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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's podcast sponsored by Hillsdale College, All Things

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Speaker 2: A very good day to you all. It is Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: the fourth of March, and we join you from Texas.

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Speaker 2: Hugh is out today and the talk show gods are smiling.

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Speaker 2: There are all kinds of things going on around the world. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: I think you know why they call it the Department

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Speaker 2: of War, now, don't you. Defense was lovely, Defense is

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Speaker 2: part of the gig. But when it's time for war,

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Speaker 2: you need a Department of War, and boy do we

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Speaker 2: have one. So we're going to talk about various trouble

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Speaker 2: spots around the world, talk about various conflicts, including one

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Speaker 2: of the ones that we may be about to have

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Speaker 2: right here in my state of Texas. Listen, We've got

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Speaker 2: all kinds of things going on, a big slate of guests,

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Speaker 2: all kinds of people to talk to. We stand in

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Speaker 2: this war effort at a critical juncture. It's always a

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Speaker 2: critical juncture. But what we have right now is people

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Speaker 2: in a media culture and people in Democrat culture, which

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Speaker 2: may be an oxymoron, who actively want America to fail.

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Speaker 2: And what exactly are we to make of that? What

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Speaker 2: exactly what I've reflected with people about this, I've thought

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Speaker 2: about it in my own mind. What do I want

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Speaker 2: of the Democrat Party? When a Republican president and the

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Speaker 2: military that is at his command as commander in chief,

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Speaker 2: when they are going about an operation that they disagree with,

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Speaker 2: they are completely entitled to their disagreement. Their free speech rights,

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Speaker 2: their First Amendment rights give them the latitude to speak

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Speaker 2: up about that. But just because you can do something

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean you should do something. And I just have

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Speaker 2: to tell you that if the tides were turned, I

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Speaker 2: always try to be mister consistency on this. If a

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Speaker 2: Democrat president we're going about deploying American troops in some

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Speaker 2: way that I don't approve of, well, first of all,

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Speaker 2: I'm a media guy. We talk for a living, so

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Speaker 2: I would have an opinion or two. But if I

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Speaker 2: were in actual Congress, I don't think I could bring

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Speaker 2: myself to be part of a war powers resolution to

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Speaker 2: instantly interrupt something that was just days underway unless and again,

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Speaker 2: it's not apples and apples. This is a Trump operation.

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Speaker 2: It's completely well founded, it is completely justified, it is

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Speaker 2: completely sensible, and that doesn't mean everybody has to like it,

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Speaker 2: but there's a solid foundation for it. I suppose in

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Speaker 2: my imagination I could envision a Democrat president doing something

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Speaker 2: that I just thought was horribly reckless, which they say

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Speaker 2: they do about this, but they're just provably wrong, and

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Speaker 2: they've proven it by their own rhetoric. Over the years,

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Speaker 2: you have Democrat after Democrat after Democrat, and Trump hating

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Speaker 2: Republican after Trump hating Republican who has said many, many,

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Speaker 2: many times, the Iranian leadership has to go. It is

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Speaker 2: good for the Iranian people, have self determination. The world

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Speaker 2: will be a safer place when the Mullahs are replaced

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Speaker 2: in Iran. So now we're doing that, and so what's

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Speaker 2: the problem. The problem is Trump did it. The problem

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Speaker 2: is that Trump did it an Orange man bad, Orange

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Speaker 2: man bad. And when that is guiding your thinking, When

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Speaker 2: something that you know in your heart and in your

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Speaker 2: it is time to look in the mirror. It is

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Speaker 2: time to check yourself and just think a second and

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Speaker 2: third time. So we have all of this laid out

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Speaker 2: before us, and meanwhile, in the actual war zone, we

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Speaker 2: an Iranian boat with a submarine? First time since World

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Speaker 2: War Two? We're doing all It's funny because in a way,

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Speaker 2: this modern era of warfare is a very modern era

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Speaker 2: of warfare. So many drones, and I know a lot

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Speaker 2: of people are saying, you know, the war's never have

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Speaker 2: been one with pure just with air superiority. That's true,

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Speaker 2: meaning in the old world that at some point you

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Speaker 2: I don't know that that is. I don't know that

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Speaker 2: haven't we all read forty seven articles that say that

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Speaker 2: drone warfare it's not going to supplant and completely replace

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Speaker 2: long list of strategic things that we are able to

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Speaker 2: Epic Fury. Can we maybe have it's just excuse me

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Speaker 2: for a minute, can we can we maybe not urinate

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Speaker 2: on that for just a little bit? Can get if

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Speaker 2: you're if you're dead, Listen if any Democrat says, I've

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Speaker 2: You know, I hope for it to succeed. I pray

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Speaker 2: for it to succeed, but I don't think it will.

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Speaker 2: You know, orange man bead Trump's doing it. He's a liar,

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Speaker 2: he's an income poop, he is corrupt because he's doing it.

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Speaker 2: I just know it's going to be terrible. Hakeem Jeffries

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Speaker 2: the other day, dragging us into war that is doomed

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Speaker 2: to fail, doomed to fail. Is that what an American says,

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Speaker 2: with our armed forces on the ground, in the air,

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Speaker 2: with our armed forces deployed, is that what an American

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Speaker 2: Pete hegseth this morning, let's do this. I got a

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Speaker 2: couple of highlights about what's going on here. In Texas

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Speaker 2: Cornyn and Paxton, and I got to tell you something

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Speaker 2: Trump may be about to make an endorsement. I'll tell

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Speaker 2: you it's who it's likely to be. No matter who

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Speaker 2: it is, it's going to be an earthquake. We don't

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Speaker 2: have earthquakes in Texas, but for this, we're going to

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Speaker 2: come close. Because no matter whom Trump would endorse and

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Speaker 2: know how that's going to go, so we'll see. But anyway,

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Speaker 2: I believe it was cut twelve. Dwayne has a moment

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Speaker 2: of pete hegseth this morning at the Department of War.

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Speaker 3: I get it.

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Speaker 4: The press only wants to make the president look bad,

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Speaker 4: but try for once to report the reality. The terms

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Speaker 4: of this war will be set by us at every step.

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Speaker 4: As I said Monday, the mission.

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Speaker 2: Is laser focused.

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Speaker 4: Obliterate Iran's missiles and drones and facilities that produce them,

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Speaker 4: annihilate its navy and critical security infrastructure, and sever their

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Speaker 4: pathway to nuclear weapons. Iran will never possess a nuclear bomb,

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Speaker 4: not on our watch, not ever. And this is why

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Speaker 4: President Trump's moral clarity and Iran today is so vital.

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Speaker 4: Unlike the past, where vague redlines and endless negotiations let

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Speaker 4: this president sees the threat plainly, enacts decisively. No more

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Speaker 4: the price. His leadership ensures that we finish what we start,

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Speaker 4: through months of relentless preparation, are unstoppable, and our defensive

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Speaker 2: So that line at the beginning of Secretary Hegseth saying,

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Speaker 2: I know what happens in the media. You know, if

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Speaker 2: page news. This led Caitlin Collins, so get ready of

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Speaker 2: CNN to ask Caroline Levitt, is it the position of

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Speaker 2: this White House that we're not supposed to cover, you know,

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Speaker 2: troop deaths. And they went back and forth for a

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Speaker 2: We're not doing it to dishonor them. Yes, you are

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Speaker 2: a hostile media culture and a hostile Democrat party is

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Speaker 2: holding up these six precious lives that we've lost, and

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Speaker 2: there will be more, I'll tell you there will be more.

