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Speaker 3: All right, welcome everybody. Andy Biggs and a very very
Speaker 3: special guest are in studio with Blake and I believe
Speaker 3: I am told that they have my mic flag. So
Speaker 3: that's that's a little disconcerting. Nevertheless, let's get let's get
Speaker 3: started here. Yeah, yes, Andy Biggs, the next governor of
Speaker 3: the of Great State of Arizona, State forty eight, has
Speaker 3: brought in Sina Kerr, the next lieutenant governor, the first
Speaker 3: lieutenant governor, Andy Biggs, why don't you introduce your guest.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks, Andrew, It's good to see you. Good to
Speaker 4: be with you and Blake in the very special studio
Speaker 4: I've brought with me, Sena Kerr, former state senator, former
Speaker 4: Trump Department of Agriculture leader. I will tell you she
Speaker 4: is a tremendous, tremendous pick. She's an expert in water loss,
Speaker 4: she knows the rural areas of the state, she knows
Speaker 4: the agricultural industry. She is beloved all over this state,
Speaker 4: and she's a dairy farmer. Married de Bill. They've been
Speaker 4: married for forty six years and they've been dairy farming
Speaker 4: that long, so it's an honor to have her serve
Speaker 4: with me or run with me.
Speaker 3: So there's a backstory here. This is the first time
Speaker 3: that we've had a lieutenant governor. What changed and what
Speaker 3: is the goal in Arizona.
Speaker 4: So constitutional amendment came in by the voters three years
Speaker 4: ago or so, and they said, we don't want to
Speaker 4: just have a secretary of state anymore, we want to
Speaker 4: have a lieutenant governor too, and the lieutenant governor it
Speaker 4: will run with me like a vice president runs with
Speaker 4: a president. And that's where Scenea comes in. And then
Speaker 4: she will probably have a responsibility over a department or
Speaker 4: an agency that's contemplated. And quite frankly, the constitutional amendment
Speaker 4: is so broad that we get to kind of determine it.
Speaker 4: And I'm looking forward to that because I think scene
Speaker 4: has got some good ideas and I've got some ideas
Speaker 4: on how we make that run for the state.
Speaker 5: So that's like an option for you. You can just
Speaker 5: sort of you could simultaneously appoint her too.
Speaker 6: I guess I don't know.
Speaker 5: What the cabinet agencies are at the state level, but no,
Speaker 5: that would make sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like head of Department of Administration or AG or
Speaker 4: you know, just whatever. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, Sina, welcome to the studio. I'm a sorry that
Speaker 3: I can't be in there with you, but tell us
Speaker 3: about yourself and your own words. We're excited to have
Speaker 3: you introduce yourself to our audience.
Speaker 7: Thank you so much, Andrew. So, I was here for
Speaker 7: the grand opening, and so it's amazing to see how
Speaker 7: the campus has grown. And of course being in here
Speaker 7: in the studio is really emotional for me. It's just
Speaker 7: really special to be here with you.
Speaker 8: So.
Speaker 7: Yeah, grew up in Buckeye. My dad moved us there
Speaker 7: when in nineteen sixty four when he retired from the army.
Speaker 7: I have been there ever since. Absolutely love it. True
Speaker 7: small town girl. I think there were only four or
Speaker 7: five thousand people in Buckeye at the time, and I
Speaker 7: believe we're well over one hundred thousand today. And So
Speaker 7: grew up and it was largely agriculture, and that's where
Speaker 7: I fell in love with ag. I My family was
Speaker 7: not in farming. And then my mother, when my mom
Speaker 7: and dad got married, you know, she immigrated from Mexico
Speaker 7: and became naturalized citizen. She was incredibly proud to be
Speaker 7: a US citizen, and so you know, they taught me
Speaker 7: to love our country, to step up for her, you
Speaker 7: put your life on the line for her, and to
Speaker 7: appreciate the opportunities that we have here in America. And
Speaker 7: so anyway, you know, went through grade school, high school,
Speaker 7: I met my future husband, Bill, and we were in
Speaker 7: student government together, and you know, I didn't know at
Speaker 7: the time he was a third generation dairy farmer, so
Speaker 7: that that was the bonus that sealed the deal. And
Speaker 7: so we got married right out of high school. I
Speaker 7: was eighteen, he was nineteen. We started our dairy business
Speaker 7: and you know, grew it from there, then grew our family.
Speaker 7: We have one son and three daughters and they have
Speaker 7: blessed us with twelve grandchildren. And during that time, you know,
Speaker 7: I was involved with ag industry leadership, being involved in
Speaker 7: United Dairymen of Arizona Farm Bureau, and that's where I
Speaker 7: learned to really study and know the policy that affects
Speaker 7: us every single day on our farms and became passionate
Speaker 7: about that, passionate about electing leaders that really understood what
Speaker 7: we needed to keep us in business, keep food on
Speaker 7: our table, keep our freedom to farm, and food security
Speaker 7: across the nation.
Speaker 6: Tyler was really gushing about you.
Speaker 5: Just he was very excited about this pick, and he
Speaker 5: was pointing out you have like a lot of expertise
Speaker 5: with managing water resources, as any agriculturalist does in Arizona,
Speaker 5: and that matters a lot, because there was news over
Speaker 5: the weekend. If you're in Arizona, you're kind of it's
Speaker 5: maybe entered your head a few times. This is not
Speaker 5: a place that naturally has.
Speaker 6: A lot of water.
Speaker 5: Yet we usually are able to obtain it when we
Speaker 5: desire it, but we can't take that for granted. And
Speaker 5: there was big news this weekend where we are losing
Speaker 5: some water to the state and that's related to mismanagement
Speaker 5: from our current governor.
Speaker 6: Correct.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in my opinion, she waited too long to engage.
Speaker 4: We've known this was coming. This is this is actually
Speaker 4: an extension past the timeframe of the drought contingency plan.
Speaker 4: She should have been engaged, and she should have been
Speaker 4: putting pressure on and working with the administration. She's incapable
Speaker 4: of working with the administration. Just so Blake and Andrew,
Speaker 4: just so you guys know. But yeah, so the Bureau
Speaker 4: of Reclamation has given us a new plan it's I
Speaker 4: don't think it's time to panic. I'm not a panic guy.
Speaker 4: I'm an optimist guy about trying to work this thing
Speaker 4: out somewhere. But with the current governor, she's not really
Speaker 4: taking the steps, in my opinion, to actually resolve what
Speaker 4: you do now between now and October, because Bureau of
Speaker 4: Reclamation would like to put this into play October first.
Speaker 4: Now that's gonna that would require us to make a
Speaker 4: reduction off the river itself, but most of that's going
Speaker 4: to go to Central Arizona Project. So without getting into
Speaker 4: the details too much, there are things that can be
Speaker 4: done now where I'm working at the federal level trying
Speaker 4: to do it. She needs, we need this governor to
Speaker 4: step in, and I don't think she's capable of doing it.
Speaker 4: This is this is what I mean when I say
Speaker 4: she is dangerously incompetent because this will impact the state.
Speaker 4: But we can we can fix it as much as
Speaker 4: we can. But I think both Seen and I have
Speaker 4: some plans to put in place with with infrastructure, et
Speaker 4: cetera and policy when we when we were governing the state.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's the my You know, my mother
Speaker 3: works in this field and she says that you know,
Speaker 3: the Colorado River is a huge, huge issue. What is
Speaker 3: behind this and what are the real world stakes for
Speaker 3: Arizona's farmers, for the business community, for home building, population
Speaker 3: growth if we ultimately get our water share from the
Speaker 3: Colorado River cut this dramatically.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so I'll I'll comment on that, Andrew. So, you know,
Speaker 7: we have to look at our past because it clearly
Speaker 7: it dictates, excuse me, where we are today. So, Arizona
Speaker 7: has been a leader in water management, not only across
Speaker 7: the nation, but around the world. We have water leaders
Speaker 7: come to see how in the world are we so
Speaker 7: productive and effective in our water management, in the products
Speaker 7: we produce in the egg industry. And so in our
Speaker 7: early days, even before statehood, it was our farmers and
Speaker 7: our ranchers that had the wisdom and the foresight to
Speaker 7: map out how we can best utilize our water resources.
Speaker 7: And so they did a very fantastic job laying that foundation.
Speaker 7: So we've continued on that. We have saved millions of
Speaker 7: acre feet of water and just it's incredible the geographic makeup,
Speaker 7: the geology of Arizona that we have these incredible basins
Speaker 7: that can store lot of water. So we have to
Speaker 7: look at that and know that we need to manage
Speaker 7: those resources effectively.
