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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, and welcome to the Confessions of a Christian

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Speaker 2: Alcoholic podcast. I am your host, John Seidel. This is

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Speaker 2: your home for real stories, radical vulnerability, and remarkable comebacks.

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Speaker 2: In the end, this podcast is a place for the desperate,

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Speaker 2: the downtrodden, the destitute, and especially the drunk.

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Speaker 1: But it's also a place of hope and healing.

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Speaker 2: I know that firsthand because I'm the Christian who became

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Speaker 2: an alcoholic, not the other way around. Today I've found

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Speaker 2: sobriety after decades of struggling. But more importantly than finding sobriety,

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Speaker 2: I found Jesus.

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Speaker 1: My prayer is.

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Speaker 2: That as I interview people just like you and just

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Speaker 2: like me, along with professionals in the fields of trauma,

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Speaker 2: faith and addiction recovery, you will find the peace that

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Speaker 2: is available to you through Christ on the other side

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Speaker 2: of whatever you're going through and whatever addiction that might be.

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Speaker 2: Because let's face it, we're all addicted to something so welcome,

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Speaker 2: let's get radically vulnerable as we explore what it looks

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Speaker 2: like to be on this journey of MESSI sanctification. We'll

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Speaker 2: be right back after this. As I say in the

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Speaker 2: intro to every one of these podcasts. I'm the Christian

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Speaker 2: that became an alcoholic, not the other way around. And

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Speaker 2: I think I feel, especially although not exclusively, called to

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Speaker 2: speak to people like that, right, people who have known

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Speaker 2: and loved and followed Jesus and yet still found themselves

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Speaker 2: stuck in a addiction or doing what they don't want

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Speaker 2: to do, whether that's with drugs, alcohol, food, porn, whatever.

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Speaker 2: And yet I think it's good to still have stories

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Speaker 2: that reflect, in a sense, the more traditional addiction story, right,

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Speaker 2: the alcoholic becomes a Christian. And today I'm going to

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Speaker 2: present to you one of those stories. Today we're talking

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Speaker 2: with Eddie Brett. Eddie is someone you may not know

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Speaker 2: his name because generally the people listening to this podcast

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Speaker 2: or in the United States, but Eddie is more of

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Speaker 2: a household name over in England, where he made the

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Speaker 2: final pairing of Britain'scot Talent. He ended up losing to

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Speaker 2: a dog, as he hilariously tells us and points out

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Speaker 2: on his Instagram, But that that showing on Britain Scott

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Speaker 2: Talent led to a record deal with Simon Cowell and

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Speaker 2: he was eventually signed to the same record as One

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Speaker 2: Direction and was label mates with them. But that life

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Speaker 2: quickly spiraled, and after he lost that record deal, he

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Speaker 2: spiraled even further. And so he's going to tell us

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Speaker 2: the story of coming to the end of himself and

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Speaker 2: finally admitting, Hey, I'm an addict. I have a big

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Speaker 2: drinking problem. And then he's going to talk about how

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Speaker 2: Jesus factored into his recovery, and he's going to share

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Speaker 2: I think some beautiful insights there, some beautiful stories. He

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Speaker 2: is a funny guy. I love his accent.

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Speaker 1: I just like.

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Speaker 2: I love Englanders and I love BRIT's and I love

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Speaker 2: talking to them and I could talk to them for hours.

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Speaker 2: So I am excited to bring you the story of

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Speaker 2: Eddie Brett. Before we get there, though, I still am

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Speaker 2: just so overwhelmed by the encouragement that you all have

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Speaker 2: sent me, the emails, that I get, the questions.

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Speaker 1: It just means the world to me, so thank you.

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Speaker 2: You can go to Christian Alcoholic dot com Christian Alcoholic

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Speaker 2: dot com and you can fill out the form and

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Speaker 2: send me a message, and I read every single one

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Speaker 2: of them. I try to respond to every single one

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Speaker 2: of them, and I think I do a pretty good job,

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Speaker 2: but I definitely read every single one of them, so

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Speaker 2: please reach out to me, let me know your story.

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Speaker 2: There are several people that have been guests on this

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Speaker 2: podcast simply because they reached out through.

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Speaker 2: So with all that said, let's talk to Eddie Brett

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Speaker 2: about his is life story. Eddie, thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for joining the Confessions of a Christian Alcoholic podcast. You're

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Speaker 2: our first brit to be on the show. Although I

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Speaker 2: have a growing list of friends in England and I'm

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Speaker 2: planning on doing like a trip over there, I do

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Speaker 2: like renounced her US citizen citizenship and now she's a

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Speaker 2: So thank you for being on.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I've got to say something very British now,

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Speaker 3: like cool blind me governor, thanks for having me on

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Speaker 3: me old mucha have you heard me?

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Speaker 1: Rhyman slang? I love that. I love this. Just a

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Speaker 2: My son has recently got into cooking videos and we

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Speaker 2: we're doing this thing where we're like, hey buddy, every Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: we're kind of we're tired. We're doing try me Tuesday

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Speaker 2: mean he's seven and he just likes chicken nuggets, right,

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Speaker 2: And it's a good start, right. But you will not

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Speaker 2: try Tuesday. Do you know what he said that he wants?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think because of the thread we're on, maybe

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Speaker 1: Beef Wellington.

