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Speaker 1: I'm doing you a live in relief Factor at Studio West.

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Speaker 1: I had just wrapped up talking to Aviv Reddi Gore.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to play it for you until the

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Speaker 1: end of the program because I do a little postop

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Speaker 1: on it. But we did have one exchange at the

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Speaker 1: end which I want to leave. We're talking about Iran

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Speaker 1: and what President Trump will do or not do. I said,

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Speaker 1: is there anything that can President Trump follow the level

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Speaker 1: of President Obama? In your eyes? If he doesn't do anything?

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Speaker 1: And here's what Aviv had to say about that. I'm

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Speaker 1: back with Aviv Reddick Gore. Aviv, what were you going

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Speaker 1: to say about President Obama?

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Speaker 2: You asked me, if President Trump doesn't boond you, what

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Speaker 2: happens can be compared to President Obama. I want to

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Speaker 2: be very clear about this, and I don't want to

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Speaker 2: step into American politics, and I don't know half the

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Speaker 2: topics that are setting American politics on fire.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to say, just in the.

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Speaker 2: Context of the irong issue, nothing President Trump Trump does

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Speaker 2: with Iroan will ever bring him down to the level

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Speaker 2: of the disaster that the j CPI represented.

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Speaker 3: The fact that the j CPI said that they can.

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Speaker 2: You know, inspectors can always go anywhere, but then there

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Speaker 2: was a twenty four hour period where they would have

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Speaker 2: to have a consultation over whether they would go anywhere.

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Speaker 2: The fact that it didn't concern the ballistic missile program,

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Speaker 2: the fact that it released fifty to one hundred billion

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Speaker 2: dollars for the IRGC, which we're invested in it because

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Speaker 2: Bella just to the signing bonus. The fact that most

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Speaker 2: of the major provisions ended by now would have already

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Speaker 2: ended history continued ten years.

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Speaker 3: Fifteen years, is just kicking the can down the road.

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Speaker 2: That is not President Trump. President Trump has already caused

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Speaker 2: more damage Tofordo said, back to that program, more than

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Speaker 2: all the President Obama's deals ever could.

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Speaker 3: And so no, even if Trump, in my view, for example,

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Speaker 3: he hasn't.

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Speaker 2: But even if I decide that he screwed this up

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Speaker 2: and didn't do the right thing. He will still have

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Speaker 2: been much better on this issue than President Obama, who

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Speaker 2: has a lot to answer for. He has thirty seven

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Speaker 2: thousand Iranians to apologize.

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Speaker 1: Too, well said, and I will that's the end of

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Speaker 1: the interview. That was a little tack on to the interview,

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Speaker 1: but I wanted to start today's show. We'll play the

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Speaker 1: interview in our three today. But because we timed it

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Speaker 1: for that, we got a lot to do earlier than that,

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Speaker 1: beginning with what President Trump said on Air Force one

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Speaker 1: last night. But the big question today is what is

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Speaker 1: President Trump going to do via be Iran? And you'll

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Speaker 1: hear what I think throughout the course of the show

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Speaker 1: and when Aviv thinks an hour number three, but we'd

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Speaker 1: of the broadcast, so I just tape that in order

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Speaker 1: so you could hear him. Compare President Trump and President

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Speaker 1: Obama and that last stinger, President Obama has thirty seven

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Speaker 1: thousand dead Airanians to apologize to. Is absolutely right, boy,

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Speaker 1: the JCPOA it was a nightmare now, President Trump on

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Speaker 1: Air Force one last night on Iran Cut number sixteen.

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Speaker 3: Help being a work where you're picking it right now.

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Speaker 4: For for money if you work or I.

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Speaker 5: Have madam spending on what you want to do.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I certainly can't tell you that, but we

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Speaker 7: I can't tell you of the media, but I.

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Speaker 6: Hope they negotiate something that's accepted.

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Speaker 1: A lot of big, powerful ships heading that way. But

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Speaker 1: I can't tell you what they're going to do. This

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Speaker 1: morning he talked to Dan Scavina, who's back on his podcast,

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Speaker 1: Cut number seventeen.

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Speaker 8: The rig estate, but we just stopped that and what

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Speaker 8: we did with it, and don't forget I got Solimani,

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Speaker 9: He was rebuilding it.

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Speaker 1: He was a great general and they don't have that name.

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Speaker 1: He also went on to talk on our fourt one

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Speaker 1: Cut number three. As he's talking about protesters attacking federal agents.

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Speaker 3: Of protests.

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Speaker 10: What did you mean when you said people will suffer

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Speaker 6: If they do anything bad to our people, they will

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: If they start.

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Speaker 6: Spitting in people's faces, watching our people, watching our soldiers

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Speaker 3: Do that, like you know, you see it the way

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Speaker 3: they treat our people.

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Speaker 6: And I said, you're allowed if somebody does that, you

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Speaker 6: We're not letting people spit in our soul, in his

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Speaker 3: And they're aren't allowed to do anything.

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Speaker 6: If they throw bricks at a car and you know,

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Speaker 5: Very very serious words. I believe him.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, spinning is an assault and battery.

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Speaker 1: So they have the right to take them into custody.

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Speaker 1: Cut number four on Air Force one, telling you about

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Speaker 6: Canada's here, sir, that you talked about her that was

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Speaker 6: coming well, that was on the airplege.

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Speaker 3: You're talking about about the China deal of people.

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Speaker 6: Look, if they do a deal with China, yeah, they'll

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Speaker 1: He does not want China to take over Canada. I

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Speaker 1: Last night, last clip Cuba. Donald Trump talks about Cuba

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Speaker 6: We're starting to talk to cub Yeah, we're starting. He

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Speaker 3: I would look, if we get a lot.

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Speaker 6: Of people that live in our country treated very badly

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Speaker 6: voted for me, and we want them to be treated well.

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Speaker 6: Would like to be able to have them go back

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Speaker 1: What's going on with Cube is that they're out of everything.

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Speaker 1: They have no energy, no economy, blackout. They're like Iran,

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Speaker 1: they're falling apart. Uh, we might have to push Iran,

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Speaker 1: we don't have to push Cuba. Cuba is falling apart now.

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Speaker 1: Former Secretary of State Mike BOMPEII was on Channel thirteen

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Speaker 1: News in Israel and had this to say about a

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Speaker 1: potential deal with Iran.

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Speaker 7: I've heard it talks about a deal or there's no chance.

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Speaker 3: I've dealt with this regime.

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Speaker 7: They may agree to something, but they've broken every deal

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Speaker 7: got into under President Obama for the nuclear deal, right,

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Speaker 7: I don't see that that will actually create the opportunity

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Speaker 11: Here in the region, and that'd be great for America too.

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Speaker 12: So you think that taking old circumstances United States need

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Speaker 12: So I talk to you ran again, We'll need.

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Speaker 3: To put more pressure on. There are many tools by

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Speaker 7: But it cannot be the case that the Iranian people

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Speaker 7: Ayatola is in charge.

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Speaker 12: So do you see a scenario whereas in the current situation,

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Speaker 7: Sure, sure, the Iranian people may rise up again and

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Speaker 1: Turner cut number fifteen from yesterday, Well, it is no.

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Speaker 4: Doubt about that I mean, listen, the history of our

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Speaker 4: presidents with this regime is really something. Seven of the presidents,

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Speaker 4: Now he's planning to kill more Americans? So because everybody

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Speaker 4: president that directly confronted the regime. Now he has the

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Speaker 1: I believe he didn't take that opportunity too. I don't

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Speaker 1: know anything. People think I talked to the president. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I talked to the President on air on the record.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't call me up and ask my advice, and

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't tell you if he did, but he doesn't.

