at the university.

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<v Speaker 2>He still runs or teaches in their graduate program, and

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<v Speaker 2>he has advised prime ministers on national security questions since Sharon,

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<v Speaker 2>since Robbing, since he was a young man, a young analyst.

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<v Speaker 1>So what struck me about him is he might be

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<v Speaker 1>stuck in the past when Turkey wasn't real problem. Did

0:51:01.640 --> 0:51:03.799
<v Speaker 1>you walk away from that conversation thinking that.

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<v Speaker 2>I? In other words, he argued that Turkey is absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>Israel's currently pre eminent regional adversary, but that there's no

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<v Speaker 2>danger of actual kinetic war, right, that's what he said.

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<v Speaker 3>I yeah, I would say he is.

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<v Speaker 2>He is trying to set off alarm bells about Turkey.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not the only one that that's very clear to

0:51:25.680 --> 0:51:26.520
<v Speaker 2>Israeli officials.

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<v Speaker 3>I buy it.

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<v Speaker 5>I buy it.

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<v Speaker 2>I buy his argument that if Turkey goes to kinetic

0:51:33.719 --> 0:51:36.919
<v Speaker 2>war with Israel through the you know, reairly Syrian border,

0:51:36.960 --> 0:51:40.080
<v Speaker 2>basically Syria is now basically a puppet of Turkey, that

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<v Speaker 2>that would fundamentally change Israel, fundamentally change Turkey.

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<v Speaker 3>It would be an event re ordering, you know, the global.

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<v Speaker 2>Landscape, certainly the Middle East, because Turkey has one of

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<v Speaker 2>the largest armies in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's in the top ten.

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<v Speaker 2>A million men under arms, if I'm not mistake, in

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand tags, a navy three times the size of

0:51:59.320 --> 0:52:03.680
<v Speaker 2>Israel's navy. But Israel has a much smarter army with

0:52:03.800 --> 0:52:06.279
<v Speaker 2>better firepower. It has the F thirty five's as most

0:52:06.320 --> 0:52:09.360
<v Speaker 2>of Turkey's of eighteen's or F sixteens. It would be

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<v Speaker 2>a disaster, a catastrophe for the region, a catastrophe for

0:52:13.400 --> 0:52:13.960
<v Speaker 2>both countries.

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<v Speaker 3>Really doesn't think Turkey would would check.

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<v Speaker 1>They would maybe have an air forces of NATO, maybe

0:52:20.719 --> 0:52:25.359
<v Speaker 1>overwhelm the Israeli Air Force. The Israeli Defense Air Force

0:52:25.480 --> 0:52:28.080
<v Speaker 1>is amazing, but Turkey's got a lot of planes that

0:52:28.200 --> 0:52:29.960
<v Speaker 1>come out in NATO. They don't. I don't think they

0:52:30.000 --> 0:52:31.759
<v Speaker 1>have the F thirty five because we wouldn't sell it

0:52:31.840 --> 0:52:33.640
<v Speaker 1>to them because they had the Soviet system. So they're

0:52:33.640 --> 0:52:36.280
<v Speaker 1>getting rid of the Soviet system. But I was imagining

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<v Speaker 1>as I listened to you, if they get Al Shara

0:52:39.560 --> 0:52:42.680
<v Speaker 1>to provoke a fight with you, and then they supply

0:52:42.800 --> 0:52:45.600
<v Speaker 1>them without the little little gray men from Turkey. What

0:52:45.680 --> 0:52:48.440
<v Speaker 1>would Israel do if they knew it was actually Turks fighting,

0:52:49.040 --> 0:52:50.200
<v Speaker 1>not Syrians fighting.

