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Speaker 1: All right, my good friend Schabas Gustenbaum is back. We

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Speaker 1: know him from Praeger You and the Alex Marlow Show,

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Speaker 1: where he's been on several times in the past.

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Speaker 4: Shabas always nice to see you.

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Speaker 1: I reached out because you had a new show, and

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Speaker 1: let's just pluge that right out.

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Speaker 4: Of the gate here and then we'll get into the

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Speaker 4: news here. But tell me about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it.

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Speaker 5: So. The new show is called Theological, and as the

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Speaker 5: name suggests, we want young people, especially to tap into

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Speaker 5: their faith and spirituality. We have seen that post Charlie Kirk,

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Speaker 5: there has been this Charlie bump where young people who

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Speaker 5: are on the search for spirituality and eating and purpose

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Speaker 5: in their life are actually going back to religion. And

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Speaker 5: I know I have the funny hat. My name Mishab

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Speaker 5: is Custenbaum. But I will go to great length to

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Speaker 5: encourage young people. If you're a Christian, like you should

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Speaker 5: be going to church, and you should be reading the

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Speaker 5: New Testament, and you should be living a life in

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Speaker 5: accordance with the teachings of Jesus. In fact, my monody

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Speaker 5: is one of our most revered rabbinic stages of the

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Speaker 5: twelfth century. He says explicitly that Jews have an obligation

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Speaker 5: to show gratitude and appreciation to Christians because it was

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Speaker 5: Christianity that brought about the idea of Messianic expectations and mantheism.

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Speaker 5: So the point of our show is to get young

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Speaker 5: people back into faith. We have a faith leader on

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Speaker 5: every single week to talk about, you know, big ideas.

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Speaker 5: So we just had David Blie at the Gateway Center

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Speaker 5: to talk about the controversial topic of the day, what

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Speaker 5: is christian zion is and what is dispensationalism and replacement theology.

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Speaker 5: We then had a Catholic priest to talk about exorcisms.

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Speaker 5: In fact, the Pope Leo just had a whole conference

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Speaker 5: can you actually prevent yourself from from needing one a

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Speaker 5: brand new topic exploring religion and we want young people

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Speaker 5: to tap into their faith and really follow the legacy

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Speaker 5: of Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 4: So I got a lot of responses to that.

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Speaker 1: And first of all, Mot's shocked to hear you say

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Speaker 1: that it doesn't matter what your faith is. More faith

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Speaker 1: is generally a good thing unless you're on the Jihad track.

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Speaker 4: It just seems to be in that case at less

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Speaker 4: faith like a little bore. Instagram reels like that case.

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Speaker 1: If you're on that, it's been a little more time

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Speaker 1: on TikTok in that case. But unless you're on that track,

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Speaker 1: it's a good thing. And you know our friend Dennis Frager,

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Speaker 1: he is who you work for him now. I get

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Speaker 1: the same thing, And I do think that that's really important.

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Speaker 4: But so I want to talk about one thing.

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Speaker 1: Can I come on and complain about how the Catholic

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Speaker 1: Church does not provide enough opportunity for young people? It's

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Speaker 3: We're happy to have you evangelized.

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Speaker 5: I just don't want to get into any more trouble

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Speaker 5: with the Catholic Church than I already am. I don't

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Speaker 5: know if you've been following the White House Religious Liberties Commission,

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Speaker 5: but Carrie Projan Bohler, who was fired from the Commission

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Speaker 5: Offered to debate her on the lie she's been saying

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Candice Owens say, is the same thing where she's

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Speaker 1: it's very odd, but you know, it's as a Catholic.

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Speaker 1: So this is not news for me. But yeah, I

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Speaker 1: did notice that that Carrie Prajan does. She does talk

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Speaker 4: Why did she get kicked off that religious liberties thing?

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Speaker 4: She did something anti Semitic or something. Is that what

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Speaker 5: Okay, No, she did not get fired for being an

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Speaker 5: So I was just walking through very very quickly. The

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Speaker 5: there are thirteen commissioners, like five of them are Catholic.

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Speaker 5: I do not talk about Israel. I don't talk about

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Speaker 5: isn't happening, but being more fundamentally had literally nothing to

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Speaker 1: That's kind of why I'm tuned now on this is

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Speaker 5: There actually is a genocide, there is Jewish supremacy, and

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Speaker 5: three weeks of just making up lies about President Trump,

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Speaker 4: You know what I was just reminded of.

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Speaker 1: She wrote an article for me at Breitbart seventeen years ago,

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Speaker 4: I had at all points to be see all Rosie.

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Speaker 4: Back to bright Bart, I've already said this is.

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Speaker 1: The We're responsible for all all of the most interesting

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Speaker 5: identity or ethnicity or particular background, they would lower the

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Speaker 5: standards because they don't believe that you are capable of

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Speaker 5: possessing or achieving meritocracy. And I think probably the best

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Speaker 5: I shouldn't even say the best example of Another good

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Speaker 5: example of this is the Save Act. So I'm a

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Speaker 5: support of the Save ACTU I whome you're in support

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Speaker 5: of the Save Act, But I can understand the political

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Speaker 5: grievances on the other side that, hey, voter fraud isn't

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Speaker 5: batic of an issue, and this wouldn't really address the problem.

