1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Life audio. 2 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 2: Hi from the Salvation Army. You're listening to Words of Life, 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 2: the Words of Life. 4 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 3: Hey, welcome back to Words of Life. Over the past 5 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 3: several months, our team has been spending a lot of 6 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 3: time discussing the idea of biblical justice. What does it 7 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 3: mean for followers of Christ to engage with the challenges 8 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 3: facing our communities? How does our faith shape the way 9 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 3: we respond to suffering, vulnerability and human need. So beginning today, 10 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 3: we're joined by a panel of ministry leaders who serve 11 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 3: on the front lines of some of society's most complex 12 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 3: and pressing issues. Joining me around the table are doctor 13 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 3: Ian Mudge, Major Sandra are Seena Evans, and Hillary Djarinet. Together, 14 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 3: we'll explore topics such as mental health, addiction, recovery, refugee care, 15 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 3: anti human trafficking efforts, and homelessness. These conversations won't be 16 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 3: focused on politics or opinions. Instead, will examine these realities 17 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 3: through the lens of scripture, seeking to better understand God's 18 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 3: heart for people and our calling as His followers. Our 19 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 3: hope is that these discussions will inform, challenge and encourage 20 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 3: you as we consider what it looks like to live 21 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 3: out our faith with compassion, wisdom, and conviction. Throughout this series. 22 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 3: We'll find links in the show notes to resources mentioned 23 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 3: in each episode, and as always, we'd love to hear 24 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 3: from you. If you have any questions for us or 25 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 3: any of our guests, or if there's just a way 26 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 3: we can be praying for you, please reach out. You 27 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 3: can email us at Hello at words of Life podcast 28 00:01:51,400 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 3: dot org. Thank you to our whole team that's joining 29 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 3: me for this series. And we're just going to go 30 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 3: around the table and learn who everyone is. And I'll 31 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 3: start to my left Ian, who are you and a 32 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 3: little bit of your faith background, your education, how you 33 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 3: got into what you do today. 34 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: I'm doctor Ian Munch, psychologist. I get to work with pastors. 35 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: That's kind of what God has called me to do. 36 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: I love working with pastors and working with denominations and 37 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: helping pastors' lives get better. I was born and raised 38 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: in the church. My parents are pastors, and so I've 39 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,119 Speaker 1: been fortunate enough to have had a relationship with God 40 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: my whole life. 41 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 3: Next, we have Hillary. 42 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 4: Hi. 43 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:01,399 Speaker 5: I'm Hillary Dejarnett and I am the Territorial Pathway Hope 44 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 5: Director for the Salvation Army and a little bit about 45 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 5: my faith background similar to Ian. Actually, I have grown 46 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 5: up in the church. My parents were also in ministry 47 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 5: and pastors, and so I've walked with the Lord my 48 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 5: whole life. Really because of that. I learned about trafficking 49 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 5: and exploitation when I was in high school at a 50 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 5: camp and immediately just knew that was something the Lord 51 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 5: was calling me to, to fight trafficking and to see 52 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 5: what I could do to be a part of solutions 53 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 5: for that. When I went to college, I went to 54 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 5: the University of Georgia in Athens and started learning more 55 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 5: about trafficking and volunteering, and I got my undergrad and 56 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 5: child and Family development and my master's in nonprofit administration, 57 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 5: and then after that was able to actually with Sandra 58 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 5: here start a ministry in Atlanta for women coming out 59 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 5: of exploitation and trafficking. We helped to start up and center. 60 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 5: So that's kind of where I got started in this work, 61 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 5: and anti trafficking work is a passion of mine, and 62 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 5: also what I do today with Pathway of Hope is 63 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:16,559 Speaker 5: working with families and breaking cycles of innergenerational poverty. That's 64 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 5: what I'm passionate about and grateful to be here to 65 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 5: talk about these important issues today. 66 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 3: Hey, you're listening to the Salvation Army's words of life. 67 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 3: We're going to take a quick bad break and we'll 68 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 3: be right back. You will know this voice, Sandra. She's 69 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 3: been on the show. This is your third time at 70 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 3: least now. 71 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 4: I think so. 72 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 2: Yeah. 73 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:49,239 Speaker 4: I'm Sandra Powar, born and bred into the Salvation Nami 74 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 4: pierans a Savagnami pastas and have kind of just grown 75 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 4: up around the Savage m my whole life. My current 76 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 4: position is Mission and Evangelism and Cultural Ministry Secretary, and 77 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 4: I kind of love it because I love mission, I 78 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 4: love evangelism, and I love the Nations and other coaches. 