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Speaker 2: All right, welcome to The Charlie Kirk Show, April first,

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Speaker 2: April fools Day, April fools Day. Welcome Blake here. We're here.

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Speaker 5: You know it's a fitting day because we have we

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Speaker 2: We're about to find out they Obviously, the Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: is hearing arguments over birthright citizenship, something we think is

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Speaker 2: stupid and not at all what the Fourteenth Amendment prescribes,

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Speaker 6: It was written children's like Chinese oligarchs.

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Speaker 2: Yep, CCP infiltrators. The fact that we even have to

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Speaker 2: But we're going to break it all down with Will

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Speaker 2: on x A great follow Will. Welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 4: Good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: You've been paying close attention this morning, and I think

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Speaker 2: What do you make of it? I'm hearing mixed results,

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I think it may have been made sense

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Speaker 2: That's doctor Matt Spalding. He is the professors have long titles,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, doctor Matt Spalden.

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Speaker 4: He great, Great to be with you guys. Again, Sorry

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Speaker 2: Can get life is you gotta have like the name

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Speaker 9: Sought one, Most of your brief is not about illegal aliens.

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Speaker 8: We agree there's a principle there at the fourteenth Amendment.

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Speaker 7: It is the jurisdiction means allegiance, the allegiance of a

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Speaker 7: The allegiance of an alien president in another country is

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Speaker 7: It comes right up to Fong Yui Ting and Ao

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Speaker 8: So that's the principle. That principle clearly applies.

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Speaker 10: jurisdiction is key. That's what they're debating. The eighteen sixty

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Speaker 10: six Civil Rights Act goes straight to that because they

438
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Speaker 10: talk about jurisdiction and they say, what it means is

439
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Speaker 10: that you have full and complete allegiance political allegiance to

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Speaker 10: this country and not someone else. So the debate is

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Speaker 10: whether does jurisdiction mean, oh, I abide by the stop

442
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Speaker 10: signs meaning local just kind of jurisdiction of live here,

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Speaker 10: or does it actually have subsident of meaning. Because if

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Speaker 10: it does have subsistence meaning, which is what the executive

445
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Speaker 10: or in this case is claiming, then the various steps

446
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Speaker 10: along the way and the cases can be read that way.

447
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Speaker 10: They do make minor distinctions here and there, but generally

448
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Speaker 10: speaking they hold up that argument and that's a consistent one.

449
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Speaker 10: But what it does mean is that someone who's simply

450
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Speaker 10: born here is not automatically a citizen. This jurisdiction question

451
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Speaker 10: really does matter, you know.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting actually, if you look at the language, there's

453
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Speaker 2: that comma between the first part of the clause or

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Speaker 2: the first clause, and the second clause, and half of

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Speaker 2: me is inclined to believe that if there just wasn't

456
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Speaker 2: a comma there, this would be so much Because I

457
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Speaker 2: read it, and to your point, it's very very clear.

458
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Speaker 2: It says all persons born or naturalized in the United

459
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Speaker 2: States and subjects to the jurisdiction thereof, meaning that they

460
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Speaker 2: work just together, just but they separate them so they

461
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Speaker 2: take you could fit the first clause or the second

462
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Speaker 2: clause and be a citizen and ship or be a citizen.

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Speaker 2: But to your point, the historical precedent and what we

464
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Speaker 2: where this language is derived from, clears it up even better.

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Speaker 2: I would say the language of the Civil Rights Act

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Speaker 2: is much stronger in some ways.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 10: And so the question then becomes, well, when they passed

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Speaker 10: through the amendment where they intentionally broadening the language of

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Speaker 10: the Civil Rights Act to mean anything, Well, then if

471
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Speaker 10: they wanted to do that, they should just drop the

472
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Speaker 10: clause entirely and not kept it in there. And indeed,

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Speaker 10: during the debate of the Civil Rights Act, there are

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Speaker 10: various times in which there are amendments made to clarify

475
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Speaker 10: well except for this, except for this, and the answer

476
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Speaker 10: was they didn't pass those amendments. You can find no

477
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Speaker 10: language in the debate or the eighteen sixty six Civil

478
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Speaker 10: Rights Act that says everyone who was born here is

479
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Speaker 10: a US citizen. That wasn't That was not the issue.

480
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Speaker 10: It's impossible to make that claim. So the claim then

481
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Speaker 10: is are the argument then is that, Okay, how can

482
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Speaker 10: we read this somehow to support birthrights citizenship the art.

483
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Speaker 10: My argument, which I think is the argument behind the

484
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Speaker 10: Executive order and the argument that many have been making

485
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Speaker 10: for some time now, is that the idea of birthright

486
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Speaker 10: citizenship that we all assume that you come here, you're born,

487
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Speaker 10: you're automatically an American citizens That is an aberration. That's

488
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Speaker 10: not the legal history, that's not the constitutional history. That's

489
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Speaker 10: also not the Supreme Court history, and it's just something

490
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Speaker 10: that's kind of come into being, which means that unless

491
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Speaker 10: Congress does something. One thing we should note here is

492
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Speaker 10: the Section five or the fourties minute says Congress can

493
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Speaker 10: pass legislation, but they have not done so, and until

494
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Speaker 10: they do so in the meantime because of the confusion.

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Speaker 4: This is exactly the conditions in.

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Speaker 10: Which a present would exist issue in Executive Order determining

497
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Speaker 10: a policy until Congress acts the policy the United States

498
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Speaker 10: is this, and that's exactly what he's doing, I think

499
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Speaker 10: powerfully are clearly based on the existing history tradition, support

500
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Speaker 10: Supreme Court decisions and trying to find a way that

501
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Speaker 10: gets around a lot of the confusion which is out

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Speaker 10: there on this particular subject.

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Speaker 5: I just so, I feel like one reason a lot

504
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Speaker 5: of us have gotten hope on Supreme Court cases is

505
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Speaker 5: we currently have a justice on the Court who's like

506
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Speaker 5: so off putting and so sort of dim that it

507
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Speaker 5: drives a lot of the justices away. We saw that

508
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Speaker 5: with Katanji Brown Jackson's ruling yesterday in the conversion therapy case,

509
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Speaker 5: where even Sodamior and Kagan are bashing her and saying

510
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Speaker 5: she doesn't understand the law.

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Speaker 6: Well, we're getting some of that today.

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Speaker 5: We're getting some very memorable jacksonisms about the law. I

513
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Speaker 5: want to play one of those. Let's play SOT eleven.

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Speaker 11: How does this work? Are you suggesting that when a

515
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Speaker 11: baby is born people have to have documents present documents?

516
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Speaker 11: Is this happening in the delivery room? How are we

517
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Speaker 11: determining when or whether a newborn child is a citizen

518
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Speaker 11: of the United States. Your rule turns on whether the

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Speaker 11: person intended to stay in the United States, And I

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Speaker 11: think Justice s Barrett brought this up. So we're bringing

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Speaker 11: pregnant women in for depositions? What what are we doing

522
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Speaker 11: to figure this out?

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Speaker 5: Like it's just idea birth certificate? What what's that I've

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Speaker 5: I've never heard of this. I feel like we have

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Speaker 5: to hope that that sort of argument maybe can make

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Speaker 5: the justices realize, wait, the position we're on the brink

527
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Speaker 5: of endorsing is insane, like it is built on insane premises.

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Speaker 6: Or am I just am I trying to find some

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Speaker 6: hope spot here?