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Speaker 5: I think those are legitimate. I disagree with it, but

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Speaker 5: I think those are legitimate responses. However, the Save Act

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Speaker 5: has coalesced the Democratic Party into publicly admitting that we

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Speaker 5: just don't believe black people are smart enough to get ideas.

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Speaker 3: We don't think they are.

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Speaker 5: Intellectually capable of applying for passports. What Chuck Schumer has

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Speaker 5: been saying the last two or three weeks is copy

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Speaker 5: pays from like the Jim Crow South, like blacks are

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Speaker 5: too dumb, and therefore we as the Democrats, need to

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Speaker 5: safeguard them from doing the most basic due diligence. It

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Speaker 5: is profound the level of overt racism that the far

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Speaker 5: left has and how they treat minority groups and Conservatism.

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Speaker 5: This is why I'm now conservative, says again. You're all

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Speaker 5: created in the image of God. You all have the

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Speaker 5: ability to possess human agency and to make choices for yourself.

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Speaker 3: Anyone can possess a passport.

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Speaker 5: It's not adjudicated or it's not decided on what your race,

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Speaker 5: or sexual orientation or gender is.

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Speaker 1: So one thing that where you got your I think

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Speaker 1: first little taste of notoriety was going up against Harvard

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Speaker 1: and some of their discriminatory practices. I got a funny

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Speaker 1: Harvard story that hopefully missus doctor Marlow won't mind me

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Speaker 1: sharing this. But I am married to my high school sweetheart,

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Speaker 1: as I talked about on the show, and I've known

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Speaker 1: my wife for more than half our lives, and she's

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Speaker 1: a very bright person. She's an oncologist now and is

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Speaker 1: a done very well and everything she's ever done.

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Speaker 4: And we met in high school.

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Speaker 1: She's a standout student and had all the great extracurriculars

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Speaker 1: and was actually the daughter of a Harvard legacy person

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Speaker 1: or her day. Went to Harvard twice and including Harvard

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Speaker 1: Medical School, and she got rejected from Harvard. And I

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Speaker 1: always thought that was very stupid because it was clearly

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Speaker 1: she was she was going to do great in her life.

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Speaker 1: Anyone who meets her knows that she was going to

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Speaker 1: be success. That it was the surest bed ever and

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Speaker 1: you can get in. And I always it worked out

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Speaker 1: great for me because she ended up at Berkeley where

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Speaker 1: I was, and then you know, our whole life was

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Speaker 1: ahead of us at that point, which was terrific.

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Speaker 4: So it all worked out. God has a plan for

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Speaker 4: all of us. But it was also unfair.

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Speaker 1: And I was thinking about this stuff and I never

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Speaker 1: got over She got over it. I never got over

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Speaker 1: it on her behalf, because it's not fair. She should

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Speaker 1: have got to go wherever she wanted because she was

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Speaker 1: going to be success.

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Speaker 4: And so it's one of.

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Speaker 1: These things where clearly something happened in the admissions process

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Speaker 1: where they took the sure bat person that we're not

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Speaker 1: having her for whatever reason. And it makes me think,

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Speaker 1: it makes me loathe higher education, which is I think

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Speaker 1: very healthy for someone with my politics, and so a

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Speaker 1: lot of the discussion this.

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Speaker 4: Week and my show has been about AI.

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Speaker 1: And one thing that I'm actually optimistic about with AI

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Speaker 1: is I think people are going to teach themselves a

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Speaker 1: lot better with more I would say, individualize curricula for

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Speaker 1: themselves using AI, and I think is going to be

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Speaker 1: totally devastating to higher education. As someone who has been

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Speaker 1: a prominent critic of some faults and higher education, do

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Speaker 1: you have any hope as I do, that perhaps AI

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Speaker 1: could finally be the come up and for higher ed.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think nutrition has gotten way too complicated.

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Speaker 1: Every week there's a new powder, a new lab, creative formula,

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Speaker 1: some new breakthrough. But here's the truth. We've been told

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Speaker 1: as we were kids to eat our fruits and vegetables,

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Speaker 1: but no one really explained why when you eat whole foods,

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Speaker 1: you're getting phyto nutrients, those natural compounds your body uses

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Speaker 1: to adjust, repair and respond every single day.

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Speaker 4: That's not hype.

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Speaker 1: That's how we were designed and that's why I take

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Speaker 1: whole health system includes fruits and veggies, plus fiber and spice,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not a Luddant.

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Speaker 5: I have a healthy dose of skepticism with AI, as

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Speaker 5: I think any rational person would. But ultimately, AI is

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Speaker 5: a technology, a new technology, just like any other new technology,

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Speaker 5: just like the advent of the Internet, just like the

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Speaker 5: advent of personal computers and cell phones. So there is

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Speaker 5: a legitimate question as to you know, this is coming

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Speaker 5: for our jobs, and you know, what are the safeguards,

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Speaker 5: if any, we should put in place. I think those

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Speaker 5: are healthy conversations happening within political discourse. But ultimately, when

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Speaker 5: it comes to higher education, I think AI is a

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Speaker 5: tremendous thing because so often we have seen professors and

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Speaker 5: the Ivy leagues are a good case study of this

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Speaker 5: teaching students not how to think, but what to think.

