Speaker 1: My name is Charlie kirk I run the largest pro
Speaker 1: American student organization in the country, fighting for the future
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Speaker 2: My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth.
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Speaker 1: a great conversation here. Who are you? My name is
Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk, and I love America because I love talking
Speaker 1: with people I disagree with?
Speaker 2: What have you done for your country?
Speaker 1: Start an organization that's now in a thousand plus campuses
Speaker 1: to save the greatest culture in country.
Speaker 2: Every two exists.
Speaker 1: I love talking for people I disagree, though, When people
Speaker 1: stop talking, that's when you get violence. That's when civil
Speaker 1: war happens.
Speaker 3: Seems to me that nothing will ever be enough for
Speaker 3: the evil in this world. Our country has become unrecognizable.
Speaker 3: These people have perverted the truth to the point that
Speaker 3: they motivated the murder of my husband. They have continuously
Speaker 3: tried to assassinate the president, and anyone who stands in
Speaker 3: their way is labeled hateful, racist, fascist, and every other
Speaker 3: trigger word that is grossly dishonest. We want the best
Speaker 3: for our country.
Speaker 2: They don't.
Speaker 4: This is why.
Speaker 3: Charlie started turning Point USA in the first place. He
Speaker 3: didn't trust the radicalized liberal teachers. And this past Saturday,
Speaker 3: it was a school.
Speaker 5: Teacher, of all people, a school teacher.
Speaker 3: That attempted to change our history for the worst with bullets.
Speaker 3: And everyone is asking why I even went to the
Speaker 3: White House Correspondent Center, and it was because many of
Speaker 3: the journalists in that room have attempted to dehumanize me,
Speaker 3: and I wanted to meet some of them face to face.
Speaker 3: Quite frankly, why have a conversation about me when you
Speaker 3: can have a conversation with me. So, for example, a
Speaker 3: journalist from the Daily Mail came up to me. She
Speaker 3: introduced herself and she was saying she.
Speaker 4: Was very gracious.
Speaker 3: She was saying, you look so beautiful. I'm so sorry
Speaker 3: for your loss, to which I replied, it is so
Speaker 3: nice to put a name to the face, especially with
Speaker 3: all of the slander, the lies, accusations that are out
Speaker 3: there surrounding my husband's murder and myself. And I said
Speaker 3: to her, you know what's so interesting, this is my
Speaker 3: first time at the White House Correspondent Sinner, and I
Speaker 3: find it so fascinating the dynamic that is going on
Speaker 3: right now, because everyone is all dressed up, and you
Speaker 3: guys are co mingling in and out of each other's
Speaker 3: cocktail parties, and so for one night you are able
Speaker 3: to put aside all of your differences for the sake
Speaker 3: of freedom of speech, and then by Monday morning things
Speaker 3: will go back to being an absolute bloodbath between all
Speaker 3: of you. She replied, literally, she said, I know, isn't
Speaker 3: it special?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 3: Isn't tonight so special? And following that conversation, it was
Speaker 3: time to take our seats and we went into the
Speaker 3: big ballroom where the dinner was. And one of the
Speaker 3: first things I noticed when I walked into that room
Speaker 3: was quite literally the proximity of the opposing outlets to
Speaker 3: one another. So you have one table here that's Politico,
Speaker 3: and another table here that's Fox, and another table here
Speaker 3: that's Wappo, and you're all cramped together, elbow to elbow.
Speaker 3: And to make the night even more of a spectacle,
Speaker 3: every single ten person table had ten bottles of wine.
Speaker 3: And the president of the White House Correspondence Association, she
Speaker 3: did a great job of trying to make the evening
Speaker 3: had that feeling of Americana. You know, we were in
Speaker 3: a room celebrating freedom of speech despite our differences, and
Speaker 3: the US Marine band performed the national anthems so beautifully,
Speaker 3: and then shortly thereafter, gunshots rang out and total chaos ensued.
Speaker 3: And you guys have all seen what happened next, because
Speaker 3: there are a thousand videos of it. So let's discuss
Speaker 3: that fact for a second. If you were in that room,
Speaker 3: you had no way of knowing what the status of
Speaker 3: the shooter was, how many there were, or honestly, really anything.
Speaker 3: It was just utter chaos. And so during an active shooting,
Speaker 3: these journalists are using their phones to find moments to
Speaker 3: capture for clips. They were so concerned about getting a
Speaker 3: video in a room with an active shooter that they
Speaker 3: could have accidentally and quite literally filmed themselves being shot.
Speaker 3: Many of those people have become so desensitized that fight
Speaker 3: or flight became secondary to the opportunity of putting themselves
Speaker 3: into the story, which ironically breaks the number one rule
Speaker 3: of journals. And again, ironically enough, the shooter was a teacher.
Speaker 3: You have these people who are supposed to be teaching
Speaker 3: our children the future of this country, and he's so
Speaker 3: unhinged that he is able to teach children by day
Speaker 3: and then attempt to murder the President of the United
Speaker 3: States by night. And in his manifesto he starts by
Speaker 3: contextualizing himself by saying, I am a citizen of the
Speaker 3: United States of America. And while we may have big
Speaker 3: problems with the legal immigration in this country, I have
Speaker 3: to tell you we have an even bigger problem when
Speaker 3: it comes to the systemic and doctrination and radicalization of
Speaker 3: our own citizens. This is what got my husband killed,
Speaker 3: This is what has led to three legitimate attempts on
Speaker 3: President Trump's life. And I can speak firsthand to that
Speaker 3: unbearable toll that this must take on our first lady.
Speaker 3: There has never been a president who has faced this
Speaker 3: many assassination attempts in Americans' entire history, and after each one,
Speaker 3: the reaction from the far left has been, at best
Speaker 3: a shrug and in some cases, a sick disappointment that
Speaker 3: the shooter was unsuccessful. We are all human beings, and
Speaker 3: if you can, just if you can just pause and
Speaker 3: just take a minute and ask yourself, how would you
Speaker 3: feel if even just one person made cruel jokes about
Speaker 3: the attempted murder of your loved one. That is what
Speaker 3: Jimmy Kimmel did to the first lady. He said that
Speaker 3: she had the glow of an expected widow, of an
Speaker 3: expected widow just forty eight hours before that nightmare almost
Speaker 3: became a reality. And this culture we're living in absorbs
Speaker 3: disagreement as a form of personal betrayal. It turns having
Speaker 3: an opposing viewpoint into a moral crime worthy of punishment.
Speaker 3: And here's what I've realized through all of this, truly,
Speaker 3: having lived through quite literal hell these past seven months,
Speaker 3: if you strip someone of their humanity long enough, you
Speaker 3: will arrive at the chilling conclusion that they don't deserve
Speaker 3: to exist at all. Every morning I wake up to
Speaker 3: a new headline lying about me.
Speaker 4: I have.
Speaker 3: Comedians dressing up in whiteface. I have people saying I'm
Speaker 3: not fit to be CEO, and I have canvass Owens
Speaker 3: claiming I murdered my husband, and the list goes on
Speaker 3: and on and on.
Speaker 4: There is a serious.
Speaker 3: Epidemic of dehumanization plaguing this country. The most unthinkable tragedies
Speaker 3: have now become commonplace in our daily headlines, and yet
Speaker 3: the media finds a way to conveniently explain away violence
Speaker 3: this is what we're up against. This is what we're
Speaker 3: up against. What is happening right now is something none
Speaker 3: of us can afford to ignore. The evil forces working
Speaker 3: to divide us, to distract us, and to pull us
Speaker 3: apart has never been stronger. This is a moment for
Speaker 3: Americans to come together and decide what kind of country
Speaker 3: we are going to be before we lose our country altogether.
Speaker 3: In Romans, Chapter twelve, verse twenty one, it says, do
Speaker 3: not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Speaker 3: And this is why my husband and created Turning Point USA,
Speaker 3: so we could have civil discourse and debate and open dialogue,
Speaker 3: because when we stopped talking to each other, bad things happen.
Speaker 3: I am choosing to fight for America, for my children,
Speaker 3: for your children, and for our humanity because we all
Speaker 3: need to do our part, and by the grace of God,
Speaker 3: we will succeed and America will remain what she was
Speaker 3: always called to be, a shining city on a hill,
Speaker 3: a light to the world. So let me give you
Speaker 3: a perfect example of how it's done. My husband did
Speaker 3: it best and left us the blueprint on how to
Speaker 3: have uncomfortable conversations with those who disagree, but.
Speaker 2: Here we go.
Speaker 4: So my sense today is on immigration. I think that
Speaker 4: immigration contributes a lot to America. So my parents did
Speaker 4: come here legally, and they right now are in the
Speaker 4: process again and it takes a long time. No, they
Speaker 4: came here legally, like they came with the RISA and
Speaker 4: now they're renewing it and then to different process right now.
Speaker 4: But so I'm really religious. I'm Catholic. My parents grew
Speaker 4: me up that way. And in Matthew two thirteen through fifteen,
Speaker 4: it talks about how Jesus had to flee Nazareth or
Speaker 4: no Bethlehem. Sorry, he had to flee because someone was
Speaker 4: going to die and they were looking to kill him.
Speaker 4: And he had to flee his own country and leave
Speaker 4: everything behind because an angel spoke to Mary and Joseph
Speaker 4: that they should leave. So a lot of people do that.
Speaker 4: That's why they immigrate to the United States. A lot
Speaker 4: of people have to leave everything behind because not everyone
Speaker 4: just wants to pack up all the things and leave
Speaker 4: right now, I personally would hate if I had to
Speaker 4: sell my car, my house, leave my parents, leave my friends,
Speaker 4: and leave everyone. So I just want to know what
Speaker 4: your stantus on that, just because in the Bible, it
Speaker 4: talks about.
Speaker 2: That, right.
Speaker 1: So first of all, Jesus actually didn't emigrate. He stayed
Speaker 1: within the confines of the Roman Empire because Egypt was
Speaker 1: actually other under Roman jurisdiction. That's a separate point. But
Speaker 1: there are plenty of verses that says you should welcome
Speaker 1: the stranger, and so I will grant you that. I
Speaker 1: guess the first point, the first point I would have
Speaker 1: to ask is should immigration always benefit the home country?
Speaker 4: I think so yes, And that is one thing that
Speaker 4: I looked into. So there are immigrants right now working here, correct,
Speaker 4: and they get some of their paycheck cut off right
Speaker 4: because of Social Security and all those benefits. But they
Speaker 4: don't get those benefits because they're illegal.
Speaker 1: Do you mean legal or illegal immigrants? That distinction is
Speaker 1: very important.
Speaker 4: Illegal you get those benefits.
Speaker 2: So let's just be clear.
Speaker 1: If they have a social Security number, how'd they get
Speaker 1: that the right way? They stole it, don't You don't
Speaker 1: get a social Security number as any illegal period, It
Speaker 1: does not happen. They stole it. So that's an act
Speaker 1: of theft. And so they stole an American social Security
Speaker 1: number to be able to work here, which drives down wages,
Speaker 1: which drives down opportunity costs. But even beyond that, we
Speaker 1: just have to look at their action. They were not
Speaker 1: invited to come to this country. They broke in line,
Speaker 1: they cut in line, and we should not reward line
Speaker 1: cutters or border jumpers. We should reward people like your
Speaker 1: parents that actually came here legally to this country.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I understand that point, I really do. But sometimes
Speaker 4: people generally need to leave their country because in like
Speaker 4: my mother's case, for instance, there was like a terrorist
Speaker 4: attack on my family and that's the reason my mom
Speaker 4: had to come. And thankfully she did get it immediately.
Speaker 4: But now I've heard of so many stories where people
Speaker 4: have to wait like ten years, twenty years, even thirty years.
Speaker 4: Like my grandma right now is trying to get the process,
Speaker 4: and thankfully she is now, but it's taken her about
Speaker 4: ten years now, and she makes enough money in her
Speaker 4: country and she just wants to come here as a tourist.
Speaker 4: That's the main reason. And I do understand that. I
Speaker 4: think that My main point is at how we should
Speaker 4: implement more money into the immigration system because Trump's zero
Speaker 4: tolerance policy that just felt cruel because there's a lot
Speaker 4: of people here that are doing well and zero tolerance,
Speaker 4: they just had to leave the country. I feel like
Speaker 4: that was imfumente of him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's not their country though, and that's the
Speaker 1: So let me just like, here's it. If I went
Speaker 1: to Mexico without being invited or allowed, and I took
Speaker 1: a job and the Mexican government found out, what would
Speaker 1: the Mexican government do to me? I'm not sure they
Speaker 1: would send me back to America.
Speaker 4: And why was the reason you left the US first?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 2: Reason?
Speaker 1: That's an interesting thing. Is there ever a legitimate reason,
Speaker 1: in your opinion to commit a crime?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 1: Well, then the reason doesn't matter because under that say, so,
Speaker 1: can you rob a bank because you wish.
Speaker 2: You had more money?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 4: You work harder.
Speaker 1: Then why doesn't that moral standard applied immigration?
Speaker 4: Because the system is it isn't doing its job. That's
Speaker 4: why I think we should implement more money because there
Speaker 4: is some people like I do get it. You know,
Speaker 4: some people come here and then I do admit some
Speaker 4: of them commit crime, but not all of them.
Speaker 1: No, No, but they're all criminals if they came illegally,
Speaker 1: that's the distinction. By definition, they're breaking federal law eight USC.
Speaker 1: Thirteen twelve. Just their presence here is against the law.
Speaker 1: Would you be okay welcoming in five hundred million people
Speaker 1: into America?
Speaker 4: That's why we which you implement the system to undercent Emis.
Speaker 2: No, you got to kake.
Speaker 1: Do you think five hundred million people would be too
Speaker 1: many people?
Speaker 4: Five hundred million? I don't even think that would fit
Speaker 4: the United States?
Speaker 1: I agree, And that's the point is that if everyone,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden declared that their life was in danger,
Speaker 1: we'd have to let in like all of Nicaragua, all
Speaker 1: of Honduras, almost all of Venezuela, the standard all of
Speaker 1: a sudden starts falling apart. And we find that people
Speaker 1: lie about this, they deceive it. Here's my perspective. Why
Speaker 1: don't we try to empower those people to make the
Speaker 1: countries they're coming from greater and strong or else this
Speaker 1: problem will actually never be fixed at the root level.
Speaker 2: Does that make sense?
Speaker 4: It does make sense, and I wish it was that easy.
Speaker 4: So for instance, I am part Peruvian and in Peru,
Speaker 4: so they were having a presidential election and the president
Speaker 4: who was going to win was better for the country
Speaker 4: and would help out a lot more. But since it's corrupt,
Speaker 4: they made the other president win. They sent him death threats,
Speaker 4: nearly almost killed him. He had to fake his death
Speaker 4: and leave, and they jailed her. They jailed her completely,
Speaker 4: and they let the guy win. That is why it's corrupt.
