1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 2: Hi there, and welcome to the Praying Christian Women Podcast. 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 2: I'm Jamie Hampton and today I am really excited to 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 2: get to sit down and talk with Autumn Scheck about 5 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 2: her new book, This Feels Like Home Inspirations for Finding Peace. 6 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 2: It's an amazing devotional and I just can't wait to 7 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 2: get into it. Autumn is an author, a photographer, a 8 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 2: Bible study leader, and I just wanted to thank you, 9 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 2: Autumn for just being obedient to bring this book into 10 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 2: the world. 11 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 3: It's like books are like babies. 12 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 2: You kind of have to give birth to them and 13 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 2: it can be painful, but you did it. 14 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, thank you so much for having me on. 15 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: I'm excited to be here with you, and yeah, to 16 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: talk about the book and all the things. 17 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: So yeah, Well, before we get into talking about your book, 18 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 2: we like to ask all of our guests what is 19 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 2: your favorite prayer closet? 20 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 3: So where do you go to meet with God? 21 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: That has probably shifted a little bit over the last 22 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: few years. I'm kind of all always on the hunt 23 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: for the perfect spot. But I started staying home, or 24 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: I stayed home with my kids for twelve years and 25 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: then I went back to work a couple of years ago. 26 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,839 Speaker 1: So before I went back to work, I would always 27 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: go down to the chair and our family room and 28 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: I would have my cuppy a cup of coffee, and 29 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: the kids would go to school, and that's where I 30 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: would sit there, even for like an hour or two 31 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: hours sometimes and it was lovely. And then I went 32 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: back to work, so the whole look of where I 33 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: was spending my quiet time with God changed. So I 34 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: went from that chair in the family room to where 35 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: then my son started coming down in the mornings before 36 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: school and he would turn on his YouTube shorts. I mean, 37 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: come on, how horrible okay and that. So that was 38 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: not working. So then I relocated up to our bedroom 39 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: with our sitting chair, where my sweet husband was getting 40 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: ready during that time. And so I'm sitting there and 41 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: then he'd what you got going today, Babe's it's on 42 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: the ageta and A ha, this isn't working. So right 43 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: now I'm in the basement. So I've traveled to the 44 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: basement and that is what is working for me right now. 45 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: But I'm a girl on the move, so kind of 46 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: wherever I can get it. It's an all day kind 47 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: of conversation thing. But the basement is where it's quiet, 48 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: and right now I'm like needing quiet. 49 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that though. 50 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 2: I love that our our prayer closet can change with 51 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 2: our circumstances. And they're all these different seasons of life, 52 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 2: you know, You've got different kinds of busy, different kinds 53 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 2: of just you know. 54 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 3: Seasons of your life. 55 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 2: And so I've had the prayer chair, I've had the 56 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 2: garage for a while was where I would go. This 57 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: was this was for a good season of having little kids, 58 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 2: not tiny, tiny, but like when they were little. I 59 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: just remember, I would The garage entrance was right off 60 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 2: of our kitchen and mudroom, and so if I just 61 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 2: needed some time like that alone time sometimes because even 62 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 2: the bathroom wasn't sacred, I would always get you know, 63 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 2: I wanted to be available if I was needed, so 64 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 2: you know, I would have a toddler toddling in or whatever. 65 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: But the garage I would step outside. It was close 66 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 2: enough to where the action was happening. If any of 67 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: my little kids needed me, it's fine, and it would 68 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 2: just be for a few minutes. But it was quiet, 69 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 2: like with a life of sensory overload with little kids, 70 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 2: the sensory overload is different, right, It's just like the 71 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 2: constant needs. And I just would step outside in the 72 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: garage for a minute. It was cool in the summer. 73 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,519 Speaker 2: We lived in Alaska. It was cool in the summer. 74 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 2: It would be warmer in the winter because it was heated, 75 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 2: and so we would I'd stand out there and I 76 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 2: would talk to God, sometimes out loud, sometimes crying, sometimes 77 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 2: under the guise of taking the trash out, and then 78 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 2: just not coming back for about five minutes, always with 79 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 2: an ear to the door. But it was just it 80 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 2: was so meaningful, like the garage. But I don't use 81 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: the garage anymore because I'm in a different season of life. 82 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 3: We've moved homes in states. 83 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, anyway, Yeah. 84 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 2: So tell us about your devotional. It's called This Feels 85 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 2: Like Home Inspirations for finding Peace. 86 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: What inspired you to write it? And who is this devotional? 87 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 3: For sure? 88 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate you saying that I stepped out out 89 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: of my comfort zone, because I very much stepped out 90 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: of my comfort zone to write this book. I'm not 91 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: an author by trade. I'm not a theologian. I don't 92 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 1: go to the seminary. I love listening to all of 93 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: those people but I'm not one of those people. I 94 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: am somebody who is high energy, high productivity, high anxiety, 95 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: highly exhausted. Yeah, it't easy living in the issues. So 96 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: I got to a point where I'm just I mean, 97 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: I'm always craving peace because of the way my personality works, 98 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: and I have to I'm desperate for it, and I 99 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: have to search for it. And so years ago I 100 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: started really searching for it. And I mean, gosh, nowadays, 101 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,239 Speaker 1: there's so many places they're telling us to look for peace, 102 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: and I've done it, and I've tried and books and 103 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: even my worship music that I love, even podcasts that 104 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: I really enjoy. I would be trying all of these 105 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: things and I would get pieces of it, but it 106 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: was fleeting. It would soon disappear. So I needed something 107 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: more concrete. So I started going to Bible studies and 108 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: reading more devotions and getting deeper in my own faith. 