1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: Life Audio. It is time to escape the me maze. 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 2: I'm talking about a self centered spirituality and faith. It 3 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 2: is time to make Jesus the foundation again and actually 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 2: live a life free from pressure. 5 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: Let's talk about it. 6 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Hello, ladies and gents, and welcome to this 7 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 2: week's episode of the Bottom Beloved Podcast. As always, it's 8 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 2: your girl Kirby Kelly. 9 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: Back at it again. 10 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 2: You guys know, we have had so many guests on 11 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 2: the podcast, and that is partially because your girl has 12 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 2: been on maternity leave by the time that you're listening 13 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: or watching this episode. 14 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: But it's also been like one of. 15 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: The coolest seasons ever because I've been able to have 16 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 2: so many people on, people I look up to, people 17 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 2: whose books I've read that I'm like, dang, this is good, 18 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 2: and I'm convicted, low key and just incredible guests that 19 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 2: I've been able to now call friends. And someone who's 20 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: joining me today recently came out with a book a 21 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 2: couple of months ago called Free Me from Me. I 22 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: love that Free Me from Me escaping the maze of 23 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 2: self centeredness by embracing a God centered life. And how 24 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 2: many of us know, especially here like in America. 25 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: And in the States. 26 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: But I even think, just like this generation specifically, we 27 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 2: can really be about the self, even when it comes 28 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: to our walk with Christ, how we read scripture, how 29 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: we go about day to day life with Jesus, and 30 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 2: kind of just like seeing ourself in that relationship and 31 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 2: not realizing this is a relationship and we're called to 32 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: be crucified and christ. 33 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: Formed to be like him. 34 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 2: But anyways, I'm gonna let my guest get into all 35 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 2: that because he's the expert. He wrote a book on it. 36 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: His name is Ryan, and he's joining me. Ryan, can 37 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 2: you just introduce yourself to the people who are tuning 38 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 2: in today if they don't know who you are. 39 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Kirby, thank you so much for having me 40 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 3: on this podcast. I'm so excited to be here. And yes, 41 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 3: I am a pastor in Austin, Texas. I helped plan 42 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 3: a church with two of my best friends about eight 43 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 3: years ago called Red Rocks Austin. We started in Denver 44 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 3: twenty one years ago, but eight years ago we moved 45 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 3: down to Austin and I love this city so much 46 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 3: and loved a pastor and also love to write, and 47 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 3: so yeah, Free Me from Me is the latest project 48 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 3: that I've been working on. 49 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: That's awesome. 50 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: First of all, I love Red Rocks Worship literally blast 51 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 2: them like twenty four to seven, So that's awesome. 52 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: And I just love I love Austin as well. Great city. 53 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: I'm in Dallas, so I'm literally like before I wur 54 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: drive from. 55 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 3: Here right up the street. I know, I always I 56 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 3: was spoiled. Our worship team is so great. I love 57 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 3: serious about talented people. 58 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: And yeah, whenever I see like my Spotify release radar 59 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: that y'all have something new, I'm like, I. 60 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: Know they cooked with this one. I know it's gonna 61 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: be so good. That's awesome. 62 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: Well, next time I'm in Austin, I need to go there. 63 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 2: I didn't even know that y'all had a church plant 64 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 2: down there. 65 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: What am I? 66 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 2: Yeah? 67 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 1: My my youth. 68 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 2: Pastor and his wife, who like basically stepped up and 69 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 2: were like a second set of parents to me have 70 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 2: a church plant out in spice Wood. So I go 71 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 2: visit them all the time. So I need to swing 72 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 2: by your place. 73 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 3: We would love to have you. Yeah, we we're having 74 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 3: a good time. We've got six services going on now, 75 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 3: and it's just like it's so cool. 76 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: That's amazing. 77 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: There's a lot of people moving to Austin, so a 78 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 2: lot of opportunity for people to be evangelized to discipled. 79 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: This is awesome. I love that. Okay, well I need 80 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: to come visit y'all. 81 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: But let's talk about your new book, Freemi from Me. 82 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: So your book opens with the line I'm addicted to me, 83 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 2: and that's very honest. So what made you realize that 84 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: this was true for your own life? 85 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 3: Yeah? So the first book that I wrote was about singleness. 86 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 3: And what I realized is I wrote the first book 87 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 3: about the thing that I'm best at, and so I 88 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 3: decided to write the second book about the thing that 89 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 3: I'm worst at. And so getting beyond the self, I 90 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 3: think is the thing that just gets me. I years ago, 91 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 3: a mentor of mine sat me down and he said, hey, 92 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 3: let's talk about your prayer life. And I thought like, oh, 93 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 3: I crush prayer, you know, like I've got this, and 94 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 3: he goes, okay, great, So if you had a transcript 95 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 3: of the last twenty four hours of all of your prayers, 96 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 3: and I go, oh, it would be so long. You know, 97 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 3: I'm like beating him to the punch, like I pray 98 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 3: a lot. And he goes, fine, that's not what I'm asking. 