Speaker 4: It's hard to fix a country when there's no help
Speaker 4: towards it. So Peru was. They were rooting for the
Speaker 4: good president. They were rooting to build their system back up,
Speaker 4: but the other president it was rigged. It was completely rigged.
Speaker 1: So does it make it better or worse if millions
Speaker 1: of people leave that country for Peru?
Speaker 4: Can you, like, what do you mean by three million.
Speaker 1: People left Peru? Does Peru get greater or weaker? Stronger
Speaker 1: or weaker?
Speaker 8: Neither?
Speaker 4: I mean, it's in a weak state right now.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty obvious. I'm trying to even say
Speaker 1: that mass immigration is.
Speaker 2: Bad for everybody.
Speaker 1: It's bad for America, and it's bad for the country
Speaker 1: that people are leaving from. The only difference is that
Speaker 1: they send back American money through remittances that actually subsidize
Speaker 1: this entire thing. Let me ask one final question. If
Speaker 1: somebody comes into America without invitation and they are illegal,
Speaker 1: what do you think the penalty should be?
Speaker 4: I think it's humane to look at their case and
Speaker 4: why they had to leave everything they've ever known.
Speaker 1: We believe that we should send them back to their
Speaker 1: country origin.
Speaker 4: I just want to make one more final point. So
Speaker 4: I do understand that, But my final point is that
Speaker 4: do you agree that we should implement more money to
Speaker 4: the immigration so well?
Speaker 1: I think we should have no immigrants in the country
Speaker 1: for the next ten years. We have way too many
Speaker 1: people in this country. And I'll prove it to you
Speaker 1: here in California. Your hospitals are overrun, your schools are overrun.
Speaker 1: Do you guys agree that you have a crowded state
Speaker 1: right now? We are a California is a cluttered state
Speaker 1: with social services that are being strained, and we need
Speaker 1: a pause on all immigration in my opinion, to metaphorically
Speaker 1: digest the major meal that we just ate, or else
Speaker 1: we are going to have a major, major assimilation problem,
Speaker 1: cultural problem, cohesion problem, all sorts of issues. And I
Speaker 1: know this is a provocative thing to say, but immigration
Speaker 1: is something that you use as a way to benefit
Speaker 1: the homeland.
Speaker 2: You don't have to have immigration.
Speaker 4: But just as an example, my parents came here, like
Speaker 4: I said, legally zero dollars and they have benefited so
Speaker 4: much of the country. They have made so much, like
Speaker 4: one hundreds and thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: Praise God. That's the American dream.
Speaker 4: It is and it's just like a hard thing.
Speaker 1: And I want American booring young people from UC Riverside
Speaker 1: to also have that American dream and not have to
Speaker 1: compete against foreigners for that.
Speaker 2: Thank you for your time.
Speaker 4: Can I say one point?
Speaker 2: We have a long line?
Speaker 4: Thank you really quick though.
Speaker 1: Okay again, what is it?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Sorry, okay, I understand the American dream is hard. My
Speaker 4: parents my mom was pregnant, working two jobs one day
Speaker 4: and she sacrificed everything and now she has more money
Speaker 4: than the average American.
Speaker 1: Praise God. That is the American dream. Thank you very much,
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 7: I want to talk about the debate of abortion, so
Speaker 7: I know that it's something very controversial. Some people are
Speaker 7: pro choice, some people are pro life. Before I start,
Speaker 7: I want to make sure that I understand your opinion fully,
Speaker 7: so I don't take you know what I've heard online?
Speaker 7: What is your stance on abortion?
Speaker 1: Life begins at conception?
Speaker 8: Okay, so where do you so? Conception? So is that
Speaker 8: when sperm enters the egg?
Speaker 1: Is that during six, when new DNA is formed.
Speaker 7: Okay, when new DNA is formed. So the egg by
Speaker 7: itself you don't think is anything? Sorry, the egg of
Speaker 7: a woman by itself.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's a it's something, but it's not
Speaker 1: a life correct?
Speaker 8: Okay, that's okay.
Speaker 7: So my question is when you talk about abortion, why
Speaker 7: you think you so, Why you support it, Why you
Speaker 7: don't support it? Sorry, why you don't support it? What
Speaker 7: do you use as your evidence? You use scientific evidence?
Speaker 7: Do you talk about the Bible?
Speaker 1: Do you use both mainly self scientific and self evident reason?
Speaker 8: Okay? So are you someone who's a follower of the Bible.
Speaker 1: I am, but that's not relevant to this discussion.
Speaker 2: But we could talk about it if you like.
Speaker 7: I find irrelevant because when I'm going to talk about abortion,
Speaker 7: there's there's quotes in the Bible that I think support
Speaker 7: pro choice in my opinion.
Speaker 8: Bible Exodus.
Speaker 7: Exodus twenty one one twenty two through twenty five, when
Speaker 7: men strive together and hit a pregnant woman so that
Speaker 7: her child come out so miscarriage. But there's no harm
Speaker 7: to the woman. The one who hit her shall surely
Speaker 7: be fined, as the woman's husband shall impose on him,
Speaker 7: and he shall pay as the judgees determined. But if
Speaker 7: there is harm to the woman, you shall pay life
Speaker 7: for life, foot for foot, burned for burn, wound for wound,
Speaker 7: stripe for stripe. So I know that that can be
Speaker 7: interpreted different ways. The Bible is can interpret him anyways,
Speaker 7: different there's different types, different interpretations. But this says if
Speaker 7: a person causes a miscarriage through a woman, that they
Speaker 7: will pay for the abortion. So they they will pay,
Speaker 7: another one will punish them.
Speaker 1: That is not what this law says. But let me
Speaker 1: us ask, are you a Christian?
Speaker 8: Yes?
Speaker 2: Okay? Then continue, So so you believe word of God?
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, good?
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 7: So it says that as the woman's husband, shal impose
Speaker 7: on him and he shall pay as the judges determined.
Speaker 7: So the judge is determined, and it's talking about the husband.
Speaker 7: So therefore it's talking about a person, not God himself,
Speaker 7: not his judgment. So it's saying, if someone has an abortion,
Speaker 7: we have the right to choose what to do to them.
Speaker 2: Right, And you say it was a miscarriage, not an abortion.
Speaker 7: It says when man strive together and hit a pregnant woman,
Speaker 7: so that's causing her to lose the baby. That's outside cause,
Speaker 7: outside cause. Therefore, it could mean abortion, because some people
Speaker 7: find that abbressive abortion is through violence such as hitting,
Speaker 7: because not everyone has access.
Speaker 1: To medical for them to kill the baby.
Speaker 7: It's unclarified, so that I cannot tell you it's unclarified. However,
Speaker 7: what I will say is that it says that it's
Speaker 7: the judges determine, the husband determines, So God's not making
Speaker 7: the choice for us what to do with the person
Speaker 7: who does that to someone's child does that to their
Speaker 7: own child.
Speaker 8: But it does say that if the woman.
Speaker 7: Is home arms her herself, not the child, then they
Speaker 7: are liable by God their life for her life, their
Speaker 7: foot for her foot. So what I'm saying is if
Speaker 7: somebody needs an abortion for health care, Let's say a
Speaker 7: woman baby is not gonna make it, and if the
Speaker 7: baby stays in her womb, she will die, and they
Speaker 7: refuse her an abortion, they refuse her that health care
Speaker 7: and she dies.
Speaker 8: Should the doctor be liable under God?
Speaker 1: First of all this those instances don't happen, So let's
Speaker 1: just be clear. No, See, you guys are so propagandized
Speaker 1: by this that only happens in a very rare case
Speaker 1: of the breaking of the uteriation.
Speaker 8: It does happen.
Speaker 1: But no, but where the baby is already dead, And
Speaker 1: that's the point, is that the baby is already dead.
Speaker 1: That's a removal of a carcass of the baby.
Speaker 8: No, it's not.
Speaker 2: That's incorrect. No it's not. No, it's not.
Speaker 1: A removal of a carcass of a baby. Is not
Speaker 1: an abortion. Those are two technically different things. It is
Speaker 1: not a DNA. It is not a DNA is something
Speaker 1: completely different. But then, if you want to talk about scripture,
Speaker 1: do you think we are bound to all six hundred
Speaker 1: thirteen levitical laws?
Speaker 7: Yes, if you're a follower of the Bible, you cannot
Speaker 7: pick and choose what you follow.
Speaker 1: Oh so you eat kosher? You cannot you eat kosher? No? Well,
Speaker 1: I thought you were bound to all six hundred thirteen laws.
Speaker 8: I'm not perfect. I'm sinner. Everyone hears a sinner.
Speaker 1: But are we bound to it? Do you think Christian
Speaker 1: should eat kosher?
Speaker 8: Choose to follow the Bible? You cannot pick and choose.
Speaker 1: What you of course, but we do believe in a
Speaker 1: New Covenant, Old Covenant. So there's three types of Old
Speaker 1: Testament laws, right, there's ceremonial, there's civil and moral. So
Speaker 1: ceremonial laws we do not honor civil we consider moral.
Speaker 8: We upstate it. Guys, do humans decide what to follow
Speaker 8: in God?
Speaker 1: Because Christ is actual, It's not us, It's not humans.
Speaker 1: So Paul actually authored in the Book of Colossians, that's
Speaker 1: a human right inspired by the Holy Spirit, which wrote
Speaker 1: the Bible. The ordinances of Moses are nailed to the cross. Secondly,
Speaker 1: Christ our Lord, repeated nine out of ten of the
Speaker 1: nine out of ten of the ten commandments, and he said,
Speaker 1: all the laws of the Prophet hang upon the two
Speaker 1: teachings of Bus nineteen and Deuteronomy six. But now I
Speaker 1: equally have to challenge you with scripture in Luke one,
Speaker 1: when Elizabeth came in contact with Mary and both were babies,
Speaker 1: what did it say that John the Baptist did.
Speaker 8: I cannot tell you that he leapt?
Speaker 2: Okay, do non babies leap?
Speaker 8: I don't understand the question I'm.
Speaker 2: Going to be honest with.
Speaker 1: Isn't it a baby then worthy of protection if they're leaping?
Speaker 8: I suppose yes.
Speaker 1: And it was the Greek word breafos, which literally means baby,
Speaker 1: intentionally used throughout hold on and Jeremiah says, I knew
Speaker 1: you before you were in the womb in sa I
Speaker 1: think one thirty nine. It's one of the most intricate
Speaker 1: verses about the detail of our formation process as human beings.
Speaker 1: And finally, because of science, because of biology, we know
Speaker 1: that human life begins at that spark of new DNA,
Speaker 1: and God says do not murder. And it's incumbent on
Speaker 1: Christians that therefore tech that life.
Speaker 7: Okay, So my my biggest question is I'm not saying
Speaker 7: that all abortion is valid. I feel like that's a
Speaker 7: for everyone to decide. But in the most even if
Speaker 7: it's very small percentage, in the very small percentage, that
Speaker 7: a baby is alive, but it has to be aborted
Speaker 7: for the sake of the mother.
Speaker 2: What do you think see section? What is a C section?
Speaker 8: A C section is when you cut them with mother's.
Speaker 1: Wait, why don't they do that instead of the abortion?
Speaker 8: Because it could be equally as dangerous.
Speaker 1: Wrong, it's much safer than an abortion and quicker.
Speaker 8: Do you have evidence?
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, it's it's it's self evident.
Speaker 8: Can you tell me?
Speaker 1: I mean again, I there's plenty of people, he has
Speaker 1: plenty of people that are in medicine can tell you,
Speaker 1: but like to be very clear, think about it. Every
Speaker 1: hospital is equipped to do sea sections. You have to
Speaker 1: go to a specific place for an abortion and a
Speaker 1: C section. One third out of everyone in this audience
Speaker 1: was born by C section. C sections save lives, they
Speaker 1: do not terminate lives. And so when they say we
Speaker 1: must abort the baby, thanks to modern technolog that's actually
Speaker 1: a false choice. You could take the baby out of
Speaker 1: the environment and try to save its life as a
Speaker 1: cesarean section.
Speaker 7: What if when the sea section happens, the baby's not
Speaker 7: able to survive on its own no matter what.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, then that's a separate circumstance. It's like saying,
Speaker 1: if the baby has a heart attack after the sea section,
Speaker 1: that's not a reason not to terminate it. What do
Speaker 1: you mean if you have to give everybody a chance
Speaker 1: at life, you don't kill the baby in the womb
Speaker 1: just because you think that it's going to well, it
Speaker 1: could hurt the mother. You take it out of that environment.
Speaker 7: Okay, But what I'm saying is if they take the
Speaker 7: baby out and they know it's not gonna survive regardless,
Speaker 7: how they.
Speaker 2: Know that post twenty two weeks.
Speaker 1: You don't know that there's miracles that happen every day
Speaker 1: in the neonatal live in the neonatal intensive care unit.
Speaker 1: There's miracles that happen every day in.
Speaker 7: Niic u's And I agree, there's definitely they don't know
Speaker 7: one hundred percent for sure, but there's definitely probability through science,
Speaker 7: through biology that they know, hey, this is more.
Speaker 8: Likely going to happen.
Speaker 1: We don't do morals on probability.
Speaker 7: We don't saying it's morality. I'm saying probability of a baby's.
Speaker 1: Going to survive or doesn't matter. You don't terminate a
Speaker 1: life based on a probability of survival.
Speaker 2: Oh you do. Interesting?
Speaker 1: You guys murder people based on probability of survival.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: So somebody on a ventilator should just be murdered. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's such incredible morality, which we keep someone.
Speaker 8: On a ventilator for the entirenent of everything else.
Speaker 1: Then it depends. There's two different things. There's no more
Speaker 1: and not yet. Once you reach the level of no more,
Speaker 1: human interventions can improve this person's life or bring them
Speaker 1: back to a full life. That is a separate moral
Speaker 1: decision than not yet. When a human being is that
Speaker 1: not yet, which they are in the womb, you must
Speaker 1: do everything you can to make sure they get life.
Speaker 1: When a human being is that no more, it's a
Speaker 1: completely separate moral dimension and decision to make no more
Speaker 1: and not yet are the ways to look at pro
Speaker 1: life DEAs.
Speaker 2: That makes sense.
Speaker 7: Yes, that makes sense. Well, thank you for debating with me,
Speaker 7: Thank you very much. Agree to disagree.
Speaker 9: I have a friend named Thomas Sheety. He is the
Speaker 9: founder of an organization called Atheist for Liberty. He is
Speaker 9: openly conservative, but he's mostly interested in atheists activism and
Speaker 9: normalizing atheism in all sex, including the conservative movement. He
Speaker 9: seems to be under the impression that a lot of concernism,
Speaker 9: including you, are more hesitant to work with atheist organizations.
Speaker 9: Is there any truth to that?