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Speaker 3: Uh So where I'm from, it would be like historically

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Speaker 2: I just said, buddy, you've been watching too ready, like yeah,

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Speaker 3: Full respect to him. It's delightful when you get around

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Speaker 2: Well Eddie, I, I you know, talked a little bit

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Speaker 2: love hearing how people talk about themselves, right, and so

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Speaker 2: I would love, you know, if you just kind of

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Speaker 2: who you are and in a sense why you're here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Who am I?

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Speaker 3: I am a poet essentially, there's been searching to fulfill

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Speaker 3: on that journey I ended up in church crying on

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Speaker 1: Man M Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 2: So the overview then is you know, you had great

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Speaker 2: Although I love looking at your Instagram because I think

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Speaker 2: it's funny because I think you your Instagram's You're like,

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Speaker 2: I lost to like a trick shot dog, right, that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, half a million pounds I lost to a dog.

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Speaker 2: So take us back in a sense, because your story

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Speaker 2: arc is you find success, you sign with Simon Cowell

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Speaker 2: to a point where and I think it's really interesting.

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Speaker 2: You write this song almost like not quite in secret,

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: Right, So tell us that story of finding success and

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Speaker 2: then how it led to this life of addiction.

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Speaker 3: So I was on the show with a band that

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Speaker 3: Like I didn't know anyone else with a record deal,

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Speaker 3: And then yeah, over time, I just there was a

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Speaker 3: And eventually that really took its toll on me because

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Speaker 1: And I didn't know what burnt out was.

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Speaker 3: No one really spoke about mental health at that moment

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Speaker 3: And then eventually I left the band because I was like,

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Speaker 3: And then things were starting to happen with family or

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Speaker 1: How How did how.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well I thought I was think of that the

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Speaker 3: But when I stopped drinking, like they were all relieved.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't everyone that was just say like one in ten.

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Speaker 2: how do you describe yourself?

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Speaker 1: Now? You know, what words or terms or.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm sober and like I've been sober for

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Speaker 2: When you talk about when you said it it's dark,

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Speaker 3: It's just I've always sort of struggled with like loving myself,

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Speaker 3: if I ever feel like I'm not wanted in somewhere,

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Speaker 3: And you can't just keep going through life avoiding people.

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Speaker 3: And in my head, I'm like, can't you That's what

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Speaker 3: Look and he's like, I'm not going to tell you

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Speaker 3: is it's not a big situation, this particular situation.

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00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: All it needs to happen is next time you see him,

439
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: give them a.

440
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 3: Big hug and say, look, I think something went a

441
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 3: rife there.

442
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: I'd love to just hug it out and move together forward.

443
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 3: And then it was meant and then he told me,

444
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 3: if it still persists, then we come back. Tell me,

445
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 3: I'll get you both in the room and we'll address that.

446
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 3: And if it still persists after that. In the Bible,

447
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 3: you go your separate ways as not others. But it

448
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 3: was say, as the word the gentiles, you go. So

449
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 3: you're still walking in the same kingdom as one another,

450
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 3: but on different tariffs.

451
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 1: So he said this and then I've gone out.

452
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 3: If he's ours right, take this turn left, turn right,

453
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 3: And I bumped into them on the street straight away.

454
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 3: I see them straight away, and they were obviously because

455
00:24:58,400 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 3: they felt bad.

456
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 1: They were the ones that told him that they thought

457
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: they had upset me.

458
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 3: So they're seeing me and they'll be like, oh uh oh,

459
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 3: but I've been told next time you see him, given

460
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 3: a big old hug. And I gave them a big

461
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 3: old hug, and it brought us closer together. And it

462
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 3: just taught me that I don't have to run away

463
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 3: from everything. Actually I can confront situations in a mature

464
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 3: adult manner. And then I'm like, whoa, I've been the

465
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 3: kid this whole time. I've still retained this child in

466
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 3: me as an adult. And so since then, now I'm

467
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 3: addressing situations and things in my family.

468
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: I've never been better.

469
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 3: And regardless of anything else, sober drunk called is that's

470
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 3: the best thing in my life right now, that I've

471
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 3: learned these ways to cope with things rather than just

472
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 3: try and block them out.

473
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think I talk about it in

474
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 2: my own book on this that like, my ultimate addiction

475
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 2: wasn't too alcohol. My ultimate addiction was to escapism, right,

476
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 2: Like I just didn't want to deal with I didn't

477
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 2: want to sit with stuff. I didn't want to sit

478
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 2: with myself. I didn't want to have the thoughts that

479
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 2: I was having, you know, And so I was just

480
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 2: trying to get away, like you said, right, And and

481
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 2: then you know, you said something else that I think

482
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: is really important. And I've been kicking around an article

483
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 2: in my head about writing this, but that that us

484
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 2: you know, people who have a drinking problem, that really

485
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 2: what that is. It's like a perpetuation of adolescents, right,

486
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 2: Like if you think like kids, you know, babies, young people.

487
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 2: My seven year old son, what does he do, Like

488
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: when he doesn't want to face anything, he he runs

489
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: away or like and so what we do when we

490
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 2: just have this crutch of alcohol or drugs or food

491
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: or whatever you want to say, is like we just

492
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 2: perpetuate being a child for longer, right, and then eventually

493
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 2: we give it up when we realize, oh, this is

494
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 2: what being an adult is, right, Like I have to

495
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 2: I can just face things. I don't have to run

496
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 2: away from them. And it sounds like that's part of

497
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 2: what you've learned.