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Speaker 1: And people who talk about talking to the president usually

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Speaker 1: talking through their hat. So I like to be very

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Speaker 1: humble about that. I don't. I write columns that get

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Speaker 1: But what I think is going to happen is you've

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Speaker 1: got to get every I've posted this on my ex account.

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Speaker 1: He's got to give every NI aircraft battery, every thad,

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Speaker 1: maybe the Saudi Air Forces have to bomb Iran into

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Speaker 11: And tries to play both sides. At the end of

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Speaker 11: the day, A check there with you.

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Speaker 13: Large military military American military basis in Turkey. America didn't

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Speaker 13: have large military bases in Iran. So no, I'm not

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Speaker 13: concerned about I am concerned about expanding Turkish influence not

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Speaker 13: just in Syria but elsewhere in the release.

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Speaker 11: How about Gaza for example.

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Speaker 13: Uh And we have to work to make sure that

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Speaker 13: we're not replacing the Iranian access of resistance with the

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Speaker 13: Turkish hamas Katari access of resistance.

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Speaker 11: So no, I'm not worried, but we have to be

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Speaker 11: on our guard.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Michael Horn always good to talk to you. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: Mornerglorian even Grace America. I'mh you and and the Relief

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Speaker 1: Actor Studio West joined by Bethany Mandel. Bethany is our

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Speaker 1: weekly guest for the perspective of the mom wors dot

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Speaker 1: substack dot com. That's her substact, the Momworth dot substact

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Speaker 1: dot com. Bethany, I'm talking with everyone about Iran, but

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Speaker 1: before I do that, your reaction to the verdict of

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Speaker 1: medical malpractice against the doctor who performed breast removal surgery

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Speaker 1: on a girl who was transitioning and then decided it

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Speaker 1: was a big mistake. What did you make of that case?

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Speaker 10: I think that it's potentially a watershed moment. When so

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Speaker 10: I wrote a book called Stolen Youth with Carol Markowitz,

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Speaker 10: came out almost exactly three years ago and the doctors

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Speaker 10: and clinicians that I spoke to who had real misgivings

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Speaker 10: on an ethics standpoint with gender identity stuff with kids.

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Speaker 10: The one thing they all said in unison was this

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Speaker 10: house of cards is going to fall when the lawsuits start,

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Speaker 10: and a lot of them compared it to the tobacco

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Speaker 10: lawsuits that really changed the way big tobacco operated in America.

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Speaker 10: And I think that this is this is the starting point.

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Speaker 10: There was a great piece in the Free press about

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Speaker 10: it today. But Chloe Cole, who's another detransitionary, another young

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Speaker 10: woman who believed herself to be a man for a

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Speaker 10: number of years and then transitioned back to being a woman,

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Speaker 10: She's filed a lawsuit as well. The issue for doctors,

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Speaker 10: both surgeons and psychiatrists who have engaged in this is

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Speaker 10: that it's all scient anti science, it's all gobblegook, and

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Speaker 10: so they will have had to prove that they did

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Speaker 10: their due diligence and that the children were able to

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Speaker 10: give informed consent, and they won't be able to do that.

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Speaker 10: And so I do think it's a house of cards.

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Speaker 10: And this is the first one that's following.

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Speaker 1: So do you have any data yet? And I don't

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Speaker 1: have any way of figuring this out. I thought maybe

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Speaker 1: you would have the insurance company stopped covering doctors who

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Speaker 1: perferend hospitals that allow transitioning surgery, because once they stop

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Speaker 1: writing policies for those doctors, those doctors stop doing those procedures,

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Speaker 1: don't have to wait for judgments. Now there's a judgment,

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Speaker 1: Now there is risk.

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Speaker 10: So it's funny that you asked that. I actually asked

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Speaker 10: someone today in fact that question, and the jury is

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Speaker 10: still out because the jury just came back. So the

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Speaker 10: jury is still out on the insurance companies. But because

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Speaker 10: of the Trump administration, there's been a lot of movement

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Speaker 10: on this front from states and from Medicaid, and so

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Speaker 10: state after state, Utah was the most recent have said

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Speaker 10: this is not happening.

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Speaker 1: And I think Bethany Froze movement. Yeah, you're back, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: We lost your last thirty seconds, Bethany, Oh, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 10: So this is it's a good start on the Medicaid front.

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Speaker 10: A lot of states have stopped stopped doing this because

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Speaker 10: Medicaid is not paying for this anymore thanks to the

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Speaker 10: Trump administration, and a lot of states have also said

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Speaker 10: this won't be happening in our teaching hospitals anymore. And

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Speaker 10: so Utah was the most recent example of a state

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Speaker 10: that said this is not happening in our hospitals anymore.

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Speaker 10: So the private insurance front, I think that's coming. I

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Speaker 10: think there's probably going to need to be a few

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Speaker 10: more cards that fall. But there's a lot of lawsuits

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Speaker 10: in the works. Unfortunately, they've butchered a lot of children,

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Speaker 10: and there's a lot of children who have a legal case,

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Speaker 10: and so I think it's only a matter of time.

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Speaker 1: As a Roman Catholic, it's painful for me to bring

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Speaker 1: up this example, but many, many dioceses in the United

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Speaker 1: States are bankrupt because of abuse that was known and

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Speaker 1: not corrected. The same thing is going to happen to

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Speaker 1: many many hospitals and many many doctors because the statute

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Speaker 1: of limitations will be extended based upon the fact that

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Speaker 1: they operated in bad faith, in other words, without science.

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Speaker 1: They were doing guinea pig experiments on kids, and they're

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Speaker 1: going to pay the price.

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Speaker 10: I think that you're mostly right, but my only concern

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Speaker 10: is that there was a there was an interest on

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Speaker 10: the part of a lot of people in the legal

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Speaker 10: field to bring down the Catholic Church, and I don't

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Speaker 10: think that there's that eagerness in existing on this issue.

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Speaker 10: This judgment was only two million dollars, which I do

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Speaker 10: not think was enough. The judgments that were held against

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Speaker 10: the Catholic Church were of Magnitude's law, and so I

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Speaker 10: do think that this will be a real financial burden

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Speaker 10: for hospitals, but I don't think it's going to be

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Speaker 10: on the same scale as what happened with the Catholic Church.

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Speaker 1: It depends on how many victims and the jurisdiction. Because California,

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Speaker 1: for example, has a cap on pain and suffering, many

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Speaker 1: states don't, and so where the victim of transitioning wants

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Speaker 1: to sue will make all the difference. There are gonna

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Speaker 1: be a lot of lossuits in California because of the cap,

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Speaker 1: but there are some places where the cap doesn't exist. Now, Bethany,

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you, just nobody knows what's going

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Speaker 1: to happen when they're on Everybody's guessing. I've talked with

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Speaker 1: doctor Arny and Aviv ready gored today. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: play at Eve's later in the show. What's your guess?

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Speaker 10: I mean, my tea leaves. I'm reading our President Trump's statements,

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Speaker 10: and his statements are pretty clear to me. I think

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Speaker 10: you know, when President Trump Trump speaks, you have to listen.

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Speaker 10: And he's made pretty clear that if they don't come

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Speaker 10: to the negotiating table and that they don't stop killing

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Speaker 10: the protesters, there will be hell to pay. He didn't

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Speaker 10: use that phrasing exactly again this time, but he made

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Speaker 10: clear there would be consequences, and so I believe him well.

