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Speaker 1: Life audio of today's episode of Timeless Wisdom Michael Knowles.

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Speaker 2: His last book was Blank.

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Speaker 3: The title was Reasons to Vote for Democrats. A comprehensive guy.

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Speaker 2: And folks, it did very well.

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Speaker 4: Is that Gladiator the music behind you?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 4: You know you can literally quote the whole movie, Maximus,

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Speaker 4: Will you not accept this great honor?

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Speaker 3: Sire?

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Speaker 4: With all my heart? No? That is why it must

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Speaker 4: be you, Maximus. There you go. That's my that's my

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Speaker 4: best limitation. I love that movie. Every human being is sinned.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, I probably have a much longer

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Speaker 4: list than you in life.

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Speaker 2: I doubt it, but I know I we'll get together

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Speaker 2: and compare.

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Speaker 4: Are we going to get together over a cigar for

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Speaker 4: a big part of my life, which I guess made

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Speaker 4: me a talk job?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, nobody stereotapes more based on race, ethnicity, religion than

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Speaker 5: people on the left. And so when they saw them,

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Speaker 5: my last name was Shapiro and then I went to

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Speaker 5: Harvard last I must be one of them, and it

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Speaker 5: only was you know, usually that's like a ninety eight

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Speaker 5: percent back Well, unfortunately didn't even bother googling.

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Speaker 2: I just need to tell you that is one of

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Speaker 2: the funniest responses in twenty eight years of a radio

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Speaker 2: out of interviewing people.

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Speaker 1: That's coming off on Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager. Here thousands of hours

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Speaker 1: of Dennis's lectures, courses in classic radio programs, and to

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Speaker 1: purchase Dennis Brager's Rational Bibles, go to Dennisprager dot com.

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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, Dennis Prager here. Man, I'm about to interview

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Speaker 2: I like so much that it's hard for me not

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Speaker 2: to say something in jest. And since it's hard for me,

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Speaker 2: I will actually do so. I want you to know

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Speaker 2: that Michael Knowles's book just came out literally two days ago,

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Speaker 2: Speechless Controlling Words, Controlling Minds, extremely important book about the

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Speaker 2: left and the use of language and the suppression of language.

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Speaker 2: And here is what I want you to know. He

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Speaker 2: will sign your kindle edition. Is that correct, Michael?

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Speaker 3: I absolutely will. Dennis, only for the listeners of the

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Speaker 3: Dennis Brago Show. Will I sign the Kindling issue?

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Speaker 2: In fact, the audible as well.

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Speaker 3: This, you know, is my first book with words, Dennis,

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Speaker 3: So if you bring me the audible of my previous

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Speaker 3: blank book, Reasons to Vote for Democrats. That's well known

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Speaker 3: in the John Cage Fancy City. I'm happy to sign

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Speaker 3: that one as well.

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Speaker 2: Is that true? You? The only other book is that

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Speaker 2: national bestseller, you know, Dennis.

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Speaker 3: Not all of us can be like you and just

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Speaker 3: churn out book after book. I mean it's like you

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Speaker 3: can write them constantly. This actually took quite a long time.

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Speaker 3: I learned to put actual words in a book, particularly

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Speaker 3: in this case a book about words.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Just in case you don't know what he's

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Speaker 2: talking about. His last book was blank and what was

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Speaker 2: the title again?

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Speaker 3: The title was Reasons to Vote for Democrats. A comprehensive guy,

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Speaker 3: and folks, it.

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Speaker 2: Did very well. Michael Knowles, among his many other titles

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Speaker 2: in life, is the host of the book Club at Prager.

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Speaker 2: You how many episodes are up there.

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Speaker 3: We have been doing one a month now for gosh,

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Speaker 3: I guess it's about fifteen sixteen months at this point.