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Speaker 5: So if the concern is we don't want students using

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Speaker 5: an AI chatbot, because it's simply going to regurgitate information

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Speaker 5: and indoctrinate them to believe a certain politic. Can I

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Speaker 5: introduce you to like Harvard University of the last fifty years.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's essentially what their professors are already doing,

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Speaker 5: at least with AI. You know, you can sort of

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Speaker 5: challenge with a challenge the model without thinking that your

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Speaker 5: grades will suffer as a result. And I actually posted

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Speaker 5: on my Twitter just a few hours ago in open

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Speaker 5: letter to the Harvard University, to the donors, to the trustees,

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Speaker 5: and I had said, look, I know you hate me,

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Speaker 5: you hate President Trump. You think this is a fascist

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Speaker 5: overhaul of you know, higher education and the enforcement of

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Speaker 5: federal laws really just from grandiose conspiracy. But like, does

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Speaker 5: it bother you that ninety seven percent of your faculty

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Speaker 5: believe in one ideology liberalism? Does it bother you that

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Speaker 5: you have professors who are stating that they were told

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Speaker 5: not to hire white men if they had a less

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Speaker 5: qualified black person or gay person. Does it bother you

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Speaker 5: that you're former president, an actual serial plagiarist, has a

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Speaker 5: salary of nine hundred thousand dollars and is now going

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Speaker 5: to be teaching classes next semester on leadership using Harvard

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Speaker 5: Education study, Like do these things bother you? And of

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Speaker 5: course the answer is no, not really, because again, so

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Speaker 5: many of these institutions they run like what people in

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Speaker 5: AI chatbox will be. They just run on autopilot. They're

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Speaker 5: not accountable to the students that they allegedly represent. So

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Speaker 5: I think AI can do tremendous disruption, but I say

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Speaker 5: disruption in a very positive sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and people are there rightly afraid of it. I

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Speaker 1: think it's going to cause a lot of the problems

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Speaker 1: in the job market, and I think that a lot

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Speaker 1: of people who are not going to be able to

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Speaker 1: get entry level jobs, they're not going to exist. I

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Speaker 1: think it's a real threat, but I think overall, I

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Speaker 1: am really optimistic on the education side. This is a

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Speaker 1: side where I feel like it could do a lot

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Speaker 1: of good.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, I don't mean interrupt you.

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Speaker 5: I just want to add one last thing, and I'm

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Speaker 5: curious for your thoughts on this. I mean, a hallmark

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Speaker 5: of market capitalism is creative destruction. And it's true that

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to think of a good example. Thomas Edison

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Speaker 5: bought a brought a lot of the whale lamp industry

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Speaker 5: executives to their needes, and he got a lot of

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Speaker 5: that industry irrelevant. But we were better off as a

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Speaker 5: result as consumers and suppliers. So I agree there's a

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Speaker 5: healthy worry and skepticism what is.

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Speaker 3: AI going to do?

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Speaker 5: But ultimately, I mean, so much of our life has

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Speaker 5: been bettered by technology since the Industrial Revolution, and I

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Speaker 5: don't see AI as this grandiose, doom scale level threat

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Speaker 5: destruction that's so many on the left and increasingly the

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Speaker 5: right belief. I think, again, we could be like skeptical

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Speaker 5: to a healthy degree, but ultimately, this is just a

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Speaker 5: new technology that yeah, certain industries could be threatened, but

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Speaker 5: if we are better off economically, financially, culturally as a result,

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's just the history of capitalism.

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Speaker 4: So let me do something that's really fun.

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Speaker 1: I try to do this on the show a lot,

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Speaker 1: but this is kind of your job full time at

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Speaker 1: this point. I sometimes like to pose arguments I see

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Speaker 1: the left making and try to offer some retorts, even

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Speaker 1: though and not dismissed the amount of hand, which is

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Speaker 1: a mistake I think a lot of people do. Is

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Speaker 1: that the left is way worse about this than we are.

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Speaker 1: But everyone is inclined to go to their tribe where

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Speaker 1: it's safe. And so let's take on some of the

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Speaker 1: things they're saying, and let's take some on in regards

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Speaker 1: to Israel in particular, how do you react You're.

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Speaker 4: In debate, Javis.

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Speaker 1: Someone says that Israel is actually genocide in the Palestinians.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, that's not a hypothetical.

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Speaker 5: That's basically the question I get asked every single day,

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Speaker 5: every single college, every single you know, I want to

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Speaker 5: talk about immigration and the Epstein lists and tariffs and

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Speaker 5: all everyone else, Let's talk about is Israel, which is

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Speaker 5: a line that actually Denis Prager brought up. He said,

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Speaker 5: the Israel first star, you know, Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson,

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Speaker 5: because they see Israel in anything and everything as it

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Speaker 5: pertains to the particularity.

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Speaker 1: Is unbelievable that they've steered out, like I can't believe that,

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Speaker 1: even if you agree with every word that Tucker says.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the fact that eighty plus percent of the

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Speaker 1: shows are about.

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Speaker 4: Israel is kind of unbelievable. That that's that's a choice.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's a conscious choice. It's a conscious choice.

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Speaker 5: I'm an Orthodox Jew, meaning I pray three times a day,

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Speaker 5: and when we pray, we face Jerusalem, and we mentioned

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Speaker 5: the return to Zion dozens and dozens of times in

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Speaker 5: our thrice daily prayers.

