1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 2: Welcome to Out of Zion. I'm Shelly and he's filling 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 2: in for doctor Susan Michael. I have with me Eric Sackleback, 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 2: who you probably already know and recognize. He's the host 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 2: of Sackleback Tonight and The Watchman on YouTube. Eric, Welcome 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 2: to the show. 7 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 3: Shelly. Great to be with you, so first. 8 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 2: Actually you do more? So can you explain to our 9 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 2: listeners all of the different places they can find you? 10 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 3: Shelly, great to be with you first of all. And 11 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 3: you and I were talking off camera, kind of joking 12 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 3: my workload, but it's for such a time as this 13 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 3: it goes out saying you mentioned stackle Back Tonight every 14 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 3: weeknight on TBNS, the Watchman Newscast on YouTube, and there's 15 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 3: the Stax Cast, my podcast, so free balls. I'm juggling, 16 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 3: but we're having fun doing it, and I can't think 17 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 3: of the better time to do it. With it in 18 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 3: perilous times, Bible times, and we're getting the truth out 19 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 3: there on multiple platforms. 20 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 4: Let's take a break and hear a message from one 21 00:00:54,360 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 4: of our sponsors. Become to the Israel Answer Series connecting 22 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 4: Israel the Bible, and you join Susan Michael as she 23 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 4: explores timely issues and current events from a scriptural perspective 24 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 4: to equip the Christian world with a balance and biblical response. 25 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 4: Be searching subscribe for future episodes which will ignite your 26 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 4: faith and bring the Bible to life in your everyday world. Now, 27 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 4: let's join Susan with your israel answers. 28 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a long form person, so I know 29 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 2: most people are probably stacklevic tonight, but I'm sackcast. So 30 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: we all have our camps, we all have our camp through. 31 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 2: But see, you've been just been on the front lines 32 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 2: of this battle as a journalist, just covering all things 33 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 2: in Middle East for so long. So I want to 34 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: get just the hot topics out of the way. What 35 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: is going on in Iran? Like prophetically, spiritually, politically, how 36 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: are Christians supposed to just wrap our heads around all 37 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 2: of this? 38 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 3: Shelly, great question, and this is really the issue of 39 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 3: our times right now, Youran. As you and I are speaking. Look, 40 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 3: President Trump has sent what he calls an armada to Iran. 41 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 3: We've got a massive US military build up at Iran's doorstep. 42 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 3: I don't think it's by coincidence, and I do think 43 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 3: the US I think the big question here, Shelley, in 44 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 3: terms of military visa of Iran, is does Israel join 45 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 3: the United States? That's one big question. Does Israel come 46 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 3: alongside the US? Sort of like we saw in the 47 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 3: Twelve Day War. Israel kind of started it with President 48 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 3: Trump's blessing, launched Operation Rising Lion, and the US finished 49 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 3: it with Operation Midnight Hammer, destroying Iran's nuclear weapons facilities. 50 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 3: So is there a collaboration? Now? We just saw Prime 51 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 3: Minster Netnyaho, visit the White House meet with President Trump, 52 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 3: so I'm sure they were discussing much more than the weather. 53 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 3: That's one question. Number two, how does the regime in 54 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 3: Tehran respond? Because, Shelley, you know so well, this is 55 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 3: a fanatical jihadis regime, apocalyptic Islamic End Times theology. Do 56 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 3: they go out in their view in a blaze of glory? 57 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 3: Are they firing ballistic missiles that US bases God forbid 58 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 3: in the region? Is of course, there's a very real 59 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 3: possibility they will do that if they feel like their 60 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 3: regime is about to topple. And number three, what comes next? 61 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 3: In Iran? We've had this wicked, demonic deaf cult almost 62 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 3: half a century now, forty seven years in power. The 63 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 3: Iranian people the main victims of their jack boot. But 64 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 3: what comes next? Could it be Rezipalavi, the son of 65 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 3: the Shah. He's based in the DC area for some 66 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 3: time now. People are talking about him. But really, I think, Shelley, 67 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:29,959 Speaker 3: at the end of the day, if you're an Iranian 68 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 3: or a friend of the Iranian people like you and 69 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 3: I are, you're saying anything is better than this regime. 