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Speaker 1: I'm doing you a live in relief Factor at Studio West.
Speaker 1: I had just wrapped up talking to Aviv Reddi Gore.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to play it for you until the
Speaker 1: end of the program because I do a little postop
Speaker 1: on it. But we did have one exchange at the
Speaker 1: end which I want to leave. We're talking about Iran
Speaker 1: and what President Trump will do or not do. I said,
Speaker 1: is there anything that can President Trump follow the level
Speaker 1: of President Obama? In your eyes? If he doesn't do anything?
Speaker 1: And here's what Aviv had to say about that. I'm
Speaker 1: back with Aviv Reddick Gore. Aviv, what were you going
Speaker 1: to say about President Obama?
Speaker 2: You asked me, if President Trump doesn't boond you, what
Speaker 2: happens can be compared to President Obama. I want to
Speaker 2: be very clear about this, and I don't want to
Speaker 2: step into American politics, and I don't know half the
Speaker 2: topics that are setting American politics on fire.
Speaker 3: I'm going to say, just in the.
Speaker 2: Context of the irong issue, nothing President Trump Trump does
Speaker 2: with Iroan will ever bring him down to the level
Speaker 2: of the disaster that the j CPI represented.
Speaker 3: The fact that the j CPI said that they can.
Speaker 2: You know, inspectors can always go anywhere, but then there
Speaker 2: was a twenty four hour period where they would have
Speaker 2: to have a consultation over whether they would go anywhere.
Speaker 2: The fact that it didn't concern the ballistic missile program,
Speaker 2: the fact that it released fifty to one hundred billion
Speaker 2: dollars for the IRGC, which we're invested in it because
Speaker 2: Bella just to the signing bonus. The fact that most
Speaker 2: of the major provisions ended by now would have already
Speaker 2: ended history continued ten years.
Speaker 3: Fifteen years, is just kicking the can down the road.
Speaker 2: That is not President Trump. President Trump has already caused
Speaker 2: more damage Tofordo said, back to that program, more than
Speaker 2: all the President Obama's deals ever could.
Speaker 3: And so no, even if Trump, in my view, for example,
Speaker 3: he hasn't.
Speaker 2: But even if I decide that he screwed this up
Speaker 2: and didn't do the right thing. He will still have
Speaker 2: been much better on this issue than President Obama, who
Speaker 2: has a lot to answer for. He has thirty seven
Speaker 2: thousand Iranians to apologize.
Speaker 1: Too, well said, and I will that's the end of
Speaker 1: the interview. That was a little tack on to the interview,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to start today's show. We'll play the
Speaker 1: interview in our three today. But because we timed it
Speaker 1: for that, we got a lot to do earlier than that,
Speaker 1: beginning with what President Trump said on Air Force one
Speaker 1: last night. But the big question today is what is
Speaker 1: President Trump going to do via be Iran? And you'll
Speaker 1: hear what I think throughout the course of the show
Speaker 1: and when Aviv thinks an hour number three, but we'd
Speaker 1: run out of time. We were in the promo part
Speaker 1: of the broadcast, so I just tape that in order
Speaker 1: so you could hear him. Compare President Trump and President
Speaker 1: Obama and that last stinger, President Obama has thirty seven
Speaker 1: thousand dead Airanians to apologize to. Is absolutely right, boy,
Speaker 1: the JCPOA it was a nightmare now, President Trump on
Speaker 1: Air Force one last night on Iran Cut number sixteen.
Speaker 3: Help being a work where you're picking it right now.
Speaker 4: For for money if you work or I.
Speaker 5: Have madam spending on what you want to do.
Speaker 6: I mean, I certainly can't tell you that, but we
Speaker 6: do have very being powerful ships and hitting of that
Speaker 6: direct issue.
Speaker 7: I can't tell you of the media, but I.
Speaker 6: Hope they negotiate something that's accepted.
Speaker 1: A lot of big, powerful ships heading that way. But
Speaker 1: I can't tell you what they're going to do. This
Speaker 1: morning he talked to Dan Scavina, who's back on his podcast,
Speaker 1: Cut number seventeen.
Speaker 8: The rig estate, but we just stopped that and what
Speaker 8: we did with it, and don't forget I got Solimani,
Speaker 8: I got al bag Daddy in my first term. Two
Speaker 8: of the the worst ever, the worst seven, the biggest
Speaker 8: of the worst. One was the founder of vices.
Speaker 9: He was rebuilding it.
Speaker 8: I took him book.
Speaker 1: And the other one was the.
Speaker 8: Father of the roadside mom and the lead of Let
Speaker 8: me tell if he lived, he was a leader, the
Speaker 8: military leader of Ran. If he lived, that attack that
Speaker 8: we made on Iran would.
Speaker 4: Not have been the same thing.
Speaker 1: He was a great general and they don't have that name.
Speaker 1: He also went on to talk on our fourt one
Speaker 1: about a number of different subjects. Let's play him right now.
Speaker 1: Cut number three. As he's talking about protesters attacking federal agents.
Speaker 3: Of protests.
Speaker 10: What did you mean when you said people will suffer
Speaker 10: an equal reader a possible.
Speaker 6: If they do anything bad to our people, they will
Speaker 6: be they will have to suffer.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: If they start.
Speaker 6: Spitting in people's faces, watching our people, watching our soldiers
Speaker 6: or patriots, they will get taken care of in at
Speaker 6: least an equal way. They're not going to.
Speaker 3: Do that, like you know, you see it the way
Speaker 3: they treat our people.
Speaker 6: And I said, you're allowed if somebody does that, you
Speaker 6: can do something back. You know, going to stand there
Speaker 6: and take it. If somebody spits in your face, that
Speaker 6: will not be a pleasant thing for the person that's face.
Speaker 6: We're not letting people spit in our soul, in his
Speaker 6: face as they stand at attention.
Speaker 3: And they're aren't allowed to do anything.
Speaker 6: If they throw bricks at a car and you know,
Speaker 6: one of our very expensive vehicles, they're going to be
Speaker 6: met with.
Speaker 5: Very very serious words. I believe him.
Speaker 1: And by the way, spinning is an assault and battery.
Speaker 1: So they have the right to take them into custody.
Speaker 1: Cut number four on Air Force one, telling you about
Speaker 1: China and Canada. I'm going to.
Speaker 6: Canada's here, sir, that you talked about her that was
Speaker 6: coming well, that was on the airplege.
Speaker 3: You're talking about about the China deal of people.
Speaker 6: Look, if they do a deal with China, yeah, they'll
Speaker 6: do something very substantial because we can't look and have
Speaker 6: a great relationship with China person achieve and we don't
Speaker 6: want China to take over Canada. And if they make
Speaker 6: the deal that he's looking to make, China will take
Speaker 6: over Canada. And the first thing they're going to do
Speaker 6: and ice hockey.
Speaker 1: He does not want China to take over Canada. I
Speaker 1: think even my Canadian friends agree with him on that.
Speaker 1: Last night, last clip Cuba. Donald Trump talks about Cuba
Speaker 1: on Air Force one last night, cut number six.
Speaker 6: We're starting to talk to cub Yeah, we're starting. He
Speaker 6: tells you if they need help, what a humanitarian basis
Speaker 6: that we're starting to talk to Cuba.
Speaker 3: I would look, if we get a lot.
Speaker 6: Of people that live in our country treated very badly
Speaker 6: by human and we want them to be They all
Speaker 6: voted for me, and we want them to be treated well.
Speaker 6: Would like to be able to have them go back
Speaker 6: to vote to their country, which they haven't seen the
Speaker 6: family they country for many, many decades. So we were
Speaker 6: about I'll be able to work.
Speaker 1: What's going on with Cube is that they're out of everything.
Speaker 1: They have no energy, no economy, blackout. They're like Iran,
Speaker 1: they're falling apart. Uh, we might have to push Iran,
Speaker 1: we don't have to push Cuba. Cuba is falling apart now.
Speaker 1: Former Secretary of State Mike BOMPEII was on Channel thirteen
Speaker 1: News in Israel and had this to say about a
Speaker 1: potential deal with Iran.
Speaker 7: I've heard it talks about a deal or there's no chance.
Speaker 3: I've dealt with this regime.
Speaker 7: They may agree to something, but they've broken every deal
Speaker 7: they've ever signed up for, including the superd deal we
Speaker 7: got into under President Obama for the nuclear deal, right,
Speaker 7: they were violating at the very day that was signed.
Speaker 7: I don't see that that will actually create the opportunity
Speaker 7: that I think creates prosperity and security.
Speaker 11: Here in the region, and that'd be great for America too.
Speaker 12: So you think that taking old circumstances United States need
Speaker 12: So I talk to you ran again, We'll need.
Speaker 3: To put more pressure on. There are many tools by
Speaker 3: which one can do that.
Speaker 7: But it cannot be the case that the Iranian people
Speaker 7: who took all the risks that they took and went
Speaker 7: to the streets to do something that was in America's
Speaker 7: best interest as well. There's no way to get americasecurity
Speaker 7: and keep our young men and women from having to
Speaker 7: fight and die in this region so long as the
Speaker 7: Ayatola is in charge.
Speaker 12: So do you see a scenario whereas in the current situation,
Speaker 12: the United States will not attack militarany.
Speaker 7: Sure, sure, the Iranian people may rise up again and
Speaker 7: there may be no need for such a thing, right.
Speaker 7: I mean, it's possible that someone in the besiege, some general,
Speaker 7: some higher GC official will decide they're not going to
Speaker 7: kill their cousins, They're not going to kill their family
Speaker 7: members anymore. I mean, this is Iranians killing Iranians. We
Speaker 7: all want peace, but we also know that you can't
Speaker 7: have peace in this region so long as the Ayatola.