498
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And also to go to lend into

499
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: your article when you write it.

500
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 3: You turn into a baby when you're drunk, Like i

501
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 3: would just walk around not able to speak.

502
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: I'd get naked all the time.

503
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 3: I'd we wherever are fancied, we in sometimes in people's

504
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 3: wardrobes and stuff.

505
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: And none of these things are me.

506
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 3: I'm just in this baby state, like I'd fall asleep

507
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 3: randomly in places, like it was all just chaos, but

508
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 3: like you would be if you as a child without

509
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 3: a parent to look after you.

510
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: That is, that's a really good that's a really good point.

511
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: You can have that one for free, all right.

512
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know I'll try to credit you know. It

513
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 2: comes down to link to the to the single. I'm curious.

514
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 2: You know you talked about your vicar, you talked about

515
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 2: being at church. What how did how did faith and

516
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 2: God play into your recovery?

517
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 3: I think it was it was beforehand, So what it

518
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 3: did there is too. Yeah, I'm glad that took a

519
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 3: moment to think of being sober made me look at

520
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 3: everything in my life differently, and so I started to

521
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 3: rather than look at Christianity or faith as this thing

522
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 3: with loads of reasons why it was all a load

523
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 3: of rubbish. I started to look at it, well, what

524
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 3: if there's truth in it? Because actually, now I've taken

525
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 3: that darkness of drinking out of my life, I'm starting

526
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 3: to see life through a different lens. And I was

527
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 3: spending a lot of time up in the mountains and

528
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 3: I was just really stew on the beauty of them,

529
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 3: moments of like just being in awe of of everything

530
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 3: that being sober like and I mean sober like when

531
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 3: you remove things from life and you're just exposed to

532
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 3: the natural beauty of it all. It's it was overwhelmingly beautiful,

533
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 3: Like just be up in the mountains crying it like

534
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 3: how grateful I was to be in that moment, like

535
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 3: the feelings that was making me feel, and it was

536
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 3: so far removed from those moments where I'd wake up

537
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 3: with a hangover and a text message being told that

538
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 3: I'd done something wrong, that it was just like, I

539
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 3: was so grateful. And then, in terms of the journey

540
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 3: that my church has taken on my sobriety, I went

541
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 3: away camping with them and I was a year in

542
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 3: and I'd tried the previous year to be sober forever

543
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 3: more as it were, but I basically went away on

544
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 3: holiday to Antigua and got absolutely carted off my rocker

545
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 3: and the same stuff happened again, and I embarrassed myself

546
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 3: in front of all the wedding party, and I was.

547
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: Really ashamed of myself.

548
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 3: And anyway, since that day then, i'd been sober since

549
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 3: that day basically. But I'm there camping with the church,

550
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 3: and it's summer holidays, and after i leave this camp

551
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 3: with the church, I'm going to France, the South of France.

552
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 3: So whenever I've been to the South of France previous,

553
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 3: it's always been a drinking holiday because they've got them.

554
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 3: They got the most lovely rose wine over there. It's

555
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 3: that peach colored. It's delicious, iced cold. You're sipping it

556
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 3: on a beach, the sun shining, there's beautiful women walking around.

557
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 3: I'm there in my swim shorts. It's lovely times. So

558
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 3: in my head I'm remembering that as if like and

559
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: then now I'm thinking, oh, that's coming up, that trip,

560
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 3: and if I don't partake in everything that I've just mentioned,

561
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 3: I'm missing out.

562
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: And I'm not the sort of person that wants to

563
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: miss out on anything.

564
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 3: So I'm getting really anxious and worried because I'm kind

565
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 3: of like not sure that I'm fully in control of

566
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 3: my own actions in that scenario and the temptations. It's amplifying,

567
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 3: and I'm thinking, well, I've been sober this long.

568
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: I think I've overcome this situation.

569
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 3: And then I'm away camping and I've gone running in

570
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 3: the morning. There's a whole schedule, different things to do.

571
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 3: It's a big old camp with loads of people, and

572
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 3: one of the timetable schedules was a recovery session and

573
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 3: the other was a running club. Now my recovery again,

574
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 3: I've never really used that word recovery, but my sobriety has.

575
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 3: It's been a real solo mission by myself, and part

576
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 3: of that recovery is fitness and looking after myself. So

577
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 3: for me, the way that I remind myself of how

578
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 3: grateful that I am to be sober is for going

579
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 3: for runs, waking up in the morning when historically I

580
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 3: would have felt like pooh and not wanting to go anywhere.

581
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 3: The fact that I'm out cracker dawn running, I'm like,

582
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 3: thank you, God, thank you for allowing me to be

583
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 3: in this moment right now that I'm out here getting

584
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 3: it in sweating it out, feeling great about myself.

585
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: Getting that run is higher.

586
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 3: So that's my way of Yeah, out of the two

587
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 3: options going to a recovery session and running, for me,

588
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 3: my recovery session is going running. However, obviously I was

589
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 3: intrigued by what that looked like the session. So anyway,

590
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 3: after that was a talk, someone was doing a talk

591
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 3: about something that was queuing up to what And there's

592
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 3: a guy called Michael who goes to my church and

593
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 3: he's come bouncing over, a big old smile and he's

594
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 3: on his face and I said, hallo, Michael, you're a

595
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 3: right and he's gone, yeah, great, thanks, said how are you? Yeah, yeah,

596
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 3: I'm good, thanks mate, just been for a run? What

597
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 3: have you been up for? And he's there shaking his

598
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 3: bible with me, going I've just been to the recovery session.