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Speaker 3: for the.
Speaker 7: Entire nation exactly. So I did resign from my position.
Speaker 7: Loved it, absolutely, was deeply honored to have been appointed
Speaker 7: by the president. Working under Secretary Rollins. Talk about just
Speaker 7: a next level administration who cares deeply when they say
Speaker 7: when the President says he wants to put farmers in ranchers,
Speaker 7: first he's not kidding. And then to have Secretary Rowlins
Speaker 7: deploy that message in very tangible ways. She listens as
Speaker 7: we've had She's attended roundtables with farmers and ranchers across
Speaker 7: the nation, the one she held here and She's held
Speaker 7: a couple now here in Arizona to see her just
Speaker 7: so intently listening, taking notes. She wants their numbers. She's
Speaker 7: affecting change every single time she's meeting. Then, in my
Speaker 7: former position, I got to deal with her cabinet members,
Speaker 7: everyone who's serving with her, and her administrator, the Undersecretary,
Speaker 7: so much of the step. They're real farmers and that
Speaker 7: makes all the difference in the world. When I took
Speaker 7: the position, I was worried. I thought, Wow, am I
Speaker 7: going to be dealing with DC bureaucrats who don't have
Speaker 7: any idea which end at the cow to milk, and
Speaker 7: I'm going to have to be working with them, And
Speaker 7: I was anticipating some frustration. None of that. They have
Speaker 7: the real solid farmers and ranchers in there, such a
Speaker 7: pleasure to work with, and it meant so much for
Speaker 7: our state. As I promoted and implemented the administration and
Speaker 7: the Secretary's policies and priorities for Farm Service Agency, it
Speaker 7: was just a real blessing to go out across the
Speaker 7: state tell our farmers and ranchers listen, the administration is
Speaker 7: really listening. They care deeply about what you need, what's
Speaker 7: working for you? What's not working? The secretary very engaged,
Speaker 7: very hands on. It was an incredible blessing to serve
Speaker 7: the administration in that way and then to serve our
Speaker 7: farmers and ranchers.
Speaker 3: Congressman future governor Andy Biggs. So this is actually the
Speaker 3: first time we've had you on since your massive landslide
Speaker 3: victory in the primary. Talk about the state of the race.
Speaker 3: This is a huge, I think boon for you in
Speaker 3: this campaign, having seen it join the ticket as it were.
Speaker 3: Where are we at right now? How's it looking? What
Speaker 3: are our action items? Give us some things to do
Speaker 3: that we can help make sure you get into office
Speaker 3: in November.
Speaker 4: Hey, thanks Andrew, and you know that was a big
Speaker 4: primary win. And here we go. We're almost dead even
Speaker 4: in the polls. We're within the margin of era of
Speaker 4: a sitting in Coumbat who spent more than ten million
Speaker 4: dollars on this campaign so far, Andrew, and they've they've
Speaker 4: they've laid down another ten to fifteen million dollars through
Speaker 4: the through the end of the cycle, and we anticipate
Speaker 4: they're going to spend more so, but they can't seem
Speaker 4: to pull away. We think she's reached a ceiling because
Speaker 4: she is hopelessly incompetent. And so for US, US, you know,
Speaker 4: the big thing for US is we had a big
Speaker 4: rally on Friday in the West Valley of the Phoenix
Speaker 4: metr area. Was fabulous, hundreds and hundreds of people attended,
Speaker 4: and we are all over the state campaigning and working
Speaker 4: with folks for US. It's just a voter turnout. You
Speaker 4: guys know this. It's a voter turnout election because it'll
Speaker 4: be down. You don't have a president, you don't even
Speaker 4: have a US senator on here. This is the race
Speaker 4: that's going to drive the turnout. So we need to
Speaker 4: keep knocking on doors, we need to keep visiting with people.
Speaker 4: We need to get our yard signs out. If you've
Speaker 4: got donations, that helps us too. It helps us put
Speaker 4: stuff on the air. And we're actually targeting Andrew and
Speaker 4: Blake the roughly seventeen percent of people who are undecided
Speaker 4: who will help decide this race, and we're sending them
Speaker 4: messages regularly. And that's where we're focused right now. Because
Speaker 4: we've got a tremendous Republican base. We've got a numerical
Speaker 4: eight advantage. We have three hundred thousand more Republicans voters
Speaker 4: than Democrats do. What matters for us is getting those
Speaker 4: people to the polls. That takes funds, you know, biggsfar
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Speaker 3: That does it.
Speaker 4: But we just need people out there spreading the word.
Speaker 4: That's the main thing.
Speaker 3: What happens in the state if Katie Hobbs stays in
Speaker 3: office versus what happens if you win.
Speaker 4: Well, just take a look at what she's vetoed. She's
Speaker 4: vetoed more than seventy election integrity bills while at the
Speaker 4: same time opening up the border to the south. Kind
Speaker 4: of a weird coincidence, I think, Andrew, you might think,
Speaker 4: but that's one thing. We've also gone from being one
Speaker 4: of the most affordable states in the country when she
Speaker 4: came in to now we're in the bottom five for
Speaker 4: least affordable states. She's driven up the price of housing
Speaker 4: that makes it very unaffordable. She's not supportive fully of
Speaker 4: the police, and so we have Just so you know,
Speaker 4: there's only two states with a rising fentanyl overdose death rate,
Speaker 4: Arizona is spiking. We are the leader in the overdose rate,
Speaker 4: and that's because of her policies. She actually put moratoriums
Speaker 4: on building houses in the two fastest growing communities in
Speaker 4: the state, in the West Valley, in these valley which were,
Speaker 4: by the way, two of the top ten fastest growth
Speaker 4: places in the country. That's the difference that you get.
Speaker 4: She's actually tried to raise taxes multiple times. She's and
Speaker 4: this is the key here, This gets to trustworthiness. She
Speaker 4: is the only governor in America who's currently being criminally
Speaker 4: investigated for pay for play schemes.
Speaker 6: Corruption. That's the difference she'll get right there.
Speaker 3: Andrew bigs for Arizona, bigs for Arizona. Sena, Kurt, thank
Speaker 3: you for joining us. God bless you both. We have
Speaker 3: your back.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
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Speaker 3: the segment?
Speaker 6: All right?
Speaker 5: Well, this all goes back to last week's Thursday discussion
Speaker 5: on thought crime, and we were discussing a viral clip
Speaker 5: of Shark Tanks Kevin O'Leary where he was he was
Speaker 5: gushing at length about a Rolex watch he was incredibly
Speaker 5: excited about. And then that turned into a discussion basically,
Speaker 5: is our our billionaires going on podcasts and talking about
Speaker 5: their favorite watches and really really glowing, almost like worshipful terms.
Speaker 5: Is that going to put capitalism in dangers? That fueling
Speaker 5: democratic socialism? And it caused it felt like an almost
Speaker 5: throwaway line to me at the time. But Jack Jack,
Speaker 5: who was on the show with us, he stated that
Speaker 5: he I believe what was it Andrew, that he doesn't
Speaker 5: believe in capitalism and he believes in nationalist populism insteadism.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so let's play the clip and we'll go
Speaker 3: from there, because it did cause a bit of a
Speaker 3: stir on line, and we wanted to make sure that
Speaker 3: we talked about it because I actually think it's a
Speaker 3: really really important topic. More broadly, to make sure that
Speaker 3: we as conservatives understand what we mean when we say capitalism.
Speaker 3: Go ahead and play cut twenty.
Speaker 5: He should we are capitalists, like we are fundamentally pro
Speaker 5: to somebody spending their wealth how they want to spend
Speaker 5: their wealth.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't think we should.
Speaker 9: I don't think we should center our our country around
Speaker 9: capital I think that's I think that's not Christian.
Speaker 3: All right, So the big line there is that he
Speaker 3: said we are not I'm not a capitalist. Now. I've
Speaker 3: talked to Jack about this, and I think that he
Speaker 3: would probably state it differently and be more clear if
Speaker 3: he had an opportunity to do it. So let's just
Speaker 3: say it outright. We are capitalists. We're very much pro capitalism.
