1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:03,830 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 2: Build Different is a production of the American Association of 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 2: Christian Counselors. To support this podcast and learn how you 4 00:00:09,460 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 2: can help us to promote all our biblical content, spread 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 2: the gospel, and provide mental health resources and training to 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:26,270 Speaker 2: people everywhere, just go to aaccfoundation.org. Again, that's aaccfoundation.org. Welcome 7 00:00:26,310 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: to Built Different. I'm Zach Clinton, your host, and each 8 00:00:28,750 --> 00:00:31,180 Speaker 2: week I come to you exclusively on the Life Audio 9 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,900 Speaker 2: Podcast Network. I'm proud to partner with Life Audio and 10 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: bring you entertaining, life-changing, family-friendly podcasts for a new generation. 11 00:00:38,540 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: At Built Different, our mission is to provide encouragement, hope, 12 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 2: and challenge to help push you past your limits and 13 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 2: reach goals you never thought possible. Colossians 2 verse 6 says, 14 00:00:46,979 --> 00:00:49,500 Speaker 2: So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, 15 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,620 Speaker 2: continue to live your lives in Him, rooted and built 16 00:00:52,720 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 2: up in Him. Amen? Now let's roll. Hello, everybody, and 17 00:01:01,900 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: welcome back into the Built Different podcast. As always, I'll 18 00:01:04,100 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 2: be your host today, Dr. Zach Clinton, and we are 19 00:01:06,300 --> 00:01:10,620 Speaker 2: sitting backstage here in Garland, Texas, at the Curtis Colwell Center. 20 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,140 Speaker 2: We have over 4,000 women packed out in an arena 21 00:01:13,500 --> 00:01:16,530 Speaker 2: at our Extraordinary Women Tour. It's the 2026 Buy Still 22 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,870 Speaker 2: Waters Tour. Women coming and gathering together to grow in 23 00:01:19,910 --> 00:01:23,590 Speaker 2: relationship with God, but also to grow and strengthen community 24 00:01:23,950 --> 00:01:25,690 Speaker 2: with one another. And today, we get the opportunity of 25 00:01:25,709 --> 00:01:28,330 Speaker 2: sitting backstage before she takes the stage as our closer 26 00:01:28,370 --> 00:01:31,850 Speaker 2: this afternoon. with Ms. Sheila Walsh. Sheila's an author, a 27 00:01:31,890 --> 00:01:35,390 Speaker 2: Bible teacher, a three-time Grammy nominee. Come on, Sheila. And 28 00:01:35,450 --> 00:01:38,660 Speaker 2: television host who has spoken to over 6 million people 29 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,220 Speaker 2: around the world. She co-hosts several shows, including Praise and 30 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 2: Better Together on TBN, America's most watched faith and family channel. 31 00:01:46,459 --> 00:01:49,350 Speaker 2: Sheila's books have sold nearly 6 million copies as well, 32 00:01:49,390 --> 00:01:52,630 Speaker 2: include bestsellers like It's Okay Not to Be Okay and 33 00:01:52,650 --> 00:01:54,810 Speaker 2: The Hope of Heaven. Sheila, my friend, it's always great 34 00:01:54,830 --> 00:01:56,030 Speaker 2: to see you. Thank you for joining me again. 35 00:01:56,570 --> 00:01:58,450 Speaker 1: Zach, A, I love you, and B, I think my 36 00:01:58,490 --> 00:02:01,570 Speaker 1: husband wrote that. He always makes it sound like, you know, 37 00:02:01,590 --> 00:02:03,550 Speaker 1: I think there's five million copies of those books in 38 00:02:03,610 --> 00:02:04,809 Speaker 1: our garage, probably. 39 00:02:06,310 --> 00:02:08,570 Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you, Ms. Sheila, you have continued 40 00:02:08,830 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 2: to impact my life. I'm so grateful for you. You 41 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 2: know how much my family adores you guys. I adore 42 00:02:13,340 --> 00:02:16,179 Speaker 2: your family. We're so grateful for you and that you're here. 43 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,100 Speaker 2: But as we begin, as I mentioned, we're backstage here. 44 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: You're about to take the stage this afternoon, and I 45 00:02:21,260 --> 00:02:23,299 Speaker 2: know God has placed a pressing word on your heart. 46 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,270 Speaker 2: Would you just share that? Just for a few minutes, 47 00:02:25,330 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 2: maybe what he has imprinted on you that you want 48 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:28,780 Speaker 2: to impact us with. 49 00:02:29,340 --> 00:02:31,019 Speaker 1: One of the things I want to ask the women 50 00:02:31,419 --> 00:02:35,859 Speaker 1: this afternoon is, why does it matter what you call yourself? 51 00:02:36,580 --> 00:02:39,820 Speaker 1: How you identify yourself? Because when you look out, I 52 00:02:39,870 --> 00:02:42,310 Speaker 1: was just out in the arena and, you know, looking 53 00:02:42,350 --> 00:02:45,770 Speaker 1: around the crowd, there's women there who are divorced, who 54 00:02:45,810 --> 00:02:49,630 Speaker 1: had an abortion, who are dealing with anxiety, depression, all 55 00:02:49,710 --> 00:02:53,780 Speaker 1: sorts of life. And that's how they label themselves. But 56 00:02:53,790 --> 00:02:56,620 Speaker 1: I read something interesting. I'm a real geek. I love, 57 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: I mean, Amazon Prime probably owes me a boat by 58 00:02:59,900 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 1: now because I just, you know, if I find a 59 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,260 Speaker 1: new commentary or something that dives deep into scripture, I 60 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,710 Speaker 1: love it. And I wanted to understand something. You remember 61 00:03:09,730 --> 00:03:13,230 Speaker 1: when Moses was told to call, to tell Pharaoh to 62 00:03:13,250 --> 00:03:16,169 Speaker 1: let the children of Israel come out of Egypt and, 63 00:03:16,270 --> 00:03:19,419 Speaker 1: you know, he resists. And the very final comment, plague 64 00:03:19,780 --> 00:03:23,910 Speaker 1: was the death of the firstborn son of every family 65 00:03:23,940 --> 00:03:27,790 Speaker 1: in Egypt of every member of the livestock everything but 66 00:03:27,889 --> 00:03:30,070 Speaker 1: what he told the children of Israel was that they 67 00:03:30,110 --> 00:03:34,170 Speaker 1: should sacrifice a lamb and then take a hyssop branch 68 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,620 Speaker 1: and put the blood on the top of the doorpost 69 00:03:37,700 --> 00:03:40,780 Speaker 1: and the sides and I found myself thinking I think 70 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: if I wanted to be noticed, I think I would 71 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,100 Speaker 1: be a big X on the door. So why did 72 00:03:46,140 --> 00:03:48,850 Speaker 1: you do that? But what I began to understand was 73 00:03:49,190 --> 00:03:52,530 Speaker 1: they had lived in Egypt now for 400 years. You 74 00:03:52,590 --> 00:03:55,050 Speaker 1: pick up the habits of the culture you live in. 75 00:03:55,930 --> 00:03:59,420 Speaker 1: And Egyptians believed in the afterlife, but they believed your 76 00:03:59,540 --> 00:04:02,460 Speaker 1: name mattered. And so what they would do is. 77 00:04:04,100 --> 00:04:08,970 Speaker 1: Statues everywhere. They would have their names engraved and they 78 00:04:08,990 --> 00:04:14,220 Speaker 1: would have their names engraved above the house. And the 79 00:04:14,290 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: Israelites had picked up that habit too. Their name would 80 00:04:17,100 --> 00:04:19,540 Speaker 1: be engraved on the top of the house. And I 81 00:04:19,580 --> 00:04:23,180 Speaker 1: think what God was saying that night was, you know, 82 00:04:23,220 --> 00:04:25,670 Speaker 1: your name's not going to save you, but the blood 83 00:04:25,690 --> 00:04:28,450 Speaker 1: of Jesus Christ is going to save you. And so 84 00:04:28,510 --> 00:04:32,430 Speaker 1: that blood covered their name and was a promise of 85 00:04:32,510 --> 00:04:34,970 Speaker 1: who was to come that would cover every single one 86 00:04:35,010 --> 00:04:35,250 Speaker 1: of us. 87 00:04:35,510 --> 00:04:38,890 Speaker 2: Wow, what a pressing word, right? That of identity, that 88 00:04:38,970 --> 00:04:41,370 Speaker 2: God knows your name, but it's the blood that he 89 00:04:41,410 --> 00:04:43,250 Speaker 2: has shed on our behalf. Not that what you could 90 00:04:43,290 --> 00:04:45,630 Speaker 2: do or not do, but what's been done through the 91 00:04:45,710 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 2: cross that gives us hope, the hope even of heaven. Sheila? 