70 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 3: So this regime's gotta go. It's got to be thrust 71 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 3: into the ash heap of history where it belongs. I 72 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 3: think it's gonna happen. I think President Trump means business 73 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 3: prophetically real quick. People need to remember that Iran as 74 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 3: a Bible and look modern day Iran, that's ancient Persia. 75 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 3: Think of Mordecai, Esther, Cyrus, Darias, Ezra Nehemaiyah that was 76 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 3: in Iran. These stories from our Bible. God has not 77 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 3: done with that country. And I believe that if this 78 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 3: regime topples, it's the fastest growing church in the world, 79 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 3: by the way, the underground church in Iran despite relentless persecution. 80 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 3: And I really believe, Shelley, if this regime falls, that 81 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 3: we could see a revival in Iran and the gospel 82 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 3: go out from that nation across the Middle East and 83 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 3: across the Muslim world. That's how high the stakes are 84 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 3: right now. 85 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 2: I've been I really haven't so encouraged too about just 86 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 2: all that we've been hearing for years now, just about 87 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 2: the revival that's happening that isn't talked about right, all 88 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: outs against a lot of and you know, I have 89 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: friends in UAE that are saying, like it's their churches 90 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 2: are growing in numbers because of the Iranians that are coming, 91 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 2: excited to be able to practice freely their new religion. 92 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,119 Speaker 2: They're Jesus followers and they don't know where to start. 93 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: It's amazing, But so what do we do though? In 94 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 2: terms of you know, I also listen to many newscasts 95 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,239 Speaker 2: because I'm always just trying to see what everyone's talking about. 96 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 2: And I just find it so alarming that for two 97 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 2: years the media reported Moss's death numbers of you know, 98 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 2: when the Gaza War was happening, we all got to 99 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 2: hear just the regular reports of how many were dead 100 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 2: based off of the Hamasa's reported numbers. And now you 101 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 2: can't find anywhere anything of like reported dead in Iran 102 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 2: because they say they can't verify the numbers. So what 103 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 2: is that? What is happening? 104 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 3: Well, I think number one, it shows the moral rot 105 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 3: of Western civilization today, or what used to be Western civilization, 106 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 3: what's left of it to follow? As you said, Shelley, 107 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 3: the Hamas narrative in Gaza, false numbers, inflated numbers. You're 108 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 3: taking the word of a demonic terrorist organization, a genocidal 109 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 3: terror organization. That's number one. But to ignore Iran, and 110 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 3: really the mainstream media writ large and most of Europe 111 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 3: has ignored what's a real, genuine genocide in Iran perpetrated 112 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 3: by the government on its own people. At least forty 113 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 3: thousand people generous estimates of what we've heard, have been 114 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 3: slaughtered in the streets in the past month and a 115 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 3: half alone by this regime, blood soak regime. This is 116 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 3: the worst persecution of an An indigenous population by its 117 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 3: government since Mao's China Stalin's Soviet Union. That's happening right now, 118 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 3: in real time, and it's buried on page twenty of 119 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 3: the New York Times. I mean, it's insane, it's evil, 120 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 3: it's complete marl depravity. And yet the gods and narrative 121 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 3: will be pushed. I think a few reasons for the Shelley. 122 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 3: Number one, there's not Jews involved, and if the jew 123 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 3: if there's a chance to portray Jews as villains and 124 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 3: aggressors the media Europe, they're all over that because we're 125 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 3: locked in a spiritual battle, and that's the greatest symptom 126 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 3: of it, the rise of anti Semitism and Jew hatred. 127 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 3: And I think number two, there's the Islamic factor. They 128 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 3: are loath to criticize an Islamic regime. Well, we don't 129 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 3: want to be seen as intolerant or anti Islamic, which 130 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 3: is insane. But I think that's another factor here too. 131 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 3: It doesn't fit the narrative that the Western Left, which 132 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 3: controls the mainstream media and controls many of the cultural 133 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 3: levers here in the West, it doesn't fit their preferred 134 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 3: narrative of Jewish or Christian aggressors Muslim victims. Doesn't fit 135 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 3: the narrative. And it's a shame, because shame for the 136 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 3: Iranian people first and foremost. But the Left has formed 137 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 3: this unholy alliance with Islamists and now both of them 138 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 3: have the shared goal very unlikely on the surface, but 139 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 3: they have the shared goal of destroying Judeo Christian Western civilization. 