599
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 3: So I'm there talking to him and I'm like, oh,

600
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 3: I was thinking about going to that recovery session, like

601
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 3: what's it all about?

602
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: And he went, well, basically, I've got this bible.

603
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 3: It's a recovery bible, so you go through a different

604
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 3: piece of scripture and then it relates to how that

605
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 3: relates to sobriety. So I said to Mickey, I didn't

606
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 3: know you've been sober. He was like, yeah, thirty years, mate,

607
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 3: thirty years I've been sober.

608
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:44,479
Speaker 1: I was like really.

609
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, mate, I've never looked back since wake

610
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 3: up lovely every day.

611
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,479
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, show me this Bible what your

612
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: sister about.

613
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 3: And he's getting it out and he's getting it and

614
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 3: he's he's an older geezy, he's like in his seventies

615
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 3: and he's getting it all out and going through this

616
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 3: bit and that bit. And I'm looking at the pages

617
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 3: this Bible and I said, Mickey, how much have you

618
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 3: how long have you had this book for? He said, well,

619
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 3: I've had this one for about ten years, and the

620
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 3: one before that I had for twenty years. And it

621
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 3: was the smile on his face and I said, thirty

622
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 3: years you've been sober.

623
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: He was like, yes, mate, and I've never looked back.

624
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 3: And then I said to him, I've been worried about

625
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 3: getting through one summer and you've been through thirty. And

626
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 3: I've never seen anyone as happy as he is, do

627
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? You know, and you just

628
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 3: see the joy in someone and he's passing on the

629
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 3: joy of being sober. It's not the worry of getting

630
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 3: through a summer. It's the joy of getting through thirty.

631
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 3: And I thought, if I'm going to be like anyone,

632
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 3: I want to be like Michael Patterson, Like give me

633
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 3: that when I'm seventy, like bounding over with a smile

634
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 3: on my face, just wanting to share what I've been

635
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 3: up to. And so then I'm like, whenever i feel

636
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 3: that I've overcome this situation, or that glass of whiskey

637
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 3: looks nice. So I'm going away for boys lads holiday

638
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 3: and something, I'll have a little drink. I just think

639
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 3: of Michael, and I think, how happy and lovely is he?

640
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: That's what I want.

641
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: So what you know, I think the early parts of

642
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 2: sobriety for some people, you know, are especially tough. They

643
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 2: were for me, right, I mean you just you know,

644
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: I had to mourn the loss of alcohol like alcohol

645
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 2: was a friend, right, it was there when other people weren't.

646
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 2: It never talked back to me, right, it was it

647
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: made me feel great. And I'm curious, what were what

648
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 2: was the hardest part of early sobriety for you?

649
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 3: Yes, the idea of like feeling like I'm not able

650
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 3: to do something, because I've always been as a kid,

651
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 3: if you tell me I can't do something and you

652
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 3: haven't given me a good enough reason why, I'm doing

653
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 3: it twice in front of you, just to prove to

654
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 3: you that I can do it. And so that idea

655
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 3: that I wasn't doing something in my head was like

656
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 3: a real tussle and wrestle with myself of feeling like

657
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 3: I was missing out. But then I just had to

658
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 3: constantly remind myself, no, I'm gaining. I'm not losing anything

659
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 3: in my life. I'm only gaining. And so that was

660
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 3: the importance of incorporating more goodness into my life, like

661
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 3: using the money that I used to spend on going

662
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 3: out on sort of luxury things that I wouldn't usually do,

663
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 3: but because I wasn't spending that on going out, I'd think, yeah,

664
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 3: I'll go for a massage, and whilst I'm there, I'm

665
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 3: feeling smug that this is money that I would have

666
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 3: before forgot or not had, do you know what I mean?

667
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 3: Or go yeah, going to the gym and picking up

668
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 3: them weights that I'd never picked up before and going

669
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 3: this is only because I've been consistent and I'm not

670
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 3: waking I'm not eating dirty kebabs like on at four

671
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 3: in the morning and not wanting to wake up or nothing.

672
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 3: So just replacing it with things and I liked and

673
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 3: just because I put on quite a bit of weight

674
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 3: as well because of the drinking and that, because it

675
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 3: goes hand in hand, like it's a spiral, like you're

676
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 3: you're spending loads of money you sometimes haven't got. You're

677
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 3: you're getting home unsociable hours, so then the only thing

678
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 3: opens takeaways. You're eating those takeaways. You're then sleeping in

679
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 3: so you've got less time for the day. And it's

680
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 3: a cycle. So just replacing all of those things with

681
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 3: anything good that you can then know that you've only

682
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 3: got that goodness because you're sober. Then I'm thinking of

683
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 3: what I'm gaining. It's not what I'm not doing. It

684
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 3: is what I am doing, and I'm grateful for that.

685
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 3: And when everyone's in bed, like I'm out going for

686
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 3: a jog or whatever, and it's those moments that I'm

687
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 3: like getting son willing.

688
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: Right, I'm curious.

689
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: I want to go back to to something you said earlier,

690
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 2: you know, I think, what would you say to those

691
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 2: people who.

692
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: Are like you? They're like me?

