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Speaker 1: I'm in Texas today for Seapack Speaking today. I speech

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Speaker 1: that I put a lot of thoughts into, and I

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Speaker 1: it certainly and perhaps even play parts fit on tomorrow's show. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: coach Bruce Pearl, the former Final four coach of the

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Speaker 1: Auburn Tigers basketball team, joins us today for an extending

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Speaker 1: conversation on how the war against the Ronnie regime is going,

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Speaker 1: as well as this wonderful tournament that's College Battle tournament

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Speaker 1: that is going on. It's very easy to focus on

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Speaker 1: the ups and downs of the new cycle. Sometimes it's

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Speaker 1: important to think about some of the lighter things in

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Speaker 1: life as well, and that is where march madness comes in.

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Speaker 1: But I am out here in Texas and my thoughts

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Speaker 1: right now are on all things Seapack and all things

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Speaker 1: Concerned Movement related, and that is the subject of our

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Speaker 1: opening monologue today. The Concerned Movement finds itself at something

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Speaker 1: of an inflection points. If you listen to or watch

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Speaker 1: the show on a daily or near daily basis, these

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Speaker 1: are not going to be new thoughts to you. You

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Speaker 1: likely understand that there is a lot that is currently

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Speaker 1: up for grabs. There are a lot of folks that

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Speaker 1: are trying to now try to shoehorn and retro fit.

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Speaker 1: They're highly idiosyncratic at best, and deeply danstardly and insidious

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Speaker 1: ideas and thoughts at worst into this somewhat open definition

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Speaker 1: our stands here on the show is pretty straightforward, which

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Speaker 1: is that what it means to be a conservative, what

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Speaker 1: it means to be on the right in general, what

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Speaker 1: the right does stand for, what the right must stand

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Speaker 1: for if it wants to have any chance of succeeding,

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Speaker 1: of defeating the left, and by extension, of actually saving

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Speaker 1: the United States, and by extension even further, of saving

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Speaker 1: Western civilization. What the right actually stands for is not

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Speaker 1: infinitely malleable. This is not in all options are equal

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Speaker 1: sort of calculation. There are some conceptions of what it

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Speaker 1: are some that are consonant with basic philosophy, with basic

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Speaker 1: We read to you on the show. I believe it

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Speaker 1: was last week the opening line of Alexander Hamilton's essay

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Speaker 1: where he famously says that quote in disquisitions of every kind,

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Speaker 1: there are certain primary truths or first principles, upon which

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Speaker 1: all subsequent reasonings must depend. In other words, you have

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Speaker 1: to start somewhere. If you don't actually start somewhere, you're

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Speaker 1: not going to know actually how to arrive at a

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Speaker 1: public policy conclusion. Public policy law, legal interpretation, legislation. Drafting

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Speaker 1: policy ultimately for the common good, which is the foundational

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Speaker 1: literally not possible unless you have a starting place, unless

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Speaker 1: you have certain places where you are entering from in

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Speaker 1: order to ultimately reason too. For as long as what

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Speaker 1: we think of as conservatism has been around, that starting

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Speaker 1: place has been fairly simple. That starting place has been

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Speaker 1: the biblical inheritance, the values, the principles, the ideals, the axioms,

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Speaker 1: the share inheritance of the two biblical religions Jews and

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Speaker 1: Christians alike, Unfortunately, many of the leading organs and many

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Speaker 1: pure just convenience, pure convenience, something that just plays for

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Speaker 1: the war in Iran. It very much pertains not just

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Speaker 1: also to domestic events as well, all sorts of domestic policy,

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Speaker 1: all sorts of other non policy issues, namely this subversive

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Speaker 1: now openly admitting that they try to subvert an undermind

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Speaker 1: the movement and this administration from within. It is a

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Speaker 1: time for choosing, and is crucial that we choose correctly,

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Speaker 1: and that we choose timeless principles and values. And yes,

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Speaker 1: we can be a little bit more malleable when it

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Speaker 1: comes to tactics, for sure. My thesis, for instance, when

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Speaker 1: perhaps even more to the point, it is indispensable that

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Speaker 1: among the ways, as I mentioned that this is all

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump did not choose. It is a war that

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Speaker 1: on that matter. That's that's been our thesis on the

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Speaker 1: a forty seven year forever war. In fact, just last

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Speaker 1: So THEE is all in on this conflict, as you hear.