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Speaker 10: Well, I don't know who part part of the Supreme

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Speaker 10: Court is predicting where they're going to go with these things,

532
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Speaker 10: and it's it's almost virtually impossible nowadays to do so.

533
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Speaker 10: But having said that, you're you're onto something and picking

534
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Speaker 10: up a certain absurdity in that line of question. The

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Speaker 10: distinction here, if I could use because some older language

536
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Speaker 10: is a distinction between uh kind of you know, citizens

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Speaker 10: by soil or citizens by blood. The old notion think

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Speaker 10: back when the Kings of England and feudalism and whatnot,

539
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Speaker 10: is if you were born in the king's soil, you're

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Speaker 10: the king's subject. That's actually ourning for birthright citizenship The

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Speaker 10: argument for Republican government I eat the United States is

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Speaker 10: birth by blood, which is say that, in lacking all

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Speaker 10: the documentations she might require for a full eighteen year

544
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Speaker 10: old person going to vote or something, the default is

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Speaker 10: their parents, which is, say to whom are their parents subject?

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Speaker 10: So if they're subjects to the King of England, they're

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Speaker 10: not Americans. They're subjects to the King of England. If

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Speaker 10: they're French citizensen or citizens from another country to which

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Speaker 10: they are loyal, their children are that citizenship as well.

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Speaker 10: That's the distinction that I think draws an absurdity of it.

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Speaker 12: The person's domicile is the place where he or she

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Speaker 12: intends to make a permanent hall. There are people who

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Speaker 12: are subject to removal at any time if they are

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Speaker 12: apprehended and they go through the proper procedures, but they

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Speaker 12: have in their minds made a permanent home. Here talk

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Speaker 12: about the legal capacity to create a domicile, excluding.

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Speaker 7: Someone who may have the subjective intent, which otherwise would

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Speaker 7: be determinative as being excluded on the humanitarian point.

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Speaker 8: Ivery point out, as I said at the.

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Speaker 7: Beginning Justice Alito, that the United States rule of nearly

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Speaker 7: unrestricted birthright citizenship.

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Speaker 8: Is an outlier among modern nations.

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Speaker 7: Every nation in Europe has a different role in the

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Speaker 7: notion that they have a huge humanitarian crisis as a

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Speaker 7: result of not having unrestricted birthright citizenship. I don't think

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Speaker 7: is a strong argument.

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Speaker 2: So nations that have repealed birthright citizenship since nineteen eighty

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Speaker 2: doctor Matt Spaulding. Australia got rid of it in two

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Speaker 2: thousand and seven, New Zealand got rid of it in

593
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Speaker 2: two thousand and five, Ireland two thousand and five, France

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three, India got rid of it in nineteen

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Speaker 2: eighty seven, the UK nineteen eighty three, Portugal nineteen eighty one.

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Speaker 2: Right give us a history lesson of where this even

597
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Speaker 2: came from, because it was really popular in the new

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Speaker 2: world to try it, you know, you know, import well

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Speaker 2: attract new new.

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Speaker 10: Thing. Think even broader than that. I kind of made

601
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Speaker 10: reference to it being in our last session. The old

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Speaker 10: notion of how one became a citizen is you took

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Speaker 10: on the citizenship. They didn't even use the word citizenship.

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Speaker 10: You were a subject. You took on the subject ship,

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Speaker 10: if you will, of your king. So if you're born

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Speaker 10: on the king sail, you're a subject to the king.

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Speaker 10: It's it's feudial, it's feudalism. America and the rise of

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Speaker 10: republican governments changed that. Now we had things going on

609
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Speaker 10: in America. One is, we needed population, so we were

610
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Speaker 10: encouraging and we were very broad on our immigration policies

611
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Speaker 10: because we're going to grow the nation and have more citizens.

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Speaker 10: Although even then, from the very beginning, we were careful

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Speaker 10: on who we encouraged, and if you came here, you

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Speaker 10: had to work hard and you had to learn to

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Speaker 10: be an American.

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Speaker 4: That was very important.

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Speaker 10: But the other point, and those that Clippy has showed

618
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Speaker 10: kind of starts getting to this question, is what's been

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Speaker 10: going on since then is around the world feudalism has

620
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Speaker 10: died out and kind of republican or democratic republics have

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Speaker 10: been spreading more so, more and more countries have been

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Speaker 10: getting it a birthrights citizenship.

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Speaker 4: And yet here we are the parent, if.

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Speaker 10: You will, of modern republican government and democratic republicanism. We're trying.

625
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Speaker 10: We're sticking with birthright citizens. It's just exactly backwards. But

626
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Speaker 10: the other point I want to make here is that

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Speaker 10: this question of consent, the essence of the of the

628
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Speaker 10: American principle is consent based on all men being equal,

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Speaker 10: the Declaration of Independence.

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Speaker 4: But consent tells us something about.

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Speaker 10: How our immigration laws should operate, which is say, it

632
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Speaker 10: has to be reciprocal. Someone has to want to come here. Okay,

633
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Speaker 10: that's part of it. But you can't come here on

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Speaker 10: your own and make yourself or your child an American citizen.

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Speaker 10: What you need to do is get reciprocal and consent,

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Speaker 10: which is that we consent to becoming a citizen. And

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Speaker 10: that's done how through our laws, which the executive is

638
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Speaker 10: empowered to enforce, and with a lack of laws, he

639
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Speaker 10: needs to figure out some sort of policy heinst his

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Speaker 10: executive order.

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Speaker 4: But there is a process.

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Speaker 10: And the problem is that of all the places in

643
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Speaker 10: the world, why are we somehow claiming a right, a

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Speaker 10: fundamental right that the Supreme Court should be able to

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Speaker 10: dictate on something that by all standards, all historical standards,

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Speaker 10: and increasing them by more and more countries around the world.

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Speaker 10: Is understood to be the lawful right of a sovereignty

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Speaker 10: to control its own citizenship. It can have a broad policy,

649
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Speaker 10: it can have a narrow policy. You can allow this,

650
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Speaker 10: it can allow that. But it's the decision of those

651
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Speaker 10: that are here who consent through the law to welcome

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Speaker 10: other people in and then have requirements you have to

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Speaker 10: get pass the citizenship test.

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Speaker 4: What it might be.

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Speaker 10: We can grant a special rights for those that are

656
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Speaker 10: purscued if we choose this policy really is truly an aberration.

657
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Speaker 10: As we said in that clip, this is not the

658
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Speaker 10: norm at all when it comes to Republican government.

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Speaker 5: It's just I feel like, honestly, if we want to

660
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Speaker 5: take the biggest thing, as we said, nations are repealing this,

661
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Speaker 5: and I think we should remind.

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Speaker 6: People of what the stakes of this are.

663
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Speaker 5: What we've seen happen because of this ridiculous interpretation of

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Speaker 5: the law we have. I believe they actually mentioned it

665
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Speaker 5: during the oral arguments. There are something like eight hundred

666
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Speaker 5: companies in China offering birth tourism to the Chinese.

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Speaker 2: We have this clip, Yes, sought eight.

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Speaker 6: Let's play that. Let's play sought eight.

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Speaker 8: Problem of birth tourism.

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Speaker 7: Year's the facts about it that I think is striking.

671
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Speaker 7: Media reported as early as twenty fifteen that, based on

672
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Speaker 7: Chinese media reports, there are five hundred five hundred birth

673
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Speaker 7: tourism companies in the People's Republic of China, who's what

674
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Speaker 7: business is to bring people here to give birth and

675
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Speaker 7: return to to that nation. Their interpretation has these implications

676
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Speaker 7: that could not possibly have been approved by the nineteenth

677
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Speaker 7: century framers of this amendment. I think that shows that

678
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Speaker 7: they made a mess. Their interpretation has made a mess

679
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Speaker 7: of the provision.