92 00:04:50,470 --> 00:04:52,270 Speaker 2: I want to share just a little bit and kind 93 00:04:52,310 --> 00:04:54,930 Speaker 2: of unpack your story here for a moment. But before 94 00:04:54,970 --> 00:04:56,850 Speaker 2: we even get there, you talk about identity. We live 95 00:04:56,870 --> 00:04:58,710 Speaker 2: in a time, I think, where there's a lot of 96 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 2: identity confusion. A lot of people are struggling. There's a 97 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,900 Speaker 2: lot of challenges, a lot of fear. There's a lot 98 00:05:04,940 --> 00:05:07,900 Speaker 2: of pain. There's a mental health disaster that we're in. 99 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,910 Speaker 2: And I so appreciate your advocacy for mental health. Obviously, 100 00:05:11,210 --> 00:05:13,170 Speaker 2: we have a heart here for it at the AACC. 101 00:05:13,230 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 2: And When I think of identity confusion, I think about 102 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,820 Speaker 2: our kids and what our daughters and these girls are 103 00:05:17,850 --> 00:05:20,190 Speaker 2: going through. Recent stats from the CDC have revealed that 104 00:05:20,230 --> 00:05:25,810 Speaker 2: over 20% of our teenagers or adolescents have seriously contemplated suicide. 9.5% 105 00:05:25,810 --> 00:05:31,510 Speaker 2: of our teenagers or adolescents have attempted suicide, Sheila. Those 106 00:05:31,570 --> 00:05:36,300 Speaker 2: are sobering, eye-opening, alarming statistics that we have to give 107 00:05:36,339 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 2: attention to and we have to find solutions for. But 108 00:05:38,380 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 2: I want to ask you, as you speak to countless 109 00:05:40,660 --> 00:05:43,110 Speaker 2: women as you really speak into and invest in the 110 00:05:43,130 --> 00:05:45,930 Speaker 2: lives of countless girls, what are you seeing and why 111 00:05:45,970 --> 00:05:49,290 Speaker 2: do you think we do live in such confusing, challenging times? 112 00:05:50,150 --> 00:05:52,190 Speaker 1: You know, that is a great question. And it's something 113 00:05:52,210 --> 00:05:55,409 Speaker 1: that's on my heart and my mind almost all the time. 114 00:05:55,430 --> 00:06:00,010 Speaker 1: I had a young friend who was 11 years old 115 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,500 Speaker 1: and took her own life. And she was a beautiful 116 00:06:04,540 --> 00:06:07,500 Speaker 1: young girl from a Christian family, from our church, loved. 117 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,890 Speaker 1: But somehow she'd been made to feel at school that 118 00:06:10,990 --> 00:06:14,669 Speaker 1: she wasn't all the things that they were valuing. You know, 119 00:06:14,750 --> 00:06:19,970 Speaker 1: she wasn't thin enough. She wasn't whatever. And the thing is, Satan, 120 00:06:19,990 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: I mean, our enemy, Paul makes it so clear when 121 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,820 Speaker 1: he writes to the church in Ephesus, listen, people, understand 122 00:06:26,860 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: who you're fighting here. We are in a battle, a 123 00:06:30,380 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: spiritual battle. And what we know about the enemy is 124 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,860 Speaker 1: he is a liar and a father of lies. And 125 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 1: unless we replace those lies with with the truth of 126 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,900 Speaker 1: the word of God. When grown up in Scotland, we're 127 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,380 Speaker 1: big on wallpaper. I have no idea why, but we 128 00:06:47,450 --> 00:06:51,830 Speaker 1: wallpaper every room and trying to take wallpaper off. I 129 00:06:51,830 --> 00:06:53,410 Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever tried to do it. It 130 00:06:53,490 --> 00:06:56,089 Speaker 1: is so hard to get it off. I think it's 131 00:06:56,130 --> 00:06:58,710 Speaker 1: the same with our mind. I think God wants to 132 00:06:58,830 --> 00:07:04,180 Speaker 1: re-wallpaper our minds to scrape off those lies and replace 133 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,729 Speaker 1: them with the truth of the word of God. The 134 00:07:06,750 --> 00:07:09,830 Speaker 1: other thing that I found fascinating was I've always loved 135 00:07:09,870 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: Psalm 4610, be still and know that I am God. 136 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,500 Speaker 1: I learned that as a teenager, but it kind of 137 00:07:15,540 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: confused me because I'd be like, okay, I'm here and 138 00:07:19,580 --> 00:07:22,940 Speaker 1: I'm still and I'm knowing you're God, now what? And 139 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,430 Speaker 1: I just didn't understand it. And a lot of people 140 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,930 Speaker 1: see it as, I mean, they adopt that verse almost 141 00:07:28,010 --> 00:07:31,550 Speaker 1: as I take my candle into my devotional space, but 142 00:07:32,290 --> 00:07:35,890 Speaker 1: you need to read the whole psalm. It's a war psalm. 143 00:07:36,350 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: The way it starts off, it's like nations are falling apart. 144 00:07:40,100 --> 00:07:44,300 Speaker 1: The world is on fire. And the actual Hebrew root 145 00:07:44,500 --> 00:07:48,700 Speaker 1: of the word be still means let go. It's saying 146 00:07:48,740 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: to people who are trying to white knuckle it through 147 00:07:51,060 --> 00:07:55,260 Speaker 1: their life, let go and surrender because he is God 148 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: and he is good and he is in control. 149 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 2: I'm going to stop this right there and jump in 150 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,230 Speaker 2: to say you're listening to Built Different. I'm Zach Clinton. 151 00:08:03,490 --> 00:08:06,010 Speaker 2: We need to break for a brief message from our sponsors. 152 00:08:06,350 --> 00:08:08,250 Speaker 2: I'll be back with our guests to keep the conversation 153 00:08:08,290 --> 00:08:14,350 Speaker 2: flowing right after this. You're listening to Life Audio. Sheila, 154 00:08:15,350 --> 00:08:17,810 Speaker 2: God uses you and your voice in a powerful way. 155 00:08:17,830 --> 00:08:20,220 Speaker 2: And why I think he does is because you're so 156 00:08:20,300 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 2: vulnerable and you're so authentic, like you're so real, right? 157 00:08:23,780 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 2: That's really what you are all about. You just want 158 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 2: to have a voice for such a time as this 159 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,190 Speaker 2: to remind people that they're not alone in their pain. 160 00:08:31,370 --> 00:08:33,229 Speaker 2: They're not alone in their sorrow. They're not alone in 161 00:08:33,250 --> 00:08:35,710 Speaker 2: their grief. And I would love for you just to share. 162 00:08:36,110 --> 00:08:38,290 Speaker 2: I know you have a testimony. We interviewed Shonda Pierce 163 00:08:38,350 --> 00:08:42,350 Speaker 2: here yesterday on a new documentary. Love Shonda. We interviewed 164 00:08:42,370 --> 00:08:45,010 Speaker 2: her on a documentary, He Calls Me Daughter. And I'm 165 00:08:45,030 --> 00:08:47,620 Speaker 2: just thinking about your story and how fitting it is 166 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,780 Speaker 2: for a documentary such as that when you have a 167 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,900 Speaker 2: testimony about your own earthly father and then how sometimes 168 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: it makes it really hard to view your heavenly father 169 00:08:55,530 --> 00:08:58,170 Speaker 2: in the right perspective. But then I remember there's a 170 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 2: particular story that I want you to get to potentially 171 00:09:00,620 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 2: that has impacted my life deeply. It's impacted my life deeply. 172 00:09:04,340 --> 00:09:06,820 Speaker 2: When somebody in your lowest, darkest moment of life told 173 00:09:06,860 --> 00:09:10,260 Speaker 2: you that the shepherd knows where to find you. Take 174 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,780 Speaker 2: us back in just to your upbringing and give the 175 00:09:12,820 --> 00:09:16,260 Speaker 2: listeners that maybe don't quite know all the details, just 176 00:09:16,300 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 2: fill us in if you would. 