Speaker 2: Yes and no.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're an atheist and you want to
Speaker 1: be part of the conservative movement, go ahead, but you
Speaker 1: must be an honest atheist and acknowledge that morality is
Speaker 1: definitionally subjective. Without a belief in God, you cannot be
Speaker 1: an atheist and believe an objective morality. It is an impossibility,
Speaker 1: and true atheists will acknowledge us at some point, you
Speaker 1: have an ought claim, well, things ought to be a
Speaker 1: certain way. We as Christians are we that believe in
Speaker 1: the divine We have is claims that there murder is wrong,
Speaker 1: whereas an atheist will say, well, murder ought to be wrong,
Speaker 1: because you can't have an objective definition if there is
Speaker 1: not a divine eternal power over you. So look, if
Speaker 1: an atheist wants to fight alongside of us to end
Speaker 1: abortion or to try and end the ma s occurring
Speaker 1: of our kids, that's called gender affirming care. And or
Speaker 1: if an atheist wants to march alongside of us to
Speaker 1: say no men in female sports, they're more than welcome
Speaker 1: to be able to do that. But atheist for liberty
Speaker 1: is an interesting phrase because I don't believe you can
Speaker 1: have liberty without God, because liberty is not man's idea,
Speaker 1: it is God's idea. That's just my own personal belief,
Speaker 1: and it's also the belief of everything that built this nation.
Speaker 1: But yes, I'm I know a lot of good atheists.
Speaker 1: The question, though, is how do you know they're good.
Speaker 1: It's because you're appealing to a moral authority above just
Speaker 1: the secular material realm, one that is transcendent.
Speaker 2: We would believe given by God.
Speaker 9: Well, I don't believe in objective morality. I do know
Speaker 9: there are plenty of atheists who are moral objectivist or.
Speaker 1: Are you an atheist? Sorry interrupt, but oh yeah, yeah, okay, cool? Please,
Speaker 1: So let me just can I ask you a question?
Speaker 1: And I don't mean I know this is your first
Speaker 1: time at the mic, so I'm just going to try
Speaker 1: to be tender.
Speaker 2: In doing this.
Speaker 1: I appreciate So you don't believe an objective of morality, right,
Speaker 1: I personally don't. Okay, was the Holocaust objectively wrong?
Speaker 2: Objectively no?
Speaker 9: Would have been better than how because most people won't
Speaker 9: want that to happen.
Speaker 1: So that's where that's where we are on different planets,
Speaker 1: and that's okay. I'm not trying to make fun of you.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be graceful in the way that we're
Speaker 1: going about this. Do you think Hitler was objectively evil?
Speaker 2: No, because it's subjective.
Speaker 1: But I just hope all of you guys understand he's
Speaker 1: being an honest atheist to your credit, because as an atheist,
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to say anything is objectively right or wrong.
Speaker 1: I come from a worldview that when you butcher six
Speaker 1: million people that is objectively wrong, no matter what. And
Speaker 1: it's very important. It's a very important truth claim because
Speaker 1: when you do not have objective truth anchoring your society,
Speaker 1: then it becomes a power struggle. If you do not
Speaker 1: have truth, then power will reign. Whether you get the
Speaker 1: most amount of power then ends up having the most
Speaker 1: amount of say over society. We believe what is objectively right, true, good,
Speaker 1: and beautiful should be transcendent over society.
Speaker 9: Your thoughts, So, do you believe objective moralesy specifically comes
Speaker 9: from the Bible?
Speaker 2: Yes and no.
Speaker 1: It's also it's in nature, and the Bible explains nature.
Speaker 1: So objective morality can be discovered in many different cultures
Speaker 1: and societies, pointing towards what we believe is the ultimate
Speaker 1: objective truth.
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ C. S.
Speaker 1: Lewis explained this the best in his book Abolition of Man,
Speaker 1: which is that almost every religion talks about a certain
Speaker 1: way to live, a dow or a path that we
Speaker 1: should be on. And so more more simply than just
Speaker 1: the Bible, we believe in what the founders believed, which
Speaker 1: is an ethical monotheism, that there is one God, he
Speaker 1: has a general way that he wants you to live.
Speaker 1: For example, murdering is bad, kidnapping is wrong, defense of
Speaker 1: the innocent, and we should do our best to try
Speaker 1: to live alongside of that path.
Speaker 9: Okay, well, I think those are very interesting examples. You
Speaker 9: bring up the Founders, you bring up Hitler. But Hitler
Speaker 9: was his help proclaim Catholic, and he called Nazism and
Speaker 9: the Christian movements.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would be careful saying that he was. He
Speaker 2: was not. That's okay, you.
Speaker 9: Call himself a Catholic, he said, he's as Ely said
Speaker 9: in nineteen twenty seven, our movement as Christian.
Speaker 2: They had on the.
Speaker 9: Belt buckles God on our side. Yet they then swear
Speaker 9: to the Almighty God. Atheists were not trusted to be
Speaker 9: in the SS.
Speaker 1: Even if I grant you that, despite the fact that
Speaker 1: he killed a lot of pastors and priests, and there
Speaker 1: of course you can pervert things in the name of God,
Speaker 1: no one denounces that. Just as a side note, though
Speaker 1: far more people died under the banner of atheism than
Speaker 1: Christianity in the twentieth century. Mao was an atheist, Stalin
Speaker 1: was an atheist. Paul Pott was an atheist. Believing in
Speaker 1: no God actually led to the destruction, the murder of
Speaker 1: well over one hundred million people.
Speaker 2: And that's fine.
Speaker 1: So again, if atheists want to come alongside us as
Speaker 1: conservatives and fight for what is good, that is great.
Speaker 1: But I will never acknowledge that atheists can tell me
Speaker 1: what is objectively good. They can only give me a preference.
Speaker 1: They cannot tell me what is right, and preferences eventually
Speaker 1: will lead you towards moral and societal decline.
Speaker 9: Okay, So I think he just listed a bunch of communists,
Speaker 9: and it's worth acknowledging the vast enjoy of atheists are
Speaker 9: not communists, just like the vast majority of Christians are
Speaker 9: not theocrats who don't support the divine right. It's also
Speaker 9: worth acknowledging that the founders who were actually inspired by
Speaker 9: Enlightenment values, not by the Bible. America's found is a
Speaker 9: second nation. We were the first quote unquote gallis constitution.
Speaker 1: Yeah again, I've done this so many times, so I
Speaker 1: don't know if we want to waste our time doing this.
Speaker 1: But fifty five out of fifty six of the signers
Speaker 1: of the declaration were Bible believing church attending Christians. Nine
Speaker 1: out of thirteen of the states of the time and
Speaker 1: ratification require a declaration of faith in order for you
Speaker 1: to serve in the states we were. Our birth certificate,
Speaker 1: which is the Mayflower Compact, said explicitly we are here
Speaker 1: to spread Christianity throughout the land. It was the first
Speaker 1: Great Revival that led to the American Revolution of Jonathan
Speaker 1: Words and Jonathan Mayhew and George Whitfield that preached all
Speaker 1: across the Eastern seaboard. John Adam seamlessly said, the Constitution
Speaker 1: is written solely for a moral and religious people. It's
Speaker 1: wholly inadequate for the people of any other. We were
Speaker 1: a Christian nation that was able to embrace the idea
Speaker 1: of a free society. God has mentioned four times in
Speaker 1: the Declaration of Independence. Not only that, Jesus Christ is
Speaker 1: mentioned in the Declaration Deependence where it says we appeal
Speaker 1: to the divine Judge of the Universe, which of course
Speaker 1: is a direct appeal to Jesus in the Book of Revelation. Yes,
Speaker 1: there were rationalist Enlightenment values that informed some of the founders,
Speaker 1: but it irrefutably was a Christian nation. Maryland was Catholic,
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania was Quaker. Almost every state had their own specific
Speaker 1: type of Christian preference. The idea of an atheist or
Speaker 1: not believing in any god, was an idea that was
Speaker 1: so foreign to the founders. Even Thomas Jefferson, the great deist,
Speaker 1: he revered the Bible, albeit with you know, some significant edits. However,
Speaker 1: the idea of believing in no cosmological or no axiological
Speaker 1: or no teleological or no optological being would be a
Speaker 1: concept that our founding fathers and not just find form,
Speaker 1: They would find it extraordinarily dangerous. Why because the French
Speaker 1: Revolution was happening simultaneously as the American Revolution, which was
Speaker 1: explicitly atheist. They actually recreated their own gods and had
Speaker 1: they said, we are going to appeal to what the
Speaker 1: God of reason. And this is my final contention, is
Speaker 1: that when I talked to atheists, the French rebel is
Speaker 1: a great example. They literally tried to change the Gregorian
Speaker 1: calendar to a ten day week. They went and imprisoned
Speaker 1: people of faith, they put priests in jail, all these
Speaker 1: different sorts of things, and they said, we are going
Speaker 1: to appeal to the God of reason. Well, how did
Speaker 1: that work out? It worked out with the guillotine and
Speaker 1: the slaughter of tens of thousands of people. The French
Speaker 1: Revolution was one of the greatest disasters in human recorded history.
Speaker 1: Contrast that with the American Revolution. Why did the American
Speaker 1: Revolution create the greatest nation ever to exist in the
Speaker 1: history of the world and the French Revolution resulted in
Speaker 1: a lot of blood and even the killing of their
Speaker 1: own once leader, Maximilian Robespierre. It's because we were anchored
Speaker 1: on Christian ideas. If you are not anchored on Christian ideas,
Speaker 1: then don't be surprised and all of a sudden there
Speaker 1: is no fruit to the harvest that you're trying to create.
Speaker 10: I'm an atheist, so I disagree with your religious claims.
Speaker 2: Do you believe in absolute truth?
Speaker 10: I'm not sure you can provide me this positive evidence
Speaker 10: that there is absolute truth. So the answer would be,
Speaker 10: I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: Are you absolutely not sure?
Speaker 10: I'm not sure if I'm absolutely not sure. See, this
Speaker 10: works if you say no, But it doesn't work if
Speaker 10: you bought them out in I don't know question right, No, But.
Speaker 1: Saying you're not sure, you are not even sure if
Speaker 1: you're not shirt, So at some point you're just always
Speaker 1: have to make a truth claim.
Speaker 10: Yet, no, you can just be not sure about everything
Speaker 10: all the way down. I don't see why you can't.
Speaker 10: And my answer would be, I think truth is instrumentalist
Speaker 10: in theory. I think it's the thing we choose pragmatically
Speaker 10: for the purposes of discussion. I think you can say, yeah,
Speaker 10: I think truth exists pragmatically. Regardless of that, I don't
Speaker 10: see how you get to God.
Speaker 2: Are you alive?
Speaker 10: Huh?
Speaker 2: Are you alive?
Speaker 10: I think I'm alive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're life.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Is the sun? Is the sun shining?
Speaker 10: I think it's shining.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 10: From my frame of reference, it is shining. Notice Notice
Speaker 10: how none of this I mean, so, notice how you've
Speaker 10: gotten no steps closer to proving God.
Speaker 2: No, I'm asking questions. Man, okay, yeah, but are you
Speaker 2: sure we did it?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 2: Are you sure?
Speaker 10: I'm sure in the practice God, I'm I'm sure in
Speaker 10: the pragmatic instrument Are you that we did it in
Speaker 10: the pragmatic instrumental as sense, Absolutely sure. I see truth
Speaker 10: as a utility.
Speaker 2: So there is a truth that's absolute.
Speaker 10: No, it's it's instrumentally you just it was absolutely No,
Speaker 10: absolutely sure in the instrumentalist sense of the word truth.
Speaker 10: This is a philosophical tradition that dates back hundreds of
Speaker 10: years instrumentalism.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which, of course we don't subscribe to obviously. So
Speaker 1: do you believe that murder is objectively wrong.
Speaker 10: Epistemologically objective or ontologically objective?
Speaker 2: Morally?
Speaker 10: See you didn't answer the question.
Speaker 1: But both both epistemologically and ontologically. But for the purpose
Speaker 1: of discussion from.
Speaker 10: Okay, so by what you mean? No, I don't think
Speaker 10: it's objective.
Speaker 1: Was Hitler a bad person objectively?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 10: If you mean by by the way, by the way,
Speaker 10: wait wait wait wait wait.
Speaker 1: No, but he's being honest at its core, atheists cannot.
Speaker 10: Say can I make the claim?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 10: Notice who here is relying on feelings and knocked facts.
Speaker 10: Your argument is I feel that Hitler was objective?
Speaker 2: No I know?
Speaker 10: No, no, you feel that way? Can you provide me
Speaker 10: evidence of how you know? Can you provide me evidence
Speaker 10: that morality is objective?
Speaker 1: No? Of course I can, because well, first of all,
Speaker 1: morality is both reason and revelation, and it's built within
Speaker 1: to us that murder is wrong.
Speaker 10: Yeah, okay, where's your evidence of that? Is that a
Speaker 10: that's a claim, not evidence. That's a claim.
Speaker 1: Okay, we could, we could spend multiple hours, but in
Speaker 1: the Western tradition.
Speaker 10: So you notice how you're saying by tradition, by by
Speaker 10: on the standards. But I just want all claims of
Speaker 10: non truth value hold on.
Speaker 2: Yes they are.
Speaker 1: We believe that truth was revealed to us.
Speaker 10: We believe claim.
Speaker 1: But by God, hold on, but let me let me
Speaker 1: we can get there. You can keep on interrupting us. Okay,
Speaker 1: but let me prove to you how silly your viewpoint
Speaker 1: is and how self evidently wrong? Is it objectively wrong
Speaker 1: to kids?
Speaker 10: When you say objective? What I mean by objective? Once again?
Speaker 10: Once again? Can I you and I just notice how
Speaker 10: you still haven't given me dispositive evidence and reality's objective.
Speaker 10: You're merely saying my answer is I feel that way.
Speaker 10: I feel that way.
Speaker 2: No, it's objective.
Speaker 1: It's objectively wrong to the laws of nature of nature,
Speaker 1: the self evident nature of existence.
Speaker 10: Where's your proof that itself? Show me the logical proof
Speaker 10: that it'sself evidence?
Speaker 1: Okay, it's it's in your reason that God gave you
Speaker 1: in the consciousness.
Speaker 10: To prove that God gave it to me.
Speaker 1: Okay, but again, your existence is proof of that. You're
Speaker 1: again we can get back down to the first principles
Speaker 1: of this.
Speaker 10: But again but you don't want to because you know
Speaker 10: it doesn't look good. No, it looks actually really good
Speaker 10: because it's built within evidence, built within.
Speaker 2: Again, interrupting does not make you right.
Speaker 10: So you keep repeating your point.
Speaker 1: No I don't, So let me ask you a question
Speaker 1: in closing. Since you can't objectively say that Hitler was
Speaker 1: bad or that child is wrong, So how did the
Speaker 1: universe come into an existence? I don't know, okay, but
Speaker 1: science says that it was a big bang or a
Speaker 1: beginning point, right, okay, So using logic, which you believe.