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<v Speaker 2>We've had this question asked about Russia. Russia was the

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<v Speaker 2>main was a major, major umbrella of that US said

0:52:59.360 --> 0:53:01.920
<v Speaker 2>that allowed out said to do what he did to Syria,

0:53:02.040 --> 0:53:04.960
<v Speaker 2>and if I provided him the air cover and intelligence

0:53:05.040 --> 0:53:07.359
<v Speaker 2>help and really what served as his air force during

0:53:07.400 --> 0:53:08.759
<v Speaker 2>the Syrian Civil War, and.

0:53:08.840 --> 0:53:10.600
<v Speaker 3>Israel desperately didn't want to have.

0:53:11.320 --> 0:53:15.040
<v Speaker 2>A military engagement with Russia, with the Russian military, And

0:53:15.360 --> 0:53:17.759
<v Speaker 2>what ended up happening was Israel and Russia developed very

0:53:17.800 --> 0:53:20.800
<v Speaker 2>close cooperation and Israel could bomb what it needed to

0:53:20.880 --> 0:53:23.600
<v Speaker 2>bomb in Syria, and even if it was Asad's own

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<v Speaker 2>military forces, if they were, for example, helping Iran, you know,

0:53:27.000 --> 0:53:30.600
<v Speaker 2>ship missiles to Chasbella. Well, Russia helped outside, but didn't

0:53:30.680 --> 0:53:33.799
<v Speaker 2>touch the Israelis the coordination, it was complicated.

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<v Speaker 3>I suspect that that's what will happen if that happens here.

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<v Speaker 1>So he did not sound alarmed at the end. I'm

0:53:41.160 --> 0:53:43.680
<v Speaker 1>very alarmed by what's going on in Syria. Would you

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<v Speaker 1>guess the average member of both parties leadership left and right, center,

0:53:49.040 --> 0:53:51.680
<v Speaker 1>left and center right are very alarmed by what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on in Syria. They're murdering the Kurage we're getting out

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<v Speaker 1>of there. President Trump does not care about it. What's

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<v Speaker 1>the level of concern in Israel about al Shara? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the debate over whether he is moderate is

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<v Speaker 2>a debate with a huge asterisk.

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<v Speaker 3>The man is al Kaieda, he was formerly al Qaeda.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think his relationship with his God and his

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<v Speaker 2>and his Qoran has changed fundamentally. I do think that

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<v Speaker 2>he has tremendous benefits to be gleaned from being moderate,

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<v Speaker 2>until he has benefits to be gleaned from not being moderated.

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<v Speaker 3>Very similar to aired one.

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<v Speaker 2>Aired One is the president of a serious major country,

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<v Speaker 2>a NATO member. He has a lot of benefits to

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<v Speaker 2>be gleaned from not becoming, you know, going down the

0:54:37.400 --> 0:54:40.440
<v Speaker 2>path of Muslim brotherhood in Egypt or in places like

0:54:40.520 --> 0:54:42.760
<v Speaker 2>Somalia where they demolish their own countries.

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<v Speaker 3>But that doesn't you know, but that doesn't mean he

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't he's not going to ultimately take the country there.

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<v Speaker 2>Turkey is not the democracy it was ten years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and in ten years from now, it will not be

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<v Speaker 2>the democracy it is today. And so Turkey is on

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<v Speaker 2>the decline, will continue to decline, and they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>try and.

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<v Speaker 3>Look moderate the whole time to not create blowback in

0:55:02.680 --> 0:55:03.120
<v Speaker 3>the system.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't trust the Shara, and Turkey has its

0:55:06.800 --> 0:55:09.839
<v Speaker 2>way in Syria anyway, and so this needs to start

0:55:09.880 --> 0:55:12.480
<v Speaker 2>treating Syria I think as part of Turkey and as

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<v Speaker 2>part of its major regional adversary.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with every word of that. Don't go anywhere, America.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna come right back with Aviv Reddy Gore. We're

0:55:20.200 --> 0:55:23.040
<v Speaker 1>gonnask him about Iran in the longer segment today, because

0:55:23.040 --> 0:55:26.680
<v Speaker 1>of course that's just go listen to the professor and

0:55:26.719 --> 0:55:30.319
<v Speaker 1>Aviv talk at Ask Aviv anything. Join his patreon by

0:55:30.320 --> 0:55:32.200
<v Speaker 1>the way, it's the only patreon of which I am

0:55:32.239 --> 0:55:36.680
<v Speaker 1>a member. I don't actually join in the discussions over there.