Speaker 3: Is in charge.
Speaker 1: And then General Jack Kane on Fox News with Gillian
Speaker 1: Turner cut number fifteen from yesterday, Well, it is no.
Speaker 4: Doubt about that I mean, listen, the history of our
Speaker 4: presidents with this regime is really something. Seven of the presidents,
Speaker 4: not counting President trumpet dealt with this regime. Three of
Speaker 4: them did not retaliate after they killed scores of Americans.
Speaker 4: Three presidents, two Republicans, one Democrat, All seven of them,
Speaker 4: during their tenure let the Iranian regime grow and increase
Speaker 4: in strength and also to destabilize the Middle East. Four
Speaker 4: years Trump came in the first administration, killed the iconic
Speaker 4: free you cost him Sola money, nobody else that touched him,
Speaker 4: and he asked the briefer, why haven't we killed him before?
Speaker 4: Now he's planning to kill more Americans? So because everybody
Speaker 4: feared the consequences of that act. And now he's taken
Speaker 4: down their nuclear program as well. This is the first
Speaker 4: president that directly confronted the regime. Now he has the
Speaker 4: opportunity to finish them, and I think you're going to
Speaker 4: take that up.
Speaker 1: I believe he didn't take that opportunity too. I don't
Speaker 1: know anything. People think I talked to the president. I don't.
Speaker 1: I talked to the President on air on the record.
Speaker 1: He doesn't call me up and ask my advice, and
Speaker 1: I wouldn't tell you if he did, but he doesn't.
Speaker 1: And people who talk about talking to the president usually
Speaker 1: talking through their hat. So I like to be very
Speaker 1: humble about that. I don't. I write columns that get
Speaker 1: to him, and I get him back with scribbles on
Speaker 1: him saying not so good, really good, that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: But what I think is going to happen is you've
Speaker 1: got to get every I've posted this on my ex account.
Speaker 1: He's got to give every NI aircraft battery, every thad,
Speaker 1: every arrow, every patriot system in the Middle East he can,
Speaker 1: and then he and Israel and maybe the UAE and
Speaker 1: maybe the Saudi Air Forces have to bomb Iran into
Speaker 1: a regime change, maybe the military takes over. But they
Speaker 1: got to get rid of the Itolis because those people
Speaker 1: are fanatics and they just killed thirty seven thousand of
Speaker 1: their own people. Stay by. I got lots coming up
Speaker 1: right here on the uuite show, on a Ranch.
Speaker 10: Free Leader today that that U hat could start a
Speaker 10: regional war, giving you funks.
Speaker 3: That boy wouldn't be sit she would to say that.
Speaker 5: But we have the biggest worst offleships in the world.
Speaker 6: Over there, very close a couple of days that hopefully
Speaker 6: we'll make a deal.
Speaker 1: We don't make a deal, then we'll.
Speaker 3: Find out whether or not he was ready.
Speaker 1: Welcome back, America, And here you are joined by doctor
Speaker 1: Michael Orrin, former Israeli Ambassador to the United States, head
Speaker 1: of the Israeli Advocacy Group, Ambassador Orren, Welcome back. I
Speaker 1: don't believe there's a deal to be had here because
Speaker 1: I don't believe the IATOLA and the IRGC will give
Speaker 1: up their missiles or their nukes. And how long do
Speaker 1: you think it will take to get to that point?
Speaker 11: Not too far, not too long.
Speaker 13: Let's go back to last, oh, last February, when during
Speaker 13: a visit of the Prime Minister mess Now to the
Speaker 13: White House, President Trump announced that he would be opening
Speaker 13: direct negotiations with the ir Adians and he gave me
Speaker 13: a deal, basically said no en Richmond zero and Richmond,
Speaker 13: the ir Adians sort of twisted.
Speaker 11: His tail for a long time, and then they found out,
Speaker 11: you can't do that with this president.
Speaker 13: You maybe do that with some previous presidents, but not
Speaker 13: with this one. And they've learned the hard way. The
Speaker 13: question is have they internalized that lesson? Do they feel
Speaker 13: they have the upper hand in this negotiation. And I'll
Speaker 13: explain why. On one hand, you've got all these presumptive
Speaker 13: allies of the United States, Saudi Arabia, Ua, Bahrain, Oman,
Speaker 13: Turkey telling the United States, you know, don't do this,
Speaker 13: don't get involved in what can spark a regional war,
Speaker 13: just for that question being put to the to the
Speaker 13: president of mar A Lago and even Israel. At some
Speaker 13: point President Prime Minister n Now calling the President saying,
Speaker 13: you know, wait, wait just a bit until you get
Speaker 13: your forces built up in that region. But now is
Speaker 13: not saying don't do it. He's just saying, do it.
Speaker 11: When you can actually make an impact. That's a lot
Speaker 11: of pressure on the president.
Speaker 13: There's domestic pressures on the president as well, and the
Speaker 13: need to build up those forces.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 13: I know the President has talked about a giant armada
Speaker 13: in the Middle East, but right now there's one aircraft
Speaker 13: carrier there, plus assortment of destroyers and bombers. But keep
Speaker 13: in mind Biden has sent two aircraft carriers to them,
Speaker 13: at least the fourth in the Eisenhower.
Speaker 11: So you got one aircraft effort, the Abraham Lincoln. You
Speaker 11: really need some more.
Speaker 13: An aircraft carrier carries about I think about ninety planes,
Speaker 13: about seventy of them are our attack plans. And that's
Speaker 13: to take on a country of ninety million people with
Speaker 13: an army of about one point five million people.
Speaker 11: It's a hard it's a hard, hard pull at the
Speaker 11: pull that that through.
Speaker 13: So you have to build up those fourvices even more.
Speaker 13: And you always have to be worried about the Sheffield factor.
Speaker 13: Do you remember this, you were old enough together. Remember
Speaker 13: the Falklands War nineteen eighty.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, a lucky shot, lucky shot, a lucky shot.
Speaker 13: They fired an Exo set, a French made ex Visil
Speaker 13: that hits the HMS Sheffield and cause the largest damage
Speaker 13: to a British warships in World War Two. You gotta
Speaker 13: get missiles flying at American warships from the Hoodies, from
Speaker 13: the Syrian and RAQI about rebels Assyrian Iraq from and
Speaker 13: of course from Iran itself, which has a very large
Speaker 13: drone and missile capability.
Speaker 11: So if you go down that route of.
Speaker 13: A military option, you got to make sure you have
Speaker 13: that massive build up in the Middle East.
Speaker 11: And from what I can gather here, it's not there yet.
Speaker 1: What I read in the journal yesterday, and I'm using
Speaker 1: open sources. Only I don't know anything. Is that all
Speaker 1: the F fifteen's we can gather are there, and they're
Speaker 1: good for the drones and some missiles. Our every FAD
Speaker 1: battery we've got is on its way there or already there.
Speaker 1: And that's to protect primarily Saudi Arabia and UAE, not Israel.
Speaker 1: And that Mark Montgomery ed Mon Montgomery told me last
Speaker 1: week he's going to bet his life that there's at
Speaker 1: least one Boomer there with their tomahawk compliment of hundreds
Speaker 1: of Tomahawk. So if we send our B twos at
Speaker 1: the same time, we can simultaneous, even without the Israeli
Speaker 1: Air Force, which I'm counting on, we can hit hundreds
Speaker 1: of targets at the same time repeatedly. If the Israeli
Speaker 1: Air Force joins in, they're not going to get anything
Speaker 1: off the ground. That's what I think when he said,
Speaker 1: we'll see if he's right. What how many he threatened
Speaker 1: was a regional war. I don't think he can fight
Speaker 1: a war on your back, can you.
Speaker 13: I don't understand why they say regional war. Where does
Speaker 13: region come into this. Who's going to join Iran at
Speaker 13: this point? What friends do they have? In the world
Speaker 13: truly enough, the Chinese, not the Russians. There's nobody in
Speaker 13: the Middle East, so it's not a regional war. You're
Speaker 13: going to have terrorist organizations like the booties, like the terrorists,
Speaker 13: and Syria and Iraq firing missiles.
Speaker 11: That is not a regional war.
Speaker 13: And you know, for Israel perspective, we have to be
Speaker 13: very careful of course, to the charge that we're trying
Speaker 13: to push the United States into a war.
Speaker 11: But Israel has an interest, and the interest has to
Speaker 11: be stated is this.
Speaker 13: It's not just eliminating Iran's nuclear program or eliminating its
Speaker 13: its enrichment capabilities, but we need to eliminate the missile capabilities,
Speaker 13: which are huge, and to stop grand support for terrorism
Speaker 13: throughout the Middle East and indeed the entire world.
Speaker 9: Entire world.
Speaker 1: I think Britany says regional war, he means hitting Saudi Arabia,
Speaker 1: and I think I don't think Israel isn't as much
Speaker 1: is as vulnerable as Saudi Arabia as do you.
Speaker 13: I do, And I think the President has to make
Speaker 13: a call because Saudi Arabia is saying that it's not
Speaker 13: going to let its airspace be used by American aircraft. Okay,
Speaker 13: so I know it seems to me the deals you've
Speaker 13: cut two ways. We'll defend you if you're willing to
Speaker 13: support us. But that's a call I guess that the
Speaker 13: White House has to make. It's a tough one. But
Speaker 13: Israel will be there, and you're talking about a very
Speaker 13: formidable air force that has succeeded in penetrating Iran's nuclear
Speaker 13: air defenses again and again and again. The Isral the
Speaker 13: air force, you'll recall, conducted literally hundreds of thousands of
Speaker 13: mile sorties during the last war and we didn't lose
Speaker 13: a single airplane. And the Iranians have to take that
Speaker 13: into consideration. If we can hit the ballistic missile launchers.