177 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,540 Speaker 1: Sure. Well, I was born in a small mining town 178 00:09:21,300 --> 00:09:24,809 Speaker 1: on the west coast of Scotland. brought up by Christian parents, 179 00:09:24,850 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: which wouldn't be unusual here in the States. But in 180 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:31,100 Speaker 1: Scotland at that point, less than 2% of our population 181 00:09:31,179 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: even went to church, never mind having a committed... And 182 00:09:34,540 --> 00:09:38,020 Speaker 1: my mum and dad loved Jesus. My dad was my hero. 183 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,340 Speaker 1: I'm the middle child. I have an older sister and 184 00:09:40,380 --> 00:09:42,980 Speaker 1: a younger brother. But I was the tomboy. My sister 185 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,460 Speaker 1: was the good one. She would sit in a dress. Like, 186 00:09:45,500 --> 00:09:47,260 Speaker 1: why do you want to sit in a dress and 187 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: read books? I wanted to climb trees and jump off things. 188 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: And so my dad was my hero. He was the 189 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,630 Speaker 1: yes in my life. Until when I was five, he 190 00:09:57,650 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: had a massive brain injury, which... altered his personality. And 191 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,780 Speaker 1: from appearing or from genuinely loving me, he now appeared 192 00:10:05,820 --> 00:10:08,740 Speaker 1: to hate me. And the very last day I saw 193 00:10:08,780 --> 00:10:11,819 Speaker 1: my dad alive, he attempted to bring his cane down 194 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,430 Speaker 1: on my skull. He was paralyzed on one side. And 195 00:10:15,490 --> 00:10:17,969 Speaker 1: he was taken off that day to a psychiatric hospital. 196 00:10:18,030 --> 00:10:21,670 Speaker 1: He was 34 years old. But he managed to escape 197 00:10:21,950 --> 00:10:25,170 Speaker 1: and he died by suicide. He drowned himself in the river. 198 00:10:26,190 --> 00:10:28,330 Speaker 1: But the interesting thing about that, that's why I love 199 00:10:28,350 --> 00:10:32,100 Speaker 1: AACC so much, Zach, is back then we didn't talk 200 00:10:32,140 --> 00:10:35,699 Speaker 1: about things like that. We had to leave our little 201 00:10:36,179 --> 00:10:39,820 Speaker 1: mining town because it was seen as this huge shame. 202 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: Like my dad, who was like a deacon in the church, 203 00:10:43,380 --> 00:10:45,860 Speaker 1: had died by suicide. That was a shame. He was 204 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,450 Speaker 1: buried in an unmarked grave. And we moved back to 205 00:10:49,490 --> 00:10:52,290 Speaker 1: the town where my mom was raised. But here's what's 206 00:10:52,309 --> 00:10:55,630 Speaker 1: confusing to me. Nobody talked about it. So we went 207 00:10:55,670 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: to church. We sang the same hymns. We read the 208 00:10:58,550 --> 00:11:02,180 Speaker 1: same Bible. And I'm sitting there thinking, but what about 209 00:11:02,660 --> 00:11:06,220 Speaker 1: all of that? And so when I was 11 years old, 210 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: my mom took me to hear Scotland's only gospel group. 211 00:11:08,860 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: They were called the Heralds. And I remember the guy 212 00:11:11,860 --> 00:11:14,380 Speaker 1: said at the end, God has no grandchildren. He only 213 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,090 Speaker 1: has sons and daughters. Wow. That night, some people went 214 00:11:18,170 --> 00:11:21,010 Speaker 1: forward and I couldn't, I was shaken by the thought 215 00:11:21,050 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: that God might want to know me. So I went 216 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,060 Speaker 1: home and I tried to go to sleep and I couldn't. 217 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,900 Speaker 1: So I came back downstairs and I asked my mom 218 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,219 Speaker 1: a question, which sounds ridiculous now, but it was genuine then. 219 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,410 Speaker 1: I said, mom, is God still awake? And she said, 220 00:11:35,450 --> 00:11:36,570 Speaker 1: what do you mean? I said, well, I don't know 221 00:11:36,610 --> 00:11:39,730 Speaker 1: what hours he keeps. She said, oh no, he's awake 222 00:11:39,730 --> 00:11:42,190 Speaker 1: 24 seven. And I said, then will you pray with me? 223 00:11:43,050 --> 00:11:44,929 Speaker 1: And so my mom did. She led me into a 224 00:11:45,210 --> 00:11:48,260 Speaker 1: relationship with Jesus. But she said something that would be 225 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: good news to most people. But as you probably know, 226 00:11:52,460 --> 00:11:55,020 Speaker 1: and most of your listeners probably know, we tend to 227 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,620 Speaker 1: hear things through the broken window of our own experience. 228 00:11:58,300 --> 00:12:00,620 Speaker 1: She said, not only is Jesus your savior and you 229 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:02,990 Speaker 1: get to make him Lord of every area of your life, 230 00:12:03,710 --> 00:12:06,890 Speaker 1: you have a heavenly father watching over you. And I remember, 231 00:12:06,929 --> 00:12:10,750 Speaker 1: I was 11. I remember so clearly Zach thinking, okay, 232 00:12:10,830 --> 00:12:14,190 Speaker 1: this time I'll get it right. Because the message I 233 00:12:14,210 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: learned as a child is, You can win love and 234 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,179 Speaker 1: you can lose love. And it's up to you. It's 235 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,660 Speaker 1: up to how you respond. So that was the kind 236 00:12:21,700 --> 00:12:24,230 Speaker 1: of commitment I made. Lord, I will never disappoint you. 237 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,050 Speaker 1: I'll never fail you. And I never slept with anyone 238 00:12:27,070 --> 00:12:29,030 Speaker 1: until I was married. I didn't drink. I didn't do 239 00:12:29,090 --> 00:12:31,430 Speaker 1: any of those things, but not for the right reasons. 240 00:12:31,970 --> 00:12:34,130 Speaker 1: It wasn't because I wanted to honor the Lord. It 241 00:12:34,170 --> 00:12:36,750 Speaker 1: was because I didn't want him to stop loving me. 242 00:12:38,050 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: But the interesting thing is when you bury your emotions, 243 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: when you shove them into the cellar of your soul, 244 00:12:43,670 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: You've buried them alive. They're still there. And they will 245 00:12:47,140 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 1: deal with you until you deal with them. So I 246 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: end up over here in America. I'm the co-host of 247 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,380 Speaker 1: the 700 Club. Yeah. You know, a show that believes 248 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 1: in praying for healing and miracles. And I am disappearing 249 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,370 Speaker 1: a little bit more every single day. I had never 250 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,470 Speaker 1: heard of clinical depression, but I would go to the 251 00:13:03,530 --> 00:13:06,030 Speaker 1: ATM machine and I couldn't remember my four digit pin. 252 00:13:06,730 --> 00:13:09,510 Speaker 1: I would be interviewing a guest and halfway through the conversation, 253 00:13:09,530 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: I would think, I don't remember who you are and 254 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:13,900 Speaker 1: I don't remember what I'm supposed to be asking you. 255 00:13:14,580 --> 00:13:20,950 Speaker 1: More than anything, this overwhelming sadness. And so I called 256 00:13:21,020 --> 00:13:23,390 Speaker 1: a friend of mine because one day I fell apart 257 00:13:23,470 --> 00:13:26,690 Speaker 1: actually on a live television show and I had to 258 00:13:26,910 --> 00:13:29,429 Speaker 1: leave the studio. And that night I called a friend 259 00:13:29,450 --> 00:13:32,730 Speaker 1: of mine, Henry Cloud, you know Henry. And I said, Henry, 260 00:13:32,750 --> 00:13:35,449 Speaker 1: I think I'm losing my mind. And he said, you're not, 261 00:13:35,470 --> 00:13:39,100 Speaker 1: but you need some help. And so that morning, I'm 262 00:13:39,179 --> 00:13:42,300 Speaker 1: co-hosting the 700 Club that evening. I'm in the locked 263 00:13:42,340 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: ward of a psychiatric hospital. And I felt as if 264 00:13:45,179 --> 00:13:47,860 Speaker 1: I'd gone to hell. Because as far as I was concerned, 265 00:13:47,900 --> 00:13:50,700 Speaker 1: my deal with God was off. I'll never let you 266 00:13:50,740 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 1: down and you'll never stop loving me. And here I 267 00:13:53,660 --> 00:13:56,179 Speaker 1: am in this place where it's quite clear the gig 268 00:13:56,230 --> 00:14:00,470 Speaker 1: is up. And I remember they told me that someone 269 00:14:00,490 --> 00:14:03,350 Speaker 1: would check on me every 15 minutes during the night. 