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Speaker 1: Life Audio on today's episode of Timeless Wisdom.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's very interesting what is the purpose of family?

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Speaker 2: It's an interesting question, what is the purpose of family? There?

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Speaker 2: Of course, people will have all sorts of answers, you know,

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Speaker 2: haven in a heartless world, and all sorts of things.

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Speaker 2: I would argue that there are many, but one that

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Speaker 2: I want to focus on here, at least in so

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Speaker 2: far as the siblings are concerned, not parents, is that

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Speaker 2: that is where you work out the ability to deal

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Speaker 2: with the world. After all, that is your world when

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Speaker 2: you're growing up. That is how you start to learn,

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Speaker 2: for example, not to be selfish. Will you please share

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Speaker 2: the toy with your little sister. You have seventy six cookies?

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Speaker 2: Why are you eating all of them? Did you ever

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Speaker 2: see little kids hoard? It's incredible to watch. They will

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Speaker 2: take all twenty two cookies and they don't even eat

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Speaker 2: them because the cookies way more than the kid does.

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Speaker 2: But if one other kid wants a cookie, they run

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Speaker 2: away with the entire batch. How do you ever learn

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Speaker 2: to share? How do you learn you're not the center

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Speaker 2: of the universe.

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Speaker 1: That's coming up on Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager. Here thousands of hours

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Speaker 2: Forty four all right, it's the drama. The drama here

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Speaker 2: is extraordinary with Joseph and his brothers, the brothers having

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Speaker 2: been sent back. Now roops, sorry for the wind as

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Speaker 2: it were. Okay, the last thing I did, you will

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Speaker 2: recall is when Joseph is with his brothers and is

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Speaker 2: served separately, or recall and the Egyptian rule that you

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Speaker 2: could not eat with non Egyptians. And I spoke about

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Speaker 2: how racism and a sense of superiority over the other

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Speaker 2: is universal it and is one of the most important

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Speaker 2: things that people have to come back. Okay. Then he

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Speaker 2: instructed this is forty four to one. Then he instructed,

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Speaker 2: this is Joseph his house steward, as follows. Fill the

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Speaker 2: men's bags with food as much as they can carry,

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Speaker 2: and put in each one's money in the mouth, each

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Speaker 2: one's money in the mouth of his bag. Put my

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Speaker 2: silver goblet in the mouth of the bag of the

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Speaker 2: youngest one, together with his money. For the rations, and

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Speaker 2: he did as Joseph told him. So this is going

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Speaker 2: to be another test of the brothers caused by Joseph.

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Speaker 2: Here the goblet is made out of silver, and Sauna

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Speaker 2: points out one of the most interesting items I can imagine.

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Speaker 2: It shows you the integrity of the text. You know,

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Speaker 2: one thing I have avoided entirely For those of you

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Speaker 2: who know about the documentary hypothesis, which scholars, oh, I

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Speaker 2: didn't put on my keypot. Thank you for reminding Melars

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Speaker 2: scholars generally secular scholars generally agree that there is a

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Speaker 2: that there are certain documents that compose the Torah, specifically

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Speaker 2: Jehovah Eloheim due toonomic jp D and priestly at any rate,

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Speaker 2: I have avoided that entirely because if it's true, it

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Speaker 2: doesn't bear on the meaning that I care about, and

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Speaker 2: if it's not true, it certainly doesn't matter. So that

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Speaker 2: is not the sort of thing that interests me. But

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Speaker 2: if you do believe it, if you do subscribe to

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Speaker 2: the documentary hypothesis, one thing you do have to acknowledge

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Speaker 2: is that whoever edited it, as they call him, r

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Speaker 2: adactor editor, was a genius in being able to interweave

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Speaker 2: different traditions into the Genesis text or the Torri text generally.

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Speaker 2: And I am now going to tell you something that

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Speaker 2: Sarna points out which shows this extraordinary ability. Between chapters

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Speaker 2: forty two and forty five, the word silver is mentioned

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Speaker 2: twenty times. The brothers sold Joseph for twenty pieces of silver.

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Speaker 2: It cannot be a coincidence, obviously, And what is the

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Speaker 2: sold them for twenty pieces of silver. Now silver plays

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Speaker 2: confront what they had done. Twenty there, twenty here. It's

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Speaker 2: Torah story. Whether it's the Redactor, God, Moses, or whatever

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Speaker 2: Now he puts the silver goblet. The silver goblet at

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Speaker 2: has importance, And I'll tell you what it is. Verse three,

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Speaker 2: It was a wicked thing for you to do. Remember,

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Speaker 2: they are now being blamed for stealing the silver goblet Joseph. Now,

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Speaker 2: points out an interesting thing. This goblet is claimed here

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Speaker 2: by Joseph to be used for his purposes of divination,

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Speaker 2: to be able to divine things. Now, it's very interesting

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Speaker 2: indicate that what is in question here is water divination.

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Speaker 2: This will just give you an insight, among other things,

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Speaker 2: Actually it is the very one. Oh, are you're right? Six?

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Speaker 2: He overtook them, This is the steward going at Joseph's orders.

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Speaker 2: These poor brothers by now remember the first time they're accused.

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Speaker 2: Joseph would have never assumed that they had done any penitents,

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Speaker 2: You wouldn't go, ah, All's, well, how you been? It

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Speaker 2: in both that he had a brilliant scenario to figure

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Speaker 2: out were they really new people, better people? And he

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Speaker 2: it is this, When you get angry, you have to

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Speaker 2: it's not fair to the others. If the boss mistreats

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Speaker 2: it's not fair to the dog. The dog, if he

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Speaker 2: Okay, we are at verse. Let's see, why does my

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Speaker 2: say such things? How could we be accused of taking

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Speaker 2: of this of this man. A far be it from

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Speaker 2: we may make a very good argument how it be

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Speaker 2: impossible they would be idiots to have stolen it? Here

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Speaker 2: we brought back to you from the land of Canan,

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Speaker 2: the money that we found in the mouths of our bags.

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Speaker 2: Remember they got away with that a quote unquote theft. Correct. Now,

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Speaker 2: didn't know we stole in order to steal less money? Right?

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's absurd, It's an actual absurdity. Whereas the

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Speaker 2: Talmud says a calva comer, if I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: steal all that money, I'm certainly not going to steal

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Speaker 2: less money. Okay, So that we found out, how then

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Speaker 2: master's house? Which now listen to this, whichever of your

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Speaker 2: servants it is found with shall die. The rest of us,

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Speaker 2: moreover shall become slaves to my lord. The brothers were

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Speaker 2: but they had every right to do so. They hardly

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Speaker 2: That's what all these tests are about. Will you go

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Speaker 2: How Egyptianized did Joseph become? I mean, this gives you

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Speaker 2: I mean that divination is, as I said, very proscribed,

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Speaker 2: All right, gift can I might?

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Speaker 2: Might it have been a ruse in order to reconfirm

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Speaker 2: what I'm always afraid of is please write it down.

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Speaker 2: also shows you the battle of Judaism to Judaized Jews.

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Speaker 2: If Joseph is this deeply affected by Egypt in a

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Speaker 2: which I think is much more natural than monotheism, which

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Speaker 2: thank you sixteen. Judah replied, what can we say to

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Speaker 2: these are the words you would use. How can we plead?

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Speaker 2: How can we prove our innocence? He's right, what are

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Speaker 2: he in whose possession the goblet was found shall be

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Speaker 2: the brothers had reason to resent Joseph. And Benjamin Jacob

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Speaker 1: This episode of Timeless Wisdom will continue right after this.

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Speaker 1: Now back to more of Dennis Fragger's Timeless Wisdom.