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Speaker 2: And they are using them to weaponize the war effort

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Speaker 2: against the president. And of course they lift these these

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Speaker 2: the way that you and I might not as heroes

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Speaker 2: for a good cause, for a noble cause, for a

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Speaker 2: just war. The left holds up these names as people

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Speaker 2: poor people. They bravely and courageously withstood the orders of

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Speaker 2: an insane president. So spare me the triangulations from CNN

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Speaker 2: and Caitlin Collins. All right, with about like a minute here,

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Speaker 2: it's going to be Corning and Paxton, and a runoff

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Speaker 2: won't be determined until May twenty sixth. Paxton has the

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Speaker 2: inside track at the moment because it is the more

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Speaker 2: MAGA friendly conservative voters that tend to come back for

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Speaker 2: the runoff. And they finished like forty two to forty one,

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Speaker 2: Wesley Hunt way behind there may be a Trump endorsement,

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Speaker 2: and it may be Cornyn. I mean, the news is

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Speaker 2: Of course it would. Is it Cornyn's only chance of

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Speaker 2: a major alienation in Trump's Texas Paxton loving base? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Is he aware of that? I don't know. That's just

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Speaker 2: a little of what's going on. You could say, some

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Speaker 2: things are happening. Mark Davison for Hugh Hewett, and we

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Speaker 2: are chronicling it all on the Wednesday Hugh Hewitt Show.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for being here on the Salem News Channel along

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Speaker 2: Salem Radio Network. It's the Hugh Hewitt Show for this Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: the fourth of March. Mark Davis filling in. I mentioned

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Speaker 2: that we have a whole lot of talented people to

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Speaker 2: and they don't get any smarter or more valuable than

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Speaker 2: a gentleman I've been reading for a long long time

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Speaker 2: with a new gig. It's Joel Pollock, who now on

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Speaker 2: the business card, says opinion editor at the California Post.

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Speaker 2: We'll have to ask Joel what that is for those

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Speaker 2: who are not blessed to know. But meanwhile, it's just

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Speaker 2: great to talk to you again, Joel. Welcome. How you doing.

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Speaker 5: Great, It's good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: It is nice to have you. So we're almost a

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Speaker 2: week into this whole epic fury thing. How do you

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Speaker 2: think it's going over there? And how do you think

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Speaker 2: it's going over here?

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Speaker 5: Well, it's too early to tell.

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Speaker 6: The real test will be what happens in the rebuilding effort,

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Speaker 6: because I do think the Iranian regime will eventually fall,

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Speaker 6: and then the.

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Speaker 5: Question is what replaces it. That's always been the tricky part.

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Speaker 6: We are, of course, much better than we were at

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Speaker 6: knocking over these regimes. The Maduro replacement, if you will,

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Speaker 6: was an example of really pinpoint attention to that.

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Speaker 7: But George W.

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Speaker 6: Bush was pretty good at knocking over dictatorship. She just

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Speaker 6: wasn't that good at rebuilding societies. And Trump is not

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Speaker 6: interested in nation building. So what happens next that's really

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Speaker 6: the puzzle. But so far, from a military perspective, it

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Speaker 6: has been a stunning success. Of course, there are about

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Speaker 6: half a dozen American soldiers who've lost their lives, and

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Speaker 6: more have been wounded by Iranian missiles.

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Speaker 7: We lost three.

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Speaker 6: Aircraft to friendly fire from our Kuwaiti allies. So all

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Speaker 6: avoided in future. But thus far, militarily it has been

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Speaker 6: a stunning success. And also I think in the broader

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Speaker 6: geostrategic picture of things, I think this is a major

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Speaker 6: blow to Russia, which gets its drones from Iran. It's

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Speaker 6: also a blow to China, which gets its oil from Iran.

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Speaker 6: So President Trump may be resetting the global chessboard in

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Speaker 2: God Trump one, Thank God Trump one, Thank God Trump won.

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Speaker 2: Mark Davison for you, Salem News Channel, Salem Radio Network,

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Speaker 2: Operation epicy Fury is like one subject with twelve different

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Speaker 2: Pleasure to me, Jehi, Mark Davison for.

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Speaker 3: You, Good day to Mark, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: My absolute pleasure. With a place that bears of Ronald Reagan,

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Speaker 10: Well, peace through strength is fundamentally built upon the notion

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Speaker 11: In President Reagan's.

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Speaker 10: Well, I think what you heard for decade plus after

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Speaker 10: And as you alluded to, Iran has been at war

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Speaker 11: In other words, there was really no choice.

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Speaker 10: It was trying to use Iraq to paralyze our foreign policy.

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Speaker 11: Without sort of being bogged down in an endless conflict.

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Speaker 2: That is superbly put because somewhere between isolationism and quagmire,

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Speaker 2: with us, and thanks for everything you do at the

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Speaker 2: Reagan Institute, at Reagan Institute on X and at Roger

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Speaker 2: Zachheim zakhg. I am there on X. So just check

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Speaker 2: all those good people on keeping the name, the concept,

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Speaker 2: the beliefs of Reagan alive. If you want to start

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Speaker 2: a conversation, what would Reagan think of Trump? If Reagan's

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Speaker 2: walking around today? And I can't pretend to know a

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Speaker 2: detailed answer of that, but I'm old enough to remember

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Speaker 2: Reagan with clarity and still coherent enough to understand what's

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Speaker 2: going on with Trump. Are there stylistic differences, to be sure,

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Speaker 2: but as far as the goal overlap, I think I've

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Speaker 2: used ven diagram like three times just in his first hour,

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Speaker 2: the ven diagram of overlap between Reaganism and trump Ism,

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Speaker 2: peace through strength, making sure that our foreign policy is

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Speaker 2: something that involves American interests first. And that doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: America only. It means domestically and internationally doing things that

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Speaker 2: benefit the what we now have roughly three hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty million Americans. Right, we are underway, and glad you

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Speaker 2: are here on the u U Show. Mark Davis filling

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Speaker 2: in from DFW here on Salem News Channel, Salem Radio Network,

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Speaker 2: and we will be right back. It is the u

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Speaker 2: UH Show. It is the second hour on this Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: the fourth day of March. Glad you are here keeping

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Speaker 2: track of a number of things in a number of places.

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Speaker 2: Obviously we have things to cover, continue to cover, and

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Speaker 2: we're going to with regard to the warfront and what's

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Speaker 2: going on on the Home front and the Middle Eastern Front.

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Speaker 2: But also just before, in the two hours before we're done,

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Speaker 2: President Trump has been hosting an energy round table and

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Speaker 2: we played a little clip of him talking about the

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Speaker 2: latest from Iran. And obviously we're very Iran heavy, very

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Speaker 2: heavy on the the portions of news that are coming

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Speaker 2: from that. But we may here on the day after

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Speaker 2: what I gave you a little bit of a lesson

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Speaker 2: about here in my state of Texas, about the corn

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Speaker 2: versus Paxton race, Trump may be about to endorse Cornan

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Speaker 2: and that will be uplifting to the corn fan base,

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Speaker 2: It will be dispiriting to the Paxton fan base. It

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Speaker 2: will be alienating to I want to say, the majority

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Speaker 2: of Trump voters in Texas. And he either I don't

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Speaker 2: want to say he doesn't care about that. Everybody cares

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Speaker 2: about everything. But there are no solutions in life. There

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Speaker 2: are trade offs. And if Trump is willing to do this,

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Speaker 2: he obviously believes that Cornyn will be every bit the

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Speaker 2: loyal soldier that he has been so far in Trump

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Speaker 2: two point zero. And we'll see how that works out.

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Speaker 2: But we're seeing how a lot of things work out.

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Speaker 2: Let's see how things are working out over at the

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Speaker 2: Strauss Center of the Strouss Center for International Security and Law.

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Speaker 2: Simone Ledeen is there, Simone Mark Davison for you, welcome.

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Speaker 2: It's so nice to talk to you.

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Speaker 8: Hi.

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Speaker 3: Hi.

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Speaker 12: Thanks, it's great to talk to you as well.

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Speaker 2: I've been taking a look at various things that you've

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Speaker 2: been tweeting and the things that you've been putting up there,

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Speaker 2: and a Newsmax appearance on various things. I like to

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Speaker 2: ask a very quite literally, as we're bombing people thirty

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Speaker 2: thousand foot level question of your assessment of these opening

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Speaker 2: days of Operation Epic Fury through the lens of your

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Speaker 2: daily pursuit of stories that are of interest to you.

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Speaker 13: Sure well. I had the privilege of serving in the

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Speaker 13: first Trump administration as the deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense,

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Speaker 13: so I have a sort of a particular.

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Speaker 12: Lens through which I'm looking at all this. I find this.

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Speaker 13: I find these opening days of this campaign to be remarkable,

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Speaker 13: remarkably successful. I'm so impressed by our military and our

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Speaker 13: partnership with the Israeli military and what they're accomplishing. I

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Speaker 13: think I was listening before the show to the press

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Speaker 13: conference that Secretary Heigseth and General Kane gave earlier today

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Speaker 13: talking about the particulars of this military campaign and how

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Speaker 13: really they've been focused these last few days on taking

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Speaker 13: out the immediate threat of the ballistic.

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Speaker 12: Missiles and also these one way drones.

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Speaker 13: Which both of which have the attacks have reduced significantly.