270 00:14:03,370 --> 00:14:06,470 Speaker 1: I realized I was on suicide watch. But I didn't 271 00:14:06,490 --> 00:14:08,390 Speaker 1: get into the bed because I thought, I think I've 272 00:14:08,410 --> 00:14:11,450 Speaker 1: just made the worst decision of my life. My dad 273 00:14:11,670 --> 00:14:14,270 Speaker 1: took his own life in a psych hospital. I think 274 00:14:14,290 --> 00:14:17,270 Speaker 1: that's what I'm supposed to do. So I took the 275 00:14:17,309 --> 00:14:19,510 Speaker 1: blanket off and I sat in the corner of the room. 276 00:14:20,570 --> 00:14:23,790 Speaker 1: And I could hear people coming to the door and 277 00:14:24,590 --> 00:14:27,270 Speaker 1: I didn't pay attention. But at three o'clock in the morning, 278 00:14:27,910 --> 00:14:30,270 Speaker 1: the person who came in, they didn't stay at the door. 279 00:14:30,550 --> 00:14:32,610 Speaker 1: They walked all the way over to where I was sitting. 280 00:14:32,630 --> 00:14:34,690 Speaker 1: And when I saw their feet, by my feet, I 281 00:14:34,730 --> 00:14:39,010 Speaker 1: looked up. It looked maybe like a doctor going off duty, 282 00:14:39,850 --> 00:14:41,950 Speaker 1: but he was holding something in his hand and he 283 00:14:41,990 --> 00:14:44,030 Speaker 1: gave it to me. And it was something you give 284 00:14:44,070 --> 00:14:47,250 Speaker 1: a child. It was a little stuffed lamb. And he 285 00:14:47,330 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: turned around and he walked back to the door and 286 00:14:49,740 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: he stopped and he turned around and he looked at 287 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:56,220 Speaker 1: me and he said, Sheila, the shepherd knows where to 288 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: find you. I was there for a month. I never 289 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: saw him again. I believe it was an angel. I 290 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: believe God sent an angel to let me know there 291 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,220 Speaker 1: is no place you can go that's too deep or 292 00:15:07,300 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: too dark for the love of God. I remember writing 293 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,610 Speaker 1: in my Bible that night at the back, same Bible 294 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,890 Speaker 1: I've still got, I never knew you lived so close 295 00:15:16,930 --> 00:15:20,130 Speaker 1: to the floor. So used to worshiping God in his 296 00:15:20,210 --> 00:15:23,270 Speaker 1: majesty as we should, but I began to understand the 297 00:15:23,350 --> 00:15:26,730 Speaker 1: truth of Psalm 34, the Lord is close to the 298 00:15:26,830 --> 00:15:32,270 Speaker 1: brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit. That honestly, Zach, 299 00:15:32,590 --> 00:15:34,310 Speaker 1: was a life-changing moment for me. 300 00:15:34,330 --> 00:15:38,260 Speaker 2: I can only imagine how personal, how intimate that moment 301 00:15:38,300 --> 00:15:40,660 Speaker 2: was with God when you got a revelation of who 302 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: he is, that he is close to the brokenhearted, that 303 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 2: he will never leave us nor forsake us, that we 304 00:15:44,980 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 2: don't even have to invite him into our pain because 305 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,190 Speaker 2: he already lives there. He already lives that close to 306 00:15:50,210 --> 00:15:52,510 Speaker 2: the floor. The shepherd knows where to find you. But 307 00:15:52,530 --> 00:15:54,350 Speaker 2: then Sheila, I want to ask, because there might be 308 00:15:54,410 --> 00:15:56,950 Speaker 2: somebody out there who maybe has had that moment, but 309 00:15:56,990 --> 00:16:00,250 Speaker 2: when you go through such pain and we've experienced such 310 00:16:00,330 --> 00:16:03,710 Speaker 2: deep trauma, the process of healing is going to take 311 00:16:03,750 --> 00:16:05,510 Speaker 2: a lot of time. It's going to take the right people. 312 00:16:05,550 --> 00:16:08,450 Speaker 2: It's going to take continuing to surrender yourself and your 313 00:16:08,490 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 2: journey over to God, what did this journey of healing 314 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:13,260 Speaker 2: begin to look like for you? 315 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: That's a great question, Zach. And honestly, it was a 316 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,980 Speaker 1: few things. Number one, first of all, my psychiatrist wanted 317 00:16:19,020 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: to put me on medication. And I was like, no, 318 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,710 Speaker 1: thank you. I don't want your happy pills. I don't 319 00:16:23,750 --> 00:16:26,310 Speaker 1: want to wander around talking to some imaginary dog and 320 00:16:26,370 --> 00:16:28,870 Speaker 1: drooling on myself. And he said, no, those are street drugs. 321 00:16:28,910 --> 00:16:30,090 Speaker 1: We don't do those in here. 322 00:16:30,110 --> 00:16:30,410 Speaker 2: Yeah. 323 00:16:31,050 --> 00:16:34,630 Speaker 1: He explained to me basics of brain chemistry that I 324 00:16:34,690 --> 00:16:37,670 Speaker 1: simply was not producing enough serotonin. And he said, this 325 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,510 Speaker 1: will bring you to a level when you can begin 326 00:16:39,580 --> 00:16:42,620 Speaker 1: to deal with what's going on in your life. So 327 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: I spent a month in that hospital. And it was, 328 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: sometimes God will take you to prison to set you free. 329 00:16:47,500 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, it's one of my, I'm so grateful 330 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: for that. And the interesting thing, Zach, was we were 331 00:16:54,580 --> 00:16:56,500 Speaker 1: in a small group. There was maybe 10 of us 332 00:16:56,580 --> 00:16:58,500 Speaker 1: at the time. And it was a Christian unit within 333 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,870 Speaker 1: a psych hospital. And one was a pastor who had 334 00:17:03,450 --> 00:17:07,530 Speaker 1: a secret life, homosexual, had contracted the AIDS virus and 335 00:17:07,550 --> 00:17:09,630 Speaker 1: given it to his wife, felt his life was over. 336 00:17:10,369 --> 00:17:12,449 Speaker 1: One was a missionary, and she didn't speak till the 337 00:17:12,510 --> 00:17:14,870 Speaker 1: very last day. I kept thinking, what is up with you? 338 00:17:15,570 --> 00:17:18,060 Speaker 1: She just sat there and never said a word until 339 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: the very last day when she picked up her chair 340 00:17:20,940 --> 00:17:22,820 Speaker 1: and she threw it across the room. And I was like, 341 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:24,860 Speaker 1: all righty, here we go. 342 00:17:24,980 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 2: Whoa. 343 00:17:26,250 --> 00:17:28,530 Speaker 1: And I found out the reason she'd become a missionary 344 00:17:28,570 --> 00:17:30,929 Speaker 1: was she was raped when she was 12 by her 345 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,260 Speaker 1: sister's husband. And she thought it was her fault. So 346 00:17:34,300 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 1: she said, I'll become a missionary just to show you 347 00:17:36,940 --> 00:17:39,500 Speaker 1: that I'm sorry. And she hated it. And she'd ended 348 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,740 Speaker 1: up in that place. So community was huge for me. 349 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,820 Speaker 1: I call it the companionship of brokenness. Or as my 350 00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: friend Brennan Manning used to say to me, those whose 351 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:54,670 Speaker 1: cheese keeps falling off their crackers. was me but then 352 00:17:54,970 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: after I continued with counselling and to this day I 353 00:17:58,820 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: still do not all the time but if I hit 354 00:18:01,300 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: an issue or say my husband Barry and I are 355 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: going through an issue in our marriage we've been married 356 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: 31 years and I adore him but every now and 357 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:13,369 Speaker 1: again we get stuck at something I love just the 358 00:18:13,550 --> 00:18:17,270 Speaker 1: input of a godly counsellor and also being part of 359 00:18:17,310 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: a local church I think when Covid happened I mean, 360 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,030 Speaker 1: I loved the first few months of COVID because I 361 00:18:23,050 --> 00:18:25,510 Speaker 1: was used to traveling. I stayed in my pajamas for 362 00:18:25,530 --> 00:18:26,369 Speaker 1: like three months. 363 00:18:26,430 --> 00:18:27,350 Speaker 2: Right, it slowed us down. 364 00:18:28,250 --> 00:18:30,489 Speaker 1: And then I remember thinking, that's probably not good. So 365 00:18:30,510 --> 00:18:32,930 Speaker 1: then I had daytime pajamas and nighttime pajamas. 