1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 2: What if your wilderness wasn't a waste. What if the 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 2: desert season that you are in isn't for your destruction, 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 2: but it can actually be used to deepen your devotion 5 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 2: to the Lord, your trust in the Lord. It could 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 2: actually be used for something good and fruitful. That's what 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: my guests and I are diving into in today's episode. Hello, Hello, Hello, 8 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 2: ladies and gents, and welcome to this week's episode of 9 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 2: the Bottom Beloved Podcast. As always, it's your girl Kirby 10 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 2: Kelly back at it again, and I'm super excited because 11 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: our topic for today is about healing in the desert. 12 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 3: And I love. 13 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 2: This because, as you guys know, the desert is not 14 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 2: a fun place to be. Oftentimes we can see the 15 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 2: desert as punishment, we can see it as God's abandonment. 16 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 2: But what if it was really the place where we 17 00:00:55,880 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: can experience healing, His presence, a character to development and 18 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 2: growth and just the miraculous, the things that we never 19 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: knew could actually be possible but are possible with God. 20 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 2: And I'm so excited because I have my new friend 21 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: Christine de Claro. 22 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 3: Joining me today. We are going to be diving into 23 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 3: all of that and more. But Christine, welcome. 24 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 2: Can you just introduce yourself to the people who might 25 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 2: not know you and let them know a little bit 26 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 2: about like who you are, what you do, and what 27 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 2: you're passionate about. 28 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: Thank you, Kirby Well. I have been known mostly for 29 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: being a worship leader and a speaker and doing music. 30 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: I've had the blessing for twenty one years to be 31 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: in full itinerant ministry, going around the world worshiping and 32 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: just guiding people to Jesus through my story, which is 33 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: a story of how God makes beautiful things from broken pieces. 34 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: And I've had the pleasure of singing in three languages 35 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: so far, so English, Spanish, Portuguese, and just watching how 36 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: the Lord intertwines what we have in common in the 37 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: midst of all the different languages and culture. It's been 38 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: pretty cool. And now I'm an author, so there's that. 39 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 3: They accomplish, man, girl, that's awesome. Writing a book is 40 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 3: no easy labor of. 41 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,959 Speaker 1: Love, indeed, labor in every sense. 42 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 2: No literally, So I by the time that this episode 43 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 2: is out, I'll be due literally like in a month, 44 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 2: which is crazy with my first and I'm like, goodness, yeah, 45 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 2: it literally is a labor of love, though, like I've 46 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 2: written books and I'm about to birth a baby, and 47 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 2: I'm like, is different, but like it is a timely process, 48 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 2: both of them. 49 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 3: So it literally is a labor of love. 50 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: And you can't get any ahead of it. It just 51 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 1: needs to happen when it needs to happen. 52 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 3: It does. Well, that's so exciting. I'm so happy that 53 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 3: you have. 54 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: You know, you've taken the time to come on here 55 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 2: to talk about your new book on the podcast. It's 56 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 2: called Healing in the Desert, Finding Your Voice on the 57 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 2: Journey from Brokenness to Freedom, And I'm like, this is incredible. 58 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 3: It is a really good book, y'all. 59 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: And the ForWord is by Christine Kane, and I love 60 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 2: christ and Kane som me if she's got. 61 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: The samp of Christine Kane on it. 62 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: I know that this book's about to wreck me in 63 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 2: the best way, poussible. 64 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 3: So that's what we're diving into today. 65 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: But your book opens with a deeply vulnerable moment where 66 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 2: you said, you know, I struggle with the thought of 67 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: living tomorrow. Could you take us back to that season 68 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 2: and what was really happening beneath the surface in that season? 69 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, seven years ago, I was in a huge crossroads 70 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 1: in my emotional health because I had just given birth 71 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: to my second child, who was born very back to 72 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: back with my first child, who science said couldn't exist 73 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: because I had a serious situation with infertility due to endomantriosis. 