0:55:36.719 --> 0:55:39.120
<v Speaker 1>I just want to keep Aviv producing more. Asked a

0:55:39.200 --> 0:55:41.440
<v Speaker 1>Viv anything and read him at the Free Press. I'll

0:55:41.440 --> 0:55:43.200
<v Speaker 1>be right back with Aviv. Well, you can follow our

0:55:43.239 --> 0:55:46.760
<v Speaker 1>next by the way at pat Aviv Reddick Gore. Stay tuned.

0:55:50.200 --> 0:55:53.360
<v Speaker 1>Welcome back, American, Back with Aviv Reddick Gore. He is

0:55:53.440 --> 0:55:56.120
<v Speaker 1>the Middle East analyst for the Free Press. He's also

0:55:56.280 --> 0:55:59.200
<v Speaker 1>the host of ask Aviv Anything, a podcast you should

0:55:59.239 --> 0:56:03.160
<v Speaker 1>be listening to. He has a patreon, Askaviv Anything, which

0:56:03.160 --> 0:56:05.640
<v Speaker 1>you should support so we get more. Ask Kaviv Anything.

0:56:05.920 --> 0:56:10.480
<v Speaker 1>Widely regarded as among the top three or four analysts

0:56:10.640 --> 0:56:14.040
<v Speaker 1>working in Israel today Aviv. Everyone is trying to guess

0:56:14.360 --> 0:56:16.640
<v Speaker 1>what Iran is going to do in the United States

0:56:16.800 --> 0:56:19.160
<v Speaker 1>is going to do, But I haven't asked any Israelis

0:56:19.239 --> 0:56:21.719
<v Speaker 1>yet what they think is going to happen there. What

0:56:21.840 --> 0:56:23.040
<v Speaker 1>do you think is going to happen?

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<v Speaker 2>Then Iran is desperately trying to avoid anything happening. It

0:56:30.560 --> 0:56:33.879
<v Speaker 2>has such a huge problem in house. It has lost

0:56:33.960 --> 0:56:37.439
<v Speaker 2>fundamental legitimacy. It's not just because of the June war,

0:56:38.160 --> 0:56:40.240
<v Speaker 2>with the war with Israel and of course the American

0:56:40.280 --> 0:56:41.040
<v Speaker 2>strike on Florida.

0:56:41.480 --> 0:56:43.959
<v Speaker 3>It's not just that it has been for about fifteen years.

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<v Speaker 2>We've seen public protests that have been escalating, the early

0:56:48.239 --> 0:56:50.840
<v Speaker 2>protests against the regime. It's a regime in power forty

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<v Speaker 2>seven years, right, and it has kind of driven the

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<v Speaker 2>Iranian economy into the dirt. I mean, people should google

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<v Speaker 2>the Gdpeper capital of Iran. It's third world, even though

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<v Speaker 2>it sits on some of the largest hydrocarbon reserves on Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>And we've seen over the last fifteen years protests, and

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<v Speaker 2>they started out small sactoral, and they started out by

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<v Speaker 2>people demanding, for example, that their vote be counted, because

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<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and nine the election was said to

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<v Speaker 2>be rigged to get at Ladina jov In power. It

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<v Speaker 2>started out with people engaging the region demanding their rights

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<v Speaker 2>from the regime. Now it's about tearing down the regime.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're much more massive, and they're not sectoral, and

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<v Speaker 2>the economy is just in a state of disaster with

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<v Speaker 2>electricity shortages and water shortages. The Iranian regime has a

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<v Speaker 2>profound foundational legitimacy crisis internally. And the question is can