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Speaker 1: Taking what we said earlier, it ought to be self

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Speaker 1: Coaches Bruce Pearl returning here to the Josh Ammer Show.

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Speaker 1: He is the former coach of the Auburn Tigers made

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Speaker 1: against a coach, Reroll, welcome back to the show. We

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Speaker 3: For forty seven.

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Speaker 4: Come on, guys, you're out there by yourselves now, there

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Speaker 3: And so why are we doing this right now?

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Speaker 4: Because we're trying to prevent World War three, We're trying

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Speaker 4: If we hadn't had that operation, it would be an

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Speaker 4: We are in a much better place right now than

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Speaker 4: But you know what, my grandfather would be ashamed of

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Speaker 3: And that's what we're doing right now. We just got

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Speaker 4: We've got to hang in there until it's done. And

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Speaker 3: We can't win this war. Let's go it. They don't care.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious you are in both these worlds. Now you're

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Speaker 1: in kind of the you know, political geopolitical commentary realm

436
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Speaker 1: and also the sports realm. Does anyone ever question some

437
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Speaker 1: of your outspokenness on any of these issues, whether it's Israel,

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Speaker 1: whether rich or support for President Trump and consertism. Does

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Speaker 1: this ever come up? I'm curious at all. And when

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Speaker 1: it comes to putting on your college basketball cap.

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Speaker 3: Yes, of course it does, Josh.

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Speaker 4: And you know, but I had enough success at Auburn,

443
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Speaker 4: and I live in a wonderful community, a great university

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Speaker 4: that respects my freedom of speech rights. I speaks as

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Speaker 4: a citizen of this country, not the basketball coach at Auburn,

446
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Speaker 4: and now I'm no longer in the basketball coach at Auburn.

447
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Speaker 4: But of course I took a great deal of hate,

448
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Speaker 4: and of course I get all kinds of threats to

449
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Speaker 4: my safety and security, and of course on social media,

450
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Speaker 4: I'm a enormous target. But I give both CBS Sports

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Speaker 4: and Turner Sports credit for signed coach. We've hired you

452
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Speaker 4: to be an analyst, and we want you to break

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Speaker 4: down these games and tell us about what we're seeing.

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Speaker 4: And I'm just loving what I'm doing and They're letting

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Speaker 4: me just be myself when I'm off the court because

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Speaker 4: I don't represent them necessarily with obviously what my political

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Speaker 4: views are. And then just part of the move out

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Speaker 4: of transitioning out of coaching, because you know, in addition

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Speaker 4: of my work with US as an educational association, I'm

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Speaker 4: also a senior fellow with America First Policy Institute and

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Speaker 4: spend a great deal of studying thing and saying I've

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Speaker 4: been to issuel a dozen times in the last ten years,

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Speaker 4: you know, and I've been to Judae and Samaria every

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Speaker 4: time I go, and I've met with Dallasadian leaders, and

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Speaker 4: I do have an opportunity to get myself, you know,

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Speaker 4: in a situation we're educated understanding. When I was coaching basketball,

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Speaker 4: I was trying to win championships, I was trying to

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Speaker 4: be Kentucky. That no longer became as big a priority

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Speaker 4: for me as it was making sure that my children

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Speaker 4: had the same living the opportunity to living the same

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Speaker 4: American dream that I did. This is the greatest country

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Speaker 4: in the world for all of us, but in particular

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Speaker 4: for the Jewish people.

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Speaker 3: We're running out of places to go.

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Speaker 4: You get past the United States and Israel, and there's

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Speaker 4: not many other lands in the world.

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Speaker 3: Where we can live, worship, pray.