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Speaker 2: It's over so some estimates have it at a one

681
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Speaker 2: point five million Chinese residents that live in China are

682
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Speaker 2: American citizens. In theory, they could vote in our elections.

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Speaker 5: In our elections, but also move here, immediately, get taxpayer

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Speaker 5: funded college, immediately qualify for every program that we rig

685
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Speaker 5: that you can scam. I bet there's guides on how

686
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Speaker 5: to do that. Set up your own daycare while you

687
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Speaker 5: go to college here.

688
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Speaker 10: Think more broadly, for men, people have a broader narrow

689
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Speaker 10: view of immigration. I tend to think it's to be

690
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Speaker 10: more narrow and more selective. Having said that, there can

691
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Speaker 10: be a broader ray opinions. We're a free country. The

692
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Speaker 10: questions who controls that policy. And in a government a

693
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Speaker 10: country based in the rule of law, we control that policy.

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Speaker 10: That's what it means to be a free, self governing people.

695
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Speaker 10: The birth tourism problem coming especially from place like China,

696
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Speaker 10: and I'm sure others come here for the same reason.

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Speaker 10: Knowingly doing this is to establish citizenship, which gives them

698
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Speaker 10: certain rights claims. They might be thinking about getting other

699
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Speaker 10: benefits and whatnot. But I can tell you from the

700
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Speaker 10: point of view China, it's it's a strategic question. They

701
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Speaker 10: I foreign countries are trying to determine our policies, and

702
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Speaker 10: the more they can have people who can claim to

703
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Speaker 10: come and go as they choose in and out of

704
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Speaker 10: the country because they're citizens in the future renounce to

705
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Speaker 10: their benefits. So it is a large strategic problem. But

706
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Speaker 10: ultimately it's this larger moral constitutional question. Who can rolls

707
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Speaker 10: who was an American? Is that a right in and

708
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Speaker 10: of itself for anybody in the world, or is it

709
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Speaker 10: a right and a privilege which we understand and control

710
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Speaker 10: by our laws.

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Speaker 4: I think that's what's an issue here.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Matt Spalding of Hillsdale College, You're uh, You're in

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Speaker 2: d C. So I'm sure, it's all the all the

714
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Speaker 2: chatter uh in the in the in the city today,

715
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Speaker 2: and we we we pity you for having to live there,

716
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Speaker 2: but we're grateful that you do so with a clear

717
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Speaker 2: mind and common sense, which is which is a rare

718
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Speaker 2: virtue in that part.

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Speaker 10: So it's it's, it's it's it's not clear to me

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Speaker 10: what the Supreme Court will do. They can always come

721
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Speaker 10: up with different little twists and turns here and there.

722
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Speaker 10: But having said that, if they're to follow the history

723
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Speaker 10: of the Civil Rights Act, if they follow the history

724
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Speaker 10: of their own decisions wal kim ark this case, it's

725
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 10: always mentioned he was a permanent citizen. The executive order

726
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 10: makes room for precisely that condition, permanent resident, if they

727
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Speaker 10: follow a perfect resident, if they follow that, there is

728
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Speaker 10: an argument here, and there's an answer which I think

729
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Speaker 10: can be found consistent with the comments and good policy.

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Speaker 2: Hillsdale College. It's the best. Thank you, doctor Spalding.

731
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Speaker 4: Thank you great being with you guys.

732
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Speaker 2: Again, if you're a parent, you don't need to be

733
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Speaker 2: told that online safety is important. That's why TikTok has

734
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Speaker 2: over fifty pre set safety and privacy settings, and beyond that,

735
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Speaker 2: parents can set up family Pairing to help shape their

736
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Speaker 2: teens experience on the app. With family pairing, parents can

737
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Speaker 2: get visibility into their teens followers and who they follow,

738
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Speaker 2: help restrict content that's not right for them, and set

739
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Speaker 2: screen time limits. Parents can also set restricted times so

740
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Speaker 2: they're not on TikTok when they shouldn't be, because feeling

741
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Speaker 2: good about the time your teen spends online shouldn't come

742
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Speaker 2: with guess work. In addition to the already built in

743
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Speaker 2: safety and privacy protections, family pairing gives parents more tools

744
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Speaker 2: to shape their teens online experience based on what's right

745
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 2: for their family. Remember when safety comes first, discovery and

746
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: creativity can follow. Learn more by going to TikTok dot

747
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Speaker 2: com slash Guardian's Guide. We have a special guest and

748
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 2: that is Klee Conway. He is the GCU so Grand

749
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Speaker 2: Canyon University Chapter social Media Manager and chapter chaplain as well.

750
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Speaker 2: So we had a whole conversation yesterday with Selena Zito

751
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Speaker 2: from the Washington Examiner, and she was talking about her

752
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: own experience in like Pennsylvania. So she lives right near Pittsburgh,

753
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Speaker 2: and she says, young people are just getting baptized by

754
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Speaker 2: the droves and she's seeing this revival that I think

755
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Speaker 2: a lot of us had a question about after Charlie's assassination.

756
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 2: When you saw that revival, energy wasn't going to keep going,

757
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 2: and so we wanted to kind of bring it back

758
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Speaker 2: down to the student level with you and have you

759
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Speaker 2: in studio today to tell your story what you're seeing.

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Speaker 2: You're from Missouri, originally outside of Kansas City, and now

761
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Speaker 2: you live in Arizona, so you've got kind of multiple

762
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Speaker 2: perspectives here. Tell us your story, and you know you're

763
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Speaker 2: the chapter chaplain, which is pretty sweet, So just tell

764
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Speaker 2: us your story.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: So I was born and raised in a Christian household.

767
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Speaker 13: I had two really awesome parents that just led by example,

768
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Speaker 13: are pretty good role models. And I got saved when

769
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Speaker 13: I was about ten years old. And you know, when

770
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Speaker 13: you get saved that young, it's like I knew Jesus wanted,

771
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Speaker 13: like he was my savior, but I didn't know the

772
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Speaker 13: full weight of that yet. And I would say the

773
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Speaker 13: last couple of years, year and a half of my life,

774
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Speaker 13: there's just been a lot of life events majorly in

775
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Speaker 13: my life that happened. I lost my dad in April

776
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Speaker 13: of twenty twenty four, just completely unexpected. And that's when

777
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Speaker 13: I kind of just started diving deeper into my faith

778
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Speaker 13: and just to really understand why I believe these things

779
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Speaker 13: instead of sitting here and regurgitating this information that I

780
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Speaker 13: was being fed or just even like what my parents

781
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Speaker 13: had told me, Like, I wanted to sit there and

782
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Speaker 13: be like, why do I believe these things and actually

783
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Speaker 13: be confident and be able to sit here and say like, well,

784
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Speaker 13: this is why I believe this, or this is why

785
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Speaker 13: I choose Jesus my Lord and Savior. And it's just

786
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Speaker 13: kind of been a walk walk with that deeper and

787
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Speaker 13: deeper ever since then.

788
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Speaker 2: So it's amazing how trauma so often can lead us

789
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 2: to deeper walks in our faith with Jesus. I mean,

790
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Speaker 2: I certainly felt that after Charlie's assassination, maybe let's go there.

791
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Speaker 2: So you transferred to GCU or in Missouri? Where were

792
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: you when Charlie was killed?