Speaker 3: Charlie would often say that capitalism is the most proven, moral,
Speaker 3: in effective economic system ever, and it's lifted billions of
Speaker 3: people out of poverty. The alternative, obviously, is going to
Speaker 3: be socialism or Marxism, which leads at best to stagnation
Speaker 3: and malaise, but ad worse to authoritarianism, poverty, misery, and
Speaker 3: mass death. In the twentieth century alone, over one hundred
Speaker 3: million people died of a result of communism. But you
Speaker 3: also have to balance that with we are Christians, right,
Speaker 3: we don't believe that we should be worshiping money. We
Speaker 3: serve God, not money. You cannot serve two masters, and
Speaker 3: that's a very important thing to keep in mind. And
Speaker 3: as Blake pointed out, Jack was reacting to a Kevin
Speaker 3: O'Leary clip in which he, I guess claims that he
Speaker 3: was begging on his knees for this rolex. It's very
Speaker 3: rare rolex worth one point eight million dollars. Now, I
Speaker 3: just want to say very out front here, I don't
Speaker 3: have a problem with a system that allows somebody like
Speaker 3: Kevin O'Leary to do that. I do not have any
Speaker 3: issue with him being successful. We love it capitalism because
Speaker 3: it is freedom. Ultimately, capitalism is not a system that
Speaker 3: man really invented at all. It's a system that just
Speaker 3: emerges when people are free to exchange goods and services
Speaker 3: and when there's a financial system behind it to exchange
Speaker 3: dollars currency for those goods and services. And we celebrate success.
Speaker 3: But we also shouldn't worship material wealth. Right, We shouldn't
Speaker 3: worship the greed. Right, we shouldn't worship materialism. We worship God.
Speaker 3: And here's the big difference. And I think this is
Speaker 3: a nuanced approach that has come into the conversation essentially
Speaker 3: since twenty fifteen, more and more so with the rise
Speaker 3: of President Trump and populist more populist conservatism, and that
Speaker 3: is that conservatives should not measure the success of our
Speaker 3: nation on GDP alone. This was a common way that
Speaker 3: conservatives would say, hey, look at the GDP's going up. Well,
Speaker 3: that's all well and good, but your you know, industrial
Speaker 3: base and your manufacturing core has been hollowed out and
Speaker 3: shipped off to China. So instead of good paying jobs,
Speaker 3: you get a lot of cheap plastic junk from China
Speaker 3: that's just going to end up in the garbage can, right,
Speaker 3: So what is that balance? There are limits to capitalism,
Speaker 3: pure unadulterated capitalism that is totally worthwhile to consider and
Speaker 3: ask questions about. A great example of this, Blake, and
Speaker 3: perhaps this is where you should jump in, is immigration right.
Speaker 3: If you just let big business get exactly what they
Speaker 3: want when it comes to immigration, you would have a
Speaker 3: flood of cheap labor coming in and that would harm
Speaker 3: the country. Conservatives have rejected this model for capitalism. We say, no,
Speaker 3: we don't want unfettered mass migration just because you can
Speaker 3: get cheap labor out of it. That is not in
Speaker 3: the best interest of the country. So there are limits,
Speaker 3: and we need to have an ongoing conversation about just
Speaker 3: what those limits are. Blake, do you agree?
Speaker 5: Well, I think going back to what Jack said, people
Speaker 5: flipped out about him saying he's not a capitalist, But
Speaker 5: I think the more important line he said is we
Speaker 5: shouldn't center our country on capital. And you'll sometimes run
Speaker 5: into that where people will angrily point out that the
Speaker 5: US should not just be an economic zone.
Speaker 6: A free trade zone. It exists.
Speaker 5: It is an actual country with people. And when you're
Speaker 5: an actual country with people, that carries additional values besides
Speaker 5: merely the increase of wealth for people by any means necessary.
Speaker 5: And as you said, yeah, we're also Christian as well.
Speaker 5: So Charlie was a big fan of capitalism. He was
Speaker 5: a big defender of it, certainly against alternatives like socialism, Marxism, communism,
Speaker 5: but he.
Speaker 6: Also what was his chief value?
Speaker 5: His chief value and also I should mention socialism sucks,
Speaker 5: one of the earliest lines that turning point uses. But
Speaker 5: his big goal in life was religious revival. He wanted
Speaker 5: to have a revival of American faith, he wanted to
Speaker 5: have a revival of American identity. And those are things
Speaker 5: that come before capitalism. You would want to have those
Speaker 5: as your bedrock. And then on top of that, you
Speaker 5: implement a free market capitalist system because that is by
Speaker 5: far the best way to ensure broad based wealth.
Speaker 6: In your society. And pointed out with Jack.
Speaker 5: Since people got mad at Jack over that line, Jack
Speaker 5: wrote the book In Humans, which is basically it is
Speaker 5: a best selling book about how communism and Marxism are
Speaker 5: completely rotten and have killed millions upon tens of millions
Speaker 5: of people in the past century. So the idea that
Speaker 5: he's becoming a Shill for Marxism, which some people have alleged.
Speaker 5: I think I think that's I think that's bonkers to
Speaker 5: be frank, although he can say more on and than
Speaker 5: in his own right too, But I think that's the
Speaker 5: key thing to emphasize is Charlie said a lot. I
Speaker 5: think let's throw it up here. The image here, I
Speaker 5: think it's is at eighteen where Charlie's talking about socialism
Speaker 5: versus communism. Let me get it here, and he basically
Speaker 5: says that or not socially capitalism versus communism and socialism.
Speaker 5: It's like capitalism is the best system. We have to
Speaker 5: have an un equal distribution of blessings of prosperity, and
Speaker 5: it's going to be unequal, that's the nature of it.
Speaker 5: And when you have socialism you have an equally shared
Speaker 5: amount of misery and suffering. I think that's channeling the
Speaker 5: line from Churchill, who Charlie greatly admired. And it's completely
Speaker 5: true that we have a system that is unequal. We
Speaker 5: have to make sure that inequality doesn't spiral out of control.
Speaker 5: That's what the discussion was about last week. Is too
Speaker 5: much in your face inequality going to cause people to
Speaker 5: have an angry reaction, and then they're going to impose
Speaker 5: socialism on us and ruin it for everybody. That is
Speaker 5: why we warn everyone about Mamdani. That is why we
Speaker 5: warn everyone about democratic socialism, that people who are taking
Speaker 5: advantage of populist anger are going to destroy the American
Speaker 5: experiment and impoverish all of us. Because, make no mistake,
Speaker 5: America has become the country that the entire planet wants
Speaker 5: to move to because of capitalism, because we have a
Speaker 5: free market system that has made this country so wealthy
Speaker 5: and so successful. So we just need to emphasize those points.
Speaker 5: Andrew like, obviously we remain a very pro free market organization,
Speaker 5: but we're not the Cato Institute here. We are not
Speaker 5: capitalism above all else and to the exclusion of all else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't worship the GDP. And ultimately, that is
Speaker 3: the distinction that needs to be made, is that, Listen,
Speaker 3: we became a country that got really good at capital
Speaker 3: markets and we should keep it that way. Let's just
Speaker 3: be very clear. Our capital markets are the envy of
Speaker 3: the world for good reason. They create so much opportunity
Speaker 3: from financing new business startups and the like. But we
Speaker 3: also became a little too over reliant on financial instruments. Many,
Speaker 3: many people on Wall Street got obscenely rich by basically
Speaker 3: inventing pieces of paper that could swap derivatives a different way, right,
Speaker 3: And what Charlie loved was people like Elon Musk that
Speaker 3: actually used the financial markets to their benefit to build
Speaker 3: real things of actual value and innovation. Right, That is
Speaker 3: the difference. So well, a lot of people on Wall
Speaker 3: Street got very rich. We saw our manufacturing core get
Speaker 3: hollowed out. Now we've got to find a balance in there,
Speaker 3: because again, we are not just an economy attached to
Speaker 3: a country. We are a country, We are a people,
Speaker 3: we have a heritage, we have a history, and we've
Speaker 3: got to be sure that the way that we are
Speaker 3: regulating those markets serves the interest of families of the
Speaker 3: American people writ large. Capital should absolutely be free to
Speaker 3: pursue profits and growth, and the government should absolutely work
Speaker 3: to ensure that the capital is working in the interests
Speaker 3: of the people. That's all. We shouldn't worship capital markets.
Speaker 3: That we should make sure that the capital markets serve
Speaker 3: the people. And that's basically the big delineation here, And
Speaker 3: I don't really see too much of a controversy here.
Speaker 3: Maybe in the way it was expressed, sure, whatever, but
Speaker 3: we absolutely, to Blake's point, need to be very cognizant
Speaker 3: of the fact that great wealth, inequality and a hollowing
Speaker 3: out of our manufacturing core is going to radicalize our politics.
Speaker 6: So all right, Actually do we have Jack?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 6: I think we do have him. So Jack, there you.