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Speaker 1: He said to that we should let's play air force

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Speaker 1: one last night. The most recent comment cut number one

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Speaker 1: on a ran.

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Speaker 10: As a free leader today said that he puts part

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Speaker 10: of regional war.

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Speaker 11: Give you find that Roy, wouldn't he say that.

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Speaker 5: I'd appreciated to say that. But we have the biggest

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Speaker 5: rosabe offleships in.

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Speaker 6: The world over there very close a couple of days.

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Speaker 5: That hopefully we'll make a deal. We don't make a deal,

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Speaker 5: then we'll find out whether or not he was right.

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Speaker 1: So what ha Many said is he'll start a regional war,

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Speaker 1: and what the President said is we'll find out if

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Speaker 1: he's right the Iranians or not. How Many is not

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Speaker 1: going to give up his missiles in his uranium. He's

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Speaker 1: not going to do it. So that means Trump's going

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Speaker 1: to strike, and I think he means we'll see if

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Speaker 1: he can do. I think in such a way that

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Speaker 1: they will be incapacitated. I don't rule out what Dr

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Speaker 1: Orange is called the Sheffield factor, which is a lucky

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Speaker 1: shot by Iran that hits an America destroyer or a

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Speaker 1: carrier and kills people. But I think they'll get beaten

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Speaker 1: up pretty badly, pretty quickly. Do you agree?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I do, I do, And I think that that's

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Speaker 10: exactly what President Trump was just saying. He was he

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Speaker 10: was kind of saying. He shrugged his shoulders kind of

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Speaker 10: and was like, oh, let's see. But that's not a

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Speaker 10: matchup that I would I would be interested in going

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Speaker 10: into if I were the Iranians, and you know, they

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Speaker 10: talk a big game, they always have, but this is

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Speaker 10: the first time that they have someone in the White

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Speaker 10: House that carries a big stick, and they know how

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Speaker 10: big the stick is because they've already been hit by

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Speaker 10: America once.

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Speaker 1: I would like you to hear as well, what havev

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Speaker 1: Reddy Gore had to say about President Trump and President Obama?

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Speaker 1: Because I asked Aviv, how if President Trump doesn't do anything,

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Speaker 1: does that make him into President Obama. Here's his response.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna say about President Obama.

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Speaker 2: You asked me, if President Trump doesn't boond me wrong,

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Speaker 2: what happens can be compared him to President Obama. I

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Speaker 2: want to be very clear about this, and I don't

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Speaker 2: want to step into American politics, and I don't know

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Speaker 2: half the topics that are setting American politics on fire.

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Speaker 2: I'm want to say, just in the context of the

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Speaker 2: wrong issue, nothing President Trump Trump does with I wrong

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Speaker 2: will ever bring him down to the level of the

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Speaker 2: disaster that the j CPI represented. The fact that the

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Speaker 2: JCPI said that they can you know, inspectors can always

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Speaker 2: go anywhere, but then there was a twenty four hour

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Speaker 2: period where they would have to have a consultation over

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Speaker 2: whether they would go anywhere. The fact that it didn't

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Speaker 2: concern the ballistic missile program, the fact that it released

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Speaker 2: fifty to one hundred billion dollars for the IRGC, which.

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Speaker 3: We're invested in it because Bella just to the signing bonus.

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Speaker 2: The fact that most of the major provisions ended by

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Speaker 2: now would have already ended history continued ten years, fifteen years,

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Speaker 2: is just kicking the can down the road.

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Speaker 3: That is not President Trump.

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Speaker 2: President Trump has already caused more damage to Forde said

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Speaker 2: back that program more than all the President Obama's deals

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Speaker 2: ever could.

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Speaker 3: And so no, even if Trump, in my view, for example,

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Speaker 3: he hasn't. But even if I.

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Speaker 2: Decide that he screwed this up and didn't do the

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Speaker 2: right thing, he will still have been much better on

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Speaker 2: this issue than President Obama, who has a lot to

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Speaker 2: answer for. He has thirty seven thousand Iranians to apologize too.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of that, Bethany?

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Speaker 10: I had to laugh because his not wanting to wait

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Speaker 10: into domestic politics in America is my policy about domestic

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Speaker 10: politics in Israel. Yeah, and so that cave I appreciated

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Speaker 10: that caveat because I make it all the time too. No,

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Speaker 10: He's absolutely correct there. You could not get any worse

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Speaker 10: than President Obama handing suitcases full of cash, and that's

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Speaker 10: what happened. But I mean, we're in a totally different

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Speaker 10: it's a totally different world than we occupied when President Trump,

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Speaker 10: when President Obama was president. It can't get worse, but

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Speaker 10: it also you know, it can't get much better than

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Speaker 10: President Trump.

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Speaker 11: Honestly, Well, have you.

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Speaker 1: Seen any of the Obama bros? You know the Pod

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Speaker 1: Bros or President Obama or anybody associated with the JCPOA

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Speaker 1: in the Senate or the House or the Old Has

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Speaker 1: anyone come forward to say we were wrong, We didn't

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Speaker 1: know that they would kill thirty seven thousand of their

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Speaker 1: own people.

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Speaker 10: No, No, I mean my signal for is this the

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Speaker 10: right foreign policy move? Literally across the board from Venezuela

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Speaker 10: to Iran, you name it is. If the pod broads

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Speaker 10: think it was about idea, I'm like, well, okay, here

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Speaker 10: we are good barometer.

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Speaker 1: I got to ask you, I think the world has

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Speaker 1: walked way too quickly passed thirty seven thousand dead Iranians.

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Speaker 1: Do you agree with me about that? I do.

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Speaker 10: I mean it's hard to know what the numbers are

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Speaker 10: in there, but I mean it's catastrophic, and in the

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Speaker 10: world's silence about whatever it is, it's tens of thousands,

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Speaker 10: whatever it is, is really glaring. Considering how loud they

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Speaker 10: were about the Hamas numbers coming.

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Speaker 1: Out of Gaza, and you know how traumatized Israel and

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Speaker 1: Israeli and Jews and the diaspora were after ten seven.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Iranians are feeling the same thing that

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Speaker 1: Israeli that we did, Yeah, what do you think I.

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Speaker 5: Do to some extent.

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Speaker 10: I mean, unfortunately, there's not the pictures in the videos

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Speaker 10: the regime have shut down access to these images in

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Speaker 10: these pictures very intentionally. I think they're going to come

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Speaker 10: I think.

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Speaker 1: And when it does, the one that came out today

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Speaker 1: thank you. Follow on exit Bethany Sean Dark. Senator At

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Speaker 1: Cotton is next on the h view of show Welcome

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Speaker 1: Back to America. I'm Hugh Hewett, joined by Senator Tom

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Speaker 1: Cotton of Arkansas as Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee.

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Speaker 1: Senator Cotton, I'm glad you called. I thought you were

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Speaker 1: shut down today.

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Speaker 9: Well, even when the government is partially shut down, we

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Speaker 9: the House of Representatives is currently deliberating on the bill

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Speaker 9: that we passed Friday evening and hopefully they'll pass that

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Speaker 9: intenant directly to the presence death soon. I know he

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Speaker 9: just put on a call for the House to pass

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Speaker 9: it without delay so he can sign it to Meeba

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Speaker 9: Lea this evening and gave them back to work in

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Speaker 9: the government.

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Speaker 3: So Sarah, it's on again for a long time.

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Speaker 1: If DHS is you've got to do a compromise, you

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Speaker 1: will not. I hope the Republicans will not agree to

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Speaker 1: suspend administrative warrants. Otherwise that's the end of deportations. We

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Speaker 1: only have seven hundred district court judges in the United

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Speaker 1: States and some magistrates would do you imagine the Republicans

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Speaker 1: will ever agree to that.