793
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Speaker 13: I was actually here in GCU, so this, Yeah, So

794
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Speaker 13: I transferred to GCU the beginning of the academic year

795
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Speaker 13: last last year.

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Speaker 14: So I started last fall here at GCU when this

797
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Speaker 14: all happened.

798
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Speaker 2: What was it like on campus from a spiritual perspective

799
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Speaker 2: when that happened.

800
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Speaker 13: So on campus. Me personally, I feel like it was

801
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Speaker 13: a very big shift. And I was also fortunate enough

802
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Speaker 13: to be at the entire memorial there as well, and

803
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Speaker 13: you could just be in that building as well, you

804
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Speaker 13: could just feel that energy like there was just a revival.

805
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Speaker 13: Or it's like it's a feeling that it's hard to

806
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Speaker 13: sit there and explain because it just feels really surreal

807
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 13: at the same time sit it on camera right there, Yeah,

808
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Speaker 13: but it's like it was just awesome. I mean just

809
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 13: being in that place right there, It's just the worship

810
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 13: and just everything just going on, Like you could really

811
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Speaker 13: feel the presence of God just in the room. And

812
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Speaker 13: I also feel like that carried out through campus as well,

813
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 13: like that feeling was just there and it.

814
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Speaker 2: Was just students.

815
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Speaker 14: Yes, I did it was It was just really undeniably there.

816
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Speaker 5: Blake, I don't know well, and we always love to

817
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Speaker 5: ask how did it how did it evolve over time,

818
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Speaker 5: because we've certainly seen evidence there's been a sustained spiritual

819
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Speaker 5: revival in some places. Obviously there was a tremendous surge

820
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Speaker 5: in the days afterwards. We saw that outside of our

821
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Speaker 5: own UH headquarters here, but maybe just lay out for

822
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Speaker 5: us the response or what you saw from students Charlie's legacy.

823
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Speaker 5: A month later and now we're six months later, I would.

824
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Speaker 13: Say within like a month afterwards, like there was a

825
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Speaker 13: lot of like, Oh, I'm going to step up, I'm

826
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Speaker 13: going to start believing these things.

827
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Speaker 14: I'm going to start speaking out more.

828
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Speaker 13: And as much as I love would love that was

829
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Speaker 13: continued at that extent, it definitely has died down a

830
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Speaker 13: little bit. But I definitely don't think it's like below

831
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Speaker 13: the threshold than that. It was, like, it's definitely exceeded

832
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Speaker 13: there and it's stayed there. So that energy and that

833
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 13: spiritual just that presence of God has one hundred percent

834
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Speaker 13: been there this entire time and it's still I wass

835
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Speaker 13: sit here and say it still is.

836
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think anyone would be surprised by that.

837
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Speaker 5: I think a remark I made closer to it is

838
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Speaker 5: would the surge last for everyone?

839
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Speaker 15: Know?

840
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Speaker 5: But there would be at least a few people, even

841
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Speaker 5: if it was one person, But it's probably more than

842
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Speaker 5: that where that moment will completely transform their life going forwards,

843
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Speaker 5: and each of those little moments does matter a tremendous amount.

844
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean you think of the parable of the Sower, right,

845
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Speaker 2: you know, it's the parable of the sower says that

846
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Speaker 2: the seeds of faith are scattered, and some land on

847
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 2: good soil, some on rocky soil, you know, and that's

848
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Speaker 2: just going to be the case. It's a spiritual reality,

849
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Speaker 2: you know. So I but I'm I'm careful because I

850
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 2: actually believe that revival starts with repentance. And I remember

851
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: when Charlie was killed, you know, and I've told this story.

852
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 2: I actually told it, I think on the Alex Clark

853
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 2: podcast where it was I felt this. I don't know

854
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 2: if it was fear, but it was it was something.

855
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: I realized that everything that we had, we had built,

856
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: it was about to change dramatically, and I was resistant

857
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Speaker 2: to it. And then I remember I was sitting in

858
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Speaker 2: my hotel room and I just repented and I just said, Lord,

859
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Speaker 2: whatever you have for me, I say yes to and

860
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Speaker 2: and I apologized for fighting that right. And I'm curious

861
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 2: if you have a similar story with what after your

862
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 2: dad passed away? And I'm sorry to hear that. And

863
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 2: you know, did you know this sort of surrendering to

864
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Speaker 2: God's will in your life?

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Speaker 13: Did And I appreciate that, so thank you. It was

866
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Speaker 13: really weird because at first I when it all happened, obviously,

867
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Speaker 13: like I was so confused and like, well, why would

868
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Speaker 13: you take my dad away? Especially I'm the oldest of

869
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Speaker 13: four kids, so I have three younger siblings, and it

870
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Speaker 13: was just like I'm the oldest. I at the time,

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Speaker 13: I was nineteen, and like, how are you going to

872
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 13: sit here and take a father away that had laid

873
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 13: a great foundation and just instilled all these great principles

874
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 13: and was such a good guy compared to a lot

875
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 13: of people out in this world right now? Like how

876
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 13: are you going to just take him away unexpected unexpectedly

877
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 13: from us? And it was really hard because I wrestled

878
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 13: with that a lot. I was really confused, and I

879
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 13: was really angry, and I honestly I lashed out at

880
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 13: God a lot. And it got to the point where

881
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 13: it was like I instilled this one statement in my head.

882
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 13: It was like, I'm not sad, I'm not here to

883
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 13: understand your plan. I'm here to trust your plan. And

884
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 13: as more, I kind of shifted my mindset into letting

885
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 13: Jesus come in and help carry this burden rather than

886
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 13: trying to take it on to my like myself, because

887
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 13: if I could fix these things myself, I would have

888
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 13: already fixed I would have fixed everything already. And the

889
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 13: reality is we can't fix it ourselves, and we need

890
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 13: a savior. So once I took Jesus in and helped,

891
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 13: like had him help me carry that burden of the loss,

892
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 13: the anger, the grief, the sadness, all these emotions that

893
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 13: are like super super heavy. This feeling of just overcoming

894
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 13: peace and joy that I had it was just so overbearing.

895
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 14: But yet I didn't understand it.

896
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 13: And it's hard to sit there and like almost say

897
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 13: that as well, because it's like, well, how do I

898
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 13: sit here and feel so much peace and joy yet

899
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 13: in one of the deepest, darkest times of my life.

900
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 2: Well, the scriptures say that God will be close to

901
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: the broken hearted, So there's that. I'm gonna read this

902
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 2: sower verse. Here a farmer went out to sow his seed.

903
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 2: This is Jesus talking as he was scattering the seed.

904
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 2: Some fell along the path and the birds came and

905
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 2: ate it up. Some fell on rocky places where it

906
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 2: did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly because

907
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 2: the soil was shallow. But when the sun came up.

908
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 2: The plants were scorched, and they withered because they had

909
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 2: no root. Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up

910
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 2: and choked the plants. Still, other seed fell on good soil,

911
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: where it produced a crop one hundred and sixty or

912
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: thirty times what was sown. Whoever has ears, let them here.

913
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 2: So much of life is the sewer, the parable of

914
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 2: the sewer. It's interesting too, by the way, when I

915
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 2: typed it into Google, it was the first parable that

916
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 2: came up, massively important parable.

917
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 6: It might have been your computer spying on you.

918
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: I could have been. It could have been. I want

919
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 2: to tell you guys at GCU Grand Canyon University, how

920
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 2: many students go to GCU now, I.

921
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 13: Honestly, I was gonna say probably like about thirty thousand.