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Speaker 3: And even an Orthodox Jew does not talk.

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Speaker 5: About Israel as much as Tucker Carlson and Candas Owens.

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Speaker 5: But getting back to the particular side of your question,

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Speaker 5: if Israel was committing a genoid against the pus In people,

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Speaker 5: first and foremost, like why did it stop? Like wire

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Speaker 5: Pusen is not being killed right now because there's a ceasefire.

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Speaker 5: What Nazi Germany abided by ceasefires and they said, you know,

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Speaker 5: in nineteen forty three, you know what, the war is

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Speaker 5: going really poorly on the Eastern Front, so we're going.

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Speaker 3: To stop killing Jews. The opposite was true.

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Speaker 5: In fact, they deported almost all of Hungarian jewy in

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Speaker 5: a four month window towards the end of the war.

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Speaker 5: As the Germans were losing the war, you would think

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Speaker 5: they would put more ornaments and supplies and military power

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Speaker 5: on the Eastern Front.

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Speaker 3: They did the opposite. They were treated their.

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Speaker 5: Soldiers and put more efforts and money on deporting and

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Speaker 5: killing the Jews of Hungary in Auschwitz. So number one,

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Speaker 5: if like Israel is coming to genide, like why stop?

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Speaker 3: Just continue?

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Speaker 5: If anything, it's a pretty bizarre way of conducting a

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Speaker 5: genocide because I saw with my own eyes the more

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Speaker 5: than eight hundred humanitarian A trucks going into Gaza on

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Speaker 5: a daily basis from the karamshaloone border crossing from Egypt

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Speaker 5: being inspected in Israel and going into Gaza trucks of

658
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Speaker 5: feminine hygiene products, baby formula, clothing, medicine. That's a bizarre

659
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Speaker 5: way of conducting a genocide. I mean, Israel actually went

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Speaker 5: into Gaza and they vaccinated six hundred one thousand young

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Speaker 5: people against the polio disease, which again it's a bizarre

662
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Speaker 5: way of conducting a genocide. Why would you inoculate a

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Speaker 5: terrorist population the enemy combatants so they don't die of polio.

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Speaker 5: If it's a genocide, then you're gonna have to understand

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Speaker 5: why it has. You're gonna have to explain why it

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Speaker 5: has one of the lowest combat to civilian ratios of

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Speaker 5: any war in modern warfare. In fact, the rates are

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Speaker 5: much lower than just local BA battles like Fallujah or

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Speaker 5: Mosul that took place against isis fundamentally, they are more

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Speaker 5: Palestinians alive today than pre October seventh. In fact, there

671
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Speaker 5: are more Palestinians alive today than nineteen forty eight. So

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Speaker 5: if we're conducting a genocide, we're doing a really really

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Speaker 5: bad job. I mean, the Palestinians in the West Bank

674
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Speaker 5: have been untouched. It's only the Palestinians in Gaza. So

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Speaker 5: if we're conducting a genocide, how can we've left the

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Speaker 5: majority territory where the majority of the Palestinians live, completely untouched.

677
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Speaker 5: And the reaction when I say these things as well,

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Speaker 5: you wear the funny hat and your name is shab

679
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Speaker 5: Is Castenbaum, so yours on the zionis payroll. You're paid

680
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Speaker 5: seven thousand dollars by a pack and this zion is

681
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Speaker 5: propaganda points. And this, to me is one of the

682
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Speaker 5: biggest problems within American political culture today, especially amongst young people,

683
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Speaker 5: because Ben Shapiro has this great line, facts don't care

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Speaker 5: about your feelings, and that's true in the face of

685
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Speaker 5: overwhelming data and evidence. It's irrelevant how you emotionally relate

686
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Speaker 5: to that. But I have found, especially on college campuses,

687
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Speaker 5: the end verse is true. And when I do these debates,

688
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Speaker 5: particularly on Israel. Feelings don't care about your facts. So

689
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Speaker 5: I can show them the facts on the ground, But

690
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Speaker 5: because they are predposed, because they have these preconceived political

691
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Speaker 5: notions that Israel is a white sellar colonial state conducting

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Speaker 5: a genocide, it literally does not face them in any

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Speaker 5: meaningful way. And I think that's what's the most scary, Like,

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Speaker 5: how do you convince people who actually are not interested

695
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Speaker 5: in being convinced through facts and data and logic. That's

696
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Speaker 5: a big issue. I don't have any easy answer for it.

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Speaker 1: So, Shavis, either we came to the same quote or

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Speaker 1: you somehow heard this quote. It trickled down for so

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Speaker 1: many of my ideas over the years. Back to you,

700
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Speaker 1: but I've been saying this for many years. Feelings don't

701
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Speaker 1: care about your facts. And Twitter is real life, and

702
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: people's reaction to their online avatar is what matters most,

703
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: and their feelings is what matters most. And all the

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Speaker 1: quote the hope that we're just going to go back

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Speaker 1: to a society that cares about facts first, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Democrats would never win again. It's just true to say

707
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Speaker 1: this is hyperbole. But they don't run on their records.

708
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Speaker 1: They run on fields, they run on vibes, they run

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Speaker 1: on optics, They don't actually really Gavin Newsom is the

710
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Speaker 1: worst track record of any Democrat in public office right now,

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Speaker 1: and she's the front runner for president. They don't care

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Speaker 1: about facts. Facts don't matter. What matters is how do

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Speaker 1: you feel about certain things at a given time. And

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Speaker 1: I don't think bended any damage.