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Speaker 9: No, I, Hugh, of course not. And you're right that

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Speaker 9: insists on judicial warrants for illegal aliens, which has never

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Speaker 9: been repeatedly rejected by the Supreme Court. It's simply a

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Speaker 9: democratic effort to stop deportations, period. And we can't have

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Speaker 9: a situation where cradic administration like Joe Biden can let

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Speaker 9: ten million illegals float into our country, but a Republican

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Speaker 9: administration following it can't then enforce the law and restore

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Speaker 9: the rule of law by deporting illegal aliens.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you have the opportunity on this special appropriations

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Speaker 1: last bill for DHS to add laws, for example, could

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Speaker 1: you regularize the Dreamers if you wanted to?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: So he was not a reconciliation bill, So there's no

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Speaker 9: special rules something Congress can legislat as we would choose.

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Speaker 9: I can tell you I don't think there's a lot

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Speaker 9: of appetite to address that kind.

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Speaker 3: Of sweeping reforms.

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Speaker 9: This is more negotiation about specifically what will happen with

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Speaker 9: immigration enforcements and ICE in particular. I know the Democrats

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Speaker 9: have some demand. Some of those might be reasonable, others

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Speaker 9: like insisting on judicial warrants or that officers removed their

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Speaker 9: masks so they could be docks by left wing lunatics

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Speaker 9: or not. But we have demand as well. We'd like

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Speaker 9: to pass legislation that can federal funding on repealing sanctuary

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Speaker 9: city laws and ordinances at states and municipalities. So we'll

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Speaker 9: see if the Democrats are serious about compromise over the

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Speaker 1: Well, that's what I'm getting at, is that there must

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Speaker 1: be some things that our offers that they can't refuse.

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Speaker 1: For example, I think dreamers are an eighty twenty issue.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where you are on at center, but

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Speaker 1: people who are brought here at the age of two,

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Speaker 1: or maybe you redefine it lower, so that if you

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Speaker 1: and you've been here for thirty year some kind of regularization,

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Speaker 1: non amnesty, they never get to vote. That makes it

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Speaker 1: that sort of flips the script on the Democrats. Is

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Speaker 1: there any thought of doing that?

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Speaker 9: Well, I think you you don't have the votes for

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Speaker 9: that if it was combined with additional enforcement measures. Yeah, Branch,

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Speaker 9: it's a ban on sanctuary cities. Again that the Democrats

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Speaker 9: I'm not sure that they'd be willing to vote forwards.

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Speaker 9: And obviously we're not. The Republicans aren't going to vote

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Speaker 9: If we're not addressing the wide open border that bid

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Speaker 1: You see, I if I'm on the Democrats side, the

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Speaker 1: worst thing you could do is offer me the dreamers

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Speaker 1: some subset of Dreamers and a ban on sanctuary cities,

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Speaker 1: because then they're committing political Harry Carey, if they opposed that,

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Speaker 1: because they're going to oppose the Dreamers, and they're going

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Speaker 1: to oppose and they're going to because of sanctuary cities,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't they wouldn't they find themselves torn apart.

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Speaker 9: Regrettably? I think again the far left is in the

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Speaker 9: on it. So I think it's the case. But most

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Speaker 9: Democrats are willing to shut down the entire government and

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Speaker 9: two weeks will be willing to shut down DHS before

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Speaker 9: they would object before they would permit funding for immigration

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Speaker 9: enforcement period.

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Speaker 1: What happens if DHS isn't funded in two week? Center

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Speaker 1: does that mean TSA as well?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 9: I think this is a very important point for all

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Speaker 9: of your listeners. Who Patty Murray, the senior Democrat on

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Speaker 9: the Appropriations Committee, admitted last week that a government shut

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Speaker 9: down or DHS shut down will do nothing to stop ICE.

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Speaker 9: ICE is a law enforcement agency, it's deemed central. Its

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Speaker 9: officers still be on the streets doing their critical work

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Speaker 9: to keep our communities safe. We also gave ICE billions

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Speaker 9: of dollars last summer in the Working Families tax cut legislation,

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Speaker 9: partly because we suspected Democrats might try to be fund though,

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Speaker 9: so ICE won't be affected. ICE's operations will continue. What

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Speaker 9: would be affected, well, you would see a degradation of

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Speaker 9: service in is the at airports as we're trying to

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Speaker 9: get back on our feet after a massive winter storm,

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Speaker 9: struggling after this massive winter storm, or cybersecurity efforts. Those

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Speaker 9: would all be shut down if the Democrats refuse to

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Speaker 1: So Senator, what I'm saying is that they've walked themselves

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Speaker 1: into a corner. The only thing to shut down at DHS.

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Speaker 1: So that just focuses everybody on immigration. And if the

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Speaker 1: going to win. The political debate is that like them,

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Speaker 1: you run the conference. Are people thinking about the fact

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Speaker 1: that they're in a they put themselves in a corner.

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Speaker 9: Well, it maybe the chair of the conference. I'm not

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Speaker 9: sure anyone actually runs it. The editor is ultimately accountable,

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Speaker 9: Those have to be paired though with heightened enforcement measures.

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Speaker 9: And it just doesn't seem that's like where the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Are you going to make it at them at least

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Speaker 1: vote on defunding sanctuary cities. I want them to vote

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Speaker 1: in favor of sanctuaries. I want them on the record

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Speaker 1: one way or the other, because that's an eighty twenty issue,

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Speaker 13: It or not.

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Speaker 9: I think that can be expected if we get into

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Speaker 1: Very good. Last question, Senator, President Trump has become President Yoda,

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Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure what he's saying. What do you

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Speaker 1: think is going to happen in Iran?

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Speaker 9: Well, he what we want to happen is to minimize

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Speaker 9: to maximize the pressure that the Iotlas are facing. There's

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Speaker 9: a lot of different ways we can do that, military means,

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Speaker 9: financial names, economic means. But I think we want to

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Speaker 9: keep the pressure on them and try to do everything

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Speaker 9: we can to help the brave running people who are

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Speaker 9: protesting against their erruptatorial regime.

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Speaker 1: Well, the Iatola said it would lead to regional war.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's anyone in the region that will

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Speaker 1: help them, right, everyone against Iran, is that what he's suggesting.

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Speaker 9: And he was blustering about that before he blew up

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Speaker 11: And all he did was effectlessly.

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Speaker 9: Shoot a few rockets and missiles at our base in

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Speaker 9: Patara while giving us advanced notice that we could clear out. Well,

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Speaker 9: I take what the Itela says that face value.

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Speaker 1: I do not, sata Tom Cotton remarking thank you for

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Speaker 1: joining me even in the middle of an official government shutdown.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your still being here during the shutdown. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: Senator Cotton. Don't go anywhere America. I'll be right back.

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Speaker 1: He's not President Yode. He keeps saying the same thing,

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Speaker 1: which is, I hope they negotiate. I hope they take

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Speaker 1: their chance. I hope they don't force my hand. But

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Speaker 1: I think that means they're going to force the President's hand.

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Speaker 1: But no one can be sure. I'll be right back.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned to the QUH Show. Welcome back, and I

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Speaker 1: Hugh Hewitt Vic mattis joined me. Vic is the art

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Speaker 1: and culture editor and weekend editor of the Washington Free Beacon.

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Speaker 1: He is also the co host of the Getting Hammered podcast.

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Speaker 1: But there's not a new Getting Hammered podcast. I listened

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Speaker 1: to the podcast that came out this morning and there

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Speaker 1: wasn't a get what is your schedule of production?