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<v Speaker 2>it afford now to continue that kind of belligerent attitude,

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<v Speaker 2>the unbelievably expensive belligerent attitude it's had in the region,

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<v Speaker 2>especially when the Israelis cleaned their clocks so easily. For

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<v Speaker 2>forty seven years, they've been preparing the destruction of Israel,

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<v Speaker 2>and in twelve days, the Israelis wiped them out, and

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<v Speaker 2>the Iranian Air Force couldn't even fly against the Israelis,

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<v Speaker 2>so they are desperate to avoid a Trump airstrike, more attacks.

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<v Speaker 2>Hamina disappeared, disappeared for the majority of the last eight months,

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<v Speaker 2>literally wasn't seen. He had this big show of showing

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<v Speaker 2>his face last week, and now he's disappeared again. He's terrified,

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<v Speaker 2>and so they're trying to avoid it, and they're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to move as many other issues off their plate because

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<v Speaker 2>they have to survive these protests and this legitimacy crisis,

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<v Speaker 2>especially after massacring apparently around thirty thousand of their own people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've been listening to a book Empire of Evil

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<v Speaker 1>by Mark Zelensky on the I mean Revolutionary Guard Corps

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<v Speaker 1>i RGC. They're not going to change. They're going to

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<v Speaker 1>stay who they are. And we saw who they were

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<v Speaker 1>on January ninth when they murdered thirty eight thousand people.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've set people to look at him. Meet Segaal's

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<v Speaker 1>site today because he has a video of a besie.

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<v Speaker 1>He's just executing a young man who's holding trying to

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<v Speaker 1>keep them out. It's like a college kid. He's a

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<v Speaker 1>high school kid. So they murdered thirty five thousand high

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<v Speaker 1>school kids. That's who they are. I don't think they

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<v Speaker 1>can back down. They'll never give up their ballistic missiles right.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they'll They'll never give up anything unless forced to

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<v Speaker 2>at the last. And they will never change, and they

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<v Speaker 2>will never release their.

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<v Speaker 3>Grip on power.

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<v Speaker 2>The only way to get any change in Iran is

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<v Speaker 2>to have such immense levers of influence over the regime

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<v Speaker 2>terrify it literally existentially to get it to change. But

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<v Speaker 2>once you've reached that point where you can terrify it existentially,

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<v Speaker 2>whant to just make the killing blow. And so the

0:59:34.800 --> 0:59:38.280
<v Speaker 2>Iranian regime is all it is. It will murder half

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<v Speaker 2>of Iran on its way down.

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<v Speaker 3>It is committed to it.

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<v Speaker 2>It is of the kind it's different from Hamas, it's

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<v Speaker 2>different from Belign some slight ways is very close to it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's actually basically a branch of the IRGC, but it

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<v Speaker 2>is of a type with other Islamist organizations like those

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<v Speaker 2>in the sense that it is utterly suicidal.

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<v Speaker 3>It will bring Iranian society.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with that. So I want to tell you

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<v Speaker 1>what I think is going to happen and have you

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<v Speaker 1>critique it, which is I think President Trump is waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for the THAD batteries to deploy in every possible air

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<v Speaker 1>defense weapon to get to Israel and our other Golf

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<v Speaker 1>count Cooperation Council allies, and then we're going to begin

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<v Speaker 1>a campaign to end that regime by bombing, not unlike

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<v Speaker 1>that that was in Serbia, not unlike that that was

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<v Speaker 1>in Libya, only this time with better precision, better bombing,

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<v Speaker 1>better weapons. And that will go on as long as

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<v Speaker 1>it takes to go on for them to cry uncle.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I think is going to happen. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you think, Gosh?

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<v Speaker 3>I hope so, Hugh, you talked to the president. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't talk to the president.

