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Speaker 1: Ana loll back down May May the.

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, thanks so much for joining us right here

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Speaker 2: on the right view tonight, we're joined by the host

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Speaker 2: of Human Events Daily, Jack Pasobic.

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Speaker 1: Jack love having you on. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: joining us today.

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Speaker 2: I want to go back because in twenty twenty two

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Speaker 2: you attended the World Economic Forum in Davos.

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Speaker 1: Besides not being detained this time.

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Speaker 3: How did I know this was going to come up?

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Speaker 2: Laura?

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Speaker 3: How did I know?

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Speaker 1: Well, man, listen, we got to come in hot. How

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Speaker 1: was it different this time? What did you notice? What

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Speaker 1: can you tell me?

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Speaker 4: So? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: So, I mean you look at the arc of the

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Speaker 5: story here. Twenty twenty two, we're out there and it

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Speaker 5: was Charlie Kirk that actually had sent me there with

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Speaker 5: a Turning Point USA camera crew, and we were filming

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Speaker 5: a documentary on the Great Reset and people remember this

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Speaker 5: was Klaus Schwab own nothing and you'll be happy eat debugs.

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Speaker 5: You live in depod, you know, and this was the

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Speaker 5: big thing. So Charlie sent me out and we're recording

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Speaker 5: and we're you know, doing videos. And by the way,

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Speaker 5: we were not doing anything. We were not being provocateurs.

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Speaker 5: We were not you know, running around and harassing anything

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Speaker 5: like that. We're doing a stand up interview. I'm dressed

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Speaker 5: pretty much like I am right now standing up. Hey,

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Speaker 5: we're here at Davos, and this is what's going on.

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Speaker 5: These are the different you know, panels that are happening.

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Speaker 5: Here's who's speaking. And keep in mind, this is when

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Speaker 5: Biden was president, So this is during the Biden presidency,

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Speaker 5: and and all of his you know, cronies were all

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Speaker 5: coming in there and showing up, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 5: as we break for lunch and I'm getting lunch for

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Speaker 5: the crew and they're recharging batteries and things like that,

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Speaker 5: we get swarmed by the World Economic Forum police team

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Speaker 5: with their MP five submachine guns all drawn surrounding us.

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Speaker 3: They what are you doing? Why are you here?

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Speaker 5: And I explained, we're turning Point USA. We're here Kirk.

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Speaker 5: Guys could look him up. He's he's pretty well known.

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Speaker 5: And they took our equipment. They attempted to take our film.

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Speaker 5: I refused to allow them to take our film or

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Speaker 5: you know, our our cartridges with the UH with our

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Speaker 5: SIM cards and SD cards and everything, and they actually

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Speaker 5: took us out around the side and demanded that we

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Speaker 3: Of the building. Oh yeah. And at that point I

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Speaker 5: Able to get some messages out and some tweets out

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Speaker 5: as it was all going on. And then some other

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Speaker 5: members of the Turning Point Cruise, Evanner, Hernandez, my brother,

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Speaker 5: my wife Tanya Tay all showed up and started filming,

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Speaker 5: getting in their face what are you doing? Why are

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Speaker 5: you doing this? And at that point they you know,

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Speaker 5: they kind of broke and ran away. As this became,

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Speaker 5: you know, the sort of a was going just viral.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely viral.

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Speaker 5: So fast forward, you know, three three and a half

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Speaker 5: years later, we come in with the Trump administration. Now

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Speaker 5: all of a sudden, we're part of the official delegation

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Speaker 5: as as media partners on the US delegation. And I

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Speaker 5: have my pass that actually says World Economic Forum with

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Speaker 5: Donald J. Trump USA. So this time around, it's night

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Speaker 5: different the Trump effects, Right, So he comes in Now

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Speaker 5: all of a sudden, we have full access. We're able

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Speaker 5: one of the dialogues, all of the panels, was able

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Speaker 5: to go right up to Gavin Newsom and ask him