Speaker 13: Iran may have one thousand, five hundred very large ballistic missiles,
Speaker 13: each with a warhead of about two hundred kilograms of TNT.
Speaker 11: That's huge.
Speaker 13: It takes down not just a building, a take down
Speaker 13: a neighborhood. But they're going to have a limited number
Speaker 13: of launchers. So if they don't launchers, those ballistic missiles
Speaker 13: are worth nothing. Are on the ground. So if we
Speaker 13: know who the launchers are and we can hit them
Speaker 13: very very quickly, then Iran is literally literally a sitting duck.
Speaker 1: Okay, one question before the break. I'd like to hold
Speaker 1: you over to ask you about Turkey after the break.
Speaker 1: The question before the break has to do with how
Speaker 1: much damage one or two of those ballistic missiles can
Speaker 1: do to Israel. Can they get near the most sensitive
Speaker 1: parts of Israel.
Speaker 13: Well, the assumption here is that Iran during the last
Speaker 13: war and last June fired mostly at military targets. Sometimes
Speaker 13: they missed in his civilian targets, including two very near
Speaker 13: my house, and at this time they would aim for
Speaker 13: civilian targets.
Speaker 11: And those missiles are so large.
Speaker 13: A Jamas rockets Buller rocket carries between fifteen and twenty
Speaker 13: kilograms of TATS. This is ten times as powerful. And
Speaker 13: many of us, as you know, have safe rooms within
Speaker 13: our house. Those rate rooms become almost ineffective in defending
Speaker 13: us against those type of missiles because they take down,
Speaker 13: as I said before, not just an apartment, They take
Speaker 13: down a.
Speaker 11: Building and even a name. They're huge, and so we
Speaker 11: have to move.
Speaker 13: Very very swiftly to interdict them, and particularly to destroy
Speaker 13: those launchers.
Speaker 1: That's why I think the FADS have to get there.
Speaker 1: The high altitude interceptors along with your arrow too. When
Speaker 1: I come back, I'm going to ask doctor Oran about
Speaker 1: what I talked with Vive reddy Gore about, which is Turkey.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned, welcome back to me. I'm Hugh hewittt back
Speaker 1: with doctor Michael Orran, Doctor Orran. Earlier today I talked
Speaker 1: to Eve reddy Gore who had just interviewed doctor Dan Shifton,
Speaker 1: who's probably a friend of yours as well, and they
Speaker 1: were talking about Turkey and whether or not Turkey presented
Speaker 1: a threat through a puppet state in Syria. Aviv seems
Speaker 1: to think very much so, the good doctor not so much.
Speaker 6: So.
Speaker 1: What does doctor Michael Ran think?
Speaker 13: And I deeply respect and admire both Dan and Aviv.
Speaker 13: I'll take them middle line and that is yes, Turkish
Speaker 13: influence will increase markedly in Syria.
Speaker 11: You have a former al Qaeda leader there Al Shara,
Speaker 11: who's going.
Speaker 13: To be close to the Muslim brotherhood outlook of mister
Speaker 13: Iridiwan president of.
Speaker 11: Turkey. But keep in mind that the Turks are not
Speaker 11: the Iranians, and Irwan is.
Speaker 13: Not Kameeni ha Many is viewed as a religious spiritual leader,
Speaker 13: not just a political leader by by the world of Shiism.
Speaker 13: By Shiites wherever they are, what they're in Lebanon, in Syria,
Speaker 13: in Iraq. Iran does not is not a spiritual figure.
Speaker 13: He is a political leader, and moreover, he doesn't command
Speaker 13: that type of allegiance from Sunni Arabs and Syria being
Speaker 13: mostly Sunni. But beyond that, Ian has other has another
Speaker 13: facet to him. He's not just a Muslim brotherhood Islamist.
Speaker 13: He is also a neo Ottomanist who deeply believes that
Speaker 13: the peoples of the Middle East yearn profoundly for the
Speaker 13: return of the Ottoman Empire. And I'm not exaggerating some
Speaker 13: of the statements that have come out of Ankara that
Speaker 13: people in Baghdad and people in i'm on just want
Speaker 13: nothing more than the.
Speaker 11: Turks to come back. He lives in that illusion. It's
Speaker 11: not true. No one is actually yearning.
Speaker 13: For the return of the Ottoman Empire anywhere in the
Speaker 13: least that I know of, And so his influence will
Speaker 13: not be as profound as for say, Hamenies was in
Speaker 13: Lebanon through his Blah with Shiite majority or the largest
Speaker 13: largest ethnic community in Lebanon where Shiite, or in Iraq
Speaker 13: where Shiites are in the majority, or in the Gulf
Speaker 13: A certain countries do have a shit majority, it's not
Speaker 13: the same magnitude of threat. There's also been problems historically
Speaker 13: between the leadership in Ankara and the Turkish army.
Speaker 11: They don't trust one another.
Speaker 13: Occasionally Irduwano will conduct very large scale, painful purges of
Speaker 13: his own military. And I think if you look over
Speaker 13: historically over the last fifty sixty years, the Turkish army,
Speaker 13: though it is very, very powerful and very well armed,
Speaker 13: has generally underperformed and there's a reason for that.
Speaker 1: So you're not worried about Al Shara starting a war
Speaker 1: with Israel armed with Turkish weapons.
Speaker 13: First of all, I don't know what Turkish weapons are,
Speaker 13: so generally NATO weapons they are, and that'll be and
Speaker 13: keeping by the early one is also a member of NATO,
Speaker 13: and that's also a check on him. You know, he
Speaker 13: plays around with NATO, He gets some Russian anti aircraft systems.
Speaker 11: And tries to play both sides. At the end of
Speaker 11: the day, A check there with you.
Speaker 13: Large military military American military basis in Turkey. America didn't
Speaker 13: have large military bases in Iran. So no, I'm not
Speaker 13: concerned about I am concerned about expanding Turkish influence not
Speaker 13: just in Syria but elsewhere in the release.
Speaker 11: How about Gaza for example.
Speaker 13: Uh And we have to work to make sure that
Speaker 13: we're not replacing the Iranian access of resistance with the
Speaker 13: Turkish hamas Katari access of resistance.
Speaker 11: So no, I'm not worried, but we have to be
Speaker 11: on our guard.
Speaker 1: Doctor Michael Horn always good to talk to you. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Mornerglorian even Grace America. I'mh you and and the Relief
Speaker 1: Actor Studio West joined by Bethany Mandel. Bethany is our
Speaker 1: weekly guest for the perspective of the mom wors dot
Speaker 1: substack dot com. That's her substact, the Momworth dot substact
Speaker 1: dot com. Bethany, I'm talking with everyone about Iran, but
Speaker 1: before I do that, your reaction to the verdict of
Speaker 1: medical malpractice against the doctor who performed breast removal surgery
Speaker 1: on a girl who was transitioning and then decided it
Speaker 1: was a big mistake. What did you make of that case?
Speaker 10: I think that it's potentially a watershed moment. When so
Speaker 10: I wrote a book called Stolen Youth with Carol Markowitz,
Speaker 10: came out almost exactly three years ago and the doctors
Speaker 10: and clinicians that I spoke to who had real misgivings
Speaker 10: on an ethics standpoint with gender identity stuff with kids.
Speaker 10: The one thing they all said in unison was this
Speaker 10: house of cards is going to fall when the lawsuits start,
Speaker 10: and a lot of them compared it to the tobacco
Speaker 10: lawsuits that really changed the way big tobacco operated in America.
Speaker 10: And I think that this is this is the starting point.
Speaker 10: There was a great piece in the Free press about
Speaker 10: it today. But Chloe Cole, who's another detransitionary, another young
Speaker 10: woman who believed herself to be a man for a
Speaker 10: number of years and then transitioned back to being a woman,
Speaker 10: She's filed a lawsuit as well. The issue for doctors,
Speaker 10: both surgeons and psychiatrists who have engaged in this is
Speaker 10: that it's all scient anti science, it's all gobblegook, and
Speaker 10: so they will have had to prove that they did
Speaker 10: their due diligence and that the children were able to
Speaker 10: give informed consent, and they won't be able to do that.
Speaker 10: And so I do think it's a house of cards.
Speaker 10: And this is the first one that's following.
Speaker 1: So do you have any data yet? And I don't
Speaker 1: have any way of figuring this out. I thought maybe
Speaker 1: you would have the insurance company stopped covering doctors who
Speaker 1: perferend hospitals that allow transitioning surgery, because once they stop
Speaker 1: writing policies for those doctors, those doctors stop doing those procedures,
Speaker 1: don't have to wait for judgments. Now there's a judgment,
Speaker 1: Now there is risk.
Speaker 10: So it's funny that you asked that. I actually asked
Speaker 10: someone today in fact that question, and the jury is
Speaker 10: still out because the jury just came back. So the
Speaker 10: jury is still out on the insurance companies. But because
Speaker 10: of the Trump administration, there's been a lot of movement
Speaker 10: on this front from states and from Medicaid, and so
Speaker 10: state after state, Utah was the most recent have said
Speaker 10: this is not happening.
Speaker 1: And I think Bethany Froze movement. Yeah, you're back, go ahead.
Speaker 1: We lost your last thirty seconds, Bethany, Oh, I'm sorry.