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Speaker 4: I get I know there's a rise in anti Semitism,

479
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Speaker 4: but but but but it's gone crazy around the world

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Speaker 4: and as at least here we got way more friends

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Speaker 4: and way more allies. So I would rather fight for

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Speaker 4: America and I'd rather fight for the Jewish people then

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Speaker 4: necessarily have to fight to win a few basketball games.

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Speaker 4: And and that's that's that's where I'm where I've been,

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Speaker 4: and and.

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Speaker 3: That's what that's what I hope to continue to do.

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Speaker 1: And it absolutely, I'm sure is what lakatin to do.

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Speaker 1: And it's why you and I have developed this rapport

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Speaker 1: and we're so grateful that you joined the show that

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Speaker 1: multiple times. Coach Bruce Perrol, you can fall him on

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Speaker 1: next at coach Bruce Pearl, coach. Notwithstanding your your passion

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Speaker 1: when it comes to fighting for America, fighting for for

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Speaker 1: the Biblical inheritance, for for Jews and Christians and all this,

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Speaker 1: I do want to spend a little timet least I'm

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Speaker 1: on college basketball. I can't help myself, of course, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm a huge mega fan. I actually texted you

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Speaker 1: after the NCAA selection show, just just to give you

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Speaker 1: a little tongue in cheek kind of grief about how

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Speaker 1: you didn't pick might be loved Duke boot Devils to

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Speaker 1: make it to the final four. And now we're in

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Speaker 1: the second week in the tournament. It's Sweet sixteen day

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Speaker 1: starting today and three of the four one season left.

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Speaker 1: The big upside the tournament thus far is that the

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Speaker 1: Iowah Hawke guys took down the Florida Gators and essentially

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Speaker 1: a home game for Florida game played in Tampa, Florida.

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Speaker 1: All sorts of other great stories this year as well.

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Speaker 1: I want to zoom out a little bit, Coach and

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Speaker 1: not really focus necessarily on the x's and o's here.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we'll gets that we have time there. But you've

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Speaker 1: coached in this tournament many times. Can you just tell

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Speaker 1: us a little bit about what makes this tournament? What

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Speaker 1: from my vantage point just as a fan, easily one

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Speaker 1: of the most special sporting events, not just in America

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Speaker 1: but in the world.

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Speaker 4: Well, Josh, I don't know that I know exactly what

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Speaker 4: makes it so special, but let's just say what makes

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Speaker 4: March madness. You've got teams that have been battling all

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Speaker 4: year long, training all summer long, trying to put them

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Speaker 4: in position and maybe win a regular season championship in

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Speaker 4: their respective league. Is the toughest league in the country,

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Speaker 4: is a one year in so anytime you hang a

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Speaker 4: banner from that league, it means a great deal. But

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Speaker 4: then there's this thing called postseason in March Madness and

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Speaker 4: tournament play, and to the victor go all the spoils.

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Speaker 4: And so when March Madness starts and the NSI Tournament starts,

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Speaker 4: there are sixty eight teams, and in one week you're

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Speaker 4: down to just sixteen. And so last week's first and

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Speaker 4: the second round in first four, I think of the

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Speaker 4: best two weeks of the best week of college basketball,

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Speaker 4: because everything's in the line. What makes it different is

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Speaker 4: forty minutes. It's not a grind, it's not the regular season.

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Speaker 4: It's a it's forty minutes. Anything can happen. I will

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Speaker 4: place Florida ten times. They only beat them once. Maybe

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Speaker 4: they only beat them once, but they did this time.

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Speaker 4: High Point plays Arkansas and that was a lot closer.

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Speaker 4: But you know, Arkansas has the advantage, but anything can happen.

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Speaker 3: Was the game that High Point bet Wisconsin.

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Speaker 4: Wisconsin is going to beat point seven out of ten times,

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Speaker 4: and that's what makes it so very special.

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Speaker 3: Everybody loves the underdog, Everybody roots for the underdog.

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Speaker 4: And I get that, and I think the last thing

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Speaker 4: would be the what happens at the end of the season.