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<v Speaker 2>I very much hope that that sense of American intentions

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<v Speaker 2>is what's going to happen. One of the things that

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<v Speaker 2>we've seen on Iran from this White House is the

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<v Speaker 2>ability to do very good misdirection without leaks, very clever.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the airplanes are flying in the wrong direction

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<v Speaker 2>and then suddenly the bomb lands.

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<v Speaker 3>We saw that in the attack in June.

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<v Speaker 2>So the fact that President Trump's preparing the bomb doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily mean he's going to do it. And the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that and if we see him starting to pull back

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<v Speaker 2>the forces, that might be the moment he does it.

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<v Speaker 2>We've already seen him act in those ways, and the

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<v Speaker 2>Iranians miscalculated several times with him, and so I think

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<v Speaker 2>now that they're very, very wary and afraid. I tend

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<v Speaker 2>to agree with you. You know, we've heard from the

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<v Speaker 2>Saudis a sense of real desperate vulnerability. Iran's ability to

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<v Speaker 2>hit Israel it exists. It's important.

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<v Speaker 3>They could.

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<v Speaker 2>They could wipe out city blocks in Israeli cities, but

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<v Speaker 2>they can't do more than that. Whereas their ability to

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<v Speaker 2>shatter the entirety of the Saudi oil spase and in

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<v Speaker 2>economy is they have that shorter range, they have many

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<v Speaker 2>many more missiles. The Arsenal is much larger than their

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<v Speaker 2>larger range missiles that they need to attack Israel. And

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<v Speaker 2>so the Saudis are absolutely terrified. And the Saudis are saying, apparently, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we're hearing this from leaks and secondary sources. They're saying,

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<v Speaker 2>please please, please take him out, please please please attacked us.

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<v Speaker 5>When you do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that what you just described makes perfect sense,

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<v Speaker 2>And the fact that it's coming from you tells me

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<v Speaker 2>maybe there's maybe that is If that makes sense to you,

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<v Speaker 2>that makes sense to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, don't overestimate how much I know. I don't know much.

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<v Speaker 1>I expected him to go much sooner than this, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the delay happened. But I the way that I

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<v Speaker 1>read Trump as he says he and then not a

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<v Speaker 1>B and then not be and then he does Z.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's it's completely possible that nothing will happen. But

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<v Speaker 1>for him to have to risk a comparison with President

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<v Speaker 1>Obama is I think for him existential political peril and

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<v Speaker 1>historical peril. We got a minute to break, So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to give your credit and come back and ask

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<v Speaker 1>you do you think he risks comparison with President Obama?

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<v Speaker 1>If he doesn't, ask, don't go anywhere America. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to wrap up today's show talking to a viv Ready Gore.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to America. I'm Hugh Ewett. The close today's show.

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<v Speaker 1>If in fact, we're hammering Iran and we're doing our

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<v Speaker 1>best to save damage to Saudi Arabia, UAE and Israel.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's going well. Because when we want to hammer someone,

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<v Speaker 1>we're using the b toos. We can hammer someone a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>What happens in Iran afterwards, if in fact the regime falls,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you expect? What happened?

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<v Speaker 2>This is the multi billion dollar question. Nobody knows. Nobody knows.

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<v Speaker 2>Iranians don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>The Iranian regime itself doesn't know who would replace it.

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<v Speaker 2>It has spent forty seven years doing nothing but destroying

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<v Speaker 2>all basis of power that could possibly replace it. There

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<v Speaker 2>are a great many Iranians apparently, it's hard to measure

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<v Speaker 2>these things. There's chaos, there's internet blackouts. A great many

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<v Speaker 2>Iranians are hoping the king, the son of the of

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<v Speaker 2>the Shaw, returns Raza Palavi, even just in a symbolic role,

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<v Speaker 2>just as a kind of a kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>totem around which you can organize the rest of politics.

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<v Speaker 2>So not even not even as a constitutional monarch specifically,

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<v Speaker 2>but as some organizing principle around which you can build

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<v Speaker 2>a replacement.