140 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 3: Cautionary tale for the left in that regard, Shelley, We're 141 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 3: talking Iran nineteen seventy nine, the Iranian Revolution, the Marxists, 142 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 3: the Socialists, the communist they all backed the Ayatola. Once 143 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 3: he came to power, about six months later he had 144 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 3: them all around it up and executed or thrown in prison. 145 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 3: So cautionary tale for the left. When you get in 146 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 3: bed with Islamists, you're unleashing dark forces you do not understand, 147 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 3: and the Islamists are playing for keeps. 148 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 2: I think I have to be just in our world, 149 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 2: one of the most you know, naively optimistic Christian Zionists, 150 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 2: because it all, it just still surprises me. It still 151 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: surprises me because I just thought this would be a 152 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 2: war that the progressive left could get behind. No for 153 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 2: self determination. It's a revolution and it's creator women persecuted. 154 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 2: So to me, it just it has all the elements 155 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 2: and also something that we should all be united on 156 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 2: a free iron. 157 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 3: If we can't unite, Shelley, great point. So glad you 158 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 3: said that if we can't unite on this, what can 159 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 3: we unite on It's a slaughter happening in real time 160 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:38,599 Speaker 3: by a brutal Jihadis regime that oppresses women, oppresses religious minorities, 161 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 3: hates the West, and we can't all get behind the 162 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 3: Iranian people and sound the alarm. The should be one 163 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 3: A on every newspaper in America. Exactly. It boggles the mind. 164 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 3: I think it's a symptom, and it gives a good 165 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 3: idea of gives us a good idea of where we 166 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 3: are right now in the West in particular, this is 167 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 3: a time, a moment of reckoning for the West. We've 168 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 3: lost our maral compass. Even ten years ago this would 169 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 3: be front page news and now it's not. I think 170 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 3: it's pretty telling in the state of things spiritually in 171 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 3: the West too. 172 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 2: So if you, like you said, Trump and Nata Yahu, 173 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 2: you know this is a big week. 174 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 3: The dynamic duo. 175 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 2: If you were a fly on the wall, what are 176 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 2: they talking about? Besides the Ron what else would be 177 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 2: on the agenda? 178 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 3: Iran definitely one A. And I think what comes to Iran? Yes, 179 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 3: the nuclear program, but the ballistic missiles, I mean nuclear 180 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 3: program one ballistic missiles one A in terms of threats, 181 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 3: not only to Israel, but to the United States, I 182 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 3: think secondly, Shelley Gaza. Of course, this Board of Peace 183 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 3: just met this week for the first time. I'm personally 184 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 3: not too optimistic about it the Trump administration. Look, President 185 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 3: Trump has noble motives here peace in the Middle East. 186 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 3: As a believer, as someone knows Scripture, I know the 187 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 3: only time we'll really at peace in the Middle East 188 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 3: and in the world is when Jesus returns. Especially, he'll 189 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 3: make all things right. He'll make all things right, no 190 00:09:58,320 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 3: doubt as he sets his foot on the mount of 191 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 3: in Jerusalem. But President Trump has a noble goal I 192 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 3: think here, and I think, by the way, that's part 193 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 3: of taking out the Iranian regime. As long as they're 194 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 3: in power, Shelley, he can't truly have what he wants 195 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 3: to have in the Middle East, which is a peaceful region. 