74 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: So I had been diagnosed with a dead womb because 75 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: of my condition, and the Lord healed me supernaturally. I 76 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: went through this beautiful journey of faith and watching God 77 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: operate the impossible and make it possible. Then I have 78 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: these two children that I'm celebrating, and it's like, Wow, 79 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: God not just did a miracle with one, he gave 80 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: me two. So it's miracle. It's overabundance, and there's this 81 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: rejoicing happened in my spirit. However, my body was broken, 82 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: and thus my brain, my hormones, my emotions, my nervous system, 83 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: they were completely out of whack after those two berths, 84 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: not because of the births, but because of trauma that 85 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: I had been pulling ball in chain since I was 86 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: a little girl. Turns out that having survived sexual abuse 87 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: at the age of five, having survived my father to 88 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: addiction at the age of six, having been uprooted and 89 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: ripped out of everything I knew in New York where 90 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: I was born, to a new country in a new culture, 91 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico, and all the things that Snowball affected through 92 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,119 Speaker 1: my life after that just created what is known today 93 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: to be complex trauma. And so it was very deeply 94 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: harbored in my body and in my emotions. But growing 95 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: up I didn't have any tools or any knowledge that 96 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: that needed to be resolved. 97 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 2: To me. 98 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: It was just pray, fast, read the Bible, go to church, 99 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: and that was it. And though that is wonderful and 100 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: absolutely necessary for us as Christians, it proved not to 101 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: be enough for me, and it's proving not to be 102 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: enough for a lot of people around the world that 103 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: are suffering with their mental health because of old becoming 104 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: new and just compounding. So seven years ago I got 105 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: diagnosed with the severe postpartum depression after having both my 106 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: children back to back, triggers left and right with all 107 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: the things that I had been carrying in my inner child, 108 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: so to speak, the little girl that was wounded and 109 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: broken inside of me. Somehow was seeing the birthing a 110 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: little girl as a mirror and remembering in my body 111 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: all of this brokenness that I had thought that I'd forgotten. 112 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: So that threw me down a very quick detrimental spiral 113 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: of destruction where of course, you know, the enemy takes 114 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: advantages of our wounds and he likes to like put 115 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: dirt inside of them and infect us so that we 116 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: to make sure that we perish when we go through suffering. 117 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: And so then the whispers of you know, you're broken 118 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: and it's permanent, and you were meant to not be 119 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: a mom. God knew what he was doing with making 120 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: you infertile, which is alive from the pit of hell. 121 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: But I started believing that I don't know anybody else 122 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: that's been through something like this. I think I am damaged. 123 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: I am the problem. And if I'm the problem and 124 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: I'm damaged, that means I'm going to damage these precious 125 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,239 Speaker 1: children that were sent by the Lord for a purpose. 126 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: And so then there was this miss It was like 127 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: a spider web of like sticky harassing thoughts that very 128 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,799 Speaker 1: quickly evolved into suicide ideation. So that was me seven 129 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: years ago, and today I can say I bless the 130 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: Lord for the day I got diagnosed, because I was 131 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: able to put a name on what I needed to 132 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: pray for. I wasn't hiding in the darkness alone and 133 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: unaware anymore. I now had an educated awareness, and one 134 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: person who was my midwife, who had been through exactly 135 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: the same thing that I went through, was able to 136 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: identify it because she had the authority over it, because 137 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: she had already overcome it in the name of the Lord. 138 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: So she directed me in the right place that I 139 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: needed to go. She sent me to a spirit filled, anointed, 140 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: very discerning psychologist who was able to not just help 141 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: me recover in my brain, but also find the voice 142 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: of the Lord in the journey and serve as a 143 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: prayer partner when I needed it, as a guy when 144 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: I needed it, as somebody who would give me a 145 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: specific word of knowledge or something from the Bible that 146 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: I needed in that moment from the Spirit in the 147 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: midst of all the other things. And then five years later, 148 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: I came out of that desert understanding that my process 149 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: wasn't really for me. The byproduct and the bonus of 150 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: the process was my healing. And now I'm whole again. 