366 00:18:32,950 --> 00:18:34,550 Speaker 2: There we go. It has changed. 367 00:18:35,250 --> 00:18:37,090 Speaker 1: But, you know, you can get into the habit of thinking, 368 00:18:37,130 --> 00:18:38,510 Speaker 1: you know, I could just sit at home with a 369 00:18:38,550 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: cup of coffee and I'll watch church. It is not 370 00:18:41,580 --> 00:18:45,860 Speaker 1: the same. Scripture tells us do not neglect meeting together 371 00:18:46,140 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: as time draws nigh. So I think being part of 372 00:18:48,780 --> 00:18:52,170 Speaker 1: the local body and then, Also having what I call 373 00:18:52,210 --> 00:18:55,210 Speaker 1: a safe sisterhood. I have three women in my life 374 00:18:55,630 --> 00:18:59,410 Speaker 1: who know everything about me and I know everything about them. 375 00:19:00,050 --> 00:19:02,270 Speaker 1: And we jump on a Zoom call once a month. 376 00:19:02,910 --> 00:19:06,859 Speaker 1: And honestly, sometimes like 2025 was hard for me. I 377 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,780 Speaker 1: went through a year of struggling again. I was taking 378 00:19:09,820 --> 00:19:13,740 Speaker 1: the same medication. I was struggling. And so sometimes I 379 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: would say to the girls, I'm not joining you today. 380 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,940 Speaker 1: And they would be, get your butt on that seat 381 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: and get on the call. And we would pray for 382 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,419 Speaker 1: one another and talk to each other. Then one of 383 00:19:24,460 --> 00:19:26,780 Speaker 1: them went through cancer journey. We were there for her. 384 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:28,940 Speaker 1: I think it's so important to have one or two 385 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: people in your life you trust that you can tell 386 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: the truth to. Yes. That are not going to go 387 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,660 Speaker 1: share it with everybody else as a prayer request. 388 00:19:36,010 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 389 00:19:36,609 --> 00:19:39,130 Speaker 1: But will hold you accountable and remind you of what 390 00:19:39,190 --> 00:19:41,910 Speaker 1: is always true, no matter what might be true for 391 00:19:41,950 --> 00:19:42,369 Speaker 1: a moment. 392 00:19:42,609 --> 00:19:44,149 Speaker 2: So powerful. Safe sisterhood. 393 00:19:44,290 --> 00:19:44,490 Speaker 1: Yeah. 394 00:19:44,670 --> 00:19:45,550 Speaker 2: A band of brothers. 395 00:19:45,730 --> 00:19:45,850 Speaker 1: Yeah. 396 00:19:45,869 --> 00:19:48,169 Speaker 2: Whatever it is, finding people in your life that you 397 00:19:48,210 --> 00:19:49,969 Speaker 2: can go to, that you can be real with. Yeah. 398 00:19:50,020 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 2: honest with, authentic with, because we can't do this life alone. 399 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 2: The very first thing that God said was not good. 400 00:19:55,100 --> 00:19:59,169 Speaker 2: Genesis 2.18 was to that man be alone. We need 401 00:19:59,350 --> 00:20:01,629 Speaker 2: people in our lives. My dad would remind me, I 402 00:20:01,670 --> 00:20:04,670 Speaker 2: say it often, he would always tell me as a kid, Zach, 403 00:20:04,730 --> 00:20:07,430 Speaker 2: you can't do life alone because you're just not that good. 404 00:20:07,570 --> 00:20:10,510 Speaker 2: And he would remind me, nobody is because we weren't 405 00:20:10,550 --> 00:20:13,450 Speaker 2: made to do life that way. Sheila, I'm just thinking 406 00:20:13,470 --> 00:20:16,330 Speaker 2: about you and your story from the 700 Club, where 407 00:20:16,369 --> 00:20:18,340 Speaker 2: maybe it was a little bit more of that performance 408 00:20:18,380 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 2: mindset of, I have to do these things. I have 409 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,859 Speaker 2: to honor God. So that way he's proud of me. 410 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 2: That way he won't abandon me. To now what you're 411 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,980 Speaker 2: doing by continuing to lead all these shows better together 412 00:20:28,020 --> 00:20:30,900 Speaker 2: and praise on TBN. I'm just interested, like, how has 413 00:20:30,940 --> 00:20:34,850 Speaker 2: the mindset shifted as your identity has been found and 414 00:20:34,930 --> 00:20:37,550 Speaker 2: rooted and anchored in God throughout this healing journey? 415 00:20:37,869 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 1: One of the most liberating things for me. I was 416 00:20:40,540 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: doing a study of all four gospels to see how 417 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: many stories are in all the gospels, how many stories 418 00:20:46,420 --> 00:20:48,660 Speaker 1: are in just two gospels, or maybe just like Luke 419 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,900 Speaker 1: is the only one who records that Jesus sweat blood 420 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 1: because he was a doctor. That was significant to him. 421 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,300 Speaker 1: But I found that the story of the feeding of 422 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: the 5,000 is in all four gospels. And I'm like, okay, 423 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: so what's the big deal about that, Lord? So I 424 00:21:01,820 --> 00:21:05,300 Speaker 1: read it in all the different translations, all the different Matthew, Mark, Luke, 425 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,869 Speaker 1: and John, and I noticed one thing. that when Jesus 426 00:21:08,910 --> 00:21:11,150 Speaker 1: says to the disciples, you know, these people are hungry, 427 00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:15,649 Speaker 1: you need to feed them. And they say, Lord, if 428 00:21:15,690 --> 00:21:17,370 Speaker 1: we work for a year, we can't make enough money 429 00:21:17,410 --> 00:21:19,750 Speaker 1: to feed this. Because if there's 5,000 men, there's at 430 00:21:19,790 --> 00:21:21,290 Speaker 1: least 8,000 or 9,000 people. 431 00:21:21,330 --> 00:21:21,690 Speaker 2: That's right. 432 00:21:21,930 --> 00:21:23,730 Speaker 1: And let's face it, if you've got women there, you've 433 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,820 Speaker 1: got snacks. I mean, trust me, there was food on 434 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,419 Speaker 1: the hillside, but nobody felt it was enough. But what 435 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: Jesus asked Philip is, what do you have? And this 436 00:21:33,619 --> 00:21:36,860 Speaker 1: little boy said, offered up his lunch. So every time 437 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,899 Speaker 1: I did it this morning, Zach, before I left to 438 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,970 Speaker 1: come here, I do it every day is I will 439 00:21:42,350 --> 00:21:45,250 Speaker 1: hold up my hands and I'll say, Lord, under catered 440 00:21:45,570 --> 00:21:49,010 Speaker 1: one more time. Because he doesn't ask us to do everything. 441 00:21:49,050 --> 00:21:51,890 Speaker 1: He just says, what do you have? And then he 442 00:21:51,950 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: does what only he can do. He blesses it and 443 00:21:54,900 --> 00:21:57,139 Speaker 1: he breaks it and he feeds his people. 444 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 2: You know, when I think about that passage of scripture, 445 00:22:00,660 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 2: I was in a plane flying to down actually to 446 00:22:02,910 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 2: our first e-woman of the year in Jacksonville. And while 447 00:22:05,740 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 2: I was on the way down, I was reading Mark 448 00:22:07,619 --> 00:22:09,860 Speaker 2: chapter eight. And it was the reference of right after 449 00:22:09,900 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 2: he had fed the 5,000, Jesus is then teaching and 450 00:22:12,820 --> 00:22:15,220 Speaker 2: preaching of the good news. And all of these people, 451 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:19,610 Speaker 2: and it's about 4,000 they approximate. And Jesus has just what, 452 00:22:19,770 --> 00:22:22,250 Speaker 2: seven loaves of bread. And the disciples are thinking to themselves, 453 00:22:22,290 --> 00:22:25,450 Speaker 2: like how in the world is he gonna feed 4,000 454 00:22:25,450 --> 00:22:27,620 Speaker 2: people with seven loaves? And I'm thinking to myself, did 455 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,930 Speaker 2: he not just do this with 5,000? You know what 456 00:22:29,970 --> 00:22:31,890 Speaker 2: I mean? Just a couple of days prior in front 457 00:22:31,910 --> 00:22:35,390 Speaker 2: of these same dudes and they're questioning him and he's 458 00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:38,750 Speaker 2: able to feed them. And there's actually now seven baskets 459 00:22:38,790 --> 00:22:42,030 Speaker 2: of abundance after he feeds the 4,000 this time. It 460 00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 2: says immediately after scripture literally makes it a point to 461 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: say immediately after he gets done teaching, they get on 462 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 2: a boat and they're going out and they're fishing, they're 463 00:22:49,900 --> 00:22:53,570 Speaker 2: going on journey. And the disciples are like, They're grumbling 464 00:22:53,630 --> 00:22:56,050 Speaker 2: underneath their breath at one another and they're mad about something. 