1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: Life Audio. Hey Nathan, thanks for joining me. 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, man, this is awesome. 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: Nathan Gamble, I'm best known for his roles in Dolphin Tail, 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: Marley and Me. The Dark Knight has a new movie now. 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: I'm excited about this one called Bad Counselors. It follows 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: two frat brothers who pose as counselors at a church 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: camp at a church youth camp to fulfilled court ordered 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: community service. Comes out July twenty second. I love that plot, Nathan. 9 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: Before we turn to Bad Counselors, you started acting at 10 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: such a young age, and so many fans still know 11 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: you as Sawyer from Dolphin Tail. Looking back on that 12 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:42,279 Speaker 1: role today, what did that mean for your career? And secondly, 13 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: what is it like to be an actor who is 14 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: known for something that maybe you would wish everybody else 15 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: would know about your other stuff as well? 16 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 2: You know? 17 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: Wow? 18 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: Great one two punch questions. Well, I'm gonna ask this 19 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 2: second one. First, I don't get any recognition for or 20 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: the anti smoking commercial I did in two thousand and five. 21 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 2: That kid who was coughing on the couch, that was me. 22 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 2: I don't think I've had anyone come up to me 23 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: and say Hey, can you sign my vape or sign 24 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: my cigarette? But maybe one day, no, I think. Man, 25 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: I've been so blessed, unfortunate to be a part of 26 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 2: so many, so many cool projects, and being Sawyer and 27 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 2: Dolphintale has been really the gift that keeps on giving 28 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: because I look very different than I did in that movie. 29 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 2: I'm a little blonder, a little older, definitely a little blinder, 30 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 2: and yet there are still people who are recognize you, like, hey, 31 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: are you the kid? 32 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: Are you dolphin boy? 33 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 2: That's usually the go too, are you dolphin boy? My 34 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: parents call me dolphin boy. So it's just a part 35 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 2: of my that'll be on my tombstone, I'm sure. But 36 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 2: I get to see that these people who were inspired 37 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 2: by the movie as a kid are now having their 38 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: own kids and they're showing their kids that movie. So 39 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: it really isn't to be a part of a movie 40 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: that really feels generationally loved. 41 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: And that's all an actor ever really. 42 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: Wants to do is be a part of someone's I mean, 43 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: even on my TikTok when people come in, they're like, 44 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 2: because of this movie, I wanted to become a rem riologist, 45 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 2: And that's there, It is there, we go. We inspired 46 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 2: someone to do something that they are are passionate about, 47 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: and that's worthy work. So that I mean, I'm I 48 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: can talk about dolphin till all day and I'm not 49 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 2: like cringed out. People always ask like, is it kind 50 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 2: of cringe that you're like talking about it? Like almost 51 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 2: Let's see that was twenty ten, sixteen years later, and 52 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 2: to me, I go, no, this is awesome. I love 53 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 2: talking call me dolphin boy, I don't care typecast me 54 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 2: is the one who swims with dolphins. 55 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: I don't care. 56 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: I love working on both those movies Dolf until one 57 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 2: and two and seeing kids who are inspired by it, 58 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: seeing adults who are inspired by it, and having just 59 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 2: a little sliver of the pie in regards to how 60 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 2: the impacts and why people love it so much is 61 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: such an honor. And then in regards to like what 62 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 2: I want to be wrecked another thing to like, I 63 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: wish I was recognized by I. I was in this 64 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 2: really cool random movie called The Whole, which was directed 65 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 2: by Joe Dante. I think it still is like my 66 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 2: most fun I had on set. I fought like a 67 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 2: gesture marionette clown. It was like a goosebump style horror 68 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 2: film for kids, and I think it only aired or 69 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: it only was in Europe, but people there's like kind 70 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 2: of a cult following behind it because Joe Dante did 71 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 2: Gremlins and so anything that he touches people people really 72 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 2: cling to. But I love that movie so much. I 73 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: can't wait to show my my kids that one that 74 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 2: re turned like ten eleven like a good fun creepy 75 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 2: movies is a good time for a kid. 76 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: But so many people do. So many actors and actresses, 77 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: you know, have full careers and never even strike gold 78 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: like you struck with with Dolphin Deel. So it's pretty 79 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: cool to do that, even if it's early in life, 80 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: and you know obvious it was a screingboard for your career, 81 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: wasn't it. 82 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I had done some things before that. 83 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: I think The Mist with a Stephen King movie directed 84 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: by Frank Derbon. I did that one, but a lot 85 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: of the stuff that I did was supporting roles. And then, 86 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 2: of course the biggest little part I've ever had is 87 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 2: in The Dark Night. I played Commissioner Gordon's son, and 88 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: that is the role I think I forget about the 89 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 2: most because of how much. 90 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: I love that movie. 