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Speaker 13: I think they gave percentages that were everything above fifty percent.

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Speaker 13: Everything's been reduced over fifty percent, which is fantastic. That's

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Speaker 13: what's been killing people across the region. So now, given

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Speaker 13: they've mostly removed that threat, and certainly the air and

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Speaker 13: missile defense on the Iranian side has been taken out

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Speaker 13: to a very large degree, they're expanding their operation. They're

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Speaker 13: expanding their campaign to now include not just stand off munitions,

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Speaker 13: but munitions that they can drop from overhead.

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Speaker 12: They don't have to be.

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Speaker 13: A long distance away, and that will really be helpful

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Speaker 13: in increasing the you know how precise these munitions can be.

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Speaker 13: These are very precise munitions. Now the standoff ones are

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Speaker 13: a little less sometimes, so that also reduces the risk

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Speaker 13: of civilian casualties, which is incredibly important in this type

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Speaker 13: of a campaign where our government wants to encourage and

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Speaker 13: they have said publicly they're encouraging the Iranian people to

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Speaker 13: eventually rise up against the regime.

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Speaker 2: That would be the best scenario, and the likelihood of

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Speaker 2: that a week or two ago is probably close to zero.

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Speaker 2: The likelihood of it now is exponentially greater. What do

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Speaker 2: you think, especially with Pentagon service in your background, what

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Speaker 2: kind of flexibility might the President and Secretary Hegseth need

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Speaker 2: on the four or five week time frame they put out.

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Speaker 2: As soon as I heard that, I started to take

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Speaker 2: calls on my own show from people saying, is that

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Speaker 2: a commitment that we're totally done in four or five weeks?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not, That's not the way war goes. Give us

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Speaker 2: some of your thoughts about that. It's the oldest quote

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Speaker 2: in the world that no battle plan ever survives the

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Speaker 2: actual battlefield. So your thoughts about I'm not asking you

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Speaker 2: how long it might go, but just your thoughts about

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Speaker 2: when people make estimates on how long it might go.

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Speaker 13: Sure, I am absolutely not a I don't like to

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Speaker 13: predict those things. Sorry, sorry to you in the audience.

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Speaker 13: I think that they are hoping for four to five weeks,

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Speaker 13: and that is what the plan is. But as you say,

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Speaker 13: plans change. I have heard a number of folks I'm

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Speaker 13: sure you have two saying it's going faster than we thought.

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Speaker 13: I think that was Secretary Ruby who said that yesterday.

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Speaker 13: That's great if true, that's that's fantastic. There's also you know,

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Speaker 13: there's also something called military deception, which plays a role

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Speaker 13: in war and and we're seeing that as well. There

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Speaker 13: was a video shared on social media yesterday of I

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Speaker 13: don't know if it was US or the Israelis bombed

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Speaker 13: what we thought was a helicopter, but it was actually

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Speaker 13: the shadow of a helicopter painted into the ground. These

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Speaker 13: are things that militaries do. Uh, that's pretty common actually.

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Speaker 12: Uh, So they'll they'll be more of that.

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Speaker 13: Assessments that are made from the United States and from Israel,

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Speaker 13: from from you know, outside of Iran will change once

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Speaker 13: once we get closer and we're able to see what

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Speaker 13: we were right about, what we were not right about.

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Speaker 12: And the enemy also is not destroyed right now. They're shifting.

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Speaker 12: They're clever and uh and we're seeing.

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Speaker 13: Them protect different sites, protect move certain things and certain

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Speaker 13: people to other locations.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 12: And we'll see how that how that plays out.

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Speaker 13: I've seen reporting I haven't seen it validated yet, but

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Speaker 13: I've seen reporting that the some regime elements have been

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Speaker 13: moving to schools and to hospitals. That's we saw Hamas

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Speaker 13: doing that during the guys of war with Israel.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 13: And this is something that you know, the Iranian regime

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Speaker 13: is a terrorist regime.

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Speaker 12: I don't need to tell you.

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Speaker 13: So the terrorists are are This is one of the

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Speaker 13: things that they do. They want to drive draw fire

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Speaker 13: to civilian location so then they can turn around and say, oh,

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Speaker 13: look at the evil Americans.

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Speaker 12: You know, bomb to school, bomb to hospital.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 13: You know, it just happened to be their new headquarters

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Speaker 13: for their military operations.

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Speaker 12: But let's leave that part out of the announcement.

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Speaker 13: So that's that's something that unfortunately, uh is I'm sure

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Speaker 13: that our leaders have planned for that.

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Speaker 12: Uh, just like I'm sure that our leaders have planned

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Speaker 12: for the day after.

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Speaker 13: I know a lot of a lot of us are

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Speaker 13: concerned about what happens, you know after we're asking people.

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Speaker 5: To rise up the history.

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Speaker 13: You know, our history with that has has been checkered

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Speaker 13: at best. I I served, uh, I served in Iraq.

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Speaker 13: My both of my brothers are were served in the

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Speaker 13: Marine Corps in Iraq and Afghanistan. So I uh, I

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Speaker 13: have a particular Uh.

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Speaker 12: I think we all, I think a lot of us do.

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Speaker 13: We're concerned about what comes next and what what do

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Speaker 13: we have in mind? I believe there's a plan, and

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Speaker 13: I also think that I know that the population of Iran,

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Speaker 13: they have tried to rise up many, many, many times

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Speaker 13: over the years. There have been many, uh there have

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Speaker 13: been many demonstrations of different kinds. But there's been the

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Speaker 13: Women Life Freedom, There's been the Green Movie. There's been

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Speaker 13: this new round of protests where tens of thousands of

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Speaker 13: Iranians have been killed in the process.

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Speaker 12: So the desire is there, but they.

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Speaker 13: Have it's been impossible for them to overcome the uses.

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Speaker 2: And with the iron absolutely here, here might be their

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Speaker 2: first real chance. Simone Ledein at the Strauss Center, wonderful

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Speaker 2: time spent with you man. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: your wisdom and your insights. Mark Davis, looking for your

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Speaker 2: wisdom and insights. One one hundred and five to two

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Speaker 2: oh one two three four. We'll wedge you between some

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Speaker 2: of these guests that we are enjoying today. On this Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: March fourth, you Uit Shoe will continue on the Salem

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Speaker 2: Radio Network and Salem News Channel. It is Wednesday, it

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Speaker 2: is the fourth of March twenty twenty six, and if

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Speaker 2: the video gods are smiling, we're going to go straight

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Speaker 2: to Tel Aviv, where it is about twenty after eleven.

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Speaker 2: If I'm doing my time zones right for a visit

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Speaker 2: with a gentleman who we value, you is value? Do

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Speaker 2: I have valued talking to him when I'm guest hosting,

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Speaker 2: listening to him when I'm driving around Ambassador doctor Michael Oran. Well,

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Speaker 2: they'll give me the heads up here on that. But

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Speaker 2: I was watching ambassador or an interviewed I think it

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Speaker 2: was on Fox News over the weekend or something, when

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Speaker 2: his phone with him, just as I have mine here

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Speaker 2: with me, and I know, and then his phone goes off,

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Speaker 2: and that's hey, it might be time to head to

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Speaker 2: a bomb shelter. I have had the great gift of

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Speaker 2: going to Israel one time, and it's made me want

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Speaker 2: to go back twenty times, and I will indeed get

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Speaker 2: around to it. It was in two thousand and three.

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Speaker 2: It was a time of particular tension. The Jewish Community

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Speaker 2: Relations Council here in Dallas helped me go over there

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Speaker 2: and do a week of shows from Jerusalem. And I mean,

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Speaker 2: I was a supporter of Israel before I went obvious

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Speaker 2: supporter of Israel after I came back. Going to Israel

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Speaker 2: didn't make me a supporter of Israel. It may be

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Speaker 2: a smarter supporter of Israel. It gave me. It gave

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Speaker 2: me experiences that we would all do well to understand,

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Speaker 2: because we in America don't want to live under a

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Speaker 2: threat of our phones going off, that maybe there's an

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Speaker 2: Iranian missile heading toward us in Texas, heading toward us

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Speaker 2: in New York. Ambassador Michael Lauren is here, Doctor ra

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Speaker 2: and Mark Davison for you. So nice to have you.

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Speaker 14: How you doing, sir, Good to be with you, Mark,

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Speaker 14: Good to be that we're up and run here.

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Speaker 3: Not many missiles tonight, only a few.