99 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 3: He goes, how many of those prayers? What percentage of 100 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 3: those prayers were about somebody else or for somebody else? 101 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 3: And I had one of those moments where I like 102 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 3: stopped and realized, like, oh no, like I'm. 103 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: Convicted very few of. 104 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 3: Them, you know, And that mentality is always stuck with 105 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 3: me over the years of And by the way, not 106 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 3: that there's anything wrong with praying for yourself, but at 107 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 3: some level, spirituality can so easily become about the self, 108 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 3: and when that happens, it turns into a performance and 109 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 3: you get stuck in the comparison trap and all of 110 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 3: these things. And so I've just noticed more and more 111 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 3: over the last couple of years how often I end 112 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 3: up putting myself at the center of the story. And 113 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 3: so free me from Me has just become a really 114 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 3: honest prayer that I pray. I've already prayed about eight 115 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 3: times today, Lord, free me from me. I don't want 116 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 3: to be in the center of this Christ. I want 117 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 3: to put you back at the center of this you lead. 118 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 3: I'll follow. 119 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 2: You talk about throughout the book the idea of the 120 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 2: me mas. So how would you describe that in simple 121 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: terms for somebody who feels, you know, stuck in this idea, 122 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 2: because even hearing you say that, I'm sure that someone's like, wait, 123 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 2: that's literally me. I feel like a lot of my 124 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 2: faith walk has been focused only on me. How would 125 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 2: you explain the me mas to someone listening today? 126 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 3: Totally? It's funny. That was the first The original title 127 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 3: of the book was the Mes Really yeah, and I 128 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 3: loved it, but the publishers were like, nobody understands what 129 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 3: that means, because it's just. 130 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 2: I feel that free me from me's really good though, 131 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: especially like putting that in the context of prayer that 132 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 2: you can practice every day. 133 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, yeah, I agree. I'm glad we got to 134 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 3: the title that that we got to. I love a 135 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 3: good alliteration, just like you love a good alliteration, bought 136 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 3: and beloved. So free Me or the me Mas is 137 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 3: the original like metaphor. It's the central metaphor of the book, 138 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 3: and it's the original like analogy that I had that 139 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 3: when you put yourself at the center of the story, 140 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 3: when you start with self, you think you're going to 141 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 3: find answers, and yet you just end up with more 142 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,559 Speaker 3: and more questions, and so I had this this image 143 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 3: in my mind of like me in the middle of 144 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 3: this maze, like running around trying so hard to escape 145 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 3: and not being able to escape, and all of it 146 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 3: was because I was putting myself just right at the 147 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 3: center of all of it. And so yeah, me, mas is, 148 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 3: I just think it's helpful language for me personally. I'll 149 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 3: stop and I'll go, Oh, I'm in the memes again, 150 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 3: aren't I. I'm in the memas again. And it happens 151 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 3: all the time, and so yeah, the thing is, like 152 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 3: we're inundated with a message in our modern world, and 153 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 3: the message is start with self. Whether that's self help 154 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 3: or self discovery or self assessments or self care. All 155 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 3: of those things are good things, but they have a 156 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 3: horrible starting point. And so if you are trying to 157 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 3: figure out your life while starting with self, you're not 158 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 3: going to get anywhere and it's not going to work. 159 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 3: And so my whole whole thing is, we got to 160 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 3: trade in self righteousness for God's righteousness, and self help 161 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 3: for God's help, and self care for soul care. We 162 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 3: got to put God back at the center of all 163 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 3: of this and then from their life makes so much 164 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 3: more sense. But The thing about the meme is is 165 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 3: you don't really see it until somebody names it. And 166 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 3: so one of the things I'm just trying to do 167 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 3: in this book is just give people some helpful language 168 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 3: and name something that I think we've all been feeling 169 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 3: but maybe haven't had the words to describe. 170 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: Does that make sense, Yeah, that totally makes sense. 171 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: And like, you're very lucky that you had You said 172 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: it was a mentor in your life, right, that even 173 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 2: called out your prayer life of just like, hey, like, 174 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 2: let's maybe hold up the mirror to what you've kind 175 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 2: of just been looking at, like your own reflection of 176 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 2: self in your prayer life. And I know, for me, 177 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 2: even when I was like reading your book, I was like, 178 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 2: I'm thankful that I have people in my life who 179 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 2: have been bold enough and kind enough to call me 180 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 2: out whenever I have not made Christ the center of 181 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 2: a pursuit or people the aim of what God has 182 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 2: called me to do or whatever. Right, Like, we're all human, 183 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 2: we're all infallible, like we all make mistakes. 