91 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 2: Like, I'll show people that movie and they'll be like, 92 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: you just want me to see you in this, and 93 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 2: I go, I promise you, I promise you. That is 94 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 2: not the reason. It's because this is one of the 95 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 2: greatest movies ever made. I forget that I'm in it. 96 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 2: I love it so much. But yeah, nothing too Big 97 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 2: Tail Dolph until happened, and then that sort of open 98 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 2: the floodgates in a way of like, hey, this guy 99 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 2: can this guy could be you know, number one on 100 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 2: the call sheet and not completely tank it. 101 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, Nathan, you're a person of faith, of course, 102 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: and Hollywood can be a difficult place if you are 103 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 1: a person of faith. How have you been able to 104 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: stay true to your beliefs and build a career? 105 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 2: Great question, Michael. Most of my career I was not 106 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 2: a believer. My parents were. 107 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: They love the Lord. 108 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 2: My mom prayed for me all the time. I knew 109 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 2: all the rhythms of being a Christian because they took 110 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 2: me to church every Sunday. I got confirmed or Lutheran Church, 111 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 2: and I got baptized as an infant. I didn't think 112 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: I knew the creed and I did all the things, 113 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 2: but it was all head like. It was all like, Okay, 114 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 2: this is just for my parents and just to appease 115 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 2: them because I love them so much and I still do. 116 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 2: And I didn't have anything in my heart for it though, 117 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 2: Like it was all acting in a way, and so 118 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 2: most of my career I wasn't. Until I turned nineteen, 119 00:05:55,520 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 2: I was living by myself, classic case of fresh out 120 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 2: of school thinking you know everything when really you know 121 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 2: absolutely nothing. I moved out of my house, I moved 122 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 2: to La lived by myself as an eighteen year old, 123 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 2: terriable choice by the way, horrible because I was working 124 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 2: a lot, but I had no community, I had no friends. 125 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: Isolation is the devil's playground. And then that's when I 126 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 2: hint a true all time low rock bottom considered ending 127 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: it all, and then through a friend of a friend 128 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 2: of a friend of a friend, I met this dean 129 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: of a Bible college and he's like, hey, you should 130 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 2: give us a whirl, and I was like, no, thanks, though, 131 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 2: but then eventually I just my heart softened towards the 132 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 2: idea of it because I started interacting with the students 133 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: there and the other faculty members, and they were just 134 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 2: so genuinely joyful, which I've never experienced before. I experienced happiness, 135 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: but this joyfulness and I didn't really know what it 136 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: was at the time, but this joyfulness that they had 137 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 2: was something higher than I had experience before. 138 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: So that I said yes to. 139 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: Go to the Bible College, not believing, and then two 140 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 2: weeks into it got saved. And yeah, most of my career, 141 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 2: in the last seven years, I haven't been working, but 142 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 2: I have been a very strong believer. Gung ho for 143 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 2: the Kingdom, gung ho for the Great Commission. 144 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: I'm all in two follow up questions, this is intile. 145 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: I didn't know this story. This is a intrible story. 146 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: How old were you when your friends started reaching out 147 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: to you about their faith and wanting you to explain. 148 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: I was nineteen. I was nineteen, and I think they just, 149 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 2: you know, there are no coincidences when it comes to 150 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 2: like God's will, and I think they were just maybe 151 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 2: not even aware of it. They were just being kind, right, 152 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: They were just like, Hey, if he's living on him 153 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: by himself, we should invite him to some of our 154 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 2: like small groups or some of our just hangs on 155 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 2: the beach in Ventura, that's where the Bible College was 156 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 2: and man, it does, it does. I think people think 157 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: the Gospel and the Great commission is I need to 158 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 2: find someone who's not saved and tell them everything that 159 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 2: Jesus has done for them, which is true. 160 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: There were sometimes that that happens. 161 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 2: But also I think the great commission is loving people 162 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 2: like Jesus loved them in their season, in their situation, 163 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: meeting them where they are, and eventually they're going to 164 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 2: get a whiss that you are operating differently than the 165 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 2: world operates, and they're gonna be like, hey, what do 166 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 2: you have, what's the secret sauce behind what's going on 167 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: with you? And they'll initiate it. And that's what happened 168 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 2: with me. Where they were like I wanna say, I 169 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 2: knew they're at Bible College, but they weren't like talking 170 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 2: about Jesus. 