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Speaker 3: You know, at first we were a little nervous about

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Speaker 2: Right now. It's a and people should know it has

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Speaker 2: no political intent. It is just to explore the great

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Speaker 3: Yes, we do not do living authors. We've made a

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Speaker 3: So we've done mostly very very old authors. And as

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Speaker 3: We're talking about the great works. It's the only way

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Speaker 2: By the way, I should add, it's rather relevant that

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Speaker 3: So that show is every day, the Michael wools Show,

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Speaker 3: and we have been really elated. You know that some

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Speaker 3: we have left Mussolini's sailed state of California. Dennis, we

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Speaker 3: want to drag you with us to come to National Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: It's very tempting. Let me tell you, it's a whole

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Speaker 3: The thesis is that the Left has transformed our politics,

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Speaker 3: sort of way, say I'm a free speech absolutist that

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Speaker 2: Okay, so give a couple of examples.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'll give an example on the issue of say marriage,

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Speaker 3: but rather what is marriage? Everywhere? For all of human history,

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Speaker 3: even beyond the sexual questions. On immigration, an illegal alien

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Speaker 3: Yes, you see this happening very quickly. It's the way

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Speaker 3: and I think that's what's happened with political correctness. Political correctness,

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Speaker 3: people in the Western Marxist tradition, these were cultural things

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Speaker 2: Si all right cold that that I love finding out

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Speaker 2: the origins. Michael Knowles and it's a major bestseller, Speechless

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Speaker 1: This episode of Timeless Wisdom will continue right after this.

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Speaker 1: Now back to more of Dennis Prager's time Swiz time.

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Speaker 2: Hi everybody, Dennis Prager here, Michael Knowles of Daily Wire

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Speaker 2: and Prager. You major book doing very well. I'm happy

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Speaker 2: to say Speechless Controlling Words, Controlling Minds. I always look

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Speaker 2: see to Dennis with love. I did not expect that, Michael.

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Speaker 2: I just want to say, some editions say Alyssa, but.

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Speaker 3: Dennis, the most special editions obviously include you.

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Speaker 2: There's a new book out, Prime Time Propaganda, The true

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Speaker 2: through film, through theater, through television. And Ben Shapiro the author,

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Speaker 2: back on the show. Ben Shapiro. How's married life? Ben? Oh?

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Speaker 5: Terrific? Couldn't he can't beat it. I couldn't be happier.

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Speaker 5: And I encourage everyone who's single azed there please do it.

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Speaker 5: It's just fantastic. You won't regret it.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad I asked you, See I am Now this

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Speaker 2: because they opened up. People in Holly would opened up

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Speaker 5: See? This is the beautiful thing about the left tennis

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Speaker 5: they stereotype on a regular basis. I mean, I know

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Speaker 5: The other reason because when I first approached them, Dennis

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute.

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Speaker 2: because it's so true, and then you're aligned. They didn't

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Speaker 2: I don't think you realize how funny this is. Why

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Speaker 2: That's exactly exactly. That's where your law background came in

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Speaker 5: I think that's all silly. She says, I don't know a

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Speaker 2: Well that's exactly right. But what it's unbelievable that she

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Speaker 5: Exactly. And here's the thing about discrimination in Hollywood, and

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Speaker 5: me on Monday, so hopefully he'll stand up for his principles.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think principal people on the left should

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Speaker 5: be able to agree that everybody should be able to

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Speaker 5: work in Hollywood, regardless of political orientation. But I can

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Speaker 5: tell you for a fact, if you voted for Prop eight,

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Speaker 5: if you contributed money to Prop eight, you will not

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Speaker 5: work in Hollywood, period. End of story.

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Speaker 2: What happened. Here's my question. I'm a generation before you,

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Speaker 2: and I grew up with very, very wholesome television. When

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Speaker 2: did it change?

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Speaker 5: The real shift in TV occurs in the late nineteen

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Speaker 5: sixties early nineteen seventies. And what's amazing about the shift

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Speaker 5: in TV. It occurred as a consequence of two things.

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Speaker 5: One is that the executives up till the late nineteen

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Speaker 5: sixties were generally numbers focused. They were mostly interested in

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Speaker 5: making money. By the time he hit the late sixties,

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Speaker 5: a lot of the executives become kind of gut focused, right,

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Speaker 5: they start making green lighting decision based on what I

451
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Speaker 5: like is the Fred Silverman's of the world. And so

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Speaker 5: that shift means that all of a sudden, the executives

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Speaker 5: who had been kind of intention with liberal creators up

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Speaker 5: till then suddenly they're all pulling in the same direction.

