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Speaker 2: I have not needed community in the previous thirty six

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Speaker 2: years of my life, but in the past six months

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Speaker 2: that has flipped. I would probably not be here without

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Speaker 2: the community to get me through the worst part of

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Speaker 2: what I've been through. I actually don't think I would

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Speaker 2: have made it through it. I think I would have died.

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Speaker 2: What's up, guys, and Welcome to the March or Die Podcast.

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Speaker 2: This is a show where we do our best to

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Speaker 2: give you the principles and perspectives to march to move

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Speaker 2: forward when it would be easier to stay where you

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Speaker 2: are and die. This concept of death isn't just a

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Speaker 2: physical death. We're talking about emotional, spiritual death. It's really

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Speaker 2: giving up. It's just resigning to stay on the X,

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Speaker 2: which is where you go to die, and not moving forward.

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Speaker 2: And what we're going to talk about today is the

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Speaker 2: power of community and how a community, a strong community,

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Speaker 2: can get you off that X. And before we start,

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Speaker 2: and before I introduce the guests who I'm really excited about,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to just share a story that I know

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Speaker 2: a lot of you have probably heard, but it's a

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Speaker 2: really powerful story for me, especially in a season that

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Speaker 2: I've been in recently. So I want you to imagine

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Speaker 2: that you're paralyzed. You're stuck on this mat. You can't walk,

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Speaker 2: can hardly move. But you've heard of this teacher they

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Speaker 2: call Jesus, and you believe, and I've heard through accounts

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Speaker 2: that he can heal any ailment. But you're stuck on

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Speaker 2: this mat and you know he's teaching nearby, but you

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Speaker 2: can't get to him, even if you could walk. The

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Speaker 2: crowd is so thick that you can't even see into

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Speaker 2: the windows of the house that he's teaching in. But

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Speaker 2: one gift that you have is some friends who refuse

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Speaker 2: to allow you to stay on that mat and die,

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Speaker 2: and they hoist you up. They struggle with effort to

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Speaker 2: get you to the rooftop of this house because they

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Speaker 2: know that if they can break through the roof, they

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Speaker 2: can lower you right down in front of Jesus. And

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Speaker 2: that's what they do. They don't complain about the crowd,

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Speaker 2: they don't complain about the effort of lifting your dead weight.

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Speaker 2: They just hoist you up onto the rooftop and then

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Speaker 2: they start to break through the roof and I can

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Speaker 2: imagine people in the room, like there's debris falling, Like

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Speaker 2: what's going on? This man starts getting lowered down right

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Speaker 2: in front of Jesus, and Scripture tells us something that's

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Speaker 2: really amazing. Because of the faith of those friends, the

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Speaker 2: roof breakers, who I'm calling the roof breakers, not only

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Speaker 2: on account of the man's faith that was paralyzed on

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Speaker 2: the map, but because of the faith of those friends,

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Speaker 2: that man was healed. And that what we're talking about

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Speaker 2: today is community. People who refuse to allow you to

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Speaker 2: stay stuck, people who refuse to allow you to just

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Speaker 2: sit where you are and die. That is biblical community,

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Speaker 2: and it's a powerful thing. And today I have the

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Speaker 2: honor of sitting with somebody that I call one of

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Speaker 2: my roof breakers, my friend Eric Houselman. So, Eric, thanks man,

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Speaker 2: thanks for joining the show. You being here, Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: So I want you to kind of we'll give you

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Speaker 2: your background. But you're here at a local church in

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Speaker 2: Texas and basically you organize and breathe life into community

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Speaker 2: in church project here in Texas. It's called house Churches.

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Speaker 2: Their church project calls themselves a church of house churches.