693
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 2: And they're like the husband of the woman that you

694
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 2: make me last night, They're like, I don't have a problem, right,

695
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 2: Like I don't look like you know, I haven't squandered everything.

696
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: I'm still getting up for work, I'm still doing the thing.

697
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 2: You know, maybe I'm getting drunk a little bit. But

698
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: you know, who doesn't have their their their right? Like,

699
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: what is your what would you say to those people

700
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 2: who are like I think I'm fine, and yet maybe

701
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 2: there's people in their life who are saying, hey, I

702
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 2: think you might want to take a look at this.

703
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: What's your encouragement to them?

704
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I've sort of had quite a lot of

705
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,959
Speaker 3: messages regarding the the end of it, where they are

706
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 3: sort of semi aware that they've got an issue, not

707
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 3: in themselves or the way they're conducting for themselves, but

708
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 3: just for the way it is affecting, for example, going

709
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 3: to see their children's sports, like waking up on a

710
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 3: Saturday or Sunday morning and not wanting to because you're hungover,

711
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 3: and seeing that experience as a burden of taking your

712
00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 3: kids to sports, and the shame felt by what that rings,

713
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 3: the fact that like they they know it's the best

714
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 3: thing in their life. However, they're seeing it as a

715
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 3: chore because of the way they're feeling because they're hungover.

716
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 3: So I've had quite a few people message them, but

717
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 3: obviously they're on the journey of self realization. But if

718
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 3: you're not, it's very difficult because it is, like I say,

719
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 3: it's something you've got to do for you, and I

720
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 3: don't think it's possible to actually do it for someone else.

721
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 3: But what I would say, and something has helped me massively,

722
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 3: is there's so many great zero percent beers on the market.

723
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 3: So like I still love having a pint of beer,

724
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 3: and like I say, it's a huge part of my culture,

725
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 3: but now I just have a pint of zero beer.

726
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 3: And as far as socially, it's concerned like once the

727
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 3: boys have stopped taking the piss out of Sorry if

728
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 3: I can't say that, stop taking the mick out of me,

729
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 3: Like I'm just having a beer like no once, And

730
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 3: now that my brand, like my personality is sober Eddie,

731
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 3: Like they know that it's not even a thought process anymore,

732
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 3: do you know what I mean?

733
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: They're just like, that's what he does.

734
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 3: And in that space, I guess you can actually start

735
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 3: looking at things and going, oh, i was on the

736
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 3: zero percent Guinnesses yesterday and I'm waking up feeling quite nice.

737
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 3: It's I mean, it's still but then there's also a

738
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 3: placebo effect for a little bit, I feel like sometimes

739
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 3: because you can still get sort of feel a little

740
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 3: bit dehydrated, I guess or just I don't know it.

741
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 3: It's just interesting because what I know is something I

742
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 3: actually noticed when I was drinking these zero percent beers

743
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 3: is how quick I drunk, because I'd smash it back

744
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 3: and I'd be through my piet and my mates hadn't

745
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 3: even finished half of theirs yet. Now whereas before I'd

746
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 3: be buying the next one and getting drunker and drunker.

747
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: Now I'm stopping aware that I'm like, why am I

748
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: drinking this so quick?

749
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 3: It's not an alcoholic beer, so it's quite a ridiculous concept.

750
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 3: And it just made me aware that like, I'm on

751
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 3: another level to be like I've actually got when you

752
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 3: talk about these.

753
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: Issues, I've got, I've got a problem.

754
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So what does life look for Eddie

755
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 2: Bread now?

756
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: Like? What does life look like for you? Now?

757
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 3: Well, I'm still I'm still searching, like career wise, like

758
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 3: there's because I'm starting again. I'm not in the band anymore,

759
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 3: and I'm sort of working out exactly what I'm trying

760
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 3: to do. And when I'm sure you can relate is

761
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 3: like when you do try and steer your life towards Jesus,

762
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 3: everything starts falling off around you. You're becoming a different person,

763
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 3: so you need a bit of time to really chew

764
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 3: into what that means and where that's taking you. And

765
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 3: then also like I'm single so and i'm an ageel

766
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 3: my mates having kids and everything, so I'd love to

767
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 3: meet someone that i can share my life with. So yeah,

768
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 3: I'm very much just searching, but from a place of

769
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 3: clarity and hopefully, like I feel like I've got some

770
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 3: firm foundations.

771
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: These are my firm foundations. They're working which transformed like this,

772
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean?

773
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 3: Like I'm hoping now this I all won't fall from

774
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 3: underneath me, and I've actually got things in a position

775
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 3: now where even if they did, I'm on the firm foundation,

776
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 3: so i'd be I'll be up for taking it on.

777
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 3: So you can't make me fall down now because I'll

778
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 3: just pray about it and then that alone, do you

779
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 3: know what I mean.

780
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: I think it's nay maya.

781
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 3: He said he prayed for like a month or something,

782
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 3: and they said, what good is praying for a month

783
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 3: going to do? And he said, it's not that. It's

784
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 3: not what it's going to give me. It's what it's

785
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 3: going to take away. All these stress and anxieties, all

786
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 3: these things I'm trying to think of how I'm going

787
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 3: to do it in my life. In sitting in prayer,

788
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 3: it will remove that and I'll work out I've actually

789
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 3: got to do.

790
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: So that's why I sit in prayer. Yeah, I was

791
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: in prayer morning.