922
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 13: They're huge Now it's pretty big now.

923
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 2: So Riley Gaines is actually going to be doing a

924
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 2: pick up the Mic event at GCU on April ninth.

925
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: I think we have the graphic if you guys want

926
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 2: to throw that up. So that's pretty sweet. You guys

927
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: just lock that in.

928
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 13: Yeah, we just got it finalized the other day. Now

929
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 13: we're advertising like crazy.

930
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 2: Oh, it's gonna be great. She's she's really good at

931
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 2: the live events too. We love Riley. She's doing a

932
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 2: great job. So if you are in the student body,

933
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 2: I guess is it open to non students or is

934
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 2: it only students? I think it's only student.

935
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 14: I think it's only students. I could be wrong, but

936
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 14: don't put me on.

937
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 2: That Riley Gaines at GCUS. Let's talk about that. She's

938
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 2: a lady, you're not. So what's the dynamic on campus

939
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 2: between the ladies and the gentlemen? Are we? Because we

940
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 2: had some students on and they were basically saying, there

941
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 2: is some tension. The girls don't like the guys, the

942
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 2: guys don't like the girls. They have different expectations of

943
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 2: what a relationship is. Has that been your experience, I

944
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 2: would say so yes.

945
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 13: I would say there is some tension and some friction there.

946
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 13: But I also think that stems from a lot of

947
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 13: different things. And I feel like this is a topic

948
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 13: I could go on and on about, to be honest,

949
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 13: but part I think one of the main issues with

950
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 13: it is like there's just not enough men being men honestly,

951
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 13: like we need to be more masculine.

952
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 14: There's a lot.

953
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 13: I would say there's a lot more females trying to

954
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 13: step up and be that masculine figure other than the

955
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 13: men stepping up and really being the true leaders or

956
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 13: being the real masculine figures in that and we kind

957
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 13: of just let it happen, like there's just not much control.

958
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 13: It's almost like a oh, you kind of got it.

959
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 13: Like I'm going to chill out. You can run the

960
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,479
Speaker 13: show if you like. I'm going to just sit here

961
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 13: and not do a whole bunch. And I think that

962
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 13: stim I think that just creates a lot more issues

963
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 13: in itself.

964
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 2: Well, it's the sin of adam actually actually you know

965
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 2: passivity right where sin of omission, where we're not stepping

966
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 2: up being leaders as God has intended men to be.

967
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 2: So there's this interesting dynamic that's going on. I don't

968
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 2: know if you've seen this Blake, but Isabelle Brown said

969
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 2: that women should get married and have more babies stot seventeen.

970
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 16: You're not encouraging your children to grow up and have

971
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 16: the courage to get married and have kids, more kids

972
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 16: than they can afford before they think they're ready. It

973
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 16: is high time to start. It is these choices like

974
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 16: deleting our dating apps and putting birth control pills and

975
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 16: saying I do at the altar that ultimately trickle down

976
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 16: into the political policies that we will see save our country.

977
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 2: Well, the ladies of Debut did not like this. Became

978
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 2: a whole thing, a team what my what is she?

979
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 2: What the what? What?

980
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 8: What?

981
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 11: What?

982
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 2: Well?

983
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 17: So my ultimate beef with this is that it wraps

984
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 17: a woman's worth up in her ovar East. The fact

985
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 17: that we keep putting this on women that they're only

986
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 17: worth in society, politics, policies is if they produce a

987
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 17: baby or have a husband is the stupidest, most old

988
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 17: fashioned thing. We have come too far.

989
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 18: There is the call to responsibility for the men who

990
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 18: make who helped make these children.

991
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 4: I am.

992
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 18: I don't know why it's always people lecturing women what

993
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 18: they have to do online. If you're not paying my bills,

994
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 18: you don't get to tell me what I do with

995
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 18: my utilator.

996
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 2: I feel like Anna Navarro is the perfect living embodiment

997
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: of exactly what you're talking about.

998
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 5: I just think it's it's so funny because they can

999
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 5: just do this bland stuff and then everyone claps like

1000
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 5: a seal. I must say, yeah, okay, if you use

1001
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 5: your brain why would this maybe matter. Well, if you

1002
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 5: don't have kids, your civilization ceases to exist period. Maybe

1003
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 5: that's why, Maybe that's why there was something but presume

1004
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 5: value to doing that.

1005
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 2: Asabelle was not saying your only value is in your ovaries.

1006
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 2: She was saying, it's a good thing to point two

1007
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 2: to aim to, so you should do it because it's

1008
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 2: a blessing. By the way, it is a blessing. Children

1009
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 2: are a blessing from the Lord. And they're hard, they're expensive,

1010
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 2: they take a lot of time, totally worth it. Anyways,

1011
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 2: So you're seeing this energy on campus, am I right?

1012
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 2: I would say so.

1013
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 14: One.

1014
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 13: I think it stems from you see kind of this

1015
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 13: stuff online and it just kind of trickles down and

1016
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 13: it's like you get a really very twisted worldview no

1017
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 13: matter what side of the spectrum you are on when

1018
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 13: it comes to certain beliefs or ideologies, whatever it may be,

1019
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 13: it trickles down and it starts with society in my opinion,

1020
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 13: And then also men just don't want to sit here

1021
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 13: and do anything about it for the most part, at

1022
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 13: least in my generation. Like I just see a lot

1023
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 13: of dudes get over and they kind of just take

1024
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 13: it sometimes I'm like, guys, we need to step up

1025
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 13: and be real men. We need to start leading better,

1026
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 13: lead by example, and do these things that real men do.

1027
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 2: I totally agree. I don't think men are the problem.

1028
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 2: I think they're the solution. I think if it because

1029
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 2: here's a couple things. Two things. If you value children,

1030
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 2: if you create spaces in your society to have children,

1031
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 2: whether that's at restaurants or parks or games or whatever,

1032
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 2: that is a good thing. If you value children, you

1033
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 2: will have more children as a society. So point one, men,

1034
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,720
Speaker 2: if you value strong men, you will get more strong men.

1035
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 2: If you value passivity, if you tell them that they

1036
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 2: are toxically masculine and that they are the villains in

1037
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 2: this story, men are going to opt out. It's the

1038
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 2: sin of Adam. We get passive and we let the

1039
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 2: women run rough shot. That's not a healthy society either.

1040
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 2: I believe deeply, deeply, deeply that women want strong men

1041
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 2: to lead. They want them to be productive, they want

1042
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 2: them to have vision, they want them to be full

1043
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 2: of life, full of vision. And when women in this

1044
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 2: this progressive feminist mindset put try and put men in

1045
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 2: a corner. What are men gonna do? They're not gonna

1046
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 2: rise to the occasion if you tell them they're the

1047
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 2: evil villain. You know, uh in the story, They're going

1048
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 2: to opt out, They're gonna go play video games, They're

1049
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 2: gonna get walked on. You're the chaplain of your of

1050
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 2: your chapter here, which is a cool title. Not all

1051
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 2: of our chapters have. I think we should. Actually, what's

1052
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 2: your what's your read on this? What's your message? What

1053
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 2: are you telling young men? Your age?

1054
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 14: Young men?

1055
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 13: I tell my age just like it's time for even

1056
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 13: though if you feel this way and like you kind

1057
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 13: of want to sit here, like like you said, and

1058
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 13: you get back to a corner whatever, like it's we

1059
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 13: are the solution anyways, Like we still have to step up,

1060
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 13: Like you still have to be able to one work

1061
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 13: on yourself and figure out these beliefs, figure out what

1062
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 13: you truly believe in, what you stand for, and have

1063
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 13: a real passion, and you need to have goals, and

1064
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 13: you need to have purpose with your life.