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Speaker 5: So that's one factor. The other factor is that it's

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Speaker 5: a combination of business and politics. In the late nineteen sixties,

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Speaker 5: they're only three networks NBC, ABC, CBS. CBS is killing

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Speaker 5: everyone in the ratings with shows like Beverly Hillbillies, Green Acres,

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Speaker 5: and Petticoat Junction right. Those are rural shows, Those are

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Speaker 5: shows that tend to lean conservative if anything, and CBS

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Speaker 5: is just destroying everyone. ABC is getting really kicked around,

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Speaker 5: and ABC is getting kicked around largely because they only

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Speaker 5: have affiliates in the major urban areas. They only have

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Speaker 5: affiliates in Chicago, New York, LA. So if they're getting

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Speaker 5: kicked around, how do they make the case to advertisers

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Speaker 5: that advertisers should spend their money with them if they

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Speaker 5: have less numbers. Well what they do is they go

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Speaker 5: out and they create some kind of phony social science

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Speaker 5: and they say, well, you know what, even though we

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Speaker 5: have less viewers, they're the right viewers. They're aged eighteen

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Speaker 5: and forty nine. They're liberal, young and urban, and that's

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Speaker 5: the group that we should be targeting now. Ad agency

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Speaker 5: executives in New York tend to be liberally young in

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Speaker 5: urban so they buy right into that and they start

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Speaker 5: spending their ad dollars there. In nineteen seventy seventy one,

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Speaker 5: CBS dumps all of its top ten programming, all of

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Speaker 5: it in favor of mash Mary Tyler Moore and all

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Speaker 5: the Family because all of a sudden, this becomes the

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Speaker 5: chief demographic. And by the way, this is still the

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Speaker 5: demographic that we used did is eighteen to forty nine crowd.

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Speaker 5: The only problem is it makes no sense whatsoever. People

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Speaker 5: with disposable income in this country are people age fifteen above.

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Speaker 5: People who have savings, people who have worked their entire lives,

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Speaker 5: people who are eighteen to twenty nine, people who are

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Speaker 5: eighteen to thirty four. That's demographic which is supposed to

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Speaker 5: be so coveted. Those people are living in mom and

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Speaker 5: dad's basement. They're unemployed right now, So why in the

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Speaker 5: world would the TV industry keep targeting them?

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Speaker 2: Excellent, excellent, Hello, my friends. I'm Dennis Praeger and I

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Speaker 2: am speaking with Ben Shapiro, and it's a real smoking

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Speaker 2: gun book, and it just it's their own words. He

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Speaker 2: interviewed leaving folks in Hollywood, and they openly say, we

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Speaker 2: discriminate in favor of folks on the left, and we

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Speaker 2: produce programming that is on the left, and that is

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Speaker 2: our task, and they're proud of it. They thought that

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Speaker 2: they were speaking. He didn't mislead them. They just thought,

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Speaker 2: because he has a Jewish name and went to Harvard

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Speaker 2: Law School and he's writing for HarperCollins, writing a book

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Speaker 2: for HarperCollins, then he must be a liberal. And they

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Speaker 2: just opened up. And I find that to be hilariously accurate.

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Speaker 2: I asked you how it changed. Let me let me

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Speaker 2: take a couple of calls for you Ben Shapiro. The

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Speaker 2: book again is up at dennisprager dot com. Primetime Propaganda.

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Speaker 2: Good title, that's exactly what it is. Stephen in Los Angeles, California.

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Speaker 2: You're on with Ben Shapiro and Dennis Praguer. Hi.

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Speaker 6: Hi, Uh yeah, I'm a I'm a closeted Hollywood Republican

507
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Speaker 6: because out here republican is the new gay. So you

508
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Speaker 6: don't really want to tell anybody. Everything Dennis saying is

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Speaker 6: absolutely true. It's it's I mean, I've been in a

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Speaker 6: lot of writers' rooms. Every thing is absolutely true. And

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Speaker 6: one of the things that I wanted to ask then

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Speaker 6: about is if anyone discussed the diversity higher which is

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Speaker 6: a thing in the basically the television for for writing

514
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Speaker 6: staff where studios will pay for the lowest level writer

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Speaker 6: on staff, a staff writer. Uh, if they're a minority,

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Speaker 6: and it's it's not open to white people. It's only

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Speaker 6: open to minorities. And I know a lot of people, well,

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Speaker 6: particularly very left writers that have gotten that have that

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Speaker 6: have missed out on jobs because they can't get them.

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Speaker 6: It's not you know, it's only available to minorities.