Speaker 9: Are, tong Za man Singhola Shinga tonga man.
Speaker 3: Okay, Jack, I have a question for Jack, Jack. Are
Speaker 3: you a capitalist?
Speaker 9: I am a nationalist populist.
Speaker 3: So explain the difference in why there is a confusion
Speaker 3: out there.
Speaker 9: Well, I think there's a confusion right because the system.
Speaker 9: There's a difference between the system of capitalism and the
Speaker 9: perception of capitalism that exists in the popular mind. And
Speaker 9: people view the system of capitalism that we have today,
Speaker 9: which is very very much not you know this the
Speaker 9: pure capitalism or lazy fair capitalism, which has never existed.
Speaker 9: We have crony capitalism. We have a system where you know,
Speaker 9: it has produced a K shaped economy where you've got
Speaker 9: as you were saying, guys were saying very spertly. I
Speaker 9: think in the past segment that people and actually we
Speaker 9: said on Thart crime. Of course, people love to clip
Speaker 9: things out of context. That what we were talking about,
Speaker 9: and Blake, you remember because you were there.
Speaker 6: Somebody was on vacation.
Speaker 9: We're not going to name who. And we were talking
Speaker 9: about how in the k shaped economy since two thousand
Speaker 9: and eight, there's been a certain segment of the population
Speaker 9: that has done incredibly well, and there's another segment of
Speaker 9: the population below median income line that's basically living in
Speaker 9: recession condition since two thousand and eight, so almost twenty
Speaker 9: years now, eighteen years, and that's created this instability. Or
Speaker 9: we talked about the Genie coefficient in there, and I
Speaker 9: was specifically saying, and as we wrote about on Humans
Speaker 9: The Secret History of Communist Revolutions and How to Crush Them,
Speaker 9: a New York Times bestseller, that the communists like Mundami,
Speaker 9: who I confronted to his face in the Oval office,
Speaker 9: just want the instability. They want to use that to
Speaker 9: rise up and tear down everything. So it actually serves
Speaker 9: their purposes. And what a nationalist populist believes is that
Speaker 9: free enterprise, innovation, business, these are all great things. We
Speaker 9: love these things, but not at the expense of the nation, right,
Speaker 9: So you need to have borders. You can't have open
Speaker 9: borders as well, because if you don't have that, then
Speaker 9: you lose your nation. If you lose your nation, you
Speaker 9: lose you erode everything that you've built, everything that the
Speaker 9: Founders fought for. The Founders wanted us to be a
Speaker 9: nation state after all. And so it's that understanding that
Speaker 9: these are all tools that our country should be using
Speaker 9: to better everyone's lives. And absolutely do I support Elon
Speaker 9: Musk one hundred percent, one hundred thousand percent. But when
Speaker 9: Elon bought X, he didn't do that just out of
Speaker 9: pure market necessity or market interest. He did it out
Speaker 9: of public interest because he knew that it would be
Speaker 9: better for the nation that we have freedom of speech
Speaker 9: in the digital sphere, which is something that had we
Speaker 9: not had that, we would have lost twenty twenty four.
Speaker 9: We all know we would have if we hadn't unleashed
Speaker 9: that which produced this sort of censorship effect.
Speaker 3: So, but what you're not claiming is that you are
Speaker 3: pro socialism, pro Marxism. I'm just for the sake of clarity.
Speaker 9: I would love I would love to find anyone. I
Speaker 9: would challenge anyone out there to have find any anyone
Speaker 9: on the right or even in politics, who is more
Speaker 9: anti communist than the guy who literally invented Franco Friday.
Speaker 3: Okay, but I just this stuff gets clipped on social
Speaker 3: media and it gets taken a thousand different ways, and
Speaker 3: I just want to be very clear. Charlie loved capitalism,
Speaker 3: He loved markets. He believed that it was the most proven,
Speaker 3: moral and effective economic system that has ever been used
Speaker 3: anywhere in the world, and that it's essentially an outgrowth
Speaker 3: of human nature that we naturally want to trade goods
Speaker 3: and services. Your your clarification here is that you wanted
Speaker 3: to work for the good of American families, the good
Speaker 3: of American the American people, can communities, and that there
Speaker 3: are certain limitations regulations that do make sense. You mentioned immigration,
Speaker 3: which is one that I referenced in the previous segment. Yeah,
Speaker 3: immigration and trade loves to have unfettered mass migration for
Speaker 3: cheap labor. And by the way that I've gone to
Speaker 3: something we've rejected. I gave a speech.
Speaker 9: I gave a speech at Seapack two years ago where
Speaker 9: I laid all this out.
Speaker 6: I said, this is the.
Speaker 9: Biggest difference between sort of the old right and the
Speaker 9: new right, and that we have more of an emphasis
Speaker 9: on immigration and trade, specifically those two issues. And you
Speaker 9: can't separate the old right, which wanted open borders, free markets,
Speaker 9: which included the free flow of peoples, because they were
Speaker 9: saying that people are like a world market, and we said, yeah.
Speaker 6: We don't agree with that.
Speaker 9: And then of course when we talk about trade, that
Speaker 9: brings up the question of China, that brings us up
Speaker 9: the question of so many things that we've done, which
Speaker 9: obviously President Trump has confronted in something that I've been
Speaker 9: talking about for twenty years now, going back to when
Speaker 9: I lived in China and worked for the Shanghai Chamber
Speaker 9: of Commerce American Chabor Commerce, and saw how incredibly imbalanced
Speaker 9: that was, and of course saw that there were people
Speaker 9: who were, you know, the Kevin o'learys of the world,
Speaker 9: were getting fabulously wealthy off of this by exploiting the
Speaker 9: Laubaijing of China and then also screwing over the Middle
Speaker 9: Americans of which JD. Vance is of course a member.
Speaker 9: And really I think that these forces are the forces
Speaker 9: that brought the mag of movement to the four in
Speaker 9: the first place. This is why Donald Trump won in
Speaker 9: twenty sixteen. This is why he were won the rust belt.
Speaker 3: This is why jd.
Speaker 9: Vance Is had his political career. If you look back
Speaker 9: at Hillbilly Elegy, it's because of all of these.
Speaker 3: Forces that we're talking about.
Speaker 9: I mean, this isn't a separate issue.
Speaker 6: This is the issue.
Speaker 5: I just I think it's just worth emphasizing, guys. Socialism
Speaker 5: sucks was one of the earliest lines from Turning Point.
Speaker 6: For a reason. It does suck.
Speaker 5: We love free markets, but remember you cannot serve both
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Speaker 3: to draw your eyes and your attention to the wonderful
Speaker 3: state of Wisconsin, and there is a race up there
Speaker 3: that we haven't spent a whole lot of time talking about.
Speaker 3: But the star of this part of the hour, this
Speaker 3: part of the show is going to be a woman
Speaker 3: named Francesca Hong. She is a radical, looney tune lefty
Speaker 3: who is likely going to be the Democrat nominee for governor.
Speaker 3: And we call it, we use the word democrat loosely here,
Speaker 3: Blake because she's legitimately as far left as they come.
Speaker 3: She is a Zoron Mom Donnie look alike, and her
Speaker 3: last name's Hong, and she's going up against Tom Tiffany,
Speaker 3: who's a great guy who is running as the Republican
Speaker 3: nominee for governor. And we just got to play some
Speaker 3: of these clips, Blake, because the more you see, the
Speaker 3: more you hate her. And I really do mean that.
Speaker 3: Like she you've got to play her back in her
Speaker 3: own words. So I'm gonna start here and then I'll
Speaker 3: have you react on the other side, Blake.
Speaker 10: St seven, you championed in the legislature trans inclusive legislation,
Speaker 10: even as publican opinion has shifted. Big majorities now support
Speaker 10: bands on trans females and women's sports and medical interventions
Speaker 10: for minors. So what are you going to tell Tom
Speaker 10: Tiffany when he calls you a radical transactivist?
Speaker 3: What's radical is that we still have a seven twenty
Speaker 3: five dollars minimum wage, all right, So radical transactivist instantly
Speaker 3: pivots to economics. That is that has got to be
Speaker 3: pull tested, Blake.
Speaker 5: But the thing is she actually has just such a
Speaker 5: history of radical ideas. This is the classic play where
Speaker 5: now she's the front runner for governor in no small
Speaker 5: part because all of her potential rivals are getting taken out.
Speaker 5: There was a more I hesitate to say moderate, it's
Speaker 5: still a Democrat, but a more moderate front runner who
Speaker 5: had a scandal with her financial reporting poof taken out.