Speaker 10: This is the colomn cosmological home on.
Speaker 1: Again, you keep interrupting using using logic, If space, time,
Speaker 1: and matter, okay, at a starting point, then logically shouldn't
Speaker 1: something outside of space, time, and matter have started those things?
Speaker 10: How do you know that cause is personal? How do
Speaker 10: you know that cause is worth praying to anything?
Speaker 2: That's not the question?
Speaker 10: Wait, okay, sure there is a cause? Oh that causes God?
Speaker 10: Because it's outside of space. You believe in different things
Speaker 10: about God. You think that God is personal.
Speaker 2: That's not what we're debating.
Speaker 10: We're arguing about God religion.
Speaker 2: Hold on, no, no, we're not debating. We're debating whether or not
Speaker 2: there's a God or not.
Speaker 10: No, the Christian God. I said religion that you're a
Speaker 10: religious person. You said, Christian in nature, you follow religious tradition.
Speaker 2: Calm down, you said you're an atheist.
Speaker 10: We know God, God historically a quitness, even defines it
Speaker 10: this way, is a personal God. You still haven't gotten
Speaker 10: to me to prove that it's personal. I'm happy to
Speaker 10: get to that. Okay, then get to it.
Speaker 1: Look, here's here's what I find with atheists. They don't
Speaker 1: want to worship or acknowledge God because many atheists think
Speaker 1: they are God. And you and body that really well.
Speaker 10: I didn't know you were a mind reader, Charlie. This
Speaker 10: is news to me.
Speaker 1: It's not a mind reader. I can tell by your behavior.
Speaker 2: I will say this.
Speaker 1: I hope that you give your life to Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: I hope you do.
Speaker 10: I hope you can. I hope you can find.
Speaker 1: You know, what's interesting, there is evidence, there is evidence
Speaker 1: that Jesus hold on last thing, do you believe Jesus
Speaker 1: Christ was a real historical figure?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Do you believe that the Gospels are historically accurate and
Speaker 1: we improve them with archaeological evidence?
Speaker 10: Some parts are some parts are Some parts are metaphors,
Speaker 10: some parts are allegory, some parts are literal. It depends.
Speaker 10: Some parts are attempts at history. Which book or gospel?
Speaker 1: Using rational analysis? Why would the disciples lie about the
Speaker 1: resurrection of Christ?
Speaker 10: Okay, we can talk about this people. They can be
Speaker 10: mistaken mistakenly wrong about it.
Speaker 1: So they would be mistakenly wrong up to the point
Speaker 1: where they get marty.
Speaker 10: The whole point, the whole point of being mistakingly wrong
Speaker 10: about something.
Speaker 2: Is you believe it's true all the way up to
Speaker 2: the point of death.
Speaker 10: The whole point of being mistakenly wrong about something.
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure I understand your position.
Speaker 1: Your position is that the twelve disciples who knew Christ best,
Speaker 1: saw him die, and then they all believe the mistaken
Speaker 1: conspiracy for the rest of their life. Yes, all of
Speaker 1: them together as a conspiracy.
Speaker 10: Yes, yes, there is no first tund account from the
Speaker 10: five hundred Gospels are all written by these people. People
Speaker 10: have died for crazy claims in the past that we
Speaker 10: know aren't true. These are all fast about this as
Speaker 10: not correct.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: One of the Gospels was written by one of his
Speaker 1: closest associates, Matthew.
Speaker 2: The next collector.
Speaker 1: Luke was a fact fighter that was hired.
Speaker 10: I didn't say the Gospels were written by them. I
Speaker 10: said there's no evidence from the five hundred that he
Speaker 10: appeared to there's no first hand accounts.
Speaker 2: Again, that's not correct. Thank you for your time. We'll
Speaker 2: get to next.
Speaker 10: Okay, you can, you can.
Speaker 2: We will pray for you. Thank you. Be respectful, guys,
Speaker 2: you can do what he wants. Oh can I start now.
Speaker 2: Nice to meet you, Charlie. I'm a big fan. I
Speaker 2: think you're right beautiful man. I admire you physically. But
Speaker 2: uh no, no homo, no homo, no homo. I did
Speaker 2: have a question. Something I don't find very interesting about you.
Speaker 2: Something I find kind repulsive is that I believe you
Speaker 2: said that the Civil Rights Act was bad and that
Speaker 2: we shouldn't have that. Okay, well, thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: I don't like you as much as Charlie though. First,
Speaker 2: So what's your name? Oh? Oh, sorry, I don't want
Speaker 2: to be like filmed and stuff too. I'm anonymous number
Speaker 2: one anonymous guy. Okay, well, hello, nice to meet you, anonymous,
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. Nice to meet you too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe in part of the essence of the
Speaker 1: Civil Rights Act went went too way too far, way
Speaker 1: too wide.
Speaker 2: Oh, how they go too far? Well?
Speaker 1: For example, it created an entire civil rights leviathan that
Speaker 1: gave us affirmative.
Speaker 2: Action civil rights leviathan. What do you mean? Yes?
Speaker 1: So if you can let me finish three words in sorry.
Speaker 1: It allowed the Department of Justice to go after people
Speaker 1: that have different skin color aka white people, and prevent
Speaker 1: them from getting jobs in college admissions.
Speaker 2: You have a job. I'm sorry, you have a job. No,
Speaker 2: you're you're right, I do right.
Speaker 1: But just until Trump came around, until these Supreme Court decisions,
Speaker 1: thanks to the Civil Rights Act, if you have white
Speaker 1: skin color, it's much harder to get into a college
Speaker 1: than if someone has black skin color, much harder. You
Speaker 1: have to have higher test scores. It's a much harder pool,
Speaker 1: largely thanks to the precedent set by the Civil Rights Act.
Speaker 1: Not to mention all the trans stuff that we're seeing,
Speaker 1: We're seeing men be able to win trophies and medals
Speaker 1: from women across the country, and they use the Civil
Speaker 1: Rights Act to justify Okay.
Speaker 2: I think I see where you're coming from. So you
Speaker 2: think that it's harder for white people because of black
Speaker 2: people they have, they can have lower text scores. Again,
Speaker 2: and it's not what I think that's what you're saying. Okay,
Speaker 2: all right, well, well I guess well I would say too.
Speaker 2: I think perhaps you're familiar with the term equity, right,
Speaker 2: where different people have different circumstances. It's I reject. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 2: whether you rejected or not, I think it's a prescient,
Speaker 2: uh concept in this argument, because what you have to
Speaker 2: understand is that when you're, for example, you're born in
Speaker 2: like a black nambor, you're born like O block or
Speaker 2: something like a very very like is oh well, if
Speaker 2: you're if you're if you're born there, if you're born
Speaker 2: in a very poor area like that, but like very
Speaker 2: lot opportunity, very very poor schools of very low ratings
Speaker 2: with average test scores much lower. When you're in that environment,
Speaker 2: you have the whole system up against you, right. So
Speaker 2: it so when you say in that cop circumstance, when
Speaker 2: you're facing the whole I guess Leviathan of systemic racism
Speaker 2: sold you say that. Sorry, let me discrudge it when
Speaker 2: you say it's Fan two for example, lower at the
Speaker 2: standard because knowing that their circumstances were like that perhaps
Speaker 2: based on what they had was productive to them, they
Speaker 2: had the correct amount of merit to get into a school. Okay,
Speaker 2: so are you a student here? I'm guessing you oh yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm saying are you pretty good student?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say a good student. I have a
Speaker 2: pretty high GP. Okay, can you give your GP to
Speaker 2: her because she's a woman of color? Please? Oh you
Speaker 2: wan to give you a? I mean what would you
Speaker 2: be willing to do that? I'm not sure. Yeah, sure
Speaker 2: you could be good? You cool with that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I get what you mean. I want you tell her
Speaker 1: or like by force, so swapping. Let me tell what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do by force, white man. Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take your g P A. I'm gonna give it to
Speaker 1: a woman of color. You're cool with that?
Speaker 9: Uh?
Speaker 2: I mean yeah? I can just work back up like
Speaker 2: I No, there's no working back up. I can pull
Speaker 2: myself up on my bootstown. No, there's no working back up.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't work back that low point of conservatism.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna keep on taking it from you
Speaker 1: because that's equity, and you're cool with that.
Speaker 2: What does that? That's just equity in practice isn't taken.
Speaker 2: Equity is giving applying the equal standard.
Speaker 1: If you give, how do you get you must take?
Speaker 1: And then you get wait, what do you mean that
Speaker 1: which is given must first be taken?
Speaker 2: Well, what's being taken?
Speaker 1: When this case grades from you to grades to her.
Speaker 2: That no one's taking my grades? Though, that's not what
Speaker 2: that's not what a firm of it's hold on someone
Speaker 2: takes your grades. Hold on a second.
Speaker 1: If you only have so many you only have so
Speaker 1: many positions at University of South Florida to come in, right,
Speaker 1: there's there's a there's a there's a set number. Let's
Speaker 1: say it's twenty thousand people, okay, And we're gonna say
Speaker 1: we're gonna lower the test standards so that somebody that's
Speaker 1: a woman of color can come in, and therefore it's
Speaker 1: harder for you. So it's a higher bar for you,
Speaker 1: lower bar for them. Definitionally, that's a redistribution of test
Speaker 1: scores for somebody else, just by the definition.
Speaker 2: And you're okay with that? Uh, well, I guess I
Speaker 2: guess I would ask then if we were to do
Speaker 2: what you're doing, I guess that's what's happening Onundre Trump right, Well, no,
Speaker 2: it's actually been happen the last forty years. Okay, actually, yeah, whatever. Okay,
Speaker 2: So when you say that, if you do that, then
Speaker 2: well black of people aren't again in the school, and
Speaker 2: then they won't be able to uplift themselves. They won't
Speaker 2: be to have prosperous families, they won't be able to
Speaker 2: you know, equalize the economic status because you need to
Speaker 2: give them a little jump starck. You know you have
Speaker 2: a car, right, how is that? How is that?
Speaker 8: Well?
Speaker 2: Now yeah, no, no, no, no, no, it's good, but no,
Speaker 2: how is that worth?
Speaker 1: The last forty years we've had robuster firm in action. Oh,
Speaker 1: we've got hiring practices. Has it made Black America more successful?
Speaker 2: I can answer that easily. It's because it Oh sorry,
Speaker 2: it's because sorry what am I? What am I going forward?
Speaker 2: I don't know. You're a funny guy. So what happened
Speaker 2: is even after the civil rights side, you're under you
Speaker 2: know what I believe I mean the term is massive resistance.
Speaker 2: It was a movement in UH after the Bridasus wth
Speaker 2: education in Virginia were essentially the legislature which was still
Speaker 2: white supremacist, which is still extremely racist. They decided that. No,
Speaker 2: we're gonna do everything that feasibly possible within our means
Speaker 2: to stop black people from going to white schools. You
Speaker 2: even see this in uh was I believe it's a
Speaker 2: little rock nine right. Even after it was legalized at
Speaker 2: the state level, white supremacist mobs still mobilized to prevent it.
Speaker 2: So even if the facto it's God did it still exists.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a very simple question. Yeah from
Speaker 1: you keep on throwing around, got you? What is racism?
Speaker 2: Is racism? That's a very complicated question. But no, it's not.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a simple answer, and then there's the
Speaker 2: highly theoretical answer.
Speaker 8: Me simple.
Speaker 2: The simple answer, well, essentially be because because we have
Speaker 2: like different skin colors, that he's treated a different way
Speaker 2: than me, he has like a different bringing to me. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: but what is different? Oh, it's discrimination based on the colors,
Speaker 2: based on the car, the skin. You got it, thank you.
Speaker 2: So isn't it racist?
Speaker 1: Then to then penalize white people to come into college
Speaker 1: or to get jobs based on the color of their skin,
Speaker 1: wouldn't that be racist? So you're arguing for a very
Speaker 1: racist policy, which is that we should actively discriminate against
Speaker 1: people based on the color of their skin, which is
Speaker 1: affirmative action and DEI in practice.
Speaker 2: I just don't. I just disagree with the premise that
Speaker 2: you can do like anti white racism because uh because wait,
Speaker 2: can you be racist against white people? No? Bro, I'm
Speaker 2: a cracker.
Speaker 8: Bro?
Speaker 2: What now you can't be racist?
Speaker 8: Brother?
Speaker 6: There's subny crackers here right, there's their bright there's a clip.
Speaker 6: Well what do you get that you could do political
Speaker 6: violence to be bro? Like, why you're saying that to me?
Speaker 6: You're making me scared?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 2: Ohky, So let me tell you what we believe.
Speaker 1: Because you tell us what you believe, your worldview is
Speaker 1: indistinguishable from the KKK that you want. That you want
Speaker 1: to organize the world based on skin color.
Speaker 2: We want to organize the world based.
Speaker 1: On merit and character, based on how hard you work,
Speaker 1: what you bring to the table. I believe it's destructive
Speaker 1: and wrong to say that people are gonna be organized
Speaker 1: or have their future set based on the color of
Speaker 1: their skin. I think it's tribalistic. I think it is divisive,
Speaker 1: and I think it hurts the excellence of a country.
Speaker 1: You asked a question, well, how are we gonna help
Speaker 1: other communities? You know how you help other communities stop
Speaker 1: pandering to them and start treating them like individuals made
Speaker 1: in the image of God, not tribes to be organized
Speaker 1: for political purposes.
Speaker 2: Okay, So do you think like Trump is a now
Speaker 2: not as president, now that racism is gone now because
Speaker 2: Jump is back, we're no longer pandering, right, do you
Speaker 2: think that the conditions of a of black people of
Speaker 2: like do you think, oh, block, is it gonna become
Speaker 2: like how much a nice place? Do you think that?
Speaker 2: Do you think that these very downturned sort of a
Speaker 2: black neighborhoods that have been sort of left beyond do
Speaker 2: you think they're gonna become revitalized now? Is that what
Speaker 2: you think is gonna happen? Yeah, they'll do better, for sure.
Speaker 2: You think they do better now we've stopped helping them,
Speaker 2: they could do better.
Speaker 9: Well.
Speaker 2: See, that's an interesting thing because it seems like contre
Speaker 2: dictory that may just do basic logic.
Speaker 1: Well, Actually, Black Americans under Donald Trump in the first
Speaker 1: term saw the greatest economic renaissance that they saw since
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties. Do you want to think Obama race is
Speaker 1: lowest unemployment, revitalization, amazing investment in their communities, opportunity zones.
Speaker 2: I mean that's when we had the firm of action
Speaker 2: and they went to be bad.
Speaker 1: Well again, we actually get rid of firm of action
Speaker 1: now now, but I'm talking about before. Those are unrelated
Speaker 1: things though, just you know.