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Speaker 5: the Minneapolis church and Don Lemon, and funny enough, Gavin

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Speaker 3: Never heard about it. I had no idea what I

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Speaker 5: So you just see that the total difference between the

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Speaker 5: way that the Biden administration was capitulating to the globalist

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Speaker 5: you know, the globalist class, this this world elite, and

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Speaker 5: how they were punishing independent media for being there, whereas

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Speaker 5: with the Trump administration, they came in. Not only did

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Speaker 5: but he also was welcoming to independent media and saying, look,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, imagine that. What a novel idea.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I love the fact that we all

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Speaker 2: know Newsome wants to run for president. Yet this guy

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Speaker 2: has no idea what's going on in the United States

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Speaker 2: of America one of the biggest stories around.

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Speaker 1: Give us all a break, please, did.

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Speaker 3: You forget the trick?

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Speaker 4: There is?

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Speaker 5: Though, because the reason that I asked him that question

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Speaker 5: pretend that he's a moderate. However, will he then denounce

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Speaker 5: that if we marry him to the far left, which

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Speaker 5: of course that's all of his policies, as all of his.

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Speaker 3: Background, he's to look at California. It's like, don't quit

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Speaker 3: your day job. Actually he's terrible at his day job.

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Speaker 5: That if you if you look what you know, go

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Speaker 5: Steve Hilton about that and you can see this. So

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Speaker 5: that's going to be a huge problem for him in

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Speaker 5: Problem in a primary of the Democrats because he's a

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Speaker 5: he's a straight white man, and obviously we know that

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Speaker 5: Democrats have a problem with that. But then in the

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Speaker 5: And so that's why I asked him the question, and look,

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Speaker 5: it's not going to be good enough on the national

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Speaker 5: not going to be good enough.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that that doesn't fly for people.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever get a reason as to why you

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Speaker 2: were accosted in the way you were that, you know,

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Speaker 5: No, And in fact, when we put in freedom of

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Speaker 5: even claimed that it didn't happen. They claimed there was

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Speaker 5: no detention. And then Reuter's ran this piece on it,

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Speaker 3: You know, this obviously isn't the way that anyone should

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Speaker 3: so c things. They came out and they said, fact check,

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Speaker 5: Jack Pasovic was not detained by World Economic Forum police.

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Speaker 5: Jack Pazovic was detained by Swiss police who were assigned

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Speaker 5: to the World Economic Forum. And the reason they did that, Laura,

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Speaker 5: shared and Don Junior had shared this out and number

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Speaker 5: it would then put the censorship on you put that anchor,

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Speaker 3: Slapped on it.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I mean, just what a different time we're in,

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Speaker 2: and not that that many years truly have passed in between.

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Speaker 3: That means COVID that was the height of their power and.

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Speaker 2: To hear that story, and I mean, my god, everybody

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Speaker 2: to them. Obviously that's pretty extreme. But what a different

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Speaker 2: There was such a different i mean view of America

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Speaker 2: having President Trump there and it really felt like, oh

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Speaker 2: my god, America's back watching his speech there at Davos,

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Speaker 2: watching the way that he interacted there. Were you surprised

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Speaker 5: You know, I'll put it this way, I was interested

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Speaker 5: And I think what President Trump has done was completely

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Speaker 3: We cannot defend ourselves. We don't have the ability.

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Speaker 5: And you wonder why the Europeans will sit there and say, oh,

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Speaker 5: we have free universities, we have free education, we have.

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Speaker 3: Free health care, free this, free that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because you don't have to spend any of your

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Speaker 5: That's why you're able to do those things, because we

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Speaker 5: subsidize you. And it's it's it's President Trump again, in

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Speaker 5: one of his greatest roles, I've always said as being

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Speaker 5: the great revealer of truth, because there's a let's just

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Speaker 5: say there's a lot of mistruths or maybe a little

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that just generally the entire tone

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Speaker 1: It used to be. I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: Look, all of these European leaders felt very very much

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Speaker 2: I think that I always say he's the most historic

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Speaker 1: And now they're like, oh, I understand why we need

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Speaker 5: But as we all know, the Democrats aren't so good

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Speaker 5: international geostrategic importance of Greenland, not to mention, and.