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Speaker 4: With that quote. But it's just not an accurate quote.

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Speaker 1: It it gets people fired up, but it doesn't ultimately

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Speaker 1: mean anything in the real world, right.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's funny because I didn't like Ben when

719
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Speaker 5: he said that because I was on the left, and

720
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Speaker 5: now I've done a one to eighty. But to your

721
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Speaker 5: point is going to sound a little odd. I have

722
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Speaker 5: profoundly more respect for someone like ilhan Omar than I

723
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Speaker 5: do Gavin Newsom. I mean, I abhor ilhan Omar, and

724
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Speaker 5: I think her ideas are dangerous for our country, and

725
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Speaker 5: she has a case study in denaturalization. I think she

726
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Speaker 5: should absolutely be brought back to Somalia. She herself said

727
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Speaker 5: she's here to represent the interests of the Somalia people,

728
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Speaker 5: and what better place to do that than in Somalia.

729
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Speaker 5: But she sticks to her convictions you know, Israel's a

730
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Speaker 5: terrorist state. America is a terrorist state, and she will

731
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Speaker 5: say that irrespective of what time of day it is.

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Speaker 5: Davin Newsom is such a snake because he will say,

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Speaker 5: I mean, he did this last week that Israel's an

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Speaker 5: apartheid state, and he wants to do a stream with

735
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Speaker 5: Hassan Piker, and then three days later we'll say, no,

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Speaker 5: I didn't mean that.

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Speaker 1: That's what you're talking about, and he blamed on Tom Freebman,

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Speaker 1: he blamed in the New York Times.

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Speaker 4: We're kind of scary.

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Speaker 1: Because the New York Times that's saying that Israel's an

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Speaker 1: apartheid state.

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Speaker 4: Or well, we'll take that on it. I think I

743
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Speaker 4: actually asked you this specific question.

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Speaker 3: But take that on that is an apartheids.

745
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Speaker 5: If Israel's an apartheid state, then someone has to clearly

746
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Speaker 5: articulate to me a single right that a Jewish citizen

747
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Speaker 5: of Israel has that a Muslim citizen of Israel doesn't have.

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Speaker 5: That will be the only characterization of how you know

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Speaker 5: whether something is an apartheid state or not. And actually

750
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Speaker 5: going back to this Jubilee episode, I asked the Muslim

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Speaker 5: panelist that very same question because she had said, Isral's

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Speaker 5: an apartheid state. So I said, okay, how can you

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Speaker 5: demonstrate that? And so she spoke about how Palaes Stittings

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Speaker 5: in the West Bank and Palestinians in Gaza don't have

755
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Speaker 5: the same rights as Israeli citizens. Said, of course that's true,

756
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Speaker 5: because they reject the fact that the state of Israel

757
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Speaker 5: exists and they don't want to be Israeli citizens. I

758
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Speaker 5: don't have the same rights as Portuguese citizens because I

759
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Speaker 5: don't live in Portugal and I'm not Portuguese. However, when

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Speaker 5: it comes to the state of Israel, people actually living

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Speaker 5: in the territory and are governed by the government, there

762
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Speaker 5: is not a single right you can point to that

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Speaker 5: Jews have, that Muslims don't, that Israelis have, that Arabs don't.

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Speaker 3: It's a nonsense argument.

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Speaker 5: But again we have play caidd and acquiesced and surrender

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Speaker 5: to the lowest common denominator. We have the second largest

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Speaker 5: political party in the thatited state. It's the Democratic Party

768
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Speaker 5: that are catering to the lowest common denominator of their base,

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Speaker 5: and they are affirming all of these grandiose delusions, which

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Speaker 5: is why Kamala Harris rip when she was running in

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty four, she brought about this idea.

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Speaker 3: It didn't really get a lot.

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Speaker 5: Of coverage in the media, but I thought it really

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Speaker 5: encapsulated everything wrong with the party. Where she was being

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Speaker 5: asked by one of these hamasniks about her support for Israel,

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Speaker 5: which by the way, she has no support for Israel,

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Speaker 5: but I digress, and she said by and I quote, well,

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Speaker 5: that's your truth, and I have a different truth. That

779
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Speaker 5: is not how democracy works, that's not how Western civilization

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Speaker 5: can survive or sustain itself. That is out of the

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Speaker 5: Marxist playbook. There is no your truth and my truth.

782
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Speaker 5: There are simply the truth. And we have an obligation.

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Speaker 5: Whether you're in the conservative political space, whether you're running

784
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Speaker 5: for president on the Democratic Party, whether you're just you know,

785
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Speaker 5: a father or a mother, we always have an obligation

786
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Speaker 5: to tell the truth, no matter how inconvenient or uncomfortable

787
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Speaker 5: it makes us. And this brings brings me to a

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Speaker 5: sort of related point, although not really. I was on again,

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Speaker 5: going back to Peers Morgan. I was on a show

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Speaker 5: a week or two ago, and I am no Ben Shapiro,

791
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Speaker 5: and I'm a real nobody I'm not a major conservative voice.

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Speaker 3: But I have a platform. I mean, I work at Prager.