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Speaker 10: Vic?

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Speaker 14: Hello, Hugh, nice to see you, And yes, the question

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Speaker 14: on a lot of people's minds is what is the

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Speaker 14: schedule of Getting Hammered? We generally now tape on Tuesdays

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Speaker 14: and a new episode comes up on Wednesdays.

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Speaker 5: All right, that's the schedule, so stay tuned.

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Speaker 1: Well we should then we should have you on Thursday

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Speaker 1: instead of Monday, and we would talk about but we'll

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Speaker 1: work that out. But vic. I want to guess that

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Speaker 1: you are like me, a center right border hawk and regularization,

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Speaker 1: and by that I mean I want the biggest, tallest

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Speaker 1: double sided wall at the border, and then I want

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Speaker 1: to let all the nice people stay of come over it,

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Speaker 1: nice people. And there are ways to prove that. Am

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Speaker 1: I close to where you are?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 14: I mean you can go back to the eighties and

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Speaker 14: you think about the amnesty that was granted during the

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Speaker 14: ragged administration. I think a lot of Americans, not just

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Speaker 14: you and me, feel that way, and not necessarily people

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Speaker 14: that have to be right of center like both of us.

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Speaker 14: But yeah, I think our understanding was in the second

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Speaker 14: administration that there was going to be a very hardline

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Speaker 14: enforcement at the border, and we're seeing this is one

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Speaker 14: of Trump's greatest achievements is he's brought that number basically

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Speaker 14: border patrol very easy.

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Speaker 5: But he also said that he was going to go around.

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Speaker 14: The president was going to go around to big cities,

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Speaker 14: in towns looking for people who were here illegally and

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Speaker 14: deport them, and that.

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Speaker 5: Was by using ice.

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Speaker 14: And at first, of course, what comes to mind for

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Speaker 14: us are dangerous criminals people here who entered the ten

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Speaker 14: or eleven million illegals during the Bided administration who came

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Speaker 14: into the country. They're parts of you know, MS thirteen

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Speaker 14: or trendy Arragua. Get them out of here. I don't

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Speaker 14: think anybody had a problem with that, and everyone understood

878
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Speaker 14: that Ice is wearing these masks because they have to

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Speaker 14: protect their identities from these very dangerous people and to

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Speaker 14: protect their families. But then you started hearing stories about

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Speaker 14: people online at the home depots and other people who

882
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Speaker 14: were just going to work. Yes, it's true they came

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Speaker 14: here illegally, they broke the law, that is true. But

884
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Speaker 14: going after them in addition to the very dangerous criminal

885
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Speaker 14: elements who are here illegally, that doesn't sit well with a.

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Speaker 5: Lot of people.

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Speaker 14: And I think that's what we're beginning to see a

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Speaker 14: change and a dialing back, certainly after the second shooting

889
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Speaker 14: by Ice of alex Pretty in this case, and Tom

890
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Speaker 14: Homan's taking the reins of the situation in Minneapolis, and

891
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Speaker 14: so hopefully we're turning a corner.

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Speaker 1: So vic I think that the Democrats have walked themselves

893
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Speaker 1: into a corner, and by that I mean they're going

894
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Speaker 1: to defund DHS and TSA and everything else. Let everything

895
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Speaker 1: else go because they want to end administrative warrants, which

896
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Speaker 1: the Republicans will never agree to. Ought the Republicans to

897
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Speaker 1: offer them a deal they can't refuse. Other words, Hey,

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Speaker 1: we're going to end sanctuary cities, and we're going to

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Speaker 1: regularize Dreamers and people over fifty who've been here for

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Speaker 1: ten years. They may never vote, they don't, they're not

901
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Speaker 1: going to be citizens, not amnesty, but we're going to

902
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Speaker 1: continue to deport vigorously anyone who violates the law. And

903
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Speaker 1: we're going to pull the blue cards or the pink

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Speaker 1: cards or whatever we call them of anyone who gets

905
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Speaker 1: a regularization. In other words, make them an offer they

906
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Speaker 1: can't refuse. Do you think the Republicans are smart enough

907
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Speaker 1: to do that?

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Speaker 14: Well, I don't know if there's smart enough to do that,

909
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Speaker 14: but I think that's definitely what they should be doing.

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Speaker 5: I mean, obviously there has to be some give and

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Speaker 5: take here.

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Speaker 14: You know, you've seen these polls coming out, even the

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Speaker 14: Fox News polls, and a lot of people obviously still

914
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Speaker 14: very feel very strongly and are very supportive of the

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Speaker 14: president's actions along the border. But when it comes to

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Speaker 14: the deployment of ICE in such a broad scale. And

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Speaker 14: it's true the mainstream media have not been giving them

918
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Speaker 14: a positive portrayal videos that are taken and shared on

919
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Speaker 14: social media that can be easily taken out of context.

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Speaker 14: It doesn't help their case, but ICE doesn't help their

921
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Speaker 14: case as well in many of these situations. And so

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Speaker 14: I think that if they can find this middle ground,

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Speaker 14: as you're suggesting, that would be a good idea. The

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Speaker 14: problem is, Hugh, behind the scenes, there seems to be

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Speaker 14: some agreement when Tom Homan or other members of the

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Speaker 14: administration are talking to politicians in Minnesota and elsewhere, but

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Speaker 14: they don't want to actually admit that to the public

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Speaker 14: and to their supporters, because you know, there's a very

929
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Speaker 14: powerful element on the left that wants zero compromise, and

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Speaker 14: there are folks like that obviously on the right as

931
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Speaker 14: well that we have to deal with.

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Speaker 5: But that's what makes it very difficult. When you hear people,

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Speaker 5: you know, like.

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Speaker 14: Jacob Fry saying that I didn't agree to anything that

935
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Speaker 14: Tom Holman is talking about, but of course this is

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Speaker 14: what we want, I mean, And you hear people, for example,

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Speaker 14: Hugh on the left saying, well, why can't I just

938
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Speaker 14: go into the jails and just take them there instead.

939
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Speaker 5: Of going in public.

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Speaker 14: And that was obviously the original plan, but without police support,

941
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Speaker 14: it made their lives very difficult.

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Speaker 1: Well that's why, maybe I'm just naive. But if the

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Speaker 1: Republicans said, we're going to let the Dreamers stay, people

944
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Speaker 1: who were brought in under the age of sixteen or fifteen,

945
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Speaker 1: and they never can vote, but they can stay. And

946
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Speaker 1: we're going to let people over the age of sixty stay,

947
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Speaker 1: and other people apply, but you've got to agree to

948
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Speaker 1: defund sanctuary cities and they don't get any money for

949
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Speaker 1: anything until they start honoring detainers. Let the Democrats vote

950
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Speaker 1: against that, I mean, let them. That's so crazy that

951
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Speaker 1: I want to It requires some guile on the part

952
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Speaker 1: of Republicans to set them up. Do you think Republicans

953
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Speaker 1: have any guile in them?

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: No, I mean I think that's exactly right. You got

956
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Speaker 5: to put the ball back on their court. I don't know.

957
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Speaker 14: I mean, they're in a very delicate situation right now

958
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Speaker 14: with the partial shutdown, and there's these demands as you mentioned, to.

959
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Speaker 5: Defund ICE, but of course ICE is generally funded in

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Speaker 5: the center.