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Speaker 3: That's the Greenland pitch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's playing like forty chess and they're still playing checkers.

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Speaker 3: Jack.

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Speaker 2: It's so true. He's so forward thinking in everything he does.

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Speaker 5: End of World War two, right, he actually did so

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Speaker 3: It was the United States military.

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Speaker 5: So the United States military defended Greenland in World War two.

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Speaker 5: But they still we still have we have air force

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Speaker 2: And we're joined by President of the Media Research Center,

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Speaker 2: David Bozell.

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Speaker 1: David, welcome to the show. Yeah, love having you on

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Speaker 1: and love Media Research Center.

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Speaker 2: You guys do amazing work and you're keeping a lot

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Speaker 2: of people.

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Speaker 1: Honest out there.

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Speaker 2: So can you explain to the audience what the MRC

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Speaker 2: Digital News Tracker is and how it works to monitor

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Speaker 2: the Big four news apps, Google, Yahoo, MSN, and Apple.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you have to be a certain kind of crazy

481
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Speaker 6: to do what we do, and at the end of

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Speaker 6: the day out watching these guys, but we decided we

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Speaker 6: wanted to add the apps to our portfolio.

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Speaker 4: And I'll tell you why we were.

485
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Speaker 6: I took the job from my father in May of

486
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Speaker 6: twenty twenty five one of the things I asked myself,

487
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Speaker 6: was was the country watching almost two different movies? And

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Speaker 6: a lot of our supporters would tell us the same thing.

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Speaker 6: You know, you had the right wing ecosystem, you had

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Speaker 6: the left wing ecosystem on Blue Sky and so sort

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Speaker 6: of other places. But it just felt like we were

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Speaker 6: watching two different movies at the same time.

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Speaker 4: And I asked the staff.

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Speaker 6: I said, just out of curiosity, and I didn't know

495
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Speaker 6: this at the time, what's the number one rated news

496
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Speaker 6: website in America? And so we looked at pres Gazette

497
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Speaker 6: does these rankings every single month, and it ticked us off.

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Speaker 6: But it was The New York Times Laura four hundred

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Speaker 6: and forty million hits in the month of November. CNN

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Speaker 6: was number two two at three hundred and thirty million

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Speaker 6: hits in the month of November. And so I thought

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Speaker 6: about this, and I thought, now, wait a minute. CNN,

503
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Speaker 6: in particular, their ratings are in the toilet. Right, they

504
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Speaker 6: lost fifty percent of their audience from one election night

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Speaker 6: in twenty twenty to the next election night in twenty

506
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Speaker 6: twenty four. The ratings are in the toilet. Their daytime

507
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Speaker 6: ratings are in the toilet. So is MSNBC and MSN

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Speaker 6: And the believability rates of these of these outlets are

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Speaker 6: in the toilet.

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Speaker 4: Gallop had in the fall that the.

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Speaker 6: American people believe the media at a twenty eight percent clip. Now,

512
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Speaker 6: that's just at a somewhat belief. If you believe the

513
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Speaker 6: media and their totality, that's only eight percent of the country. Wow,

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Speaker 6: But the two just didn't make The two numbers just

515
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Speaker 6: didn't make any sense, and nobody believes them. Why are

516
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Speaker 6: all these websites getting all these all this traffic tens

517
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Speaker 6: of millions, hundreds of millions a month. And the answer

518
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Speaker 6: is Google News, MSN and Apple News. Those are the

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Speaker 6: three big news app aggregators in America today. And it

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Speaker 6: makes sense if you are at work right, MSN is

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Speaker 6: basically going to be preloaded on every personal.

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Speaker 4: Computer in America.