Speaker 5: There was another rival, Mandela Barnes, he dropped out. It's
Speaker 5: basically everyone's quit, so they're almost certainly going to be
Speaker 5: stuck with this woman.
Speaker 6: And she just has one loop after another.
Speaker 5: She has this long history of endorsing abolish the Police,
Speaker 5: she has a long history of endorsing anti white resentment,
Speaker 5: and now she's trying to drag it back and say, oh,
Speaker 5: this is just about economics. Her economics are still loopy
Speaker 5: as well, but it at least is not as obviously
Speaker 5: deranged to ordinary voters as all of the abolish the
Speaker 5: police stuff that's going on. And I want to highlight
Speaker 5: a few of those things. It's like she has a
Speaker 5: tweet from twenty twenty where kid, why are you eating
Speaker 5: dad's chicken bones? And she goes, because I'm not white
Speaker 5: for real, though. It's alarming how differently we consume trick
Speaker 5: and drumsticks she's called to. In twenty twenty, she called
Speaker 5: to abolish Thanksgiving and said this should have been done
Speaker 5: in sixteen twenty one. She said they had to leave
Speaker 5: a Culver's. There's a million clovers in Wisconsin. I feel
Speaker 5: like it's a state law you gotta like it to
Speaker 5: run for governor, And she says I had to leave
Speaker 5: mostly just because I was on the verge of an
Speaker 5: anxiety attack. Too many old white people who didn't think
Speaker 5: he spoke English, which I don't know if there's any
Speaker 5: evidence of that. I think she probably just invented that
Speaker 5: in her head. And on top of that, she's given
Speaker 5: interviews where she's talked about having a bipolar mental breakdown
Speaker 5: where she was cutting herself late in high school, and
Speaker 5: now she's going to run to run an entire state,
Speaker 5: and mental health can be a real problem, and you
Speaker 5: should get help. If you have problems, you should get help.
Speaker 5: You probably should not run a state if you have
Speaker 5: a history of psychotic breaks. That's what I would say.
Speaker 3: It looks like we have Alex Marlowe joining us now.
Speaker 3: Alex is the editor in chief of breit Bart host
Speaker 3: the Alex marlow Show. Alex how crazy is this hon character?
Speaker 3: And how worried should we be that she might be
Speaker 3: running Wisconsin in a few months.
Speaker 11: I'm super worried. I've done a lot of research on Wisconsin.
Speaker 11: This is one of the breeding grounds for left wing
Speaker 11: activist violence in the country. Madison in particular. But it
Speaker 11: really is a hub before a lot of the most
Speaker 11: radical elements of the American left. It's a purple shading
Speaker 11: general and I think there's a ton of salt of
Speaker 11: the Earth people there. But in some of these they
Speaker 11: have huge university systems that are incubators for far left people.
Speaker 11: I want to go through some of her stuff. Blake
Speaker 11: did a great job, and I'm going to even add
Speaker 11: to more of it. She's not just for defunding police.
Speaker 11: She wants to abolish the police. And this is twenty twenty.
Speaker 11: This is not a million years ago. This is recent.
Speaker 11: She said, in a perfect world, we would be without prisons.
Speaker 11: She called you cancel Thanksgiving. She was mad about Culver's,
Speaker 11: which is a really good fast food place, that there
Speaker 11: are too many white people there. You got to remember
Speaker 11: the whole Democrat Party is run by people who care
Speaker 11: about identity more than anything else, and she's tipping a
Speaker 11: lot of those boxes as best she can. Of course,
Speaker 11: she hates ice. She's called to abolish the Senate, the
Speaker 11: US Senate, which means she doesn't even like states, which
Speaker 11: is ironic that she wants to run a state. She
Speaker 11: didn't even like states. So it's all of this extreme socialist,
Speaker 11: extreme lawlessness, extreme identity politics. And I think we should
Speaker 11: not gloss over Blake's point about mental disease. I looked
Speaker 11: up to see if she has any diagnosable mental conditions,
Speaker 11: and there's none available. But she certainly seems like someone
Speaker 11: where you think, I don't know if this woman's right
Speaker 11: in the head.
Speaker 5: Well we can actually answer that, not Alex Like, was
Speaker 5: she diagnosed, she says in an interview, and I believe
Speaker 5: this is twenty three, It was a few years ago,
Speaker 5: and she says, I was diagnosed with bipolar disease. She
Speaker 5: calls it bipolar disorder. I was taking ssriys I overdosed
Speaker 5: on lithium. So this is what she herself has said
Speaker 5: about her own background in mental health.
Speaker 11: Andrew, but think about how this gives her a victim
Speaker 11: status that actually has currency in the Democrat Party that
Speaker 11: it's no longer about are you sharp? Are you accomplished?
Speaker 11: That's not even a good thing. Is they actually dine
Speaker 11: out more on their victimhood and being able to say
Speaker 11: how they were oppressed. They're obsessed with privilege. If you
Speaker 11: have mental health issues, then this is the opposite of privilege. Remember,
Speaker 11: Asian women are the most educated demographic in the country,
Speaker 11: so is a She comes from a privileged demographic, and
Speaker 11: she's probably thinking about that when she's leaning into other
Speaker 11: stuff that does not that that makes you seem like
Speaker 11: more a victim.
Speaker 3: Listen to this. This is her talking to Hassan Piker,
Speaker 3: who of course has endorsed her candidacy. SOT nine, Can.
Speaker 12: I be honest, be honest.
Speaker 7: I was crying during Congresswoman Omar's.
Speaker 12: Speech, so I went up like trying to get my together.
Speaker 13: But I think overall, I'm just very grateful.
Speaker 3: She was crying during ilhan Omar's speech, because that's a
Speaker 3: totally normal thing to do. Ilhan Omar, who is the
Speaker 3: ingrate who hates America. This is the new breed of Democrats,
Speaker 3: and it's terrifying and it should be. And they're all
Speaker 3: mental cases.
Speaker 11: True, and it just reminds me of ilhan Omar. I
Speaker 11: guess married her brother. I guess it's the I say
Speaker 11: I guess because I want a caveat in case there's
Speaker 11: any legal issues. And then we learned that Troy Jackson
Speaker 11: is making kids with his second cousin out in Maine.
Speaker 11: It's a Is there a sane Democrat who's on a
Speaker 11: national stage right now? Is there someone who's like a genuine,
Speaker 11: relatable human being. We got the cartoon character Haley Stevens
Speaker 11: in Michigan who is affected that's not really actually talks,
Speaker 11: by the way, that's all an affectation. It's just a
Speaker 11: race to be who can be the nuttiest person. And
Speaker 11: that is what's I know why, because that makes it
Speaker 11: so that for fundraising, it's easier because you go viral,
Speaker 11: and every time we talk about these people on their shows,
Speaker 11: they fundraise off it and they make money. So we're
Speaker 11: building up these characters that are incredibly compelling and horrifying
Speaker 11: but also pose a real threat if they get actual power.
Speaker 3: Oh Uz, I mean there's so much clip, so many
Speaker 3: clips that we can play here. And by the way,
Speaker 3: I think it's it's worth you mentioned main second cousins.
Speaker 3: It truly is tall. Rico is saying more and more
Speaker 3: insane stuff. It is difficult to look at the Democrat
Speaker 3: national candidacy map and see anybody that you would want
Speaker 3: to actually invite into your family home like that is
Speaker 3: that is the benchmark for me when I'm talking about
Speaker 3: do I like these people. Do I trust these people,
Speaker 3: and there really is a dearth of normal people on
Speaker 3: the left of this on the left of this country.
Speaker 3: Got to play some clips here, Alex, because it's just,
Speaker 3: I mean, these people are it's just like a it's
Speaker 3: like a clown show. Let's not forget about Abdul l
Speaker 3: sai Ed who is in Michigan. It's probably gonna be
Speaker 3: this Democrat senator. There was a candidate for Senate from Michigan.
Speaker 3: Play cut thirteen.
Speaker 10: And I also want to remind you guys that there
Speaker 10: are a lot of people in Dearborn who are sad today.
Speaker 12: So like, I just don't want to comment on Tomna
Speaker 12: at all.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's worth even touching that, and.
Speaker 3: Not to be outpaced by James tal Rico tot sixteen.
Speaker 2: God is both masculine and feminine and everything in between.
Speaker 1: God is non binary.
Speaker 3: God is non binary. We don't want to comment on Kameani.