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Speaker 2: Verse eighteen. In the beginning of the Hebrew portion of Vayigosh,

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Speaker 2: He also speaks about the father, uses that word Jacob

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Speaker 2: Father is mentioned fourteen times. Slave or servant is mentioned

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Speaker 2: thirteen times in this appeal. My lord asked his servants,

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Speaker 2: to repeat that his brother is dead. Who's the brother, right? Okay,

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Speaker 2: you're with me. Great Joseph is brother parentheses, Joseph is dead.

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Speaker 2: So he alone, that is Benjamin alone is left of

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Speaker 2: you see again how that thing comes up this time. However,

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Speaker 2: Judah is recapitulating the events that brought them to this

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Speaker 2: We said to my lord, the boy cannot leave his father.

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Speaker 2: But you said to your servants, unless your youngest brother

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Speaker 2: When we came back to your servant, my father, we

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Speaker 2: we can't go down. Only if our youngest brother is

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Speaker 2: There's First of all, this was never recounted in the

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Speaker 2: also though, when you think about it, it evokes pity

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Speaker 2: The fact is that whether he did or not, uh well,

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Speaker 2: should have uttered, in the presence of his ten sons,

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00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 2: the children of Leah, Zilpah, and Bilha, such words as

428
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 2: you know that my wife bore me two sons, who

429
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 2: are you? How could Jacob have described Rachel to the

430
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 2: children of his other wives as his wife, had he

431
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 2: not been punished enough for showing favoritism to his son Joseph. Presumably, therefore,

432
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 2: Jacob had not uttered these words, Judah had added them

433
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 2: for effect in order to arouse the compassion of the

434
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 2: Egyptian governor he was taking the only son left by

435
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 2: the only woman Jacob regarded as his wife. Even if

436
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 2: Jacob had not uttered these words, Judah was giving a

437
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 2: faithful picture of his father's feelings, which is very very

438
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 2: said for the kids. I mean, that's not so sad

439
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 2: about from which woman you came. It's said that it

440
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 2: mattered that much to the father. That's the point. I mean,

441
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 2: a parent can love children who came from you know,

442
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 2: who knows from whom. The question if the point here

443
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 2: is that Jacob didn't, the point is that Jacob loved

444
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 2: the children of Rachel more than all the others. And

445
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: so whether he said it or not, and it would

446
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 2: be I doubt if he would have said it. I mean,

447
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 2: that degree of callousness is difficult to attribute to Jacob.

448
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 2: It was inserted, as she points out, to evoke more

449
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 2: compassion for him, and I might add subconsciously for the brothers.

450
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 2: It would be it would you. And it had to

451
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 2: have had an impact on Joseph. You know what, I

452
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 2: never realized the favoritism. I mean, he's a glown man now, Joseph,

453
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden it's dawning on him. My god,

454
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: you guys have been a real victim in this family.

455
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 2: Only my brother Benjamin and I Will really loved. That's

456
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: what they're saying to him, not of course, knowing in

457
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 2: any possible way that this is Joseph. It had to

458
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: have an effect on Joseph hearing this about his brothers.

459
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 2: At that age, when you're an adult, you understand, especially

460
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 2: he's now a father, you understo. My god, you guys

461
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 2: were pained, not only I. I was obviously pained in

462
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 2: a pit, but you were pained in a different way.

463
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: So that's a very powerful statement that verse twenty seven,

464
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 2: Verse twenty eight, Verse twenty seven, your servant, my father

465
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: said to us, as you know, my wife bore me

466
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: two sons twenty eight, but one is gone from me.

467
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 2: And I said, alas he was torn by a beast,

468
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: and I have not seen him since. According to As

469
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: Hurtz puts it, this is the first time Joseph learns

470
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 2: how he was reported to have died and what happened

471
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,479
Speaker 2: to him. He never knew why did the brothers report

472
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: to Dad when they came back without me? And now

473
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: he's finding out what in fact was believed or what

474
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 2: at least was believed by Jacob right, because the brothers

475
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 2: knew they had dipped in the coat, into the into

476
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: the blood. If you take this one from me too,

477
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: and he meets with disaster, this is still quoting Jacob

478
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: to Joseph, you will send my white head down to Shaouhl.

479
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 2: Remember the underworld in sorrow thirty Now, if I come

480
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: to your servant my father and the boy is not

481
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 2: with us, since his own life is so bound up

482
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 2: with his, when he sees that the boy is not

483
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: with us, he will die. This is Judah continuing his plea.

484
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 2: If you do not let this boy go, our father

485
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 2: will die, and your servants will send the whitehead of

486
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: your servant our father. Notice again how many times servant

487
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: and father are used down to Shaohl in grief. Now

488
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: your servant has pledged himself for the boy, to my father, saying,

489
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: if I do not bring him back to you. I

490
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 2: shall stand guilty before my father forever. Therefore, please let

491
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: your servant remain as a slave to my lord instead

492
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: of the boy. And let the boy go back with

493
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: his brothers. For how can I go back to my

494
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: father unless the boy is with me? Let me not

495
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 2: be witnessed to the woe that would overtake my father?

496
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 2: Is that powerful or is that powerful? You have your choice? Now?

497
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: A very interesting thing. Do you remember how many times

498
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: now I have shown you where what happens, what comes around,

499
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: or what goes around comes around? What did Judah offer

500
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 2: himself to be slave? Please turn to Genesis thirty seven

501
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 2: twenty six. It's actually eerie, how seamless the web is.

502
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: Genesis thirty seven twenty six. This is when Joseph is

503
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 2: in the pit and the brothers are having a meal together.

504
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 2: You will recall twenty six. Then Judah said to his brothers,

505
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 2: what are we gained by killing our brother and coming

506
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 2: up his blood? Come, let's sell him to the Israelites.

507
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: The brother who advocated selling Joseph as a slave now

508
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 2: offers himself to be the slave of his brother. Whoof incredible,

509
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 2: isn't it? It's just it's the sort. It's chilling to me.

510
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 2: How again the stuff comes around. Let me read to

511
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 2: you Sarna here the one here he is. It's exactly

512
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: what he says. Okay h. Judah has learned the meaning

513
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: of brotherhood. This is me and of responsibility. Family. Responsibility

514
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: does not come naturally, It too must be learned. Judah

515
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 2: is the art typical penitent and one who has learned

516
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 2: from his errors and sins. Judah has changed. Judah understands now.

517
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 2: I have responsibility to my brother, favorite favorite. I have

518
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 2: responsibility as an older brother to a younger brother. I

519
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: have a responsibility to a brother period. You know, it's

520
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 2: very interesting. What is the purpose of family? It's an

521
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: interesting question what is the purpose of family? There? Of course,

522
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: people will have all sorts of answers, you know, haven

523
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 2: in a heartless world, and all sorts of things. I

524
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 2: would argue that there are many, but one that I

525
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: want to focus on here, at least in so far

526
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: as the siblings are concerned, not pants, is that that

527
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: is where you work out the ability to deal with

528
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 2: the world. After all, that is your world when you're

529
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 2: growing up. That is how you start to learn, for example,

530
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 2: not to be selfish? Will you please share the toy

531
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 2: with your little sister? You have seventy six cookies? Why

532
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 2: are you eating all of them? Did you ever see

533
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: little kids hoard? It's incredible to watch. They will take

534
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: all twenty two cookies and they don't even eat them

535
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: because the cookies way more than the kid does. But

536
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,479
Speaker 2: if one other kid wants a cookie, they run away

537
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 2: with the entire batch. How do you ever learn to share?

538
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: How do you learn you're not the center of the universe.