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Speaker 6: Okay, if you have an Android, Google News is going

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Speaker 6: to get preloaded on your phone, and if you have

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Speaker 6: an iPhone, Apple News is going to get preloaded on

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Speaker 6: your phone. And so one of the to answer the

527
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Speaker 6: question is of you know, are we watching two different movies.

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Speaker 6: I'm not necessarily trying to change left wing opinion. Those

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Speaker 6: that hang out on Blue Sky brigade or think Jimmy

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Speaker 6: Kimmel's funny. Not trying to change those guys. I'm trying

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Speaker 6: to impress upon the middle that what I would call

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Speaker 6: the blissfully ignorant. You know, I'm actually quite jealous of folks.

533
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Speaker 6: The nurse in the hospital, the contractor running around doing

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Speaker 6: a ten different jobs at once during the day. Who's

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Speaker 6: not plugged into the conservative media ecosystem. Who's not he's

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Speaker 6: not plugged into Steve Days or or or Megan Kelly

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Speaker 6: or a bench here or any of these guys, These

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Speaker 6: guys who are doing fabulously well on their own, but

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Speaker 6: they're not getting any love from Google, Apple and Microsoft.

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Speaker 6: But you know who is The New York Times, CNN,

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Speaker 6: ABC and CBS and NBC. All these guys have migrated

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Speaker 6: to these apps to the tune of tens of millions

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Speaker 6: of people, and they're just regurgitating left wing opinion as

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Speaker 6: masquerading as news. And I can we'll go through the

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Speaker 6: numbers in a second. But to that blissfully ignorant piece

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Speaker 6: of Americana that is working all day, every day, that's

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Speaker 6: just glancing at the headlines. It's the headlines from the

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Speaker 6: big bad liberal media. That they're seeing all day, every day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and obviously, David, that has a huge impact on

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Speaker 2: the way the American people view certain things, the way

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Speaker 2: they feel about certain people, certain situations. And so what

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Speaker 2: is it that the news tracker does? Obviously there is

553
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Speaker 2: this inherent bias. Obviously when they add gate the stories,

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Speaker 2: they're putting the New York Times, they're putting the CNN

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Speaker 2: stories at the top. So if you go on Google,

556
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Speaker 2: you go on your browser and you type in you know, Minnesota,

557
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Speaker 2: the first things that probably pop up are going to

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Speaker 2: be like a CNN story about how horrible the Trump

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Speaker 2: administration is, versus actually giving a broad, you know, perspective

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Speaker 2: of different.

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Speaker 1: Viewpoints on something. Right, So how does the tracker work?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: So well to speaking of the of Google specifically, in

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Speaker 6: the month of November, out of one hundred and ninety

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Speaker 6: six domains that Google used in its Google News homepage,

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Speaker 6: they chose to promote the New York Times one hundred

567
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Speaker 6: times and even one hundred times. Its next closest counterpart

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Speaker 6: was the BBC of all things at fifty one times.

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Speaker 6: You have to go down the list to find Fox

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Speaker 6: at like single digit numbers, and the New York post

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Speaker 6: as single digit numbers. So what the News Tracker does

572
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Speaker 6: is every morning at ten o'clock we take a snapshot

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Speaker 6: of the top twenty stories on Google News, Apple News,

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Speaker 6: MSN News, and Yahoo, what we consider to be the

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Speaker 6: Big four. Yahoo is often dismissed incorrectly so as sort

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Speaker 6: of a relic of Internet past. But you know, if

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Speaker 6: you have a Yahoo email domain, if you're checking your

578
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Speaker 6: fantasy football, if you're going on Yahoo Finance, you were

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Speaker 6: getting Yahoo headlines. And so I'll give you the most

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Speaker 6: egregious example is the case is the curious what I

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Speaker 6: call the curious case of Newsweek. Now, Newsweek sold for

582
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Speaker 6: a dollar about ten years ago, a little over ten

583
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Speaker 6: years ago, a dollar. It was commercially bankrupt, It was

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Speaker 6: editorially devoid of any and all interesting if no one

585
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Speaker 6: really was interested in Newsweek, and even today you cannot

586
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Speaker 6: find you cannot walk one hundred miles in any direction

587
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Speaker 6: from any direction and find anyone clamoring that got to

588
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Speaker 6: have their Newsweek, Gotta.