109 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: And really the devotion that I wrote is is somewhat 110 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: of a journal of my own life. It's where my 111 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: feelings meet Jesus, because I wanted a place to kind 112 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: of get out my feelings. I you know, the transition 113 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: of going from being a stay at home mom to 114 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: going back to work and feeling less needed. Those are 115 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: all real feelings. But I wanted a solution to the feelings, 116 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 1: and so for me, that was Jesus. And so going 117 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: into his word, going into the Bible and seeing what 118 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: did he say about feeling lonely lonely? What did he 119 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: say about feeling not needed? That gave me a piece 120 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: that just wouldn't go away. And it was a piece 121 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: I could carry with me. And so I'm the kind 122 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: of person where if I find something really cool, I 123 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: want everybody to know about it. And so if it's 124 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: a restaurant, or it's a movie or a book or 125 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: a feeling, I want others to feel it. I want 126 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: others to enjoy it. And so really I have gotten 127 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: my whole life has been changed because of my faith, 128 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: and I want others to feel that way. I want 129 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: others to know him and see him the way I have, 130 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: because He's just waiting there for all of us. So 131 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 1: that's really where it came from. And I'm not somebody 132 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: who's writing from a mountaintop an expert, so to speak. 133 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: I'm in the trenches with my readers, and I wanted 134 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: them to feel like that, Like this is a soft 135 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: place for me to land. This is you know. I 136 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: know you said who is it written for? I mean, really, 137 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: you could say anybody, because who's not looking for peace? 138 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: But specifically I wanted people who didn't think they were 139 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: good enough for Jesus. I wanted people who were confused 140 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: about Jesus. Maybe somebody who is a Christian is super 141 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: hard on themselves and thinks I gotta work harder for 142 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: him to love me. So I really I'm passionate about 143 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: everybody feeling like they have a place at his table, 144 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: because they do. I want this book to reach people 145 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: who maybe have never tried faith before, but they feel stuck, 146 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: They feel lonely, frustrated and broken, and I want this 147 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: to be a thing that they can come back to 148 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: again and again. Not because what I wrote is great, 149 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: but because He is great because of who he is. 150 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 3: I love that. That's wonderful, and it really comes across. 151 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 3: I love your writing. 152 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 2: You're just so warm and genuine and engaging. And yeah, 153 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: where did the title this Feels like Home come from? 154 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: Can you just share like what that means to you? 155 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: Sure it was a challenge to come up with the title, 156 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: and the publisher throws a lot of things that they 157 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: think would be good. But from the get go, like 158 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: right out of the gate, the cover is me sitting 159 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: on the chair in my family room. 160 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 3: That's your prayer chair. That's the prayer chair. 161 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: And so I wanted. Jesus is home for me. Jesus 162 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: is where I feel loved, included, accepted, forgiven, wanted. And 163 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: it's funny because I had a friend say to me 164 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: when I was kind of testing out titles on some 165 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: of my friends. I had a friend say, but Autumn, 166 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't grow up in a home that 167 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: was loving. Home for me isn't good. Like if you're 168 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: telling me this feels like home, then that to me 169 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: is like no thanks. And maybe even you're living in 170 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: a home now that feels chaotic and that word is 171 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: even like a trigger for you. But for me, the 172 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: idea of home isn't necessarily a physical place. It's more 173 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: of a feeling that you are fully known, but you're 174 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: fully loved, and fully known means all of it, the good, 175 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: the bag, the ugly, but you are still loved. Like 176 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: I just envision walking into a little cottage and there's 177 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,719 Speaker 1: a warm apple pie baking and it's cozy in there 178 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: and there's a fire, and there's somebody who takes my 179 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: face in his hands and says, Autumn, You're home. Like 180 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: it's the vision I get of how I feel when 181 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: I am spending time. 182 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 2: With Jesus, so so home as it always was meant 183 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 2: to be. I've got torn wells going through my end. 184 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 2: You know, fully known and fully loved by you. Do 185 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 2: you know that song that's one of my my favorite songs. 186 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it. That's great. 187 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 2: Well, there are a lot of ways that we can 188 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 2: address God, and this kind of goes along those same 189 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: lines of the title of the book. In the book, 190 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 2: you use the word father, and it was an intentional choice. 191 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 2: And I know there are some people that that's a 192 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 2: triggering word too. You know, my father can be triggering. 193 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 2: But how does what does that word mean to you 194 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 2: when you're addressing God? And do you use that all 195 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 2: the time? Is that kind of your go to or 196 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 2: just for this book? 197 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 3: For me? 198 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: Father is intimate, it's intimate, it's relational, it is, but 199 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 1: there's also a level of reference there in respect and awe, 200 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: which kind of encapsulates everything I feel about him. And 201 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: I had a friend who had read the book and 202 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: was reading some of my devotions reach out and said, Autumn, 203 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: can you help me understand it. I don't know a 204 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 1: lot about faith, but I see that you keep talking 205 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: about Jesus and not God, and your and your devotions 206 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: tell me about that. How can I understand that? And again, 207 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: it's it's the relational piece of it that we know 208 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: that Jesus is God with us, He is God, he 209 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: walked this earth. It's so personal, it's so intimate to me, 210 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: and when I'm praying, it just helps me, I guess, 211 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: close the gap a little bit, you know, I don't. 212 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: I don't think of God as a distant force. I 213 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: think of that He is right here with me, and 214 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: he's a father who loves me in every way that 215 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: a child can be loved, a father that we all 216 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: deserve and we all have in Jesus. So even if, 217 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: even if father is a trigger word for you, I 218 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: just so badly want people to know that you have 219 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: a father who checks all the boxes that you want 220 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: to have checked. 