Speaker 2: You think that they don't see them. I'm related to me. Well,
Speaker 2: firm action is addressing racism. Theyve action is looking so
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm know you are. That's okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Affirmative action is largely federal government hiring practices and the
Speaker 1: adjacent institutions. I think that all communities will do even
Speaker 1: better when we stop living under the soft bigotry of
Speaker 1: low expectations. Inherent in your argument is that we have
Speaker 1: to pander to certain communities based on the call of
Speaker 1: their skin because they can't do as well as white people.
Speaker 2: I reject the premise.
Speaker 1: I think that we should try to say I don't
Speaker 1: care about the call your skin, I care about what
Speaker 1: you bring to the table, and stop pandering the people
Speaker 1: based on special criteria points and acceptance the college saying
Speaker 1: that we're going to make it easier for one group
Speaker 1: and harder for another group.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's that, but it's understanding. Okay, but
Speaker 2: do you think that based on that.
Speaker 1: Do you think that we should have black only dormitories
Speaker 1: in America? No?
Speaker 2: Why would I want that?
Speaker 1: Okay, well, there's hundreds of schools that have those actually, and.
Speaker 2: Black only, like they're not white people are not allowed.
Speaker 1: You, white people are not allowed to white where not
Speaker 1: allowedrect we have black only graduation ceremonies across the country.
Speaker 2: Well, those are from a well I believe those are
Speaker 2: most likely like eight pc us right, like.
Speaker 1: The University of Michigan has, Harvard has one. So we're
Speaker 1: agreeing that that is wrong. That is the first's extension
Speaker 1: of hype hyper race obsession. So you have to you
Speaker 1: could you could choose one or the other. You can
Speaker 1: be race obsessed or merit obsessed. We as conservatives, decide
Speaker 1: to be merit obsessed to build a country base on
Speaker 1: how hard you work and what you're able to deliver.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well the uh so wait here, just I wasn't
Speaker 2: final point? Yeah, final point? I sure, Okay, sure, this
Speaker 2: thing's a little close. Oh I'm sorry, I don't mean
Speaker 2: to offend your wonderful set up here. Uh yeah, so
Speaker 2: I guess I'll just restate my point that, Uh, I
Speaker 2: don't believe you mentioned like all black dormitories, right, Uh,
Speaker 2: I mean, I I don't really comment on that. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's real. To me, that sounds fake.
Speaker 2: But I'll give you the benefit of doubt here. It's
Speaker 2: very real, okay, But I just think it's very irrelevant,
Speaker 2: kind of like aesthetic focus. Think it doesn't really affect
Speaker 2: the material conditions of like black if.
Speaker 1: You if you heard there were white only dormitories, there'd
Speaker 1: be marching in the streets.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 2: Oh well, because because okay, I can I get the difference.
Speaker 2: The difference is like, for example, I'll go back to segregation,
Speaker 2: the all white dormitory was nicest and all black one was.
Speaker 2: So if that's the if that's if that was brought back, Okay,
Speaker 2: if we were doing all white dormitory and I'm.
Speaker 1: Not recommending I think actually segregation is wrong and evil,
Speaker 1: and we're heading until Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: We were heading in that direction until But like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'll go back because I did, like I let slip by.
Speaker 2: But you mentioned that like in the early years of
Speaker 2: the dollch On presidency, right, that the conditions, the employment
Speaker 2: and stuff were going up for black people. What I
Speaker 2: would say is the economy works up slow works at
Speaker 2: like a time dilation for the policies initially enacted so well,
Speaker 2: I would I would probably assume, based on what you
Speaker 2: said to me, is that it was the Albama era
Speaker 2: policies that that actually led to that, not the Trump policies,
Speaker 2: because stuff like tax cuts doesn't really help.
Speaker 1: In a year from now, we're gonna have the greatest
Speaker 1: economy ever. They're gonna say.
Speaker 2: It's all bid them, it's all bid them. Well, I mean,
Speaker 2: if we I don't think that's gonna happen at person.
Speaker 2: I think the colomy is going this with what all
Speaker 2: Elon Musk is doing. But if that, if that was
Speaker 2: to happen, I mean, I guess my whole world view.
Speaker 2: But I'm pretty sorry about what about Elon? What Elon's doing? Bothers?
Speaker 2: You do you do you not want to see the
Speaker 2: government efficient? The government is efficient. He's just firing everybody. Looks,
Speaker 2: look he did the toilet bro y'all see what happened
Speaker 2: towilet brats races us. Now it is the Nazi haven.
Speaker 2: It went from like a pretty pretty accepting place to
Speaker 2: like what like we're like the average blue check mark,
Speaker 2: I saying Hail Hilther Like Elon Musk himself has replied
Speaker 2: to like, well, he did the Nazi salute, Like we're
Speaker 2: not gonna forget about that, are we?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 2: He did? Yeah, y'all, y'all see that clip. Bro y'all
Speaker 2: see when he did that? All right?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 2: Okay, thank And by the way, I just want to
Speaker 2: thank you for something. You're welcome. Well, I want to
Speaker 2: thank you. Do I get do I get a part
Speaker 2: of like the TikTok revenue gonna get from this?
Speaker 1: I want I want to thank you. I want to
Speaker 1: thank you for something. Oh yeah, you you are a
Speaker 1: perfect reminder why we want to November. So thank you
Speaker 1: for that.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. Thank you.
Speaker 1: So you would say I'm a misinformation machine. That's fine, Yeah, fine,
Speaker 1: you're a teacher.
Speaker 2: Yes. What is a woman? What is a woman?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Buddy?
Speaker 8: All right?
Speaker 11: So we define gender as a set of preferences that
Speaker 11: you have, excuse me, gender. Gender is a set of
Speaker 11: preference we have. Woh. Woman is a social construct that
Speaker 11: we've agreed upon. Typically, we imagine womanhood as makeup or
Speaker 11: whatever it is. There is a difference between the word
Speaker 11: woman and being a biological female. Woman is a social
Speaker 11: construct that we use. Listen for a second. I'm telling
Speaker 11: you what it means. Woman is a social construct. We
Speaker 11: agree on these set of preferences. If I tell you
Speaker 11: that I'm a man, is because I want you to
Speaker 11: know that I like these set of preferences. If I
Speaker 11: tell you I'm a woman, is because I want you
Speaker 11: to know that I agree with these set of preferences.
Speaker 11: Can men give birth? Can men?
Speaker 2: Or can males?
Speaker 11: Because males can't these Listen for a second. If you listen,
Speaker 11: it's your bio professors, you'd understand there's difference between biology
Speaker 11: and what we think.
Speaker 1: So I want to thank you for proving a great point. Well,
Speaker 1: you are why we should eliminate the Department of Education.
Speaker 2: Thank you love it.
Speaker 12: I love you are here making a Trumps and mind
Speaker 12: the pro Trump speech for you.
Speaker 2: This has nothing to do with genders. Well, it has
Speaker 2: a lot of children. I'll talk about it here. Tell
Speaker 2: me how much you love you. Have a great day,
Speaker 2: God bless you. I'll pray for you.
Speaker 13: Oh my goodness, that will help a lot.
Speaker 9: Prayer.
Speaker 2: Prayer is a powerful thing, Yes it is.
Speaker 10: It has done horrendous things to this plant.
Speaker 2: Prayer has done horrendous things, and this.
Speaker 12: Plant has through Christianity and through a lot of other religions,
Speaker 12: marrow minded religions have caused a lot of pain and suffering.
Speaker 1: On this plend More people have died over the last
Speaker 1: one hundred years under the guise of Marxism and statism
Speaker 1: than any other ideology, not even close.
Speaker 6: More people.
Speaker 1: One hundred million people died under communism in the last
Speaker 1: hundred years. One hundred million, Yeah, sixty and moles China
Speaker 1: thirty in Stalin's Russia to pol Pot's Cambodia, at least
Speaker 1: two hundred thousand in Cuba.
Speaker 2: I can keep doing.
Speaker 12: I'm not teaching communism here.
Speaker 1: No, but I'm saying nothing about children.
Speaker 13: You're telling me how much you support Trump and how
Speaker 13: much I'll.
Speaker 2: Talk about whatever you want to talk about.
Speaker 13: It's your conversation.
Speaker 2: What do you believe?
Speaker 12: I believe that there's a remedy for situations and not
Speaker 12: a political battle. I believe that if we work together
Speaker 12: and open our minds instead of militarizing ourselves, we could
Speaker 12: come up with a solution.
Speaker 2: Isn't talking how we come to solutions, Sure.
Speaker 12: But getting mad and making political stances on who you
Speaker 12: love and what the president's doing is so great and
Speaker 12: what the PM is doing.
Speaker 13: So that is not a conversation, it's a statement.
Speaker 1: We'll have a conversation.
Speaker 13: Maybe we could have a conversation in the history building
Speaker 13: sometimes about what. Maybe we could have a conversation in
Speaker 13: the history.
Speaker 2: Building sometimes, Yes, history conversation.
Speaker 1: History will tell us that when government grows too big, people.
Speaker 2: Suffer and die.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what the history building should tell you. History
Speaker 1: will also tell us we live in the greatest country
Speaker 1: ever to exist. History will also tell you that Western
Speaker 1: civilization is the greatest miracle that humans ever got.
Speaker 2: History will tell you that. Any history will tell you
Speaker 2: that Western history will tell you that. Tell me any
Speaker 2: history is a fault. I have to be in class.
Speaker 2: So I would really love to continue. God, bless you,
Speaker 2: thank you. Do you say it's a lie? It was
Speaker 2: just kind of talks. Yeah, similar, similar, it's similar. Similar.
Speaker 1: So America is the greatest country ever to exist, not
Speaker 1: even close. What what country would you say is the greatest?
Speaker 1: Makes the country great, most productive, most accepting, most generous,
Speaker 1: most benevolence. Yes, we take in half the world's immigrants
Speaker 1: every single year. How is this not accepted?
Speaker 2: What does that have to do about not being accepted?
Speaker 1: My name is Charlie Kirk, and I love America because
Speaker 1: I love talking with people I disagree with the country.
Speaker 1: Start an organization that's now in a thousand plus campuses
Speaker 1: to save the greatest culture and country ever to exist.
Speaker 5: Hires vets and Higher's vets and.
Speaker 1: And I've had thousands of hours of conversation about these ideas.
Speaker 8: The cameras, is it necessary?
Speaker 1: Well, considering I've been assaulted, followed, stocked, and had things
Speaker 1: thrown at me, the greatest protection I have is cameras.
Speaker 1: It's a public space, all.
Speaker 2: Right, once one second?
Speaker 1: One you have this seens it's all good. But what
Speaker 1: country would you say is greater than this one? It's fine,
Speaker 1: I just said, I mean we taken.
Speaker 8: Hat your your definition of three.
Speaker 2: I mean we are the you say that the.
Speaker 4: United States of America has always done the has always
Speaker 4: made the greatest decision because it's perfect.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 1: I never said America was a perfect country every nor
Speaker 1: have we. We've made a lot of mistakes.
Speaker 13: Anything great?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, That's not what I've said.
Speaker 1: Extra because from an objective analysis, pective correct of world history. Hello,
Speaker 1: how are you? We are the most creative, the most accepting,
Speaker 1: the most benevolent, the most generous, most forward thinking and
Speaker 1: productive country ever to exist. We are a country that
Speaker 1: sent thirty seven thousand of our own citizens to die
Speaker 1: and the Korean peninsula so South Korea could exist, and
Speaker 1: we asked for nothing in return. No country's ever done
Speaker 1: anything close to that. We sent them milkication reading history.
Speaker 2: What did I do? How is that not true? What
Speaker 2: I just said? No? But what am I saying? That's untrue?
Speaker 1: Americans gave away five hundred billion dollars to charity last
Speaker 1: year voluntarily. We've taken half of the world's immigrants half work.
Speaker 2: You know that only five percent of the money that
Speaker 2: you've put into a non promitary charity.
Speaker 8: Even has to be you.
Speaker 2: So most.
Speaker 1: Most charities and most foundations will use ninety plus percent
Speaker 1: of the net assets they get.
Speaker 2: Every single year. What now, you can look at the
Speaker 2: you can look at the IRS website.
Speaker 1: I understand what I'm saying might bother you, But we're
Speaker 1: also the most accepting, least racist, most diverse, multiracial country
Speaker 1: in the world by far. We've been okay, How look
Speaker 1: at the United accepted. We've taken half the world's immigrants
Speaker 1: every single year, so.
Speaker 8: Other countries to.
Speaker 10: Poverty.
Speaker 2: Most America is not living in poverty. Yes, really educated.
Speaker 1: We're the richest country in the world by far. We
Speaker 1: have an American middle class is a uniquely American concept.
Speaker 13: You ever walk down the streets, Excuse me, I grew
Speaker 13: up in a gang gang infested neighborhood. So you want
Speaker 13: to talk to poor people, I'm talking, and we're talking
Speaker 13: to you from a perspective.
Speaker 1: You know that America is poor actually and the richest
Speaker 1: one percent in the world a remarkable amount.
Speaker 2: Of people in the world.
Speaker 13: Persons.
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying is that a very poor person
Speaker 1: in America is relatively extraordinarily rich by world standards.
Speaker 2: Yes, hello you. I don't want to tell you.
Speaker 8: How to speak.
Speaker 1: I go around universities and have challenging conversations and because
Speaker 1: that's what is so important to our country is to
Speaker 1: find our disagreements respectfully, because when people stop.
Speaker 2: Talking, that's when violence happens. You could see that happen
Speaker 2: all across the world.
Speaker 13: So I don't and I'm not really interested in being
Speaker 13: a field. So that's I understand americastries.
Speaker 2: Where are you from Australia?
Speaker 5: It okay, and I just again, don't send in Tennessee.
Speaker 5: I've never seen someone dubiously.
Speaker 1: Yes, Well, it's a growing trend because people like me
Speaker 1: are facing violence assault the left. Yes, the campus Antifa.
Speaker 1: I've been stormed out of restaurants. I've been assaulted publicly,
Speaker 1: multiple death threats. Well, the campus left has been incited
Speaker 1: by Democratic leadership and trained to go after people like me.
Speaker 13: Okay, so at that part of this asign.
Speaker 8: What might have cheated from that year?
Speaker 1: Well, because I love talking to people I disagree with,
Speaker 1: Because in America we have a tradition for public discourse
Speaker 1: and dialogue. Going back into the Lincoln Douglas debates, going
Speaker 1: back to Teddy Roosevelt screaming at political opponents, going back
Speaker 1: to how the US Congress should exist.
Speaker 13: Okay, so what's you golling on this to.
Speaker 2: I'm freezing, We're we're in the shade. Is this is
Speaker 2: where that we have to be? My goal is to
Speaker 2: do you have to be them well, because you have
Speaker 2: to have permits and stuff to do this. Yeah, this
Speaker 2: is it.