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<v Speaker 3>Who has the power to do it? Nobody? And what

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<v Speaker 3>does that tell you? It tells you that elements of

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<v Speaker 3>the regime will replace the regime.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, this is a bad thing because what we had,

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<v Speaker 2>for example in Russia, Russia falls, the Soviet Union falls,

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<v Speaker 2>and what replaces it is this Yeltsin.

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<v Speaker 3>Guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Now Yeltin builds out a democracy that isn't really a democracy,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a klyptocracy that guts the economy and doesn't actually

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<v Speaker 2>set Russia on a new path toward the competent, serious democracy.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the return of the Soviet Union in the

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<v Speaker 2>midst of all that chaos. And if Yeltsin's an ability

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<v Speaker 2>to run Russia, you basically have a KGB retaking.

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<v Speaker 3>To bring order, and that is Putin and his group

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<v Speaker 3>of about I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Ten fifteen former KGB colonels who basically have run Russia

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<v Speaker 2>ever since. And so you could see a kind of

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<v Speaker 2>de islamized IRGC infrastructure or de Islamized running an army infrastructure,

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<v Speaker 2>retaking the regime after Now, if that happens, last point,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not necessarily a terrible thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>A Western oriented dictatorship can democratize.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what South Korea's story is all about. That's what

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<v Speaker 3>many many countries had.

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<v Speaker 2>That Argentina, Argentina in Latin America there are a few examples,

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<v Speaker 2>and so better that than this Islamism that will gut

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<v Speaker 2>the regime while setting the region on fire roughly every

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<v Speaker 2>ten years.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we'll gut the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Excuse me, haveviv on that note of agreement. I hope

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<v Speaker 1>we end up with a military regime that's transitional to democracy,

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<v Speaker 1>but that might be ten years, provided they give us

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<v Speaker 1>the missiles and all their glowing material buried under Fodor.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll check in with you in another month. In the meantime,

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<v Speaker 1>please keep pumping out, askavieve anything. Today's was magnificent because

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<v Speaker 1>you're asked. The professor was magnificent, and you asked the

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<v Speaker 1>right question, and you got excited with him.

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<v Speaker 5>He wasn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Can I just say go ahead? He's tells me for

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<v Speaker 3>many years. You asked about Obama. I want to say

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<v Speaker 3>something about President Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>You asked me, if President Trump doesn't bomd me wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>what happens can be compared to President Obama. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to be very clear about this, and I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to step into American politics, and I don't know half

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<v Speaker 2>the topics that are setting American politics on fire. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to say, just in the context of the wrong issue.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing President Trump Trump does with I wrong will ever

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<v Speaker 2>bring him down to the level of the disaster that

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<v Speaker 2>the j CPI represented.

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<v Speaker 3>The fact that the j CPI said that they can

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<v Speaker 3>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Inspects can always go anywhere, but then there was a

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four hour period where they would have to have

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<v Speaker 2>a consultation over whether they.

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<v Speaker 3>Would go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that it didn't concern the ballistic missile program,

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that it released fifty two hundred billion dollars

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<v Speaker 2>for the IRGC, which.

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<v Speaker 3>We're invested in it because bla just to the signing bonus.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that most of the major provisions ended by

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<v Speaker 2>now would have already ended history continued ten years, fifteen years,

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<v Speaker 2>is just kicking the can down the road. That is

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<v Speaker 2>not President Trump. President Trump has already caused more damage

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<v Speaker 2>to Pordo said back that program more than all the

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<v Speaker 2>President Obama's deals ever could. And so no, even if Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>in my view, for example, he hasn't But even if

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<v Speaker 2>I decide that he screwed this up and didn't do

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<v Speaker 2>the right thing, he will still have been much better

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<v Speaker 2>on this issue than President Obama, who has a lot

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<v Speaker 2>to answer for. He has thirty seven thousand Iranians to

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<v Speaker 2>apologize to well.

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