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Speaker 5: You and I told Michael Noles, who I have the

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Speaker 5: utmost respect for, and I did not mean this in

795
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Speaker 5: any personal way.

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Speaker 3: This is not a criticism, but.

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Speaker 5: I did suggest, in fact I didn't suggest, I said

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Speaker 5: it explicitly that you, Michael who you do have prominence,

799
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Speaker 5: You do have sway to millions of people, especially young people.

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Speaker 5: I think you do have an obligation, especially as a

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Speaker 5: you know, Bible believe in Christian that when you see evil,

802
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Speaker 5: you have an obligation to call it out. A Book

803
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Speaker 5: of Deuteronomy is incredibly clear about how we are to

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Speaker 5: treat the widow. And when you have someone who is

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Speaker 5: not treating the widow in the way the Bible demands

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Speaker 5: of us to put it mildly, and you don't say anything,

807
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Speaker 5: that to me sort of seems like an abandonment of

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Speaker 5: biblical values. And it also seems to be what Kamala

809
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Speaker 5: Harris engages in the Your Truth and My Truth, And

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Speaker 5: that's very, very scary.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking about the Candace context here with this stuff,

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Speaker 1: like it was that kind of what was implied there.

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Speaker 4: I'm not trying to get in trouble.

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Speaker 1: But because I don't know Knowles at all, I don't

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Speaker 1: really we don't do a ton of interacting with the

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Speaker 1: Daily Wire if you know the history Shava, so between

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Speaker 1: Bright Part and Daily Wire it's very interesting. I don't

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Speaker 1: make a big point of talking about it too much

819
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Speaker 1: for strategic reasons. So I don't know Michael at all,

820
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Speaker 1: but I think he's Candace's kids godfather, I think, or

821
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Speaker 1: something like that, which is that's a horrible position just

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Speaker 1: because it's what she does is just it's truly demotic.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what she's doing ye the public soona and

824
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Speaker 1: that does put you the ties. It's not family, but

825
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Speaker 1: it's very close to it. It's very hard to criticize

826
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Speaker 1: people like that, and then you sound very stupid when

827
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Speaker 1: you opt out. Also, like Megan Kelly saying that she's

828
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Speaker 1: at criticizing Candace because she's a mother, it's a Erica

829
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Speaker 1: Kirscham mother. Like that argument was terrible. It's a terrible. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just a bad argue. I'm not trying to judge

831
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Speaker 1: the entirety of Megan's character. I'm just saying that's not

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Speaker 1: a good argument.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I also think it was Matt Walsh brought up

834
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Speaker 5: the fact that Megan Markle is a mother, and in fact,

835
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Speaker 5: Megan Markle was pregnant, but that did not stop Megan

836
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Speaker 5: Kelly from obsessing over Megan Markles. So she only has

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Speaker 5: one she has a double standard. There's one standard for

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Speaker 5: Candaceellins and then a completely different standard for literally everybody else.

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Speaker 5: But fine, let's not talk about Michael because you're right,

840
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 5: he's in a difficult personal and familial position. I still

841
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Speaker 5: think that, nevertheless, we have an obligation. But I digress

842
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 5: in general, Like, let's talk about conservatives as conservatives, right,

843
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 5: we have to define what conservatism is. Ben made this

844
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 5: tremendous speech at Amfest where he said, we need physical

845
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Speaker 5: borders for our country, we also.

846
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Speaker 3: Need ideological borders.

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Speaker 5: And we don't have to talk about Candi Sowins or

848
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Speaker 5: Israeling though that's the only thing people want to talk about.

849
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Speaker 5: Let's talk about like chemical castration, as in, if you

850
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Speaker 5: are a doc and you believe that it is the

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Speaker 5: constitutional right for a seven year old to have their

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Speaker 5: genitals removed because they were born into the wrong body,

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Speaker 5: and then you call up Matt slap at Seapack and

854
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 5: you say, Matt, I demand to be given a platform

855
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 5: on the main stage at Sea Pack and talk about

856
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Speaker 5: the constitutional right that young Americans have to cut off

857
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Speaker 5: their penises.

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Speaker 3: And when Matt Schlapp inevitably says no, is he.

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Speaker 5: Silencing my free speech? Is he engaging in cancel culture. No,

860
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Speaker 5: he's engaging in common sense, and he is conserving what

861
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Speaker 5: it means to be a conservative because there are certain values,

862
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Speaker 5: there are certain political propositions that we abhord that we

863
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Speaker 5: don't agree with, and you, as the doctor, have every

864
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Speaker 5: right to talk about your bizarre theories on chemical castration.

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Speaker 5: But what you don't have a right to do is

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Speaker 5: demand that we be giving you a seat at the table. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and that used to be obvious, that was the rational,

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Speaker 5: normative approach, but Israel just demented people's minds.

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Speaker 3: And now when Ben.

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Speaker 5: Makes a very similar approach, all of a sudden, it's,

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Speaker 5: you know, canceling our free speech and attacking the first time.

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Speaker 4: That's an argument.

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing a lot that anybody who disagrees is then

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Speaker 1: silencing you, which is not really so.

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Speaker 4: In fact, it's the in Ben's case, it's actually the oppostion.

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Speaker 4: And this is where I watched.