Speaker 1: Despite the First Amendment, they relegate me to a certain area.
Speaker 1: But so, but also number two, there's more people that
Speaker 1: agree with me than some people would actually believe, and
Speaker 1: they come out of the woodwork when I.
Speaker 2: Do stuff like this. And finally we record all of.
Speaker 1: It so that we put on the internet so people
Speaker 1: can see. These ideas collide when people stop talking, and
Speaker 1: that's when you get violence. That's when civil war happens
Speaker 1: because you start to think the other side is so
Speaker 1: evil and they lose their humanity. Marriages break apart when
Speaker 1: you stop talking, Churches fall apart, businesses, companies, friendships, relationships.
Speaker 2: Yes, sure, so I have to go yes from the university.
Speaker 13: Yeah, there's just one thing that I've seen as your
Speaker 13: big city can as you bring in the phone, is
Speaker 13: it you really probably have some really good ones to say.
Speaker 13: And that's fine. I'm trying and least it on the
Speaker 13: statinism bea So I'm gonna go apartment step.
Speaker 8: And I'm wait from some pace.
Speaker 2: But you're really like sleeping towar in a way into
Speaker 2: I don't know what that word means.
Speaker 13: Rhetoric.
Speaker 2: Oh, rhetoric. I didn't hear it.
Speaker 13: Okay, it makes you you kind of start to tip
Speaker 13: off things and the points that you're trying to make
Speaker 13: because I'm sure you know your arguments really well. But
Speaker 13: from the people I watched, standing, the kind of the
Speaker 13: party is.
Speaker 4: To fix your tourism.
Speaker 2: Do you think they hear that stuff commonly thought?
Speaker 13: Well, I don't know what you present, that's all I
Speaker 13: think you point. Let sure, and it's not a pretty sis.
Speaker 13: Sure you're comfortable with the session that you want. I
Speaker 13: think you're approached on your hearing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but at least ten or twelve things I told that,
Speaker 1: I said that word factual.
Speaker 13: That's your point that you've told.
Speaker 1: Yes, telling is not a conversation, but they have They
Speaker 1: can walk away at any time.
Speaker 2: Conversation takes two people.
Speaker 13: He told me there's something you want you two.
Speaker 2: Yes, But they didn't hear it some of it.
Speaker 1: For example, I said ninety plus percent of border patrol
Speaker 1: agents support building the wall.
Speaker 2: They immediately dismissed it. They never heard that before. So
Speaker 2: I'm saying things that are not commonly discussed at a university.
Speaker 1: And all I'm saying is that way you say sometimes Okay,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, Thank you, I appreciate it.
Speaker 8: Thank you.
Speaker 14: I'm technically a Democrat, but I have very conservative views
Speaker 14: because I'm faith based all the way. So I have
Speaker 14: a question which is also kind of a disagreement, but
Speaker 14: I want to build it up. Okay, So, of course
Speaker 14: you just said Jesus is the most important thing for
Speaker 14: everyone out here, and so can you please explain to
Speaker 14: everyone out here what Jesus stood for, and especially the
Speaker 14: qualities of love, how to love your neighbor even if
Speaker 14: they don't agree with you.
Speaker 2: So what is your name? Again? To Lisa, that's a
Speaker 2: beautiful question.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you came up to ask it, But I
Speaker 1: want to also just add something, because you're right, Jesus
Speaker 1: fully embodied to thinks simultaneously that showed his divine and
Speaker 1: his godly nature, because not that Jesus said good things.
Speaker 1: Jesus is Lord, Christ is King, and Jesus is God
Speaker 1: on top of just being a guy with a lot
Speaker 1: of good ideas. So John eight, if I'm drawing from
Speaker 1: memory correctly, best embodies both Christ's mercy and love, but
Speaker 1: also his commitment to truth. And sometimes in the modern Gospel,
Speaker 1: we overemphasize the grace and we underemphasize the truth, and
Speaker 1: so we are far too willing to say, hey, Jesus
Speaker 1: loves everybody, but we don't get to the second part
Speaker 1: of the conversation. It says, Jesus doesn't want you to
Speaker 1: live in sin.
Speaker 2: So this is in John A. It's best embodied.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 1: Almost every Christian in this audience will be able to
Speaker 1: tell you the first part of this, which is a
Speaker 1: bunch of Sadducees and Pharisees are sitting around, standing around
Speaker 1: with rocks, and they're about to stone the prostitute woman,
Speaker 1: and Jesus comes up and says, let the first among
Speaker 1: you without sin cast the first stone, and everyone starts
Speaker 1: dropping the rocks. But what comes next shows that Christ
Speaker 1: is not just grace focused, he's simultaneously truth focused. He
Speaker 1: goes up to the woman who had a career in
Speaker 1: selling herself for sex and said, sin no more. Now,
Speaker 1: imagine today how much trouble you would get in if
Speaker 1: you would go up to somebody and say, stop sinning.
Speaker 1: You are being too judgmental. No, no, you're actually being
Speaker 1: christ Like. So Jesus stood, he was one hundred percent
Speaker 1: grace and truth. And that tension is very hard in
Speaker 1: a modern world because we want to overemphasize grace, when
Speaker 1: in reality Christ loves us too much to have us
Speaker 1: continue to live in sin. He wants us to try
Speaker 1: to elevate our actions to glorify God and all that
Speaker 1: we do.
Speaker 4: I agree one hundred percent.
Speaker 14: And so to go on my question, I really want
Speaker 14: to talk about DEI and so with our Christian I
Speaker 14: will agree with you a lot of I read the
Speaker 14: Bible for myself, so I knew what that scripture said.
Speaker 14: But my question is how can Christian teachings on love, equity,
Speaker 14: and justice in form and shape discussions on diversity, equity,
Speaker 14: and inclusion in today's society. And so to also, Jesus
Speaker 14: hung out with sinners.
Speaker 5: He did not judge. He told the truth.
Speaker 14: And so I think that a lot of people in
Speaker 14: society today when we talk about political views that our opposition,
Speaker 14: we judge them because we think, oh, because you voted
Speaker 14: for Trump, you agree on everything, when that's not the case, right,
Speaker 14: And I want you to talk about that.
Speaker 2: Are you good?
Speaker 1: So, and then I'll connect with the DEI and I'm
Speaker 1: going to make a case and I don't know if
Speaker 1: it will be persuasive to you why I think DEI
Speaker 1: is unbiblical. And I'm gonna try to make that case. Okay,
Speaker 1: But first let me talk about let me comment on
Speaker 1: your astute point, which is that Christ wants us to
Speaker 1: be around people that are not like us. This is
Speaker 1: why I go to college campuses. But more and more
Speaker 1: I go to college campuses, I'm getting a lot of
Speaker 1: big crowds. So it's kind of unusually. I used to
Speaker 1: go here and you know, get heckled and have very
Speaker 1: small crowds. But let me demonstrate this in an unusual way.
Speaker 1: Almost every person that's audience would say Christ wants us
Speaker 1: to be salt and light. Now what are the two
Speaker 1: characteristics of salt and light? They change the environments that
Speaker 1: they come in contact with. They do not affirm, they
Speaker 1: do not conform, They change for the better. It's very
Speaker 1: important everybody, We as Christians are called to change the
Speaker 1: environment that we come in touch with.
Speaker 2: How's it going. So I'm a born gain believer in Jesus, and.
Speaker 15: But I want to hear your thoughts, Charlie, because sometimes
Speaker 15: I really struggle to align myself with the conservative side
Speaker 15: of the issues in our country. And multiple experiences in
Speaker 15: my life, whether it be it was just conversation that
Speaker 15: somebody picked up or whatever how I look, whatever it
Speaker 15: may be, assumptions my political views or where I'm leaning
Speaker 15: have blocked and gotten in front of what I really
Speaker 15: believe in, which is advancing the Gospel. And so my
Speaker 15: issue sometimes is that I want to be patriotic, I
Speaker 15: want to vote for and be public about that which
Speaker 15: I think is best for my country, but I don't
Speaker 15: want it to get in front of my main goal,
Speaker 15: what I feel like I've been placed here on this
Speaker 15: earth for, which is advancing the Gospel to all people,
Speaker 15: not just conservatives, not just people who are comfortable walking
Speaker 15: in the church, but the far left of the left
Speaker 15: who are in their season of life for reasons I
Speaker 15: don't know, and I don't want what I believe to
Speaker 15: be for this country to get in the way of
Speaker 15: what's gonna ultimately grow the Kingdom of God.
Speaker 2: It's a great question. What's your name?
Speaker 11: Matt?
Speaker 2: Matt? Thank you.
Speaker 1: Let's repeat what you said, because it's correct. The most
Speaker 1: important thing in the world is to know Christ then
Speaker 1: make him known. The second most important thing, though, is
Speaker 1: to make sure you can do the first thing. That's
Speaker 1: where I come in. You're focusing your life the number one.
Speaker 1: I'm focusing a majority of my life of number two.
Speaker 1: What I mean by that during COVID. They called the
Speaker 1: church non essential. Yet they left strip clubs, open, marijuana dispensaries,
Speaker 1: home depot and lows. But they said the Bride of
Speaker 1: Christ non essential. They always say separation church and state.
Speaker 1: Why is it then that the state could come in
Speaker 1: and shut down the church? You see, what we see
Speaker 1: is that when we stop caring about politics, is the
Speaker 1: government's so big it starts persecuting our religious liberty and
Speaker 1: our freedom. And it's not a contradiction. In fact, if
Speaker 1: you look at the conservative agenda, it is it is far.
Speaker 1: It's a far greater fit with a biblical worldview than
Speaker 1: anything on the left. And I'm sure you agree with that.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: God created man and woman. When does life begin? Strong borders?
Speaker 1: It says in the scriptures Jeremiah twenty nine to seven.
Speaker 1: Demand the welfare of the nation that you are in,
Speaker 1: because your welfare is tied to your nation's welfare. So
Speaker 1: we should care about our nation. In fact, Daniel fastened
Speaker 1: and prayed for his country Esther Mordecai Niemaiyah Jeremiah Joseph.
Speaker 1: In fact, we are called to be counselors to the king.
Speaker 1: We're called to be the moral conscious of a nation.
Speaker 1: And so if we want to know Christ and make
Speaker 1: him known, we must have one ingredient of free society.
Speaker 1: It is hard to know Christ than make him known
Speaker 1: in countries where the Gospel is not ought to be
Speaker 1: told on the side of the street, like China or
Speaker 1: North Korea. And that's not an exaggeration. When Christians fail
Speaker 1: to care about politics, politics will start caring about Christian
Speaker 1: And we must understand that we are the recipients and
Speaker 1: the inheritors of a country that was founded by Christians.
Speaker 1: So the Gospel can spread. And so I don't think
Speaker 1: it's a contradiction at all. I don't think that it's
Speaker 1: what's best for the country. I think is actually best
Speaker 1: for the kingdom. And let's pretend America. Let's say America collapses.
Speaker 1: Do you know that well over ninety percent of all
Speaker 1: international mission funding comes from.
Speaker 2: The United States.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can believe it that most missionaries come from
Speaker 1: five percent of the world's population. Here we are populating
Speaker 1: the earth in Africa and South America with people who
Speaker 1: love the Lord, that come with money, that come with resources,
Speaker 1: that come with clean water equipment. If America were to fall,
Speaker 1: the gospel would not spread as far in fact, the
Speaker 1: world is becoming more Christian because of America's wealth, our generosity,
Speaker 1: and our track record to say that we're going to
Speaker 1: stand for our fellow men and love our neighbor as ourselves.
Speaker 1: So I don't see any contradiction. I just see a
Speaker 1: difference in the same mission. Your mission is first and
Speaker 1: foremost to win people of Christ. I try to do
Speaker 1: that every day. But my mission is to make sure
Speaker 1: that you can do that without being arrest that are
Speaker 1: thrown in a gulag.
Speaker 2: Thank you, God, bless you.
Speaker 16: And I just wanted to ask you, because I'm a
Speaker 16: big Catholic, I wanted to ask you how important do
Speaker 16: you think religion is in this in this day and age?
Speaker 2: Very important?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean as America becomes more secular, and as
Speaker 1: the country becomes less godly, we become less free, more miserable,
Speaker 1: more depressed, more suicidal, more anxious, et cetera.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 16: So is this so I see that you that you
Speaker 16: really do try to push religion. Are you're a Christian?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I am a Christian. When did you grow up that way? Yes?
Speaker 2: Did you just recently?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: I mean I grew up in a passive Christian home,
Speaker 1: gave my life to the Lord when I was in
Speaker 1: fifth grade.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Hi, I'm wondering what your intentions are. So
Speaker 5: I am new to you and this, and I was
Speaker 5: just intrigued.
Speaker 1: Sure, hear from different ideas and see where we agree
Speaker 1: and disagree.
Speaker 5: So yeah, what's like your purpose though? Like communication? Yes,
Speaker 5: but like what are what ideas are you trying to bring?
Speaker 5: Or like help people.
Speaker 1: Understand conservative ones traditional American ones?
Speaker 5: Okay, like traditional conservatism or like modern conservative right wing
Speaker 5: because they like switched.
Speaker 1: I don't like labels, so you can ask me about
Speaker 1: a topic.
Speaker 5: Cool, So yeah, okay, I.
Speaker 1: Think there's only two sexes. No, gender's infinite personalities. Life
Speaker 1: begins at conception. We should deport all the illegals, right.
Speaker 1: The m RNA gen altering shot called the vaccine killed
Speaker 1: a lot of people and it's currently poisoning a lot
Speaker 1: of people. Yeah, so these are just some of my opinions.
Speaker 5: So you think it'll like make the country better?
Speaker 8: Like what are you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean I hope that number the number one. I
Speaker 1: want to support our amazing turning point USA chapter here
Speaker 1: where they feel out numbered and isolated. Number two we're
Speaker 1: promoting our event tonight. So I hope you guys show up.
Speaker 1: Where's our event. It's like in the Montazuma Hall or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's great, Monta Zooma Hall, Montazuoma whatever. And number three
Speaker 1: is I want to see where I might be wrong,
Speaker 1: strengthen my arguments, and anybody can say anything to me.
Speaker 1: I think that free speech is the last best hope
Speaker 1: we have in Western society.
Speaker 5: Nice. Okay, Then I have a question about like women's
Speaker 5: rights in America. I just want to hear what you think,
Speaker 5: like where you think we're at, how you think we
Speaker 5: could better? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Can you just so I know where you're coming from.
Speaker 2: Can you tell me what is a woman?
Speaker 5: Oh, that's a great question. I would classify a woman
Speaker 5: as somebody with a womb and or a vagina. Sometimes
Speaker 5: people are born with either one or the other.
Speaker 1: Good we agree, yes, So as far as women's rights,
Speaker 1: I don't separate rights based on sex. So you have
Speaker 1: to tell me what you mean based on that.