184 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 1: And I think even just being able to. 185 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 2: Have a resource like yours is great because there might 186 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 2: be people who don't have those people in their life. 187 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 2: That have the boldness and the kindness to be able 188 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 2: to do that, or even just have the language to 189 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 2: be able to be able to, you know, see behind 190 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 2: the scenes even and you even talk about like it 191 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 2: can be this performance even where it's like, well, you 192 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 2: might be kind of like the super saying of your sanctuary, 193 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: and it's like nobody knows that this is something that 194 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 2: you might actually be dealing with behind the scenes. So 195 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 2: I'm glad that you have a you have a resource 196 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: now out there that can be very sobering for people 197 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 2: to read. And there's this parton in your book where 198 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 2: you talk about how living with self at the center 199 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 2: creates pressure, but when we put Christ at the center, 200 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 2: we actually end up with a life that's full of rest. 201 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 2: So can you hone in on that because that was 202 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 2: something that like specifically spoke to me. I was like, Oh, 203 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 2: because I'm now in this season of like learning rest 204 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 2: or have been prioritized rest and just release. 205 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: Of performance in a way. But I want to hear 206 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: your thoughts on all that. 207 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, man, So the book is fun because it tells 208 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 3: a bunch of different stories about me, like going all 209 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 3: over the world and trying to figure all this out. 210 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 3: And it ends with me with one of my best friends, 211 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 3: Matt in Hawaii one afternoon and we're at the end 212 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 3: of this like long kayaking trip that we've been taking 213 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 3: and he's out in the water trying to catch lunch 214 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 3: for the day spearfishing, and I'm on the beach with 215 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 3: my journal, like trying to get to the bottom of like, 216 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 3: what is really the word? What's one word that I 217 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 3: would use to describe this meme's concept. And I'd been 218 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 3: searching for it and searching for it and searching for it, 219 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 3: and then I was sitting on the beach, beautiful beach, 220 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 3: like putting all this pressure on myself to come up 221 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 3: with this word, and I was like, Oh, it's right 222 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 3: in front of me. Obviously the word is pressure, like 223 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 3: something about there's something about spirituality. It's following Jesus as 224 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 3: the most freeing thing in the world. And yeah, it's 225 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 3: so easy to put ourselves back at the center of 226 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 3: that journey without noticing it. And when we do that, 227 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 3: that's where all the pressure starts to come. And so 228 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 3: in Matthew eleven twenty eight through thirty, you know this, 229 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 3: Jesus says, come to me, all you who are weary 230 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,719 Speaker 3: and burdened, and then he goes and I will give 231 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 3: you rest. And I love that because the starting point 232 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 3: is come to me. It's come to Jesus. And I 233 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 3: feel like, as I early on in my faith, that 234 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 3: made so much sense to me. And then I started 235 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 3: feeling like I should be like further along in this 236 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 3: than I actually am. And so I'm like, I've got it. 237 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 3: I've got Matthew eleven twenty eight memorized I could preach 238 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 3: a three part sermon right now on Matthew eleven twenty eight. 239 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 3: But I'm sitting on the beach going yeah, but I'm 240 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 3: trying to do this on my own strength. Again, aren't TEI? Lord? 241 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 3: And I just had like a really humbling, beautiful moment 242 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 3: of realizing, like all of this pressure pressure is always 243 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 3: an indication that I'm trying to do this on my 244 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 3: own strength. Psalm twenty three. David writes, the Lord is 245 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 3: my shepherd. I feel like our modern day rendition of 246 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 3: Psalm twenty three is I am my own shepherd. I 247 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 3: better figure this out. And so I have just learned 248 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 3: to get really good at catching myself when I go, oh, 249 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 3: I'm trying to be my own shepherd again, I'm trying 250 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 3: to find rest for my soul without first going to 251 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 3: Christ and the really good news in that moment. And 252 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 3: this is like really important, Like there's no condemnation for 253 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 3: those who are in Christ Jesus, you know, and the 254 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 3: Lord knows like this is going to be a process, 255 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 3: the sanctification process of becoming more like Jesus is a 256 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 3: lifelong journey. And so with no shame and no condemnation, 257 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 3: I just open my hands back up and I go, Lord, 258 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 3: I'm so sorry. I made myself my own shepherd. I 259 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,599 Speaker 3: want you to be my good shepherd. Forgive me and 260 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 3: you lead and I'm a follow and so pressure I've 261 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 3: learned to see that as an indication that I'm putting 262 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,599 Speaker 3: myself back at the center and a sweet invitation to 263 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 3: just repent and to let go and to put Christ 264 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 3: back at the center and keep moving forward. 265 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: M It makes me. 266 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 2: You talking about that makes me think about in your 267 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 2: book you talk about like how we can kind of 268 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 2: like default to these different roles. 269 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: Like performer or comparer or avoid or controller. 