Speaker 10: So this is it's a good start on the Medicaid front.
Speaker 10: A lot of states have stopped stopped doing this because
Speaker 10: Medicaid is not paying for this anymore thanks to the
Speaker 10: Trump administration, and a lot of states have also said
Speaker 10: this won't be happening in our teaching hospitals anymore. And
Speaker 10: so Utah was the most recent example of a state
Speaker 10: that said this is not happening in our hospitals anymore.
Speaker 10: So the private insurance front, I think that's coming. I
Speaker 10: think there's probably going to need to be a few
Speaker 10: more cards that fall. But there's a lot of lawsuits
Speaker 10: in the works. Unfortunately, they've butchered a lot of children,
Speaker 10: and there's a lot of children who have a legal case,
Speaker 10: and so I think it's only a matter of time.
Speaker 1: As a Roman Catholic, it's painful for me to bring
Speaker 1: up this example, but many, many dioceses in the United
Speaker 1: States are bankrupt because of abuse that was known and
Speaker 1: not corrected. The same thing is going to happen to
Speaker 1: many many hospitals and many many doctors because the statute
Speaker 1: of limitations will be extended based upon the fact that
Speaker 1: they operated in bad faith, in other words, without science.
Speaker 1: They were doing guinea pig experiments on kids, and they're
Speaker 1: going to pay the price.
Speaker 10: I think that you're mostly right, but my only concern
Speaker 10: is that there was a there was an interest on
Speaker 10: the part of a lot of people in the legal
Speaker 10: field to bring down the Catholic Church, and I don't
Speaker 10: think that there's that eagerness in existing on this issue.
Speaker 10: This judgment was only two million dollars, which I do
Speaker 10: not think was enough. The judgments that were held against
Speaker 10: the Catholic Church were of Magnitude's law, and so I
Speaker 10: do think that this will be a real financial burden
Speaker 10: for hospitals, but I don't think it's going to be
Speaker 10: on the same scale as what happened with the Catholic Church.
Speaker 1: It depends on how many victims and the jurisdiction. Because California,
Speaker 1: for example, has a cap on pain and suffering, many
Speaker 1: states don't, and so where the victim of transitioning wants
Speaker 1: to sue will make all the difference. There are gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot of lossuits in California because of the cap,
Speaker 1: but there are some places where the cap doesn't exist. Now, Bethany,
Speaker 1: I want to ask you, just nobody knows what's going
Speaker 1: to happen when they're on Everybody's guessing. I've talked with
Speaker 1: doctor Arny and Aviv ready gored today. I'm going to
Speaker 1: play at Eve's later in the show. What's your guess?
Speaker 10: I mean, my tea leaves. I'm reading our President Trump's statements,
Speaker 10: and his statements are pretty clear to me. I think
Speaker 10: you know, when President Trump Trump speaks, you have to listen.
Speaker 10: And he's made pretty clear that if they don't come
Speaker 10: to the negotiating table and that they don't stop killing
Speaker 10: the protesters, there will be hell to pay. He didn't
Speaker 10: use that phrasing exactly again this time, but he made
Speaker 10: clear there would be consequences, and so I believe him well.
Speaker 1: He said to that we should let's play air force
Speaker 1: one last night. The most recent comment cut number one
Speaker 1: on a ran.
Speaker 10: As a free leader today said that he puts part
Speaker 10: of regional war.
Speaker 11: Give you find that Roy, wouldn't he say that.
Speaker 5: I'd appreciated to say that. But we have the biggest
Speaker 5: rosabe offleships in.
Speaker 6: The world over there very close a couple of days.
Speaker 5: That hopefully we'll make a deal. We don't make a deal,
Speaker 5: then we'll find out whether or not he was right.
Speaker 1: So what ha Many said is he'll start a regional war,
Speaker 1: and what the President said is we'll find out if
Speaker 1: he's right the Iranians or not. How Many is not
Speaker 1: going to give up his missiles in his uranium. He's
Speaker 1: not going to do it. So that means Trump's going
Speaker 1: to strike, and I think he means we'll see if
Speaker 1: he can do. I think in such a way that
Speaker 1: they will be incapacitated. I don't rule out what Dr
Speaker 1: Orange is called the Sheffield factor, which is a lucky
Speaker 1: shot by Iran that hits an America destroyer or a
Speaker 1: carrier and kills people. But I think they'll get beaten
Speaker 1: up pretty badly, pretty quickly. Do you agree?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I do, I do, And I think that that's
Speaker 10: exactly what President Trump was just saying. He was he
Speaker 10: was kind of saying. He shrugged his shoulders kind of
Speaker 10: and was like, oh, let's see. But that's not a
Speaker 10: matchup that I would I would be interested in going
Speaker 10: into if I were the Iranians, and you know, they
Speaker 10: talk a big game, they always have, but this is
Speaker 10: the first time that they have someone in the White
Speaker 10: House that carries a big stick, and they know how
Speaker 10: big the stick is because they've already been hit by
Speaker 10: America once.
Speaker 1: I would like you to hear as well, what havev
Speaker 1: Reddy Gore had to say about President Trump and President Obama?
Speaker 1: Because I asked Aviv, how if President Trump doesn't do anything,
Speaker 1: does that make him into President Obama. Here's his response.
Speaker 1: You're gonna say about President Obama.
Speaker 2: You asked me, if President Trump doesn't boond me wrong,
Speaker 2: what happens can be compared him to President Obama. I
Speaker 2: want to be very clear about this, and I don't
Speaker 2: want to step into American politics, and I don't know
Speaker 2: half the topics that are setting American politics on fire.
Speaker 2: I'm want to say, just in the context of the
Speaker 2: wrong issue, nothing President Trump Trump does with I wrong
Speaker 2: will ever bring him down to the level of the
Speaker 2: disaster that the j CPI represented. The fact that the
Speaker 2: JCPI said that they can you know, inspectors can always
Speaker 2: go anywhere, but then there was a twenty four hour
Speaker 2: period where they would have to have a consultation over
Speaker 2: whether they would go anywhere. The fact that it didn't
Speaker 2: concern the ballistic missile program, the fact that it released
Speaker 2: fifty to one hundred billion dollars for the IRGC, which.
Speaker 3: We're invested in it because Bella just to the signing bonus.
Speaker 2: The fact that most of the major provisions ended by
Speaker 2: now would have already ended history continued ten years, fifteen years,
Speaker 2: is just kicking the can down the road.
Speaker 3: That is not President Trump.
Speaker 2: President Trump has already caused more damage to Forde said
Speaker 2: back that program more than all the President Obama's deals
Speaker 2: ever could.
Speaker 3: And so no, even if Trump, in my view, for example,
Speaker 3: he hasn't. But even if I.
Speaker 2: Decide that he screwed this up and didn't do the
Speaker 2: right thing, he will still have been much better on
Speaker 2: this issue than President Obama, who has a lot to
Speaker 2: answer for. He has thirty seven thousand Iranians to apologize too.
Speaker 1: What do you make of that, Bethany?
Speaker 10: I had to laugh because his not wanting to wait
Speaker 10: into domestic politics in America is my policy about domestic
Speaker 10: politics in Israel. Yeah, and so that cave I appreciated
Speaker 10: that caveat because I make it all the time too. No,
Speaker 10: He's absolutely correct there. You could not get any worse
Speaker 10: than President Obama handing suitcases full of cash, and that's
Speaker 10: what happened. But I mean, we're in a totally different
Speaker 10: it's a totally different world than we occupied when President Trump,
Speaker 10: when President Obama was president. It can't get worse, but
Speaker 10: it also you know, it can't get much better than
Speaker 10: President Trump.
Speaker 11: Honestly, Well, have you.
Speaker 1: Seen any of the Obama bros? You know the Pod
Speaker 1: Bros or President Obama or anybody associated with the JCPOA
Speaker 1: in the Senate or the House or the Old Has
Speaker 1: anyone come forward to say we were wrong, We didn't
Speaker 1: know that they would kill thirty seven thousand of their
Speaker 1: own people.
Speaker 10: No, No, I mean my signal for is this the
Speaker 10: right foreign policy move? Literally across the board from Venezuela
Speaker 10: to Iran, you name it is. If the pod broads
Speaker 10: think it was about idea, I'm like, well, okay, here
Speaker 10: we are good barometer.
Speaker 1: I got to ask you, I think the world has
Speaker 1: walked way too quickly passed thirty seven thousand dead Iranians.
Speaker 1: Do you agree with me about that? I do.
Speaker 10: I mean it's hard to know what the numbers are
Speaker 10: in there, but I mean it's catastrophic, and in the
Speaker 10: world's silence about whatever it is, it's tens of thousands,
Speaker 10: whatever it is, is really glaring. Considering how loud they
Speaker 10: were about the Hamas numbers coming.
Speaker 1: Out of Gaza, and you know how traumatized Israel and
Speaker 1: Israeli and Jews and the diaspora were after ten seven.
Speaker 1: Do you think Iranians are feeling the same thing that
Speaker 1: Israeli that we did, Yeah, what do you think I.
Speaker 5: Do to some extent.
Speaker 10: I mean, unfortunately, there's not the pictures in the videos
Speaker 10: that really traumatized American Jews and Israeli Jews. After October seventh,
Speaker 10: the regime have shut down access to these images in
Speaker 10: these pictures very intentionally. I think they're going to come
Speaker 10: out eventually, but it's going to be a slow dribble,
Speaker 10: I think.