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Speaker 2: Recounting having watched you in a previous interview a couple

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Speaker 2: of days ago where your phone literally did go off

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Speaker 2: you like, you know, it's like, hey, we have to

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Speaker 2: put on the helmets and hit the bomb shelter. That

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Speaker 2: is the reality of having Iran as a neighbor. I

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Speaker 2: know it's a tense few days, but can you feel

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Speaker 2: that we're on a continuum where you and everyone in Israel,

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Speaker 2: and in fact everyone in the Middle East will indeed

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Speaker 2: be safer within weeks.

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Speaker 14: Well, I say you, I'm going to quote an imminent

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Speaker 14: source for my cab driver. It's really cab drivers are

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Speaker 14: very our unique brand. By the way, we all listen

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Speaker 14: to them, we all quote them, and it's simply is this.

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Speaker 14: He said, we're not living during historical times. We're living

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Speaker 14: during biblical times. And I think it's true. What we're

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Speaker 14: living through is something that nobody ever imagined. Not only

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Speaker 14: is the Iranan regime, you know, sort of on its

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Speaker 14: hind legs here, and the missiles have gone down about

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Speaker 14: two weeks ago, two days ago, we were going to

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Speaker 14: the bomb shelter about thirty times a day. Now it's

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Speaker 14: only about five to seven.

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Speaker 3: Times a day. But that's just the beginning of it.

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Speaker 14: It's the fact that Arab countries, beginning with Katar this evening,

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Speaker 14: to be followed by other Arab acaders, are joining in

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Speaker 14: the fight on Israel's side against the Islamic Republic of Iran.

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Speaker 14: And who would have imagined such a thing? Who would

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Speaker 14: have imagined that? The United States tonight and israel I

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Speaker 14: just listened to Secretary of War Hegseth talking about his

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Speaker 14: alliance with Israel. How were the ideal allies, the strongest allies.

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Speaker 3: That America has in the world, world.

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Speaker 14: These are biblical times, and we've just celebrated a Jewish

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Speaker 14: holiday forum where we remember going up against a Persian

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Speaker 14: evil ruler who tried to kill us and we won.

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Speaker 14: So this is quite a remarkable period for the state

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Speaker 14: of Israel.

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Speaker 2: I can only imagine. And you're the perfect person to

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Speaker 2: help us navigate something where some people still need a

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Speaker 2: little bit of help in understanding how allies work and

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Speaker 2: how they often speak with the same voice and sometimes

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Speaker 2: the same heart beats within a shared chest. And here's

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Speaker 2: what I mean. It's what Marco Rubio had to work

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Speaker 2: his way through there in the last forty eight hours,

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Speaker 2: the notion of who went first, whose idea was it first?

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Speaker 2: Did Israel come up with the idea that it's go

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Speaker 2: time to take out the Iranian regime? And did that

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Speaker 2: mean that America was just kind of riding shotgun and

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Speaker 2: letting Israel lead us around by the nose? Marco Rubio

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Speaker 2: exploded that myth. But I'd like your take on that

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Speaker 2: myth and why you think it was pervasive.

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Speaker 3: I think that the question is moot to you.

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Speaker 14: The frankly, you know, who got who into the war

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Speaker 14: first is actually irrelevant.

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Speaker 3: The important point is that the Prime.

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Speaker 14: Minister and this now went to the President last February

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Speaker 14: and said, listen, Iran has completely rebuilt, it rebuilt its

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Speaker 14: ballistic missics program. Each one of these missiles takes down

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Speaker 14: not an apartment building, but an entire neighborhood. Iran is

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Speaker 14: trying to get thirty thousand of these rockets. They get

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Speaker 14: thirty thousands of rockets, Israel will not be able to

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Speaker 14: stop Iran from making a nuclear weapon. It will not

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Speaker 14: be able to stop Iran from supporting terror that is

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Speaker 14: trying to destroy us on our borders.

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Speaker 3: We have to interdict.

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Speaker 14: We have to preempt this ballistic missile threat before it

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Speaker 14: gets out of hand.

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Speaker 3: It'll be too late.

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Speaker 14: And the President said to the Prime Minister, Okay, I

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Speaker 14: understand that you've got a green light from me.

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Speaker 3: So Israel, at some point, what's going to act.

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Speaker 14: And you can guarantee that when Israel did act, the

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Speaker 14: Iranians would take with extract vengeance not against just the

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Speaker 14: State of Israel, but also against the United States. So

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Speaker 14: it's kind of a mood point. Who went first. I'm

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Speaker 14: willing to believe what the President said that he was

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Speaker 14: the one who acted first. Israel followed at the end

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Speaker 14: of the day, it doesn't matter. We are allies where

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Speaker 14: allies in the fullest sense of the world, and allies

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Speaker 14: stand up for one another. And when President Trump saw

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Speaker 14: that his ally was facing a potentially existential threat from Iran,

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Speaker 14: he gave us full backing.

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Speaker 2: Next thing, that's kind of a from the diplomatic lexicon.

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Speaker 2: How can an operation be very very much about regime

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Speaker 2: change and not be a dreaded regime change war that

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Speaker 2: is such a bugaboo these days.

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Speaker 14: Well, it seems to me that in my father's generation

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Speaker 14: Americans fought a very successful regime change war, in fact,

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Speaker 14: to regime change war, once against Nazi Germany, once against

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Speaker 14: Imperial Japan.

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Speaker 3: So you know, regime I've got a bad name.

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Speaker 14: I guess because of Iraq, But doesn't mean it.

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Speaker 3: Hasn't worked all the time.

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Speaker 14: It seems in the Civil War there was also maybe

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Speaker 14: I shouldn't say this in Texas, but there was also

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Speaker 14: a regime change in the Civil War too, It wasn't there, Mark, Yes,

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Speaker 14: So in Texas I tread lightly and that, you know,

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Speaker 14: it's kind of bad. That doesn't mean the regime change

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Speaker 14: is going to happen here. Because the regime change here

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Speaker 14: because there are no boots on the ground, least not

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Speaker 14: a massive amount of boots. It has to come from

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Speaker 14: the Iranian people themselves, and I think that the White

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Speaker 14: House and Israel leadership are are in agreement on that.

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Speaker 14: And we cannot, you know, forge the Iranian the RUnni

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Speaker 14: people's destiny for themselves, but we can facilitate their ability

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Speaker 14: to forge it for themselves, which is what we're happening

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Speaker 14: here now. Barring that, there are very concrete goals in

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Speaker 14: this war. That is, to prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons,

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Speaker 14: to prevent Iran from getting a ballistic missile capacity that

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Speaker 14: will threaten US and other neighbors, and to stop and

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Speaker 14: running and support for terror. Those are three very solid

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Speaker 14: goals that make perfect, perfect sense, fully justified, and I

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Speaker 14: can't imagine any logical person anywhere saying that these that

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Speaker 14: the United Stations and Israel are not justified and seeking

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Speaker 14: those goals.

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Speaker 2: I hope it is the most peaceful of knights in

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Speaker 2: Tel Aviv, with many more to follow, Doctor Michael laur

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Speaker 2: And I'm joy to talk to you, Thank you, sir,

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Speaker 2: and thank you for being with us on exit. Doctor

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Speaker 2: Michael orn O, r E and former Israeli ambassador to

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Speaker 2: the United States. So that was a great explanation because

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Speaker 2: and by the way, I have a lot of latitude

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Speaker 2: that I give to a lot of people calls to

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Speaker 2: the show that I host here on six sixty Am

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Speaker 2: The Answer in Dallas Fort Worth, whenever I'm hanging out

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Speaker 2: here along the Salem Radio Network and Salem News Channel platforms,

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Speaker 2: taking calls from people just sort of on the fly,

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Speaker 2: and if anybody wonders about something or if they're just

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Speaker 2: getting because this is not everybody has the opportunity to

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Speaker 2: dive in and do deep dives into every angle of

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Speaker 2: the news and listen to forty seven interviews every day.

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Speaker 2: And if somebody did get sort of hog tied around

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Speaker 2: this notion of you know, was it preemptive? Was there

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Speaker 2: something that was about to happen? Did the thing I

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Speaker 2: want to leave you with in this segment. There did

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Speaker 2: not need to be a finger hovering above the button

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Speaker 2: or an Iranian mullow with a finger poised above the

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Speaker 2: button to justify this operation. This was an operation whose

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Speaker 2: time had come. Here's a break whose time has come.