Speaker 5: Okay, Oh that's interesting. So do you believe that there's
Speaker 5: a difference right now in like people's rights and no.
Speaker 1: No, I mean there's male female differences, but there are
Speaker 1: no male rights. Or can you give me an.
Speaker 5: Example Okay, like patriarchy, That's what I'm getting at. Do
Speaker 5: you believe that we live in a patriarchy and it
Speaker 5: negatively affects women?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, for example, men are more likely to commit suicide, yeah,
Speaker 1: more likely to die at work, more likely to declare bankruptcy.
Speaker 1: Women are far less likely to be in credit card debt,
Speaker 1: far more likely to graduate from college, far more likely
Speaker 1: to get a high paying job.
Speaker 5: Do you think that that's a really good point. Do
Speaker 5: you think that the suicide rates, or the depression rates,
Speaker 5: and the bankruptcy rates that you just mentioned regarding men
Speaker 5: have to do with the fact that men are pushed
Speaker 5: to be less open about their emotions. There they're less
Speaker 5: available to being able to communicate how they feel with others.
Speaker 5: They're taught to be more violent and be more physically
Speaker 5: harmful to themselves and others. And do you think that
Speaker 5: pushes them towards suicide, depression, and bankruptcy.
Speaker 1: I think it's the opposite. I think that we're teaching
Speaker 1: men to be metrosexual versions of their former selves.
Speaker 5: What does metrosexual mean to you?
Speaker 1: Indecipherable between a man and woman.
Speaker 5: So it's a man and women to you. What's the
Speaker 5: difference between them.
Speaker 1: Well, a man is in you're looking at a man,
Speaker 1: and I think I'm looking at a woman if I'm not.
Speaker 5: Mistaken nice Yeah, yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's yeah, thank you, there's there's characteristics, archetypes. But
Speaker 1: we have we have differences. There are significant male female differences.
Speaker 1: I think what, well, men tend to be more assertive,
Speaker 1: women tend to be more agreeable innately or taught innately,
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't sayinly based on what science Well, just
Speaker 1: for example, if we look at artificial intelligence, scanned over
Speaker 1: ten thousand brains using a spec scan and was able
Speaker 1: to determine male female differences ninety five percent of the
Speaker 1: time of different brain functions based on basic ganlia, amigdal
Speaker 1: age cerebella.
Speaker 5: Because interestingly enough you read twenty two, okay, fourteen to
Speaker 5: twenty two. I read a study recently that before the
Speaker 5: age of ten, brains are Neuroscientists are unable to be
Speaker 5: able to tell the difference in gender based on the brain.
Speaker 5: But at a certain point the social implications that children
Speaker 5: are taught start making them act differently. But it's been
Speaker 5: it's been shown that if a man or a woman
Speaker 5: were given the same. Okay, have you heard that men
Speaker 5: are they have more spatial awareness, like in their brain.
Speaker 2: I think that's probably true.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, So we learned that if women are given
Speaker 5: a month of the same practices as children that men
Speaker 5: are given or allowed to do, whether whether it comes
Speaker 5: to what they're playing the media they're intaking, like what
Speaker 5: they're told and how they're told to act, that women
Speaker 5: have the same spatial awareness ability as men. So we're
Speaker 5: finding that innately the brain is the same, but because
Speaker 5: of the social constructs that we're taught on men and
Speaker 5: women and how they're supposed to act, their brain ability
Speaker 5: to activate certain parts changes. So by fourteen, the brain
Speaker 5: does seem different.
Speaker 2: You're raised kids. Tell me, have you ever raised kids?
Speaker 8: Now?
Speaker 5: I have six nieces and nephews.
Speaker 1: Though men and women, you couldn't be more wrong. If
Speaker 1: you're even around a two year old boy and two
Speaker 1: year old girl, it's not a matter of what they're taught.
Speaker 1: The girls are running too the dresses. The boys are
Speaker 1: running to the guns. You know who agrees with me.
Speaker 1: One of the leading feminists of the sixties and seventies,
Speaker 1: Gloria Steinmann, who wrote Feminist mystique.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I read that even she who was.
Speaker 1: Like a hardcore gender is taught when she raised her kids.
Speaker 1: She was like, oh my goodness, there is a fundamental,
Speaker 1: innate difference between men and women. And it's not just
Speaker 1: brain structure. It's testosterone, it's estradial, it's estrogen production, it
Speaker 1: is hormone levels, it is all And I could just
Speaker 1: prove it. If you sit down to a young with
Speaker 1: a young lady, they're far more likely to talk about
Speaker 1: micro topics, and men are more likely to talk about
Speaker 1: macro topics.
Speaker 5: What's the difference?
Speaker 2: Great question.
Speaker 1: So if I sat down with a young lady, she'd
Speaker 1: mean much more likely to talk about friends, relationships, and
Speaker 1: things that are very intimate to her. A young man,
Speaker 1: we more likely to talk about the weather, sports, or
Speaker 1: the stock market or politics. Yeah, and that's not taught.
Speaker 2: That is innate.
Speaker 1: That is innate into our bioprogramming.
Speaker 5: What is bioprogramming?
Speaker 2: How we were designed?
Speaker 5: What do you mean how we were designed?
Speaker 1: I mean I believe that there's a creator that designed
Speaker 1: us and that we're fearfully and wonderfully made. And you
Speaker 1: might not agree. I was just say how you were born.
Speaker 1: I would even say, just to come to common ground
Speaker 1: on that.
Speaker 5: Okay, So the Creator chose that men and women have
Speaker 5: separate roles and it's innate, well.
Speaker 1: Not just separate roles, but made differently, and out of
Speaker 1: being made differently, you get different roles.
Speaker 5: Right, So if science proves that the other way do
Speaker 5: you just do you rely on creator over science.
Speaker 1: But science has done the opposite. So for example, in
Speaker 1: a Harvard study, they put fifty women in a room alone,
Speaker 1: and they put fifty men in the room alone. H
Speaker 1: not relevant, but around twenty five right relevant?
Speaker 5: Okay, So no, sorry, I'm actually having so much.
Speaker 1: Okay, So if you really I'm fascinated you think that
Speaker 1: eight year old's brains are infinitely neuroplastic, but we'll.
Speaker 2: Get to the back to them.
Speaker 5: No, no, when they're like babies by eight years old,
Speaker 5: you're already going through school and you've had so many relationships,
Speaker 5: they're definitely affected.
Speaker 1: But again, if you were right, John Money would have
Speaker 1: been proven right, but we'll get that later. So which
Speaker 1: that test isn't replicated so many times, and even the Dutch,
Speaker 1: who are like the most progressive on this, have gotten
Speaker 1: away from the idea of tabila ross. So that boys
Speaker 1: and girls are are boring similarly with brain differences, but
Speaker 1: we'll agree to discrain that. But the anyway, twenty five
Speaker 1: year olds were put into a room, okay, and they said, men,
Speaker 1: what do you think about when they're alone? No surprise,
Speaker 1: sports and sex? Right, young ladies, what do you think
Speaker 1: about in the room alone? For thirty minutes, just by themselves,
Speaker 1: they replayed prior conversations that they had. For the record,
Speaker 1: no man in the history of the species has replayed
Speaker 1: conversations that we had and thought about them when we
Speaker 1: were alone in a room, Like, what conversation?
Speaker 9: What was?
Speaker 2: This person said?
Speaker 1: Women are far more relational micro than men, and that's
Speaker 1: just based on how our design is.
Speaker 5: WHOA, I think that you just lied that. All men
Speaker 5: don't think that's such a It's called a joke.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a man somewhere that recollected on a conversation.
Speaker 5: Well, I didn't know that in a dialect that's a
Speaker 5: debate based on science, and you're talking about a study
Speaker 5: that would you implement a joke that's based on it.
Speaker 1: Yes, Humor is a tool of a rhdetorician to try
Speaker 1: to get people, you know, to chuckle a little levity.
Speaker 2: So yeah, thank you, I appreciate it. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. Do you think testosterone
Speaker 1: and estrogen play into people's ability to have drive, ambition, feelings,
Speaker 1: and do you think testosterone estern are important?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, So then if women are lower in testosterone and
Speaker 1: higher and estrogen and men are lower in estrogen higher
Speaker 1: in testosterone, wouldn't that, independent of society's framing, play into
Speaker 1: the idea that there are natural differences between the two.
Speaker 5: I think that it definitely plays into the idea that
Speaker 5: they're in natural differences, and I think there are natural differences.
Speaker 5: I just think to an extent that as a society,
Speaker 5: we've decided that men because they have more testosterone, and
Speaker 5: we've known testosterone makes people more aggravated, that or what's aggravated.
Speaker 5: I'll just leave it aggressive aggressive, Yes, sure, I take aggressive. Yeah,
Speaker 5: thank you. That it makes people are men more aggressive,
Speaker 5: that we've decided that that means that men are not
Speaker 5: in control of their moral ability or their ability to
Speaker 5: to choose what they're going to do. So it becomes
Speaker 5: like men have more testosterone, but they still have the
Speaker 5: ability to choose to treat people so better or with
Speaker 5: less aggression like it's not it's like, oh, men don't
Speaker 5: have the ability to make those choices. That's almost like
Speaker 5: downplaying men's ability by saying that they just have to
Speaker 5: give into their aggression.
Speaker 1: I'm not contesting that the mark of a true man
Speaker 1: is one who who can control himself. Do you think
Speaker 1: that you could do you think there's a problem of
Speaker 1: trying to turn women too masculine.
Speaker 5: Turning women to masculine.
Speaker 1: What's masculine for you, Well, let's just say not agreeable, forceful, aggressive,
Speaker 1: aggressive in the best possible term, forward thinking, more macro,
Speaker 1: more visionary, less feeling based, more rational, more yearning towards
Speaker 1: reason and dialogue, and less towards compassion or the ethos
Speaker 1: And what's feminine to you the inverse of that, So
Speaker 1: more on the emotion side, less macro, more micro much.
Speaker 5: So women aren't just what men are, not.
Speaker 1: No, they're different sides of a species coin, right, So
Speaker 1: you have human species, you have male and female, and
Speaker 1: there's differences. So I could also posit it separately. A
Speaker 1: woman is more compassionate, a man is less compassionate, So
Speaker 1: I could there's two ways to word it. But do
Speaker 1: you think that there's a problem about trying to force
Speaker 1: women to be too masculine.
Speaker 5: No, I don't think there's a problem.
Speaker 1: Okay, well I disagree. We have a crisis in this country.
Speaker 1: Why do you I'm curious, why do you think that
Speaker 1: we have so many unmarried young thirty something women. It's
Speaker 1: the most in the history you have recorded data.
Speaker 5: That's a good question. I don't know if I've ever
Speaker 5: pondered why we have unmarried.
Speaker 1: Why do you think that it's the young women are
Speaker 1: the most depressed, alcohol addicted and psychiatric drug addicted in history?
Speaker 5: Is that true?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the most miserable they've ever been. I'm just curious.
Speaker 2: What why do you think that is?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess I would. I would say that I
Speaker 5: think it's because like the society that we live in, right,
Speaker 5: like capitalistic, consumeristic where there's like constant processing and overconsumption
Speaker 5: that includes like drugs, alcohol.
Speaker 1: Over so women going into the workforce a lot could
Speaker 1: create a lot of depression for them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, same with men.
Speaker 1: Okay, but then shouldn't women, like I don't know, stay
Speaker 1: at home and have children and do what they're designed
Speaker 1: to do that make them happier.
Speaker 5: You have the more most depression that they have right
Speaker 5: now in this country could make the same just made
Speaker 5: for women.
Speaker 2: I'm asking questions.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, maybe the men are upset because the women
Speaker 1: that they're trying to date are more interested in taking
Speaker 1: care of cats and trying to become partner at the
Speaker 1: local law firm. Yeah, and they say, I don't want
Speaker 1: to get married till I'm thirty, And maybe that creates
Speaker 1: a sense of despondency when a young male being raised
Speaker 1: in this country sees everything rigged against them.
Speaker 5: So do you not believe that women should be working?
Speaker 1: Of course, I think I believe in liberty. I'm just asking,
Speaker 1: has there been an unintended tragedy where we have the
Speaker 1: most financially successful thirty to thirty five year old cohort
Speaker 1: of young women in history?
Speaker 7: Men?
Speaker 2: Well, again, the women's history.
Speaker 5: Like men and women are and depressed.
Speaker 1: The women are far more depressed than men. The men
Speaker 1: are depressed.
Speaker 5: But you just said that the men were more depressed
Speaker 5: and that's why they're.
Speaker 1: They're more suicidal, and they're largely more suicidal.
Speaker 5: They're more suicidal, but they're less No, they're.
Speaker 1: More successful at committing suicide than women.
Speaker 5: Oh, that's a big difference.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, women commit su women.
Speaker 1: No, it's true women try to commit suicide more, and
Speaker 1: yet women will go through three or four attempted suicide attempts.
Speaker 1: Men usual in the one.
Speaker 2: You can look it up. It's just the way it is.
Speaker 1: But I'm just curious, what is it about the thirty
Speaker 1: to thirty five year old female. Do you think there
Speaker 1: might be something missing? Do you think that there's like
Speaker 1: this biological urge to get married and procreate that we
Speaker 1: might have been suppressing because it is the least child
Speaker 1: it's the childless, least married cohort in the history of
Speaker 1: the country.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I believe that marriage and reproduction are beautiful things.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: Do you think we should encourage it more for young women?
Speaker 5: I think we could encourage like a deeper understanding of
Speaker 5: people's individual sense of self and then through that, if
Speaker 5: people can better understand their wants and needs and become
Speaker 5: more self aware about who they are and what they need,
Speaker 5: that ultimately they would lead them to like better and
Speaker 5: more efficient decision making for themselves. Okay, whether or not
Speaker 5: that means marriage.
Speaker 1: Last question you posited this, how would you define the patriarchy?
Speaker 5: Oh, the patriarchy so patriarchy like the epistemology of the.
Speaker 1: Word, or just like if do you believe it exists
Speaker 1: in the country today, or yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Believe patriarchy exists. Patriarchy comes from poter, right. Potter means
Speaker 5: father in Latin, so patriarchy is father over or men over,
Speaker 5: so it's like a men ruling, right. So we see
Speaker 5: it in the fact that God or the divinity is
Speaker 5: represented as men, which was only happened like halfway through
Speaker 5: the history of humans, so it was like a matrilineal
Speaker 5: matriarchy society for a while. We see it in the
Speaker 5: fact that women take men's last name. We see it
Speaker 5: in the way that in the way that men are viewed,
Speaker 5: or like men view women, and how women kind of
Speaker 5: have to adhere to the way that men want them
Speaker 5: to be portrayed. And I agree with you that porn
Speaker 5: is what would you say, toxic? Toxic? Yeah, And I
Speaker 5: think that's an aspect of the patriarchy, right, Like if
Speaker 5: you go on a porn website, which I'm sure you
Speaker 5: haven't in a while, but.