221 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 2: I love how you in the fact that it's intimate, 222 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 2: but it also is a title that conveys reverence, because 223 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 2: I think that's a balancing act that we all kind 224 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 2: of have to do. And I find myself at different 225 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 2: seasons of life kind of falling on one side or 226 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 2: the other. Sometimes I feel like I'm a little bit 227 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 2: too casual and a little bit too maybe presumptuous, and 228 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 2: I lose sight of some of the greatness and magnificence 229 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 2: and just awe inspiring bigness of God. And so then 230 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 2: I'll kind of go back to that side, and then 231 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 2: I'll say, well, you know, I don't. 232 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 3: Know, but it's both. 233 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 2: He's He's both and and that's what makes him incredible. 234 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 2: So I personally love Father. I use that a lot myself. 235 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 2: But I just thought it was really really interesting that 236 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 2: you chose that, and I. 237 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 3: Thought that was good. 238 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: And I think the father piece is also me surrendering. 239 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: It's you know, which goes back to the reverence and 240 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: that you're you're my boss, You're I want to make 241 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: you happy, I want to glorify you. So it's also 242 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: me right off the bat when I'm starting the prayer, 243 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,719 Speaker 1: and that's shifting importance to who it's about. So I 244 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: don't know, just another way to look at it. 245 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, And with both the title and that father address, 246 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 2: it's like, you know, Father as he was intended to 247 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 2: be to give a hope to people who don't, who 248 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 2: have broken families, who had a bad example of a 249 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 2: father figure, that they can know that they do have 250 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 2: that perfect father. 251 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: Yes. 252 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 2: So one of my favorite lines in the whole book was, Hey, Sis, 253 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 2: you are significant, but you aren't sovereign. And I think 254 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 2: we all need that gentle reminder once in a while. Well, 255 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 2: can you talk about some of your own struggles with 256 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 2: feeling anxious and trying to control outcomes and what that 257 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 2: looks like in your day to day because I know 258 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 2: we can all. 259 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: Almost can relate, but share your experience. This is really 260 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: big for me right now, and that statement of significant 261 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: but not sovereign can really be It can be taken 262 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: from phase to phase to phase, and it can mean 263 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: different things at each phase. I know when my kids 264 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: were a little bit younger, that to me meant you 265 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: can't control everything this child does. You can't design a 266 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: personality that's already been designed. It's hard to change that personality. 267 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: So it really had an effect on me during my 268 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: parenting where just it kept me in check. Now I've 269 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: shifted into just a really busy time in my life. 270 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: My kids are getting older, but I am wearing a 271 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: lot of hats. One may argue too many hats, and 272 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: I have to check myself because so many of the hats. 273 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, but wait, this is good. These are 274 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: good hats. These are hats that I'm trying to glorify 275 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: God and ministry and do all of these things. But 276 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: even Jesus had limits. Even Jesus withdrew to prey. He 277 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: went off to solitary places. He needed that, and I 278 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: feel like, thank God he modeled that for me. That 279 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:31,119 Speaker 1: a reminder that rest is okay, and then the reminder 280 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: that I am not divine, not suggesting I ever thought 281 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: I was, but to compare myself or think, if he 282 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: did it this way, I should do it this way, 283 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: trying to emulate him. Gosh, that's impossible. That's impossible to 284 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: emulate sovereignty because we're just not and so. And you're 285 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: going to find that if you're trying to do too much, 286 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: you'll feel it. You're going to be exhausted, which I 287 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: so often am just exhausted and anxious and overwhelmed because 288 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: I've put too much on my plate, thinking if I 289 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: don't do it, nobody else will you know? I have 290 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: some people in my life who are suffering from really 291 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: intense illness. And I have parents who are aging, I 292 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: have kids in the home who still need me. I 293 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: have a job. And this isn't a sob story. Most 294 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: most women have this. But the question is how do 295 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: you juggle all of that? And I think it's just 296 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: going back to that idea of surrender, of surrendering those 297 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: worries and recognizing your limitations. But it's not easy. It 298 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: is a daily struggle for me and something I have 299 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: not overcome. But I'm going to tell you what. It's 300 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,479 Speaker 1: what keeps me close to Jesus and keeps me desperate 301 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: for him because I can't do it every day. 302 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's the point, you know, It's 303 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 2: it's not whether or not we struggle. We're going to 304 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 2: struggle no matter what, but it's how we handle it. 305 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 2: It's who we go to. And I mean that kind 306 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 2: of takes us to our next question. You talk about 307 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 2: how like sometimes you slip into trying to be the 308 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 2: supreme power over the outcomes. So what do you do 309 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 2: when you catch yourself slipping into that? Like, what is 310 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 2: the first prayer that you pray to hand that sovereignty 311 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 2: back over to the one who deserves it and is 312 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 2: the only one who really can do anything about it. 313 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: It is. It's a wrestling match usually all day between 314 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: he and I, where I literally just kind of imagine 315 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: this tug of war where I'm like, no, I'm in control, 316 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: I've got this and I'm going to fix this and 317 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: I can't wait on you. And that's such a gosh, 318 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: it almost feels shameful to admit that that I am 319 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: thinking I can't wait on you. I know you have 320 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: a plan, but I need this done, Like how very 321 00:17:55,960 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: human and how very sinful. But in those moments, it's 322 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: usually a desperate plea of just Lord, take this, Lord, 323 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: take this, take this cup from me. Please, whatever your 324 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 1: will is, just do it. And sometimes I have to 325 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: say the words to feel it. Sometimes I have to 326 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: say out loud, Lord, I trust you, I trust you. 327 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: Help me with my unbelief, help me with my doubts, 328 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: because in the end, I feel like that's all anxiety 329 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 1: is is us. It's our doubt. It's our shade of 330 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: doubt that I mean, gosh, it's how Satan works. That's 331 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 1: what he's doing, coming in between us and God and 332 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: saying did God really say Autumn that he was gonna 333 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,239 Speaker 1: really take care of you. You really think he's got this? 334 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: Do you really think your kids are going to be okay? 335 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: And he loves them like he said, and he loves them. 336 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: It's the work of the enemy. And so just an 337 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 1: acknowledgment that I am significant to not sovereign, saying those words, 338 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: and then going back to how faithful he is just 339 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: looking at That's probably one of my biggest tools, is 340 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: not only the prayers and just submission to him, which 341 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: does not come easy for me, but looking at his 342 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: past faithfulness and thinking, I don't know if if you've 343 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: kept a prayer droner, you might have your listeners may 344 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: keep prayer journals. I kind of go in and out 345 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:33,959 Speaker 1: of that, but I'll tell you that when I have, 346 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,239 Speaker 1: there's such power there because then I can see it. 347 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 1: I can see on paper a point in my life 348 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: that was dire, that I was desperate, that I remember 349 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: looking at thinking, oh my gosh, I thought the world 350 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: was coming to an end that day, and it's gone, 351 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: it's gone, it's been lifted, and here I still sit 352 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: and seeing those patterns of his faithfulness. That's probably the 353 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: biggest tool that I have is just knowing that about 354 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: his character. 355 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent. 356 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 2: And I too go in and out of journaling depending 357 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 2: on what my focus is and how inspired I get. 358 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 2: And when I do like, I'll always kind of usually 359 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 2: I don't fill up the whole journal, so I'll go 360 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 2: back and kind of pick back up where I left off, 361 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 2: and I'll look at the last few pages, and then 362 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 2: I'll go back a little further, and I just my 363 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 2: favorite thing is reading where I was in that time 364 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 2: and whether I specifically wrote out a prayer or I 365 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 2: can just remember what my prayers were at that time, 366 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 2: and then to look back and think, wow, I didn't 367 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,959 Speaker 2: even realize that I had said that, or that I 368 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 2: thought that, But God did this, and or I'm pouring 369 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 2: my heart out on the page, Please God give me 370 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 2: direction for this, and I'm on the other side of 371 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,360 Speaker 2: it and think, so that's why, That's why I had 372 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 2: to wait, And I do. 373 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 3: I love that. 374 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 2: I think it's so powerful to look back. So I mean, 375 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 2: for the person listening who who has not had a 376 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 2: long relationship with God and who's just starting, what advice 377 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 2: would you have for her to establish that kind of 378 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 2: connection to begin a track record with God to meet 379 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 2: her where she is. 380 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: We'll just know that it's gosh, it's never too late. 381 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: It's never too late to start that relationship with Jesus. 382 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: And there is no shame there. Shame is not part 383 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: of Jesus's language. That's not what he speaks so much. 384 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: I would say, it's just I know this is going 385 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: to sound old fashioned. I know it's going to sound 386 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: like there's so many women who don't want to do it, 387 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: but the Bible, the Bible, getting to know. It's really 388 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: hard to trust somebody you don't know, and so I 389 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: know that sounds like for a lot of women too. Gosh, 390 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: that's exhausting the thing and adding another thing to my plate. 391 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: And I don't know what to do when I open 392 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: the Bible. But that is the living, breathing word of God. 393 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: It's alive, and the Holy Spirit will meet you there. 394 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 1: And the Holy Spirit's going to meet you no matter 395 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 1: where you are. And all you have to do is say, 396 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: I'm here, I'm here, speak, I want to listen to you, 397 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: I want to know you. And I even have friends 398 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: who they weren't raised in the faith and they want 399 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: to get started and they don't know what to do, 400 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: and they're overwhelmed by the Bible. And I always say, 401 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: if you want to get to know really the heart 402 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: and the character of God and who he is, look 403 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: to his son. And I would say that the Gospel 404 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: of Luke is the most amazing place to see your Savior, 405 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: a savior who loved hanging out with outcasts, who sought 406 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: out people who were different, who dealed patiently and lovingly 407 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: with people who had sinned big sin. It will show 408 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: you the God who stands beside you and just waits 409 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 1: for you. But we have to open the Bible. And 410 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 1: I know that sounds laborious and hard and just another thing, 411 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 1: but we just we have to. There's really no substitute. 412 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed, Agreed, Well, speaking of the Bible, one of 413 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 2: my favorite devotionals is I am Peter, And could you 414 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 2: just kind of recount that story and tell us how 415 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 2: you relate to that story. You've touched on it a 416 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 2: little bit, but how do you relate to his story? 417 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 2: And what can we learn specifically from him? 418 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: Sure? So, Peter was one of the disciples, and he 419 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: was ah gosh, for lack of a better term, sometimes 420 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 1: like spasy. He was super He was so passionate about Jesus. 421 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: He loved Jesus, no question about those feelings. But it's 422 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: like he would just kind of spaz out. Sometimes he 423 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: would be a little impulsive. He wouldn't think through exactly 424 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: what he was saying before he said it. I mean this, 425 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: this is a man who even kind of softly questions Jesus, 426 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: you know, Lord, you shouldn't have to suffer. I'm not 427 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 1: going to let you wash my feet. Can you make 428 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 1: me walk on water? He was just so human. He 429 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: was just so human, but God loved him and God 430 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: used him so for me personally, one of the big 431 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: things that Peter dealt with was the impulsivity and speaking out. 432 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: I'm the person who I know, I know the answer 433 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 1: I want to say, so I'm trying to work more 434 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: on listening and sitting back and being quiet. I also 435 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: struggle with pride, and Peter struggled with pride, even coming 436 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: on a podcast like this. I mean, shoot, I could 437 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: look totally stupid. I may look totally stupid. If you 438 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: don't look stupid, thanks appreciate that. Writing the book, I 439 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: mean anything where I am stepping out in faith, I 440 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: am hearing a constant voice that is saying you're not 441 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: worthy of this, you're not good enough for this, you 442 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: don't know enough to do this, And sometimes I let 443 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: pride get the best of me. So in that sense, 444 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: I feel very similar to how Peter was. But gosh, 445 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 1: you know, it's just Jesus is looking for Peters. He 446 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: is looking for the Peter out there to use him. 447 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 1: And the thing that never changed was his love of Jesus. 