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Speaker 1: That speech, and there's I agreed with most of it,

878
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Speaker 1: but there was a I didn't love it, partially because

879
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 1: Ben really boosted Candace's signal and gave her millions of

880
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Speaker 1: dollars to become a much bigger star, and they worked

881
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Speaker 1: night and day to make sure she was an even

882
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Speaker 1: bigger star. And then she has used it to really

883
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Speaker 1: try to bude the entire movement and go after a

884
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Speaker 1: lot of innocent people. And it was just it sort

885
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Speaker 1: of and Ben sort of appointed himself as he's going

886
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Speaker 1: to be the one who's going to shepherd us through

887
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Speaker 1: this moment, and I just is not the right casting

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Speaker 1: for me, like as a card carrying.

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Speaker 4: Conservative movement member.

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Speaker 1: But to you to an iStream point earlier also about

891
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Speaker 1: the way we're discussing is real in particular online, I

892
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Speaker 1: can't say anything it Israel without inevitably getting a couple

893
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Speaker 1: of DMS saying that I'm an Israel first, like I'm

894
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Speaker 1: the first America first guy.

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Speaker 4: I was like the first one here. I was the

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Speaker 4: guy when Trump's coming.

897
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Speaker 1: Down the escalator, bicking him up and bright part news

898
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Speaker 1: of the front page when everyone else is going, is

899
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Speaker 1: this some sort of a joke because you're going to

900
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Speaker 1: do ww E stuff.

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Speaker 4: I say, no, this guy's going to be the president.

902
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Speaker 4: I'm like the first guy there.

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Speaker 1: But I'm also Israel first, so it's like, well, i've

904
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Speaker 1: never been to Israel.

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Speaker 3: I like it.

906
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Speaker 1: I think it's great, but it's like I don't know

907
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Speaker 1: about it Israel first. But still that's where the debate goes,

908
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Speaker 1: and you just go, I'm just gonna log off and

909
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Speaker 1: just move on with my life, go play it by kids.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well, first of all, I'm not just respond to the

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Speaker 5: Ben thing because to your point, when you used to,

913
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Speaker 5: you know, he appointed himself the arbiture of this conservative thing.

914
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Speaker 5: I think Ben would be the first one to say,

915
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Speaker 5: I don't want to do it. I wish Megan Kelly

916
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Speaker 5: did it. I wish Michael Knowles did it. I wish

917
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Speaker 5: other people did it. But they're not doing it, so

918
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Speaker 5: I'm forced to do it. And I also would agree

919
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Speaker 5: because because he wears the hat, because I wear the hat,

920
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Speaker 5: we're at a disadvantage because no matter what we say,

921
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Speaker 5: and I'll address your question right now, no matter what

922
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Speaker 5: we say, it's always like, well shut up, Jew, and

923
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Speaker 5: I don't know how to combat that. That's why like

924
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Speaker 5: Charlie Kirk had a degree of legitimacy and credibility that

925
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Speaker 5: I will never have because he had no obvious reason

926
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Speaker 5: to care about Israel. He had no obvious reason to

927
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Speaker 5: care about, you know, biblical values other than he actually

928
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Speaker 5: believed in it, so he would make the exact same

929
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Speaker 5: arguments that someone like Ben Shapiro would.

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Speaker 3: It went a heck of a lot further.

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Speaker 5: Because again, it doesn't wear the funny hat, and that's

932
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Speaker 5: you know, damning indictment on our political culture. But I

933
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Speaker 5: digress in terms of like the Israel first thing, I

934
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Speaker 5: get accused of it the whole time, and even though

935
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Speaker 5: I respond to it, and I clearly pinpoint where and

936
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Speaker 5: why my support of Israel exists. I support American military dominance.

937
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Speaker 5: I support the preservation of Western hegemony, which is why

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Speaker 5: I support Israel.

939
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Speaker 3: I support Taiwan.

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Speaker 5: I support Ukraine, which I know puts me at odds

941
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Speaker 5: with other conservatives. But I do that not because I'm

942
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Speaker 5: Ukraine first. I do that not because I'm Taiwan first

943
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Speaker 5: or Israel first. I do it because it serves the

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Speaker 5: interests of the American people. If we can essentially halt

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Speaker 5: the progress of the Russian army with a tenth of.

946
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Speaker 3: Our military budget. We would be stupid not to do

947
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Speaker 3: that thing.

948
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Speaker 5: If we can support an ally where we get what

949
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Speaker 5: ninety percent of our semiconductor chips from at a tenth

950
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Speaker 5: of the cost, we would be stupid not to do it.

951
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Speaker 5: And yes, if we can get another country like Israel

952
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Speaker 5: to kill Islamists who have American blood on their hands,

953
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 5: we would be stupid not to do that thing.

954
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Speaker 3: And it just bothers me to no end.

955
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Speaker 5: And I won't mention names because I really we don't

956
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Speaker 5: want to give them a pl platform. But it bothers

957
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Speaker 5: me to know end that both prominent voices and voices

958
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 5: on the crazy far right they will denounce. They won't

959
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Speaker 5: even listen to any of my arguments. They will just

960
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 5: see the funny hat. They will just see My name

961
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Speaker 5: is like straight out of Central casting.

962
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Speaker 3: Shabi is custom Baum.