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Speaker 2: You mean a white left wing writer, Yes, yes, Okay, fine,

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Speaker 2: not even not right white Ben Shapiro, Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 5: They do have affirmative action programs in place in most

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Speaker 5: of Hollywood to try and get black and Hispanic writers

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Speaker 5: through the door. There's certainly no such thing with regards

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Speaker 5: to conservatives, nor should there be. There shouldn't be for

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Speaker 5: blacks and Hispanic said, there shouldn't be for conservatives. It

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Speaker 5: should be if you're qualified, you get to write. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 5: that really is not the way it worked. I mean,

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Speaker 5: it's so funny. And when I started writing this book,

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Speaker 5: I had no intention whatsoever of actually writing for TV right.

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Speaker 5: This was not my goal. I was contracted to write

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Speaker 5: a book. I was writing a book. One of the

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Speaker 5: people I interviewed was Leonard Goldberg, who happens to be

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Speaker 5: a political independent and he produces CBS's Blue Bloods. Well, Leonard,

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Speaker 5: we kind of hit it off, and he asked me,

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Speaker 5: why don't you write me a pilot based on Harvard

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Speaker 5: Law School. So I said, sure, you know, big producer

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Speaker 5: asked you write a pilot, You do it. So I

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Speaker 5: wrote him a pilot. Then I went and I got

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Speaker 5: an agent in town, major agents in town. Everything was

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Speaker 5: going swimmingly. About three weeks later, the agent calls me up.

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Speaker 5: I knew this was coming. The agent calls me up

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Speaker 5: and he says, you know, Ben, I'm not sure we

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Speaker 5: can represent you. And I said, oh, really, why is that?

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Speaker 5: He said, well, you know, we started getting your stuff

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Speaker 5: around to people in the industry and one of the

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Speaker 5: producers was interested and he googled you and he found you,

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Speaker 5: and he calls up one of our agents. Our agent

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Speaker 5: googles you found your website. We don't think that you

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Speaker 5: can get work in this town with your politics. Wow,

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Speaker 5: it's not like I'm a career writer. This is me

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Speaker 5: just dipping my toe in. So can't even imagine what

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Speaker 5: it's like for people.

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Speaker 2: Let me every day. Let me put it this way,

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Speaker 2: and if I'm in any way, and I you know

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Speaker 2: I mean this because you know you've heard me, and

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Speaker 2: I'm thrilled that you have for many years, so you

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Speaker 2: know absolutely. If you feel that I have overstated this,

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Speaker 2: please say so. I believe that you have a better

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Speaker 2: chance to write in Hollywood if you are if you

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Speaker 2: were a convicted felon for armed robbery but on the left,

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Speaker 2: then if you have a squeaky clean life but you're.

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Speaker 5: On the right, that is one hundred percent tury Innis,

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Speaker 5: and you're one hundred percent right. I mean that's unfortunately,

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Speaker 5: if you are openly on the right, then the chances

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Speaker 5: of work. It's so funny the left likes to point to,

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Speaker 5: you know, Patricia Heaton and Kelsey, Look, there are right wingers. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: well they weren't right wing when they started, or at

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Speaker 5: least openly right wing. I mean, it's the equivalent of

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Speaker 5: a black guy who wants to get into a racist condominium.

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Speaker 5: Hoa right so he paints himself white. He goes in.

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Speaker 5: Twenty years later he tells, hey, guess what, I'm black.

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Speaker 5: At that point, everyone's like, okay, you know, he's a

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Speaker 5: nice guy. That doesn't mean they're not a bunch of

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Speaker 5: racists the same thing, but that's right. It's a bigotry

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Speaker 5: in the Hollywood community. I mean, the fact is that

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Speaker 5: even people like Patricia Heaton, who is very out you

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Speaker 5: know in terms of being anti abortion and who works

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Speaker 5: a lot right, even Patricia Heaton has said she felt discrimination.

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Speaker 5: And more than that, I think what's really telling is

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Speaker 5: that Patty came out about three weeks ago and she

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Speaker 5: said that she was pro gay marriage. Now, I you know,

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Speaker 5: I'll take her to her word, she's pro gay marriage.

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Speaker 5: But I do have to say that if she had

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Speaker 5: said that she was anti gay marriage, there would have

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Speaker 5: been career ramifications. That right now is the bright line test.

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Speaker 5: If you are anti gay marriage in Hollywood, there is no.