196 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 3: If Iran's there, they're the fount of all terror in 197 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 3: the region. With Amas and has Blow, the Huthis and 198 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 3: the Proxies. President Trump has a vision for the Middle East, 199 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 3: and he can't fulfill that vision with the Iranian regime 200 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,599 Speaker 3: in power, it seems to me. But with gods of 201 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 3: the Board of Peace. Look, the administration wants to move 202 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 3: into phase two of this god As a peascet plan. 203 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 3: But how do you get Hamas to disarm Shelley? You 204 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 3: know so well, they're not going to just lay down 205 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 3: their arms, because then they wouldn't be Hamas. It's a 206 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 3: demonic Nazi death cult, and they live and they operate 207 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 3: for one reason and one reason only to murder main men, 208 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 3: destroy That's what they do. If you take away their weapons, 209 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 3: who are they? What do they have? They have no identity, 210 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 3: So they're not going to disarm with that force, which 211 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 3: means the IDF is going to have to go back 212 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 3: in probably in the next two months or so and 213 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 3: forcibly disarmed Hamas. Now the world is gonna howl. I 214 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 3: presume that President Trump will give Israel the green light 215 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 3: to do it, though he says he's fed up with 216 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 3: Hamas and it's time. I mean, we're over two years obviously, 217 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 3: since October seventh, they've been thoroughly defeated militarily as Hamas. 218 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 3: They're a shell of what they were. They're in their 219 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 3: death froze. But they need to be forcibly disarmed once 220 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 3: and for all. If and when that happens, then look 221 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 3: who knows. President Trump has great plans for Gods. I 222 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 3: think to make it kind of a business enterprise, economic 223 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 3: enterprise zone and high rises there overlooking the Mediterranean. Sounds great, 224 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 3: but you can't get there without Hamas being disarmed and 225 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 3: one last thing on the shelley. And I'm sure Bev 226 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 3: and Trump discuss this at the White House. The administration 227 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 3: is working with Katar and Turkey. I think that's a mistake. 228 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 3: I look at Iran and the potential collapse of the 229 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,599 Speaker 3: Iranian axis a great thing. But my concern is that 230 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 3: and Qatar and this new regime in Syria are going 231 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 3: to kind of fill that vacuum and be a new 232 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 3: adversary to Israel and to the West. I think we 233 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 3: need be very careful in collaborating with Turkey and Qatar, 234 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 3: especially in Gaza at Israel's doorstep. 235 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 4: Let's take a break and hear a message from one 236 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 4: of our sponsors. Welcome back to the Auto Zion Podcast 237 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 4: with Susan Michael. 238 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 2: So that we have a Qatar problem, I mean right, 239 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 2: because they're just trying to play both sides of the 240 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 2: fence all the time. It just feels like they're playing 241 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 2: everyone in our American media affecting our American hearts and 242 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 2: minds of the young people and the diversities. Yeah, so 243 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 2: what how do we deal with the Qatar problem? 244 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 3: I would isolate quitar as much as possible. I mean, 245 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 3: they are pretty much today, Shelley, the main benefactor of 246 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 3: the Muslim Brotherhood and the main purveyor of that brotherhood 247 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 3: ideology around the world. And you mentioned it in our 248 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 3: education system university in America, Katar pouring money into elite 249 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 3: American universities, and you wonder why we have droves of 250 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 3: kids out in the streets embracing Hamas and attacking Jews 251 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 3: on college campuses in America. Definitely Katari fingerprints on that 252 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 3: anti Semitic regime, their textbooks, their educational system in Qatar, 253 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 3: anti Israel, anti Semitic to the core, aligned with Airdowan 254 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 3: in Turkey, a very very dangerous player. Look, Turkey and 255 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 3: NATO member nation, second largest military in NATO behind only 256 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 3: the United States formidable navy. Israel is very concerned about 257 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 3: Turkey and Airedwan himself the leader of Turkey, He's Muslim Brotherhood. 258 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 3: And when it comes to that brotherhood in nexus now 259 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 3: in the Middle East and really spreading in the West 260 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 3: as well. You have Airdowan providing the muscle and the 261 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 3: Kataris providing the money, and that's an unholy alliance in 262 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 3: and of itself. And then you have Syria. We've got 263 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 3: this new regime there. Look it's great Asada is gone 264 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 3: and Iranian puppet. Now you've got a guy in control 265 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 3: in Syria who was an al Qaeda commander about sixteen 266 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 3: months ago, wearing fatigues, and now he's been at the 267 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 3: White House. He's controlling most of Syria. It's still chaotic 268 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 3: situation there. Can we trust him? Think the jewelry's out? 269 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 3: Turkey loves him, Katar loves him. So I'm looking at 270 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 3: that access very closely, Shelley. But the Katari's are a big, 271 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 3: big problem, and they really haven't been held to account. 