448 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: He had a constant love of Jesus, and he was 449 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: devoted to him, and he was passionate about him, and 450 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: God knew his heart. And so that's where some of 451 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: the similarities are. But gosh, there's we're all Peter in 452 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: the sense that we struggle with doubts and pride and 453 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: impulsivity and wanting to be the main guy or main 454 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: woman in something. So and look where he ended up, 455 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: you know, with who he was. Jesus saw something in 456 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 1: him and used him, and he became, you know, a 457 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: foundational part of the modern church. You know, he's he 458 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 1: was used in mighty ways, warts and all, and you 459 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 1: know we can do that. It's funny that you mention 460 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: the pride thing, because I only recently, like in the 461 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,719 Speaker 1: last few years connected the fact that I have a 462 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: really loud inner critic. I like self deprecate a lot 463 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: in my mind and sometimes to other people, and I'm 464 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 1: getting better at that. 465 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 3: But I only. 466 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 2: Fairly recently sort of connected the dots that that is 467 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 2: a symptom of pride, because you would think that that's 468 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 2: a symptom of oh, what a humble person to always 469 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 2: think the worst of themselves or hear this. But I 470 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 2: only recently was like that, the fact that I care 471 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 2: so much and that I'm doing this kind of preemptive 472 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 2: strike on myself. It's I want to maintain my pride 473 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 2: so that someone else can't take it from me. 474 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 3: It's a control thing, a pride. 475 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 2: It's just very interesting. But yeah, so I can very 476 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 2: much relate to that, and I can and I can 477 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 2: relate to the impulsivity as well of Peter and the 478 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 2: great intentions and then petering out so to speak, when 479 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 2: you and so, Yeah, I love him, and I'm just 480 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 2: so glad that you picked him. 481 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 3: That's that's I love that devotion. 482 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 2: So, if you could pick a favorite devotion, is it 483 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 2: like picking a favorite kid? 484 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 3: Can you pick one? 485 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: What would it be? From this book? So, I'd say 486 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 1: I'd probably pick the one that means the most to me, 487 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: that moved the needle the most in my life, and 488 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 1: that is when you realize God is all you have, 489 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: You realize God is all you need. And that is 490 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: a devotion that I wrote about the struggle my husband 491 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: and I went through with infertility. That was gosh. I 492 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: would still probably call that our greatest test and now 493 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: twenty years later, our greatest testimony. But that was something 494 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: that tried us to the depths. I had faith before 495 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 1: that happened. I didn't have a relationship with Jesus. It 496 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: was that far off, distant God kind of thing, and 497 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 1: going through that, Gosh, that tested our faith. It tested 498 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 1: our marriage. And those kinds of struggles are not fun. 499 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: You just want them to be over, and that one 500 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: lasted several years. But looking back at it, it's why 501 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: I am who I am today in my relationship with 502 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: Jesus because of that intense dark time, because I had 503 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: no place to go but to him. And I tell 504 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: the story about the scariest thing that I've ever had 505 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: to say, and that is so we went through one 506 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: round of in vitro and it totally failed. So they 507 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: got no eggs out, and we were told, you know, 508 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: move on to adoption or surrogate a donor or something 509 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: along those lines, and we weren't. We weren't ready for 510 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: that quite yet. So we went and got a second 511 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: opinion and we tried it again, knowing full well that 512 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: if this didn't work, we we couldn't afford to do 513 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: anything else. I remember the day of the egg retrieval, 514 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: laying on the bed and they go to give me 515 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: the medicine to put me to sleep, and I remember saying, 516 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: your will be done. Yeah, And that was one of 517 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: the scariest, hardest things that I have have said and 518 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: had to say, because I really didn't know. I really 519 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: didn't know how it was going to go. But that 520 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: for me was my day of surrender to him and 521 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,719 Speaker 1: talk about past faithfulness and looking at how he has 522 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: been faithful and just how he has moved through our 523 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: marriage and the and the dark times that we went through. 524 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: With that, there's no better example for me of the 525 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: God he is, and that I needed that time. And actually, 526 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: somebody the other day said to me, it's a gentleman 527 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: I work with and we work with kids. I work 528 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: at high school, and I always want to. And I'm 529 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: a resource teacher, so I always want to help these 530 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: kids understand the material. I was one of those kids 531 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: who had a hard time sometimes understanding the material. And 532 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: my supervisor is always telling us autumn, don't steal their struggle. 533 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: And that was just hearing that, don't steal their struggle. 534 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: I could apply that to so much in life. And 535 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: I look at that struggle that we had with infertility 536 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: and I think, gosh, if that was stolen from me. 537 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: We know that suffering produces perseverance, perseverance, character, character, hope. 538 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: The Bible tells us that God those are his words 539 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: to us. So if you're stealing the suffering, than really, 540 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: in the end, what you're stealing is hope. 541 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 3: Wow. 542 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: And so it really has opened my eyes to struggles 543 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: that I see. It goes back to that significant but 544 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: not sovereign. A friend who's terminally ill, you know, a 545 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: parent who's lonely, a child who is struggling socially. Don't 546 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: steal that struggle because that struggle is how I got 547 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: to where I am with God, and it's what's giving 548 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: me hope for my future. 