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Speaker 2: And then the more of your thoughts and more a

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Speaker 2: guest and more things to talk about when we come back.

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Speaker 2: Mark Davison for you, Mark Davison for Hugh HEWITTT On

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Speaker 2: this Wednesday, the fourth day of March. You is back tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: What a pleasure it is today, especially with just the

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Speaker 2: litany of wonderful people that we get to talk to.

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Speaker 2: Let's head over to n our own National Review Online

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Speaker 2: editor Philip Klein is here. Phil. Welcome sir, How you doing.

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Speaker 5: Doing okay?

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Speaker 3: How are you?

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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Man Tazzy is a joy to have you. So anytime

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Speaker 2: I'm in for you or even on my own show

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Speaker 2: and I'm about to talk to somebody, I always figure

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Speaker 2: it's kind of a stream of consciousness to see the

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Speaker 2: kinds of things that they have been posting. So do

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Speaker 2: me a favor, peel back to curtain, if you will,

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Speaker 2: because you've been paying a lot of attention to what

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Speaker 2: people have been saying about Steve Whitcoff, the negotiations that

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Speaker 2: he's been a vital part of, and just sort of

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Speaker 2: the moving parts of how all of this has come about.

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Speaker 2: And then we'll just sort of go in a flow

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Speaker 2: chart from there.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, it's pretty a remarkable because Steve Whitkoff

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Speaker 15: throughout this process. Throughout Trump's presidency has been seen as

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Speaker 15: the kind of soft liner, the person who's.

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Speaker 5: Always been sent out there to cut the deal.

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Speaker 15: So it was kind of surprising for him to say

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Speaker 15: that when he sat down for him and Jared Kushner

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Speaker 15: sat down for their meeting with the Iranians, that was

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Speaker 15: right before Trump made the final decision to authorize the attack.

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Speaker 15: That in that meeting, the Iranian negotiators apparently came in

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Speaker 15: and said that they had enough in Richmond to give

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Speaker 15: to make eleven bombs, and that they didn't want to

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Speaker 15: give up in Richmond, and that was that's their starting point,

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Speaker 15: and that when wit Gooff relayed that to President Trump,

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Speaker 15: he was sort of done with the talking at that point.

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Speaker 5: Now, as we I mean, it's possible.

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Speaker 15: That that was just Iran trying to boast because as

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Speaker 15: we know, they were hit hard.

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Speaker 5: Last June in an.

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Speaker 15: Israeli operation that America joined at the tail end to

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Speaker 15: deliver a huge strike to its fort Ouse.

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Speaker 5: Facility, which is the sort.

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Speaker 15: Of heavily fortified bunker facility in the mountain region of Iran.

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Speaker 5: And so you Trump had said it was obliterated. So

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Speaker 5: it's quite possible.

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Speaker 15: That both things are true that it was deeply devastated,

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Speaker 15: but that Iran was at least boasting that they had

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Speaker 15: all of this material. Maybe it was material that they

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Speaker 15: had hid somewhere that was previously enriched, or perhaps they

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Speaker 15: were just lying to just sort of act you defiant,

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Speaker 15: But either way, it sort of clearly demonstrated to Trump

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Speaker 15: that there was no cutting a deal with them, that

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Speaker 15: no deal would be a deal that would be something

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Speaker 15: that Trump was prepared to live with.

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Speaker 2: That is touching on that takes me exactly where I

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Speaker 2: wanted to go, because so many people have said, hey,

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Speaker 2: you crazy conservatives. All of a sudden, you people who

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Speaker 2: voted for Trump because you didn't want any new wars,

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Speaker 2: Now all of a sudden you're talking about, Hey, this

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Speaker 2: has been terrible for forty seven years. Why didn't you

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Speaker 2: call for it five years ago? Why didn't you call

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Speaker 2: for it ten years ago? First of all, some people did,

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Speaker 2: but I think the reason is nobody dreamed it was possible.

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Speaker 2: Trump is redefining what is on the table, what's within

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Speaker 2: the overtin window. One might say, we now have a

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Speaker 2: president willing to take this kind of bold action. We

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Speaker 2: pray that it works out well. I think every American

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Speaker 2: should hope that it works out well. But what is

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Speaker 2: your thought about my brief riff there on the notion

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Speaker 2: of people who have suddenly been brought to an appreciation

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Speaker 2: for interventionism.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, I think that a lot of

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Speaker 5: stuff that Trump said a lot of different.

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Speaker 15: Things, and I think we backed up sort of to

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Speaker 15: where conservatives were laid Obama era after.

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Speaker 5: Conservatives had seen what had happened.

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Speaker 15: During the Bush era and what had happened to the

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Speaker 15: Obama era.

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Speaker 5: And Trump clearly didn't like either approach.

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Speaker 15: He didn't like the sort of vast wars where there

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Speaker 15: was we were stuck there for decades, it cost trillions

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Speaker 15: of dollars, and we tried to do democracy promotion and

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Speaker 15: nation building.

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Speaker 5: He was clearly not on board with that. But clearly he.

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Speaker 15: Thought that Obama was let America be stepped on all

877
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Speaker 15: the time, and so a lot and so he clearly

878
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Speaker 15: was talking about, you know, bombing the blank out of Isis,

879
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Speaker 15: he was talking about water boring terrorists.

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Speaker 5: He was no sort of.

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Speaker 15: Buchananite on foreign policy, and I think people took some

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Speaker 15: of his criticism of Iraq war and sort of dumb

883
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Speaker 15: endless forever wars and assumed that he agreed with the

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Speaker 15: sort of non interventionist for Strainer's isolationists.

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Speaker 5: Buchananies, whatever term you want to give them.

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Speaker 15: But people thought that he was on the same page

887
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Speaker 15: as they were. But Trump, I mean, you could go

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Speaker 15: back to even before he was a candidate for anything,

889
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Speaker 15: talking about how Iran couldn't be allowed to get a

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Speaker 15: nuclear weapon.

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Speaker 5: He was very critical.

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Speaker 15: Of Obama's negotiations with Iran and the deal that was

893
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Speaker 15: cut with Iran. He said many occasions, Iran could never

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Speaker 15: get a nuclear weapon, and what happened clearly, I think

895
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Speaker 15: Mark Arubio the other day did a good job of

896
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Speaker 15: sort of suctinctly explaining what the issue was here that

897
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Speaker 15: prompted the action. It's not necessarily that right now they

898
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Speaker 15: were weeks away from a nuclear weapon, but the issue

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Speaker 15: was that they were building up their ballistic missile.

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Speaker 5: And drone program.

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Speaker 15: And he, according to what Mark Arrubio said, they were

902
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Speaker 15: building one hundred ballistic missiles a month, whereas we could

903
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Speaker 15: only produce six or seven missile interceptors a month. And

904
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Speaker 15: so what their plan was was to build up a

905
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Speaker 15: vast arsenal of ballistic missiles and drones.

906
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Speaker 5: That they could use as a shield.

907
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Speaker 15: To effectively grant them immunity to go back to build

908
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Speaker 15: rebuilding their nuclear program. If they had a large enough

909
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Speaker 15: stock of doing of ballistic missiles, then the costs of

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Speaker 15: striking them would be much higher.

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Speaker 2: And you know, one could almost ask why, we could

912
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Speaker 2: ask how long are we supposed to wait? Precisely Philip Prime,

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Speaker 2: news at a National Review Online editor at NRO, author

914
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Speaker 2: of Fear of Your Future. Thanks so much, Phil Klein

915
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Speaker 2: there at NRO. Appreciate you, and we're going to come

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Speaker 2: back talk a little bit some breaking news. The Senate

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Speaker 2: has failed to pass a war powers resolution. Details next.

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Speaker 2: Mark Davison for u UIT, Salem News Channel, Salem Radio

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Speaker 2: Network and our number three, our final hour together on

920
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Speaker 2: the Wednesday h Hewitt Show, and what a broadcast it

921
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Speaker 2: has been. Mark Davison for you, who is back tomorrow?