272 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 3: They really haven't. So we'll see if that happens, because 273 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 3: I think they're playing with fire. You think eventually this 274 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 3: administration I believe has shown great moral clarity in nearly 275 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 3: every case, So I think the Katari's eventually there will 276 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 3: be light shone there and they'll be exposed. 277 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: I hope, right right, Is there anything just as a 278 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 2: Christian zionis someone who is going to support Israel through 279 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 2: and through, no matter what the administration is, no matter 280 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: what you know on either side and Israel or America. 281 00:14:55,440 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 2: But what do you find most alarming right now about 282 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 2: out both sides and what do you find most comforting alarming? 283 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 3: I'll start with I'll start with the bed for us 284 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 3: and will close with the Dudekay alarming. To me, Katar 285 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 3: is alarming and Turkey and what they're doing, I'm saying 286 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 3: they're not being held accountable. These are bad actors who 287 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 3: we'll see who. 288 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 2: Have for some reason been whitelisted. 289 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 3: Yes, they've been gratiated themselves. Uh, we'll see there. But 290 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 3: I think what's really alarmed me, and I know you 291 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 3: guys have talked about this as well, with Susan and 292 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 3: your great team. These are so called conservatives on the 293 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 3: right who are anti Semitic and anti Israel. I think 294 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 3: a Tucker Carlson exhibit one A. I think of Candace Owens. 295 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 3: I think of Megan Kelly also drifting into that camp. 296 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 3: That to me, Shelley has been alarming and really disheartening 297 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 3: because these are people. I think it hurts the most 298 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 3: we expected from the left and from Islamists. I think 299 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 3: it hurts the most when it comes from people who 300 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 3: you fought were your friends. It feels like a knife 301 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 3: in the back, right because these folks bok. Candice Owan's 302 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 3: visited Israel a few years ago, seeing pro Israel. Tucker 303 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 3: Carlson never really talked about Israel much. I just thought 304 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 3: he was kind of indifferent. But now they're coming out 305 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 3: and they're full on conspiratorial, and not just anti Israel, 306 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 3: anti Zionist, they're anti Semitic, full on. There's Jew hatred 307 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 3: being expressed in their commentary and with their guests, and 308 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 3: young people are listening to that. These podcasters are very influential, 309 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 3: many of them. Ian Carroll is another name the average 310 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 3: person may not know, but they have large followings, millions 311 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 3: of people and young people in particular listening to these voices. 312 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 3: And you know, Shelley, I say, Tucker in particular, always 313 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 3: thought he was a smart guy. He really knows better. 314 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 3: So there's something deep seated there, I believe. But he 315 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 3: and his ilk they're theologically, geopolitically and historically ignorant. It's 316 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 3: stunning what he puts out there. These are bold faced 317 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 3: lies that can be easily disproven. I'll give you one 318 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 3: he says that the Christian population in Israel is being 319 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 3: forcibly empty out of the Holy Land. Shelley, you and 320 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 3: I know the Christian population in Israel is growing exponentially. 321 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 3: He's growing by leaps and bounds. He's lying. It's a 322 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 3: boldfaced lie. Why is he doing it? Good question? I 323 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 3: think some of it has to be from his heart. 324 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 3: People have talked about Katari cash being thrown around to 325 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 3: podcasters as well. Who knows, but it's a sinister thing 326 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,479 Speaker 3: happening on the right. And in this segment, they used 327 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,239 Speaker 3: to be called the right, this segment of what they 328 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 3: are now they seem to have more in common with 329 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 3: the left in anyways. But we need to call them out, 330 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 3: we need to expose them. We need to continue to 331 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 3: speak truth, the truth of the Gospel. And that's where 332 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 3: the encouragement comes in. You can't stop the gospel. And 333 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 3: we talked about the church growing in Iran. God is 334 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 3: on the throne, He's moving throughout the Middle East. Muslims 335 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,959 Speaker 3: are having dreams and visions and turning to Jesus. It's amazing, Shelley. 336 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 3: I'm provoked to jealousy. I am too. I want those dreams. 337 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 3: I always say that I want one of those dreams. 