549 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, that is my biggest struggle as a parent. 550 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 3: I would say is in my head. 551 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 2: I know that skirting that struggle and removing the struggle 552 00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 2: artificially from them without allowing them to go through it 553 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 2: is damaging in the long run. But it's so hard, 554 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:09,479 Speaker 2: and I will freely admit I steal it too much, 555 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 2: and I just pray all the time, God give me 556 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 2: the strength when I just remember even when they were little, 557 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 2: I remember discipline. So the verse that says no discipline 558 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 2: is pleasant at the time but painful, but it will 559 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 2: produce a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who 560 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 2: are trained up under it. And I would recite that 561 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 2: when I was putting my kids in time out or 562 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 2: giving them I just I hate conflict and I just 563 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 2: would go into it and I would recite that. 564 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 3: But not on their behalf, on my behalf. No discipline 565 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 3: is pleasant at the time. 566 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 2: But painful, but you have to remember, mom, it will 567 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 2: produce a harvest of righteousness and peace in this individual. 568 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 3: It's the best kind of love. 569 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 2: And when we experience that, as parents, like you said, 570 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 2: it just opens our eyes to why God allows us 571 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 2: to struggle and it doesn't. I mean, there are absolute 572 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 2: struggles like what you went through and what other people 573 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 2: go through of all different sorts that are unspeakably hard 574 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 2: and painful. And I don't want to minimize that in 575 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 2: any way or parallel it with time out, because it's 576 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 2: a little different there right right. But to be able 577 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 2: to view it, for you to look back, and to 578 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 2: be able to see it in its fullness and recognize 579 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 2: God's mercy on you by allowing you to struggle, is 580 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 2: hopefully helpful to someone who's going through a struggle right now, 581 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 2: who's in the middle of it and can't. 582 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: See the end right right, And that is it's such 583 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: a hard place to be and talking to somebody who 584 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: is in the middle of the struggle. I'm not gonna lie. 585 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: It's hard for me. It makes me uncomfortable. Yeah, I 586 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: hate seeing other people sad and hurting and struggling. I 587 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: want it to stop. But yeah, I have to remember 588 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: that God uses those those moments. 589 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 2: What is your biggest prayer challenge or prayer struggle? What 590 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 2: would you say in general? 591 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: Oh, gosh, thinking I don't need it. Yeah, thinking I 592 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 1: don't need it, Thinking I can do my day without it, 593 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 1: that I can overcome whatever it is that's going on 594 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: that day without it. But again, that's that's the enemy 595 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,720 Speaker 1: trying to just step right in between me and God 596 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: and create that space. I'd say the other thing is 597 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: probably I am not good at confessing my sins. So 598 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: I come into those prayers and I try to do 599 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: some praise at the beginning, and then I immediately rush 600 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: into what I need and I often forget to confess 601 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 1: what I've done. And what I'm learning is that confession 602 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 1: just reiterates how desperately I need him, and if I 603 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: don't see a need for him, I'm not going to 604 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: keep coming to him. And so that is something that 605 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: I'm trying to work on, is remembering even in the moment, 606 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 1: maybe if I know I've done something sinful right then 607 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 1: just to confess it. Because the more I remember how 608 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: much I fall short, I remember how great he is 609 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: and how I can't do any of this without him. 610 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, Alana and I started before our recording sessions, we 611 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 2: would do we would just have for a while we 612 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 2: were doing confession just like made it a practice. We've 613 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 2: kind of gotten away from it. We kind of go 614 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 2: back and forth with it, but for a while it 615 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 2: was really regular and it was incredible, like just just 616 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 2: knowing it was coming up because we would record on Mondays. 617 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 2: So like just knowing Monday was coming. It got to 618 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,439 Speaker 2: the point where throughout the week I became I'm more 619 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 2: aware of you know. I was like, okay, I'm going 620 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 2: to need something to say, so I know I'm not perfect. 621 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 3: What did I do? 622 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 2: And when you first start like I didn't really know 623 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 2: a whole lot, I'm like, I didn't kill anyone, I 624 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 2: didn't steal, I didn't lie. I don't think then you 625 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 2: but but you go back and you just realize attitudes 626 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 2: of your heart, the thoughts, the words, the actions, Like 627 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,919 Speaker 2: it starts becoming when you make it a regular part 628 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 2: of your time with God, or if you have a 629 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 2: prayer partner where you know that it's coming, where you're 630 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 2: going to be confessing. It's a little scary at first, 631 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 2: but it becomes so freeing because you start to realize, 632 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:48,240 Speaker 2: I don't know, there's an unburdening that happens when you confess. 633 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 2: It is like it feels like it's bringing something ugly 634 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 2: into the light so it can be dealt with and 635 00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 2: maybe even transformed and used for good. And yeah, so 636 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 2: so that is so interesting to me, And so would 637 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 2: you tell me just you can give me a brief, 638 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 2: but how did like what does that look. 639 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: Like when you guys get together and do it? Because 640 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,879 Speaker 1: I'm thinking could I do? First of all, I feel 641 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: like it would expose every vulnerability and again pride, Yeah, 642 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: like what did it look like when you did it? 643 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 2: So basically it'd be like, Okay, we're getting ready to record. 