922
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Speaker 2: I Junior here in the building or the Salem News

923
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Speaker 2: Channel and the Salem Radio Network have their headquarters, and

924
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Speaker 2: where my happy little morning show happens each morning on

925
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Speaker 2: six sixty am, the answer and where I always enjoy

926
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Speaker 2: finishing up and going about my business and listening to

927
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Speaker 2: Hugh Hewitt in the afternoons and showing up to do

928
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Speaker 2: the show whenever the bat signal hits the sky and

929
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Speaker 2: they want me to come in. It's always a pleasure

930
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Speaker 2: to be here to talk to you, to riff on

931
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Speaker 2: a few things that are making news. The War Powers

932
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Speaker 2: resolution in the Senate has apparently failed. Will there be

933
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Speaker 2: one in the house. Let's talk about all these things

934
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Speaker 2: through this hour with a number of great guests. Michael

935
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Speaker 2: dorn Is, the Senior Fellow and Director of the Center

936
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Speaker 2: for Peace and Security in the Middle East. Mike, pleasure

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Speaker 2: to have you.

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Speaker 7: How you doing, sir, Oh great, great to be here.

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Speaker 7: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: It's a real pleasure. Listen. I always ask, with all

941
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Speaker 2: the great interviews we've done, I kind of like to

942
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Speaker 2: open at the wide end of the funnel and ask

943
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Speaker 2: if there's anything that jumps out at you from these

944
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Speaker 2: opening days of Operation Epic Fury, that is the most

945
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Speaker 2: important what is Is there anything that the public is

946
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Speaker 2: not getting? Is there something you'd like to see get

947
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Speaker 2: more attention? How's it all working out for you? Well?

948
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Speaker 16: I think the public is getting the main story, which

949
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Speaker 16: is just that this has been a phenomenally success full

950
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Speaker 16: military operation at a level of unprecedented cooperation between Israel

951
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Speaker 16: and the United States.

952
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Speaker 7: We've never seen this before. They're operating together.

953
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Speaker 16: Like one military and the two of us together are

954
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Speaker 16: a lot stronger.

955
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 7: So basically, so far, it's a good news story. I

956
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Speaker 7: am a little.

957
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Speaker 16: Part of my job as a Middle East analyst and

958
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 16: these situations is to remind everybody when things are going

959
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 16: really well militarily that the real the hardest challenge in

960
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Speaker 16: these situations is to translate military victory into lasting political change.

961
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Speaker 7: We have some challenges there.

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Speaker 16: But that's not meant in any way to criticize what's happening.

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Speaker 16: I think it's a phenomenally successful operation.

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Speaker 2: It is after midnight in the Middle East, and you

965
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Speaker 2: noticed on your own Twitter feed Door animated, which is fantastic.

966
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Speaker 2: Love that title. Tonight, you say twice in one hour

967
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Speaker 2: Israel attacked has Bola targets in Beirut. What do you

968
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Speaker 2: make of the the geographic breadth of some of the

969
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Speaker 2: Israeli operation.

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Speaker 16: Well, this is a war not just against the Iranians,

971
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Speaker 16: but their entire network, which of course includes his Bela Hamas,

972
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Speaker 16: the Houthis militias in militias in Iraq.

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Speaker 7: I'm sorry, I just got a call coming through. I

974
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Speaker 7: don't know if you heard that, Uh.

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Speaker 16: And the Israelis have been frustrated, as I was just

976
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Speaker 16: saying about their inability or the difficulty they've been having

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Speaker 16: translating their military success in Lebanon into a lasting political change.

978
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Speaker 7: His Billah is trying to come back.

979
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Speaker 16: It wants to grow its capabilities again with the help

980
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Speaker 16: of the Iranians, and they're using this opportunity.

981
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Speaker 7: To try to put his Billah back in his box.

982
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Speaker 2: Is there a Muslim nation that is to be spared

983
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 2: from this odd conniption fit that Iron is throwing. Earlier

984
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Speaker 2: about about seven or eight hours ago, apparently over Turkish airspace,

985
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 2: an Iranian missile was like headed for istanbuler Ankorra or

986
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 2: something like that, and the Turks of worn the Iranians

987
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 2: that they will respond to such attacks. Help help me

988
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 2: understand the universe in which it makes sense for Iran

989
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,760
Speaker 2: to drive just about everybody into our camp.

990
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Speaker 16: Well, there there is a method to this madness, although

991
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 16: I have to say that that one surprised me. But

992
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 16: there is a method here, and that one of the

993
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Speaker 16: one element of the regionalization strategy of the Iranians is

994
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 16: just to force the United States to burn in its

995
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 16: allies to burn through interceptors. There's a global you know,

996
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 16: there's a finite number of interceptors, and that the Iranians

997
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 16: have more missiles than we have interceptors to uh to

998
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 16: take them down. And as part of their strategy of

999
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 16: waiting out the Americans, they want to put pressure on them.

1000
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 16: They want they want our stockpiles to run to run short,

1001
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 16: and so they're doing this to a certain degree on purpose.

1002
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Speaker 16: They also want to bring maximum diplomatic and political pressure

1003
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Speaker 16: to bear on Donald Trump. The calculation is that the

1004
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Speaker 16: Turks don't want to be drawn into this, and they

1005
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Speaker 16: will be angered by what the Iranians are doing in

1006
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Speaker 16: the short term, but in the long run they they'll

1007
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Speaker 16: put pressure on Donald Trump to bring this to an

1008
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Speaker 16: end sooner rather than later.

1009
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Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about pressure of another type.

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Speaker 2: I can only imagine, and I've not been in the

1011
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Speaker 2: habit of trying to sort of channel the Chinese or

1012
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Speaker 2: figure out to be a whisperer for them. I mean,

1013
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Speaker 2: I understand the basic logic of the CCP and a

1014
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Speaker 2: communist regime and their global positioning. But if you'd have

1015
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 2: told me six months ago we're going to do something

1016
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Speaker 2: really aggressive about Iran. I would have expected a lot

1017
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Speaker 2: of Russian pushback, an enormous amount of Chinese pushback. How

1018
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 2: do you explain the fact that it's almost the Chinese

1019
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 2: seem very nearly compliant, apparently willing to offer to sort

1020
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Speaker 2: of negotiate a lowering of the temperature. What is going

1021
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Speaker 2: on in China.

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Speaker 16: Well, the Chinese have always stayed one step removed from

1023
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Speaker 16: these conflicts in the Middle East. They benefit from them greatly,

1024
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Speaker 16: and they benefit from building up the Iranians.

1025
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Speaker 7: They have a vested interest here in the regime.

1026
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Speaker 16: They are very very significant supporters of Iran's ballistic missile program.

1027
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Speaker 16: They provide targeting data to the Houthis. For example, there

1028
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Speaker 16: are only two entities in the world that have anti

1029
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 16: ship ballistic missiles. That is a weapon that is designed

1030
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Speaker 16: for one thing and one thing only, and that is

1031
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 16: to attack American aircraft carriers when they are maneuvering in

1032
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Speaker 16: confined waterways. And those two entities are the Chinese and

1033
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Speaker 16: the Houthis. And so they're following all of the Houthi

1034
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Speaker 16: activities very closely.

1035
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Speaker 7: They're supporting them through the Iranians with.

1036
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Speaker 16: Component parts for the missiles and and some of the

1037
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Speaker 16: chemicals needed to build solid fuel, propellant.

1038
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Speaker 8: And so on.

1039
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Speaker 16: So the Chinese are there in the background. They're also

1040
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Speaker 16: buying Iranian oil at a steep discount. They benefit from

1041
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 16: that greatly, but they are always reluctant to get.

1042
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Speaker 7: Directly involved in these conflicts.

1043
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Speaker 16: So what they want to see right now is they

1044
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Speaker 16: just want to see the conflict come to an end

1045
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 16: and the regimes survive so that they can again rebuild

1046
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 16: their missile program in a way that will benefit the Chinese,

1047
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Speaker 16: and that.

1048
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Speaker 7: They will sell their oil to the Chinese.

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Speaker 2: Last thing, I'm glad to get it to fit this

1050
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Speaker 2: in in a world filled with people who very understandably say,

1051
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 2: I have no idea how this is going to work out.

1052
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 2: I have no crystal ball, and let the game come

1053
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 2: to me. I have no idea. Not twenty four hours ago,

1054
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Speaker 2: you wrote a piece called Trump's Endgame, in which you

1055
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Speaker 2: take a look at your tea leaves and give it

1056
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 2: and share a little bit about how you think this

1057
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 2: all played out. So please share with the class.