171 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: The entire time. 172 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:35,719 Speaker 2: We're talking about a whole bunch of other stuff. But 173 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 2: they were so happy and joyful, and they were broke 174 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 2: college students, and yet they had this hope and this 175 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 2: peace which I had never experienced and never experienced peace, 176 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 2: and I wanted that. So I was the one who 177 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: initiated and it was life changing. And I think that's 178 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 2: how it is. That's how it should be. And whatever 179 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 2: missions shield that the Lord has called you to, whether 180 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 2: it be Africa or here in the States, at your 181 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 2: job with your friends, you love those people how they 182 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 2: need to be loved at that time, and they will 183 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 2: be like, hey, why are you like this? 184 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: And there you go. 185 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 2: You're set up for the perfect anentwer, which is I 186 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: wouldn't be like this as it wasn't for what happened 187 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 2: two thousand years ago at cavalry with. 188 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: Jesus Amen my goodness. And so did you enroll in 189 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: this Bible college? 190 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 2: Did? Yeah? I did, not knowing really what I was 191 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,839 Speaker 2: getting into. I was just like, I want to make 192 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 2: some friends. I was so lonely and I wanted some 193 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 2: healthy people in my life. And then by proxy, I 194 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 2: just was like, you know, I I believe this stuff. 195 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 2: I believe in everything that I'm learning. About two weeks 196 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 2: in and yeah, I kind of kept it under wraps 197 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 2: that I was kind of a wouldn't lukewarmon Christian meaning 198 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 2: that you still believed. I kind of did, but it 199 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 2: was I had no root. I had no root. Again, 200 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 2: it was all had knowledge. 201 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: I had a lot. 202 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 2: Of understanding of what the Bible was before I even 203 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 2: went there because of how I raised. 204 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: But I thought, if there is a god. 205 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 2: Man, he's he's a meniad he's not nice if he 206 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 2: does exist. But then I fully jumped in into the 207 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 2: water literally, you know, metaphorically. I started realizing that the 208 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 2: Lord is he is definitionally a good father. 209 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: Your testimony kind of parallels a little bit of the 210 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: plot of Bad Counselors. I'm laughing at Yeah, I thinking 211 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 1: about this. 212 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's it's not a perrect parallel, but no, yeah, 213 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 3: you kind of got into college not as a syled 214 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 3: out believer, and these guys, you know, of course, I 215 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 3: think they were far more lost than you work. 216 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, let's talk about bad counselors though, because this 217 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 1: is a really cool movie coming up July twenty second 218 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: and made by some filmmakers included Chris Stalling. You have 219 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: made some of my favorite inspiring faith family movies of 220 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: all time. How did you get into this and why 221 00:10:55,880 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: do you like the story? 222 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 2: Well, at the end of the day, is it a 223 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 2: Christian movie? Is it faith based? Does it have its 224 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 2: sprinkled Jesus on it? Yes, But at the end of 225 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 2: the day, we want to entertain We want to tell 226 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 2: a compelling story. We want to make the audience laugh. 227 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 2: We want to captivate them with a hero's journey with 228 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 2: the two main characters of being lost and then understanding 229 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 2: that they're actually found in him, but in a subtle 230 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 2: way where it's not over bearing or preacher bashing you 231 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 2: over the head with it. And that's what captivated me 232 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 2: so much. I read the script and it is a 233 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 2: page turner. I was laughing, and it was one of 234 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 2: those things where at the time I was my wife, 235 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 2: but we were dating at the time. I said, I 236 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 2: just read this script, this Christian movie, and she kind 237 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 2: of crinkled her face a little bit because we've experienced 238 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 2: a lot of Christian movies that are kind of garbage, 239 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 2: and I said, this script rules. She's like, wait why. 240 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: I was like, it's funny. 