1065
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 14: You need to be purposeful.

1066
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,479
Speaker 13: Women want someone that is gonna be very purposeful, someone

1067
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 13: that's going to go out there and go do something,

1068
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 13: someone that wants to actually get stuff done. And there's

1069
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 13: I don't think I see a lot of that, and

1070
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 13: just being able to take action on just something as

1071
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 13: simple as it sounds something like that can create a

1072
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 13: huge difference with a lot of that stuff.

1073
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 2: I totally agree. I think I hate that men tend

1074
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 2: to opt out. I think it's a it's a nihilism

1075
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 2: that's seeped in. But they've been told that they're the

1076
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 2: problem for over a generation now. And what do you

1077
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 2: think is going to happen when you tell young men

1078
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 2: that they're terrible and not worth anything and they're the

1079
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 2: villains and toxic and all this stuff.

1080
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 5: Men can do incredible things, but you have to want

1081
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 5: them to do incredible things.

1082
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 2: That's exactly right, That's exactly right. There's another clip here

1083
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 2: that's kind of interesting about affordability. I'm not gonna play

1084
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 2: it's too long, but it's like, you know, just says,

1085
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 2: I think it's really reckless. This is from the view

1086
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 2: to be suggesting that people should have children when you

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Speaker 2: know there's this country's have an affordability crisis. Final note,

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Speaker 2: children will never be affordable, they'll never be convenient. You

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Speaker 2: could still have them. Guess what, You'll find a way

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Speaker 2: your You will make space in your life for children.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't mean be reckless. It doesn't mean do it

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Speaker 2: when you don't have a job or something like that.

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Speaker 2: But guess what, you might have children and then you

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Speaker 2: lose your job. You gotta find a way out. Orienting

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Speaker 2: your life around the next generation is always always a

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Speaker 2: good thing. Kle ten seconds. You have a show.

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Speaker 13: I actually have a platform where I talk about my

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Speaker 13: personal testimony in a Christian worldview things and it's just

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Speaker 13: Kale Conway kl E co.

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Speaker 14: O, n W A Y, Facebook and Instagram.

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Speaker 2: Check it out. Kale, You're a good man. We need

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Speaker 2: more like you.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 14: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I just watched a Great Awakening and I

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Speaker 2: have to tell you this isn't just another historical drama.

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Speaker 2: It's a wake up call that you all need to

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Speaker 2: pay attention to. We spend so much time talking about

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Speaker 2: seventeen seventy six and constitutions and congresses and declarations, but

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Speaker 2: this film reminds you of something even deeper. Before the Revolution,

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Speaker 2: there was revelation George Whitfield wasn't a politician. He was

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Speaker 2: a preacher. And yet watching this film, you see how

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00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 2: his fearless proclamation of liberty in christ shook the colonies

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Speaker 2: to their core. It unified people who had nothing else

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00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 2: uniting him, and that is power. What really struck me

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00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 2: was the portrayal of Benjamin Franklin. He's this brilliant rational mind,

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00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 2: and yet he's drawn into genuine friendship with Whitfield, not

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Speaker 2: because he suddenly becomes someone else, but because he begins

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00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 2: to see freedom isn't structural, it's spiritual. The film makes

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Speaker 2: one thing clear, you cannot sustain political liberty without moral

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Speaker 2: and spiritual awakening. In theaters April third, visit a Great

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Speaker 2: Awakening dot com to learn more today A Great Awakening

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Speaker 2: dot Com to learn more today.

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Speaker 5: Alrighty, well, we talked about this back when they were

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Speaker 5: introducing it, but we believe in really flogging this. This

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00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 5: is a very important race. We're talking, of course, about

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00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 5: the Virginia reds stricting referendum. To remind everyone catch them

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Speaker 5: up to speed. We've been Republicans in a few states

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Speaker 5: have redrawn maps in Texas and Florida.

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Speaker 6: We wanted them to redraw them in Indiana, and the Indiana.

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Speaker 2: Republicans said, now, we do good Republicans do.

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Speaker 5: But Democrats have not sat still, so they redrew the

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Speaker 5: maps in California. But the most aggressive one that we're

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Speaker 5: seeing is an attempt to redraw the map in Virginia.

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Speaker 5: So basically half their seats, all our little slivers coming

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Speaker 5: out of Fairfax County, the blue part of the state.

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Speaker 5: They believe that they can get them to a ten

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Speaker 5: to one Democrat advantage in Virginia. And so we wanted

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Speaker 5: to welcome back Senator Glenn Sturtivant. He is a Virginia

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Speaker 5: Republican Senator. He's been helping spearhead the battle against this referendum. Senator,

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Speaker 5: are you there.

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Speaker 15: I'm here, Yeah, thanks for having me back.

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Speaker 5: Guys, welcome, So set the stakes for those of our

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Speaker 5: We have quite a few listeners in Virginia. Hopefully they voted.

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Speaker 5: You guys are in early voting right now. Tell us

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Speaker 5: what's the state of the battle. Do we have a

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Speaker 5: shot of winning this one?

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Speaker 15: This is a David and Goliath battle. But what is

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00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 15: I think becoming clearer and clearer every day is that

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Speaker 15: we actually do have a shot at winning This election

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Speaker 15: day is April twenty first. But as you said, we

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Speaker 15: were in the midst of early voting right now. Virginia

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00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:21,959
Speaker 15: has some of the longest early voting of any state

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Speaker 15: in the country. We've got forty five days of early voting,

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Speaker 15: so that's been ongoing now for two or three weeks,

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Speaker 15: and we've got three weeks to go as of yesterday

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Speaker 15: until the last day to vote. And what is really

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00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:38,439
Speaker 15: interesting is the folks who kind of look deeply at

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00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 15: the data and the numbers, it would indicate that we

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Speaker 15: are seeing much higher turnout in the heavy Republican areas

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Speaker 15: and much lower turnout than normal in the heavy Democrat areas.

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Speaker 15: So Virginia, we are not used to having elections in April.

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Speaker 15: This is the first time this has ever happened. So

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Speaker 15: it is Virginians are being bombarded on television and YouTube

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Speaker 15: and online with ads from the other side. They've basically

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Speaker 15: got unlimited money. I think they've received about thirty million

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Speaker 15: dollars so far from jakeem Jeffreys and George Soros and

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Speaker 15: other left wing dark money groups. And then on our side,

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Speaker 15: I think we've only been able to put together about

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Speaker 15: five million dollars and I saw today another five million

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Speaker 15: maybe coming in. But so far we have been outgunned

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Speaker 15: on the money, outgunned.

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Speaker 4: On the ads.

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Speaker 15: But it really has been a people powered grassroots movement

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Speaker 15: of Virginians who have seen what the Democrats, now that

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Speaker 15: they control the Governor's mansion and both chambers of the

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Speaker 15: General Assembly, what they've been up to the last few months.

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Speaker 15: The people are fed up and pushing back, thankfully.

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Speaker 5: It's so crazy that you can't get more funding for

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Speaker 5: this because you think of the amount of money that'll

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Speaker 5: be thrown into our elections. In a single Senate race,

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00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 5: you might see over hundreds of millions of dollars spent.

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Speaker 5: At this point, you'll see many millions spent on a

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Speaker 5: single house race, and this is effectively four or five

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Speaker 5: house races in a single go through.