Speaker 1: And when it does, the one that came out today
Speaker 1: of the kid holding the door, which a meets Sigal
Speaker 1: as in his website, I recommend everyone go to a
Speaker 1: meet Sigal dot net and watch that one video. Bethany Mandel,
Speaker 1: thank you. Follow on exit Bethany Sean Dark. Senator At
Speaker 1: Cotton is next on the h view of show Welcome
Speaker 1: Back to America. I'm Hugh Hewett, joined by Senator Tom
Speaker 1: Cotton of Arkansas as Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee.
Speaker 1: Senator Cotton, I'm glad you called. I thought you were
Speaker 1: shut down today.
Speaker 9: Well, even when the government is partially shut down, we
Speaker 9: are still at work in the Capitol, and I know
Speaker 9: the House of Representatives is currently deliberating on the bill
Speaker 9: that we passed Friday evening and hopefully they'll pass that
Speaker 9: intenant directly to the presence death soon. I know he
Speaker 9: just put on a call for the House to pass
Speaker 9: it without delay so he can sign it to Meeba
Speaker 9: Lea this evening and gave them back to work in
Speaker 9: the government.
Speaker 3: So Sarah, it's on again for a long time.
Speaker 1: If DHS is you've got to do a compromise, you
Speaker 1: will not. I hope the Republicans will not agree to
Speaker 1: suspend administrative warrants. Otherwise that's the end of deportations. We
Speaker 1: only have seven hundred district court judges in the United
Speaker 1: States and some magistrates would do you imagine the Republicans
Speaker 1: will ever agree to that.
Speaker 9: No, I, Hugh, of course not. And you're right that
Speaker 9: insists on judicial warrants for illegal aliens, which has never
Speaker 9: been the standard in this country and in fact has
Speaker 9: been repeatedly rejected by the Supreme Court. It's simply a
Speaker 9: democratic effort to stop deportations, period. And we can't have
Speaker 9: a situation where cradic administration like Joe Biden can let
Speaker 9: ten million illegals float into our country, but a Republican
Speaker 9: administration following it can't then enforce the law and restore
Speaker 9: the rule of law by deporting illegal aliens.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you have the opportunity on this special appropriations
Speaker 1: last bill for DHS to add laws, for example, could
Speaker 1: you regularize the Dreamers if you wanted to?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 9: So he was not a reconciliation bill, So there's no
Speaker 9: special rules something Congress can legislat as we would choose.
Speaker 9: I can tell you I don't think there's a lot
Speaker 9: of appetite to address that kind.
Speaker 3: Of sweeping reforms.
Speaker 9: This is more negotiation about specifically what will happen with
Speaker 9: immigration enforcements and ICE in particular. I know the Democrats
Speaker 9: have some demand. Some of those might be reasonable, others
Speaker 9: like insisting on judicial warrants or that officers removed their
Speaker 9: masks so they could be docks by left wing lunatics
Speaker 9: or not. But we have demand as well. We'd like
Speaker 9: to pass legislation that can federal funding on repealing sanctuary
Speaker 9: city laws and ordinances at states and municipalities. So we'll
Speaker 9: see if the Democrats are serious about compromise over the
Speaker 9: next two weeks.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I'm getting at, is that there must
Speaker 1: be some things that our offers that they can't refuse.
Speaker 1: For example, I think dreamers are an eighty twenty issue.
Speaker 1: I don't know where you are on at center, but
Speaker 1: people who are brought here at the age of two,
Speaker 1: or maybe you redefine it lower, so that if you
Speaker 1: were brought to the country at the age of four
Speaker 1: and you've been here for thirty year some kind of regularization,
Speaker 1: non amnesty, they never get to vote. That makes it
Speaker 1: that sort of flips the script on the Democrats. Is
Speaker 1: there any thought of doing that?
Speaker 9: Well, I think you you don't have the votes for
Speaker 9: that if it was combined with additional enforcement measures. Yeah, Branch,
Speaker 9: it's a ban on sanctuary cities. Again that the Democrats
Speaker 9: have gone so far to the left of emigration that
Speaker 9: I'm not sure that they'd be willing to vote forwards.
Speaker 9: And obviously we're not. The Republicans aren't going to vote
Speaker 9: on anything like giving even the limited regularizations that people
Speaker 9: who weren't brought here through no fault of their own.
Speaker 9: If we're not addressing the wide open border that bid
Speaker 9: and graded for four years and the repercussions of it.
Speaker 1: You see, I if I'm on the Democrats side, the
Speaker 1: worst thing you could do is offer me the dreamers
Speaker 1: some subset of Dreamers and a ban on sanctuary cities,
Speaker 1: because then they're committing political Harry Carey, if they opposed that,
Speaker 1: because they're going to oppose the Dreamers, and they're going
Speaker 1: to oppose and they're going to because of sanctuary cities,
Speaker 1: wouldn't they wouldn't they find themselves torn apart.
Speaker 9: Regrettably? I think again the far left is in the
Speaker 9: saddle in the Democratic Party. I mean, when the DHS
Speaker 9: bill went through the House of Representatives, I think it
Speaker 9: only got seven or eight Democratic votes. All the latest
Speaker 9: class of freshmen Democrats in the Senate voted against the
Speaker 9: bill as well, with just a two week funding provision
Speaker 9: on it. So I think it's the case. But most
Speaker 9: Democrats are willing to shut down the entire government and
Speaker 9: two weeks will be willing to shut down DHS before
Speaker 9: they would object before they would permit funding for immigration
Speaker 9: enforcement period.
Speaker 1: What happens if DHS isn't funded in two week? Center
Speaker 1: does that mean TSA as well?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 9: I think this is a very important point for all
Speaker 9: of your listeners. Who Patty Murray, the senior Democrat on
Speaker 9: the Appropriations Committee, admitted last week that a government shut
Speaker 9: down or DHS shut down will do nothing to stop ICE.
Speaker 9: ICE is a law enforcement agency, it's deemed central. Its
Speaker 9: officers still be on the streets doing their critical work
Speaker 9: to keep our communities safe. We also gave ICE billions
Speaker 9: of dollars last summer in the Working Families tax cut legislation,
Speaker 9: partly because we suspected Democrats might try to be fund though,
Speaker 9: so ICE won't be affected. ICE's operations will continue. What
Speaker 9: would be affected, well, you would see a degradation of
Speaker 9: service in is the at airports as we're trying to
Speaker 9: get back on our feet after a massive winter storm,
Speaker 9: or the coast gu argue or FEMA as people are
Speaker 9: struggling after this massive winter storm, or cybersecurity efforts. Those
Speaker 9: would all be shut down if the Democrats refuse to
Speaker 9: fund DHS on even a short term basis.
Speaker 1: So Senator, what I'm saying is that they've walked themselves
Speaker 1: into a corner. The only thing to shut down at DHS.
Speaker 1: So that just focuses everybody on immigration. And if the
Speaker 1: Republicans put eighty twenty issues on the table, they are
Speaker 1: going to win. The political debate is that like them,
Speaker 1: you run the conference. Are people thinking about the fact
Speaker 1: that they're in a they put themselves in a corner.
Speaker 9: Well, it maybe the chair of the conference. I'm not
Speaker 9: sure anyone actually runs it. The editor is ultimately accountable,
Speaker 9: ultimately accountable to his own voters and back home and
Speaker 9: zone conviction that the campaigned on. But you're right to
Speaker 9: you that there are some sensible and very popular immigration compromises.
Speaker 9: Those have to be paired though with heightened enforcement measures.
Speaker 9: And it just doesn't seem that's like where the Democratic
Speaker 9: senators are right now?
Speaker 1: Are you going to make it at them at least
Speaker 1: vote on defunding sanctuary cities. I want them to vote
Speaker 1: in favor of sanctuaries. I want them on the record
Speaker 1: one way or the other, because that's an eighty twenty issue,
Speaker 1: whether they know.
Speaker 13: It or not.
Speaker 9: I think that can be expected if we get into
Speaker 9: a situation where we're having votes on this data or
Speaker 9: the other policy. I have no doubt that Republican senators
Speaker 9: at least will be very eager to have a vote
Speaker 9: on ban on sanctuary cities.
Speaker 1: Very good. Last question, Senator, President Trump has become President Yoda,
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure what he's saying. What do you
Speaker 1: think is going to happen in Iran?
Speaker 9: Well, he what we want to happen is to minimize
Speaker 9: the oppression and killing of the Iranian people who have
Speaker 9: risen up against their corrupt xatorial regime. And we want
Speaker 9: to maximize the pressure that the Iotlas are facing. There's
Speaker 9: a lot of different ways we can do that, military means,
Speaker 9: financial names, economic means. But I think we want to
Speaker 9: keep the pressure on them and try to do everything
Speaker 9: we can to help the brave running people who are
Speaker 9: protesting against their erruptatorial regime.
Speaker 1: Well, the Iatola said it would lead to regional war.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anyone in the region that will
Speaker 1: help them, right, everyone against Iran, is that what he's suggesting.
Speaker 9: And he was blustering about that before he blew up
Speaker 9: his nuclear facilities as well.
Speaker 11: And all he did was effectlessly.
Speaker 9: Shoot a few rockets and missiles at our base in
Speaker 9: Patara while giving us advanced notice that we could clear out. Well,
Speaker 9: I take what the Itela says that face value.
Speaker 1: I do not, sata Tom Cotton remarking thank you for
Speaker 1: joining me even in the middle of an official government shutdown.
Speaker 1: I appreciate your still being here during the shutdown. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Senator Cotton. Don't go anywhere America. I'll be right back.