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Speaker 4: Read it, got to read it, got to read it.

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Speaker 6: And yet in the month of November it sat as

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Speaker 6: the number twelve rated news website in America at eighty

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Speaker 6: eight million views. Why the digital news tracker the week

593
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Speaker 6: we saw counted on MSN News that it had linked

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Speaker 6: to Newsweek at least one hundred and seventy three times. Okay,

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Speaker 6: that's how many times that our tracker counted MSN linking

596
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Speaker 6: the Newsweek one hundred and seventy three different times. Now,

597
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Speaker 6: is there some sort of an agreement between the two parties.

598
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Speaker 6: Perhaps we're looking into all those types of things, But

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Speaker 6: it happens at the exclusion of the right wing ecosystem

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Speaker 6: at the and it's why I think the conservative media ecosystem,

601
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Speaker 6: which has grown so much and so in such an

602
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Speaker 6: awesome way since the days of Rustling Ball in the

603
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Speaker 6: early days of Fox and obviously Elon buying.

604
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Speaker 4: X was a huge was a huge, huge fuel to the.

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Speaker 6: Right wing ecosystem surviving and expanding. But it's kind of

606
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Speaker 6: a miracle it does as well as it does without

607
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Speaker 6: any help at all from the four biggest news aggregators

608
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Speaker 6: apps in America today. I mean, MSN is ranked number

609
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Speaker 6: four at one hundred and thirty seven million hits a month.

610
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Speaker 6: Google's ranked number ten at ninety million hits a month.

611
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Speaker 6: Apple because it's an app and not a website, you know,

612
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Speaker 6: there's it's tough to find the audience numbers, but we've

613
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Speaker 6: found some data and some reporting that suggested they have

614
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Speaker 6: one hundred and twenty five million users a month. That

615
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Speaker 6: would place at number six, and Yahoo with Yahoo finances

616
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Speaker 6: right up there too, in the top ten. So these

617
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Speaker 6: are tens of millions of eyeballs. And I'm sure you

618
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Speaker 6: get this as well, where where a lot of people

619
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Speaker 6: in the conservative ecosystem will say, well, why does the

620
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Speaker 6: president doesn't do an interview with the New York Times?

621
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Speaker 6: Why does he do that? They lie, They they they'll

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Speaker 6: just misreport him. Well, that's why they're the number one

623
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Speaker 6: rated news website in America. You know, he's got to go.

624
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Speaker 6: He's got a fish where the fish are in a

625
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Speaker 6: lot of ways, and so I don't blame him for

626
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Speaker 6: doing those types of things.

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Speaker 2: It's so interesting to hear you say what you just

628
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Speaker 2: said about how much the conservative movement has grown despite

629
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Speaker 2: all of this, and it is actually amazing and kind

630
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Speaker 2: of what it signals to me, David, is that once

631
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Speaker 2: people see this perspective of things, and I mean really

632
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Speaker 2: give it a good look, I don't know that they

633
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Speaker 2: can ever fully go back to seeing things the way

634
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Speaker 2: that they used to, or kind of living with their

635
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Speaker 2: eyes closed, so to speak, because that's how a lot

636
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Speaker 2: of people are operating, who just rely on those headlines,

637
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Speaker 2: who kind of scroll briefly and they say, Okay, yeah,

638
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Speaker 2: I got an idea of what's going on. Once you

639
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 2: actually see the other side of things, you kind of

640
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: feel like you've been asleep for a long time. And

641
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Speaker 2: I don't think people go back to sleep once they're awake.

642
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Speaker 2: And it's kind of when you think about where we

643
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Speaker 2: could be as a country if any of these outlets

644
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Speaker 2: were honest purveyors of information.