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Speaker 2: And so just tell me about like what you do

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Speaker 2: and how community is a part of your life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, as you said, here a Church Product, So

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Speaker 1: I overs see all the house churches that are here

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Speaker 1: at Church Products. We have about sixty house churches, give

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Speaker 1: or take. And my role is to pour into the

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Speaker 1: leadership the house church pastors, the hosts, their spouses, and

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Speaker 1: to care for them so that we can build thriving

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Speaker 1: communities that people can be a part of. And so

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Speaker 1: my main role is to care for them, is to

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Speaker 1: step into errors when you step into, to care about multiplication,

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Speaker 1: having new housors's birth that of existing house churches. And

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Speaker 1: so my role is really just a care and look

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Speaker 1: over the health of all the house church pastors, the

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Speaker 1: honestly to be able to step in and do those things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. Tell me before we go a

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Speaker 2: growing up. You know, how'd you come to faith and

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Speaker 1: Man, there's very few people in Texas from Iowa, but

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Speaker 1: And it was one of those moments in you know,

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Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, man, already in the story, there's already the

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Speaker 2: community that we're gonna be talking about more. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: just the power again, like not walking in this you

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Speaker 2: And she's an Olympian for people who don't know.

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Speaker 2: We're going to get her on the show as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I hope so too. That'd be great, Yeah, it'd be great.

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Speaker 1: I'm so thankful for her and and we remember twenty

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Speaker 1: So from the very beginning, I think community is something

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, man, when I love One of the things

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Speaker 2: I really love about the model that Church Project has

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Speaker 1: You know, you know, when you're twenty and thirty you

433
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Speaker 1: feel like you know everything anyway, right, Yeah, I mean

434
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Speaker 1: you think it's amazing the older you get the look

435
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Speaker 1: back on your younger self, you realize, like, actually, what

436
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Speaker 1: an idiot you really were? You thought you're so mature, right,

437
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Speaker 1: and it goes at some point, but at some point

438
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Speaker 1: you actually do have wisdom, you know. And you know,

439
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Speaker 1: I always like seeing a church that have a lot

440
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Speaker 1: of older folk in it, but not only older folks,

441
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Speaker 1: but like people that are older than me. Yeah, because

442
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Speaker 1: I always have to ask them, like, what would you

443
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Speaker 1: do differently if you could go back to my whatever

444
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Speaker 1: my age is now, Like I realized there's a lot

445
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Speaker 1: of life that people have that. I mean, I'm fifty now.

446
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Speaker 1: If I talk to somebodies in their seventies or eighties,

447
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Speaker 1: 'st thirty years. Yeah, the life that's lived. I appreciate

448
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Speaker 1: that more than ever. You know, you're eighteen or twenty five.

449
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Speaker 1: You think there's what those little guys know, right, Yeah,

450
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Speaker 1: but there's a lot of wisdom in that, and I

451
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Speaker 1: think there's a lot you can glean from that. I

452
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Speaker 1: think you're missing out on that part of your life

453
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Speaker 1: if you don't live in community people like that. Yeah,

454
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Speaker 1: And quite honestly, you know, when you get to that

455
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Speaker 1: age sixties, seventies, eighties, you have a lot to share

456
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Speaker 1: and if you don't have anybody to pour back into,

457
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Speaker 1: where's that wisdom go? It just kind of rages erodi

458
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Speaker 1: into the vapor. I guess, yeah, just never get to

459
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Speaker 1: use it. There's a lot. I mean, can imagine if you

460
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Speaker 1: could fast forward your life twenty five years, it's what

461
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Speaker 1: you're going to walk into, what you would do differently

462
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Speaker 1: from a you know, just or just the wisdom of

463
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Speaker 1: like maturity of knowing how to walk with Jesus better man.

464
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Speaker 1: These older guys need be with these younger guys. And

465
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Speaker 1: at some point you're the older guy, yeah, and what

466
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Speaker 1: are you going to do with at that time? You know?