Speaker 1: He's not President Yode. He keeps saying the same thing,
Speaker 1: which is, I hope they negotiate. I hope they take
Speaker 1: their chance. I hope they don't force my hand. But
Speaker 1: I think that means they're going to force the President's hand.
Speaker 1: But no one can be sure. I'll be right back.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned to the QUH Show. Welcome back, and I
Speaker 1: Hugh Hewitt Vic mattis joined me. Vic is the art
Speaker 1: and culture editor and weekend editor of the Washington Free Beacon.
Speaker 1: He is also the co host of the Getting Hammered podcast.
Speaker 1: But there's not a new Getting Hammered podcast. I listened
Speaker 1: to the podcast that came out this morning and there
Speaker 1: wasn't a get what is your schedule of production?
Speaker 10: Vic?
Speaker 14: Hello, Hugh, nice to see you, And yes, the question
Speaker 14: on a lot of people's minds is what is the
Speaker 14: schedule of Getting Hammered? We generally now tape on Tuesdays
Speaker 14: and a new episode comes up on Wednesdays.
Speaker 5: All right, that's the schedule, so stay tuned.
Speaker 1: Well we should then we should have you on Thursday
Speaker 1: instead of Monday, and we would talk about but we'll
Speaker 1: work that out. But vic. I want to guess that
Speaker 1: you are like me, a center right border hawk and regularization,
Speaker 1: and by that I mean I want the biggest, tallest
Speaker 1: double sided wall at the border, and then I want
Speaker 1: to let all the nice people stay of come over it,
Speaker 1: nice people. And there are ways to prove that. Am
Speaker 1: I close to where you are?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 14: I mean you can go back to the eighties and
Speaker 14: you think about the amnesty that was granted during the
Speaker 14: ragged administration. I think a lot of Americans, not just
Speaker 14: you and me, feel that way, and not necessarily people
Speaker 14: that have to be right of center like both of us.
Speaker 14: But yeah, I think our understanding was in the second
Speaker 14: administration that there was going to be a very hardline
Speaker 14: enforcement at the border, and we're seeing this is one
Speaker 14: of Trump's greatest achievements is he's brought that number basically
Speaker 14: down to zero and making the job of customs and
Speaker 14: border patrol very easy.
Speaker 5: But he also said that he was going to go around.
Speaker 14: The president was going to go around to big cities,
Speaker 14: in towns looking for people who were here illegally and
Speaker 14: deport them, and that.
Speaker 5: Was by using ice.
Speaker 14: And at first, of course, what comes to mind for
Speaker 14: us are dangerous criminals people here who entered the ten
Speaker 14: or eleven million illegals during the Bided administration who came
Speaker 14: into the country. They're parts of you know, MS thirteen
Speaker 14: or trendy Arragua. Get them out of here. I don't
Speaker 14: think anybody had a problem with that, and everyone understood
Speaker 14: that Ice is wearing these masks because they have to
Speaker 14: protect their identities from these very dangerous people and to
Speaker 14: protect their families. But then you started hearing stories about
Speaker 14: people online at the home depots and other people who
Speaker 14: were just going to work. Yes, it's true they came
Speaker 14: here illegally, they broke the law, that is true. But
Speaker 14: going after them in addition to the very dangerous criminal
Speaker 14: elements who are here illegally, that doesn't sit well with a.
Speaker 5: Lot of people.
Speaker 14: And I think that's what we're beginning to see a
Speaker 14: change and a dialing back, certainly after the second shooting
Speaker 14: by Ice of alex Pretty in this case, and Tom
Speaker 14: Homan's taking the reins of the situation in Minneapolis, and
Speaker 14: so hopefully we're turning a corner.
Speaker 1: So vic I think that the Democrats have walked themselves
Speaker 1: into a corner, and by that I mean they're going
Speaker 1: to defund DHS and TSA and everything else. Let everything
Speaker 1: else go because they want to end administrative warrants, which
Speaker 1: the Republicans will never agree to. Ought the Republicans to
Speaker 1: offer them a deal they can't refuse. Other words, Hey,
Speaker 1: we're going to end sanctuary cities, and we're going to
Speaker 1: regularize Dreamers and people over fifty who've been here for
Speaker 1: ten years. They may never vote, they don't, they're not
Speaker 1: going to be citizens, not amnesty, but we're going to
Speaker 1: continue to deport vigorously anyone who violates the law. And
Speaker 1: we're going to pull the blue cards or the pink
Speaker 1: cards or whatever we call them of anyone who gets
Speaker 1: a regularization. In other words, make them an offer they
Speaker 1: can't refuse. Do you think the Republicans are smart enough
Speaker 1: to do that?
Speaker 14: Well, I don't know if there's smart enough to do that,
Speaker 14: but I think that's definitely what they should be doing.
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously there has to be some give and
Speaker 5: take here.
Speaker 14: You know, you've seen these polls coming out, even the
Speaker 14: Fox News polls, and a lot of people obviously still
Speaker 14: very feel very strongly and are very supportive of the
Speaker 14: president's actions along the border. But when it comes to
Speaker 14: the deployment of ICE in such a broad scale. And
Speaker 14: it's true the mainstream media have not been giving them
Speaker 14: a positive portrayal videos that are taken and shared on
Speaker 14: social media that can be easily taken out of context.
Speaker 14: It doesn't help their case, but ICE doesn't help their
Speaker 14: case as well in many of these situations. And so
Speaker 14: I think that if they can find this middle ground,
Speaker 14: as you're suggesting, that would be a good idea. The
Speaker 14: problem is, Hugh, behind the scenes, there seems to be
Speaker 14: some agreement when Tom Homan or other members of the
Speaker 14: administration are talking to politicians in Minnesota and elsewhere, but
Speaker 14: they don't want to actually admit that to the public
Speaker 14: and to their supporters, because you know, there's a very
Speaker 14: powerful element on the left that wants zero compromise, and
Speaker 14: there are folks like that obviously on the right as
Speaker 14: well that we have to deal with.
Speaker 5: But that's what makes it very difficult. When you hear people,
Speaker 5: you know, like.
Speaker 14: Jacob Fry saying that I didn't agree to anything that
Speaker 14: Tom Holman is talking about, but of course this is
Speaker 14: what we want, I mean, And you hear people, for example,
Speaker 14: Hugh on the left saying, well, why can't I just
Speaker 14: go into the jails and just take them there instead.
Speaker 5: Of going in public.
Speaker 14: And that was obviously the original plan, but without police support,
Speaker 14: it made their lives very difficult.
Speaker 1: Well that's why, maybe I'm just naive. But if the
Speaker 1: Republicans said, we're going to let the Dreamers stay, people
Speaker 1: who were brought in under the age of sixteen or fifteen,
Speaker 1: and they never can vote, but they can stay. And
Speaker 1: we're going to let people over the age of sixty stay,
Speaker 1: and other people apply, but you've got to agree to
Speaker 1: defund sanctuary cities and they don't get any money for
Speaker 1: anything until they start honoring detainers. Let the Democrats vote
Speaker 1: against that, I mean, let them. That's so crazy that
Speaker 1: I want to It requires some guile on the part
Speaker 1: of Republicans to set them up. Do you think Republicans
Speaker 1: have any guile in them?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 5: No, I mean I think that's exactly right. You got
Speaker 5: to put the ball back on their court. I don't know.
Speaker 14: I mean, they're in a very delicate situation right now
Speaker 14: with the partial shutdown, and there's these demands as you mentioned, to.
Speaker 5: Defund ICE, but of course ICE is generally funded in
Speaker 5: the center.
Speaker 1: Kind just told me that they're funded for like three years.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 14: And so what they're asking for now in the sort
Speaker 14: of they still want to say defund ice the way
Speaker 14: they wanted to say, you know, defund the police, you know,
Speaker 14: back in twenty twenty. But what they really want to
Speaker 14: do now is maybe dial it back and say, well,
Speaker 14: what we want is more accountability and we want some
Speaker 14: reforms to ICE. We don't want to defund ice. So
Speaker 14: that's sort of the fine line they're trying to walk
Speaker 14: right now. But again that that's going to be very
Speaker 14: difficult to pull off.
Speaker 1: I think, so Vic matis to conclude, I am to
Speaker 1: look for my next Getting Hammered episode on Wednesday. Is
Speaker 1: that what you're telling me?
Speaker 14: That is correct to you, and I can guarantee you
Speaker 14: we'll have a good chunk on why a lot of
Speaker 14: play in the Northeast in the Middle Atlantics.
Speaker 5: Have had no school for over like a week, going
Speaker 5: on a week and a half.
Speaker 1: And what do they me.
Speaker 14: I know, they're all democratic controlled and there's no accountability.
Speaker 14: You know, this is the problem when you have you know,
Speaker 14: it's one party government. My grandkids haven't seen a school in.
Speaker 1: Two weeks, and boys, their mom mad so absolutely absurd.
Speaker 5: It is it is absurd.
Speaker 1: I used to walk through both ways uphill blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Schools were open after one day. You got one snow day.
Speaker 14: That was it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Vic Madis, what's it? Thank you? Follow him on
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Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewittt. I just almost missed talking to Revive
Speaker 1: had Reddy Gore today because I was listening to Vive
Speaker 1: Reddy Gore in his most recent asked Kaviv Anything, talking
Speaker 1: with one of the more interesting people I've never heard
Speaker 1: before on the program, Professor Dan Shifton. Haveviv, of course,
Speaker 1: is the host of Ask Kaviv Anything. He's the Middle
Speaker 1: East analyst for the free Press, and I was listening
Speaker 1: to ask Aviv anything, and Professor Shifton had me somewhat entranced. Aviv.