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Speaker 1: Man, what a difference it could make.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Look the tracker what it does a couple of different things.

648
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Speaker 6: It tracks the amount of the amount of links that

649
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Speaker 6: aggregate will pump to a certain outlet. It tracks the

650
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Speaker 6: quality of those lengths. So the placement. So I'll give

651
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Speaker 6: you an example. Yahoo in the month of November, it

652
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Speaker 6: linked to Fox quite a bit, all right, but the

653
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Speaker 6: average placement of a Fox story on Yahoo's domain was

654
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Speaker 6: number twenty seventh in the in their list of websites

655
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Speaker 6: and news reporting. So, so I mean, and it's non political,

656
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Speaker 6: it's you know, the latest on Pat Mahomes's acl injury

657
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Speaker 6: or you know, last picture of girl before she falls

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Speaker 6: off cruise boat. Whereas the political narrative, the policy narrative

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Speaker 6: of this country is all being delivered to you by

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Speaker 6: The New York Times, by CNN, by ABC, NBCCBS. I mean,

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Speaker 6: CBS is the lowest rated nightly news wet network. I

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Speaker 6: mean they've probably gone, they've bumped up a little bit

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Speaker 6: since Barry Whites took over, but it's the lowest of

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Speaker 6: the three, and it's the highest of the three when

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Speaker 6: it comes to website ranking. They've got the like number

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Speaker 6: eleventh rated website in America, plus ninety million hits. So

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Speaker 6: that's all because MSN and some of these guys are

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Speaker 6: promoting them day in and day out. We were just

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Speaker 6: looking at this morning Laura, MSN you could pick and

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Speaker 6: this is how they kind of defend themselves. We'll say, well,

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Speaker 6: it's it's algorithmically generated.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna ask, do you do you actually reach

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Speaker 2: out to these people and say like, hey, what's the

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Speaker 2: story here? Why is it you were so heavily promoting

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Speaker 2: what seems like democrat perspective and left leaning outlets.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we're we started early. We started the November one.

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Speaker 6: We kind of built this thing, I guess sort of

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Speaker 6: around Halloween and then so we just launched this. So

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Speaker 6: we had a bunch of November data. We're coming through

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Speaker 6: all the December data. We've got some early December returns,

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Speaker 6: and we're gonna go through January. So we're gonna do

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Speaker 6: three months of data just so we'd develop a pattern,

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Speaker 6: and then we're gonna go to back to these guys. Okay,

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Speaker 6: but when it comes to MSN and you can look,

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Speaker 6: you can go in the MSN news portal. You can say, well,

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Speaker 6: I would like to choose a different publication to be

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Speaker 6: showcased on my MSN. Well, they'll give you a bunch

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Speaker 6: of recommended publications. You know what's not on there, Wright Bart,

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Speaker 6: you know it's not on there, Daily Mail. But there's

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Speaker 6: like you know, w a v Y in Norfolk ten

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Speaker 6: that you could choose from, or w KRP in Cincinnati

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Speaker 6: that you can choose from them. That's great, right, I mean,

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Speaker 6: I'm all for having you know, local news thriving surviving

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Speaker 6: all those Thames.

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Speaker 4: That's great.

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Speaker 6: But you're telling me that Daily Wire, you know it

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Speaker 6: shouldn't have a place on the MSN's ecosystem. The Washington

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Speaker 6: Times does not have a channel that you can choose

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Speaker 6: from on MSN's ecosystem. You have to basically, you know,

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Speaker 6: sink or swim with the Washington Post if you're a Washingtonian.

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Speaker 4: So it's so they'll.

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Speaker 6: Defend themselves, will say, well, it's all algorithmically generated. But

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Speaker 6: that's all gatekeeper, you know, it's all the conservative ecosystem

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Speaker 6: is being kept away and you can choose. Apple's kind

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Speaker 6: of the same way they have got They have their

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Speaker 6: preferred publishers are for preferred subscribers.

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Speaker 4: They have the Daily Beast on there.