151 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: I'm you know, Christina Clara two point oh much better 152 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: upgraded version. But the true purpose behind my pain was 153 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,719 Speaker 1: to be able to get an authority to get other 154 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: people out of it. And so that's where this season 155 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: of my life enters in. The Lord asked me to 156 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: put this on pen and paper and to provide those 157 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: guide posts so that other people can see, Oh, this 158 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: is but a desert. I'm not meant to see here forever. 159 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 1: This is something that if I allow the Lord to 160 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 1: teach me through it, it's going to give me an 161 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: authority and it's going to give me a mantle for 162 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: the next season. Not just for me, but for others. 163 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: This is actually God working all that bad and that yuckie, 164 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: and he's turning it to good. It's working together for good, 165 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: not just of me, but of those around me that 166 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: love the Lord and are called according to his purpose. 167 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: And so big picture is usually what comes out of 168 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: the desert. But like you say, nobody wants to go 169 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: through it. Nobody likes the idea of pain or revisiting pain. 170 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: The good thing is when you revisit pain with the 171 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: Holy Spirit, it's like he's the surgeon and he starts 172 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: pulling out those things that have been hurting you for 173 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: so long so that they don't hurt again. And they're 174 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: in the blessing of the desert. 175 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 3: Amen. 176 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 2: And I love that that is your approach to this, 177 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 2: because I think so many people like you said, because 178 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 2: of their pain, whether it's the present season that they're 179 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 2: in or the past seasons, and it's like these things 180 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 2: get brought up again and it's like, uh, I didn't 181 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 2: know I was not over this. I didn't know that 182 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 2: this was actually affecting me in all these ways. It 183 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 2: can be such a hindrance where we just feel stuck 184 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 2: in this place. It feels perpetual and kind of. 185 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 3: Like with you, the enemy begins to. 186 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 2: I even think of Jesus, like Jesus literally being tempted 187 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 2: in the wilderness where it's like he was surrounded. 188 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 3: Daily for forty. 189 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 2: Days and nights, where it's like that was just forty days. 190 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 2: Maybe for people who are listening today, it's like it's 191 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 2: been four years where it feels like I've been in 192 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 2: this perpetual place where I feel abandoned, where I feel alone, 193 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: where I feel hopeless, where I feel like. 194 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 3: Healing will never be for me, That there isn't. 195 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 2: There won't be an oasis, let alone a jungle, a forest, 196 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 2: literally any other environment that I will come into contact with, 197 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 2: because this has just been my reality. 198 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 3: But you're living proof of this. 199 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 2: I feel like when we look at scripture, God is 200 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 2: living proof of Him being able to meet us in 201 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 2: those places and do something bigger. I know my audience 202 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 2: here who knows me and my story, knows that that's 203 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 2: true for me, that God has been able to meet 204 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 2: me in the middle. 205 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 3: Of my desert. 206 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 2: But you frame healing throughout the whole book of this 207 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 2: metaphor the desert. Yeah, So I want to know, like, 208 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 2: maybe in your opinion, why do you think it is 209 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 2: that God does the deepest work in desert seasons Because 210 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 2: I think we think that all the good stuff, all 211 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: the I don't know, real transformation or the things that 212 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 2: we look forward to most of encountering God happen in 213 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 2: these beautiful, fruitful places, which they do happen and they 214 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: can't happen, But often it's in these desert seasons that 215 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 2: God does the most work. 216 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 3: So I'd love to just hear your perspective on that. 217 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: Well, First of all, fruit only comes with the death 218 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: of the seed and the long process of growth of 219 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: the plant that produces it, and that plant learning how 220 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: to pull the nourishment to be able to give that fruit. 221 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: So fruitfulness is the celebratory season of our process. It's 222 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: not the process in none of itself. The journey is 223 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: where the real treasure is. And I just keep seeing 224 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 1: that there's a common denominator throughout the Word where God 225 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 1: will challenge his people plural or singular, to want more 226 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 1: of Him, to be more like him. And then when 227 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: they're like, yes, that is what I want. Okay, Lord, 228 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: here I am, and He'll invite them away to the wilder, 229 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: to the wilderness, to the desert. Why the wilderness and 230 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: the desert, We tend to think, well, the desert is 231 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: where things go to die and to cease to exist. 