539
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 2: One way in which you can, not everybody does, is

540
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 2: by how you work out things with your siblings. That's

541
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: one of the advantages, or at least so it is

542
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 2: theoretically of a large family, not from forgetting parents entirely,

543
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 2: talking about just the children, just the siblings. That's the

544
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 2: community you work things out. And the truth is, if

545
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: you can work things out with siblings, you are ahead

546
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 2: of everybody, because it is much harder to work things

547
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 2: out with siblings than it is with strangers. I mean,

548
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: that's the joke of it. I've always found it one

549
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: of the most bizarre things. Where you have close friends

550
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: and they will say, let's say two guys are very

551
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 2: close friends. Oh, I love him like a brother. Give

552
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: me a break. How many brothers love each other like

553
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 2: friends love each other? Are you kidding? Weddy? One out

554
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 2: of a hundred. You should have it the other way.

555
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: If brothers are close, they should go I love him

556
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 2: like a friend. That would make sense. I love her,

557
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 2: you know, not like a sister. Sisters and sisters have

558
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: it sometimes and you know, like when they reach their seventies,

559
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 2: Dan all of a sudden, Eh, maybe we can work

560
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: things out, dolling that you know, but give me it certainly,

561
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: not as kids. That's my dress. I mean that is

562
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 2: sisters are notorious. She's gonna wear my clothing again? Are

563
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: you kidding? And so it's part of the process. Judah

564
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: has learned, Hey, wait a minute, I have to take

565
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: care of younger brothers. These issues not do I love Benjamin?

566
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 2: It isn't do I resent Benjamin. It's what are my responsibilities?

567
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 2: And it's true for parenting. The question isn't whether Jacob

568
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 2: loves his kids equally. That's between him and his own heart.

569
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,479
Speaker 2: The question is do you show it to your kids?

570
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 2: That's wrong. I mean, you know, it's an old age,

571
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: old philosophical, unspoken issue to parents love all their kids equally.

572
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 2: Some do, some don't, or at least some will love

573
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,479
Speaker 2: them more equally, but clearly like some more than others,

574
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 2: which makes perfect sense. Some kids are more likable. Obviously.

575
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 2: If your kid brings you a lot of joy and

576
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 2: the other kid is in jail all the time, there's

577
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 2: a very good chance that former is more likeable. You

578
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 2: are hardly bizarre. I mean so there are responsibilities though

579
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 2: that are inherent to family. That's and that apparently is

580
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 2: what Judah has picked up here. He is also a penitent.

581
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 2: I see God knows our crime. I deserve to be

582
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: a slave, is almost what he's saying. Not only do

583
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 2: I owe my dad to get Benjamin back to him,

584
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 2: I deserve to be a slave. I think that that

585
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: is part of what Judah is even saying to himself.

586
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: It's pretty clear to me now I'm paying the price

587
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: for what happened a while ago in what I advocated

588
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 2: be done to our brother Joseph. So you have here

589
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: a very impressive man. There is a statement in Judaism

590
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 2: bi macombe h Balchuvao maide ain't Sadiko made in the

591
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: spot on the on the level that a penitent stands

592
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: the most righteous person cannot stand the highest level in Judaism.

593
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: By this statement, the highest level of human achievement is

594
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 2: by the one who has done bad and truly repented

595
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 2: and become beautiful, rather than the one who is always beautiful.

596
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 2: To have sunk and then to have risen is the

597
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 2: highest madre ga, the highest level that the human can reach.

598
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 2: Judah is, as I wrote here, an archetype of that

599
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: sells his brother into slavery and now reaches the point

600
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 2: where he says, no, I will go into slavery rather

601
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: than my brother. That's a big turnaround in life, and

602
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: it's very impressive. By the way. You know, it is Judah,

603
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: after all, after whom Jews are named. We're not Benjaminites

604
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 2: or Josephites or Rubenites, were Judah's Jews, So it's you

605
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 2: know there, it's named after as it were, this tribe

606
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 2: started by this son who reached an extraordinary level.

607
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: This episode of Timeless Wisdom will continue right after this.

608
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 1: Now back to more of Dennis Fragger's Timeless Wisdom, chapter

609
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Speaker 1: forty five.

610
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 2: The drama is this plea of Judah is has to

611
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 2: move Joseph on every level he sees the suffering of

612
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 2: his brothers. He sees that they have passed the test

613
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 2: with flying colors. Nobody argues with Judah, Hey, Judah, what

614
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 2: are you talking about. Let Benjamin be a slave. Nothing

615
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,720
Speaker 2: they have changed. He is their brothers. He has played

616
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: with them enough. They too are in pain. And the

617
00:39:55,719 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 2: truth is, you know, it's a sad not totally sad,

618
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 2: but sad fact of life that we are capable of

619
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: loving people much more when we know that they are,

620
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 2: that they have pain too. The toughest people to love

621
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: because they're the toughest to empathize with, are those who

622
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 2: seem to go through life painlessly. If somebody opens to

623
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 2: you about their at cirrus, they're deep problems, don't you

624
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: immediately feel closer to them? Unless it's on an airplane.

625
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: See when it happens on an airplane, I actually, you know,

626
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 2: look for the escape door. That's then it's a bad

627
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 2: it's a somewhat sadistic thing, but outside of enclosed quarters

628
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 2: that cannot be left in all seriousness, you do immediately.

629
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: We all do feel closer to someone when they open up.

630
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: And that is that is partially because every one of

631
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: us has pain, and we resent all most the sense

632
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: how the hell did you get out of pain? I've

633
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: been in it my whole life, and you walk through

634
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 2: life you know, nothing bugs you. You've had everything for you.

635
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 2: That's terrible. That was Joseph's view of his brothers as

636
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 2: it were. Now he goes, wait a minute, what an

637
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 2: erroneous view of my brothers. They were in deep pain.

638
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 2: Then they're in deep pain now over the way they

639
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: were raised and I was raised. These are people and

640
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 2: he and so that's one element that immediately moves him.

641
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: The other is they're penitent. The other is the father.

642
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: He can't you know, the father, the father. The father

643
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 2: keeps being mentioned. And he's played with them enough. He

644
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 2: has gotten the revenge out of his system. In fact,

645
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 2: by now with the pola from Judah, he's probably a

646
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 2: little embarrassed at this point. He probably feels, uh, oh,

647
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 2: you know, I may have taken I may have played

648
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 2: a game too far. These people are in terrible pain.

649
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: And indeed that is what forty five implies, at least emotionally.

650
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 2: Chapter forty five, Joseph could no longer control himself before

651
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 2: all his attendants, and he cried out, have everyone withdraw

652
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: from me. So there was no one else about. When

653
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 2: Joseph made himself known to his brothers, his sobs were

654
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 2: so loud that the Egyptians could hear, and so the

655
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: news reached Pharaoh's palace. Joseph said to his brothers, I

656
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 2: am Joseph. Is my father still well? But his brothers

657
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 2: couldn't answer him, so dumbfounded were they on account of him.

658
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 2: At this point the brothers my suspicions, did not believe him.

659
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, there is no parallel in any

660
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 2: of our lives that I can imagine, except someone you

661
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 2: would assume dead a long time ago, who is not

662
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 2: only that, but is it a totally different world as

663
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 2: one of its heads, And then announces, I am your

664
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 2: I am the one you thought was dead, and it

665
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: was your brother's. There's no possible reaction, so he speaks again.

666
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 2: Then Joseph said to his brothers, come forward to me. Now, notice,

667
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 2: of course, adding some degree of veracity to his claim,

668
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 2: there were no interpreters about. Remember he had spoken through

669
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: interpreters the whole time to act Egyptian. There is no

670
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: Egyptian now around him. He's communicating to them in their language.

671
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 2: Then Joseph said to his brothers, come forward, to me,

672
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 2: and when they came forward, he said, I am your

673
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 2: brother Joseph, whom you sold into Egypt. I am your

674
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: brother Joseph is one of the most famous statements, of

675
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 2: course in Western literature, let alone of course, to Torah.