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Speaker 4: If fans want to know, why do coaches and players

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Speaker 4: cry about losing a basketball game at the end of

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Speaker 4: the year, And the answer is it's this. It's not

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Speaker 4: just about that game, and it's not just about what

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Speaker 4: was lost in the way of opportunity Tomorrow. You're not

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Speaker 4: going to practice tomorrow, You're not sitting there in film tomorrow,

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Speaker 4: you're not going to wait room together tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: All of a sudden, your life is completely different.

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Speaker 4: That family that blood, sweat and tears with for the

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Speaker 4: last eleven, you know and a half months, whenever you

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Speaker 4: got starting this season together, it's now going to be different.

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Speaker 4: And that's emotional, that's sad, and that's why we call

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Speaker 4: it one Shining moment. When you're able to survive in advance.

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Speaker 1: It's a very special moment every year when the final

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Speaker 1: nets are cut down, and there's always that compilation of

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Speaker 1: the old song One Shine Moment, so coach. We're now

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Speaker 1: in the second weekend. The final four, of course, will

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Speaker 1: be in Indianapolis next weekend. Actually a very special weekend

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Speaker 1: for both Jews and Christians is Easter Sunday, of course,

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Speaker 1: the weekend it's right smack in the middle, a passover

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Speaker 1: for Jews as well. So kind of weaves together some

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Speaker 1: various themes of our conversation today. I hate to put

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Speaker 1: you on the spot, but I'm going to put you

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Speaker 1: on the spot because you are. You are an on

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Speaker 1: air college basketball analysts, among many other impressive hats that

568
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Speaker 1: you wear. How do you see it shaking out? Who's

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Speaker 1: going to make it at this point to Indianapolis.

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Speaker 4: Well, the East Regional right now is all Final four material.

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Speaker 4: You've got John Shire, who's the best young coach in

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Speaker 4: college basketball, along with Todd Golden and my son Steven

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Speaker 4: Burrow little self. A little praise there from my son, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I love John Shire. The job he's done at Duke,

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Speaker 4: the fastest one hundred and twenty four wins in the

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Speaker 4: history of college basketball doesn't get nearly enough credit. Going

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Speaker 4: up against the Cages Vet, the oldest coach in the

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Speaker 4: tournament left, the best coach I've ever got up against

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Speaker 4: at Rick Patino, and the other side of the bracket,

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Speaker 4: you got Danny Hurley in Yukon who's won two out

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Speaker 4: of the last three final pours, and Tom Izzo, who's

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Speaker 4: gone to seventeen sweet sixteens, longer than any other factor

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Speaker 4: of coach. That alone is a final poll. In the

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Speaker 4: East region in Washington, d C. I picked Saint John's

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Speaker 4: in the upset from the beginning, so I'll stay with it.

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Speaker 4: But I think a healthy Duke, and I do think

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Speaker 4: Duke is healthy, they've got a chance. I love the

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Speaker 4: way Michigan State is playing right now, so you know,

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Speaker 4: Michigan State to me and Saint John's looked like the

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Speaker 4: two hottest teams going in So anyways, I got to

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Speaker 4: stay with Saint John's and I picked them from the jump.

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Speaker 3: Arizona I like out West.

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Speaker 4: They got to beat Arkansas and the best player on

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Speaker 4: the floor in Darius a Cup, but I think they're

595
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Speaker 4: too big, too strong, too deep.

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Speaker 3: I like Michigan to be able to advance out of

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Speaker 3: their region.

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Speaker 4: They got Alabama team that'll spread it and shoot it,

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Speaker 4: but again too big, too strong, too deep.

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Speaker 3: And then Houston and Kelvin Samson.

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Speaker 4: They gotta beat Illinois, which will be a real challenge,

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Speaker 4: and there's some other teams there, But I like Houston

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Speaker 4: being able to advance.

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Speaker 3: Out of that regional.

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Speaker 4: Maybe Calvin Samson wins a national championship and then he

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Speaker 4: is able to retire and enjoy a little bit more golf.

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Speaker 1: Well, he got shockingly close last year, Kelvin Sampson did

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Speaker 1: after after upsetting Duke in the Final four, narrowly losing

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Speaker 1: that game to Todd Gold and Florida in the championship,

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Speaker 1: basically a home game for Houston playing there in the

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Speaker 1: South Regional, and Houston will see how it shakes out.