Speaker 3: It just it's truly remarkable the candidates that have been
Speaker 3: fielded on the Democrat ledger this cycle, Alex. This is
Speaker 3: historically awful. Their bench is very very weak, and yet
Speaker 3: these people really could.
Speaker 11: Win exactly and Saye's got that same slate of issues
Speaker 11: where he wants to abolish eyes, he wants to defund
Speaker 11: the police. He's buddies with Hassam Piker, who thought the
Speaker 11: USA deserved nine to eleven. He does all sorts of
Speaker 11: different pandering. But I'll tell you don't underestimate said because
Speaker 11: he's got some real political skills. When he goes on
Speaker 11: the stump, he's re likable and he sticks with this message.
Speaker 11: We're getting money out of politics, we're doing medicare for all.
Speaker 11: These things pull very well and he's very good at
Speaker 11: staying on message. So I think he's gonna win by
Speaker 11: a lot tomorrow in the primary, and he'll be a
Speaker 11: formidable general candidate. But he has so many holes in
Speaker 11: his game because he's a socialist who also wants an
Speaker 11: open border, which is impossible, you can't do that mathematically.
Speaker 11: And he's a socialist who made over seven hundred K
Speaker 11: last year and as a bunch of international real estate holds,
Speaker 11: which is really tough because he should theoretically be donating
Speaker 11: all that money to socialist causes. Right, I mean, he's
Speaker 11: got enough, Right, why does he need hundreds of thousands
Speaker 11: of extra dollars plus a bunch of real estate in
Speaker 11: come every year.
Speaker 3: It is some of that.
Speaker 11: I don't know why there's socialist or tolerant of this,
Speaker 11: but they will be because they've tolerated much worse Bernie
Speaker 11: Sanders's three houses. Talla Rico this weekend, it was someone
Speaker 11: said to him in a Q and A that Carmelo
Speaker 11: Anthony's death was a tragedy, or the carmel ow Anthony
Speaker 11: situation with a tragedy. He's not dead, but he murdered
Speaker 11: a guy in cold blood and got convicted, and it's
Speaker 11: not a tragedy. That's a murderer. And it's just one
Speaker 11: of these things where he does not know how to
Speaker 11: pivot away from the hard left and the Democrats from
Speaker 11: disasters trying to flip Texas and these are just I
Speaker 11: don't think cal Rico is the guy to do it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I want to.
Speaker 5: I want to nipick one thing Andrew, which is just
Speaker 5: only that their bench. I wouldn't say it's very weak.
Speaker 5: I think they're very nutty. I think they're very crazy.
Speaker 5: But a lot of these people this is what passes.
Speaker 5: This is what political talent is on left, This ability
Speaker 5: to spout really radical rhetoric in a way that's engaging
Speaker 5: to young people. They're going on Hassan Piker. Hassan Piker.
Speaker 5: He's a very popular guy. And I think we always
Speaker 5: put ourselves in danger when we emphasize that this could
Speaker 5: be politically damaging.
Speaker 6: I think it could be, but.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: This is a thing I've seen over and over on
Speaker 5: the right for years where they run a crazy person
Speaker 5: and we think that's made our lives easier, when what
Speaker 5: we first of all need to think is this is
Speaker 5: putting our country in grave danger because all of these people,
Speaker 5: as messed up as they are, even if they're having
Speaker 5: these psychotic breakdowns like miss hang It or Miss hang Iss,
Speaker 5: once they're in office, they will be very good at
Speaker 5: one thing, which is executing on their actual political agenda,
Speaker 5: and we need to make sure everyone is fully aware
Speaker 5: of what that agenda is. That prison abolition, radical increase
Speaker 5: in leniency on criminals. That's a very real thing that
Speaker 5: they'll roll out abolishing ice. They're going to go all
Speaker 5: out on that. A lot of them have found ways
Speaker 5: to make a free Palestine an issue even in state politics,
Speaker 5: so you're going to see them pursuing third world foreign
Speaker 5: policies as state level officials. All of this is on
Speaker 5: the table with the left, and it's only getting stronger.
Speaker 5: This is an opportunity for us to warn moderates and say, look,
Speaker 5: you need to get on board. You need to make
Speaker 5: sure that we hang on or very radical stuff will
Speaker 5: be unleashed, or it will get absolutely out of control.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't disagree with you, Blake at all. I
Speaker 3: believe that they have a massive opportunity to win in
Speaker 3: this cycle specifically, but there has to be an acknowledgment
Speaker 3: from our side that when wealth and equality becomes so extreme,
Speaker 3: and I blame COVID for that, I blame printing money
Speaker 3: more than anything, by the way, because it sparks inflation,
Speaker 3: which helps the economic incumbents that own assets, that own
Speaker 3: real estate, that own stocks and bonds. Those people benefit
Speaker 3: really a tremendous amount during those types of cycles, and
Speaker 3: the working class gets host. So this becomes a really
Speaker 3: big problem that can radicalize our politics. And you're seeing
Speaker 3: those chickens come home to roost in the rise of DSA.
Speaker 3: So our messaging has to acknowledge some of those issues,
Speaker 3: and it has to say we're fighting for nationalist, populist
Speaker 3: policies that are going to onshore manufacturing, on shore wealth
Speaker 3: creation here at home, and we need to be real
Speaker 3: about that. But we love capitalism, but we have to
Speaker 3: acknowledge that there are people that are being left behind
Speaker 3: right now and there are reasons for that, and it's
Speaker 3: bad policy. It's not capitalism, it's bad policy. Alex. Final
Speaker 3: minute to you on that topic. Specifically, What do we
Speaker 3: need to do from a messaging standpoint.
Speaker 11: Yeah, perfect place to add the discussion, because every minute
Speaker 11: we're not talking about making life more affordable for Americans
Speaker 11: is a minute that's wasted. And I see a lot
Speaker 11: of the wisdom and a lot of the stuff that
Speaker 11: President Trump is taking on right now, and I see
Speaker 11: a lot of lack of wisdom and a lot of
Speaker 11: the Democrats agenda. But it really is a race to
Speaker 11: you who can talk the most about affordability for working
Speaker 11: class Americans. That is the coalition that the Republicans have
Speaker 11: road to victory over the past decade. And the Democrats
Speaker 11: have seeded that they think they're gonna win with a
Speaker 11: lot of identity stuff. But whoever can effectively talk about
Speaker 11: how to make life more affordable, whether it be healthcare
Speaker 11: or housing for us. The messaging is we're stealing down
Speaker 11: the border. We're gonna do deportations. We're gonna protect American workers,
Speaker 11: our wages and our home prices. If we do that,
Speaker 11: we're winning. And if we're talking about other stuff' wasting time.
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Speaker 3: R USA, and Kean Simone and he's another Frontlines editor.
Speaker 3: They have a huge story here about of Canada and
Speaker 3: how the Canadian border is now getting exploited, and they
Speaker 3: brought some much needed attention to this. So Taylor, let's
Speaker 3: start with you here. What have you found? Paint the
Speaker 3: big picture for us, and then I'm gonna play some
Speaker 3: of these clips that prove the thesis of your argument.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we found quite a bit, to say the least.
Speaker 14: And you know, I'll start putting it this way, is
Speaker 14: there is a I would describe it as a massive
Speaker 14: decentralized network that is highly organized all the way from
Speaker 14: India to Brampton and other areas of Canada that are
Speaker 14: actually facilitating what you would call mass legal immigration into
Speaker 14: the United States of almost almost into digitally and specifically
Speaker 14: Indian illegal immigrants through the North border. And these are
Speaker 14: Indian smuggling gangs.
Speaker 1: As well that are facilitating this.
Speaker 14: So you usually have the fixer in India and they
Speaker 14: basically connect you with human smugglers in Canada that have
Speaker 14: abused Canada's largely broken immigration and visa system and then
Speaker 14: they then essentially just pour over our border because there
Speaker 14: is non existent RCMP or CBP responses.
Speaker 3: And those acronyms are the Royal Canadian.
Speaker 1: Canadian mount pe explain the acronyms.
Speaker 14: Yeah, so you have the Royal Amounted Canadian Police and
Speaker 14: that's essentially what we would describe as our border patrol
Speaker 14: here in the United States. And then you have CBP,
Speaker 14: which is that is basically immigration customs, so that is
Speaker 14: our side of the border. So on either side of
Speaker 14: the border there is next to no actual security.
Speaker 3: This is how bad it is. Twenty two the lake.
Speaker 8: She said that we would be taking through a lake.
Speaker 1: If you want a walk of thoughts.
Speaker 8: Through this cont without closing on the streaming.