676
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: It was incidentally the name the phrase that Pope John

677
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 2: the twenty third used when he greeted Jewish leaders. I

678
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 2: think it was nineteen sixty three when they came to

679
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 2: the Vatican. And he was, of course, from certainly from

680
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 2: a Jewish perspective, one of the giants of history, a

681
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 2: man who wanted to atone for millennia of anti Semitism

682
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 2: that had taken place, often at the highest levels of

683
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: his own church. And he greeted the Jewish leaders, I

684
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 2: am your brother Joseph, because that was his baptismal name, Joseph.

685
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 2: You could imagine the Jews reaction the Pope of the

686
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 2: Catholic Church, after thousands of years, comes to a Jewish

687
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 2: group and goes, I am your brother Joseph. I may

688
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 2: look like a Catholic, I may look like the head,

689
00:44:54,800 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: powerful head of another world, but I am really your Joseph.

690
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 2: That's very powerful statement. I am your brother Joseph. Whom

691
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 2: you sold into Egypt. Now, do not be distressed. Can

692
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: you imagine that? Yeah, take it easy, guys, no problem,

693
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: or reproach yourselves. His first reaction here is a good one.

694
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 2: He says, don't be distressed or reproach yourselves because you

695
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 2: sold me hither. All right, now, that's very interesting. Don't

696
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 2: feel guilty about having sold me here. It was to

697
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 2: save life that God sent me ahead of you. I'm

698
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: going to talk about that in a moment. But he

699
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 2: now explains what it means to save life. God sent

700
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: me ahead of you. It is now two years that

701
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: there has been famine in the land, and there are

702
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 2: still five years to come in which there will be

703
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 2: no yield from tilling. God has sent me ahead of

704
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,959
Speaker 2: you to ensure your survival on earth and to save

705
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: your lives in an extraordinary deliverance. So it was not

706
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: you who sent me here, but God. And He has

707
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 2: made me a father to Pharaoh, lord of all his household,

708
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 2: and ruler over the whole land of Egypt. Somehow get

709
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: into a home of somebody important, The only way was

710
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 2: as a slave. How did he get to be a slave?

711
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 2: And so on? God's hand is in all of it.

712
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: Now this is a very very difficult problem, and that

713
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 2: for people who take God and religion seriously. If in

714
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 2: fact God did it, what responsibility did the brothers have

715
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 2: for having done it? Are they guilty at all? It's

716
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:57,240
Speaker 2: a difficult issue, and I don't contrary to my general

717
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 2: this deep desire, I don't have a beautiful answer for you.

718
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: I think it's a very real dilemma. Did God do

719
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: it or did the brothers do it? Or is there

720
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 2: some may lounge of the two? Which is what all

721
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 2: obviously I would ultimately come to God wanted him in

722
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 2: Egypt the UH. I never had a problem with the

723
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 2: concept that God knows the future and free will. I

724
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,439
Speaker 2: don't have in a lot of people say, how could

725
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 2: there be free will and God know the future? If

726
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 2: God knows the future, God knows what you'll do tomorrow,

727
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 2: then how do you have free will tomorrow? Right, That's

728
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 2: the way the question is posed. I have no problem

729
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 2: with that, because, among other things, I believe God stands

730
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 2: outside of time. We even know through Einstein time is

731
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 2: relative anyway, So God stands outside and you do have

732
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 2: free will, I'll give it to you in a simplistic way,

733
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 2: not just simple simplistic. I acknowledge it, but it may help.

734
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 2: You are driving on the freeway, so there's an accident

735
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 2: in the other direction, so there's a huge backup of cars, right,

736
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 2: you know, as you drive, what the future of the

737
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 2: drivers on that side is. They're gonna have to stop

738
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 2: any moment because there is an accident. Do they not

739
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 2: have free will just because you know they'll stop? Of

740
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 2: course they have free will. They could crash theoretically, right,

741
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 2: but you know what they'll do. You're not God. Now,

742
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 2: if you're not God and you know what people do

743
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 2: and they still have free will, then clearly God, who

744
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 2: is God, can know what you'll do and you still

745
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: have free will. I don't have a problem with that, Okay.

746
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 2: What I do have a problem is with this because

747
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 2: this is not where God knows what the brothers will do.

748
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 2: The implication is God made the brothers do it. But

749
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 2: if God made the brothers do it, then they didn't

750
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 2: do something out free will whatever would have happened. Indeed,

751
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: by the way in that regard, Christians had a similar thing.

752
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 2: If I were in the medieval Christian world as a

753
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 2: Jew and they were all yelling at me for being

754
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 2: a christ killer, I would have said, it wouldn't have help.

755
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 2: They would have just gotten angrier. But I would have said,

756
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 2: on purely logical grounds if while I'd blame me all

757
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 2: you like, but if the Jews didn't kill him, you

758
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 2: would have no religion. No, because God sent his only son,

759
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 2: by classical Christian theology to be killed, I mean no

760
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,479
Speaker 2: sacrilegi at all. If he'd had died in a nursing home,

761
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 2: this story would be very different. You don't die for

762
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 2: people's sins in your sleep. You die for people's sins

763
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 2: because you are killed by people doing bad things sinning.

764
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 2: So it's or hardly the only religion that has a

765
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: problem of where do you place blame? If God designed

766
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 2: it in advance to be a certain way. But it

767
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 2: is a problem. God wanted you to send me, he

768
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 2: tells them it. Don't reproach yourself. God wanted me to

769
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 2: come here. God, God had you do it as it were.

770
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 2: I don't have an answer except to say that at

771
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 2: extraordinary moments, in defining moments of history, perhaps indeed there

772
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 2: isn't absolute freedom of will. Perhaps indeed God intervenes at

773
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 2: certain times and just make certain things happen. That's true,

774
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: and that is probably what the text would want you

775
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 2: to see, not for you to learn that you don't

776
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 2: have to act out your life, because if we are

777
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 2: to all take this into our own lives as a lesson,

778
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 2: then it justifies anything you'll do. Oh, I shot him.

779
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 2: It was God's will. But that's absurd. It's a very

780
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: very difficult problem the God, the God intervening in human

781
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 2: affairs issue. See, we all want it. We want God

782
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 2: to help a loved one who was sick. And yet

783
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 2: what if God does it? It presents a lot of

784
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 2: problems to us because then why does it make us?

785
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 2: Are we just sophisticated robots? This is I'll take a

786
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 2: comment on this one. Yes, I don't know.

787
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 4: I understand that.

788
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 5: They have They have the free will well enough to

789
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 5: sound they chose to set off itself in the players

790
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 5: they say not because God's will. They attended the Egypt anyway,

791
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 5: Is it not that way to think?

792
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 6: Decided?

793
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: Is not?

794
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 4: So you would have known that another way? Maybe it's

795
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 4: a better way and history would have changed. I think

796
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 4: maybe not.

797
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 2: The way. Fine, I I think that that is a

798
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 2: does anybody have a problem with his solution? His solution

799
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 2: is God design that Joseph would end up in Egypt

800
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 2: to save them, Okay, but didn't design the manner that's

801
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 2: what you're saying, in which he would end up in Egypt,

802
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 2: so that the brothers did have free will, and uh,

803
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 2: and but so that. But but then Joseph is being

804
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 2: very generous and saying, don't reproach yourselves for selling me

805
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 2: into slavery, because if in fact you're right, he could

806
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 2: have said, you know, God would have had a much

807
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 2: more comfortable way for me to end up in Egypt.