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Speaker 1: But Bruce Pearl, we were very much watching how your

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Speaker 1: next moves shake out. So again, hoost coach Bruce Pearl

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Speaker 1: can follow him on ex at Coach Bruce Pearl. He

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Speaker 1: is a man of many hats and on air college

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Speaker 1: basketball analysts. Also the chair of the board of the

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Speaker 1: US Israel Education Association. He's involved as well as a

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Speaker 1: fellow with America First Policy Institution. Just a great American Patriots,

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Speaker 1: wonderful man and proud to call my friend as well.

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Speaker 1: So Coach Pearl, God blessed you look forward to seeing

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Speaker 1: you on air soon. Thank he was always for joining

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Speaker 1: us here on the Josh hammershow.

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Speaker 3: Coach God bless you too, Josh, thank you.

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Speaker 1: You bet folks us through one final commercial break, we'll

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Speaker 1: be right back with more on the other side. Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: So the great conversation is always with Coach Pearl, wishing

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Speaker 1: him the best of luck and his continued duties predicting

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Speaker 1: and analyzing the on air tournament that I love so much,

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Speaker 1: this March Madness tournament. And again, folks, I will just say,

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Speaker 1: if you have not been paying attention to this tournament,

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Speaker 1: I'm obviously a big sports fan. I know that not

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Speaker 1: all of you share that passion that I do. But

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Speaker 1: it's a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful tournament. It really is there

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Speaker 1: seeing the passion, the fervor, the close games, the Cinderella

635
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Speaker 1: stories there. And perhaps when you have a slower moment,

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Speaker 1: whether it's this weekend or even next weekend for the

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Speaker 1: final four and the championship game, it really would be

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Speaker 1: a nice time take a bit of a break from

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Speaker 1: the hectic nature of the daily news cycle and to

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Speaker 1: go ahead and tune in to this Tournament's one of

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Speaker 1: our favorite quotes when it comes to gramml sports. Is

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Speaker 1: this quote that I often cite for a man who

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Speaker 1: I frankly don't agree with with on a whole lot,

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Speaker 1: which is the very liberal, very left wing former Chief

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Speaker 1: Justice of the US Supreme Court, Earl Warren, who famously,

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Speaker 1: he said, and on paraphrase, and what's the close paraphrase,

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Speaker 1: famously said that when he opens the newspaper every morning,

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Speaker 1: he does not open with the news section because he

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Speaker 1: prefers to read more about man's triumphs than his sorrows

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Speaker 1: and his failings. Therefore he starts in the sports section,

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Speaker 1: not in the new section. It's very sentimental sentiment. But

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Speaker 1: frankly we would argue here on the show that there

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Speaker 1: is a lot of truth to that sentiment as well.

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Speaker 1: Now in other big news this week when the issues

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Speaker 1: that I've been following, paying attention to a lot over

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Speaker 1: the years is the big tech issue. So one of

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Speaker 1: the many hats that I wear is I am senior

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Speaker 1: counsel not merely at the Article three project, but at

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Speaker 1: our sister organization, a group called IAP, the Internet Accountability Project,

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Speaker 1: which founded by my friend and colleague Mike Davis a

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Speaker 1: handful of years ago flee purpose of being a conservative

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Speaker 1: watchdog when it comes to the issue of big tech.

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Speaker 1: And when we started this IAP operation maybe six years ago,

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Speaker 1: six seven years ago, give or take, it was not

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Speaker 1: a particularly popular thing in conservative circles at the time.

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Speaker 1: There was this notion that the private sector or the

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Speaker 1: enterprise capitalism. How dare you talk about regulating all sorts

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Speaker 1: of free corporations there? Aren't you aren't you a capitalist?