241 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 2: It's fun The character that I would play if I 242 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 2: got it, God Willing, is antagonistic but also kind of 243 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 2: charming too. 244 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: He's kind of this. 245 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 2: Weird mixture and bad counselors. Is your Christian film where 246 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 2: you could I mean a lot of people say you 247 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 2: can bring your own believers. You're a nunbeliever, friends, and 248 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 2: they'll enjoy it, and then it's you know, mostly Christian 249 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 2: Christianese that you would have to know the insider baseball 250 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 2: into why they're saying this Christian stuff in order to 251 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 2: get any anything from it. 252 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: But with Bad. 253 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 2: Counselors that kind of twisted it on its head and goes, 254 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 2: we're actually going to be on the side of the 255 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 2: nun believer. And how weird it is where if you're 256 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 2: not a believer and then people are using Christianese, it's like, wait, what, 257 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 2: I don't know, actually don't know what you're saying. And 258 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 2: it's genius. That's such a great premise. I mean, like 259 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 2: you're saying that the elevator plot is two frat guys 260 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 2: in community service hours so they act like Christians at 261 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 2: a counselor Christian camp. That's a great premise. That's an 262 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 2: awesome premise that immediately grabs you in. And the movie 263 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 2: does that really well. Like you said, Chris Dowing, he knows, 264 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 2: he knows storytelling and he knows the heart moments too, 265 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 2: and Bad Counselors has a great story and then what 266 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: it is time to get that heart moment to really hit. 267 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 2: It hits. It's effective and yeah, I'm really happy to 268 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 2: be a part of it. And I already said, but 269 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 2: I want to say it again so it drills into 270 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 2: people's minds. July twenty second through July twenty seventh, get 271 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 2: your tickets as soon as you can, because they are 272 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 2: they're sound like hotcakes. 273 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: I know that Chris Doaling was telling me spoken to 274 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: about a week with Joego. He was telling me how 275 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,599 Speaker 1: him and so many other filmmakers kind of cringe. I 276 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: guess this is the word when they hear the phrase 277 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: faith based movie, because so many people brush it off 278 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 1: and won't even watch it if they hear that phrase. 279 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: And so I understand what you're saying. He was saying, Ow, 280 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: it's more like a marketing tool. It's just so that 281 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: people who are of faith will know this is, you know, 282 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: a friendly movie, right, But there's a there's another side 283 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: of that where people who just hate all of them 284 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: won't even give it a shot. So it's a double 285 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: edged sword there. I know what you're saying. I don't 286 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: know if you have any thoughts on that. 287 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 2: No, it's a great perspective I think when it comes 288 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 2: to bad counselors, though, is it's got speaking of a 289 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 2: double edged sword. It's got enough edge. And again it's 290 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 2: not like it's a PG thirteen movie because people are 291 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: holding red solo cups basically, like that's the only reason 292 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 2: why it's PG thirteen. But it's got enough social commentary 293 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 2: edge on it that even like when we showed Bad 294 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 2: Counselors to non believing colleges like USC and got their 295 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 2: Jennie and feedback, it got like a ninety percent by 296 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 2: people who aren't even believers because the movie is so 297 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 2: fun and it does gently poke fun and is self 298 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 2: deprecating and like, yeah, sometimes Christian Christians can be a 299 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: little silly with how they talk. It kind of brings 300 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 2: down the guard that is inevitably put up. If you're 301 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 2: not a believer and you're watching a Christian movie, right, 302 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 2: your immedioractions across the rounds like all right, what is this? 303 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: But when they're already being. 304 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 2: Like, hey, we're aware that at times we can be 305 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 2: a little silly and say some strange stuff, their guard 306 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 2: is down. They're like oh okay, and then their heart 307 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 2: becomes soft towards the message and you go, whoa, this 308 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 2: is working. This is a little seed that now has 309 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 2: been planted, which is another form of the Great Commission 310 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 2: and being a part of that is an honor. 311 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: And then to that, let's talk about your future in 312 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: this industry. What kind of stories are you trying to 313 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: get involved in now? And I asked that knowing that 314 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: this is not the only one that you're involved in, 315 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, well what are you what are you looking 316 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: to do now? 317 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 2: So one, I have a movie that is most likely 318 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 2: coming out next year early next year called a Miracle 319 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 2: on the Precipice with Jen Gottsen and it's and Sean 320 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 2: Patrick Flannery. It's a fun tale of kind of a 321 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: retelling of the Pilgrim's Progress, modernized pilgrims progress, and it's 322 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 2: going to be a blast. And then the one I'm 323 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 2: working on right now currently as I sit here in 324 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 2: la is a show that I co created called The 325 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 2: Bible College or I use I wrote it all of 326 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 2: my Bible College knowledge of everything that I experienced during 327 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 2: my time not just being in Bible College, but being 328 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 2: in the area when the years of the College were 329 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 2: continuing and helping out with teaching and stuff. It's going 330 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 2: to be a fun show. It's going to be a 331 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 2: very serious show with elements of comedy as well, and 332 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be a I think it's gonna 333 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,479 Speaker 2: be something that people are gonna be talking about for 334 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 2: a while when it eventually comes out. But we're shooting 335 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:09,959 Speaker 2: it right now, so be on the lookout for it. 336 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: I'm glad you got involved with Jen Gotson. She's a 337 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: super talented pil laker. 