792
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 3: I went there this morning and it was beautiful, just

793
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: being connected with other people, being sober, rejoicing in the

794
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 3: what the dice brings us.

795
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: He's a wonderful thing.

796
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 3: You know.

797
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: Here's what's Here's what strikes me a little bit, Eddie,

798
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: And I love this is that hearing the way you

799
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 2: talk about sobriety. I mean, I'm because I'm almost three

800
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 2: years as well, I'll be three years in July. Is

801
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 2: you you talk about it how I feel like some

802
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 2: people talk about it a year in and it's and

803
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 2: and I'm saying that in a good.

804
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: Way, like it's encouraging.

805
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 2: Like I feel like sometimes you start talking to people

806
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 2: who have been in this or who sometimes I think

807
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: are in it for the wrong reasons, if you will,

808
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 2: and it just it's like a drudgery. It's like, yeah,

809
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 2: I'm sober, you know, you know, just just taking it,

810
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: taking it on the channel, one day at a time,

811
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. There's some truth to that, right,

812
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 2: But there's this there's this still this like beauty that

813
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 2: you are still drawing from it. And I just that

814
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 2: that's so encouraging, and I want people to pick up

815
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 2: on that, right, Like, it's not doesn't have to be drudgery,

816
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't have to be. And certainly there

817
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 2: are some days where it's like, you know what, I'm

818
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: just not drinking today, right, it looks really good, or

819
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 2: the football game is on and that's when I used

820
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 2: to drink a lot, like And so I just love

821
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 2: this beauty that you're still able to to drop from it.

822
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: You said something though about like when you're pursuing Jesus

823
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 2: and things can kind of tend to, you.

824
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: Know, fall fall away around you. I'm curious what that

825
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: has been like for you. We'll be right back after this.

826
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, just a quick one to adding that I'm channeling

827
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 3: Michael Patterson. So I'm free is in. But he's jumping

828
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 3: up and down thirty years in so that's yeah. But

829
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 3: he also says what you said. It takes it day

830
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 3: by day. Every day he just tries not to do

831
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 3: anything wrong and then he wakes up the next day

832
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 3: and says the same thing.

833
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 1: So that's that's what he does.

834
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 3: But yeah, the things that dropped off around me, I

835
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 3: guess everything, like my fashion ma clove choices.

836
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: I noticed that I was a bit scruffy.

837
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 3: So then I'm like, I don't think Jesus wants me

838
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 3: to turn up to church in a hoodie.

839
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to start wearing jumpers.

840
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 3: I don't think he wants me to be in jeans

841
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 3: every day, so I'm going to buy trousers and a belt.

842
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 1: Then I'd look in.

843
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 3: The mirror and think like, I look like my granddad

844
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 3: and my granddadd He had great swagger. I think back now,

845
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 3: the geese are always looked immacula in that way that

846
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:28,439
Speaker 3: English gentleman can, and I'm like, yes, Granddad, I don't

847
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 3: have to look up to whatever they're wearing on Instagram.

848
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: I'm looking up to my granddad.

849
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 3: And I'm connected with my granddad now through Jesus, and

850
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 3: that's beautiful. So I'm now walking around mimicking my granddad's

851
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 3: swagger in terms of fashion.

852
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: What else has dropped off? Just like choices.

853
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 3: So I do voiceovers and things like that, And there's

854
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 3: certain gigs that come in that I wouldn't do now

855
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 3: because I'm like, I'm promoting something at the other end

856
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 3: with my voice that I don't agree with, So I'm

857
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 3: not going to do that. And then if I'm working

858
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 3: in scenarios where I'm like makes me feel uncomfortable, I'm

859
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 3: not going to do that, like and and I will

860
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 3: feel uncomfortable until I find something that I feel comfortable

861
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 3: with and then I know that's where I'm supposed to be.

862
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: And so it's just it's all those things.

863
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 3: Like I'm still trying to sort out my diet, but

864
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 3: that takes an impact as well, because I know God

865
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 3: wants me to eat the good stuff, the stuff that's

866
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 3: from the ground from Him. So all this stuff that's

867
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 3: made in factories like that, it's no good, but it's

868
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 3: it's it, don't get me wrong, like one challenge at

869
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 3: a time. But yeah, there's so many things, and my mouth,

870
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 3: my tongue. Sometimes I used to swear like no one's business.

871
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 3: I remember, Yeah, my vicar Darren because him and Ben

872
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 3: like they're almost my prayer buddies, right that. Like, so

873
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 3: I could tell my vicar loves me. Yeah, so he

874
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 3: understands my spirit and my heart. So when I'm there

875
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 3: swearing and stuff, he knows. He knows that I don't

876
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 3: mean to be doing it, so he doesn't want to

877
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 3: like it, doesn't want to tell me of But also

878
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 3: I could tell I'd say it, and then I could

879
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 3: see in his eyes that he's kind of like, man,

880
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 3: we're in a church or something like that. And then anyway,

881
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 3: we're at this morning prayer one day and we've read

882
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 3: this piece of scripture and I've just prayed out, yeah,

883
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 3: I feel I was saying about what you're taken in

884
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 3: in your eyes and your ears, and how important it

885
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 3: is to watch your tongue. And I just said, Lord,

886
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 3: pray to help me remove all these swear words from

887
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 3: my mouth. And mar Vicker must have jumped up and down.

888
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 3: I've not even said anything to him, and he said

889
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 3: it himself.