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Speaker 16: I think that Donald Trump, in let's say about a week,

1059
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Speaker 16: maybe a few days less, maybe a few days more,

1060
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Speaker 16: I think he will declare victory, and he will begin

1061
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Speaker 16: negotiating with the regime about ballistic missiles and the nuclear

1062
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Speaker 16: program and support for proxies. And I think he will

1063
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Speaker 16: move away from support for revolution in Iran. He doesn't

1064
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Speaker 16: want a huge revolution, could turn into civil war. It

1065
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Speaker 16: could then turn into a problem that can't be managed

1066
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Speaker 16: for many years. He's going to run over the Iranians

1067
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Speaker 16: with a herd of elephants and then prop him up

1068
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Speaker 16: a little bit and try to see if he can

1069
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Speaker 16: cut a deal with him. We can argue about whether

1070
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Speaker 16: that's the wisest way to go about it or unwise,

1071
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Speaker 16: but that's what I think he's going to do.

1072
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Speaker 2: Well. There are no solutions, there are only trade offs,

1073
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Speaker 2: and that may be less satisfying to the gut than

1074
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Speaker 2: hanging in there and then watching American flags and Iranian

1075
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Speaker 2: flags as they build statues to Donald Trump. We may

1076
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Speaker 2: get to that point, but what you've described I think

1077
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Speaker 2: may accentuate the positives and eliminate the negatives. As the

1078
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Speaker 2: old song lyric goes, Mike Doran, thank you so much,

1079
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Speaker 2: thanks for all you do. Pleasure to spend time with

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Speaker 2: you today. Thank you, sir, thank you. We are in

1081
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Speaker 2: what we call the home stretch, the final half hour

1082
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Speaker 2: of the Wednesday Hu Hewitt Show, Mark Davis in for You,

1083
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Speaker 2: who returns tomorrow. Gee, what will he talk about? We've

1084
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Speaker 2: just settled everything happening. That's the way it goes around here.

1085
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Speaker 2: Every day is a fresh gift of stuff for all

1086
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Speaker 2: the hosts to talk about. Hugh will return tomorrow. It's

1087
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Speaker 2: been a joy being here with you, Mark Davis in

1088
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Speaker 2: for You again on the Salem News Channel and the

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Speaker 2: Salem Radio Network. Following me in the world of X

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Speaker 2: at Mark Davis, Mark Davis, And it's funny. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if I'm like always here on Wednesday, but it

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Speaker 2: seems like talk about a great development. Seems like I'm

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Speaker 2: talking to Sarah Bedford all the time, and it's a

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Speaker 2: real pleasure to do so. She's the investigations editor for

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Speaker 2: DC Examiner. Hello, Hello again, Sarah. Nice to be in

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Speaker 2: to talk to you. How you doing.

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Speaker 9: Hello, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: So this is actually quite the palette cleanser. We have

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Speaker 2: been so steeped in Iran. I've thrown everybody some thoughts

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Speaker 2: about Cornyn and Paxton and the Senate primary in my state.

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Speaker 2: I want to go into some of what you've been

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Speaker 2: paying some attention to and the kind of things that

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Speaker 2: tend to be your cup of tea. Help me with

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Speaker 2: something that was a story, seemed like a big story

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Speaker 2: a couple of a few days ago, and then I

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Speaker 2: don't know if it vanished or whatever. The notion of

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Speaker 2: the Biden FBI secretly obtaining Susie Wiles's phone records other

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Speaker 2: people's phone records. Did that happen and what should come of.

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Speaker 9: That that did happen? We learned from the House Judiciary Committee,

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Speaker 9: who obtained documents from the Justice Department that under Biden,

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Speaker 9: FBI was being even more aggressive in surveilling conservatives and

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Speaker 9: people associated with Donald Trump's twenty twenty four campaign. Then

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Speaker 9: we even knew.

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Speaker 5: And I think one.

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Speaker 9: Of the reasons why stuff like this doesn't break through

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Speaker 9: is because people have sort of largely accepted that the

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Speaker 9: FBI was aggressively going after Donald Trump, but because he

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Speaker 9: won re election, people are, I guess, sort of willing

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Speaker 9: to write that off. But it's a pretty serious thing

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Speaker 9: that the FBI was able to go after the now

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Speaker 9: FBI Director Cash Mattel and the now White House Chief

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Speaker 9: of Staff Susie Wiles during the heat of a presidential campaign,

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Speaker 9: and particularly in the case of Susie Wiles, who was

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Speaker 9: not part of Donald Trump's first administration, it's not really

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Speaker 9: clear why the Biden DOJ would have needed to see

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Speaker 9: who she was calling and texting on her cell phone

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Speaker 9: while she was running Trump's campaign. There were even reports

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Speaker 9: that the FBI listened in on one of the phone

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Speaker 9: calls that she had with her lawyers and claims the

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Speaker 9: lawyer had given them consent, the lawyers denying that. So, yeah,

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Speaker 9: it's really surprising that that hasn't broken through more. I

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Speaker 9: guess it shouldn't be surprising in this day and age,

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Speaker 9: but a shocking thing that happened under the Biden DOJ.

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Speaker 2: EXE. Where is the bar set for surprise? I mean,

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Speaker 2: we're at war. You'll have to alert me when something

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Speaker 2: else happens. I don't know. I just all right, then,

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Speaker 2: let's give this a try. You've been paying some attention

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Speaker 2: to some House hearings, one in which the Governor of Minnesota,

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Speaker 2: Tim Walls, didn't seem to remember when he first learned

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Speaker 2: about the entire Feeding our Future fraud. And there was

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Speaker 2: a pretty interesting exchange when the Attorney General of Minnesota,

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Speaker 2: Keith Ellison was asked to explain his past comment that

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Speaker 2: fraud I believe the quote is not a serious thing.

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Speaker 2: How is that working for the Minnesotans.

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Speaker 12: Well, it's not really working.

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Speaker 9: I mean, it was sort of remarkable that Tim Walls,

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Speaker 9: who has had months to prepare for this hearing. Obviously,

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Speaker 9: fraud started becoming a scandal in Minnesota years ago, and

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Speaker 9: in the past few months, not just a Minnesota scandal,

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Speaker 9: but a national one, and Mark Walls came in unprepared

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Speaker 9: to answer questions about how much federal money his state

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Speaker 9: was allocating towards autism services, towards some of these nutrition programs,

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Speaker 9: and the other social service programs that have been targeted

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Speaker 9: by fraudsters, particularly in Minnesota, which had some pretty lax oversight,

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Speaker 9: to put it charitably, of these types of programs. Walls

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Speaker 9: didn't have any of those numbers. Wals didn't really have

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Speaker 9: answers to any of those tough questions, like when he

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Speaker 9: learned about the largest pandemic era fraud scandal in the

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Speaker 9: entire country, which unfolded on his watch.

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Speaker 12: There were some combative.

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Speaker 9: Political bonent moments, but it's pretty clear that Walls and

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Speaker 9: Ellison still don't really have answers for how so much

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Speaker 9: money was able to be stolen during their administration.

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Speaker 2: So, noticing a theme that could be put to some

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Speaker 2: use both politically and practically, President Trump announced the establishment

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Speaker 2: I believe. I don't know if this is on the

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Speaker 2: business cards the Office of the Fraud Czar. Do we

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Speaker 2: have enough fraud to occupy there their long in their

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Speaker 2: long and busy days, and how might that even work?

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Speaker 9: Yes, there's plenty of fraud. I mean, the dirty little

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Speaker 9: secret is that this type of fraud is not limited

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Speaker 9: to Minnesota, and it's not even limited just to Blues states.

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Speaker 9: There's just not a ton of oversight over a lot

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Speaker 9: of these programs, like programs under Medicaid for example, or

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Speaker 9: other social services programs, will mostly rely on people attesting

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Speaker 9: to their own details.

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Speaker 12: So there's plenty of fraud to go around.

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Speaker 2: Makes sense, Well, listen, and plenty of stories to go around,

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Speaker 2: keeping you busy. Sarah Bedford, investigations editor for the DC Examitor,

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Speaker 2: Thank you. It's always a pleasure to talk to you, Sarah,

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Speaker 2: And if history is a prolog I will again soon

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Speaker 2: at some point here on the Hugh Hewitt Show, Mark

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Speaker 2: Davis filling in Salem News Channel, Salem Radio Network. We

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Speaker 2: will continue.

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Speaker 2: there is one more person making the list of wonderful

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Speaker 2: folks that we've had the opportunity to talk to. Vice

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Speaker 2: Chair of Public Interest Declassification, Adjunct Fellow at the Hudson Institute,

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Speaker 2: Ezra Cohen, is here fresh off a plane or something.