808
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 2: He doesn't, right, But well, that's a separaation whether he's

809
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 2: a no all or be all or what. The fact

810
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 2: of the matter is, either he holds them responsible or

811
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 2: he doesn't hold them responsible, unless he's being super magnanimous,

812
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 2: which he might be. That I acknowledge that he is saying,

813
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 2: you're not respons now that I see what's happened, that I,

814
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 2: the child of Israel, ended up here to save you,

815
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 2: I clearly see the hand of God here. That's what

816
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 2: he's really saying, I think, And in which case the

817
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 2: selling seems to have been a divine plan. I like

818
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 2: your idea. It's just no, I just don't think that's

819
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 2: what Joseph is saying, unless which is really possible, he's

820
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 2: just being magnanimous. Listen, I don't know how I would

821
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 2: have ended up here, but I had to be here.

822
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 2: That was God's plan, and it just worked out that

823
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 2: this is the way it would be. Yes, but he's

824
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 2: the core of.

825
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 4: It that he was there at to say now or

826
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 4: that he's been done that act and he's still been

827
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 4: treating him the way he has and with some condictedness.

828
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 2: So therefore maybe he is being Yes, he might be

829
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 2: magnanimous because of the vindictiveness, is what you're saying. Anyway,

830
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 2: all I want to do is raise it. It's a

831
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 2: tough issue. Uh. The Rabbis and Judaism, by the way,

832
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 2: make it even tougher in some way. They hold at

833
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: the destruction, for example, of the two Temples the greatest

834
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 2: catastrophes in Jewish history, not just because theologically the temple

835
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 2: was destroyed massive amount of torture and rape and death

836
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 2: among Jews massive, I mean almost Tlacostian proportions, though not

837
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 2: in numbers because they weren't that many Jews like like

838
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 2: in Europe, but in proportion, and they argue that will

839
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 2: Metu Gallinu Meyerzano. Because of our sins we were exiled

840
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 2: from our land. Well, then were were the Greek and

841
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 2: Roman conquerors acting out God's will? In which case do

842
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 2: you blame them?

843
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:38,919
Speaker 4: See?

844
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 2: These are very these are these are problems. I mean,

845
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 2: they may be solved. We would have been exiled anyway,

846
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 2: but they still had freedom of choice and the whether

847
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 2: or not they do it maybe maybe not.

848
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 4: Did you have a hand up, Yes, yeah, I just

849
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 4: it seems that one of the times have made them

850
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 4: evi enough to give them bod' begin.

851
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 2: That God would have that. It seemed that God had

852
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 2: to make them evil enough in order to do it. No,

853
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 2: I think that I don't see is a problem. I well,

854
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 2: you're right, Well, I see if if, in fact they

855
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 2: would not have done it without God's plan, then God

856
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,919
Speaker 2: made them worse, which really would really would make would

857
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 2: would see it as a problem. All right, resolve it

858
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 2: as you will. I think your magnanimity idea is probably

859
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 2: the best. That look, I have to end up here,

860
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 2: and whatever road would be taken would be taken, would

861
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 2: probably be the best. But it is a problematic one

862
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 2: the hand of God. However, let me just tell you this,

863
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 2: if you have problems with the contradictions of freedom of

864
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 2: will in the Torah. Please understand that secular life presents

865
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,760
Speaker 2: its own list of things that they that are argued

866
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 2: are against freedom of will. And I just made a

867
00:55:49,960 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 2: little list genes, environment, parents, help are are you know?

868
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 2: Is our freedom of will not circumscribed? Folks? If I

869
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 2: had wanted to be a track star, nothing would have

870
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 2: done it. I could not have done it with all

871
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 2: the work in the world. I was given the feet

872
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 2: of a talk show host. That is the way. No,

873
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 2: that is exactly what my pediatrist told me a couple

874
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 2: of years ago. I am in the perfect profession for

875
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 2: the feat that I have. Okay, I don't have the

876
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 2: freedom to run as fast as others will run. You

877
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 2: don't have the freedom to do a million things and

878
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 2: me to do I. Of course, our freedoms are circumscribed.

879
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 2: It is. It is a fact of life. But I

880
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 2: want to tell you what is even more remarkable. And

881
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 2: I wish this was my point, but it's not. I

882
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,959
Speaker 2: learned this from Lev Shestov, and I forgot his book

883
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 2: and a Russian I believe, Russian Jewish philosopher, and he

884
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 2: noted that the only possible way to believe that people

885
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 2: have any freedom of choice is to believe in God.

886
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 2: A purely secular view of humanity ultimately argues that you

887
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 2: have no freedom, and he's right. Let me ask you

888
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 2: a simple question. Assume that you have no soul, because

889
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 2: the God issue implies a soul or something beyond the

890
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 2: physical other than genes and environment. Why do people do

891
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 2: anything if I don't know you signed up to take

892
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 2: this course. Why didn't you sign up to take this

893
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 2: course because you wanted to learn? You wanted to study

894
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 2: with me the Book of Genesis. You wanted to study

895
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 2: the book of Me for Genesis because this and the

896
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 2: reason this is me? And until you go back and back,

897
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 2: why you and not somebody else? Well, you were raised

898
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 2: in such a way that you have intellectual curiosity about

899
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 2: biblical stuff or whatever it might be. Ultimately, why do

900
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 2: we do anything if there is nothing in us that

901
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 2: shoun transcend genes and environment? His argument is only a

902
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 2: religious worldview, only a religious perspective on life, actually posits

903
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 2: that there is freedom. So I just want you to know,

904
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 2: with all our problems of God's will and so on,

905
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 2: the truth is one of the reasons that I did

906
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 2: come to religion was this argument. I do believe we

907
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 2: have some freedom. I don't believe that everything we do

908
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 2: is the product of genes and environment and we are

909
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 2: only sophisticated computers. I do believe there is a denis

910
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 2: that is more than the sum of its parts of

911
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 2: genes and environment. Okay, And I suspect that most of

912
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 2: you believe that about you, that you are more than

913
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 2: just the inputs in you, the physical and the environmental

914
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 2: inputs in you.

915
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 3: But what is that?

916
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 2: Who is the you? Who is jar? Is there a

917
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 2: you that is beyond that? And if you hold that

918
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 2: it's a religious conviction, because it's an act of faith,

919
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 2: you can't show it. You can't measure it, you can't

920
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 2: prove it, you can't demonstrate it, you can't put it

921
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 2: in a test to So this whole thing is a

922
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 2: difficult thing for whether you're secular, where I think it's

923
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 2: impossible to hold we have ultimate freedom of choice. And

924
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 2: by the way, that is why the more secular the society,

925
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 2: the less the people are likely to blame criminals. Because

926
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 2: if ultimately all we are is the product of genes

927
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 2: and heredity, heredity and environment, then it's really not right

928
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,479
Speaker 2: to blame a rapist. It's really not right to blame

929
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 2: a serial murderer. And I mean this with no put down.

930
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 2: I reject it, but I mean it. I don't mean it.

931
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 2: I'm not arguing here, I'm describing, not arguing. Unless you

932
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 2: hold that in some way they're really is a freedom

933
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 2: of choice in the individual, then how do you blame anybody?

934
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 2: And indeed, we are living in a blame free thing.

935
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 2: That's in the final analysis, our secularized Western world produced

936
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 2: the jury that can't hold the Menendez boys guilty. If

937
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 2: if you have X input, you're gonna get why output.

938
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 2: That's the way the human is. You grow up with

939
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 2: these parents, then you murder them. It's just that's the

940
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 2: way it works. And that is why, by the way,

941
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 2: I will come to you in a moment, that is

942
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 2: why it tends to be the more religious in society

943
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 2: who are the most advocate of punished, punishing criminals. It's

944
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 2: not a coincidence. It's probably never been explained to you

945
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,959
Speaker 2: this way because a lot of religious people themselves don't

946
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 2: realize why they feel this way. A lot of secular

947
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 2: people don't realize why they feel the other way. But

948
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 2: they're both acting out what, in fact is the philosophy

949
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 2: of their culture. A religious person in the Judeo Christian

950
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 2: culture holds that people tend to be responsible for their behavior.