Speaker 1: How long have you known him?
Speaker 3: Twenty years? He was the head of the National Security
Speaker 3: Institute at the university.
Speaker 2: He still runs or teaches in their graduate program, and
Speaker 2: he has advised prime ministers on national security questions since Sharon,
Speaker 2: since Robbing, since he was a young man, a young analyst.
Speaker 1: So what struck me about him is he might be
Speaker 1: stuck in the past when Turkey wasn't real problem. Did
Speaker 1: you walk away from that conversation thinking that.
Speaker 2: I? In other words, he argued that Turkey is absolutely
Speaker 2: Israel's currently pre eminent regional adversary, but that there's no
Speaker 2: danger of actual kinetic war, right, that's what he said.
Speaker 3: I yeah, I would say he is.
Speaker 2: He is trying to set off alarm bells about Turkey.
Speaker 2: He's not the only one that that's very clear to
Speaker 2: Israeli officials.
Speaker 3: I buy it.
Speaker 5: I buy it.
Speaker 2: I buy his argument that if Turkey goes to kinetic
Speaker 2: war with Israel through the you know, reairly Syrian border,
Speaker 2: basically Syria is now basically a puppet of Turkey, that
Speaker 2: that would fundamentally change Israel, fundamentally change Turkey.
Speaker 3: It would be an event re ordering, you know, the global.
Speaker 2: Landscape, certainly the Middle East, because Turkey has one of
Speaker 2: the largest armies in the world.
Speaker 3: I think it's in the top ten.
Speaker 2: A million men under arms, if I'm not mistake, in
Speaker 2: two thousand tags, a navy three times the size of
Speaker 2: Israel's navy. But Israel has a much smarter army with
Speaker 2: better firepower. It has the F thirty five's as most
Speaker 2: of Turkey's of eighteen's or F sixteens. It would be
Speaker 2: a disaster, a catastrophe for the region, a catastrophe for
Speaker 2: both countries.
Speaker 3: Really doesn't think Turkey would would check.
Speaker 1: They would maybe have an air forces of NATO, maybe
Speaker 1: overwhelm the Israeli Air Force. The Israeli Defense Air Force
Speaker 1: is amazing, but Turkey's got a lot of planes that
Speaker 1: come out in NATO. They don't. I don't think they
Speaker 1: have the F thirty five because we wouldn't sell it
Speaker 1: to them because they had the Soviet system. So they're
Speaker 1: getting rid of the Soviet system. But I was imagining
Speaker 1: as I listened to you, if they get Al Shara
Speaker 1: to provoke a fight with you, and then they supply
Speaker 1: them without the little little gray men from Turkey. What
Speaker 1: would Israel do if they knew it was actually Turks fighting,
Speaker 1: not Syrians fighting.
Speaker 2: We've had this question asked about Russia. Russia was the
Speaker 2: main was a major, major umbrella of that US said
Speaker 2: that allowed out said to do what he did to Syria,
Speaker 2: and if I provided him the air cover and intelligence
Speaker 2: help and really what served as his air force during
Speaker 2: the Syrian Civil War, and.
Speaker 3: Israel desperately didn't want to have.
Speaker 2: A military engagement with Russia, with the Russian military, And
Speaker 2: what ended up happening was Israel and Russia developed very
Speaker 2: close cooperation and Israel could bomb what it needed to
Speaker 2: bomb in Syria, and even if it was Asad's own
Speaker 2: military forces, if they were, for example, helping Iran, you know,
Speaker 2: ship missiles to Chasbella. Well, Russia helped outside, but didn't
Speaker 2: touch the Israelis the coordination, it was complicated.
Speaker 3: I suspect that that's what will happen if that happens here.
Speaker 1: So he did not sound alarmed at the end. I'm
Speaker 1: very alarmed by what's going on in Syria. Would you
Speaker 1: guess the average member of both parties leadership left and right, center,
Speaker 1: left and center right are very alarmed by what's going
Speaker 1: on in Syria. They're murdering the Kurage we're getting out
Speaker 1: of there. President Trump does not care about it. What's
Speaker 1: the level of concern in Israel about al Shara? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: You know, the debate over whether he is moderate is
Speaker 2: a debate with a huge asterisk.
Speaker 3: The man is al Kaieda, he was formerly al Qaeda.
Speaker 2: I don't think his relationship with his God and his
Speaker 2: and his Qoran has changed fundamentally. I do think that
Speaker 2: he has tremendous benefits to be gleaned from being moderate,
Speaker 2: until he has benefits to be gleaned from not being moderated.
Speaker 3: Very similar to aired one.
Speaker 2: Aired One is the president of a serious major country,
Speaker 2: a NATO member. He has a lot of benefits to
Speaker 2: be gleaned from not becoming, you know, going down the
Speaker 2: path of Muslim brotherhood in Egypt or in places like
Speaker 2: Somalia where they demolish their own countries.
Speaker 3: But that doesn't you know, but that doesn't mean he
Speaker 3: doesn't he's not going to ultimately take the country there.
Speaker 2: Turkey is not the democracy it was ten years ago,
Speaker 2: and in ten years from now, it will not be
Speaker 2: the democracy it is today. And so Turkey is on
Speaker 2: the decline, will continue to decline, and they're going to
Speaker 2: try and.
Speaker 3: Look moderate the whole time to not create blowback in
Speaker 3: the system.
Speaker 2: So I don't trust the Shara, and Turkey has its
Speaker 2: way in Syria anyway, and so this needs to start
Speaker 2: treating Syria I think as part of Turkey and as
Speaker 2: part of its major regional adversary.
Speaker 1: I agree with every word of that. Don't go anywhere, America.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come right back with Aviv Reddy Gore. We're
Speaker 1: gonnask him about Iran in the longer segment today, because
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Speaker 1: Welcome back, American, Back with Aviv Reddick Gore. He is
Speaker 1: the Middle East analyst for the Free Press. He's also
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Speaker 1: Widely regarded as among the top three or four analysts
Speaker 1: working in Israel today Aviv. Everyone is trying to guess
Speaker 1: what Iran is going to do in the United States
Speaker 1: is going to do, But I haven't asked any Israelis
Speaker 1: yet what they think is going to happen there. What
Speaker 1: do you think is going to happen?
Speaker 2: Then Iran is desperately trying to avoid anything happening. It
Speaker 2: has such a huge problem in house. It has lost
Speaker 2: fundamental legitimacy. It's not just because of the June war,
Speaker 2: with the war with Israel and of course the American
Speaker 2: strike on Florida.
Speaker 3: It's not just that it has been for about fifteen years.
Speaker 2: We've seen public protests that have been escalating, the early
Speaker 2: protests against the regime. It's a regime in power forty
Speaker 2: seven years, right, and it has kind of driven the
Speaker 2: Iranian economy into the dirt. I mean, people should google
Speaker 2: the Gdpeper capital of Iran. It's third world, even though
Speaker 2: it sits on some of the largest hydrocarbon reserves on Earth.
Speaker 2: And we've seen over the last fifteen years protests, and
Speaker 2: they started out small sactoral, and they started out by
Speaker 2: people demanding, for example, that their vote be counted, because
Speaker 2: in two thousand and nine the election was said to
Speaker 2: be rigged to get at Ladina jov In power. It
Speaker 2: started out with people engaging the region demanding their rights
Speaker 2: from the regime. Now it's about tearing down the regime.
Speaker 2: And they're much more massive, and they're not sectoral, and
Speaker 2: the economy is just in a state of disaster with
Speaker 2: electricity shortages and water shortages. The Iranian regime has a
Speaker 2: profound foundational legitimacy crisis internally. And the question is can
Speaker 2: it afford now to continue that kind of belligerent attitude,
Speaker 2: the unbelievably expensive belligerent attitude it's had in the region,
Speaker 2: especially when the Israelis cleaned their clocks so easily. For
Speaker 2: forty seven years, they've been preparing the destruction of Israel,
Speaker 2: and in twelve days, the Israelis wiped them out, and
Speaker 2: the Iranian Air Force couldn't even fly against the Israelis,
Speaker 2: so they are desperate to avoid a Trump airstrike, more attacks.
Speaker 2: Hamina disappeared, disappeared for the majority of the last eight months,
Speaker 2: literally wasn't seen. He had this big show of showing
Speaker 2: his face last week, and now he's disappeared again. He's terrified,
Speaker 2: and so they're trying to avoid it, and they're trying
Speaker 2: to move as many other issues off their plate because
Speaker 2: they have to survive these protests and this legitimacy crisis,
Speaker 2: especially after massacring apparently around thirty thousand of their own people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been listening to a book Empire of Evil
Speaker 1: by Mark Zelensky on the I mean Revolutionary Guard Corps
Speaker 1: i RGC. They're not going to change. They're going to
Speaker 1: stay who they are. And we saw who they were
Speaker 1: on January ninth when they murdered thirty eight thousand people.
Speaker 1: And I've set people to look at him. Meet Segaal's
Speaker 1: site today because he has a video of a besie.
Speaker 1: He's just executing a young man who's holding trying to
Speaker 1: keep them out. It's like a college kid. He's a
Speaker 1: high school kid. So they murdered thirty five thousand high
Speaker 1: school kids. That's who they are. I don't think they
Speaker 1: can back down. They'll never give up their ballistic missiles right.
Speaker 2: No, they'll They'll never give up anything unless forced to
Speaker 2: at the last. And they will never change, and they
Speaker 2: will never release their.
Speaker 3: Grip on power.