232 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,599 Speaker 1: And in a way it is, but it's not the 233 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: place we go to die. It's the place where the 234 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: things that have been attached to us that are not 235 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: essential to our life life, our abundant life in Christ 236 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: go to die and be stripped off. It's a stripping. 237 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: So think about it in like the literal sense. If 238 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: you end up in a desert and you have three 239 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: suitcases full of clothes, and you have, like, you know, 240 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: your makeup bag and four or five different pairs of shoes, 241 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 1: all of that stays behind in the desert because you 242 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: will develop a need to simplify so that you can survive, 243 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: and you cannot carry baggage through the desert. That's the 244 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: first lesson. In it, God starts stripping away all the 245 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: add ons that we have accrued through the years, thinking 246 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: that they are essential to our identity, to who we 247 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 1: are in Him, to what it is that we need 248 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 1: to do. But at the end of the day, our 249 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: identity is not what we do. We are not called 250 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: human doings. We are human beings. It is who we 251 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: are when the doing is gone. What is most important 252 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: to the Lord. He pursues our heart, He pursues our essence. 253 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: What is that our identity, which is the one truth 254 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: about us that will never cease and will never change, 255 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: not here and not an eternity. We are His children. 256 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: That is what garners us the value enough for him 257 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: to love us, to send his son to die and 258 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: resurrect for us. That is the one central core truth 259 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: about us that will never cease and what gives us value. 260 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: We are his, whether we do or we don't do, 261 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: whether we're sick or whether we're healthy, whether we are strong, 262 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: whether we're weak, which most of the time we're weak, 263 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: we're His and so the desert is the place where 264 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: the Lord invites you to go to be able to 265 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: realize that. And if you've already realized that, in a sense, 266 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: it's to deepen that truth in you. And it'll happen 267 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: every single time we are invited into a wilderness where 268 00:14:55,600 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: God is stripping things away. It's with one purpose that 269 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: we can come to love the Lord, our God with 270 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: all of our heart, all of our soul, all of 271 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: our mind, and all of our strengths. And therefore we 272 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: will automatically love others as we love ourself, knowing that 273 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: the greatest act of self love we could ever perform 274 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: in favor of ourselves is doing the work necessary to 275 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: clear out the heart and mind, the soul, and the 276 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: strength so that Jesus can occupy it all. And that 277 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: is the beauty of the desert. We go in there 278 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: with our let's call it the four rooms of our house, 279 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: the emotions, the thoughts, the spirit, and the body full 280 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: of clutter, whatever it may be, whether it be pain 281 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: or past or aspirations or ego or pride or future, 282 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: whatever it may be. We go into the desert with 283 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: all of that. But what do we come out with? 284 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: An understanding that we don't need it, an understanding that 285 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: the only one thing we need is the source, the fountain, 286 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: Jesus is he will always be our one reason. And 287 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: when we come out, we come out transformed, and we 288 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: come out with the with the ability to impart transformation 289 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: into others and help them through their journeys. 290 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 3: That is incredible. 291 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 2: Literally, as you were just talking, I was taking notes 292 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 2: because I'm like, I'm going to go back. 293 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 3: I'm not even lying. 