79 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 4: So I feel like I'm in a sweet spot at 80 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 4: the moment. My name actually means a defender of mankind, 81 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 4: and so I feel like it was a bit of 82 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 4: a prophetic name for me because as long as I 83 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 4: can remember, I've been a person that really has a 84 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 4: heart towards justice and gets very upset about injustice, and 85 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 4: so kind of my whole life, I've just been drawn 86 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 4: to issues of justice and injustice and how I could 87 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 4: be someone that is able to speak life into those 88 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 4: situations and hope. My degree is in social work, and 89 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 4: then I did a master's in international development international community development, 90 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 4: and then I just finished an education specialist in community 91 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 4: care and counseling. And I kind of feel like all 92 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 4: those things just really wrap well together, and caring for 93 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 4: people and posturing them and looking at injustices around the 94 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 4: world and locally, and so yeah, that's kind of where 95 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 4: I come from. And I somehow, wherever I've been appointed 96 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 4: with a Salvation Army, I've either started some trafficking work 97 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 4: or working with refugees or I'm kind of always in 98 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 4: the mix and super grateful that we get to talk 99 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 4: about something that is very close to my heart today. 100 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 4: So thank you. 101 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 3: And I know you've been on Words of Life before. 102 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 3: I have never been here, I don't think, so, yeah, 103 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 3: it's my first time. And we were welcoming our friend Sena. 104 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 6: Hello, thank you for having me. I was not born 105 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,679 Speaker 6: into the Salvation Army. I started here in twenty twenty 106 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 6: two as a territorial services coordinator against human trafficking. I 107 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 6: also grew up in church. But you know, much like 108 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 6: you can sit in a garage but not be a car, 109 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 6: is how I grew up in church. So I sat 110 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 6: and I had no idea though, who God really was 111 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 6: until I walked into my young adulthood and had to 112 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 6: figure it out myself. Yeah, I grew up in church. 113 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 6: My mom was a minister, but unfortunately wasn't the best situation. 114 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 6: There's a lot of toxic things happening in church, and 115 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 6: I think growing up around that and seeing how broken 116 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 6: we are as humans shaped why I'm passionate about what 117 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 6: I do now When it comes to what people come 118 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 6: with backgrounds, trauma, complex trauma, things that we don't really 119 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 6: talk about in church spaces. Really helps me understand why 120 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 6: building trauma informed organizations really matter in this work. When 121 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 6: it comes to working in human trafficking response, I mean, 122 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 6: my job is a lot so not only prevention for 123 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 6: youth and young adults, but we work into departmentally, so 124 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 6: I'm also getting to work with our arcs and our 125 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 6: IDIA and helping everyone understand why exploitation happens. And it's 126 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 6: been a privilege. I'm really grateful for this work. It's 127 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 6: it is heart to work. I heard someone say at 128 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 6: a summit I was at yesterday. It's heart work. It's hard, 129 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 6: but it's you have to it has to be from 130 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 6: the heart. So I'm grateful to be able to walk 131 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 6: alongside everyone and do this work together. 132 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 3: We pray that you're enjoying and being blessed by this conversation. 133 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 3: We're going to take one more ad break and we'll 134 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 3: be right back. That's a great transition to what I 135 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 3: was going to ask next, which is how has your 136 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 3: relationship with Christ shaped the way that you see the 137 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 3: people that you help. 138 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 4: I think for me, I've just really learned that God 139 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 4: loves everybody that he created, and I'm really grateful for 140 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 4: the experiences that I've had of living overseas in different 141 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 4: places and meeting people from different cultures and different nations 142 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 4: and even different religions, and learning about their stories and 143 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 4: learning about who they are. And so I think that 144 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 4: the Lord has placed that desire in me to hear 145 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 4: people's stories, to get to know them. He just has 146 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 4: given me a heart for those that he has created. 