951
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 2: The more educated you are at a secular university, the

952
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 2: more likely you are to believe that's not so. We

953
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 2: are really the product of psychological, environmental, and hereditary forces

954
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 2: and therefore cannot be blamed for what we do. Cost

955
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 2: My big challenge, among my big challenges to people who

956
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 2: say that is if you don't blame people for the

957
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 2: bad they do, then you cannot give them credit for

958
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 2: the good they do. And then all of a sudden

959
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 2: they get very upset. You see, if you don't blame

960
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 2: the Menendez brothers for what they did, then you cannot

961
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 2: give mother Teresa credit for what she does. She is

962
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 2: just a product of heredity and environment, just as the

963
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 2: Menendez buffer's off. She can't help herself. That is exactly right,

964
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 2: That is exactly right. But there is something in you

965
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 2: that are you wait, wait, this is absurd. We're getting

966
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 2: crazy here. You're not going to give good people credit

967
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 2: for what they do. When I was when i directed

968
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 2: a college institute, college students would constantly argue that you

969
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 2: cannot give. You cannot say that anybody does anything for

970
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 2: anything other than self interest reasons. So there really aren't

971
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 2: any good people. There were no good people, and there

972
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 2: were no bad people. Bad people are products of hilarity environment.

973
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 2: Good people are also products of that, or at least

974
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 2: of calculated self interest, and that's a very dehumanizing idea

975
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 2: in my opinion.

976
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 6: Yes, well, Michu's grady yet would be the more eldish.

977
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 6: I'm just as it's good and Miles jeff im Aluku

978
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 6: in kids, you're saying they're not as comftable or may

979
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 6: not be taken off. That shakes the living wor.

980
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 2: Well exactly. No, well, you're you're you're recapitulating my original dilemma. Yes,

981
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 2: I will repeat it. She's recapitulating. She said, if God

982
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 2: did it and not the brothers, then you're taking away

983
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 2: their moral freedom. Uh, that's right. That's why I said

984
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 2: Joseph's reaction, if taken literally, presents that problem. I think

985
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 2: our best solution will be the more I think about it,

986
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 2: the magnanimity of Joseph that I don't think he means

987
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 2: it literally, because if he does mean it literally, they

988
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 2: are not culpable, which I also explain may then be

989
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 2: on rare occasions, we are not culpable. God simply uses

990
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 2: us as a vehicle. That is possible. Okay, if you're

991
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 2: the children of Israel literally and the fate of the

992
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 2: monotheistic idea rides on your family, God will intervene that.

993
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 2: And that is what the Torah is saying. It is

994
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 2: not saying it's true for anybody else. Otherwise it wouldn't

995
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:06,919
Speaker 2: punish criminals. It would just say, hey, they're doing God's will, right.

996
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 4: Postle that God's will is such as to find a vehicle,

997
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 4: a greak character that coincides what is what God will?

998
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 2: Is it possible? This man asks that God simply finds

999
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 2: the weak character to utilow to manifest or express the

1000
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 2: bad that God needs to be done. Well, it's possible.

1001
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 2: But everything's possible, you know. And that's it's it's a dilemma,

1002
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 2: and I want you to just be aware of it.

1003
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 2: It's a dilemma that confronts truly religious people, but I

1004
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 2: want you to understand that truly secular people have a

1005
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 2: worse dilemma. That was really what this was all about.

1006
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 2: I resolve it with with really this statement from a

1007
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 2: Judaism Kobe de Chamaim cuts me at a Chamayam. Every

1008
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 2: thing is in God's hands except one thing, whether or

1009
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 2: not you fear God. In other words, everything is predetermined

1010
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 2: in some way genetic environment in God's hands. Whatever accept

1011
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 2: one thing good and evil. In the moral arena, there

1012
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 2: is choice. I actually predicate my whole life's work on

1013
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 2: that belief. Ladies and gentlemen, to be to be personal

1014
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:30,439
Speaker 2: for a moment, I would never do the work I do, which,

1015
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 2: in my belief at any rate, is the hope moral

1016
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 2: improvement of people. If I didn't think people had freedom

1017
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 2: of choice to choose it be, I would go into

1018
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 2: photography and live, you know, and live with penguins who

1019
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 2: would be less likely to hurt me. I mean, the

1020
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 2: whole belief that people can change, that people can be

1021
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 2: penitent for that matter, is that there is freedom of

1022
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 2: choice in the moral sphere. But there isn't much else.

1023
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 2: There isn't that much other freedom. That is true, and

1024
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 2: we need to be sobered by that. And you are

1025
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 2: circumscribed in so many ways physically, psychologically, and so on. Now,

1026
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 2: I think it's possible to make heroic efforts and even

1027
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 2: go beyond that, I think it's a very unwise idea

1028
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 2: to just see yourself this is the way my parents

1029
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 2: made me, and I am finished till I die. I

1030
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 2: think it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. One must liberate

1031
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 2: one's self from one's parents at a given point, and

1032
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 2: better earlier than later. And I mean liberate in the

1033
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 2: best sense, not that your parents were horrific, but that

1034
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 2: you have to become an independent human being. There is

1035
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 2: no parent in history that could not make errors. As

1036
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 2: I've often said, a perfect parent will certainly drive a

1037
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 2: child to a psychiatrist. So you literally, the moment you

1038
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 2: become a parent, you are you will do some hurt

1039
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 2: to your child. It cannot be otherwise, because if you're perfect,

1040
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 2: would you like to be the child of a perfect parent?

1041
01:06:58,760 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 4: What a burden?

1042
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:03,919
Speaker 2: Who wants that? That along will send you for years

1043
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 2: into psychiatry. All right, So it's a the day your

1044
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 2: child is born, you have placed burdens on it as

1045
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 2: a result of who you are the best parent on earth?

1046
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 2: All right? Anyway, I believe in moral freedom. That is

1047
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 2: what Judaism believes in. The rest is circumscribed, that that

1048
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 2: is the one if that is not there, all human

1049
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 2: endeavor is pointless. I mean, let's be honest. If Hitler

1050
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 2: is not responsible for what he did, and Mother Teresa

1051
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 2: is not responsible for what she does, then we might

1052
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 2: as well punt. Then why try any self improvement? The

1053
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 2: very notion of self improvement, the very notion of penitence,

1054
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 2: implies freedom of choice. I now choose to redeem my nature. Okay,

1055
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 2: I must finish this chapter to hold your questions. Please,

1056
01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 2: what verse are we up to? Thank you. You're very

1057
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 2: good at that. I appreciate it. You do, I tell you,

1058
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 2: I can never read one verse twice my brother's keeper.

1059
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 2: Now hurry back to my father. This is Joseph continuing

1060
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 2: his response to Juda and the brothers. Now hurry back

1061
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,679
Speaker 2: to my father and say to him, Thus says your son, Joseph,

1062
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 2: God has made me lord of all Egypt. Come down

1063
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Speaker 2: to me without delay. You will dwell in the region

1064
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 2: of Goshen, where you will be near me, You and

1065
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 2: your children and your grandchildren, your flocks and herds, and

1066
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:42,640
Speaker 2: all that is yours. There I will provide for you,

1067
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 2: for there are yet five years of famine to come

1068
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 2: that you and your household and all that is yours

1069
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 2: may not suffer. Want you can see for yourselves, and

1070
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 2: my brother Benjamin for himself. Is that interesting how he

1071
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 2: isolates him as my brother again, it's a problem. It's

1072
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 2: almost like Joseph and his siblings. You know, it shouldn't

1073
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 2: even be Joseph and his brothers. Then my brother Benjamin

1074
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:13,679
Speaker 2: for himself. That it is indeed I who am speaking

1075
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,759
Speaker 2: to you. And you must tell my father everything about

1076
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,719
Speaker 2: my high station in Egypt and all that you have seen.