465 00:22:56,090 --> 00:22:57,590 Speaker 2: And Jesus knows what they're mad at. But, you know, 466 00:22:57,630 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 2: he always asks because he wants to hear specifically from them. 467 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 2: And they said they're mad because they had forgotten their bread. 468 00:23:04,180 --> 00:23:05,820 Speaker 2: They only had one loaf. And they're like, how are 469 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 2: we going to share one loaf amongst ourselves? And they're 470 00:23:07,900 --> 00:23:11,830 Speaker 2: mad at each other. And Jesus asked them this question. 471 00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:13,650 Speaker 2: Do you not remember? 472 00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:14,170 Speaker 1: Wow. 473 00:23:14,890 --> 00:23:17,869 Speaker 2: Like, have you already forgotten? Because if you have, then 474 00:23:18,290 --> 00:23:21,790 Speaker 2: you're missing the point. This idea of, I just did 475 00:23:21,850 --> 00:23:24,130 Speaker 2: these things in front of you, but how quickly we 476 00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:26,379 Speaker 2: are to forget. I think those are the two biggest 477 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,420 Speaker 2: things that Satan uses, right? Fear and forgetfulness to get 478 00:23:30,500 --> 00:23:32,340 Speaker 2: us to a breaking point in our lives where we 479 00:23:32,380 --> 00:23:34,959 Speaker 2: feel like we have to do life on our own. 480 00:23:34,980 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 2: I want to transition for a moment about this idea 481 00:23:37,790 --> 00:23:40,830 Speaker 2: of not forgetting the hope of heaven and how this 482 00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:44,409 Speaker 2: hope has transformed your life. It's transformed your mindset. It's 483 00:23:44,450 --> 00:23:48,290 Speaker 2: transformed your teaching. It's transformed everything that you do to 484 00:23:48,350 --> 00:23:51,290 Speaker 2: really reshape the way that you now live your life. 485 00:23:51,369 --> 00:23:53,909 Speaker 2: How does She Led the Hope of Heaven transform the 486 00:23:53,930 --> 00:23:55,390 Speaker 2: way that we should ought to live? 487 00:23:55,850 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: Changes everything. When I was a teenager, obviously I wanted 488 00:24:00,500 --> 00:24:03,260 Speaker 1: to go to heaven because it's preferable to the alternative. 489 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: But I remember thinking, it's going to be so boring. 490 00:24:06,460 --> 00:24:08,859 Speaker 1: So I actually said to my mom one day, I'm 491 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,740 Speaker 1: about 16 and I say, mom, I know this probably 492 00:24:11,820 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: won't happen, but if by any chance I die before you, 493 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,100 Speaker 1: will you bury me with some books? She's like, why 494 00:24:18,140 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: do you want to be buried with books? I'm like, well, 495 00:24:20,020 --> 00:24:21,900 Speaker 1: just have something to read when I get up there. 496 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,260 Speaker 1: I had so little understanding of what heaven was really like. 497 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,700 Speaker 1: Every single longing in our human heart, I'm thinking of 498 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,020 Speaker 1: my mom. She wanted to be a teacher, but her 499 00:24:31,060 --> 00:24:33,820 Speaker 1: dad had Alzheimer's. So she left school at 15 to 500 00:24:33,859 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: help take care. I believe that in heaven, we're not 501 00:24:38,140 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 1: just going to be floating around singing Kumbaya and he'll 502 00:24:41,380 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: be coming around the mountain. We will live the life 503 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,810 Speaker 1: that we were always designed and called to live, but perfectly. 504 00:24:48,190 --> 00:24:51,970 Speaker 1: Artists will paint with colors we've never seen. Musicians will 505 00:24:52,010 --> 00:24:55,130 Speaker 1: write with notes that we've never heard before and we'll 506 00:24:55,150 --> 00:24:58,470 Speaker 1: get to rule and reign with Christ. It will be, 507 00:24:58,850 --> 00:25:02,699 Speaker 1: but here's what I love. There's a little verse that 508 00:25:02,740 --> 00:25:06,460 Speaker 1: people often quote and it's like, Jesus said, well done, 509 00:25:06,500 --> 00:25:08,780 Speaker 1: good and faithful servant. And I wanted to know, well, 510 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,260 Speaker 1: When did he say that? He said it in Matthew 25, 511 00:25:12,260 --> 00:25:14,419 Speaker 1: at the Olivet Discourse, when he's on the Mount of 512 00:25:14,530 --> 00:25:17,230 Speaker 1: Olives with his disciples and the end is near. And 513 00:25:17,270 --> 00:25:19,190 Speaker 1: he tells them the story of a master goes away 514 00:25:19,210 --> 00:25:22,149 Speaker 1: and he gives to one servant five talents, gives to 515 00:25:22,250 --> 00:25:25,429 Speaker 1: one two, and he gives to one one. And when 516 00:25:25,470 --> 00:25:27,729 Speaker 1: he comes back, the one who had five now has ten. 517 00:25:28,170 --> 00:25:31,950 Speaker 1: And Jesus says, well done, good and faithful servant, enter 518 00:25:31,970 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: into the joy. The one who had two now has four. 519 00:25:35,859 --> 00:25:38,859 Speaker 1: He says exactly the same to him. He doesn't say, well, 520 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,540 Speaker 1: it's not quite as good as 10. He says, well done, 521 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: good and faithful servant. But the one who has one 522 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: buried it. And the only way to understand the story 523 00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:51,020 Speaker 1: for me is to read what he says to the master. 524 00:25:51,980 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: I don't think you're fair. I think you're unkind. I 525 00:25:54,380 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: think you want to take what you haven't put in. 526 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,540 Speaker 1: I think you're cruel. I think when you misunderstand the 527 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 1: character of God, it impacts the whole way you live 528 00:26:03,700 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 1: your life. Whereas when you understand it doesn't matter if 529 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: God has given you two talents or one hundred and 530 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,020 Speaker 1: two talents. All he'll ask is, what did you do 531 00:26:12,300 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: with what I gave you? 532 00:26:13,780 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 2: I think so often, Sheila, we have an improper theology 533 00:26:16,700 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 2: of suffering. 534 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. 535 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 2: I'm thinking of Romans 8, 28. It's a promise that 536 00:26:20,660 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 2: so many of us know. It's the bumper sticker we 537 00:26:22,380 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 2: put on the back of our cars. We know that 538 00:26:23,869 --> 00:26:25,709 Speaker 2: all things work together for the good of those who 539 00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:27,669 Speaker 2: love God and who have been called according to his purpose. 540 00:26:27,710 --> 00:26:30,790 Speaker 2: And that word good, I think we have a different 541 00:26:30,810 --> 00:26:33,530 Speaker 2: definition sometimes than God does. When we hear the word 542 00:26:33,670 --> 00:26:38,830 Speaker 2: good in just our carnal minds, we think of like easy, comfortable, convenient, successful, 543 00:26:39,010 --> 00:26:40,669 Speaker 2: all of these things that come to mind when you 544 00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 2: hear the word good. But then God defines it in 545 00:26:43,619 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 2: the very next verse. In verse 29 of Romans chapter eight, 546 00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:48,530 Speaker 2: it says, for those he foreknew, he also predestined that 547 00:26:48,550 --> 00:26:51,090 Speaker 2: we would be conformed to the image of his son. 548 00:26:51,930 --> 00:26:54,670 Speaker 2: So whatever might conform us to the image of Christ 549 00:26:55,550 --> 00:26:58,909 Speaker 2: ultimately can be used for our good and his glory. 