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Speaker 2: This was like down to the second, Ezra, welcome, It's

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Speaker 2: so nice to have you, Mark Davison for you, welcome,

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Speaker 2: good evening. Mark. So I've asked everybody the same very

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Speaker 2: thirty thousand foot question from your perspective, paying attention to

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Speaker 2: what you pay attention to, with a priority list of

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Speaker 2: things that are important to you. How's this first week

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Speaker 2: of epic fury working out for you? How is the

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Speaker 2: world different? And how's it playing over here in the USA?

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Speaker 18: Well, we were five days into this and we already

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Speaker 18: have complete airs priority in Iran. But also, I mean,

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Speaker 18: you know, I'll tell you other countries that perhaps were

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Speaker 18: thinking of taking action that was against the US interest

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Speaker 18: or definitely taking note here, and especially as the US

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Speaker 18: just absolutely routes the Chinese military technology and hardware.

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Speaker 8: That the Iranians were equipped with.

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Speaker 18: I think it's sending a very very strong message to

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Speaker 18: a lot of other countries around the world.

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Speaker 2: There's something really timely about you being here right now,

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Speaker 2: because I've been this is my second talk show of

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Speaker 2: the day. I've talked to a lot of people, I've

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Speaker 2: thought about a lot of things. I'm really in the

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Speaker 2: mood to tie sort of a bow around things just

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Speaker 2: for this calendar day. So help me out with this one.

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Speaker 6: In a world.

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Speaker 2: Where there are some people who seem isolationist, who didn't

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Speaker 2: really want to do anything, and there are other people

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Speaker 2: who are deeply concerned about a forever war, a quagmires

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Speaker 2: being you know, boots on the ground for years. Isn't

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Speaker 2: there a third way? Isn't there a way to navigate

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Speaker 2: a wonderful in between space where we take a limited engagement,

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Speaker 2: a limited action that is so decisive and so successful

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Speaker 2: that he hits a reset button and things are recognizably

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Speaker 2: better within months.

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Speaker 18: Well, this is President Trump's doctrine, right, I mean, everybody

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Speaker 18: and all of these you know, commentators online wanted to

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Speaker 18: put him in one bucket or another. I mean, either

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Speaker 18: he's an interventionalist or you know, he's an isolationist. The

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Speaker 18: bottom line is the President Trump wants America to win,

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Speaker 18: and he's only going to pick objectives that allow America

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Speaker 18: to win. And we've seen this really from the beginning

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Speaker 18: of his administration, whether you know most recently the Maduro raid,

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Speaker 18: but the strike on the nuclear facilities last summer. All

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Speaker 18: of these are discreete, well defined actions that based on

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Speaker 18: you know, the military best military advice he's getting from

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Speaker 18: Chairman Kine and Secretary of Hegseth, and he knows that

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Speaker 18: these are things that the US is able to achieve

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Speaker 18: and able to win. And you know, that's what he's

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Speaker 18: focused on. So look, I think you're exactly right. He's not,

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Speaker 18: you know, shooting for the moon or doing something unrealistic.

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Speaker 18: He's just picking discrete, real lifes, stick objectives, and that's

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Speaker 18: been his winning strategy and he's clearly sticking with it here.

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Speaker 2: I've had one crystal ball that yielded a scenario where

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Speaker 2: as soon as maybe a week or two, President Trump

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Speaker 2: sort of pivots. He doesn't pull out or say okay,

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Speaker 2: that's enough, but goes looking for maybe some element, some

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Speaker 2: you know how transactional he could be. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 2: know the Delsea Rodriguez of Tehran is a tricky Venezuelan

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Speaker 2: comparison because I don't think there is one, but just

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Speaker 2: some way to get to a phase that says, I'm

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Speaker 2: looking for ways to manage the next chapter and not

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Speaker 2: have it happen in a year.

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Speaker 18: Well, look, and this is actually this started at the

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Speaker 18: end of President Trump's first term. If you go back

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Speaker 18: and look there there were a lot of critics saying, oh,

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Speaker 18: President Trump's trying to start a war at the end

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Speaker 18: of his first term. Actually, he was just trying to

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Speaker 18: leave options for the next administration to make sure that

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Speaker 18: this Iranian problem would not persist for many more generations

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Speaker 18: to come. And I I think that's what he's trying

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Speaker 18: to do here. He is trying to make sure that

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Speaker 18: not only are we just going in and having this

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Speaker 18: military victory, but he's going to he wants to leave

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Speaker 18: a lasting situation in Iran that's going to be stable again.

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Speaker 8: You know, we may not like you know who's there.

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Speaker 18: She might not be perfect in Venezuela, but the bottom

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Speaker 18: line is that it's much more stable and much more

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Speaker 18: in the US interests than it was six months ago.

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Speaker 8: And I think he's looking for the same type of.

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Speaker 18: Thing in Iran. Now we're clearly not there yet. There's

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Speaker 18: a lot more work that needs to be done that

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Speaker 18: you know, as Secretary Hegseeth and Chairman Kane have said,

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Speaker 18: this is a way more complex operation, certainly just in

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Speaker 18: terms of the capability that the Iranians had.

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Speaker 8: So it's going to take some time.

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Speaker 18: But the President isn't looking to create you know, another

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Speaker 18: Afghanistan or Libya, right. He wants to leave a very

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Speaker 18: very stable, lasting situation where the US can actually have

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Speaker 18: you know, positive relations with with the government that's left

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Speaker 18: in place there.

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Speaker 2: As ra Colan on Twitter on exs Ezra A Cohen

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Speaker 2: and in going and paying a visit over there, I

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Speaker 2: found a little chunk that you posted of your conversation

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Speaker 2: I think just yesterday with the BBC. Do you get

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Speaker 2: a feeling of not that the BBC represents all of

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Speaker 2: Europe or even all of the UK. How did that

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Speaker 2: conversation go of the people who just really don't like

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Speaker 2: Trump in this country, around Europe and the UN and

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Speaker 2: blah blah, blah blah blah. What kind of tone do

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Speaker 2: they come at you with as you showed them a

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Speaker 2: little bit of the logic that you're sharing with us.

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Speaker 18: Well, you know, the BRIT's like to be provocative. You

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Speaker 18: just have to remain very calm when you're dealing with them,

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Speaker 18: and I think they don't expect that from most Americans,

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Speaker 18: but you just remain calm. Look, the Europeans and especially

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Speaker 18: the Brits realized that they made a massive error.

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Speaker 8: They thought that they were going to you know.

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Speaker 18: Cast out and really call into question President Trump's the

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Speaker 18: operation that President Trump is leading right now. They immediately

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Speaker 18: regretted it, mainly because within you know, less than a day,

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Speaker 18: the Iranians started striking British bases in the mediterran Granian

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Speaker 18: they and the Brits because they stayed out of it stupidly,

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Speaker 18: they had no forces pre deployed there, they had nowhere

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Speaker 18: to protect their bases. And you know, had they allowed

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Speaker 18: the US to preposition and strike from Diego Garcia rather

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Speaker 18: than having to fly all of these aircraft on these

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Speaker 18: very long sorties from the United States, we may have

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Speaker 18: been able to stop more of those one way attack

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Speaker 18: drones and missiles that ended up hitting British bases, so

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Speaker 18: they really hurt themselves.

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Speaker 8: I think they realized that now.

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Speaker 18: At the same time, they're also getting the Brits especially,

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Speaker 18: are getting pulled by mac cron into his sphere of influence.

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Speaker 18: It's not working well for them at all.

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Speaker 2: You just yesterday on the same day, retweeted a wonderful

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Speaker 2: somebody who floated a famous Churchill quote, never be separated

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Speaker 2: from the Americans. Well, we are glad to be joined

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Speaker 2: at pahip with you and everybody the Hudson Institute. Thank you,

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Speaker 2: very very much. It is Ezra Cohen pleasure spending time

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Speaker 2: with you, sir, and our time together is about done.

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Speaker 2: So I tell you what, as we wrap up this segment,

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Speaker 2: and we've got about three four minutes to spend on

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Speaker 2: the other side, today's program has been just a glorious

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Speaker 2: opportunity to talk to so many smart people, and to

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Speaker 2: talk to a good number of people who are smart

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Speaker 2: out there in the listening audience. I hope to rise

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Speaker 2: to that level of smartness and share a couple of

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Speaker 2: things too, as I say, tie a little bow or

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Speaker 2: on this amazing day in history. But aren't they all