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Speaker 1: Kind just told me that they're funded for like three years.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 14: And so what they're asking for now in the sort

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Speaker 14: of they still want to say defund ice the way

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Speaker 14: they wanted to say, you know, defund the police, you know,

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Speaker 14: back in twenty twenty. But what they really want to

967
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Speaker 14: do now is maybe dial it back and say, well,

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Speaker 14: what we want is more accountability and we want some

969
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Speaker 14: reforms to ICE. We don't want to defund ice. So

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Speaker 14: that's sort of the fine line they're trying to walk

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Speaker 14: right now. But again that that's going to be very

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Speaker 14: difficult to pull off.

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Speaker 1: I think, so Vic matis to conclude, I am to

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Speaker 1: look for my next Getting Hammered episode on Wednesday. Is

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Speaker 1: that what you're telling me?

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Speaker 14: That is correct to you, and I can guarantee you

977
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Speaker 14: we'll have a good chunk on why a lot of

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Speaker 14: play in the Northeast in the Middle Atlantics.

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Speaker 5: Have had no school for over like a week, going

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Speaker 5: on a week and a half.

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Speaker 1: And what do they me.

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Speaker 14: I know, they're all democratic controlled and there's no accountability.

983
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Speaker 14: You know, this is the problem when you have you know,

984
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Speaker 14: it's one party government. My grandkids haven't seen a school in.

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Speaker 1: Two weeks, and boys, their mom mad so absolutely absurd.

986
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Speaker 5: It is it is absurd.

987
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Speaker 1: I used to walk through both ways uphill blah blah blah.

988
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Speaker 1: Schools were open after one day. You got one snow day.

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Speaker 14: That was it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Vic Madis, what's it? Thank you? Follow him on

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Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewittt. I just almost missed talking to Revive

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Speaker 1: with one of the more interesting people I've never heard

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Speaker 1: before on the program, Professor Dan Shifton. Haveviv, of course,

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Speaker 1: is the host of Ask Kaviv Anything. He's the Middle

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Speaker 1: East analyst for the free Press, and I was listening

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Speaker 1: to ask Aviv anything, and Professor Shifton had me somewhat entranced. Aviv.

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Speaker 1: How long have you known him?

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Speaker 3: Twenty years? He was the head of the National Security

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Speaker 3: Institute at the university.

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Speaker 2: He still runs or teaches in their graduate program, and

1031
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Speaker 2: he has advised prime ministers on national security questions since Sharon,

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Speaker 2: since Robbing, since he was a young man, a young analyst.

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Speaker 1: So what struck me about him is he might be

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Speaker 1: stuck in the past when Turkey wasn't real problem. Did

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Speaker 1: you walk away from that conversation thinking that.

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Speaker 2: I? In other words, he argued that Turkey is absolutely

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Speaker 2: Israel's currently pre eminent regional adversary, but that there's no

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Speaker 2: danger of actual kinetic war, right, that's what he said.

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Speaker 3: I yeah, I would say he is.

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Speaker 2: He is trying to set off alarm bells about Turkey.

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Speaker 2: He's not the only one that that's very clear to

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Speaker 2: Israeli officials.

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Speaker 3: I buy it.

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Speaker 5: I buy it.

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Speaker 2: I buy his argument that if Turkey goes to kinetic

1046
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Speaker 2: war with Israel through the you know, reairly Syrian border,

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Speaker 2: basically Syria is now basically a puppet of Turkey, that

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Speaker 2: that would fundamentally change Israel, fundamentally change Turkey.

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Speaker 3: It would be an event re ordering, you know, the global.

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Speaker 2: Landscape, certainly the Middle East, because Turkey has one of

1051
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Speaker 2: the largest armies in the world.

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Speaker 3: I think it's in the top ten.

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Speaker 2: A million men under arms, if I'm not mistake, in

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Speaker 2: two thousand tags, a navy three times the size of

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Speaker 2: Israel's navy. But Israel has a much smarter army with

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Speaker 2: better firepower. It has the F thirty five's as most

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Speaker 2: of Turkey's of eighteen's or F sixteens. It would be

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Speaker 2: a disaster, a catastrophe for the region, a catastrophe for

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Speaker 2: both countries.

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Speaker 3: Really doesn't think Turkey would would check.

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Speaker 1: They would maybe have an air forces of NATO, maybe

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Speaker 1: overwhelm the Israeli Air Force. The Israeli Defense Air Force

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Speaker 1: is amazing, but Turkey's got a lot of planes that

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Speaker 1: come out in NATO. They don't. I don't think they

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Speaker 1: have the F thirty five because we wouldn't sell it

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Speaker 1: to them because they had the Soviet system. So they're

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Speaker 1: getting rid of the Soviet system. But I was imagining

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Speaker 1: as I listened to you, if they get Al Shara

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Speaker 1: to provoke a fight with you, and then they supply

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Speaker 1: them without the little little gray men from Turkey. What

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Speaker 1: would Israel do if they knew it was actually Turks fighting,

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Speaker 1: not Syrians fighting.

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Speaker 2: We've had this question asked about Russia. Russia was the

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Speaker 2: main was a major, major umbrella of that US said

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Speaker 2: that allowed out said to do what he did to Syria,

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Speaker 2: and if I provided him the air cover and intelligence

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Speaker 2: help and really what served as his air force during

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Speaker 2: the Syrian Civil War, and.

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Speaker 3: Israel desperately didn't want to have.

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Speaker 2: A military engagement with Russia, with the Russian military, And

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Speaker 2: what ended up happening was Israel and Russia developed very

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Speaker 2: close cooperation and Israel could bomb what it needed to

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Speaker 2: bomb in Syria, and even if it was Asad's own

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Speaker 2: military forces, if they were, for example, helping Iran, you know,

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Speaker 2: ship missiles to Chasbella. Well, Russia helped outside, but didn't

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Speaker 2: touch the Israelis the coordination, it was complicated.

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Speaker 3: I suspect that that's what will happen if that happens here.

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Speaker 1: So he did not sound alarmed at the end. I'm

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Speaker 1: very alarmed by what's going on in Syria. Would you

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Speaker 1: guess the average member of both parties leadership left and right, center,

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Speaker 1: left and center right are very alarmed by what's going

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Speaker 1: on in Syria. They're murdering the Kurage we're getting out

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Speaker 1: of there. President Trump does not care about it. What's

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Speaker 1: the level of concern in Israel about al Shara? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: You know, the debate over whether he is moderate is

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Speaker 2: a debate with a huge asterisk.

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Speaker 3: The man is al Kaieda, he was formerly al Qaeda.

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Speaker 2: I don't think his relationship with his God and his

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Speaker 2: and his Qoran has changed fundamentally. I do think that

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Speaker 2: he has tremendous benefits to be gleaned from being moderate,

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Speaker 2: until he has benefits to be gleaned from not being moderated.

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Speaker 3: Very similar to aired one.

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Speaker 2: Aired One is the president of a serious major country,

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Speaker 2: a NATO member. He has a lot of benefits to

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Speaker 2: be gleaned from not becoming, you know, going down the

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Speaker 2: path of Muslim brotherhood in Egypt or in places like

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Speaker 2: Somalia where they demolish their own countries.

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Speaker 3: But that doesn't you know, but that doesn't mean he

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Speaker 3: doesn't he's not going to ultimately take the country there.

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Speaker 2: Turkey is not the democracy it was ten years ago,

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Speaker 2: and in ten years from now, it will not be

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Speaker 2: the democracy it is today. And so Turkey is on

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Speaker 2: the decline, will continue to decline, and they're going to

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Speaker 2: try and.

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Speaker 3: Look moderate the whole time to not create blowback in

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Speaker 3: the system.