294 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 2: I'm like, I know, I'm gonna go back and listen 295 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 2: to this, but I'm like, dang, that's so good. I 296 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 2: need to write it out and write it because I 297 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 2: don't want to forget what you said. 298 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: It's so good. 299 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 3: The way that you. 300 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 2: Frame work, even the idea of simplifying, I have never 301 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 2: really thought of it in that context of just like 302 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 2: bringing in your baggage into that place. It's like you 303 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 2: have to simplify and surrender in order to be able 304 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 2: to actually move forward. I've just never really thought of 305 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 2: it in that way. So that's I love that I 306 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: really do right now. I know when it comes to 307 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 2: these places of revisiting carrying in our baggage, having to 308 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 2: unpack it to see what needs to be simplified and 309 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 2: left behind that so many people they just want to 310 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 2: escape pain quickly. They just want to get through it. 311 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 2: They want they want it to be over with him done. 312 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 2: They want the desert to just be one stop shop 313 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 2: and then keep moving forward. Yep. 314 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 3: But you write in your book. 315 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 2: About how healing it has a cost. So what is 316 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 2: that cost of healing and why is it worth paying? 317 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: The cost of healing is being brave enough to face 318 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: your pain. Jesus was the bravest of all, yes, because 319 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: he had no baggage. But he became our pain, and 320 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: he faced it on the cross, and he saw it 321 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: way ahead of time. He was in the garden of 322 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: good Semite. And the dude is bleeding blood, which is 323 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: an actual psychosomatic condition when you are terrorized so bad 324 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: by a level of anxiety of a horrible future, your 325 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: your capillaries under your skin break because of the pressure, 326 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: and you you bleed through your pores. And that is 327 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: registered in the Bible that it happened to Jesus. But 328 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: still he was brave enough to face that pain because 329 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: he knew that the amount and the level of freedom 330 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: that was going to come out of it was going 331 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: to change every single generation. So all he asks us 332 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: to do is just co participate in his sufferings from 333 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: one perspective, which is our own. Now, sometimes we see 334 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: pursuing navigating our pain as something to stay away from, 335 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: and it's valid. I mean, nobody will volunteer for pain. 336 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 1: I won't. However, the way I see it and the 337 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: way I've seen my process is sometimes when you have 338 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: an ailment that is so bad and it is hindering 339 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 1: your quality of life, you end up in a surgeon's 340 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: office because there's no other way to get over the 341 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: hurdle than with surgery. Now, it's very rare that you 342 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: see a person who a surgeon tells, hey, if you 343 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: do not do this surgery, you will die. That says, oh, yeah, 344 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 1: then just let me die because it's going to be 345 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: too painful and when I wake up from that anesthegia, 346 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: everything's going to hurt, and you know the recovery is 347 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: going to be terrible. No, they're going to cling to 348 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 1: life and do whatever it is. But understanding that the 349 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: pain of a surgery is great, but it's much better 350 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: than carrying the pain of something that is constant every 351 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: single day and will follow and pursue you for the 352 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: rest of your life. So when you look at it 353 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: from an emotional and a mental perspective, we all carry pain. 354 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: We've all been traumatized one way or another. It's life. 355 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: We are going to hurt in the world. You will 356 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: have trouble, the Lord says, you will suffer. But take heart, 357 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: I have overcome the world. So why not trust ourselves 358 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: in the hands of the one who has overcome the 359 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: world and already has experienced all the pain and is 360 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: actually the great physician who can operate perfectly with zero 361 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: percent of error in our spirits and our souls and 362 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: in our minds. He can do it. We just need 363 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: to be brave enough to face that one pain so 364 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: that we can get over the multiple pain. 365 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 2: I love that perspective of just knowing that, like Jesus, 366 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 2: he did not spare himself from absolute suffering, not just 367 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 2: death on a cross and being tortured in all of 368 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 2: those things, but the fact that he took on the 369 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 2: full wrath of God. He experienced himself the separation that 370 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 2: sin brings, and cried out to the Father in that moment, 371 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 2: But it led to the most triumphant, the greatest victory 372 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 2: the biggest blessing, and I think we need to keep 373 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 2: that perspective in mind when God allows us or calls 374 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 2: us to revisit the painful areas that we've walked through 375 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 2: or are going through, of knowing that He is a 376 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 2: redeemer in all of those ways. 377 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 3: Like he himself experienced and walked through. 