Speaker 2: The only way to get any change in Iran is
Speaker 2: to have such immense levers of influence over the regime
Speaker 2: terrify it literally existentially to get it to change. But
Speaker 2: once you've reached that point where you can terrify it existentially,
Speaker 2: whant to just make the killing blow. And so the
Speaker 2: Iranian regime is all it is. It will murder half
Speaker 2: of Iran on its way down.
Speaker 3: It is committed to it.
Speaker 2: It is of the kind it's different from Hamas, it's
Speaker 2: different from Belign some slight ways is very close to it.
Speaker 2: It's actually basically a branch of the IRGC, but it
Speaker 2: is of a type with other Islamist organizations like those
Speaker 2: in the sense that it is utterly suicidal.
Speaker 3: It will bring Iranian society.
Speaker 1: I agree with that. So I want to tell you
Speaker 1: what I think is going to happen and have you
Speaker 1: critique it, which is I think President Trump is waiting
Speaker 1: for the THAD batteries to deploy in every possible air
Speaker 1: defense weapon to get to Israel and our other Golf
Speaker 1: count Cooperation Council allies, and then we're going to begin
Speaker 1: a campaign to end that regime by bombing, not unlike
Speaker 1: that that was in Serbia, not unlike that that was
Speaker 1: in Libya, only this time with better precision, better bombing,
Speaker 1: better weapons. And that will go on as long as
Speaker 1: it takes to go on for them to cry uncle.
Speaker 1: That's what I think is going to happen. What do
Speaker 1: you think, Gosh?
Speaker 3: I hope so, Hugh, you talked to the president. I
Speaker 3: don't talk to the president.
Speaker 2: I very much hope that that sense of American intentions
Speaker 2: is what's going to happen. One of the things that
Speaker 2: we've seen on Iran from this White House is the
Speaker 2: ability to do very good misdirection without leaks, very clever.
Speaker 2: You know, the airplanes are flying in the wrong direction
Speaker 2: and then suddenly the bomb lands.
Speaker 3: We saw that in the attack in June.
Speaker 2: So the fact that President Trump's preparing the bomb doesn't
Speaker 2: necessarily mean he's going to do it. And the fact
Speaker 2: that and if we see him starting to pull back
Speaker 2: the forces, that might be the moment he does it.
Speaker 2: We've already seen him act in those ways, and the
Speaker 2: Iranians miscalculated several times with him, and so I think
Speaker 2: now that they're very, very wary and afraid. I tend
Speaker 2: to agree with you. You know, we've heard from the
Speaker 2: Saudis a sense of real desperate vulnerability. Iran's ability to
Speaker 2: hit Israel it exists. It's important.
Speaker 3: They could.
Speaker 2: They could wipe out city blocks in Israeli cities, but
Speaker 2: they can't do more than that. Whereas their ability to
Speaker 2: shatter the entirety of the Saudi oil spase and in
Speaker 2: economy is they have that shorter range, they have many
Speaker 2: many more missiles. The Arsenal is much larger than their
Speaker 2: larger range missiles that they need to attack Israel. And
Speaker 2: so the Saudis are absolutely terrified. And the Saudis are saying, apparently, okay,
Speaker 2: we're hearing this from leaks and secondary sources. They're saying,
Speaker 2: please please, please take him out, please please please attacked us.
Speaker 5: When you do it.
Speaker 2: And so that what you just described makes perfect sense,
Speaker 2: And the fact that it's coming from you tells me
Speaker 2: maybe there's maybe that is If that makes sense to you,
Speaker 2: that makes sense to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't overestimate how much I know. I don't know much.
Speaker 1: I expected him to go much sooner than this, and
Speaker 1: then the delay happened. But I the way that I
Speaker 1: read Trump as he says he and then not a
Speaker 1: B and then not be and then he does Z.
Speaker 1: So it's it's completely possible that nothing will happen. But
Speaker 1: for him to have to risk a comparison with President
Speaker 1: Obama is I think for him existential political peril and
Speaker 1: historical peril. We got a minute to break, So I'm
Speaker 1: going to give your credit and come back and ask
Speaker 1: you do you think he risks comparison with President Obama?
Speaker 1: If he doesn't, ask, don't go anywhere America. I'm going
Speaker 1: to wrap up today's show talking to a viv Ready Gore.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to America. I'm Hugh Ewett. The close today's show.
Speaker 1: Havevive Reddy Gore has stuck around. You can find him
Speaker 1: at the Free Press. You can find him at vivetter
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Speaker 1: If in fact, we're hammering Iran and we're doing our
Speaker 1: best to save damage to Saudi Arabia, UAE and Israel.
Speaker 1: And it's going well. Because when we want to hammer someone,
Speaker 1: we're using the b toos. We can hammer someone a lot.
Speaker 1: What happens in Iran afterwards, if in fact the regime falls,
Speaker 1: what do you expect? What happened?
Speaker 2: This is the multi billion dollar question. Nobody knows. Nobody knows.
Speaker 2: Iranians don't know.
Speaker 3: The Iranian regime itself doesn't know who would replace it.
Speaker 2: It has spent forty seven years doing nothing but destroying
Speaker 2: all basis of power that could possibly replace it. There
Speaker 2: are a great many Iranians apparently, it's hard to measure
Speaker 2: these things. There's chaos, there's internet blackouts. A great many
Speaker 2: Iranians are hoping the king, the son of the of
Speaker 2: the Shaw, returns Raza Palavi, even just in a symbolic role,
Speaker 2: just as a kind of a kind of you know,
Speaker 2: totem around which you can organize the rest of politics.
Speaker 2: So not even not even as a constitutional monarch specifically,
Speaker 2: but as some organizing principle around which you can build
Speaker 2: a replacement.
Speaker 3: Who has the power to do it? Nobody? And what
Speaker 3: does that tell you? It tells you that elements of
Speaker 3: the regime will replace the regime.
Speaker 2: Yes, this is a bad thing because what we had,
Speaker 2: for example in Russia, Russia falls, the Soviet Union falls,
Speaker 2: and what replaces it is this Yeltsin.
Speaker 3: Guy.
Speaker 2: Now Yeltin builds out a democracy that isn't really a democracy,
Speaker 2: it's a klyptocracy that guts the economy and doesn't actually
Speaker 2: set Russia on a new path toward the competent, serious democracy.
Speaker 2: And then the return of the Soviet Union in the
Speaker 2: midst of all that chaos. And if Yeltsin's an ability
Speaker 2: to run Russia, you basically have a KGB retaking.
Speaker 3: To bring order, and that is Putin and his group
Speaker 3: of about I don't know.
Speaker 2: Ten fifteen former KGB colonels who basically have run Russia
Speaker 2: ever since. And so you could see a kind of
Speaker 2: de islamized IRGC infrastructure or de Islamized running an army infrastructure,
Speaker 2: retaking the regime after Now, if that happens, last point,
Speaker 2: that's not necessarily a terrible thing.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: A Western oriented dictatorship can democratize.
Speaker 3: That's what South Korea's story is all about. That's what
Speaker 3: many many countries had.
Speaker 2: That Argentina, Argentina in Latin America there are a few examples,
Speaker 2: and so better that than this Islamism that will gut
Speaker 2: the regime while setting the region on fire roughly every
Speaker 2: ten years.
Speaker 3: I mean, we'll gut the country.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, haveviv on that note of agreement. I hope
Speaker 1: we end up with a military regime that's transitional to democracy,
Speaker 1: but that might be ten years, provided they give us
Speaker 1: the missiles and all their glowing material buried under Fodor.
Speaker 1: We'll check in with you in another month. In the meantime,
Speaker 1: please keep pumping out, askavieve anything. Today's was magnificent because
Speaker 1: you're asked. The professor was magnificent, and you asked the
Speaker 1: right question, and you got excited with him.
Speaker 5: He wasn't.
Speaker 3: Can I just say go ahead? He's tells me for
Speaker 3: many years. You asked about Obama. I want to say
Speaker 3: something about President Trump.
Speaker 2: You asked me, if President Trump doesn't bomd me wrong,
Speaker 2: what happens can be compared to President Obama. I want
Speaker 2: to be very clear about this, and I don't want
Speaker 2: to step into American politics, and I don't know half
Speaker 2: the topics that are setting American politics on fire. I
Speaker 2: want to say, just in the context of the wrong issue.
Speaker 2: Nothing President Trump Trump does with I wrong will ever
Speaker 2: bring him down to the level of the disaster that
Speaker 2: the j CPI represented.
Speaker 3: The fact that the j CPI said that they can
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Inspects can always go anywhere, but then there was a
Speaker 2: twenty four hour period where they would have to have
Speaker 2: a consultation over whether they.
Speaker 3: Would go anywhere.
Speaker 2: The fact that it didn't concern the ballistic missile program,
Speaker 2: the fact that it released fifty two hundred billion dollars
Speaker 2: for the IRGC, which.
Speaker 3: We're invested in it because bla just to the signing bonus.
Speaker 2: The fact that most of the major provisions ended by
Speaker 2: now would have already ended history continued ten years, fifteen years,
Speaker 2: is just kicking the can down the road. That is
Speaker 2: not President Trump. President Trump has already caused more damage
Speaker 2: to Pordo said back that program more than all the
Speaker 2: President Obama's deals ever could. And so no, even if Trump,
Speaker 2: in my view, for example, he hasn't But even if
Speaker 2: I decide that he screwed this up and didn't do
Speaker 2: the right thing, he will still have been much better
Speaker 2: on this issue than President Obama, who has a lot
Speaker 2: to answer for. He has thirty seven thousand Iranians to
Speaker 2: apologize to well.
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