644 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 2: We usually we always prayed beforehand, but it was like, okay, 645 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 2: confession and I might say, you know what, my husband, Matt, 646 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 2: and I had a conversation and I became like kind 647 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 2: of like passive aggressive, and I really just wasn't wasn't 648 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 2: kind to him, and I played the victim and I 649 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 2: cried to get out of the conversation and nothing was 650 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:54,479 Speaker 2: really resolved. I you know, let my kid get away 651 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 2: with too much. I was not as disciplined. I had 652 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 2: committed to be more disciplined, but I avoided discipline because 653 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 2: I just wanted to watch TV instead and didn't want 654 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 2: to deal with it. Or I've been really dealing with 655 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 2: an issue of pride. I whatever, had this conversation with 656 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 2: someone and I found myself looking down on them, or 657 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 2: you know, things like that. Alana and I have been 658 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 2: friends for like over a decade, like almost fourteen years now, 659 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 2: I think thirteen years. So we kind of have gotten 660 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,320 Speaker 2: to the point where there's very little we won't talk about. 661 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,359 Speaker 2: And so it is comfortable. It's not comfortable. I won't 662 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 2: say it's comfortable. It can be very uncomfortable. 663 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: Right, But would it just be would would Alana respond 664 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,319 Speaker 1: to any of it? Or would you just confess it 665 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 1: and then she would confess it? Or was it? 666 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 3: It was pretty much. 667 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 2: I mean sometimes we have conversations just outside of recording 668 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:53,280 Speaker 2: and outside of work stuff that's just hey, this happened, 669 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 2: and we'll give each other feedback for those things. It 670 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,799 Speaker 2: was like, let me just confess this. It wasn't a back, 671 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,280 Speaker 2: you know, actually look at it this way. 672 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:03,839 Speaker 1: It was just this is it. 673 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,839 Speaker 2: And it was just a list basically, and I would 674 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 2: have it like I would have a list ahead of 675 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,839 Speaker 2: times so that I didn't go crazy with you know, 676 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 2: I'm not very concise. 677 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 1: Right right, And I'm sure there's a lot of repeat 678 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 1: offenders in there for most of us that it's a 679 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,760 Speaker 1: lot of the same things that we're doing over Yeah, 680 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: well we probably don't even. 681 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 3: Need trying to know. You just have the standards. 682 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,359 Speaker 2: Every week, I do this and this and this, and 683 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,320 Speaker 2: sometimes there was just one thing, other times there were several, 684 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 2: and sometimes there I just was like, I really can't 685 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 2: think of anything, and I'm not going to just make 686 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,879 Speaker 2: something up. You know. It's not that I didn't sin, 687 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 2: but there just wasn't anything that came to mind. And 688 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 2: that's okay too. But the hope in the in the 689 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,720 Speaker 2: prayer is that God would start to kind of open 690 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 2: our eyes to the things because I lie to myself sometimes. Well, 691 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 2: like I said, with just realizing that my self deprecation 692 00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 2: has roots and pride and wanting to yeah anyway, that 693 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,800 Speaker 2: that is something that I kind of sort of self 694 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,359 Speaker 2: deceived for a long time, and so I think that 695 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 2: it's it's just kind of a process of asking God 696 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,320 Speaker 2: to reveal the things that we're even kind of hiding 697 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 2: from ourselves. 698 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,839 Speaker 1: So right, just yeah, I'm seeing it out loud. I 699 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 1: love that. Thanks for sharing that. That was yeah phrase 700 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:23,959 Speaker 1: how it looks? Yeah? 701 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. What do you love most about prayer? 702 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 1: Feeling close to God? It's the I am a deeply 703 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:39,319 Speaker 1: relational person that to me is the closest I'm going 704 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 1: to get to Him on this side of heaven. So 705 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,799 Speaker 1: you know, taking that time to just commune with him 706 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 1: and talk to him and share with him. That's where 707 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 1: the relationship peace comes in. Just like any relationship, if 708 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: you don't talk to the person, if you don't give 709 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,080 Speaker 1: it time, it's it's going to kind of fade away. 710 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,319 Speaker 1: So but for me, it is circling back to what 711 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 1: we talked to at the beginning and going running to 712 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 1: my dad, running home to my dad who's sitting there 713 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,920 Speaker 1: and wants to listen and wants to comfort. 714 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 3: You know. 715 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 1: And I think it's a powerful thing. I mean, prayer 716 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 1: is just all just so powerful altogether. But when you're 717 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:29,279 Speaker 1: asking also, I love asking my friends if they will 718 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 1: pray for me, Let's pray for one another. I think 719 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: that is just such. I mean, even if somebody asked me, 720 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 1: how can I pray for you? There's nothing more powerful 721 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,279 Speaker 1: than that to me, and nothing more intimate than that. 722 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,400 Speaker 1: So I would I would say just that the intimacy 723 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,319 Speaker 1: of the whole thing, the relationship piece of it. 724 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 2: I just wonder if there is someone listening who's surprised 725 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,479 Speaker 2: because they have always viewed prayer as asking for things 726 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 2: on a list and checking boxes, because I know I've 727 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 2: been there for two and but just I love the 728 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 2: way you expressed that, because I just feel like. 729 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 3: That is the reward. 730 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,000 Speaker 2: You know, we're so reward driven as people, you know, 731 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,719 Speaker 2: as just we're programmed to and some of it is 732 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 2: very good and survival related, you know, but we're programmed 733 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 2: to keep doing the things that give us a natural reward. 734 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,759 Speaker 2: And if you're viewing prayer as just an obligation and 735 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,319 Speaker 2: something that you're supposed to do, but you're missing out 736 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 2: on the experience of connecting with God. I mean, I 737 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 2: will say all day long, discipline is important in our 738 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,200 Speaker 2: Christian walk in general. But if it's all discipline and 739 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,480 Speaker 2: we take the joy and the connection and the relationship 740 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 2: out of it, then we're missing a huge piece of it. 741 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,799 Speaker 2: And so you know, I always like to look at 742 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,439 Speaker 2: it as it takes discipline sometimes to make that time 743 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 2: and to do the praying. But I just hope everyone 744 00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:01,799 Speaker 2: knows like what you're saying about. Once you do, it's 745 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,239 Speaker 2: so worth it. When you connect with God, who is 746 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,880 Speaker 2: this creator of the universe that chose not to be 747 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,440 Speaker 2: a distant God. He chose to involve us and love 748 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:15,080 Speaker 2: us and adopt us as children, it's just incredible. 