378 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,959 Speaker 2: That we serve a God who's not just sitting on 379 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 2: his throne above lording he is, and praise God that 380 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:15,239 Speaker 2: he is, but he's also near and is compassionate and 381 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 2: literally empathizes with us. Ye like, not just sympathizes, but 382 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 2: empathizes in the human experience of what we go through. 383 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 3: I mean he was think about it. 384 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 2: He was betrayed by his people, by his best friends, 385 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 2: and in times of need, rejected by his own people, 386 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 2: beaten by his own people. I mean, like the list 387 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 2: goes on and on of what Jesus himself went through, 388 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 2: temptation yet overcame, Like he went through all of these 389 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 2: things not just to show like, look, I can do it, 390 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 2: y'all should be able to do it too, being our example, 391 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 2: but in the sense of like, like I am big 392 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 2: enough to walk through these things, yield and surrender to me, 393 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 2: and I will help you to davocate these things, like 394 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 2: cast your burdens on me. 395 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 3: Those of you who are weary and broken, I will 396 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 3: give you rest. 397 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 2: I will literally shoulder this with you when you look 398 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 2: at the actual picture of what that looks like in 399 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 2: scripture with that context. So yes to everything that you're saying. 400 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 2: And I love that you bring Jesus in as that example. 401 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 2: And I'm curious, even in your own season of going 402 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 2: through the desert, the refinement and the surrender and the 403 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 2: lessons that you've learned through that, what have you learned 404 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 2: or what did you learn most in that season about 405 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 2: God's character that maybe you were surprised about, because I 406 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 2: think it's in those moments where it's like we can 407 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 2: completely discredit, like you know, what would God do here? 408 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 2: Is even here? All those lies and those questions they're real, 409 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 2: the doubts are real. 410 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 3: But what surprised you most about what came out of 411 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 3: that in terms of your relationship with God. 412 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: There's one thing about his love, a perspective that I'm 413 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: certain I would have never experienced had I not been 414 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: smack in the middle of the valley of the Shadow 415 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: of Death. Yeah, and it was the consistent permanence of 416 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 1: his kind company. M He stayed when the poopy hit 417 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: the fan. Yeah, he remained steadfast in providing what I needed. 418 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: Sometimes what I needed was just silence, because my brain 419 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: was way too broken physically and psychologically to be able 420 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: to hear one word even from him. And in knowing 421 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 1: that he was kind enough to sit with me in 422 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: the rut, sit with me in this muddy inside environment 423 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 1: that I was going through, Sit with me trying to 424 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: work out how do I get out of these thoughts 425 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: of death? When I believed so much in the truth 426 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: of life. He stayed. He could have abandoned me. Lord 427 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: knows I was worthy of abandonment, because boy, there was 428 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 1: so much brokenness there. I couldn't see a way to 429 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: be repaired. I couldn't find it. But he stayed. And 430 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: the way he stayed was so gentle and so kind. 431 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: Never did I ever feel even a nudge of pressure 432 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: from the Holy Spirit to get up and get ready 433 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: and joy joy, joy and happy, happy happy, And you 434 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: know I couldn't. I didn't have the strength, and he 435 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 1: knew that. And he was such a kind dad to me, 436 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: and he gave me exactly what I needed. With his 437 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 1: steadfast company and his consistent grace, even if it was 438 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: to live twenty four hours to twenty four hours. And 439 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 1: that to me is the greatest treasure to know that, Hey, 440 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: I don't know what lies ahead. I don't know if 441 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 1: I'm going to be back in crisis again, but I 442 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: do know that he's going to remain with me, and 443 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: he's absolutely not going to leave me. I will not 444 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: be left on the wayside. I'm going to be right there, 445 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: cradled up in his big strong arm until I'm ready 446 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: to get up and take charge of the part that 447 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: I need to do. And that's something that blessed me tremendously. 