550 00:26:59,350 --> 00:27:01,310 Speaker 2: And so we have to begin to shift the way 551 00:27:01,330 --> 00:27:03,729 Speaker 2: that we see things, shifting our perspective. And I'm just 552 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 2: thinking about heaven. There's a lot of people out there, Sheila, 553 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 2: who feel like they don't have much hope and they 554 00:27:08,820 --> 00:27:11,820 Speaker 2: feel like they're desperate for healing because all they've experienced 555 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 2: is maybe what they would perceive as hurting. The person 556 00:27:15,180 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 2: out there, Do you believe that we experience full and 557 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 2: complete healing when we enter the gates of heaven? 558 00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: Absolutely. One of my dearest friends on earth, we met, oh, 559 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,189 Speaker 1: I don't know, 40 years ago, Johnny Erickson Tata. 560 00:27:28,270 --> 00:27:29,070 Speaker 2: Yes. 561 00:27:29,090 --> 00:27:31,350 Speaker 1: I was a rocker back then. I had short purple 562 00:27:31,390 --> 00:27:33,230 Speaker 1: hair and a leather jacket, and she had on this 563 00:27:33,270 --> 00:27:37,390 Speaker 1: beautiful suit and a silk scarf. We immediately bonded. Our hearts, 564 00:27:37,450 --> 00:27:40,590 Speaker 1: I just love her. And we've talked about that. She 565 00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:44,300 Speaker 1: said that the amazing thing is, the first time she'll 566 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,090 Speaker 1: get to run will be into the arms of Jesus. 567 00:27:46,350 --> 00:27:46,909 Speaker 2: Wow. 568 00:27:46,970 --> 00:27:51,090 Speaker 1: And I think of my friend Jennifer Rothschild, where she's blind, 569 00:27:51,250 --> 00:27:52,830 Speaker 1: and she said that the first person I'll get to 570 00:27:52,869 --> 00:27:55,490 Speaker 1: see will be the face of Jesus. Whatever you're living 571 00:27:55,530 --> 00:27:58,670 Speaker 1: with right now. And that's why, you know, when Paul 572 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 1: says these are light and momentary troubles, when I read 573 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,939 Speaker 1: that at first, I thought, well, hang on a minute, Paul. 574 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,260 Speaker 1: Some of this stuff's not light and momentary. Some of 575 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: it's really hard. But there's a little clue given because 576 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,820 Speaker 1: he was taken and given a vision of heaven. He says, 577 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,870 Speaker 1: whether I was actually in my body or out my body, 578 00:28:16,900 --> 00:28:20,230 Speaker 1: I don't honestly know. But he saw things and he 579 00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:22,409 Speaker 1: heard things he was not allowed to talk about, but 580 00:28:22,450 --> 00:28:25,450 Speaker 1: it changed everything. And so because of what he saw, 581 00:28:25,970 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: he could say, hold on. These are light. And once 582 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: you see what's waiting for us, these are light and 583 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 1: momentary troubles. 584 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,700 Speaker 2: It's the same as the book of Job. When Job 585 00:28:35,780 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 2: is going through all this doubting and this wrestling, he's 586 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 2: lost everything. I mean, you can only imagine the grief 587 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,270 Speaker 2: in the morning and just the hardship that he's trying 588 00:28:43,290 --> 00:28:45,930 Speaker 2: to navigate in his life. But in the last chapter, 589 00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:49,230 Speaker 2: after God, finally Job gives God the opportunity to speak 590 00:28:49,290 --> 00:28:52,060 Speaker 2: and God, he slams him to be completely honest with you, right? 591 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,060 Speaker 2: He's telling him, he's reminding him of who he is 592 00:28:54,100 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 2: and the power that he holds and possesses. But then 593 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 2: in chapter 42, the last chapter of the book in 594 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 2: verse five, Job says, you know what, God, I had 595 00:29:01,180 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 2: heard of you with my ears, but now I have 596 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,110 Speaker 2: seen you with my eyes. Even in the midst of 597 00:29:06,180 --> 00:29:08,729 Speaker 2: great pain, he had seen the goodness of God. My 598 00:29:08,770 --> 00:29:11,790 Speaker 2: dad would always say, that it's moments of powerlessness that 599 00:29:11,810 --> 00:29:14,770 Speaker 2: draw us closer to and reveal the character of God's 600 00:29:14,810 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 2: heart the most. Sheila, you have continued to impact, as 601 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 2: I mentioned, countless lives with your testimony, which is one 602 00:29:21,740 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 2: of the most powerful, impactful testimonies I have ever heard 603 00:29:24,820 --> 00:29:27,170 Speaker 2: to date. And I'm so grateful again, by the way, 604 00:29:27,210 --> 00:29:30,490 Speaker 2: that it moves me. But with these books, with your testimony, 605 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 2: you've also accompanied a lot of different resources, different kind 606 00:29:33,740 --> 00:29:37,250 Speaker 2: of workbooks, and just the Bible studies, eight-week studies that 607 00:29:37,270 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 2: just help walk us alongside of the Lord to deepen 608 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,420 Speaker 2: our relationship with God. I'm thinking of holding on when 609 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,660 Speaker 2: you want to let go, praying women, it's okay not 610 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,020 Speaker 2: to be okay. But most recently, this Hope of Heaven 611 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 2: Bible study series. Help us understand what is unique about 612 00:29:52,220 --> 00:29:54,900 Speaker 2: these studies, and how are they a good partner and 613 00:29:54,980 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 2: pair to the books themselves? 614 00:29:56,940 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: One of the things I love about an event like 615 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,230 Speaker 1: eWomen is, you know, after I speak, I'll get to 616 00:30:02,390 --> 00:30:04,550 Speaker 1: hang out in the concourse and actually talk to people 617 00:30:04,890 --> 00:30:07,570 Speaker 1: face to face. When I write a book, you know, 618 00:30:07,610 --> 00:30:09,830 Speaker 1: and you put it out there and you think, gosh, 619 00:30:09,850 --> 00:30:11,110 Speaker 1: I wish I could sit down and have a cup 620 00:30:11,150 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: of coffee with you because you must have questions. One woman, 621 00:30:15,540 --> 00:30:18,100 Speaker 1: I wrote something in a book and I bumped into 622 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: her in the mall and she said, you wrote something 623 00:30:19,860 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: in a book that's not true. And I said, oh, wow, 624 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,940 Speaker 1: tell me. She said, you said God's all powerful and 625 00:30:24,980 --> 00:30:26,090 Speaker 1: you said God is loving. 626 00:30:26,370 --> 00:30:26,479 Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. 627 00:30:26,620 --> 00:30:28,580 Speaker 1: And I said, why are those not true? She said, 628 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,980 Speaker 1: because I've buried two sons. So you're going to have 629 00:30:31,020 --> 00:30:34,060 Speaker 1: to choose one lady. Either he's good or he's powerful. 630 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: He can't be both. And I sat with her for 631 00:30:37,260 --> 00:30:40,030 Speaker 1: a couple of hours and it was an amazing time together. 632 00:30:40,530 --> 00:30:42,210 Speaker 1: But the Bible study is a way of trying to 633 00:30:42,330 --> 00:30:44,870 Speaker 1: unpack the stuff, you know, because we can share things 634 00:30:44,910 --> 00:30:46,490 Speaker 1: in a book, but it's then saying, OK, but what 635 00:30:46,530 --> 00:30:49,350 Speaker 1: does God's word say about that? Because, you know, I've 636 00:30:49,390 --> 00:30:52,230 Speaker 1: lived a lot of years, but I'm a human being. 