963
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Speaker 5: And that is the extent of their political identity that

964
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Speaker 5: you know, shut up Jew. And as I said, I

965
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Speaker 5: still to this day, you know, this bothers me to

966
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Speaker 5: no end. I don't know how to overcome that, because

967
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Speaker 5: when you are dealing with a populace or with a

968
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Speaker 5: specific electorate that are not interested in debate or dialogue

969
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 5: or fact. They're just interested in shut up Jew your

970
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 5: name is idiotic. In fact, Nick Fuentt has once said,

971
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Speaker 5: just saying the name of Shob is custom Boum sounds

972
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 5: like a hate crime, which admittedly is kind of funny.

973
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Speaker 5: I don't know how you're supposed to overcome that. I

974
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Speaker 5: don't know how I'm supposed to respond to that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's what's interesting. And one other thing about

976
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Speaker 1: Charlie that you bring him up again, is it? Charlie

977
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Speaker 1: also part of how he kept credibility. He didn't do

978
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Speaker 1: feud culture. When he knew he was disagreeing with people

979
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 1: he cared about within the movement, he always made sure

980
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Speaker 1: to do it in a really precise way. That was

981
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: part of his genius is that he was able to

982
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Speaker 1: do that in order or he was able to make

983
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Speaker 1: criticisms without alienating people. He had very few enemies on

984
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: the right considering how many bold declarative stances he took

985
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: over time, and a lot of people take things personally

986
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: that if you disagree with their opinion on things, then

987
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Speaker 1: it means you disagree with everything they stand for entirely.

988
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: Is just not the case in general, and we hate

989
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: being treated that way ourselves, and yet we treat others

990
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: that way. And this is not a conservative wide thing.

991
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: I think this is a Internet age America thing, and

992
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Speaker 1: probably beyond America. I can only speak as an American

993
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: in this regard. Not a healthy thing. So that's why

994
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Speaker 1: we got to start having some better dialogues. Shavis. I

995
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Speaker 1: always enjoy talking to you. I want you to plug

996
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Speaker 1: the show. I kept you a little longer than I thought.

997
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 1: You've got plenty to say that I like to hear.

998
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: But tell me again, what is the show and where

999
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: do people get it?

1000
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Speaker 3: Sure?

1001
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Speaker 5: Well, the feeling is mutual. It's always a pleasure speaking

1002
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 5: with you, Alex. The show is called Theological. We want

1003
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 5: to encourage young people in America. If you're a Christian,

1004
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 5: you should be going to church far more than you

1005
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Speaker 5: currently are.

1006
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Speaker 3: Catholics.

1007
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Speaker 5: You need to be going to Mass. Everyone needs to

1008
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Speaker 5: be reading the New Testament. The Old Testament doesn't hurt either.

1009
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Speaker 5: You need to be living in a life in accordance

1010
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Speaker 5: with the teachings of Jesus. America is a Christian country

1011
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 5: and we would be stronger if more Christians tapped into that.

1012
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 5: So our show Theological is really to carry on the

1013
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 5: legacy of Charlie Kirk of getting young people back into

1014
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Speaker 5: the pews. And we have a different episode each week,

1015
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Speaker 5: a different faith leader talking about important topics relating to religion,

1016
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Speaker 5: things like what is Christian Zionism?

1017
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Speaker 3: How do we know that the Bible is true?

1018
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 5: We had Michael Knowles actually discussing where his belief in

1019
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 5: Jesus comes from.

1020
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Speaker 3: We had a Catholic exorcist.

1021
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Speaker 5: We had a rabbi talking about DNR and abortion and euthanasia,

1022
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Speaker 5: so really important critical discussions. You can go to prager

1023
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Speaker 5: you dot com watch the first four episodes yourself. You

1024
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Speaker 5: can also follow me on social media. Just type in

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Speaker 5: shob is Custombaum. Even though it's a funny odd name.

1026
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Speaker 5: There are no other shobs Kustin Baums. I'm the first

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Speaker 5: result and you can watch some of the episodes on

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Speaker 5: my Twitter and Instagram as well.

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Speaker 4: This is a very cool thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you're doing this, and I've got a lot

1031
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Speaker 1: of exorcism commentary I want to do with you next time.

1032
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Speaker 1: Because I called Lastie in December, I call for an

1033
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Speaker 1: exorcism for the whole country. So you're someone who can

1034
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Speaker 1: actually figure this out. We clearly need one after the

1035
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Speaker 1: year we had last year. I mean, yeah, we need something.

1036
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Speaker 4: There's something.

1037
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Speaker 5: Maybe maybe we can actually get Candie Sowans and do

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Speaker 5: a live exorcism in front of the cameras.

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Speaker 3: But I digress.

1040
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Speaker 4: I can't say whether or not she was on my

1041
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Speaker 4: mind when I called.

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Speaker 1: Right, actually, all right, all right, that's great. Thank you, Shabas.

1043
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Speaker 1: Make sure to check out the show. We love the

1044
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Speaker 1: folks that Prager you. If you're going to donate, this

1045
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Speaker 1: is a completely free plug. But I love Pregger You.

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Speaker 1: I donate every year. You should all also donate to

1047
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Speaker 1: Prigger You when you get the chance, and join me

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Speaker 1: in supporting a good cause for great people, great organization.

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Speaker 1: Love everyone over there, fantastic people. Thanks Shabas, you soon.

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Speaker 3: Thank you to take care.