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Speaker 6: The method of this referendum.

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Speaker 5: But to show how seriously Democrats are taking it, they've

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Speaker 5: actually drawn a prominent Democrat out of retirement, none other

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Speaker 5: than Barack Obama has Barack Hussein Obama has come out

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Speaker 5: to campaign for this.

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Speaker 6: We actually have a clip of him. Let's play twenty one.

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Speaker 19: Free and fair elections are the cornerstone of our democracy,

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Speaker 19: but right now they are under threat. Over the past year,

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Speaker 19: several Republican controlled states have taken the unprecedented step of

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Speaker 19: redrawing their congressional maps. In the middle of the decade,

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Speaker 19: and they've done it for a simple reason, to give

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Speaker 19: themselves an unfair advantage in the mid terms this fall

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Speaker 19: in April. Virginians can respond by making sure your voting

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Speaker 19: power is not diminished by what Republicans are doing in

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Speaker 19: other states.

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Speaker 4: Help us chart a.

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Speaker 19: Better path forward to do there well ly. Vote begins

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Speaker 19: on March sixth. Election day is a twenty first. Oh yes, Virginia.

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Speaker 6: I think it's very revealing.

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Speaker 5: They flashed a bunch of maps there for those of

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Speaker 5: you who are listening later. They showed Missouri, they showed Texas,

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Speaker 5: but they did not show the Virginia and what their

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Speaker 5: map is?

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Speaker 16: Uh.

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Speaker 5: And I want to before I'll ask you, I should

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Speaker 5: remind people what the text of this referendum is, because

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Speaker 5: it's truly one of the most egregious, appalling examples of

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Speaker 5: distortion I've ever seen from an official election document. This

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Speaker 5: is the wording on the ballot. Should the Constitution of

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Speaker 5: Virginia be amended to allow the General Assembly to temporarily

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Speaker 5: adopt new congressional districts to restore fairness in the upcoming elections,

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Speaker 5: while ensuring Virginia's standard process resumes for all future redistricting.

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Speaker 5: So just could we please restore fairness? Don't you don't

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Speaker 5: oppose fairness to you, but remind our listeners exactly what

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Speaker 5: districts they are planning to impose on the state here.

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Speaker 6: What do they look like?

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Speaker 15: Oh, we have eleven Congression districts in Virginia currently under

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Speaker 15: the current maps, we have six Democrat members of Congress

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Speaker 15: and five Republican members of Congress. And that lines up

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Speaker 15: very very well with how Virginia voted statewide in the

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Speaker 15: twenty twenty four presidential election. We have been rated as

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Speaker 15: having a plus fair maps from an anti jerrymandering perspective.

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Speaker 15: We actually five years ago voted to amend our constitution

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Speaker 15: in Virginia to get rid of partisan jerrymandering and to

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Speaker 15: create a nonpartisan redistricting commission, which is what created the

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Speaker 15: maps that we are currently working with. And now Democrats

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Speaker 15: are trying to jam through this amendment to the amendment.

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Speaker 15: This is another constitutional amendment that they are now pushing

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Speaker 15: to give them this quote unquote temporary power to jerrymander again.

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Speaker 15: And as you said, Blake, all of these districts essentially

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Speaker 15: begin and end in Fairfax.

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Speaker 14: There is a we.

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Speaker 2: Have an right now.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if you can see it, but we

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Speaker 6: have it. You can see.

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Speaker 5: You've got these little tendrils snaking all across the state. One, two, three,

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Speaker 5: four of them go through Fairfax County at least, and

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Speaker 5: then like two other snake up pretty close to it,

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Speaker 5: but don't get there.

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Speaker 6: It's one of the wildest things I've ever seen. And

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Speaker 6: you can see.

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Speaker 5: It takes us from you know, a few safe blue states,

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01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 5: a few safe red seats, to just all of these

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Speaker 5: blue leaning seats.

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Speaker 6: It's one of the.

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Speaker 5: Utterly it's an abomination to look upon.

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Speaker 15: And for people who don't know Virginia that that big

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Speaker 15: red area which the Democrats want to be our sole

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Speaker 15: congressional seat is southwest Virginia, which is very very sparsely

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Speaker 15: populated and there are no Democrats down there, so that

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Speaker 15: if that would be the the loan Republican seat, it

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Speaker 15: looks large, but it's you know, a single congressional district.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I want to go back to this Obama clip, which,

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Speaker 2: to underscore Blake's point, he shows he does not talk

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Speaker 2: about Virginia and he doesn't acknowledge the fact that Virginia

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Speaker 2: is six' Five democrats get six, Seats republicans tend to

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Speaker 2: get five in a state That kamala won by plus. Six.

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Speaker 2: AM i, right you just had A republican, Governor Glenn,

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Speaker 2: youngkin and so now you've now you've Got. Spamberger explain

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Speaker 2: this this kind of, Ropodope this this move That democrats

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Speaker 2: are doing In virginia where they present themselves as moderates

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Speaker 2: and you, Know spanburger looks like this sort of clean

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01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 2: moderate vision and then when they do, this they sell

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Speaker 2: you the moderation and then they seem to GO i

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Speaker 2: call it going Full virginia because it's like it deserves

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Speaker 2: its own. Category now are they? Moderates?

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Speaker 15: No and to hear you call it Full virginia hurts my, heart.

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Speaker 15: Man but it's, sad and it's what we are living

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Speaker 15: through right, now and it is a preview for what

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01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 15: the rest of the country is going to get If

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01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 15: democrats are likely to continue you nominating these folks, who,

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Speaker 15: again like you, said appear on paper to be, moderates

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01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 15: but when they get in office go full left. Wing

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Speaker 15: it was. Not spamberger wasn't a day in office before

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Speaker 15: she got rid of all Of Governor youenkin's policies that

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Speaker 15: allowed our law enforcement to cooperate WITH ice to get

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Speaker 15: illegal aliens out Of. Virginia she undid that on day,

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Speaker 15: one and they had been pushing ever since to Make

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Speaker 15: virginia a solid sanctuary state for illegal. Aliens we just

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01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 15: finished up Our General assembly session about two weeks. Ago

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Speaker 15: they are moving very quickly on Eliminating Virginian's Second amendment,

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Speaker 15: rights making it impossible to buy and own common everyday

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01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 15: firearms and. Magazines they had legislation to raise taxes on

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Speaker 15: anything that, moved and they're they're also working to raise

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01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 15: electric rates by Putting virginia back in This Northeast consortium

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Speaker 15: kind of green new deal thing that they Called. Reggie so,

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Speaker 15: yeah to your, Point spamberger has always presented herself as,

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Speaker 15: this you, know suburban mom moderate we all knew from

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Speaker 15: her time In, congress despite the propaganda that she was

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Speaker 15: A Nancy Pelosi democrat and very. Liberal they were able,

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Speaker 15: TO i, think pull a fast one on a lot

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Speaker 15: Of virginians this Past, november and we're now seeing the

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Speaker 15: fruits of. That AND i think that the bright, spot

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Speaker 15: to the extent there is, one is that people are

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Speaker 15: waking up very. Quickly AND i have not seen this

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Speaker 15: sort of pushback and level of activism since The Tea

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Speaker 15: party movement of fifteen years.

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Speaker 5: Ago, Well, senator thank you for coming, On thank you

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Speaker 5: for the. Fight if you live In virginia and you're

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Speaker 5: listening to this and you haven't, voted go vote, now

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Speaker 5: turn off this, episode go vote.

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Speaker 6: Now get it.