890
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: You know, it is. It is funny.

891
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: I think when we start pursuing Jesus, the things that

892
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 2: start dropping on you know, I.

893
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: Realized, like I used to love.

894
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 2: Country Western music, right, and I just stopped because it

895
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 2: was fascinating to me that once I got sober, I

896
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 2: realized how much of that music was about drinking and

897
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 2: was about drinking culture. And I'm just like, I just

898
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 2: don't I just don't want to be inundated with that anymore,

899
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 2: you know, like there's something there's something better.

900
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: Right. I'm listening to Firm Foundation right now.

901
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 2: Now, I'm gonna need the Eddie Brett version of Firm Foundation,

902
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 2: you know, maybe maybe a collab with Cody Carnes. But

903
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: but it's it's interesting, those little things and it's not

904
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 2: out of it's not out of like heavy handed, you know, uh,

905
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 2: you have to.

906
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: Do this right. It's just like it's almost like a joy.

907
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 2: Right, It's like I get to lay that down and

908
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 2: get away from that because I know there's so much,

909
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 2: something so much better waiting for me, you know, in Jesus,

910
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 2: in Christ.

911
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: And I think that's what you found and that makes me,

912
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: it makes me smile.

913
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 3: Oh, because we've got to have faith. And the part

914
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 3: of having faith is knowing that we'll never writeally know

915
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 3: until we know there's an element of like the faith journey,

916
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 3: that we're never going to know the full extent of

917
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 3: the truths of our being until we find out, And

918
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 3: so the only thing we've got to sort of base

919
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 3: that on is our own ideas at the Scripture and

920
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 3: our journey in life now so scientifically as my own

921
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 3: scientific experiment, if I look at how things change in

922
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 3: my life the more I lean into the Scripture of

923
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 3: what Jesus says to do, if it's a curve and

924
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 3: it keeps getting better and better and better, I'm a

925
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 3: foolish man to not keep learning more and more and more.

926
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 3: Because I've always said to people, I feel like I'm

927
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 3: seeing colors now that I didn't know existed, that there's

928
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 3: things in life that I just didn't know the joy

929
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 3: that was within it. And so I've got like I've

930
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 3: got all this data on I've done all sorts in

931
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 3: my life, like I've been to Amsterdam and all the

932
00:48:58,880 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 3: fruits that come with the.

933
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:00,760
Speaker 1: Red like district.

934
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 3: I've snorted all the drugs, and I've taken all the

935
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 3: alcohol and slept in places that I woke up no

936
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 3: idea who I am or who I'm with, who's this

937
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 3: person next to me? I've never met her in my life,

938
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 3: but I've done all of those things and I don't

939
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 3: miss it at all. What I now get a joy

940
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 3: in is like I say, morning prayer. Who thought that

941
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 3: was on my bingo card? Like to get filled up

942
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 3: in life from waking up early and praying with my

943
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 3: church family like that.

944
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: It was never on the cards.

945
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 3: I could have lived a million lives before and never

946
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 3: experienced that, And now it's that one of the core things.

947
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 3: If you ask me what life's about, I'd be like

948
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 3: praying and worship. Like there there's nothing better. It is

949
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 3: all the drugs you go on, the you go on

950
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:52,720
Speaker 3: that euphoric state completely sober. So if when people need

951
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 3: something else to get to a level, you know, like

952
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 3: what's better basically experiencing the full sensation of feeling and

953
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 3: like from a complete moment of like stillness and centered

954
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 3: being or having to take something to get to that level.

955
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 3: Like the fact that you don't need anything and you

956
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 3: get to the same place tells you how pure and

957
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,720
Speaker 3: good it is because you haven't had to have anything

958
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 3: to get there and you completely you bring it back

959
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 3: to earth. It's not like you lose it the minute

960
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 3: that thing dies down. It's that you know, you know,

961
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 3: when you play Sonic and you go on like one

962
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 3: of those things that boosts you up and you can

963
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 3: run for miles, it's like, whoh, this is running, Like

964
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 3: this is great, but then it slows down and you're

965
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 3: back to just be a normal Sonic. Well, when you're

966
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 3: completely sober in prayer and worship and you're running, you're like,

967
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 3: I've never have to slow down. I just have to

968
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 3: keep coming back to these places and I'll get that. Like,

969
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, it's not always that higher, but

970
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 3: like I don't know, man, it's just it's just yeah,

971
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 3: come on, yeah, yeah, no.

972
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: I love I love that. Thank you for sharing that.

973
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. That that was That was beautiful.

974
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 2: So Eddie, you have you're working on some some new songs.

975
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: You've got a new single out.

976
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 2: What if people want to learn more about you, if

977
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: they want to hear your music, tell them what you're

978
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 2: doing in that realm and where.

979
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: They can go. Yeah. So I've got a new album out.

980
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 3: It's called Common Callos, So you can get that wherever

981
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 3: you like to listen to music. It's on Spotify and

982
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 3: iTunes and Amazon Music. I've got YouTube page. That's a

983
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 3: lot of fun to try and keep that lively. Just

984
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,919
Speaker 3: I like documenting things and making videos. So yeah, Eddie

985
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 3: Brett mate on YouTube and on Instagram and TikTok, so

986
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 3: all that stuff.

987
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: And where am I going with this?