147 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 4: I just know that He loves them so deeply, and 148 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 4: he cares so deeply about the things that they go through, 149 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 4: and so I just know that I need to do 150 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 4: the same, you. 151 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 6: Know, coming into young adulthood and understanding who God is 152 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 6: in your young adulthood years, I feel like understanding that 153 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 6: really coincides with understanding that I was made in the 154 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 6: image of God. We can forget that. And this work 155 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 6: specifically when it comes to working with survivors who may 156 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 6: not see that. They might have heard it before, but 157 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 6: they may not see that for themselves because of all 158 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 6: of the honestly, the hell that they've been through. They're 159 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 6: hearing it, but it's not until I think it's demonstrated 160 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 6: in a way where it's more of a partnership, walking alongside, 161 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 6: journeying alongside people. I think the root word of compassion 162 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 6: is to journey with and it's in the dark, deep 163 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 6: places that people need to walk hand in hand with people. 164 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 6: That means walking in the dark places alongside people to 165 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 6: help them understand and demonstrate now we're in this together. 166 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 3: I mean, that's why our testimonies are so vital. I mean, 167 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 3: especially for those people who you know, you say, are 168 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 3: walking into a church body of people who are all 169 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 3: proclaiming the goodness of God, and they're like, I don't 170 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 3: see that because I've been through this, and you don't 171 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 3: know that half that body of church has also been 172 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 3: through hell. Yeah, And so that's why it is important 173 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 3: for us to share is just for that sake alone. 174 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 4: No, that's really good. 175 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 5: I think that in my walk with the Lore, just 176 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 5: in growing up in the church and serving with homeless 177 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 5: shelters and just the work that my parents did, I 178 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 5: just always felt drawn to that part of who Jesus was. 179 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,119 Speaker 5: He was someone who wasn't afraid to enter into challenging 180 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 5: places and to go where people were hurting and to 181 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 5: be on the margins. I love the book. It's actually 182 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 5: called Compassion by Henry Now and it's a quote I 183 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 5: come back to a lot in this work, but it says, 184 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 5: Compassion asks us to go where it hurts, to enter 185 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 5: into places of pain, to share in brokenness, fear, confusion, 186 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 5: and anguish. Compassion means full immersion in the condition of 187 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 5: being human. And I think that the conversations we're going 188 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 5: to have around homelessness and trafficking and refugees and mental 189 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 5: health are all entering into those hard places. But it's 190 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 5: really important and I think Jesus leads the way in that, 191 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 5: and that's why I feel called into this because that's 192 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 5: who he was, and I think for those of us 193 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 5: in the church, that's where we need to be. We 194 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 5: need to be people who aren't afraid to enter into 195 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 5: those hard places and to have those kind of conversations. 196 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: When I was first thinking about getting into psychology, I 197 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: talked to a psychologist friend. I said to him, I 198 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: want to be a psychologist, and he said, that's fantastic. 199 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: I've got a question for you. Why are you so 200 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: messed up that you want to work with other people? 201 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: I thought it was a fantastic question, and as a psychologist, 202 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: I still feel like I'm pondering that question. But to 203 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: tie it back to our faith, God gives our suffering, 204 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: meaning I don't believe that any of us suffers without purpose. 205 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: And for me being able to go back and go 206 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: out and help other people and to be with them 207 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: in those dark places and to walk with them through 208 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: the most difficult times, it also gives my suffering meaning. 209 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: You know, it gives the struggles that I've been through purpose. 210 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: I've been through those things, and I've seen God work 211 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: through those things, and that gives me the power to 212 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: then reach a hand out to somebody else and say, 213 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: you're not alone in this. I'm here with you, and 214 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: God's here with you, and we all know that conceptually, 215 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: but internalizing that, being able to show it to people, 216 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: particularly when they're in their worst, darkest place, saying there 217 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: is love here, God does love here. There's no more 218 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: powerful message that we can deliver, because as great as 219 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: Ian's love is, it doesn't even touch God's love. 220 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 2: The Salvation Army's mission doing the most good means helping 221 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 2: people with material and spiritual needs. 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