Speaker 1: To be addicted though, yeah, woll could I encourage everyone
Speaker 1: to break free of that addiction?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Me too, Yeah, me too. That's great, proud of you
Speaker 5: for that one. Yeah, but if you go on a
Speaker 5: porn website, you can see that, like the view of
Speaker 5: all of the porn is from the perspective of a man,
Speaker 5: and it's of a woman, and these kinds of aspects
Speaker 5: show that right now we live in a society where
Speaker 5: it's it's a man's view, it's men over, so like
Speaker 5: we're all taking on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thank you for that first.
Speaker 1: On the porn thing, eighty five percent of people that
Speaker 1: consume porn or men, so they're obviously going to shoot
Speaker 1: it in a way that is more attuned to men.
Speaker 1: For example, what if women?
Speaker 5: What if it was shooted for women, and then.
Speaker 1: Then they would change, they would change the perspective because
Speaker 1: they're they're in it to make money. The same reason
Speaker 1: why lifetime movies don't have rock and roll music and
Speaker 1: they tend to be very like uplifting, flowery, emotional based,
Speaker 1: and hyper feminine in the writing because most people that
Speaker 1: watch lifetime movies are women.
Speaker 5: What's lifetime movie?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: A lifetime movie is like a field good movie on
Speaker 1: cable TV that has like a very poorly written narrative
Speaker 1: and usually ends in some sort.
Speaker 5: Of like re mark.
Speaker 1: Yeah like homek Yeah, yeah, that's that's the best way
Speaker 1: I could I could got it. But thank you for
Speaker 1: the dialogue. I appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks, thanks you too.
Speaker 1: Thank you, good luck.
Speaker 2: Thanks.
Speaker 4: Sorry.
Speaker 17: Just to clarify, I'm not a very big fan. I'm
Speaker 17: aware of Turning Point in USA, but I don't watch
Speaker 17: a lot of stuff. I don't really have like a
Speaker 17: theological or political question. I have more of a question
Speaker 17: about like dialogue and like the purpose of kind of
Speaker 17: these meetings, because looking into Turning Point us say, it's
Speaker 17: really just an organization that's meant to like spread awareness
Speaker 17: of like your political beliefs, being like pro Christian, pro
Speaker 17: Republican Party, more Trump, I guess. But my question is,
Speaker 17: do you think that this platform or like this discussion
Speaker 17: of like politics in this way is useful because, like,
Speaker 17: for example, the guy that you talked to a little
Speaker 17: bit ago about vaccines, you had a lot of stuff
Speaker 17: to say to him that he couldn't really counteract in
Speaker 17: that moment, because just coming from it, you are a
Speaker 17: professional that this is your job, you walk around doing this,
Speaker 17: and so you just have more facts readily available that
Speaker 17: aren't necessarily very fiable. So it's kind of hard to
Speaker 17: argue a point, whether it's right or wrong, and whether
Speaker 17: or not you have the equipment to do so. If
Speaker 17: you just automatically have points that we can't really verify.
Speaker 1: You guys are welcome to bring phones or notes or
Speaker 1: phone a friend. Well, yeah, but then you bring a professor. Toot,
Speaker 1: Go bring a professor, bring to bring the whole. I'll
Speaker 1: debate them all. No, go find a professor, bring them down,
Speaker 1: and let's debate whatever you want. I mean, I meaning
Speaker 1: like yes, to answer your question. You're coming this in
Speaker 1: a good way. I do think this is effective. Look
Speaker 1: at the crowd you've already assembled. And I think that
Speaker 1: free speech is a bedrock of American society. And to
Speaker 1: be able to pursue truth and find out we agree
Speaker 1: or disagree, or have my assumptions challenged. And I do
Speaker 1: this all from memory. I don't have any notes here.
Speaker 1: You guys are welcome. You're not professionals. You're able to
Speaker 1: bring whatever you want. But yeah, look, I think that
Speaker 1: on this campus, especially it is a predominantly homogeneous left
Speaker 1: wing campus, especially amongst the professors, And to have a
Speaker 1: conservative be able to sit here and take adversarial questions.
Speaker 1: I think it also gives confidence to other conservatives here
Speaker 1: on campus to speak up when they might hear something
Speaker 1: they disagree about, or give them conviction to maybe say hey,
Speaker 1: I don't agree with that, and so I think that
Speaker 1: has a lot of value.
Speaker 17: Okay, just one more question on the meeting itself, because
Speaker 17: I understand the point of like kind of validating conservatives
Speaker 17: ability to talk. Obviously, we don't want to just kind
Speaker 17: of shut them up. That's not a very good course
Speaker 17: for dialoguee Yeah, But I think at the same time
Speaker 17: it's also these are all posted on the internet, right.
Speaker 1: Well, they're posted in its entirety. Yes, yeah, correct, But
Speaker 1: as long as unless somebody says you know something that
Speaker 1: you're insane.
Speaker 17: But usually for again, as someone who doesn't watch Turning
Speaker 17: point us say, the only thing I see from talks
Speaker 17: like this and similar to like I don't know if
Speaker 17: you associate with like Steven Crowder or but he has
Speaker 17: very similar like come and talk talk about these things.
Speaker 17: The only thing I ever really see from that is
Speaker 17: more sensationalized conversations like shutting down.
Speaker 1: And sometimes I feel like this dialogue can become Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean again, you could look at my YouTube channel.
Speaker 1: We post hour long clips of these deals, so you
Speaker 1: see the clips because they lead to the longer form,
Speaker 1: but both are posted for sure.
Speaker 17: Do you think it's because it leads to the longer
Speaker 17: form or it's it's easier to watch and more entertaining.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, you're competing for eyeballs against literal pornography, Hulu, Netflix,
Speaker 1: and sports. So when people are wont to engage with
Speaker 1: content around politics, you're trying to win people over, right,
Speaker 1: But also we want to have integrity for the conversations
Speaker 1: that we have, which is what we do with our
Speaker 1: a lot of our YouTube videos and our longer form content.
Speaker 1: So okay, thank you very much, appreciate it, keep watching, man,
Speaker 1: thank you. Are you a Satanist?
Speaker 18: No, it's I know, I know, Satan's not real.
Speaker 1: I'm not that Oh okay, yeah, no, Satan is very real.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you can put the mic up.
Speaker 2: Satan is very It.
Speaker 18: Does relate to I wanted to ask. I wanted to
Speaker 18: ask like, well, first, are you a Christian?
Speaker 2: Very very much so?
Speaker 18: And I wanted to ask like, like, why is that exactly?
Speaker 2: Oh, Jesus saved my life. I'm a sinner.
Speaker 1: Fall short of the glory of God, gave my life
Speaker 1: to Christ's most important decision I ever made.
Speaker 18: So you believe the Bible is real?
Speaker 1: Yes, I believe the Bible is true and real.
Speaker 2: Why is that?
Speaker 1: Well, I could give you the technical answer. There's never
Speaker 1: been an archaeological discovery that has contradicted the truth of
Speaker 1: the Bible. We know everything the Bible, as far as
Speaker 1: the kings, as far as the succession of Israeli rulers,
Speaker 1: to the Jewish people being put in exile to be
Speaker 1: put back into the land of Jerusalem, to the destruction
Speaker 1: of the Temple in eighty seventy.
Speaker 2: All that checks out.
Speaker 1: There's never been a discovery that's contradicted it. From King
Speaker 1: Hezekiah to King Cyrus, to Nehemayah to Zuribebel, to this
Speaker 1: destruction of the creation of the Second Temple, and then
Speaker 1: of course the wisdom. There's not a truth of the
Speaker 1: Bible that if you apply to your life, your life
Speaker 1: does not improved dramatically. And then finally we have the
Speaker 1: most accurate and transparent, the most historically robust account. I
Speaker 1: should say that one can have of the most important
Speaker 1: figure ever to live in the history of the world,
Speaker 1: Jesus of Nazareth and Jesus of Nazareth, who was born
Speaker 1: in virgin birth, we believe is the incarnation perform miracles
Speaker 1: all throughout Juday and Samaria eventually confronted Pharisees, led to
Speaker 1: a death that he did not deserve, was in the
Speaker 1: grave for three days, and then rose from the dead.
Speaker 1: And the resurrection is the is the pinpoint of my
Speaker 1: belief that Jesus did rise from the grave so that
Speaker 1: we may live.
Speaker 18: So what about like the stories of Greek and Roman mythology,
Speaker 18: do you think any of that is real? So then
Speaker 18: what makes Christian mythology real?
Speaker 1: Well, give me an example of Christian mythology that I
Speaker 1: can do, like creation, so.
Speaker 18: Like Genesis story of like David and Glive for example.
Speaker 1: Okay, what's actually pretty easy to deconstruct. A sling is
Speaker 1: actually a rather lethal weapon, especially for someone in a
Speaker 1: Judaian tribe that's trained to use a sling of a
Speaker 1: young age. And Goliath was a rather clumsy individual. And
Speaker 1: if you're able to pinpoint a rock right between the
Speaker 1: temple lobe, you can effectively kill or lobotomize an individual.
Speaker 1: So that's hardly mythology, all.
Speaker 18: Right, So what about what about the story of Satan's fall?
Speaker 1: Then what about in Ezekiel. Yeah, so that's not mythology,
Speaker 1: but that is theology. So in the story of Satan's fall,
Speaker 1: in the later books of Ezekiel, we are told that
Speaker 1: God the heavens and the earth. God created the angels,
Speaker 1: and there was a rebellious angel, Lucifer, who led a
Speaker 1: rebellion against God and brought one third of the angels
Speaker 1: with him and then created what is now is the underworld.
Speaker 1: Is the best Hebraic interpretation of that which we now
Speaker 1: know as hell. I could go through every single story
Speaker 1: Jonah and the whale parting of the Red Sea, right
Speaker 1: Ahab on Mount Karma with Elijah. Here's my answer. If
Speaker 1: Genesis won one and the Resurrection is true, anything in
Speaker 1: the Bible is possible. You're looking at the greatest miracle.
Speaker 1: The greatest miracle is creation. The fact that we have
Speaker 1: an ordered, intelligible world where we can exist and that
Speaker 1: human beings are able to flourish.
Speaker 2: That is a miracle.
Speaker 1: In the beginning, God created the heavens of the earth
Speaker 1: and Hebrew. That is better sheet in the beginning. And
Speaker 1: then the fact that Jesus rose from the dead and
Speaker 1: I say, how do you know that Jesus rose from
Speaker 1: the dead. Well, show me another historical piece of a
Speaker 1: story where so many people willingly died a brutal death
Speaker 1: for a lie. Every single person around him had everything
Speaker 1: to lose, and yet they went to the absolute death,
Speaker 1: from Paul to Peter to the half brother of James,
Speaker 1: saying that Jesus is Lord. Jesus rose from the dead.
Speaker 1: Not to mention, if you were going to fake a story,
Speaker 1: you would not use female witnesses. In the ancient world.
Speaker 1: In the scriptures it said that the women were the
Speaker 1: first one to see Jesus Christ. If you're trying to
Speaker 1: fake a story, you would never do that. Not to
Speaker 1: mention the five hundred people that I saw Jesus after
Speaker 1: he rose from the dead, doubting Thomas, and then the
Speaker 1: later church that lived under persecution under the belief that
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ was the son of God.
Speaker 18: Our one loss goes. So do you think do you
Speaker 18: think Christiania should be forced onto everybody?
Speaker 1: No? No, I don't believe Christiania should be forced. Then
Speaker 1: it's not love, it's rape. So we believe that God
Speaker 1: loves you, so he will not force you. And so
Speaker 1: if you reject God, you will go to Hell. I
Speaker 1: hope that's not the case for you, guys, because you
Speaker 1: can give Jesus Christ so you can live life eternal.
Speaker 1: But it's a love story, not a forced story. And
Speaker 1: so it's this option in front of you. Will you
Speaker 1: surrender in front of the cross? The cross is this
Speaker 1: idea that the perfect, the divine, came down and took
Speaker 1: a human form and died the most brutal death the
Speaker 1: ancient world knew the most tortuous, brutal death that someone
Speaker 1: could possibly know, and then rose in the dead the
Speaker 1: defeat deaths that you could live forever.
Speaker 2: And so it's a gift.
Speaker 1: They're right in front of you. If you take that gift,
Speaker 1: it transforms you from within, changes your life. You have
Speaker 1: joy and happiness that you otherwise would not have. But
Speaker 1: you have a conscious choice to reject that, and I
Speaker 1: hope you don't. And if you reject that, then you
Speaker 1: will go where you want to go, which is in
Speaker 1: absence and the furthest distance one can be from the Divine.
Speaker 2: I go to college.
Speaker 1: Campuses, and there's a lot of error. We're all sinners,
Speaker 1: we are all live in error. We as Christians are
Speaker 1: called to go into the public arena to correct error
Speaker 1: with truth. What is God's Planmen, I go on to
Speaker 1: college campus. I just believe I will only tell truth,
Speaker 1: I will not compromise, and I'll love on the loss.
Speaker 1: Purpose will give you happiness. You see, we live in
Speaker 1: a country where they think that happiness is pleasure. We
Speaker 1: know that purpose is above all of this, serving God,
Speaker 1: that we are made in this image, that there is
Speaker 1: a struggle of good versus evil. Every day you get
Speaker 1: to fight for what is good and what is true
Speaker 1: and beautiful. God should be the most important thing in
Speaker 1: your life. Jesus Christ is your lord and says your
Speaker 1: most important pot Beyond that, it's getting married, having children,
Speaker 1: building families, leaving a legacy, doing.
Speaker 2: Big and great things.
Speaker 1: Taking the deep, but sometimes the difficult road is the
Speaker 1: way that you should configure your life. Getting married and
Speaker 1: having children is a difficult but deep decision that I
Speaker 1: hope every single of you make, because for every single
Speaker 1: one of you, there are a couple thousand students that
Speaker 1: wish they could speak out like you do. Encourages a choice.
Speaker 1: We are no longer going to accept comfortable losing. We
Speaker 1: are no longer going to accept excuses from our elected officials.
Speaker 1: We have more combined political power than they have ever
Speaker 1: allowed us to believe. We are the party of people
Speaker 1: that shower before work and shower after work, the people
Speaker 1: that get their hands dirty, the people that protect our streets,
Speaker 1: the people that built this country.
Speaker 2: What can I do to say the country? Do you
Speaker 2: answer that question every single day?
Speaker 1: If you are doing the work to save this beautiful republic,
Speaker 1: you are doing something that is bigger than you. America
Speaker 1: is the greatest country ever to exist, period, bar none,
Speaker 1: is the greatest country ever to exist.
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