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Speaker 2: But our Lord never changes, His promises never changes.

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Speaker 1: So hang on to these promise because people may.

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Speaker 2: Let you down. Trump may let you down, but Jesus

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Speaker 3: What is happening inside Iran as war, economic hardship, and

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Speaker 3: than ever turning to Jesus Christ in the midst of

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Speaker 3: their suffering, persecution and despair. Hi, and welcome to Inside

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Speaker 3: the Epicenter with Joel and Lynn Rosenberg. This is a

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Speaker 3: podcast of the Joshua Fund, a ministry to bless Israel

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Speaker 3: and her neighbors in the name of Jesus. In today's episode,

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Speaker 3: Joel sits down with doctor Hermos Chariot. He is the

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Speaker 3: founder and president of Iran Alive Ministries, and together they

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Speaker 3: discuss the extraordinary spirit virtual movement unfolding inside Iran. As

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Speaker 3: Internet access has been restricted and government pressure has been intensified,

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Speaker 3: satellite television became a vital lifeline to the people of Iran.

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Speaker 3: It brings biblical hope, practical encouragement, and the message of

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Speaker 3: Jesus directly into millions of Iranian homes. Joel and doctor

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Speaker 3: Chariot explore how iran Alives daily broadcasts are reaching unprecedented

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Speaker 3: numbers of viewers, particularly young people who are searching for

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Speaker 3: answers in the middle of national turmoil. Joel and Hermuz

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Speaker 3: discuss remarkable reports from underground church leaders, stories of Muslims

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Speaker 3: even the darkest circumstances to draw people to himself. Let's

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Speaker 3: listen in to this wonderful conversation.

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Speaker 4: Quemo's from the moment this war began on February twenty eighth,

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Speaker 4: making it very difficult or impossible really for Iranians to

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Speaker 4: have information from the outside. But you run a satellite

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Speaker 4: the heads of the religious clerics, the moulist. So how

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Speaker 4: it got used Iran OnLive ministries during this wartime.

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Speaker 1: Well, Internet could be cut off, but not the satellite signal.

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Speaker 1: So as a result of the Internet being cut, actually,

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Speaker 4: So they would have been the young people would have

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Speaker 4: been on their phones. But you guys have a very

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Speaker 4: robust social media ministry. But once that got cut off,

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Speaker 2: Right, that's right.

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Speaker 1: And with the help of Joshua Fund, we started a

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Speaker 1: and that has been the most successful program we've had.

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Speaker 2: Really.

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Speaker 4: Meaning that there was a real chance now that the

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Speaker 5: The regime was going to be so damaged, so diminished.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what I mean is we are with the people.

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Speaker 5: Talk to us a little bit more about the format.

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Speaker 5: You're saying, Is it a live daily.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're dealing with the headlines, you're dealing with interviews.

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Speaker 1: It is and we have many guests Christians and non Christians.

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Speaker 4: Right, That's that's the heart of the Round Live Ministries.

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Speaker 4: In other words, you're you're you're sending information and the

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Speaker 2: This is what I hear multiple times. Last week, I was.

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Speaker 5: What a strange life people are living there.

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Speaker 1: Exactly when there is suffering, people are more open to

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Speaker 2: And this has happened.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why is that happening?

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Speaker 3: Pray that they would tune in to Iran Alive satellite

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Speaker 1: That's the result of the cruelty of the Iranian government.

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Speaker 2: Why.

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Speaker 4: Wow, that is incredible that what God is doing. Or

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Speaker 1: Well, I've known you many years and you have been

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Speaker 2: Say, here is a Jews.

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Speaker 2: That was all. But today that you were on it's different.

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Speaker 2: Iranians love the Jews.

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Speaker 1: They love to see a Jew as a guest, especially

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Speaker 1: they love Nathan Yahoo. As I share with you, the

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Speaker 4: That's amazing because he's coming to the rescue in a sense,

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Speaker 1: Exactly, you made a very good point of understanding where

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Speaker 2: Can you believe that?

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Speaker 1: And they look at American army, American attack of war

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Speaker 2: They don't look at him as enemies.

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Speaker 1: They say, we both have one enemy, which is a

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Speaker 1: Foreign horses attacking us. You are a liberation army. You're

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Speaker 1: coming to rescue the hostages like US ninety million hostages

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Speaker 1: in Iran, and you are trying to set the hostages free.

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Speaker 2: Will come come on please? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Wow, that's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: One more question, how can we be praying?

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Speaker 4: How should the Rosenberg Report viewers, TB and viewers, all

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Speaker 4: initial news readers, How should we and the Joshua donors know?

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Speaker 2: Well, I have several prayer requests.

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Speaker 1: One is that pray against the spirit of Islam, which

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Speaker 2: And we saw that and maybe they're not yet done.

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Speaker 1: They could continue, and we have the power alternity to

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Speaker 2: So let's pray against that.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to see another massacre, which is very

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Speaker 1: likely that that can happen. Number two, pray for the

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Speaker 1: great wave of persecution. Even now there is, but it's

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Speaker 2: Go in your home, don't share anything with anybody. They

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Speaker 1: A Christians in effactive, ineffective in evangelism.

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Speaker 4: They're the Roman Empire of this age.

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Speaker 2: But the courage, you know in Book.

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Speaker 1: Of Acts us their prayer, God give us the courage

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Speaker 1: because the courage. They didn't even pray for protection, they

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Speaker 2: The Lord has set us, by his.

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Speaker 1: Grace, a position that we can have a major and

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Speaker 1: we are having a major impact in Ivan. And you know,

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Speaker 1: history is in the making in Iran. And Iran is

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Speaker 1: the ground that you put, you know, thirty sixty hundred.

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Speaker 1: Iran is the hundred kind that whatever you sew, you

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Speaker 1: see the result. And I'm so glad for Joshua Von

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Speaker 1: that you're partnering together to sow in a history of Iran.

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Speaker 1: Whatever we saw there, you see much result.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for what you're doing.

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Speaker 4: It's a joy and I'm just so glad to help

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Speaker 5: You and around live mantries.

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