749 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,480 Speaker 1: So thank you for sharing that and it doesn't have 750 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,600 Speaker 1: to be formal, it doesn't have to be an I mean, gosh, 751 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,319 Speaker 1: if you don't know how to pray and you don't 752 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,200 Speaker 1: know what to pray, you could even just pray the 753 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 1: Lord's prayer. It's not even it's not aust the Lord's prayer, 754 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,800 Speaker 1: it's how he told us to pray. I have friends 755 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,560 Speaker 1: who say, I don't really know what to say. I'm like, 756 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,799 Speaker 1: if you if you know that, say that, that's that's 757 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 1: great and all. If all you have is help or Lord, 758 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,920 Speaker 1: I don't know what to do, He's not he's not picky. 759 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,839 Speaker 1: He just wants you to talk to him. Yeah, So 760 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,760 Speaker 1: to to take those expectations for prayer off the table 761 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,760 Speaker 1: that the world has put on you. Those are aren't 762 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,719 Speaker 1: expectations that God has put on you. God wants to 763 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 1: talk to you. He doesn't care how you talk. He 764 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,920 Speaker 1: just wants you absolutely. 765 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for this. Can you tell 766 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,480 Speaker 2: our listeners where they can find your devotional, where they 767 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,080 Speaker 2: can connect with you online and social media. 768 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:16,160 Speaker 1: Sure, the devotion can be bought anywhere online where books 769 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,919 Speaker 1: are sold, Amazon, Target, Barnes, and Noble. You can find 770 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,759 Speaker 1: it on there. And I have a website autumnshecked dot 771 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,440 Speaker 1: com where I write weekly devotionals. So I'm still writing 772 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,319 Speaker 1: the devotionals every Wednesday. You can subscribe it's free if 773 00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:32,799 Speaker 1: you want, or you can just go on and read 774 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,879 Speaker 1: them whenever you want. There's a whole bank off I'm 775 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,479 Speaker 1: on there, and then I'm also on Instagram Autumn check 776 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:44,200 Speaker 1: and just also that's just a faithful profile that I 777 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,920 Speaker 1: have there, just dropping little little pieces of love from 778 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:48,880 Speaker 1: Jesus in there. 779 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,640 Speaker 2: Wonderful. Thank you so much. Well, how can we pray 780 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,360 Speaker 2: for you today? I'm going to close us in prayer? 781 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,600 Speaker 1: First of all, thanks for asking Gosh, you know, how 782 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,840 Speaker 1: about just that God will open my eyes to how 783 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,880 Speaker 1: he wants to best use me. And that's in the 784 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:12,600 Speaker 1: conversations that I'm in in just my daily life. That 785 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,000 Speaker 1: I can just be doing all things to glorify Him 786 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:20,600 Speaker 1: and remember that I can't do everything, to lean on 787 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,600 Speaker 1: Him to do everything, and my job is to trust 788 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,040 Speaker 1: Him so that I can keep that up. And I 789 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,600 Speaker 1: have big transitions coming up. My daughter's going to graduate 790 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,000 Speaker 1: in May and she's headed off to the University of 791 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,760 Speaker 1: Texas next year. So I would love just a blessing 792 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,640 Speaker 1: on that transition, that that that will go smooth. 793 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,360 Speaker 2: Yes, will absolutely be praying for that. All right, Well, Autumn, 794 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,719 Speaker 2: thank you for joining us, thanks for being here and 795 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,200 Speaker 2: so much thank you for your words. Yeah, I'm really 796 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:57,799 Speaker 2: really excited to share this allan you. Let's pray God, 797 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:02,360 Speaker 2: thank you so much for Autumn. Thank you for the 798 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:09,960 Speaker 2: beautiful devotional that is just so relational and personal and encouraging. Lord, 799 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,879 Speaker 2: we just pray that it would continue to go out 800 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,640 Speaker 2: to even more people than Autumn could ever have asked 801 00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:20,360 Speaker 2: or imagined, that people would meet Jesus in the pages 802 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:25,480 Speaker 2: there and would find hope and would find encouragement and 803 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:26,239 Speaker 2: just a. 804 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:26,880 Speaker 1: Lot of joy. 805 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,960 Speaker 2: And we just lift her up with all of the 806 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,240 Speaker 2: many hats she wears, and we just pray for your 807 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,920 Speaker 2: just complete guidance and direction. I just think of the 808 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,799 Speaker 2: scripture that says, and you know, as you walk, and 809 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,760 Speaker 2: as you turn to the left or to the right, 810 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,400 Speaker 2: you'll hear a voice behind you saying this is the 811 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:46,440 Speaker 2: way walk in it. 812 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:47,640 Speaker 3: I just pray that for her. 813 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,480 Speaker 2: We just ask that she would hear your voice very clearly, 814 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:56,719 Speaker 2: that her ears would be attuned specifically to the frequency 815 00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,120 Speaker 2: of your voice, and that all of the rest would 816 00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,719 Speaker 2: kind of fade into static, and that she would be directed, 817 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,400 Speaker 2: that she would be equipped for every good purpose you 818 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,440 Speaker 2: have for her, that she would have clarity, that she 819 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:13,000 Speaker 2: would be willing and ready to let go of the 820 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,400 Speaker 2: things that need letting go, and that she would just 821 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,600 Speaker 2: grab hold of with everything she has, the things that 822 00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,400 Speaker 2: are your absolute. 823 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:20,480 Speaker 3: Best for her. 824 00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,719 Speaker 2: We do pray for the transition coming up with her 825 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,759 Speaker 2: daughter going to school. I know how that can be. 826 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,080 Speaker 2: I just pray for her heart and just for her, 827 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,160 Speaker 2: just for her mind and her spirit to be just 828 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,440 Speaker 2: filled with peace and hope and expectation in knowing that 829 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,160 Speaker 2: you love her daughter even more dearly than she ever could, 830 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,440 Speaker 2: and that you have her firmly in your hands. And 831 00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,600 Speaker 2: we just pray that that transition would go smoothly, and 832 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,759 Speaker 2: that there would be some really sweet time in the 833 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,600 Speaker 2: time leading up to her going to college, that even 834 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,200 Speaker 2: now you would be preparing people there that would point 835 00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,399 Speaker 2: her to you, that would pour into her and just 836 00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,279 Speaker 2: bless her. And we just pray for every detail ill 837 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,759 Speaker 2: to even now be falling into place for that, And 838 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,359 Speaker 2: as always we just pray that you would be glorified 839 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,759 Speaker 2: in her and through her and in her family and 840 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,520 Speaker 2: that you'd rain blessings down on their home and their. 841 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,120 Speaker 3: Family in Jesus name. Amen. 842 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:14,960 Speaker 1: Amen. 843 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,839 Speaker 2: We'd like to take just a quick second to thank 844 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,319 Speaker 2: the team at life Audio for their partnership with us 845 00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,600 Speaker 2: on the podcast. If you go to lifeaudio dot com, 846 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,120 Speaker 2: you will find dozens of other faith centered podcasts in 847 00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:33,120 Speaker 2: their network. 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