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Speaker 2: Way you'll work that is that. I know that right

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Speaker 2: before you were on I spoke about that is the

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Speaker 2: issue that's the third rail of politics today, more so

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Speaker 2: even than abortion.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, you can be anti abortion in Hollywood at this

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Speaker 5: point because the left has come around to the safe,

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Speaker 5: legal and rare position, the most oxymoronic position on abortion

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Speaker 5: ever taken. But it's but they've come around on that one.

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Speaker 5: They realized it's not a popular point of view to

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Speaker 5: point out that to say that abortion is an affirmative good.

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Speaker 5: But you are by nature a bigot, a discriminatory person,

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Speaker 5: just as somebody who is the root of all moral

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Speaker 5: evil if you oppose gay marriage. And by the way,

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Speaker 5: I think this is an important point, and the reason

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Speaker 5: I think it's important is because it really sheds light

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Speaker 5: on how Hollywood goes about convincing people of their views

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Speaker 5: when it comes to gay marriage. What they do is

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Speaker 5: the left likes to make the argument with gay marriage,

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Speaker 5: you've talked about a lot on the program. The Left

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Speaker 5: love to make the argument that you cannot be anti

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Speaker 5: gay marriage if you have a gay friend, right. This

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Speaker 5: is their argument. The problem is there's no logic to

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Speaker 5: that argument. Of course, you can have a gay friend

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Speaker 5: and be anti gay marriage. You know, I'm anti a

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Speaker 5: lot of the things my friends do. But it's an

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Speaker 5: emotional appeal and it works very well. What the Left

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Speaker 5: does on television is they create a set of friends

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Speaker 5: for you, people who you want to hang out with,

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Speaker 5: people who you spend more time with, in many cases

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Speaker 5: than your own family, who are charming, who are witty,

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Speaker 5: And then they have those characters act in such a

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Speaker 5: way that you don't agree with what they're what they're doing,

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Speaker 5: but you still want to spend time with them. And

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Speaker 5: then they basically make the same emotional appeal that they've

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Speaker 5: made with regard to gay marriage. Well, how can you

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Speaker 5: possibly be against single motherhood if you like Rachel on Friends?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 5: How can you possi against gay marriage if you enjoy

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Speaker 5: will and grace?

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Speaker 2: That is extremely well stated. The notion is if you

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Speaker 2: have compassion for X, therefore your position is X, and

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Speaker 2: and it's they're they're not related exactly exactly right, Ben,

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Speaker 2: you wrote a very important book, and I don't say

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Speaker 2: that often prime time propaganda. It's a pleasure to talk

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Speaker 2: to you, have known you many years. Keep up the

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Speaker 2: good work.

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Speaker 5: Well, thanks so much, and keep up the fantastic bumper music.

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Speaker 4: I love the eclecticism really well.

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Speaker 2: I get I get no credit for it. If if

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Speaker 2: we're up to me, it would be all heidened all day.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know you do have to get people to listen.

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Speaker 2: In not to now we know I've been told that.

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Speaker 2: That's why I don't choose the bumper music nights, bed

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Speaker 2: take care.

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Speaker 1: This episode of Timeless Wisdom will continue right after this.

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Speaker 1: Now back to more of Dennis Prager's timeless wisdom.

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Speaker 2: Sean Hannity. Sean Hannity is one of those all right,

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Speaker 2: who is in the realm.

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Speaker 4: Yes, sir, happy birthday, can you hear me?

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Speaker 2: I hear you, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: It's Fury number two Zach Gladi to you. Is that

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Speaker 4: Gladiator the music behind you? Yes, you know you can

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Speaker 4: literally quote the whole movie Maximus. Well, you not accept

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Speaker 4: this great honor, sire, with all my heart. No, that

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Speaker 4: is why it must be you Maximus. There you go.

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Speaker 4: That's my that's my best imitation. I love that movie,

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Speaker 4: love it. How are you, my friend? Happy birthday?

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I need to tell you this is the

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Speaker 2: most auspicious opening of an interview in my thirty five

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Speaker 2: years in radio. You know, by the way, to your credit,

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Speaker 2: A lot of people think that that is from I

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Speaker 2: think Pirates of the Caribbean. So yes, I think they're

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Speaker 2: both Hans Zimmer and right. So they confuse that and

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Speaker 2: they get very adamant. But you you hit it right

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Speaker 2: on the nose. I feel, by the way, with this theme,

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Speaker 2: I have sort of ruined the movie for a lot

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Speaker 2: of people.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't think you did it all. And by

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Speaker 4: the way, then the line goes on and goes, well,

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Speaker 4: what about commonists? Commonist is not a moral man? You

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Speaker 4: have known this is your youth? Okay, now, how crazy

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Speaker 4: is that that? I can quote every part of it.