448 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,959 Speaker 1: Another thing that I learned from God's heart and his 449 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 1: personality is the urgency that he puts in us after 450 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: we are healed. And it's something where I am right 451 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: now in my season because I still consider myself to 452 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 1: be in the desert. I'm just on the outside of 453 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: the desert watching for those that are trying to get 454 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 1: through and going, hey, it's over here, it's over here. Here, 455 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: have some water, have some shelter. Let's get you ready, 456 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: and let's empower you to be able to transform others too, 457 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: and it's the sense that he has been screaming to 458 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: the four winds since the beginning of time, since since 459 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: the people of Israel came out of their desert, and 460 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: we're going into the Promised Land. That big, great commandment 461 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: was pronounced here, Oh Israel, the Lord is one. He 462 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 1: is your God, and he is one, and I want 463 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 1: you to be integrated and one as well. So love 464 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: the Lord your God with all the elements of who 465 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 1: you are, and love your neighbor as you love yourself. 466 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: That was the big takeaway from the desert into the 467 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: Promised Land. That is what the Lord has been pronouncing 468 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: over us again and again and again and again and again. 469 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: And for some reason, the Church, the Bride of Christ, 470 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: has fallen asleep on the mind part and the emotion's part. 471 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: And so I know that it is my assignment until 472 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 1: the day I go home to Jesus, to sound the 473 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: alarm as gently as I can, so that people understand 474 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: that the mind does need to be renewed, and to 475 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: be renewed, it needs to be healed. That the heart 476 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: does need to come and check and need to be 477 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: submitted to the obedience of Christ. But it needs to 478 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: be healed in order to be able to regulate your emotions. 479 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: And so He has given me the beautiful privilege of 480 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: becoming one of his many mouthpieces in this season and 481 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: in this generation, to go, hey, everybody, this is urgent. 482 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: This is more important that we make it out to be. 483 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 1: He wants all of us, not just the little spiritual 484 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: part that we give him on Sundays when we go 485 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 1: to church. There's so much more to life than that. 486 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 3: Come on, I love that. That's so good. 487 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 2: Well, even that perspective of like you are still in 488 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 2: a place of healing. You are still in a place, 489 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 2: like you said, where it feels like you are in 490 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 2: a desert, but it's different. And the thing that is 491 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 2: different may not be in some ways it is the environment, 492 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 2: like you said, because you feel like you're more on 493 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 2: the outskirts. 494 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 3: But really, what I'm hearing is the thing different is 495 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 3: me and Christ. 496 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 2: Christ in me, what He has done in my life, 497 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 2: knowing He is beside me. It is the confidence of 498 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 2: God's character and the character He's developed in you and 499 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 2: not just your circumstance. And I think that's something that 500 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 2: we can all hope in today, is that God can 501 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 2: meet us in the middle of those places and be 502 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 2: the living water that we need, can be the bread, 503 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 2: the sustenance that we need, can breathe the breath of 504 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 2: God over us, Like give us relief, give us something 505 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 2: cool and refreshing, to just rest on our face in 506 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 2: the middle of this place where it feels like there 507 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 2: is no food, no water, and only hot air surrounding us, 508 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 2: hot suns surrounding us. So I think that's the encouraging part, 509 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 2: because I'm right there with you, like I feel like 510 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 2: I have walked out of the desert that I've been in, 511 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 2: and I feel like I'm in a place that feels 512 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 2: just blossoming and blooming full. But the desert that I 513 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 2: was in was pro longed, like anything along where it 514 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 2: just feels like it's never ending. But when God enters 515 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 2: the picture, it changes everything. It might not change the 516 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 2: circumstances necessarily, but it changes literally everything else for you 517 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 2: to navigate that place. And I love that your book 518 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,479 Speaker 2: really hinges on that, not just that hope, but that 519 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 2: promise that it's true for today. So speaking of your book, 520 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 2: I know that we kind of ran out of time, 521 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 2: and there's literally a million things I could have I 522 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 2: wanted to ask you, but I'll leave it to the 523 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 2: people to read the book themselves to get everything out 524 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 2: of it. 525 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 3: Speaking of which, your book. 526 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 2: Is out now, Healing in the Desert. Where can people 527 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 2: check it out? Where can people grab their cope? 528 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: Anywhere you buy your books, it is there, Healing in 529 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: the Desert, Christina Cario. You can search it on Amazon. 