270 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 2: Can you hone in on those, like even if you 271 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: just want to give a brief description of each of 272 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 2: those and have you noticed if there's like a specific 273 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 2: lean that like most people have in their life, because 274 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 2: for me, I would say it's performer, like one like 275 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 2: I'm putting the pressure on myself to hold it all together, 276 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 2: to get it all right. Even I'm sure you relate 277 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 2: to this, even like you literally wrote a book on it. 278 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 2: So of course, where it's like you know, you're leading 279 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 2: a ministry and it's like. 280 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 1: It's just so easy. 281 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 2: Where it's like it's this good thing that God has 282 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 2: assigned me. It's this good thing that God has has 283 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 2: called me to do. But it's like once it becomes 284 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 2: about me, and not even like the selfish way, but 285 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 2: once the pressure is even put on me, it is 286 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 2: no longer about the Lord and being recentered in that. 287 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 2: So dive into that performer, comparer, avoid, and controller. 288 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, so those are the that's the the four sections 289 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 3: of the book, I would say, the four roles that 290 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 3: keep us stuck in the memes. I think about the 291 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 3: memes like it has four layers, and the performer is 292 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 3: that outer one. And you know it's funny you laugh 293 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 3: at this. I've I've been asking everyone out of those four, 294 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 3: which one do you resonate with? Most? But what's funny 295 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 3: is is I've been asking mostly podcasters because I keep 296 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 3: doing all these interviews, and all of those podcasters I'll 297 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 3: say performer. 298 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: It's like I'm sensing a pattern here. 299 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 3: That's so funny totally. But and as to your point, 300 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 3: it's it's not that we're it's not that the intentions 301 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 3: are wrong at all. It's that the nature of what 302 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 3: we do is a bit performative, just in that we're 303 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 3: currently recording something that people are going to be watching 304 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 3: and so right. I talked to my worship leader friends 305 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 3: about this all the time too. What you're doing is 306 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 3: not wrong, but what you're doing is so easily shifted 307 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 3: over to a well, you're the one on a stage 308 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 3: with lights on you like singing right now to Jesus, 309 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 3: And so it just means that we have to be 310 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 3: all that much more intentional about calling it out in 311 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 3: ourselves and seeing it and so yes, performer. For me, 312 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 3: that was the starting the starting point for the book, 313 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 3: realizing how often spirituality turns into a performance and how 314 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 3: easily that happens to me. I remember, man years ago, 315 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 3: I was about to preach a sermon and a person, 316 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 3: a communicator who I really respect walked into the room, 317 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 3: and I felt myself go into performer mode, and I 318 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 3: felt myself shift from like, oh, I get an opportunity 319 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 3: to shepherd this flock too. I want to impress this person, 320 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 3: you know, yeah, And it's so easy to let that happen. 321 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 3: And I had a moment where, you know, there's always 322 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 3: like the worship before the message, and I walked over 323 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 3: to him and I said, Hey, I'm trying to impress 324 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 3: you right now, and he just like very knowingly smiled 325 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 3: and he was like, I know, I've been there. I understand. 326 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 3: And he goes, thank you for confessing that. Stop doing that, 327 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 3: go feed the flock and know that I'm cheering for 328 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 3: you because we're on the same team. And when you win, 329 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 3: I win. And it was one of those like freeing 330 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 3: things in the world for me. And yeah, that story 331 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 3: was just on my heart. I wonder if maybe that's 332 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 3: that's freeing for for somebody who's listening or watching. Comparison 333 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 3: in Christianity and performing is so easy. It's such an 334 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 3: easy trap to fall into, but there's always a sweet 335 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 3: invitation to just turn and go Jesus, I'm I'm so sorry. 336 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 3: I'm trying to impress that person because I'm not currently 337 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 3: living out of the fullness of my identity and who 338 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 3: I am in Christ. And so I'm gonna put myself 339 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 3: back in Christ. I'm gonna put you back at the 340 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 3: center of the story of Jesus, and I'm gonna get 341 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 3: up there and I'm gonna go do what I feel 342 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 3: like you created me to do. Does that Does any 343 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 3: of that resonate with you at all? Oh? 344 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Like literally even a few weeks ago, this is 345 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 2: it's so funny, Like actually timely, I was preaching at 346 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 2: a women's event in Comanchee, Texas, like literally the middle 347 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 2: of nowhere and like beyond Fort Worth where it's like 348 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 2: there's still Texas out here, like there's a lot but 349 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 2: drove all the way out there. And something that my 350 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 2: husband and I talk about all the time is like, 351 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 2: before I go and I speak, I will put all 352 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 2: this pressure on myself. And I think it comes from 353 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 2: a genuine place, but like even if it's coming from 354 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 2: a genuine place, it can still be manipulated. And I 355 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 2: think for me, it was like I just want to 356 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 2: do a good job. I just want to do a 357 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 2: good job, like they they want me out here. You 358 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 2: know they are allowing me to come and speak to 359 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 2: their congregation, their flock, like all these women who are 360 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 2: coming together, I want to do a good job, Like 361 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 2: I just not even for the sake of like them 362 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 2: being like, Wow, she's awesome, let's book her again and 363 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 2: have her out here again. 