988
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 3: I do It's you mentioned it earlier about like changing

989
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 3: what you listen to, but it's also works the inverse

990
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 3: of like what you're trying to create, So that's as

991
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 3: that gets impacted because I just want to It's not

992
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 3: always about putting like pure positivity out in the world,

993
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 3: because like we have to face the realities of it

994
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 3: as well, but it's certainly trying to make sure that

995
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 3: it's sort of centered from a place that I can

996
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 3: just be proud of. So yeah, it's trying to create

997
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 3: intentionally because I've done something. When I think back to

998
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 3: the band, our top ten hit was about getting drunk

999
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 3: and having sex, and now the irony of that is

1000
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 3: I haven't had sex since I've got baptized and I'm sober,

1001
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 3: so you know what I mean, It's like, my life

1002
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 3: couldn't look any more different to that song that I

1003
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 3: wrote in my twenties and yeah, so I look back

1004
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 3: now and I'm telling other twenty year olds that that's

1005
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 3: what life's about. But now I'm in my thirties going no, no, no, no, bro, Like,

1006
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:38,919
Speaker 3: do you.

1007
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: Know what life's about.

1008
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 3: It's about like making really wholesome relationships with women, regardless

1009
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 3: of whether you're going to sleep with them or not,

1010
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 3: because in that space actually lies true connection and kinship

1011
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 3: and friendship with them. And then let's find out if

1012
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 3: we're going to have sex with them, But don't topload

1013
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 3: it with just an orgasm, because then everyone enjoys an

1014
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 3: orgasm with who you're always gonna it's that fast food.

1015
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 3: You're always going to enjoy that first hit of a

1016
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 3: big Mac, but as it make you feel after and

1017
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 3: I'm after just that longevity.

1018
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh Eddie, this has been great. Thank you for

1019
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 2: infusing us with a little cockning and and from being.

1020
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:23,760
Speaker 1: Over this was this was just great. This was great.

1021
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 2: I loved your insights. I think coming from someone who

1022
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 2: has had the taste of, in a sense, everything your

1023
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 2: flesh can want.

1024
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: Right, and you know, we.

1025
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 2: Hear, we hear about it, were we read about it,

1026
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 2: but I think hearing from you from your lips is

1027
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 2: a good reminder. So thank you so much for joining

1028
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 2: the podcast. When I do finally get over to England,

1029
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 2: I would love to I would love to see you

1030
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 2: and enjoy a pint of zero beer.

1031
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I know just where we'll go as well. I

1032
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 3: know where we'll go go to perfect score.

1033
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: Awesome. Thank you so much, Eddie, appreciate you.

1034
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me and yes I'll see you in

1035
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 3: East London. Enjoy your beef well. And you know, I

1036
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 3: really think someone should do a study. If you're a clinician.

1037
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,240
Speaker 1: Or you know, have access to a journal.

1038
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 2: In the medical field or psychology or whatnot, I think

1039
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 2: you should do a study on the idea of colors

1040
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 2: in sobriety and recovery. Because I had said this in

1041
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 2: my book and so many other people. You've heard it

1042
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 2: on this podcast before. I've read it in so many books.

1043
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 2: The idea that when you become sober you see colors

1044
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 2: you never saw you.

1045
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 3: Like.

1046
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 2: That phrase in itself comes up so often. I think

1047
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 2: I said in my book that I was able to

1048
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 2: taste colors right. I was able to And the idea

1049
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 2: is that my senses were a wakened in a way

1050
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,919
Speaker 2: that I had never fully realized like like drinking had

1051
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 2: so muted my senses and it's just such a common

1052
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 2: refrain and idea. And so I love what Eddie said

1053
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 2: near the end. If you're watching this podcast on the

1054
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,240
Speaker 2: Veritas Daily, you saw me just like, you know, shake

1055
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 2: my hands and smile big, because yeah, it's just so

1056
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 2: interesting and so accurate. And I wonder is that your

1057
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 2: experience let me know, right like, I'd love to hear.

1058
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear from you. I'm so thankful for Eddie,

1059
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: Like I.

1060
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 2: Think he represents someone that, like not everyone is at

1061
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 2: the same place, either in their sobriety or their faith journey.

1062
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: And I think Eddie just.

1063
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 2: Offers a perspective and a vivaciousness that I just I

1064
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 2: think is important and I love and so I am

1065
00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 2: excited that he is in the family of faith and

1066
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 2: that he is now, you know, just just pursuing Jesus.

1067
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: And that is what I think is so important.

1068
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 2: You've heard me say this a lot, and I'm just

1069
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 2: gonna keep repeating it that the goal is not sobriety,

1070
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 2: the goal is Jesus. And there's so much more that

1071
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 2: you get when your goal is Jesus and not just sobriety.

1072
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 2: I'd love to talk to you about that. If you

1073
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 2: have questions about that, shoot me an email. Christian Alcoholic

1074
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 2: dot com. Christian Alcoholic dot com. Thank you, as always

1075
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 2: to our partner, Life Audio. Life Audio is has been

1076
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:40,760
Speaker 2: such a great uh friend to this program. They've believed

1077
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 2: in it before anyone else did. And so you can

1078
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 2: go to life audio dot com and listen to some

1079
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 2: of the other great podcasts love Life Sober with my

1080
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:55,240
Speaker 2: friend Christy Osborne, just several others, and so so grateful

1081
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 2: to Life Audio.

1082
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Speaker 1: Love you guys.

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Speaker 2: We will see you back here next week.