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Speaker 2: So I don't trust the Shara, and Turkey has its

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Speaker 2: way in Syria anyway, and so this needs to start

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Speaker 2: treating Syria I think as part of Turkey and as

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Speaker 2: part of its major regional adversary.

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Speaker 1: I agree with every word of that. Don't go anywhere, America.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna come right back with Aviv Reddy Gore. We're

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Speaker 1: gonnask him about Iran in the longer segment today, because

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Speaker 1: of course that's just go listen to the professor and

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Speaker 1: Aviv talk at Ask Aviv anything. Join his patreon by

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Speaker 1: the way, it's the only patreon of which I am

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Speaker 1: a member. I don't actually join in the discussions over there.

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Speaker 1: I just want to keep Aviv producing more. Asked a

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Speaker 1: Viv anything and read him at the Free Press. I'll

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Speaker 1: be right back with Aviv. Well, you can follow our

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Speaker 1: next by the way at pat Aviv Reddick Gore. Stay tuned.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, American, Back with Aviv Reddick Gore. He is

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Speaker 1: the Middle East analyst for the Free Press. He's also

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Speaker 1: the host of ask Aviv Anything, a podcast you should

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Speaker 1: be listening to. He has a patreon, Askaviv Anything, which

1137
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: you should support so we get more. Ask Kaviv Anything.

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Speaker 1: Widely regarded as among the top three or four analysts

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Speaker 1: working in Israel today Aviv. Everyone is trying to guess

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Speaker 1: what Iran is going to do in the United States

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Speaker 1: is going to do, But I haven't asked any Israelis

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Speaker 1: yet what they think is going to happen there. What

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Speaker 1: do you think is going to happen?

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Speaker 2: Then Iran is desperately trying to avoid anything happening. It

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Speaker 2: has such a huge problem in house. It has lost

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Speaker 2: fundamental legitimacy. It's not just because of the June war,

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Speaker 2: with the war with Israel and of course the American

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Speaker 2: strike on Florida.

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Speaker 3: It's not just that it has been for about fifteen years.

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Speaker 2: We've seen public protests that have been escalating, the early

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Speaker 2: protests against the regime. It's a regime in power forty

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Speaker 2: seven years, right, and it has kind of driven the

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Speaker 2: Iranian economy into the dirt. I mean, people should google

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Speaker 2: the Gdpeper capital of Iran. It's third world, even though

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Speaker 2: it sits on some of the largest hydrocarbon reserves on Earth.

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Speaker 2: And we've seen over the last fifteen years protests, and

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00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 2: they started out small sactoral, and they started out by

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Speaker 2: people demanding, for example, that their vote be counted, because

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00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 2: in two thousand and nine the election was said to

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Speaker 2: be rigged to get at Ladina jov In power. It

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Speaker 2: started out with people engaging the region demanding their rights

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Speaker 2: from the regime. Now it's about tearing down the regime.

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Speaker 2: And they're much more massive, and they're not sectoral, and

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Speaker 2: the economy is just in a state of disaster with

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Speaker 2: electricity shortages and water shortages. The Iranian regime has a

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Speaker 2: profound foundational legitimacy crisis internally. And the question is can

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Speaker 2: it afford now to continue that kind of belligerent attitude,

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Speaker 2: the unbelievably expensive belligerent attitude it's had in the region,

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Speaker 2: especially when the Israelis cleaned their clocks so easily. For

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Speaker 2: forty seven years, they've been preparing the destruction of Israel,

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Speaker 2: and in twelve days, the Israelis wiped them out, and

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Speaker 2: the Iranian Air Force couldn't even fly against the Israelis,

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Speaker 2: so they are desperate to avoid a Trump airstrike, more attacks.

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Speaker 2: Hamina disappeared, disappeared for the majority of the last eight months,

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Speaker 2: literally wasn't seen. He had this big show of showing

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Speaker 2: his face last week, and now he's disappeared again. He's terrified,

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Speaker 2: and so they're trying to avoid it, and they're trying

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Speaker 2: to move as many other issues off their plate because

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Speaker 2: they have to survive these protests and this legitimacy crisis,

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Speaker 2: especially after massacring apparently around thirty thousand of their own people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been listening to a book Empire of Evil

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Speaker 1: by Mark Zelensky on the I mean Revolutionary Guard Corps

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Speaker 1: i RGC. They're not going to change. They're going to

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Speaker 1: stay who they are. And we saw who they were

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Speaker 1: on January ninth when they murdered thirty eight thousand people.

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Speaker 1: And I've set people to look at him. Meet Segaal's

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Speaker 1: site today because he has a video of a besie.

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Speaker 1: He's just executing a young man who's holding trying to

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Speaker 1: keep them out. It's like a college kid. He's a

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Speaker 1: high school kid. So they murdered thirty five thousand high

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Speaker 1: school kids. That's who they are. I don't think they

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Speaker 1: can back down. They'll never give up their ballistic missiles right.

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Speaker 2: No, they'll They'll never give up anything unless forced to

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Speaker 2: at the last. And they will never change, and they

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Speaker 2: will never release their.

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Speaker 3: Grip on power.

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Speaker 2: The only way to get any change in Iran is

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Speaker 2: to have such immense levers of influence over the regime

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Speaker 2: terrify it literally existentially to get it to change. But

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Speaker 2: once you've reached that point where you can terrify it existentially,

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Speaker 2: whant to just make the killing blow. And so the

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Speaker 2: Iranian regime is all it is. It will murder half

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Speaker 2: of Iran on its way down.

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Speaker 3: It is committed to it.

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Speaker 2: It is of the kind it's different from Hamas, it's

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Speaker 2: different from Belign some slight ways is very close to it.

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Speaker 2: It's actually basically a branch of the IRGC, but it

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Speaker 2: is of a type with other Islamist organizations like those

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Speaker 2: in the sense that it is utterly suicidal.

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Speaker 3: It will bring Iranian society.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that. So I want to tell you

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Speaker 1: what I think is going to happen and have you

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Speaker 1: critique it, which is I think President Trump is waiting

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Speaker 1: for the THAD batteries to deploy in every possible air

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Speaker 1: defense weapon to get to Israel and our other Golf

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Speaker 1: count Cooperation Council allies, and then we're going to begin

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Speaker 1: a campaign to end that regime by bombing, not unlike

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Speaker 1: that that was in Serbia, not unlike that that was

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Speaker 1: in Libya, only this time with better precision, better bombing,

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Speaker 1: better weapons. And that will go on as long as

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Speaker 1: it takes to go on for them to cry uncle.

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Speaker 1: That's what I think is going to happen. What do

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Speaker 1: you think, Gosh?

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Speaker 3: I hope so, Hugh, you talked to the president. I

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Speaker 3: don't talk to the president.

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Speaker 2: I very much hope that that sense of American intentions

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Speaker 2: is what's going to happen. One of the things that

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Speaker 2: we've seen on Iran from this White House is the

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Speaker 2: ability to do very good misdirection without leaks, very clever.

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Speaker 2: You know, the airplanes are flying in the wrong direction

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Speaker 2: and then suddenly the bomb lands.

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Speaker 3: We saw that in the attack in June.

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Speaker 2: So the fact that President Trump's preparing the bomb doesn't

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Speaker 2: necessarily mean he's going to do it. And the fact

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Speaker 2: that and if we see him starting to pull back

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Speaker 2: the forces, that might be the moment he does it.

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Speaker 2: We've already seen him act in those ways, and the

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Speaker 2: Iranians miscalculated several times with him, and so I think

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Speaker 2: now that they're very, very wary and afraid. I tend

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Speaker 2: to agree with you. You know, we've heard from the

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Speaker 2: Saudis a sense of real desperate vulnerability. Iran's ability to

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Speaker 2: hit Israel it exists. It's important.