364 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: But it's like I. 365 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 2: Want to honor their time, I want to honor their resources, 366 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 2: like I just. 367 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: Don't want them to feel. 368 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 2: But then it's like when I peel back the layers 369 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 2: of like how good that sounds, It's like there's insecurity 370 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 2: in that, likes there's pressure in that to perform versus oh, 371 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 2: like I'm here to just glorify the Lord at the 372 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 2: end of the day and to feed these people, Like 373 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 2: godd God's someone who set this up at the end 374 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 2: of the day, you know. And so that is something 375 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,719 Speaker 2: that my husband constantly like this is like one of 376 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 2: like a billion conversations like the billianth one where he 377 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 2: just humbles me in that of And I'm thankful that 378 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 2: I have him in my life for a million reasons, 379 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 2: but that's definitely one of them, especially in ministry of 380 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 2: like you are not here to impress anyone, are be 381 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 2: faithful to God? Be faithful to God with the opportunity 382 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,719 Speaker 2: that he has given you to steward and it's like 383 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 2: when I finally have kind of like that like, oh yeah, 384 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 2: come to Jesus moment where it's like it's not about 385 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 2: me and it's literally all about him and it's about 386 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 2: who he cares for. It it just it removes that, 387 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 2: It removes the pressure, It removes the even comparison of like, oh, well, 388 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 2: like you know, they have another speaker and she's so 389 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 2: awesome and she's so like it can just be really 390 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 2: easy to fall into those traps, but can you can 391 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 2: you touch on the other two as well? You have 392 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 2: a void and also controller? 393 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well. The funny thing about the avoid is 394 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 3: I wrote the other three sections and I knew like 395 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 3: exactly what they were supposed to be, and so originally 396 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 3: the book was was the three parts. And I was 397 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 3: on a walk. I was at my parents' house for 398 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 3: the holidays, and I was on a walk and I 399 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 3: was just like, it's not quite complete. It's not quite complete. 400 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 3: I'm missing something that it just hit me like, oh, 401 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 3: I've been avoiding talking about being an avoid and very 402 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 3: easy to do, by the way, but how easy it 403 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 3: is to run away from even conversations like this, especially 404 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 3: when it comes to the self, and instead of just going, oh, 405 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 3: I feel like I'm I feel like there's something on 406 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 3: this for me. I feel like I tend to put 407 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 3: myself at the center of the story and start to 408 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 3: compare and start to perform. It's easier just to be like, nah, no, 409 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 3: it's fine, it's fine, that doesn't that doesn't matter. We're 410 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 3: just going to push that, sweep that under the rug 411 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 3: and pretend like it's not there. But the picture of 412 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 3: the what we get in the New Testament is that 413 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 3: God exists as a as a trinity, father, son, and 414 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 3: Holy Spirit, and explaining that is maybe beyond our time today. 415 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 3: But the per the Holy Spirit. What we see in 416 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 3: acts is that the Holy Spirit moves in like like 417 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 3: a roommate. Paul calls our bodies temples of the Holy Spirit, 418 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 3: which means like if I had you and your husband 419 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 3: over for dinner tonight and I had some some mess 420 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 3: going on, I could stuff it into a back room 421 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 3: and I could lock that door and it would be 422 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 3: no problem. But if I invited a roommate to come 423 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 3: live with me, I couldn't get away with that anymore, 424 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 3: because eventually that person's going to find that that that 425 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 3: back room, and I try to see try to think 426 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 3: the same way when it comes to the Holy Spirit. No, 427 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 3: if the whole, if I'm the temple of the Holy Spirit, 428 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 3: I can't just avoid some of these things that are 429 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 3: in my life by locking them in a in a 430 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 3: back room. I need to learn to let the Holy 431 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 3: Spirit into those locked rooms and realize that all the 432 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 3: freedom that I'm looking for is actually found in letting 433 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 3: God into those places so that we can heal together. 434 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 3: But I'll say this, when you think you are your 435 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 3: own shepherd, those back rooms are terrifying. But the really 436 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 3: good news is when you have a good shepherd who's 437 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 3: going to walk with you, then you can actually go 438 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 3: into those places with courage and knowing that Jesus is 439 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 3: walking with you every step of the way. And so yeah, 440 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 3: Part three of the book really turned into my favorite section. 441 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 3: At the end of all of it, it's all about 442 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 3: how to identify when we're avoiding things and instead of 443 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 3: avoiding them, let's let's face them head on. And then 444 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 3: at the bottom of all of this, let's be real 445 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 3: for all of us is control. You know, control has 446 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 3: been getting human since the Garden of Eden, and so 447 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 3: I kind of finished there and and tell some funny 448 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 3: and by funny I mean embarrassing stories about all the 449 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 3: ways that try to control my own spiritual journey over 450 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 3: the years. 451 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 2: Dude, story of my wife literally in all my books, 452 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, you guys, want is here by my 453 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,479 Speaker 2: most embarrassing moments that I'm still processing through loking. 