Speaker 1: Service, I'm a journalist.
Speaker 14: Do you guys, Are you guys interested in giving me
Speaker 14: a comment on why you guys.
Speaker 1: Are illegally smuggling humans into America? Oh?
Speaker 3: Yes, really got him? What's happening in that clip?
Speaker 14: Now, we actually had just met with a human smuggler
Speaker 14: in person that we were connected with through a fixer
Speaker 14: that we had been speaking to for a few days.
Speaker 14: And this fixture was located in India. He connected us
Speaker 14: with a multitude of smuggling or so actually in Canada
Speaker 14: that we're on Canadian visas through Indian and they then
Speaker 14: essentially met up with us in person. My backstory was
Speaker 14: that I'm going to be smuggling into the United States,
Speaker 14: as well as my wife and my nine year old child.
Speaker 14: We met up with him in person, and this was
Speaker 14: actually after the fact.
Speaker 1: We basically were.
Speaker 14: Just dragging them along, saying, oh, I need to convince
Speaker 14: my wife, you know, she's scared, trying to pull as
Speaker 14: many details out as possible, and once we had enough
Speaker 14: details and had actually met with him face to face,
Speaker 14: got his face on camera. Seeing how large this one
Speaker 14: specific network was. You had over three car different cars
Speaker 14: show up. An actual taxi showed up to deliver us
Speaker 14: to the northern board where we walk across, and that
Speaker 14: was us actually calling him and trying to confront him,
Speaker 14: and he actually did give us a comment. Surprisingly enough,
Speaker 14: we were very surprised, and he just kind of tried
Speaker 14: to play it off as you know, they were good
Speaker 14: Samaritans helping people that were struggling in Canada get to
Speaker 14: the United States illegally, but that it's not illegal because
Speaker 14: these people are in trouble.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was so remarkable. I was just rewatching your
Speaker 5: footage this morning and just I think it's important to.
Speaker 6: Impress this upon people.
Speaker 5: We've heard about the Mexican border for ages, and it's
Speaker 5: actually a pretty involved process. There are walls along there,
Speaker 5: we have constant CBP patrols all along it. We have,
Speaker 5: and it's harsh landscape. So you get these coyotes and
Speaker 5: they're walking you across this desert landscape difficult. You can
Speaker 5: die in a variety of ways. And we've been so
Speaker 5: used to Canada being this developed country with a sane system,
Speaker 5: so we don't have as many protections along that border.
Speaker 5: We haven't seen as many people illegally come over this.
Speaker 5: And I just want to play this clip because it
Speaker 5: drives home how wide open it actually is and how
Speaker 5: word is getting out about that where it just takes
Speaker 5: a few minutes to cross the border up there.
Speaker 6: Let's play clip twenty four.
Speaker 1: Hello you got the car?
Speaker 8: Brother?
Speaker 1: What brother?
Speaker 8: Are you guarding the car?
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm still kind of trying to talk my
Speaker 1: wife into it. She's just getting scared. How how fast
Speaker 1: does somebody pick us up in New York?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 8: Only five minutes further?
Speaker 13: Like you for next then we didn't five minutes day
Speaker 13: will be a car come to pick you up.
Speaker 5: So that's all it is, to my understanding. You walk
Speaker 5: through the woods for ten to fifteen minutes and there's
Speaker 5: a car on some back country road, pick it up,
Speaker 5: and presumably there are maybe hundreds thousands of people who've
Speaker 5: done that. And you can describe this how you were
Speaker 5: basically offered some new job that you could show up
Speaker 5: no paperwork, imagining you were one of these foreigners. And
Speaker 5: I think it was in Chicago, Like you just walk
Speaker 5: across fifteen minutes, five minutes of car picks you up. Bam,
Speaker 5: you have an illegal job in America.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 14: Well, and it's not just a job, and that you know,
Speaker 14: the H one B debate has been kind of widely
Speaker 14: brought up among the right in the recent years because
Speaker 14: it's just been it's not used for what it is
Speaker 14: actually supposed to be used for anymore. It's just being
Speaker 14: abused in masks. And this kind of renders the H
Speaker 14: one B idea, you know, kind of useless at this point,
Speaker 14: because that's obviously a system that's being abused in mass
Speaker 14: right now. But it proves that you don't even need
Speaker 14: an H one B to either live or work in
Speaker 14: America at this point. And they hadn't just offer jobs.
Speaker 14: They actually offer free housing, a job to pay any
Speaker 14: additional bills. They offer you free food and free transportation,
Speaker 14: So these people are illegally walking across, and who knows
Speaker 14: the realistic numbers. I mean, I'm in multiple of these
Speaker 14: group chats, and I get I'd say just in one
Speaker 14: group chat a day out of the dozen that I'm in,
Speaker 14: are ten to fifteen successful crossing videos and stories that
Speaker 14: are happening.
Speaker 1: So this is happening a lot more than people think.
Speaker 14: And then they are being funneled into places like Chicago, Newark,
Speaker 14: New Jersey. The demographic change we've seen in New Jersey
Speaker 14: isn't a happy coincidence.
Speaker 1: These are people illegally coming across.
Speaker 14: They may have people on H one v's already in
Speaker 14: these cities, or they have an understanding that hey, I
Speaker 14: came from an area like Brampton, which is, you know,
Speaker 14: a massive Indian on Cleven, Canada. I want to be
Speaker 14: around with the same people that are also from India
Speaker 14: in the United States. So they funnel into a place
Speaker 14: like New Jersey and even all the way down to Texas.
Speaker 14: So they're going to these places and they're connected with
Speaker 14: even deeper networks that are in America operating in America
Speaker 14: as well, So it's an entire pipeline all the way
Speaker 14: from India to camp of the and into the United States.
Speaker 3: So Kean, you are part of this reporting as well.
Speaker 3: What did you notice? What were what were the big
Speaker 3: takeaways from you? What shocked you the most? I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm sitting here kind of my jaws on the floor
Speaker 3: because it's just so infuriating. What did you notice that
Speaker 3: really took you aback?
Speaker 13: That's that's the funny thing. I'm actually Canadian myself. I'm
Speaker 13: not shocked at this. I've known that this is happening.
Speaker 13: This has happened for the last fifteen twenty years. Obviously
Speaker 13: it's gotten worse through the peakers of I'd say the
Speaker 13: last six and then it kind of quieted down now.
Speaker 13: But like the story really manifested because because I've been
Speaker 13: trying to get my US visa and I've been having
Speaker 13: a hell of a time and which might make your
Speaker 13: viewers happy, but.
Speaker 8: Because I've had so much time, such a hard time.
Speaker 13: When I tell my friends their family, like what's going on,
Speaker 13: I've had multiple people say just get an Indian to
Speaker 13: bring you across. And that's how widely known and open
Speaker 13: and just nonchal want that conversation is here.
Speaker 8: So when I was.
Speaker 13: Like, we because we talk about this and we don't
Speaker 13: look at it from an American angle. So when I
Speaker 13: brought this story to Taylor, I'm like, this is like,
Speaker 13: this is an American story. This is not a Canadian
Speaker 13: story at all. What shocked me the most is we
Speaker 13: have a we had a student visa program where we.
Speaker 8: Brought in literally millions of Indians.
Speaker 13: Which millions is a lot for Canada because our population
Speaker 13: is so low, it's like forty million. So we brought
Speaker 13: in I think it was like two million student visas
Speaker 13: for Indians. And the whole idea was because they went missing,
Speaker 13: Like there was like fifty thousand people missing, that didn't
Speaker 13: go to school, that came here for student visa, that
Speaker 13: never showed up the class once. My theory was like,
Speaker 13: I think that they're gone to the States, and we
Speaker 13: kind of ran with it, and I think that theory
Speaker 13: it proved itself to be true.
Speaker 6: I think that's very true.
Speaker 5: Uh Kenon, I was just joking with Andrew with that
Speaker 5: mighty red green show beard there. I feel like, you're
Speaker 5: the last Canadian who still looks like a Canadian. But
Speaker 5: maybe we'll get you into the United States. We want
Speaker 5: we like the good Canadians folks, but they have that
Speaker 5: fifty thousand number is crazy. So I want to put
Speaker 5: that in perspective. Guys, Remember America is about ten times
Speaker 5: the size of Canada. So you think of those miners
Speaker 5: who showed up at our border, half a million of
Speaker 5: them going missing. Canada's version of that is fifty thousand
Speaker 5: student visas. They show up here to study in Canada
Speaker 5: and they poof away. There's literal just TikTok. Guides call
Speaker 5: us go here, and you can, as we just learned,
Speaker 5: get a car in five minutes, drive into the United
Speaker 5: States to a job. And I suspect that's happening all
Speaker 5: over the country.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's it can't be said enough that they're
Speaker 3: going to places like New York because we have bastions
Speaker 3: of lawlessness in our own country. So they create magnets
Speaker 3: in a place where these people can then go and
Speaker 3: get illegal employee because these are bastions of lawlessness, of
Speaker 3: illegal immigration. They fight ICE, they fight CBP, they fight
Speaker 3: the Trump administration. And I want to talk about the
Speaker 3: social media of it all as well, and how blatant
Speaker 3: and brazen this is on social media.