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Speaker 4: Same with Braveheart two of my favorite movies. Passion of

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Speaker 4: the Christ makes me cry every time I watch it.

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Speaker 4: I just love I love watching brave gladiators. We need

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Speaker 4: more of them in life and in the world. I

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Speaker 4: love Mma, I love I love football because it's so

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Speaker 4: hard and tough, and it's also the danger element of

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Speaker 4: both is real. But you know, if you're going to

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Speaker 4: live life, I think the way God wants us to live,

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Speaker 4: you got to be a gladiator. You got to be

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Speaker 4: willing to go out into the arena and you know,

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Speaker 4: win the fight and then throw your sword up and say,

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Speaker 4: are you not entertained? You need American fighting for liberty?

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Speaker 4: My friend.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that was a great beginning. Well, everybody, this is

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Speaker 2: Sean Hannity. Let me ask ask you a question that

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Speaker 2: I am just deeply troubled by. My kids obviously are

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Speaker 2: grown and one of them has kids of his own.

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Speaker 2: But where would you tell a couple to send their

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Speaker 2: children today?

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Speaker 4: You know, let me tell you where you are so

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Speaker 4: far ahead of the curve. Now, what did we learn

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Speaker 4: during the pandemic? I learned that ninety percent of the

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Speaker 4: people that work on my radio or TV show not

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Speaker 4: only can work from home, they're happier from home, and

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Speaker 4: they're more productive from home because they're not wasting an

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Speaker 4: hour or two hours every day, you know, shrugging into work,

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Speaker 4: and they enjoy it. We can actually monitor exactly how

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Speaker 4: much time they spend on their computers, so well, I'm

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Speaker 4: not for spying in any way, shape, bat or form,

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Speaker 4: but we hold people accountable. And what did we learn.

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Speaker 4: Telemedicine is going to be the future where you will

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Speaker 4: have access to a doctor twenty four hours a day.

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Speaker 4: My kids would always get the crew Dennis, and it

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Speaker 4: was the same routine. They said, you know, I'd go

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Speaker 4: to the emergency room. I'd be holding steam in front

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Speaker 4: of their face, falling asleep at three or four in

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Speaker 4: the morning. And then in the end they say, oh,

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Speaker 4: here's the medicine. The steam never works. So finally I said,

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Speaker 4: can you just give me the medicine so I have

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Speaker 4: it standing by next time after like five times agoing

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Speaker 4: through that. Keller medicine is the future. I think Teller

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Speaker 4: working is the future. I think what you're talking about

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Speaker 4: and what you have created is probably you were way

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Speaker 4: ahead of the curve, and that's tele education. Think about this,

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Speaker 4: you know, I always talk about law and order, safety

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Speaker 4: and security as the most fundamental obligation of any elected politician.

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Speaker 4: We see all these cities that have one thing in common,

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Speaker 4: and that is governors that are democratic that have been

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Speaker 4: running those cities into the ground for decades. People aren't safe.

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Speaker 4: They aren't secure. Usually the same cities have the worst

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Speaker 4: educational system. As a nation, we pay more per capita

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Speaker 4: for student per education than any country in the industrialized world,

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Speaker 4: and we come in like thirty seventh, eighth or fortieth.

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Speaker 4: There is in Baltimore. It's the third highest per capita

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Speaker 4: per student spending on education in Baltimore, thirteen Baltimore public

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Speaker 4: high schools. You probably know the answer. What percentage do

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Speaker 4: you think the proficient in math? It's not a test.