338 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 3: I have Muslim friends I've met in places like Iraq 339 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 3: and Syria, Iran who've had dreams of Jesus. They're leaving Islam, 340 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 3: they're coming to Jesus, they're becoming Christians. So God's moving 341 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 3: in the region. Number one. Number two, God has worked 342 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 3: miracles in Israel since October seventh, against all odds. I mean, 343 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 3: Israel has been fighting a seven front war and they're 344 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 3: prevailing and miraculous victories. The beeper operation in Lebanon again, 345 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 3: says Blah, Oh my gosh. I mean that war was 346 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 3: over essentially, that Northern War before it even started. Now 347 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 3: one fell swoop with a beeper operation. Then, I think 348 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 3: the great relationship between Israel and the United States right now. 349 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 3: I believe God is using this administration. And I think 350 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 3: in America, thank God, we have a reprieve right now 351 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 3: under President Trump and his team. I hope it's a 352 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 3: long window. It could be a short window. That depends 353 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 3: on us, I think here in America. But God is moving, 354 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 3: He's on the throne, and Israel's best days lie ahead. 355 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 3: So these are bumps in the road, for sure. It's 356 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,199 Speaker 3: always gonna be rocky. But God has his hand on 357 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 3: his land and his people, and the Body of Christ 358 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 3: needs to come alongside that revival stirring in America among 359 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 3: young people. So good things are happening amid all the madness. 360 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 3: God is moving and the Holy Spirit is moving. So 361 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 3: I'm encouraged. 362 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 2: I agree. 363 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 3: Well. 364 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 2: So last May you joined I, C, j USA and 365 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 2: ACLI for an advocacy day on Capitol Hill. You covered 366 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 2: it for the show, you participated in it as a voter, 367 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 2: as a constituent. So will you rejoining us again this year? 368 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 3: I will be there. It's marked on my counter Shelley. 369 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,479 Speaker 3: I can't wait. That was an incredible event. I encourage 370 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 3: everyone to go actually in DC as it May fourth 371 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 3: to the six May thirt of the SA say fourth 372 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 3: through the sixth You yeaped it in great well, I 373 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 3: told you I locked it in great weather in DC 374 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,239 Speaker 3: at that time. Yes, great time. And DC's a lot 375 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 3: friendlier these days, so it's a good time to be there. 376 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 3: We had a great time last year. Bishop Robert Stearns 377 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 3: will be there, some heavy, heavy hitters, impactful, impactful voices 378 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 3: for this movement, for Israel, for America. For such a 379 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 3: time as this I'll be there. I encourage everyone to come. 380 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 2: Each year. I wonder, I think, well, you know, as 381 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 2: we get further from October seventh, then Israel is basically 382 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 2: now you know, a superpower at the point. But I 383 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 2: always wonder, what will there be enough advocacy points, Will 384 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 2: there be enough things we need to talk about? And 385 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 2: there always are. There's always some new fight. 386 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 3: O gush till Jesus returns. As we said earlier, Really 387 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 3: it's never going to slow down. There's always some new 388 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 3: fight exactly, and it's because it is a spiritual battle, Shelley. 389 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 3: It's intensifying and Israel, I think more and more will 390 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 3: be the center. I know scripturally it's going to be 391 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 3: the center of the world's attention. Jerusalem in particular. You know, 392 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 3: it's a geographic center of the world. If you look 393 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 3: on the map, Israel smack dab in the middle of 394 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 3: the world and Jerusalem is the center of that center. 395 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 3: It's not by coincidence. So fasten your seatbelts. Good things happening, 396 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 3: but the eyes of the world will be fixed on Israel. 397 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 2: But what we'll roll out the red carpet to Jerusalem 398 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 2: from DC in May. 399 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 3: Yes, we can't wait Thank. 400 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 2: You for listening to the Out of Zion podcast. Hey 401 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 2: just give me one more minute. 402 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: I want to offer you one of our free resources. 403 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 1: We have wonderful resources in our show notes and if 404 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: you go to our web site at ICEJUSA dot org 405 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: slash show notes, you'll find links for a number of 406 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: our free offers. 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