338 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, all roads lead to either Chris Dowling or Jen Gotson. 339 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 2: Every single person who is even a little bit involved 340 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 2: in the faith based world, yeah knows those two people. 341 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: I know. I know her and I know him as well. 342 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm glad. Yeah, I'm glad you're in that circle. 343 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: So this is kind of the realm you want to 344 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 1: stay in, I'm assuming is to stay in these types 345 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 1: of films that broadly speaking, shine light is that you agree. 346 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 2: I My heart is wherever the Lord has for me today. 347 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 2: So obviously I wouldn't put my name on something that 348 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 2: is completely counter to his messaging or you know, blaspheming 349 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 2: it or degrading it. But I don't want to put 350 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 2: myself just into like, hey, I'm only going to do 351 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 2: faith based stuff because I want to be on sets too, 352 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 2: where I can just be a light like I was 353 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 2: saying before, I don't need to be like looking around 354 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 2: seeing like okay, who's sitting who needs to hear the gospel? 355 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 2: I just need to. My dad gave me three really 356 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 2: good pointers on how to be successful, not just an actor, 357 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 2: but just successful. Is show up early, not on time. 358 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 2: Memorize people's names, memorize your lines. Basically, just be prepared 359 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 2: for it. And in doing those three things, I'm loving 360 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 2: on people. By knowing their names, I'm showing that I'm competent. 361 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 2: And another way of loving them by like honoring what 362 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 2: they're paying me to do, is by showing up early. 363 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 2: Same with memorizing your lines. Hey, I'm honoring what you 364 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 2: have given me by learning my lines. These are all 365 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:53,479 Speaker 2: Biblical principles, like doing everything unto the Lord. That's what 366 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 2: I want to do, is that if that's on a 367 00:18:55,560 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 2: set that's more secular, all right, that's what we're having currently, Lord, 368 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 2: like I trust you. Or if it's on a movie 369 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 2: where it's faith based, awesome. If it's a show that 370 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 2: I'm creating, awesome, Whatever you have for me, my hands 371 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,239 Speaker 2: are open and I'm I'm ready. Like I think I 372 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 2: used to have a perspective and some people are, which 373 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 2: I don't want to come across as like I'm disregarding 374 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 2: those opinions and people just want to do faith based stuff, 375 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 2: which is fine, But I was there and I had 376 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 2: a skewed perspective on those things because again, I was 377 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 2: on those secular sets. I needed to hear the gospel. 378 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 2: So why should I limit the types of projects that 379 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 2: I want to be a part of just because it's 380 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 2: not inherently a faith based thing. 381 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: So that's kind of what my perspective was. A long 382 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: win it enter amen everything you said, Hey, yeah, well listen, 383 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: you were you were the the movies that you're known for. 384 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 1: I mean, the Dolphin Tail that's not a faith based film, 385 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: but it's certainly family friendly, and there's yeah, there's so 386 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: many of those. There have been some this year. Project 387 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: Till Mary was, I mean, I know, a very expensive movie, 388 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: but and it was it was kind of in the 389 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: family friendly realm, And how. 390 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 2: Can you not watch that movie and also think like, 391 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,479 Speaker 2: I feel like there's some faith based elements here, like 392 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 2: even if they're not even aware of it, when people 393 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 2: write a principle that is inherently biblical, like sacrificing yourself 394 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 2: for another person, I mean we have the greatest example 395 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 2: of that in Jesus. Then they're treading into something that 396 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 2: again they might even be aware of. Maybe they are, 397 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 2: but that does become a faith adjacent, faith inspired project. 398 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 2: Same with did you see Sheep Detective? 399 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: I was about to tell you about that? Yes, yes, Lord, 400 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 1: that's a great movie. Amazing, amazing, It's on Fame Movie, 401 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: It's on Prime Video now. In fact, I think Project 402 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: Tell Mary is as well. So everybody check out those 403 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 1: two men. Yeah, all bad counselors to pay. 404 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 2: And Dolly's gonna get mad if I'm playing other movies. 405 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: At July twenties. Second. Yeah, ad counselors. Absolutely, Nathan, great 406 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: talking to you, Buddy thinks. 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