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Speaker 4: The answer is there's not one single child, Dennis. Now

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Speaker 4: I'll give you more Latin Latin from the education. Derivative

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Speaker 4: of education from the Latin is a doukadae to bring

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Speaker 4: forth from within. Well, that fits in with our founding document,

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Speaker 4: our declaration that we're endowed by not the thing, you know,

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Speaker 4: the thing or what is the thing. We're endowed by

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Speaker 4: a creator who created everything and with you know, certain

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Speaker 4: alienble rights, life, liberty, pursued happiness. If you're not safe

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Speaker 4: and secure, Dennis, you cannot pursue happiness. If you don't

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Speaker 4: get a quality education, and we are failing our children spectacularly,

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Speaker 4: you will be shut out of opportunity in this country

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Speaker 4: because your politicians didn't fulfill their fundamental role. So, tying

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Speaker 4: this back to Prayer you, I'll say this, why not

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Speaker 4: put online K through twelve education? I don't even care

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Speaker 4: if it's preschool through twelve education. So if any parent

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Speaker 4: in America is in a failing public school system, that

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Speaker 4: if they choose, they will be able to go online

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Speaker 4: for free and work with their children, or their grandchildren

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Speaker 4: or a neighborhood kid that somebody needs some love and

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Speaker 4: attention and go through the curriculum which will guarantee they

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Speaker 4: how to read, write, do math, and actually learn history.

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Speaker 4: Now that's the new that is the new age. That's

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Speaker 4: the future shock that Alvin Popler talked about so long

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Speaker 4: ago and Newt often discussed. So what you're doing with Prager,

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Speaker 4: you we can do for every child in this country

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Speaker 4: and guarantee them a quality education. You want to keep

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Speaker 4: politics out of it, do reading, writing, and math exactly.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: This episode of timeless Wisdom will continue right after this.

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Speaker 1: Now back to more of Dennis Prager's timeless wisdom.

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Speaker 7: Dennis, I have been enjoying the timeless wisdom again. I

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Speaker 7: listened for years. You have impacted my life positively with

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Speaker 7: your humility intellect ability to communicat yourself. It's a humor

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Speaker 7: fascinating subjects. But I am a physician who would speakless

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Speaker 7: nights dough jigsaw puzzles listening to your recordings. I have

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Speaker 7: done no jigsaw puzzles since your injuries, but now maybe

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Speaker 7: I can resume that I have found timeless wisdom again.

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Speaker 7: I have my positive those jigsaw puzzles and flasted them

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Speaker 7: on the walls of our grandchildren's playrooms. But want you

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Speaker 7: to know that we pray for you here in Utah,

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Speaker 7: and I am grateful to know that you still have

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Speaker 7: your intellect despite the other tragedy. We have all experienced

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Speaker 7: tragedies that we love you and want you to know

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Speaker 7: of your importance to us. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Are you enjoying timeless wisdom? We'd love to hear from you.

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Speaker 1: Call eight seven seven two four three seventy seven seventy

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Speaker 1: six and labor review share your thoughts are just even

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Speaker 1: an encouraging word for Dennis. Your voicemail might just make

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Speaker 1: it on the show. That's eight seven seven two four

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Speaker 1: three seventy seven seventy six. That's eight seven seven two

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Speaker 1: four three triple seven six. Thanks for listening and for

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Speaker 1: your support.

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Speaker 2: Your kindred spirit here in Sean Hannity and his book.

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Speaker 2: So it's so accurate, Live free or die. You know,

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Speaker 2: I just want to bounce a theory of mine off you. Sean,

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Speaker 2: freedom is a value, not an instinct. People's instincts are

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Speaker 2: to be taken care of. Liberty is of value, not

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Speaker 2: an instinct. So when you lose that value, it's it's over.

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Speaker 4: Wow. You know you're saying what Thomas Pain said. I

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Speaker 4: mentioned earlier, well, the guides and dictates of human conscience.

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Speaker 4: That means God irresistibly obeyed, there'd be no need for

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Speaker 4: any of the law giver. But where I didn't what

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Speaker 4: I didn't say all I had now, government in its

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Speaker 4: best state is but a necessary evil in its worst state,

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Speaker 4: and intolerable one. You see. I actually I believe the

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Speaker 4: American people. We are a fundamentally good people. We share,

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Speaker 4: you know, on our medical breakthroughs and discoveries. You think

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Speaker 4: about how whatever. Remember back in the last century they

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Speaker 4: were arguing whether they should close the patent office because

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Speaker 4: everything that could be created was created. Remember that, and

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Speaker 4: you know, look at how look at that was before

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Speaker 4: we even had an airplane. You know, look at travel today,

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Speaker 4: Look at you know, I guess we had the musk uh,

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Speaker 4: you know, partner public public private partnership land. I didn't

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Speaker 4: see it yet, And I'm just thinking, we are the

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Speaker 4: greatest country and it's all because of freedom and liberty

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Speaker 4: that as you know, everybody thinks. I think there's a

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Speaker 4: psychological appeal to people that. And again, we believe in

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Speaker 4: natural rights. Our rights come from God and our government

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Speaker 4: endowed by our Creator, and which is the opposite of statism.