1077
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 2: Bring my father Nachas, and bring my father here with

1078
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 2: all speed. With that, he embraced his brother Benjamin see

1079
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 2: around the neck and wept, and Benjamin wept on his neck.

1080
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 2: He kissed all his brothers and wept upon them. Only

1081
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 2: then were his brothers able to talk to him. The

1082
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 2: news reached Pharaoh's palace. Joseph's brothers have come. Pharaoh and

1083
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 2: his courtiers were pleased, and Pharaoh said to Joseph, I

1084
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 2: just want to see the Hebrew. Yes, it's a very

1085
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 2: pretty Hebrew. The Hebrew is and the Jkoni schmabet paro.

1086
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:07,600
Speaker 2: And the voice went out that was heard in the

1087
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 2: house of Pharaoh Nymore saying brawareyose the brothers of Joseph

1088
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 2: have come vaitav bing a paro being abdug, and it

1089
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 2: was good in the eyes of Pharaoh and his and

1090
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 2: his servants. It's it's just the Hebrew was nicer than

1091
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 2: We're pleased. It was a good thing. And doesn't it

1092
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 2: touch you about Pharaoh and his servants. That's a very

1093
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 2: touching reaction, isn't it not? Like, Hey, why is this

1094
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 2: a lot of nepotism here? We're gonna get stuck with

1095
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 2: this whole group. Now, what a lovely thing, this lonely

1096
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 2: guy here because he's not really fully Egyptian as his family.

1097
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 2: What a nice thing. And it also contrasts powerfully with

1098
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 2: the pharaoh later who enslaves the Jews the great great line,

1099
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 2: one of the great incredible lines of the Toravaya Kamela,

1100
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:01,759
Speaker 2: kadash shl Mitrijamashaloya dat Yos, and a new pharaoh arose

1101
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 2: over Egypt who did not know Joseph by the way.

1102
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 2: That is again, these parallels in Jewish history are rather staggering.

1103
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 2: When Jews work in the h help establish a group

1104
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 2: and then the next generation rejects them. Many Jews feel this,

1105
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 2: legitimately or not, is not the issue I just want

1106
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 2: to say that many Jews feel this with regard to

1107
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 2: some Black Americans where Jews had played or some of

1108
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 2: the black leadership where Jews had played an instrumental role

1109
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 2: in founding the NAACP, and then the NAACP finds it

1110
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 2: very difficult to feel positively about Jews and to feel

1111
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 2: very negatively about some anti Semitic currents, legitimate or not.

1112
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 2: As a perception. It is the sort of thing almost

1113
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 2: and their arose in new leader of the NAACP who

1114
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 2: did not know Rabbi so and so. You see, it's

1115
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 2: almost that sort of thing. Not to say that Jews

1116
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 2: are completely, you know, wonderful or anything like that, just

1117
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 2: that you have in history very interesting parallels in Jewish life.

1118
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 2: And this Pharaoh is just a sweetye pie, obviously, the

1119
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 2: least with regard to Joseph and his brothers seventeen and

1120
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 2: Pharaoh said to Joseph, say to your brothers, do as follows.

1121
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 2: Load up your beasts and go at once to the

1122
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 2: land of Canan. Take your father and your households, and

1123
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 2: come to me. I will give you the best of

1124
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 2: the land of Egypt, and you will live off the

1125
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:48,640
Speaker 2: fat of the land and you are bidden to d

1126
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 2: do as follows. Take from the land of Egypt wagons

1127
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 2: for your children and your wives, and bring your father here,

1128
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 2: and never mind your belongings, for the best of all,

1129
01:12:57,439 --> 01:13:00,759
Speaker 2: the land of Egypt shall be yours. Sons of Israel

1130
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 2: did so, Joseph, U where am I? Yes? Joseph gave

1131
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 2: them wagons, as Pharaoh had commanded, and he supplied them

1132
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 2: with provisions for the journey to each of them. Moreover,

1133
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 2: he gave a change of clothing, but to Benjamin he

1134
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:23,760
Speaker 2: gave three hundred pieces of sil for I'll play you this.

1135
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 2: Maybe the brothers learned, but Joseph didn't in this regard.

1136
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 2: It's really it's said, isn't it? And several changes of clothing.

1137
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 2: It really is a recurring pattern. It's painful.

1138
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 7: Yes, in your reality. Sometimes of his mind that dream

1139
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 7: would shoot his friend for by others.

1140
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:51,760
Speaker 2: Not yeah, he said, he said, I said, it's said.

1141
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:53,599
Speaker 2: But isn't it a reality that there will be siblings

1142
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 2: who will prefer some siblings to others? Yes, that is

1143
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 2: a reality. But circumstances have to dictate certain behavior. When

1144
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:01,640
Speaker 2: you have a family get together, it shouldn't be the

1145
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 2: one you hug alone and give a lot of money

1146
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 2: to you know, maybe on the side, you know, let's

1147
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:09,920
Speaker 2: have coffee after the family get together. That's totally understandable.

1148
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 2: I don't know how little Benjamin was, actually, it's a

1149
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:18,680
Speaker 2: good question. I don't know. I would love to figure out.

1150
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 2: It's say, somebody, maybe that's homework assignment for June. Tell

1151
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 2: me how old Benjamin was. And to his father he

1152
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 2: sent the following ten he asks, I like prefer he

1153
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 2: donkeys laden with the best things of Egypt, and ten

1154
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 2: she donkeys laden with grain, bread and provisions for his

1155
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 2: father on the journey. They also sent chicken, soup and nidlach.

1156
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 2: As he sent his brothers off on their way, he

1157
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 2: told them, he told them, and it says he do

1158
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 2: not be quarrelsome on the way. Well, let's hear the

1159
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 2: what other? Do not be? What on the way? What

1160
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 2: do you what do you have in your other? Do

1161
01:14:54,439 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 2: not be agitated? What else? What? Well? Not help? Fall

1162
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:04,679
Speaker 2: not out, fall not out?

1163
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 4: Don't chust an, that's not what you have.

1164
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 2: You made that up? Yes, that has fall not out,

1165
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 2: fall not out. And then they looked at Joseph and said, what,

1166
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 2: uh right, what do you have? Oh? No recrimination. Okay,

1167
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 2: the uh the Hebrew here gazoo is REGs his anger,

1168
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:41,560
Speaker 2: uh tension, do not have anger intention huh yeah, I

1169
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 2: said it has qul here too. Yeah. This was to

1170
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 2: not be quarrelsome The point is, you know what there

1171
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 2: He's telling them to calm down. Basically, don't don't get

1172
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 2: on each other about anything that you know, don't don't

1173
01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:58,720
Speaker 2: yell at anybody. You sold Joseph, you did this, look

1174
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 2: at what you did. I don't worry. Things will be

1175
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 2: calm twenty five They went from Egypt, up from Egypt

1176
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 2: and came to their father Jacob in the land of Kannan.

1177
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 2: I mean, can you imagine this scene now? I mean this,

1178
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 2: you know, I'm sure on the way to go. Guys,

1179
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:18,760
Speaker 2: how are we going to exactly tell this to dad?

1180
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 2: It's really it's an extraordinary shit. The story is just incredible.