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Speaker 6: They don't have the Daily Wire, the Daily Signal or

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Speaker 6: the Daily Callers.

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Speaker 4: Too, you's from.

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Speaker 6: So it's like I said, it's kind of a miracle

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Speaker 6: that the conservative ecosystem has survived. And the net effect

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Speaker 6: of this is is kind of this false mirror where

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Speaker 6: the narrative of whatever the New York Times puts out

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Speaker 6: is sort of just considered to be consensus in the country.

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Speaker 6: The narrative of whatever CNN puts out is considered to

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Speaker 6: be consensus in the country. I'll give you another example.

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Speaker 6: The church what I call a riot mini riot. I

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Speaker 6: guess with Don Lemon and the ANTIFA guys in the church.

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Speaker 6: Apple was one of the only one of the four

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Speaker 6: to put a story up about that, the only one

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Speaker 6: out of Google, MSN, Yahoo, and Apple. They put two

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Speaker 6: stories up. One was from the Washington Post that blamed

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Speaker 6: the Trump administration for the church riot mini riot, and

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Speaker 6: the other story was from BBC.

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Speaker 4: As if BBC has I mean, you couldn't find anything

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Speaker 4: in Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: It's literally not even in the country.

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Speaker 4: David, my god.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's an example after example of that type of

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Speaker 6: thing where they're going to international outlets, outlets that have

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Speaker 6: nothing to do with the story, and they have local

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Speaker 6: outlets available to them to choose from, but they don't.

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Speaker 4: And so that's all.

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Speaker 6: It's more editorially driven than they would want to admit

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Speaker 6: public Well, all.

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Speaker 2: All you have to do is and I mean, if

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Speaker 2: you really want something horrifying, go google my name, for example,

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Speaker 2: go plug in a Google search engine Laura Trump, and

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Speaker 2: you tell me what comes up there. You will not

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Speaker 2: have one nice story or by the way, Google image

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Speaker 2: me or one nice decent photo of me that populates there.

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Speaker 2: They will all be nasty, they will all be negative.

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Speaker 2: And it's so clear the bias. What I understand and

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Speaker 2: you can you can share with our audience if this

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Speaker 2: is the case.

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Speaker 1: In your December.

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Speaker 2: Study of Google, you found that left leaning outlets were

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Speaker 2: promoted seventy point three percent of the time, and the

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Speaker 2: ratio of left leaning to right leaning stories on Google

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Speaker 2: News was fifty two to one in December. I mean, holy,

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Speaker 2: that's just it's so blatant.

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Speaker 4: I'll give you another one. That's there's a fifty two

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Speaker 4: to one ratio.

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Speaker 6: Now, now keep in mind, now we're not deciding what

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Speaker 6: is a left wing outlet versus a right wing outlet.

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Speaker 6: There's a company called All Sides. It's a nonprofit or

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Speaker 6: non partisan operations. So we've decided to use them just

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Speaker 6: to keep this sort of on the straight and narrow.

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Speaker 6: So we're not calling balls and strikes as to what's

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Speaker 6: the right wing outlet versus what's the left wing outlet.

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Speaker 4: But here's another one.

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Speaker 6: We reviewed eight hundred and forty forty stories that were

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Speaker 6: published by Google News in its top twenty placements from

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Speaker 6: November twenty eighth to January ninth. That's a span of

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Speaker 6: about six weeks forty two days. Of those stories, only

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Speaker 6: four addressed the Minnesota fraud. Skin only four of them

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Speaker 6: out of eight hundred and forty stories. None of the

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Speaker 6: four outlets came story stories came from a right leading outlet. Okay,

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Speaker 6: So so Nick Shirley does a video, He gets one

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Speaker 6: hundred million plus views in seventy two hours. It dominates X,

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Speaker 6: It dominates the conservative Meko media ecosystem. Every single media

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Speaker 6: conservative media outlet in America wrote about it, every single one.