454 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 3: I know that because it's. 455 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: So human and it's so like you said, like it. 456 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 2: Happened in the very beginning where it's like, okay, we 457 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 2: can all just relate on this level, can't we? 458 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: Yes, the answer is yes. 459 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,479 Speaker 2: And being vulnerable, I mean I really do applaud you 460 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 2: with being vulnerable about all those things, because it takes 461 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 2: it takes a lot to be vulnerable. And I know 462 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 2: that sounds like very cliche, and you know, maybe you've 463 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 2: heard that a lot where it's like you're so vulnerable 464 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 2: and you're so strong, But seriously, like going first gives 465 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 2: people the opportunity to go second, especially in an area 466 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: like this where it can be like almost one of 467 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 2: those pretty sins in a way where it's like, oh yeah, 468 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 2: I just struggle with performing because like God has called 469 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 2: me to do so many good things or whatever, and 470 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 2: it's like, no, these are things that can like genuinely 471 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 2: be like detrimental at the end of the day, because 472 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 2: it's like, even in the very beginning, it's like there 473 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:54,479 Speaker 2: was this lie of self of like, well you can 474 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 2: be like God, Well you get like this turning from 475 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 2: God and edience to him and worship to him and 476 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 2: communion with him and trust in him, to a trust 477 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 2: in ourselves a rebellion against him, even though that wasn't 478 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 2: necessarily their intention, that's what ended up happening. And like, 479 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 2: look at the world we live in today. You know, 480 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 2: thank you for Jesus literally that he came and he 481 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 2: redeemed us for those of us who believe in him. 482 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 2: He has redeemed us unto himself. But it's still something 483 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 2: that a lot of us struggle with to this day. 484 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 2: And it's something that even me, like I'm twenty nine 485 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 2: years old. I've been doing ministry since I was like fourteen, 486 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 2: just posting videos online talking about Jesus because nobody was 487 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 2: doing that, so I was like, I'll do it, and 488 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 2: then really stepped into ministry like speaking, preaching, podcasting, all 489 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 2: that stuff. When I was in college back in like 490 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, and it's one of those things 491 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 2: that even still today, God has to check my heart 492 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 2: on that. And it's when I actually look to him 493 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 2: and I stopped looking at myself where it's like, oh, yikes, 494 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 2: I didn't realize that I was stuck in this maze 495 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 2: yet again, Like I literally fell into the trap and 496 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 2: it's like, you know, I took the cheese, like this 497 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 2: little rat took the cheese and I didn't even realize it. 498 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 2: It's just like it can be so sneaky. But even 499 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 2: even kind of like with what I was saying earlier, 500 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 2: it's like for me, a lot of that the root 501 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 2: can be this insecurity. Are there any other roots that 502 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 2: you've like noticed within people where it's like, oh, we 503 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 2: struggle with me because of insecurity, or we struggle to 504 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 2: put the pressure on ourself maybe because of pride. Like 505 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 2: have there been certain things that you've noticed within people, 506 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 2: certain struggles where it's like this needs to be actually 507 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 2: addressed in the light to the Lord. 508 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, especially those first two for performer and compare. I 509 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 3: think that fear of not being loved is like, I mean, 510 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 3: we see it in Adam and Eve to your point 511 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 3: in Genesis three, we were afraid because we were naked, 512 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 3: so we hid. I go, that is that is my life. 513 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 3: That is what we do. We feel the shame. We 514 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 3: don't feel like if we are fully known that we 515 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 3: will be truly loved, and so instead we sew fig 516 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 3: leaves together with whatever our performance performative nature thing is, 517 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 3: and we try to impress enough people that you know, 518 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 3: like in generations before us, it would have been like, uh, 519 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 3: sports cars and mansions, and there's a little bit of 520 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 3: that leftover, some residue of that leftover, but I think 521 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 3: way more of it is like number of followers and 522 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 3: inflat and like and I mean talk about the comparison game, 523 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 3: like all of the numbers are like sitting there for 524 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 3: all of us to to see, you know. And then 525 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 3: I'll talk to people who are quote unquote like at 526 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 3: the top of that game and they're like, I still 527 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 3: feel unseen and insecure. And I thought that followers were 528 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 3: going to be the the knownness that I needed. But 529 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 3: like what we know is you actually have all the 530 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 3: known that you need in being fully known by God. 531 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 3: And then if you're fortunate enough to have a couple 532 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 3: of people, like real people in your in your corner community, 533 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 3: who really know you. That's all the known you need. 534 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 3: And the rest is a is a silly comparison game 535 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 3: birth out of insecurity. But that doesn't mean that we 536 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 3: we The vehicle of social media, for example, is a 537 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 3: great vehicle to preach the gospel. And you've done that 538 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 3: so so well. You stew heard that so well. It's 539 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 3: just I always want to want to help us like 540 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 3: see the silly game on the side that that you know, 541 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 3: that that we've just seen for so long. So it 542 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 