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Speaker 2: Well, for the first time in two thousand years, Jews

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Speaker 2: in mutual respect. To understand just how new and how

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Speaker 2: delicate this relationship is, we must know our history and

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Speaker 2: what brought us to this amazing moment. We also need

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Speaker 2: to learn from those who have pioneered this relationship, to

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Speaker 2: learn from their mistakes, to receive their advice. So this

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Speaker 2: new series on Jews and Christians relating together will do

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Speaker 2: just that.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a break and hear a message from one

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Speaker 1: explores timely issues and current events from a scriptural perspective

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Speaker 2: Well, welcome to Part one of Jews and Christians Learning

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Speaker 2: to Relate, in which I am going to give a

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Speaker 2: Jews and Christians were inseparable. You couldn't tell the two

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Speaker 2: or not. The Jewish believers in Jesus went to temple,

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Speaker 2: he came as the Jewish Messiah. He was born into

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Speaker 2: So this means that we have gone from two face

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