637 00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:54,490 Speaker 1: I'm frail. I will get to heaven and think, oh, 638 00:30:54,530 --> 00:30:56,850 Speaker 1: that didn't matter. I thought that was a big deal, God. 639 00:30:57,410 --> 00:30:59,890 Speaker 1: But the word of God will never fail us. So 640 00:30:59,910 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: being able to unpack the word of God with people, 641 00:31:02,210 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: it feels much more like I'm sitting down with you 642 00:31:04,660 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: having a cup of tea. 643 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,660 Speaker 2: I love that. Sheila, where can our audience go to 644 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 2: find out not just more about you, but maybe to 645 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,820 Speaker 2: pick up a copy of your book, but also one 646 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:12,620 Speaker 2: of these Bible studies? 647 00:31:13,620 --> 00:31:15,980 Speaker 1: You can go to Amazon.com, but also if you go 648 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,460 Speaker 1: to SheilaWalsh.com, I think most of the Bible studies there 649 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,700 Speaker 1: are free. So you don't, and you don't even have 650 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: to buy the book. If you just want to do 651 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:24,780 Speaker 1: the Bible study, do the Bible study. 652 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,900 Speaker 2: Sheila Walsh.com. Sheila, how I want to wrap up our 653 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,230 Speaker 2: time together today is again, I just, I always love 654 00:31:30,270 --> 00:31:32,910 Speaker 2: to allow our guests to share a pressing word that 655 00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:34,510 Speaker 2: God has placed on their heart for such a time 656 00:31:34,550 --> 00:31:37,310 Speaker 2: as this, but specifically who I'm thinking of today is 657 00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:39,970 Speaker 2: somebody out there who's been moved by who's been touched 658 00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:43,130 Speaker 2: and encouraged by your testimony, but then they continually are 659 00:31:43,170 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 2: looking at their circumstances and maybe they're questioning, is God real? 660 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 2: Is he good? Is he for me? Does he see me? 661 00:31:50,380 --> 00:31:52,719 Speaker 2: Does he hear me? Does he love me? They're disappointed. 662 00:31:52,740 --> 00:31:56,500 Speaker 2: They're discouraged. They're depleted with the life that they're currently living. 663 00:31:56,820 --> 00:31:59,420 Speaker 2: What's just the final word of hope that you would 664 00:31:59,460 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 2: give that person listening today? 665 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,420 Speaker 1: You know, one of the things I think is fascinating 666 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,050 Speaker 1: is when you begin, the more you begin to understand 667 00:32:07,130 --> 00:32:10,479 Speaker 1: who God is and his character, the more you can 668 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,370 Speaker 1: let everybody else off the hook in your life. So 669 00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:15,850 Speaker 1: often we think, I'm in this situation because that person 670 00:32:15,870 --> 00:32:18,290 Speaker 1: did that or that person did that. If you read 671 00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:21,570 Speaker 1: through the book of Genesis, when you get to Genesis 50, 672 00:32:21,570 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: and finally, you know Joseph, he was a young teenage 673 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,820 Speaker 1: kid who had more insight than wisdom, told his brothers, 674 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: you're all going to bow down, it'll be amazing. And 675 00:32:32,540 --> 00:32:34,940 Speaker 1: they despise him and they throw him into a well, 676 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,570 Speaker 1: they traffic him to Egypt. he's lied about there. He 677 00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:42,570 Speaker 1: ends up in prison. And at each single devastating place, 678 00:32:42,790 --> 00:32:47,209 Speaker 1: it says, and God was with him. We tend to think, well, 679 00:32:47,250 --> 00:32:48,770 Speaker 1: if God's with me, I'm getting out of here. No, 680 00:32:49,470 --> 00:32:51,450 Speaker 1: and God was with him. And at the end, he's 681 00:32:51,550 --> 00:32:53,820 Speaker 1: able to say to his brothers, look, I know you 682 00:32:53,860 --> 00:32:56,390 Speaker 1: meant this for evil. He didn't pretend. No, I know 683 00:32:56,450 --> 00:32:58,620 Speaker 1: it was a misunderstanding. He said, I get it. You 684 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: meant this for evil. But God intended it for good, 685 00:33:02,300 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: for the saving of many. 686 00:33:03,700 --> 00:33:07,190 Speaker 2: Man, Philippians 4, 6 says, be anxious for nothing, right? 687 00:33:07,530 --> 00:33:10,490 Speaker 2: One of the most misunderstood scriptures in the Bible. Be 688 00:33:10,670 --> 00:33:13,650 Speaker 2: anxious for nothing. And people are like, but that's hard 689 00:33:13,690 --> 00:33:15,590 Speaker 2: when the wheels feel like they're falling off my bus. 690 00:33:15,670 --> 00:33:17,690 Speaker 2: Be anxious for nothing, but in everything through prayer and 691 00:33:17,730 --> 00:33:21,010 Speaker 2: supplication with thanksgiving, make requests be made known unto God. 692 00:33:21,270 --> 00:33:23,270 Speaker 2: And you have to understand that Paul isn't writing this 693 00:33:23,390 --> 00:33:26,229 Speaker 2: from paradise. He's writing this from prison. And when you 694 00:33:26,270 --> 00:33:29,170 Speaker 2: go back, how that verse can be interpreted rightly is 695 00:33:29,550 --> 00:33:31,610 Speaker 2: is by going back just a couple of verses. Philippians 4, 696 00:33:31,610 --> 00:33:33,790 Speaker 2: verse 4. Rejoice in the Lord always. Again, I will 697 00:33:33,810 --> 00:33:35,969 Speaker 2: say rejoice. But then verse 5. Let your gentleness or 698 00:33:36,030 --> 00:33:40,100 Speaker 2: confidence be made known unto all people. Why? The Lord 699 00:33:40,690 --> 00:33:45,740 Speaker 2: is near. The Lord is near to the brokenhearted. James 4, 8. 700 00:33:45,740 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 2: When you lean into him, when you press into him, 701 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 2: when you draw near to him, he too will draw 702 00:33:49,740 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 2: near to you. That is the goodness of our God. Again, 703 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,420 Speaker 2: we don't just have to invite him into the midst 704 00:33:55,460 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 2: of our mess when he already lives there. Sheila Walsh, 705 00:33:58,260 --> 00:34:01,010 Speaker 2: my friend. You are a gift to the church. You 706 00:34:01,050 --> 00:34:02,510 Speaker 2: are a gift to our family. You are a gift 707 00:34:02,530 --> 00:34:04,770 Speaker 2: to our ministry here at Extraordinary Women and the American 708 00:34:04,790 --> 00:34:08,390 Speaker 2: Association of Christian Counselors. Thank you for, again, just being 709 00:34:08,469 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 2: raw and real and vulnerable and being rooted and anchored 710 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 2: in the truth of God's word. I hope you know 711 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,259 Speaker 2: how much we love and appreciate you, my friend. 712 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,859 Speaker 1: Thank you, Zach, and you are doing a fantastic job. 713 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, ma'am. We appreciate you. To all 714 00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:22,089 Speaker 2: of our Built Different audience, I just want to say 715 00:34:22,140 --> 00:34:23,870 Speaker 2: thank you guys so much for joining us. If you 716 00:34:23,890 --> 00:34:26,410 Speaker 2: heard anything from Sheila, I was encouraged by this idea 717 00:34:26,910 --> 00:34:30,380 Speaker 2: of holding fast and holding on to the truth of 718 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 2: God's word. Think about this. Hope is really the key 719 00:34:33,219 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 2: that bridges the gap between despair and resilience. Hold on 720 00:34:36,739 --> 00:34:37,760 Speaker 2: to the hope of heaven. 721 00:34:37,820 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: Why? 722 00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:40,649 Speaker 2: Because hope is a person and hope has a name 723 00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:43,450 Speaker 2: and his name is Jesus. I hope and pray that 724 00:34:43,489 --> 00:34:46,090 Speaker 2: you would cling to that hope today. Thank you for 725 00:34:46,110 --> 00:34:48,069 Speaker 2: joining us. We love being a part of your life.