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Speaker 1: Aren't you not a socialist there? How dare you talk

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Speaker 1: about trying to put restrictions and just various other forms

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Speaker 1: of regulation when it comes to private companies and private

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Speaker 1: services and private products there? And the basic arguments that

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Speaker 1: many of us advanced for years, Well, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of basic arguments, but one is that the government itself

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Speaker 1: had breached this public private distinction. This is what we

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Speaker 1: saw play out over the course of the Missouri versus

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Speaker 1: Biden litigation, where we saw how the Biden White House

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Speaker 1: was in frequent communication coordination with the big tech oligarchs,

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Speaker 1: with Mark Zuckerberg at Meta slash Facebook, with Jack Dorsey

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Speaker 1: back in the Ushelm regime over at Twitter, various other

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Speaker 1: folks at Google, with YouTube as well. There, and there

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Speaker 1: was a coordinate effort to try to threaten and indeed

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Speaker 1: cajole to cajole the big tech companies into trying to

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Speaker 1: do the bidministration's dirty work when it came to things

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Speaker 1: like censorship of COVID nineteen, relate information, masking, Hunter Biden

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Speaker 1: laptop relate information, things like that. The other though, and

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Speaker 1: more profound points to make, I think, is this.

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Speaker 3: We open our shows.

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Speaker 1: They've been talking about conservatism and the importance of starting

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Speaker 1: somewhere and primary truths. The primary truth that is relevant

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Speaker 1: here is that we exist, and we operate in the

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Speaker 1: real and politics. We operate in the realm of media commentary.

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Speaker 1: All that we are doing here when it comes to law, policy,

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Speaker 1: all the above. We are here ultimately because we are

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Speaker 1: seeking to preserve, perpetuate, enhance, and improve upon the customs,

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Speaker 1: manner's way of life, etc. That we have inherited from

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Speaker 1: our forebears. We seek to preserve, perpetuate, and improve that

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Speaker 1: for our children and for our children's children. That is

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Speaker 1: what we are called to do. What we're not necessarily

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Speaker 1: called to do is to simply lazily say, ah, can't

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Speaker 1: touch that. It's a private corporation there, don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 1: Free market economics are generally great. On the other hand,

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Speaker 1: it is ludicrous. It is Ludacris' suggests that the market

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Speaker 1: is the end all be all when it comes to

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Speaker 1: judging the health of society or what a society should

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Speaker 1: seek to do its goals. How it is flourishing. A

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Speaker 1: GDP is not how we measure how society is flourish.

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Speaker 1: I have long resorted to a very simple example to

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Speaker 1: illustrate this most basic of points. Think about San Fernando Valley, California.

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Speaker 1: If you know anything about southern California, San Fernando Valley

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Speaker 1: aka the Valley as they know it's in Los Angeles County.

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Speaker 1: The valley is a hub of the pornography industry, one

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Speaker 1: of the most awful and sordidive industries known to mankind.

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Speaker 1: If pornography is in greater demand and therefore supply catches up,

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Speaker 1: and there are more pornographers, hied, there are more men

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Speaker 1: and women quote unquote actors and producers and production companies

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Speaker 1: and editors, and that would be good, one presumes for

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Speaker 1: the GDP of San Fernando Valley, and perhaps by extension,

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles County, perhaps by extension, the state of California,

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Speaker 1: perhaps even by extension the United States. Does that mean

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Speaker 1: that the United States is better for more pornography? The

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Speaker 1: answer is obvious no. So GDP is not the end

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Speaker 1: all be all. And I say all that because there

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Speaker 1: were a couple of huge, huge jury verdicts that came

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Speaker 1: out this week in the case of big tech, which

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Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily comparing to pornography per se, but I

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Speaker 1: think that, frankly, tobacco of the nineteen nineties is a

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Speaker 1: more app comparison because what these two juries found. First,

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Speaker 1: there was a jury in New Mexico earlier this week,

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Speaker 1: and the jury there determines that Meta, aka the parent

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Speaker 1: company of Facebook and Instagram, knowing harmed children's mental health

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Speaker 1: and concealed what it already knew about child's sexual exploitation

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Speaker 1: on this platform. Has been a huge issue for a

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Speaker 1: long time. On Instagram in particular, is the child sexual

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Speaker 1: exploitation there. So, for the first time, a jury was

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Speaker 1: able to breach what is known as Section two thirty,

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Speaker 1: which is the statue that was passed in the nineteen

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Speaker 1: nineties part of the Communications Decency Act in ninetetinety six.