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Speaker 3: They could.

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Speaker 2: They could wipe out city blocks in Israeli cities, but

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Speaker 2: they can't do more than that. Whereas their ability to

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Speaker 2: shatter the entirety of the Saudi oil spase and in

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Speaker 2: economy is they have that shorter range, they have many

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Speaker 2: many more missiles. The Arsenal is much larger than their

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Speaker 2: larger range missiles that they need to attack Israel. And

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Speaker 2: so the Saudis are absolutely terrified. And the Saudis are saying, apparently, okay,

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Speaker 2: we're hearing this from leaks and secondary sources. They're saying,

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Speaker 2: please please, please take him out, please please please attacked us.

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Speaker 5: When you do it.

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Speaker 2: And so that what you just described makes perfect sense,

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Speaker 2: And the fact that it's coming from you tells me

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Speaker 2: maybe there's maybe that is If that makes sense to you,

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Speaker 2: that makes sense to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't overestimate how much I know. I don't know much.

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Speaker 1: I expected him to go much sooner than this, and

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Speaker 1: then the delay happened. But I the way that I

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Speaker 1: read Trump as he says he and then not a

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Speaker 1: B and then not be and then he does Z.

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Speaker 1: So it's it's completely possible that nothing will happen. But

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Speaker 1: for him to have to risk a comparison with President

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Speaker 1: Obama is I think for him existential political peril and

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Speaker 1: historical peril. We got a minute to break, So I'm

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Speaker 1: going to give your credit and come back and ask

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Speaker 1: you do you think he risks comparison with President Obama?

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Speaker 1: If he doesn't, ask, don't go anywhere America. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to wrap up today's show talking to a viv Ready Gore.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to America. I'm Hugh Ewett. The close today's show.

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Speaker 1: Havevive Reddy Gore has stuck around. You can find him

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01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: at the Free Press. You can find him at vivetter

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01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: Gore on X and you ought to listen to ask

1275
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 1: Aviv anything that's his podcast. Join his Patreon community aviv.

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01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 1: If in fact, we're hammering Iran and we're doing our

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Speaker 1: best to save damage to Saudi Arabia, UAE and Israel.

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Speaker 1: And it's going well. Because when we want to hammer someone,

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Speaker 1: we're using the b toos. We can hammer someone a lot.

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Speaker 1: What happens in Iran afterwards, if in fact the regime falls,

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Speaker 1: what do you expect? What happened?

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Speaker 2: This is the multi billion dollar question. Nobody knows. Nobody knows.

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Speaker 2: Iranians don't know.

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Speaker 3: The Iranian regime itself doesn't know who would replace it.

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Speaker 2: It has spent forty seven years doing nothing but destroying

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Speaker 2: all basis of power that could possibly replace it. There

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Speaker 2: are a great many Iranians apparently, it's hard to measure

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Speaker 2: these things. There's chaos, there's internet blackouts. A great many

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Speaker 2: Iranians are hoping the king, the son of the of

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Speaker 2: the Shaw, returns Raza Palavi, even just in a symbolic role,

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Speaker 2: just as a kind of a kind of you know,

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Speaker 2: totem around which you can organize the rest of politics.

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Speaker 2: So not even not even as a constitutional monarch specifically,

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Speaker 2: but as some organizing principle around which you can build

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Speaker 2: a replacement.

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Speaker 3: Who has the power to do it? Nobody? And what

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Speaker 3: does that tell you? It tells you that elements of

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Speaker 3: the regime will replace the regime.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is a bad thing because what we had,

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Speaker 2: for example in Russia, Russia falls, the Soviet Union falls,

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Speaker 2: and what replaces it is this Yeltsin.

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Speaker 3: Guy.

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Speaker 2: Now Yeltin builds out a democracy that isn't really a democracy,

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Speaker 2: it's a klyptocracy that guts the economy and doesn't actually

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Speaker 2: set Russia on a new path toward the competent, serious democracy.

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Speaker 2: And then the return of the Soviet Union in the

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Speaker 2: midst of all that chaos. And if Yeltsin's an ability

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Speaker 2: to run Russia, you basically have a KGB retaking.

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Speaker 3: To bring order, and that is Putin and his group

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Speaker 3: of about I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Ten fifteen former KGB colonels who basically have run Russia

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Speaker 2: ever since. And so you could see a kind of

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Speaker 2: de islamized IRGC infrastructure or de Islamized running an army infrastructure,

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Speaker 2: retaking the regime after Now, if that happens, last point,

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Speaker 2: that's not necessarily a terrible thing.

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Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 2: A Western oriented dictatorship can democratize.

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Speaker 3: That's what South Korea's story is all about. That's what

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Speaker 3: many many countries had.

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Speaker 2: That Argentina, Argentina in Latin America there are a few examples,

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Speaker 2: and so better that than this Islamism that will gut

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Speaker 2: the regime while setting the region on fire roughly every

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Speaker 2: ten years.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we'll gut the country.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, haveviv on that note of agreement. I hope

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Speaker 1: we end up with a military regime that's transitional to democracy,

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Speaker 1: but that might be ten years, provided they give us

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Speaker 1: the missiles and all their glowing material buried under Fodor.

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Speaker 1: We'll check in with you in another month. In the meantime,

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Speaker 1: please keep pumping out, askavieve anything. Today's was magnificent because

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Speaker 1: you're asked. The professor was magnificent, and you asked the

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Speaker 1: right question, and you got excited with him.

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Speaker 5: He wasn't.

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Speaker 3: Can I just say go ahead? He's tells me for

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Speaker 3: many years. You asked about Obama. I want to say

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Speaker 3: something about President Trump.

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Speaker 2: You asked me, if President Trump doesn't bomd me wrong,

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Speaker 2: what happens can be compared to President Obama. I want

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Speaker 2: to be very clear about this, and I don't want

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Speaker 2: to step into American politics, and I don't know half

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Speaker 2: the topics that are setting American politics on fire. I

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Speaker 2: want to say, just in the context of the wrong issue.

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Speaker 2: Nothing President Trump Trump does with I wrong will ever

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Speaker 2: bring him down to the level of the disaster that

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Speaker 2: the j CPI represented.

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Speaker 3: The fact that the j CPI said that they can

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 2: Inspects can always go anywhere, but then there was a

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Speaker 2: twenty four hour period where they would have to have

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Speaker 2: a consultation over whether they.

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Speaker 3: Would go anywhere.

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Speaker 2: The fact that it didn't concern the ballistic missile program,

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Speaker 2: the fact that it released fifty two hundred billion dollars

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Speaker 2: for the IRGC, which.

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Speaker 3: We're invested in it because bla just to the signing bonus.

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Speaker 2: The fact that most of the major provisions ended by

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Speaker 2: now would have already ended history continued ten years, fifteen years,

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Speaker 2: is just kicking the can down the road. That is

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Speaker 2: not President Trump. President Trump has already caused more damage

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Speaker 2: to Pordo said back that program more than all the

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Speaker 2: President Obama's deals ever could. And so no, even if Trump,

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Speaker 2: in my view, for example, he hasn't But even if

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Speaker 2: I decide that he screwed this up and didn't do

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Speaker 2: the right thing, he will still have been much better

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Speaker 2: on this issue than President Obama, who has a lot

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Speaker 2: to answer for. He has thirty seven thousand Iranians to

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Speaker 2: apologize to well.

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Speaker 1: Said, thanks to America and thanks for listening

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