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Speaker 5: Done you have a few more days that you can do.

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Speaker 5: It final day is on the twenty. First this is

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Speaker 5: worth five house seats by. Itself we have to spare

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Speaker 5: the whole country sadly from going a Full.

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Speaker 6: Virginia thank you, Again.

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Speaker 14: Senator thanks, Guy.

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Speaker 2: Hi. Folks Andrew colvett, Here i'd like to tell you

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Speaker 2: about my friends over at Why. Refi you've probably been

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Speaker 2: hearing me talk about Why refi for some time. Now

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Speaker 2: thousands of dollars and you can get your life. Back

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Speaker 2: student after student who's drowning in private student loan. Debt

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Speaker 2: Friend andrews sent. You so every so, Often, blake there

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Speaker 2: is a moment captured on film that seems to distill

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Speaker 2: the insanity of progressive. Ideology and very often that clip

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Speaker 2: comes From. Canada yes in this, case all, right so

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Speaker 2: let me set the. Stage the twenty twenty six FEDERAL

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Speaker 2: ndp Leadership convention was called In winnipeg In. Canada New Democrat.

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Speaker 5: Party they're the party even left of you, know Justin trudeau's,

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Speaker 5: party The Liberal, party so super.

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Speaker 2: Liberal so they didn't go viral for their, policies you,

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Speaker 2: know housing their awful ideal ideas about inflation or healthcare

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Speaker 2: and how they can kill more people through. Euthanasia they

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Speaker 2: viral for something called equity. Cards, now if you are

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Speaker 2: a person that came to this. Convention you were given

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Speaker 2: a gender or gender identity, card which would be. Green

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Speaker 2: you were given it race or ethnicity card if you're not,

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01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 2: white and that would be pink or. Purple you had

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Speaker 2: a card For indigenous, STATUS lgbtq plus, status or a disability. Status,

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Speaker 2: now what these cards are intended to do was give

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Speaker 2: you the ability to jump into. Line so if there's

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Speaker 2: a queue that's, formed a line that's formed to ask

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01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 2: a question and force a debate on a certain, policy

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01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:41,679
Speaker 2: you could jump the debate over the white people if

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Speaker 2: you had one of these. Cards it was designed to

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Speaker 2: give diverse viewpoints more consideration and priority over white people's. Viewpoints,

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Speaker 2: Essentially so what did that result? In i'll let you

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Speaker 2: see PLACE sot. Eighteen there's a point of privilege on

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Speaker 2: my persfone.

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Speaker 14: One we'll go to microphone.

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Speaker 8: Three go, ahead.

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Speaker 2: Delegate, yes, HELLO i was standing here with my gender

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Speaker 2: equity card before you called on the previous.

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Speaker 8: Speaker that's my point of. PRIVILEGE i would like to.

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Speaker 20: HER, i, well yesterday this card was used in an inappropriate.

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Speaker 20: Matter and WHILE i understand In ontario we know this is,

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Speaker 20: equity even if that this was also used inappropriate in

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Speaker 20: terms of. GENDER i want everyone to be mindful that

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Speaker 20: these cards for individuals like myself who identify as a

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Speaker 20: black woman have no value outside of this.

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Speaker 5: Space so they're handing out equity cards that you're supposed

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Speaker 5: to flex to jump in.

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Speaker 2: Line you cant.

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Speaker 5: Privilege we laugh at, this but this is there's a

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Speaker 5: deadly serious kernel, here which is we have struggles In

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Speaker 5: america OVER, dei where we, have despite our, constitution systematic

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Speaker 5: discrimination based on race or. Sex but at least In,

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Speaker 5: america our laws say it's not supposed to be that.

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Speaker 5: Way you're not supposed to, discriminate and that gives us

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Speaker 5: reason for, hope it gives us ways to, counterattack and

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Speaker 5: the vibe is mostly against. It canada is not like.

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Speaker 5: That canada is the true call it post liberal. Country

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Speaker 5: In canada, actually in their laws they just explicitly say

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Speaker 5: if you are a black, person or if you are

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Speaker 5: an indigenous, person you should be punished less for the same.

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Speaker 5: Crime you can create a job opening In canada for you,

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Speaker 5: know a university professor for, anything basically and just say

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Speaker 5: white men are not allowed to apply for this. Job

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Speaker 5: and it's not because it's an acting. Job where you

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Speaker 5: need someone who looks a certain. Way it's not because

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Speaker 5: it's a sports. Job it's specifically just a neutral.

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Speaker 6: Job white men need not. Apply that is What canada has.

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Speaker 5: Become and what you just saw there heard there is,

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Speaker 5: cartoonish but that is what the left. Wants they want

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Speaker 5: A it is truly a it's not even the. Future

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01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:00,080
Speaker 5: it's not a. Decline it's a regression back to the

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Speaker 5: way the world was before The American.

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Speaker 6: Revolution The American, revolution.

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Speaker 5: One of its core bits was that all men are created. Equal,

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Speaker 5: actually we're going to abolish all feudal. Status they want

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Speaker 5: to restore feudal status where who your parents are is

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Speaker 5: more important than what you, do that what you look.

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Speaker 2: Like that is a visual representation of a regression to

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Speaker 2: a predeclaration of independence world where you have sectarianism and

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Speaker 2: tribalism ruling the. Day because this was designed to operationalize

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Speaker 2: equality or equity in real. Time and what did you see?

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01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 2: Happen the oppressive Oppression olympics played out for all to

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Speaker 2: see where this group said that they were more oppressed

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Speaker 2: and had more privilege over this, group and then this group,

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Speaker 2: disagreed and so instead of having a system that was

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Speaker 2: equal for. All you had everybody trying to claim their,

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Speaker 2: privilege speaking over each, other fighting each, other saying that

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Speaker 2: it was their turn to, speak it wasn't their turn to.

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Speaker 2: Speak it was actually, cartoonish but it is this deadly.

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Speaker 5: Serious if you want to get at what a backward

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Speaker 5: society is in a single, sentence you might put it this,

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Speaker 5: way that it is more important to be something than

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Speaker 5: to do.

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Speaker 6: Something it matters more what you are than what you've.

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Speaker 5: Done because In, america the biggest reason we are such

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Speaker 5: a profoundly transformational country for the entire world is that

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Speaker 5: we flipped that on its. Head we, said what you do,

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Speaker 5: matters what you have accomplished, Matters what your character is.

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Speaker 5: Matters and In canada they're turning into the old, way

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Speaker 5: which just says matters what your skin, is it matters

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Speaker 5: what group you're. In your privileges just derived from your group.

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Speaker 5: Status they're all, inherited they're all based on. Blood and

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Speaker 5: it's very bleak because you can make fun of. It

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Speaker 5: but the end result of that is economic, stagnation, poverty, hatred, misery.

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Speaker 5: Backwardness you don't innovate.

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Speaker 2: Anymore. Well the group that again To blake's point was

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Speaker 2: already further left Than trudeau ultimately Selected Avi lewis as

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Speaker 2: its new, leader a figure associated with a further left

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Speaker 2: shift for the. Party so when you get a bunch

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Speaker 2: of people in a room covetching and complaining about their

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01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 2: oppression and how they should be privileged more because of

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01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 2: their identity or their sexual, orientation you tend to have

1437
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 2: a party that will move further and further left until

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01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:28,600
Speaker 2: they fall off the cliff into utter stupidity and banality

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01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:34,759
Speaker 2: and cartoonish. Behavior may The lord spare such a result

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Speaker 2: for The United.

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