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Speaker 1: A jury, if the first time is able to breach

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Speaker 1: that in order in order to find that Meta was

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Speaker 1: liable and in perhaps an even bigger case actually just

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Speaker 1: yestually on Wednesday out in Los Angeles as a trial

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Speaker 1: actually that Mark Zuckerberg personally testified in various others. A

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Speaker 1: jury here found both Meta and YouTube, which means Google.

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Speaker 1: They found both Meta and Google liable for harms to

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Speaker 1: children using their services, and in this ruling are all

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Speaker 1: sorts of analogies to the addictive nature of the products. Essentially,

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Speaker 1: what they say is that the companies knew that their

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Speaker 1: products were addictive, and not only did they not care,

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Speaker 1: they actually sought to make them even more addictive to

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Speaker 1: make sure they spent even more time on your Instagram

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Speaker 1: fee just scrolling and scrolling and scrolling and scrolling and

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Speaker 1: scrolling looking at stories there. That they were manipulating the

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Speaker 1: algorithms not to try to improve your mental health, but

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Speaker 1: tried to improve their own screen time. This is a

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Speaker 1: huge deal. In fact, along with the detransitioner so called

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Speaker 1: medical malpractice jury victory that we had in New York

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Speaker 1: States about two months ago, that was the first time

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Speaker 1: that a jury's ever held for medical malpractice when it

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Speaker 1: comes to a detransitioner case. These are big, big rulings

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Speaker 1: when it comes to plaintiff side litigation in America, and traditionally, look,

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Speaker 1: a lot of Chamber of commerce types say that, oh,

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Speaker 1: you never support plaintiff in a lawsuit, you always support

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Speaker 1: the corp defended. There Again, I'm challenging a lot of

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Speaker 1: these notions because we're not in it to just blindly

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Speaker 1: nakedly defend corporations. We're certainly not in too nakedly defend

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Speaker 1: doctors or the medical lobby. Doctors are a very noble profession,

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Speaker 1: but like many no professions, they have been institutionally captured

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Speaker 1: by ideologus and by left wing radicals. Here when it

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Speaker 1: comes to big tech, this potentially could lead to a

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Speaker 1: place where the big tech products are forced to put

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Speaker 1: on their websites a similar warning label, similar to if

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Speaker 1: you walk into your local gas station buy a pack

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Speaker 1: of cigarettes today, what you might see as a warning

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Speaker 1: label about how highly addictive a product that it actually is.

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Speaker 1: This is a really, really, really big deal when it

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Speaker 1: comes to our fight that again, I've been a part

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Speaker 1: of for her some time now pushing back against this

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Speaker 1: notion that these big tech corporations who control our modern

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Speaker 1: day public square, that they can just do whatever they

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Speaker 1: want carp lunch, and we the people cannot act in

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Speaker 1: a way that redounds to the common good. That's not

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Speaker 1: how it works. Technology must ultimately be channeled through the

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Speaker 1: prism of that which is best for human flourishing and

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Speaker 1: the common good. All technology must be oriented towards that.

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Speaker 1: There is a prudence role for regulation. There there is

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Speaker 1: a prudence role for legislation, for law, in for statesmanship.

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Speaker 1: Technology run a mock might be good, it also might

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Speaker 1: not be good. That is the role of politics, and

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Speaker 1: the role of law and judges is to make sure

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Speaker 1: that technology proceeds in a way that it's a little bumpy,

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Speaker 1: not a straight shop, but it's a little bumpy. To

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Speaker 1: make sure that it proceeds in advances in a manner

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Speaker 1: that redounds to the common good. These two jury vertices weak, folks,

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Speaker 1: I think, are a big, big step forward in that

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Speaker 1: most noble of pursuits. Folks have a great rest re evening.

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Speaker 1: I will be back home my homesto tomorrow and we

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Speaker 1: will talk about my speech a seapack. Ben hope you

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Speaker 1: enjoys day show. Joshammer signing off us will be right

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Speaker 1: back tomorrow,