Speaker 14: That was us actually meeting with the human smuggler. As
Speaker 14: you know kind of touched on earlier. This is the
Speaker 14: exact same thing and the same tactic that the cartels
Speaker 14: on the southern border use is they would blatantly advertise
Speaker 14: on platforms like TikTok and Instagram with very specific keywords
Speaker 14: and you know, basically to acquire Americans to smuggle illegal
Speaker 14: immigrants over.
Speaker 1: And this is the exact same thing they're doing.
Speaker 14: All you need to do, and I implore every viewer
Speaker 14: that's watching this to do it go on Instagram and
Speaker 14: type in Canada to USA safe and you will almost
Speaker 14: immediately see just keep scrolling, you'll see hundreds to thousands
Speaker 14: of blatant ads targeting these these Indians on visa programs
Speaker 14: that have essentially just flooded Canada to cross the border illegally.
Speaker 14: And it's as simple as it shows. Of WhatsApp message.
Speaker 14: You shoot that person a message that's going to be
Speaker 14: the fixer, usually located in India, and within the exact
Speaker 14: same day, sometimes almost even immediately, they will connect you
Speaker 14: to an entire network of human smugglers operating in Canada.
Speaker 5: So, yeah, you say you just searched, Yeah, you searched
Speaker 5: US Canada. What was that exact search term. I want
Speaker 5: to see if we can get someone to find one
Speaker 5: real quick.
Speaker 1: It's Canada to USA safe.
Speaker 5: Thousands of these did you see are there? Are they
Speaker 5: in a bunch of languages, What sort of prices are
Speaker 5: they quoting? I know you guys had one that was
Speaker 5: it was ninety five hundred dollars to pay the drivers.
Speaker 5: Because of course the guy who was smuggling you said
Speaker 5: he was just doing this as a do gooder thing.
Speaker 5: But what was maybe the lowest price you saw that
Speaker 5: you thought was was a real offer where they strung
Speaker 5: out all along the border, like where there ones in
Speaker 5: Canada or in Vancouver and then Manitoba and then maybe
Speaker 5: out in New Brunswick. Just I want to really give
Speaker 5: people the sense of what the ale of this is,
Speaker 5: what the other.
Speaker 8: It's what the other province is.
Speaker 13: The lowest that we found was three thousand dollars, But
Speaker 13: they don't actually advertise the price.
Speaker 8: You have to talk to them.
Speaker 13: And that's what Taylor and I found out in the
Speaker 13: while we're investigating this is like they they will when
Speaker 13: the fixer fixes you with the other smugglers that you
Speaker 13: can kind of band barter with them. And it's not
Speaker 13: like a fixed price you can negotiate down. But yes,
Speaker 13: this does happen in It's called Surrey. It's right beside Vancouver.
Speaker 13: It's our second largest Indian population, and that is right
Speaker 13: above Washington.
Speaker 8: I believe that's also just a very easy crossing.
Speaker 13: It happens in Saskatchewana, Manitoba not so much, but it
Speaker 13: does happen enough to to to notice. It kind of
Speaker 13: stopped in Manitoba because a few people died through the
Speaker 13: winter because it's so dang cold there. But usually it
Speaker 13: just happens in Quebec and then more east just because
Speaker 13: the border is.
Speaker 8: So so it's so easy. I hate saying it's so
Speaker 8: easy to there's so.
Speaker 13: Many points across, like there's not that many official crossings,
Speaker 13: but there is a ton of ways to get over,
Speaker 13: literally just crossing over through a forest, or you walk
Speaker 13: across the river, or you walk across someone's.
Speaker 8: Beach, which we discovered.
Speaker 13: So it does happen all over the country, not so
Speaker 13: much Ontario because of the Great Lakes and the only
Speaker 13: way to get across is to official crossings, But it
Speaker 13: happens through the entire country, and it's a huge border.
Speaker 3: It's absolutely massive. Let's play this clip. We have not
Speaker 3: played this one. It's not twenty three.
Speaker 12: Muggler number one is directly adjacent to me in this
Speaker 12: parking lot in the motel, driving a gray Hound a civic.
Speaker 12: He was an Indian guy, probably about twenty years old.
Speaker 12: We spoke extensively about it. He seemed pretty sketched out
Speaker 12: at first, realizing you know, I'm a guy, but we
Speaker 12: kind of smooth talked him down, just said that my
Speaker 12: wife is worried. You know, we have our kid with us.
Speaker 12: And he ended up actually showing me the location on
Speaker 12: the lake that we were going to cross. He said,
Speaker 12: we don't have to cross the lake. We're going to
Speaker 12: basically it's a ten to fifteen minute walk, is what
Speaker 12: he said, through the woods to the right of a
Speaker 12: border checkpoint, and then they would then pick me up
Speaker 12: in the United States of America, and then they would
Speaker 12: drive us into basically upstate.
Speaker 3: New York City. It's just unbelievable. There's so much land.
Speaker 3: I just think about how vast that border is and
Speaker 3: the fact that there's fifty thousand missing Indian students out
Speaker 3: of Canada. They've probably got some job at some bodega
Speaker 3: in New York City, right now doesn't track any of
Speaker 3: these people that have made it to the United States.
Speaker 3: Do we know anything about some of these people that
Speaker 3: have used this smuggling service.
Speaker 14: Well, I'd say the large majority of them are usually
Speaker 14: ending up either in Vermont or New York. Those are
Speaker 14: the two major crossing points that we were investigating. But
Speaker 14: I mean, we were offered a job time job in
Speaker 14: housing in either Milwaukee or Chicago. And then you see,
Speaker 14: literally yesterday it came out. I don't know if you
Speaker 14: guys were aware of it, but it was this massive
Speaker 14: video of this huge Palestinian caravan basically backing up a
Speaker 14: highway for hours at a time, and they're waving foreign flags,
Speaker 14: basically asking for their own independent state in Punjab in India.
Speaker 1: And this is a great example.
Speaker 14: This is in Indiana, out of all places, so it's
Speaker 14: not just centralized to one area. Of course, the majority
Speaker 14: of them do end up in New York in places.
Speaker 1: Like you know, Vermont and Indiana.
Speaker 14: New Jersey is a very big hot spot as we
Speaker 14: see that enclave grow, but it goes all the way
Speaker 14: down to Texas, it even comes to Utah, it goes
Speaker 14: to Washington.
Speaker 1: Washington is facing.
Speaker 14: A really big issue with that, and on top of that,
Speaker 14: Washington is also facing a lot of fentanyl tracking from
Speaker 14: these similar and adjacent groups as well. So it doesn't
Speaker 14: just end with human smuggling in mass. It also extends
Speaker 14: to bringing poison into our country through the northern border
Speaker 14: now that the south has been a little more secure.
Speaker 3: Keen, final thoughts to you as the resident Canadian. You
Speaker 3: know what you said, This has been going on for years.
Speaker 3: How do we stop it?
Speaker 8: Build another wall? I think you'd have to.
Speaker 13: Cover that mass, that land mass, with so much security.
Speaker 13: You would need drones, you would need like all of
Speaker 13: the stuff that you have on the southern border, you
Speaker 13: would have to put that up north too. There's no
Speaker 13: other way. Our country is lost. Our immigration is over
Speaker 13: over it, and we we literally that fifty thousand number
Speaker 13: is only a number because those people never once showed
Speaker 13: up the class. You could show up the class once,
Speaker 13: then you would be compliant, and then they would lose
Speaker 13: track of you until they have to come try to find.
Speaker 8: You again to make your compliant again. There's other visas
Speaker 8: that you can just leave, like you can just come
Speaker 8: in and leave and we don't track you.
Speaker 3: Keenan Taylor, thank you for your great reporting here. I'm
Speaker 3: going to be sending this to my friends over at
Speaker 3: DHS right away, so God bless you both. We'll see
Speaker 3: you guys tomorrow.
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