3: doesn't mean that we stop doing what we do. Doesn't 543 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 3: mean that we stop preaching. It doesn't mean that we 544 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 3: stop podcasting. It doesn't mean that that we stop pointing 545 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 3: people to Jesus. We're here to fulfill the great commission, 546 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 3: and this is the way to do it today. It's 547 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 3: just yeah, in today's day and age, it comes with 548 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 3: this very tricky self promotion thing that just needs to 549 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 3: be called out. And so I've just gotten really good 550 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 3: at calling it out in myself and then sharing those 551 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 3: stories to hopefully help some other people see it in 552 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 3: themselves too. 553 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 2: Well. 554 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: That's good. I need that. 555 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 2: We all need that, especially ministry leaders. And I hope 556 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 2: that if you are a ministry leader and you're tuning 557 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 2: in today, whether you're listening or whether you're watching the 558 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 2: video portion, that that really speaks to you that like, 559 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, it is not on you, 560 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 2: and we need to recenter ourself on Christ. 561 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: So what, Ryan, are there any practical ways today? 562 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 2: I know you talk about it in your book of 563 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 2: like being able to actually escape the memes and all 564 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 2: those things, But what are some practical ways, maybe one 565 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 2: or two things today we can do to begin to 566 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 2: recenter our life on Christ, our ministries on Christ, our 567 00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 2: pursuits and families and priorities on Christ, and not ourselves. 568 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. Great, I'll give you two my two go tos. 569 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 3: The first is, especially if it's like that performative or 570 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 3: comparison trap that that we find ourselves falling into where 571 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 3: you start looking at somebody else doing what you're also 572 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 3: doing but getting more validation for it, and that like 573 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 3: inner part of you is like I want that validation. 574 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: Yeah what about me? 575 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 3: God? 576 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 2: Literally, I'm a faithful so real I've prayed that prayer 577 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 2: like a few days ago. 578 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's real, It's it's real, And it's all 579 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 3: across the board, whether that's ministry, whether that's that person 580 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 3: got in a relationship but not me. You know, like 581 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 3: whatever that person got the promotion that I deserve. 582 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: All of that. 583 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 3: I've noticed that praying for other people, praying that God 584 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 3: would bless other people. And this is gonna sound so simple, 585 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 3: but if you just stop and take time and ask 586 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 3: God to bless them, something starts to change. And so 587 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 3: that person that you compare yourself to, if you just 588 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 3: put on like I'll literally put on the Blessing by 589 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 3: Elevation worship and for it's eight minutes and thirty six seconds, 590 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 3: and I'll take the entirety of that song and I 591 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 3: would do nothing but try to bless that person. So Lord, 592 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 3: would you bless them? Would you keep them when you 593 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 3: make your face shine upon them? And would you continue 594 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 3: to give them favor? And I just thank you for them, 595 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 3: and I celebrate them today. And the first like two minutes, 596 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 3: it feels super strange for your soul because your flesh 597 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 3: is like, why would we want God to bless that person? 598 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 3: That person is our competition. But your spirit will start 599 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 3: to come alive because your spirit goes Yeah, that's what 600 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 3: I'm talking about is God is not a god of scarcity, 601 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 3: but of abundance. And so let's stop playing these silly 602 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 3: games and let's legitimately bless this person and ask God 603 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 3: to give them favor. And so that's a hard one 604 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 3: to do, but it's very practical and very easy, and 605 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 3: it's not easy. It's simple, but if you will actually 606 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,959 Speaker 3: do it and press into it, it'll change. And then 607 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 3: the second thing I do all the time is I'll connect. 608 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 3: I'll do breath prayer, which is just simply connecting your 609 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 3: breath with your prayer, and I'll take a Bible verse psal. 610 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 3: I'm twenty three to one. We talked about earlier as 611 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 3: my go to the Lord is my shepherd. I lack nothing. 612 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 3: And so what I'll do is on the inhale, I'll 613 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 3: just pray the Lord is my shepherd, and then on 614 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 3: the exhale it'll be I lack nothing. And I'll just 615 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 3: do that about five to ten times when I feel 616 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 3: myself starting to get caught in the memes, and I 617 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 3: live up here and connecting my breath with my prayer 618 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 3: helps me, helps me sink down into my heart and 619 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 3: realize what's always been true that Jesus has always been 620 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 3: there going, hey, I'm ready to be your good shepherd, 621 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 3: you know, and so yeah, praying for other people and 622 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 3: then practicing breath prayer to two places to start. 623 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 2: That's great, great way to ground yourself and what is 624 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 2: true because we can just so often spiral. Even I 625 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 2: know for me that's true. It's like I just conspiral 626 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 2: of like the what ifs, and I need to be 627 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 2: this and I need to do that. 628 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: But like truly. 