530 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: That's the easiest for me. My family calls me the 531 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: Amazon Queen because I'll find it. If I don't find 532 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,959 Speaker 1: it on Amazon, it doesn't exist. And also, if you're 533 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: a bard and noble kind of person and you want 534 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: to like go and sit down with your little coffee 535 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: and read it within the bookstore, totally can. Or if 536 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: you know you're on the go and you want to 537 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: get it while you're getting your groceries at Walmart, it's 538 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: there too, or in your favorite bookstore where you can 539 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: go and get the fancy highlighters and stuff. Wherever you 540 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: buy your books, it is there. And it is my 541 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: big prayer that whatever it is that your need is 542 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: in your own journey, that you will find takeaways in 543 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: this book, Because Lord knows, I wrote journals and journals 544 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: and journals and journals of what I learned in my desert, 545 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: and my editors were gracious enough to help me organize 546 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: all of those journals and that's diary into this book 547 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: so that today, whoever it is that reads it can 548 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: have those guide posts that I talked about to help 549 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: them through their journey. 550 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Thank you for being vulnerable enough to 551 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 2: share it, those honest laments and thoughts and what God 552 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 2: has transformed within you to be able to transform other people. 553 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,239 Speaker 2: It's not easy to be a pioneer, but it is. 554 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 2: It is a holy calling, and I'm thankful that you 555 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 2: said yes to it into writing this book. I will 556 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 2: link everything down below, so to all of you who 557 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 2: are like I want to grab this great literally scroll. 558 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 3: Like two centimeters. 559 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 2: The link is right there if you want to grab 560 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 2: your copy today, And where can people check you out? 561 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 2: Like if they want to listen to your music, if 562 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 2: they want to follow along with everything that you're doing. 563 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: You know what I keep saying, The easiest thing is 564 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: just do a Christine Declara Google search. I don't take 565 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: you wherever you want to go. There's my website Christineaclario 566 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: dot com. But if you know you prefer to be 567 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: on TikTok there, I am Christina Clario Instagram the same 568 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: Facebook for those older folks that we like to go 569 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: and scroll through. Yah, here's one. I'm in my forties. 570 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: Christine de Clario music on Facebook. I'm pretty much very 571 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: active on social media. I'm everywhere and I do love 572 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: interacting with people. So I will read the comments, I 573 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: will see you. I will at the very least hit 574 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: you with the little heart. So come check it out. 575 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, y'all got to check her out and check out 576 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 2: her music and everything too. Maybe you know, prep your 577 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 2: soul before Amazon delivers the book tomorrow at your dart right. 578 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 2: Thank you for taking the time to be on here 579 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 2: today though, and to just share your story, to talk 580 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 2: more about your book and everything. Absolutely, and to everyone 581 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 2: who's listening, thank you for just giving us your time. 582 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 2: I really hope that this was an encouragement to you, 583 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 2: that you feel less alone and that maybe you feel 584 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 2: like you have I don't know, a mindset shift in 585 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 2: the sense of Okay, here's how I can navigate this 586 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 2: place that I'm at and not just pray to be 587 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 2: delivered from that place. Absolutely continue to do so, but 588 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 2: praying that God would meet you and do something within 589 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 2: you in that place, because that really is the treasure 590 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 2: in the gift. 591 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 3: I love you, guys. 592 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 2: I'll see you here next week for another episode on 593 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 2: the Bottom blowd podcast. 594 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 3: But until then, have fun navigating your desert season. Whip 595 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 3: the Lord. He is with you, he is for you, 596 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 3: and we love y'all. Bye. 597 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 2: For more life giving, faith based podcasts just like this one, 598 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 2: check out lifeaudio dot com, a proud partner of the 599 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 2: Bottom Beloved podcast