1181
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 2: I don't know of anything like it in literature. Because

1182
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 2: you live it, you live it as it happens. That's

1183
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 2: why it's so powerful. And they told him Joseph was

1184
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:35,559
Speaker 2: still alive. Yes, he's the ruler over the whole line

1185
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 2: of Egypt. You can imagine. They just blurted out, not

1186
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 2: only is he alive? He rules all of Egypt. Sure

1187
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 2: his heart went numb, for he did not believe them exactly.

1188
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 2: Of course he doesn't believe them. And there is a

1189
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 2: great line on this. I gotta find it for you.

1190
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 2: Oh God, oh yeah, it's great. It's from the mid Rash.

1191
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 2: This is a terrific line. I'm not a big mid

1192
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 2: Rush fan all the time, but this is a great one.

1193
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:05,719
Speaker 2: When the brothers lied and told him Joseph was dead,

1194
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 2: he believed them. When they spoke the truth and said

1195
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 2: that Joseph was alive, he didn't believe them. This is

1196
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 2: the punishment of liars. Even when they speak the truth,

1197
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 2: they are not believed. I get the chills with that,

1198
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 2: because that is exactly the punishment that liars get. Don't

1199
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 2: have a clue as to when you're telling the truth.

1200
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:32,759
Speaker 2: Such a great mid Rush that is the most fitting

1201
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 2: punishment the Torah. The Torah is a book obsessed with justice.

1202
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 2: If I must say, every culture, every religion has obsession,

1203
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:52,479
Speaker 2: I would say if one were to say what is

1204
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:57,120
Speaker 2: Christianity obsessed with? Normatively, I would say love? Is that

1205
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 2: fair to Christians? Here? That that would be a good summary? Okay?

1206
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 2: Is that right? I would say that if you'd say,

1207
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 2: what is Judaism at its core obsessed with justice? What

1208
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 2: it wants is it wants a world of balance. If

1209
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 2: you lie, you should suffer the consequence, but not one

1210
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 2: eye O to more. And what is the perfect consequence

1211
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:25,600
Speaker 2: for a liar? No one will believe you. That is

1212
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:29,760
Speaker 2: the literally perfect. That is why I can't get into

1213
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 2: this now. I always defended the notion, not the practice,

1214
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 2: but the notion of eye for an eye, tooth for

1215
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:39,640
Speaker 2: a tooth. I have not only am I not embarrassed

1216
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 2: by it, I revel in it because, among other things,

1217
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 2: it meant not two eyes for an eye. If you

1218
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:51,560
Speaker 2: spray paint a car, you shouldn't have torture done to you.

1219
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:56,759
Speaker 2: You see, you should be punished for spray painting graffiti

1220
01:18:56,880 --> 01:19:00,679
Speaker 2: on a car, but not stripped, naked and with until

1221
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 2: you faint and have permanent scars on you. Just six

1222
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 2: times exactly. Grown men go into shock after the third.

1223
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 2: They have doctors to revive you. But it's so awful,

1224
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:15,719
Speaker 2: and I don't have an inherent problem with corporal punishment.

1225
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 2: It's just for graffiti's painting, which I can't stand graffiti,

1226
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 2: but it just doesn't strike me as to fortech. I

1227
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 2: don't want. That issue is not the issue, obviously. The

1228
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 2: issue is that our society has gone under eye for

1229
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 2: an eye, basically ten cents for an eye. Other societies

1230
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 2: are give me five eyes for an eye. Judaism is

1231
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 2: intoxicated with justice. That's what the Book of Genesis is about.

1232
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 2: You cheat, you get cheated, You lie, you don't get believed.

1233
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 2: You sell them to slavery, you end up a slave.

1234
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 2: You see it. Now, this doesn't really happen all the

1235
01:19:56,600 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 2: time in life, but it is Judaism's dream it were.

1236
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 2: That's the way life, and it often does. By the

1237
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 2: way it often does. There are evils for which, by

1238
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 2: the way, there cannot be. If you murder five people,

1239
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 2: you can't lose your life five times. But that is

1240
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 2: why the Torah is so passionate for capital punishment. As

1241
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 2: I taught. As I taught in the beginning, the first

1242
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 2: thing God asks after telling humanity to be fruitful and

1243
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:25,719
Speaker 2: multiply is capital punishment for murder. It's almost never noted.

1244
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:29,719
Speaker 2: You'll have to get one of my early tapes on Genesis.

1245
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 2: I'd love you to see that. People don't realize that

1246
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:35,680
Speaker 2: when God creates the world. He orders capital punishment. That

1247
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 2: is how deep the desire is. That you would take

1248
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 2: a life and keep yours offends the Torah. I won't

1249
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:47,600
Speaker 2: talk about the Talmut. It offends the Torah. Justice is

1250
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:53,799
Speaker 2: the intoxicating thing the prophets, the spokesman of God, sitt

1251
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:58,240
Speaker 2: Ti pade Zion will be redeemed through what not love,

1252
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 2: not charity, not compar justice. Justice is Judaism's passion. It

1253
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 2: has many other passions. That's its biggest, it's central one,

1254
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:12,760
Speaker 2: and that is what goes on. Here's why the mid

1255
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 2: Rush would write this. You lie perfect punishment. You don't

1256
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 2: get believed. That's all. You're not getting jail, you don't

1257
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 2: get killed. You just don't get believed. So they tell

1258
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 2: Jacob he's still alive. Not only that Dad, not only

1259
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 2: is Joseph alive, but he rules Egypt. And so you know,

1260
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:34,560
Speaker 2: as I said for my wife when I read this,

1261
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:37,559
Speaker 2: and he said, oh yeah, and I'm Napoleon. But it's

1262
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 2: not exactly what he said, because Napoleon had not been

1263
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:43,600
Speaker 2: born in this just his heart went numb, for he

1264
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 2: did not believe them. But when they recounted all that

1265
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 2: Joseph has said to them, and when he saw the

1266
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 2: wagons that Joseph had said to them and him, what, Yeah,

1267
01:21:56,880 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 2: this is a bad I saw the wagons. That t's scent.

1268
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Speaker 2: They have a bad translation in the Saarna, not said

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Speaker 2: to them, sent to them right, and him the spirit

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Speaker 2: of their father Jacob revived. Enough said Israel. Now he's

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Speaker 2: back to being Israel. Because it's now back to the

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Speaker 2: epic of the children of Israel. My son Joseph is

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Speaker 2: still alive. I must go and see him before I die.

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Speaker 2: One final comment. This is a parent talking. Your son

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Speaker 2: can be emperor of the earth. He is still your kid.

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Speaker 2: It don't matter. He doesn't want to go and get

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Speaker 2: more provisions. He doesn't want to see the ruler of Egypt.

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Speaker 2: My son's alive. I got to see him. It's so touching.

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Speaker 2: That's the whole story is recounted, and the father has

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Speaker 2: one reaction. My son's alive. I got to see him.

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Speaker 2: That's a parent. The rest of the stuff is very nice, terrific.

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Speaker 2: He's ahead of Egypt, but he's my son. And that

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Speaker 2: is the way it works. And it is a powerful chapter.

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Speaker 2: And I will see you the first week of June.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, thank you, thank.

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Speaker 1: You on tomorrow's Sunday fireside Chat.

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Speaker 3: Jessica twenty eight Arizona, Hello, Dennis, Ottaw and Prager you

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Speaker 3: staff Otto Jessica and Arizona says hello, I have a

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Speaker 3: quick question regarding relationships, which is this. Do you believe

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Speaker 3: in love at first sight or is or that it's

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Speaker 3: more gradual. I would love to hear your thoughts on this.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, and I love everything you guys do.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so you will find this rather interesting and

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Speaker 3: I am very open about my life. So here goes.

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Speaker 3: I always thought love at first sight was only in movies.

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