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Speaker 6: And the four stories that Google News decided to showcase

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Speaker 6: were from none of them. Three of them were from

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Speaker 6: were four or there? All four were left wing, three

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Speaker 6: of them vilified the Trump administration. Uh, and then I

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Speaker 6: think one of them they actually did one when the

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Speaker 6: New York Times did finally did their expos in the

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Speaker 6: Minnesota frauds schedule, and kudos.

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Speaker 4: To them for doing it.

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Speaker 6: It took Google News four days to publish it four days,

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Speaker 6: and there are fans of the New York Times, so

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Speaker 6: so you know, they'll just pick and choose what they

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Speaker 6: want to get from the New York Times, the New

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Speaker 6: York Times. You know, even a broken clock is right

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Speaker 6: twice a day, and New r Times gets one right

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Speaker 6: with this expos in the Minnesota fraud scandal, and Google

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Speaker 6: waited four days to publish it.

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Speaker 1: So it's amazing. So what do we do?

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Speaker 2: You know, what do conservatives or just generally people in

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Speaker 2: America do who just want access to balanced news and

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Speaker 2: information without the bias.

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Speaker 1: Is there anything we can do?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Well, so I think if you're tried and true conservative, right,

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Speaker 6: you know where you're going for your news and information.

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Speaker 6: It's not this message isn't necessarily for them. What, Like

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Speaker 6: I said, I want to get to that. You know,

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Speaker 6: every political I'm gonna take my mrc C three hot

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Speaker 6: off for a second. Every political campaign in America is

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Speaker 6: just is trying to get to that ten, twelve, fifteen

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Speaker 6: percent in the middle, what I would call the blissfully

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Speaker 6: ignorant right. And again I admire that they're just not

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Speaker 6: plugged into this.

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Speaker 4: Stuff as much as you and I might be.

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Speaker 6: But every and so what I'm trying, I really want

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Speaker 6: to get political campaigns pital operatives to understand that that

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Speaker 6: Google and Apple and MSN and Yahoo are really no

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Speaker 6: different from than ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC.

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Speaker 4: They're really no different at all.

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Speaker 6: And so what we've got to do is do to

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Speaker 6: them what we've done at MRC to those aforementioned news

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Speaker 6: networks and make sure that their believability rate goes down.

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Speaker 6: The net effect, I would hope is better conservative media

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Speaker 6: representation on some of the big four news apps. There's

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Speaker 6: got to be a more a better equilimbrium in terms

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Speaker 6: of distribution. And then I think that ten to twelve

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Speaker 6: to fifteen percent, you know, part of Middle America that

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Speaker 6: we're all trying to go after, is going to see

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Speaker 6: a more balanced presentation of the political narrative.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we got to hope that we can continue

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Speaker 2: to expose this. And again I started out saying this,

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Speaker 2: but I really want to say thank you because you're welcome. Honestly,

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Speaker 2: what you're doing at the Media Research Center is so

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Speaker 2: important people who you feel it, but to quantify it

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Speaker 2: in this way and to really see those numbers and

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Speaker 2: to see and I'm I can't wait for you to

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Speaker 2: finish this kind of three month study that you guys

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Speaker 2: are doing, and I hope you come back and give

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Speaker 2: us the full scope of things and give us the

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Speaker 2: response from some of these some of these different you know,

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Speaker 2: news aggregates, because this is this is a powerful stuff

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Speaker 2: and it has a huge impact. David, as I know

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Speaker 2: you are aware on the entire country, in the future

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Speaker 2: of our country. So thank thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: being with us okay to break this down and yeah,

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Speaker 2: we can't wait.

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Speaker 1: To hear more.

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Speaker 4: You'll get the exclusive.

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Speaker 2: Amazing David Bozel. Thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: To everybody at home, as always, make sure you like, subscribe, share,

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Speaker 2: and follow. We'll see you back here next time for

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Speaker 2: more of the right.

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Speaker 1: View and oh mom, back down.

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Speaker 3: Maybe may

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Speaker 1: There way way