629 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 2: Meditating on the word of God, like getting grounded on 630 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 2: the word of God and chewing the cud like it's 631 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 2: literally what meditation means. For those of y'all who are 632 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 2: not Texans and have cows everywhere, it's like cows have 633 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 2: four stomachs, and that's what to meditate is to like 634 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 2: you're chewing it, you swallow it, but then they regurgitate it, 635 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 2: they chew it again, they swallow it, they regurgitate it 636 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 2: again because they got four stomachs. 637 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: And it's like that's what we. 638 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 2: Need to be doing with Like, Okay, Christ, you are 639 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 2: at the center. I need to be rooted and grounded 640 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 2: in your word. 641 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: And what is true literally Philippines four eight. Whatever is true, 642 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: whatever is noble. 643 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 2: Whatever's just go down that list, and it's like, is 644 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 2: my thought life and my prayer life and my spiritual 645 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 2: life and how I treat other people and all these 646 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 2: things like that, even that first one, is this true? 647 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: Is this true? 648 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 2: Because odds are we're living out lies, we're believing lies, 649 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 2: and often it is because because it is so me centric. 650 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 2: But when Christ is the center, He, when he is 651 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 2: the foundation of everything, everything comes into order. It's amazing 652 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 2: how that happens, right, the God of order of all creation, 653 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 2: that when we are able to be aligned with him 654 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,479 Speaker 2: and in his kindness, he prunes and he reveals to 655 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 2: us things just begin to make sense, not only in 656 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 2: our life, but in our soul. And a lot of 657 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 2: us need that soul care, not just self care, but 658 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 2: that's soul care. To bring it all the way back 659 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 2: to the beginning, Ryan, Where can people get your book? 660 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 2: Because it's been out for a little bit, so for 661 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 2: those who want to listen or grab a copy and 662 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 2: read it today, where can they grab it? 663 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 3: Yeah? Anywhere books are sold, Amazon, Barnes and Noble, Target, 664 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 3: you know all the goats. But it's unaudible if you're 665 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:52,719 Speaker 3: an audiobook person, And yeah, it would love for you 666 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 3: to dive in, would love to hear your thoughts on 667 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 3: what you have taken away from it. And so yeah, 668 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 3: that's what I would say. And Kirby, thank you so 669 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 3: much for this space, letting me be a small part 670 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 3: of this space. I love what you were doing, I 671 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,399 Speaker 3: love what you're building. I'm proud of you, and yeah, 672 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:11,320 Speaker 3: this just means the world. 673 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Well, I'm glad that you made the 674 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 2: time to come on here again. I know for all 675 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 2: of y'all who are listening, you're probably like, wow, they've 676 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 2: recorded this this week. No, we recorded this a little 677 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 2: while back because I'm gonna go on maternity leave. But 678 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,320 Speaker 2: when his team reached out and they're like, hey. 679 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: We know someone who wrote a book and we think 680 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,399 Speaker 1: that you'd really like it, and I was like, yes, 681 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 1: let's get him on the podcast. 682 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,399 Speaker 2: I was just super stoked for this conversation. So thank 683 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 2: you for taking the time to be on here again. 684 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 2: If you guys want to check out his book, it 685 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 2: is called Free Me from Me Escaping the Maze of 686 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:47,959 Speaker 2: self Centeredness by embracing a God centered life. 687 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: I'm talking way too quick. It is such a good book. 688 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 2: I will link it down below, and for anyone who 689 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 2: wants to keep up to date with you, Ryan and 690 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 2: what you're doing, or maybe we have some Austonians who 691 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 2: are looking for a new church. Where can they even 692 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 2: meet you in person and check out what you're doing 693 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 2: in person? 694 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: Yeah? 695 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:10,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, Instagram just Ryan Weckman is where I'm most active online. 696 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 3: But yeah, I am a pastor first and foremost, and 697 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 3: so if you are ever in Austin, swing By, we 698 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,839 Speaker 3: have a campus called Red Rocks Austin, and we would 699 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 3: love to have you. And it's a good time. It's 700 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 3: a party, and we love what the Lord is doing 701 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 3: in and through that place, and so would love to 702 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 3: meet you in the lobby. 703 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: Come on, let them know the pod senta. That'd be 704 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:33,879 Speaker 1: a fun time. 705 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 2: Maybe I'll be there, who knows, maybe I'll be visiting 706 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 2: that weekend too, come on. 707 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: Okay? 708 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Ryan, thank you for taking the time to 709 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 2: be here, and to all of you who listened wherever, however, whenever, 710 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 2: thank you for tuning in. 711 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: I really do. 712 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 2: Pray that this episode blessed you in some way, and 713 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 2: maybe that you have some takeaways that you can even 714 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 2: begin to do today. Maybe read Psalm twenty three. Maybe 715 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 2: practice some of those breath prayers. Maybe get the book 716 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 2: and read. I don't know that's good practical, but like 717 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 2: I said, it'll be linked down below and I will 718 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 2: see you guys here next week with another episode on 719 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 2: the Bottom Beloved podcast. 720 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,919 Speaker 1: But until then, love you guys bye. 721 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 2: For more life giving, faith based podcasts just like this one, 722 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 2: check out lifeaudio dot com, a proud partner of the 723 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 2: Bottonbeloved podcast