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Speaker 4: And if that's true, that that's where our rights come from, Okay,

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Speaker 4: then that means we have to find that within ourselves

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Speaker 4: that God put there to bring forth from within. And

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Speaker 4: then in a free society like the United States, then

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Speaker 4: you get to go out and share what you learn

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Speaker 4: with the world and make the world a better place,

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Speaker 4: to make the country a more a more perfect union.

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Speaker 4: We're not perfect, and yes we we are flawed. Every

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Speaker 4: country is flawed.

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Speaker 2: Because is flawed. Countries are made of humans.

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Speaker 4: Every human being is sinned and voluntar. And by the way,

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Speaker 4: I probably have a much longer lest than you in life.

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Speaker 2: I doubt it, But I gather and.

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Speaker 4: We got to get together over a cigar. For a

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Speaker 4: big part of my life which I guess made me

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Speaker 4: a talk jobs right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god.

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Speaker 4: But where does all this innovation come from? Where do

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Speaker 4: all these breakthroughs come from? How do we think about

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Speaker 4: imagine life without a washer and a dryer, and a

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Speaker 4: microwave and a stove and electricity, you know, all of

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Speaker 4: these things. We were always advancing the human condition, you know,

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Speaker 4: the beauty of our founders and framers, and I do.

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Speaker 4: This was the hardest chapter for me to write. It

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Speaker 4: just was hard. Is the first chapter? In other words,

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Speaker 4: what made America great? What are the principles, the guiding principles,

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Speaker 4: the Judeo Christian principles. You know, while everybody, it might

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Speaker 4: be a great appeal to say everything in your life

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Speaker 4: is going to be free, free government health care, free education,

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Speaker 4: guaranteed job, guaranteed wage, guaranteed salary, guaranteed retirement guarantee. This

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Speaker 4: here's the question I have. When is government gotten it

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Speaker 4: right that you're going to buy into that total bs?

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Speaker 4: How did Obamacare work out? Millions lost their doctors, millions

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Speaker 4: lost their plans, and we all pay two hundred percent more.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 4: How's our educational system we talk about? It is a disaster.

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Speaker 4: Why would we trust them with anything else that it

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Speaker 4: would be the dumbest decision we could ever make in

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Speaker 4: the country.

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Speaker 2: God, is that true? Well, your book is one of

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Speaker 2: the antidotes, as is your show. Sean. I just got

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Speaker 2: to tell you I have saying every one of my

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Speaker 2: listeners knows good people are divided into three groups, the fighters,

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Speaker 2: those who help the fighters, and those who do nothing. You, sir,

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Speaker 2: are one of the fighters.

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Speaker 4: You know what. I'm honored you would even suggest that

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Speaker 4: it's my honor. I've been blessed beyond anything I ever

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Speaker 4: deserve in life, and I want every American child to

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Speaker 4: have the education, have the security and safety of where

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Speaker 4: they live, and to find what God put in.

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Speaker 3: Their hearts for them in their lives so.

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Speaker 4: We can become a more perfect union and a better people,

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Speaker 4: always striving to be better.

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Speaker 2: We will tell you, thank you, my friend, from your lips.

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Speaker 4: All right, my friend, God bless you. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate you having me on.

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Speaker 2: It's a delight, truly.

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Speaker 1: It was a delight tomorrow on Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prigger.

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Speaker 2: Woman just came over to me at my speech and

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Speaker 2: this was very, very moving. Dennis and I almost in tears.

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Speaker 2: I want you to know your Happiness Book changed my life.

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Speaker 2: I want to read to you the paragraph that that

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Speaker 2: that did it. Not having received appropriate love from a

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Speaker 2: is a missing tile when there is a missing tile

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Speaker 2: in your life. While nothing will precisely replace the missing

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Speaker 2: love of a parent, life gives many of us a

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Speaker 2: can greatly compensate for the missing love of your parent

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Speaker 2: by loving your child. Becoming a loving parent gives many

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Speaker 2: of us a second chance to have a home filled

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Speaker 2: with love. You can also bask in the love of

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Speaker 1: This has been timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager. Visit Denisprager

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