467
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Speaker 1: I think someone once said to me, like a for

468
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Speaker 1: a man the three errors of his life that are

469
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Speaker 1: the best our fifties, sixties and seventies. No, it's a

470
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Speaker 1: sixty seventies, eighties, fifty sixty seventies, because at some point

471
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Speaker 1: in your life you've reached maturity where you just don't

472
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Speaker 1: care about whether people you know, you just have so

473
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Speaker 1: much like wisdom, and also you're economically stable enough, and

474
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Speaker 1: you've got grandkids and your life you're porn back in

475
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Speaker 1: people at some point, right, And so for that standpoint,

476
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Speaker 1: I think the community is really important for men that

477
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Speaker 1: are a little bit older and also for the younger ones.

478
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Speaker 1: I want to learn from that. You want to learn

479
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Speaker 1: from what you're doing. I love people like that, and

480
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Speaker 1: I think we do ourselves at disservice that we just

481
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Speaker 1: think we know it all and don't live life with

482
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Speaker 1: those people. I think House charch, a trust project and

483
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Speaker 1: models like that give you a chance to do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what are the what would you say are the

485
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Speaker 2: marks of a healthy Christian community? Like, what does that

486
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Speaker 2: look like?

487
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Speaker 1: I think people that live authentically together where they can

488
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Speaker 1: share openly their struggles, share openly their sin, a robust prayer,

489
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Speaker 1: life within the community. I think a life of living

490
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Speaker 1: a life together outside of the weekly gathering is good

491
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Speaker 1: discipleship happening in a robust way serving others is just

492
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Speaker 1: living life for Christ right, Like, I think that's what

493
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Speaker 1: a healthy one looks like. And then it's growing. I

494
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Speaker 1: think that matters too. Like, you know, if you just

495
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Speaker 1: remain stagnant and don't it just kind of become introverted

496
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Speaker 1: and likely yourself, you're not really growing, which means you're

497
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Speaker 1: not evangelizer vie people back in. You know, the maturity

498
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Speaker 1: realizes that you are. This is a kingdom mindset where

499
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Speaker 1: this is not about me. This is about what Jesus

500
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Speaker 1: is doing through us and through me, and we want

501
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Speaker 1: to grow that for him and be part of that process. Right,

502
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Speaker 1: And so thinking kingdom mindingly, I think is a really

503
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Speaker 1: important thing towards like a mature believer looking beyond yourself

504
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Speaker 1: and beyond your own time. Even like they say, you know,

505
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Speaker 1: a wise man plants a tree that he never sits

506
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Speaker 1: under the shade of you know, you're thinking for it

507
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Speaker 1: all the time, and then you don't hold on just

508
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Speaker 1: life dally, right, Like you look forward to being with Jesus,

509
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Speaker 1: but you want to serve him all those days, Like

510
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Speaker 1: I keep telling our house Shurst pastors and all the

511
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Speaker 1: emails I send out a communication like a life lives Sivian.

512
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Speaker 1: The Lord is a life will lived indeed, like I

513
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Speaker 1: want to live. I want to be known for living

514
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Speaker 1: for Jesus. Yeah, more than living myself. But I think

515
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Speaker 1: I have a robust, healthy house church community looks like that.

516
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Speaker 1: They're just serving others and serving each other and just

517
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Speaker 1: living for one another and growing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's good man. One of my favorite stories,

519
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 2: along with The Roof Breaker, story that I referenced earlier.

520
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Speaker 2: Moses is praying for victor for Israel, and you know,

521
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Speaker 2: he's got his arms raised with the staff, and he

522
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Speaker 2: starts to grow weary and get tired, and the tide

523
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Speaker 2: starts to turn, you know, the Melchite start to take over,

524
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Speaker 2: and Aaron and her you know, bring the rock. They

525
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Speaker 2: sit him down and they raise his arms and it's

526
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Speaker 2: just a perfect example. And I've referenced that story several times, especially,

527
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Speaker 2: you know, with what I'm dealing with of the power

528
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Speaker 2: of community. You know, just because Moses wasn't able to

529
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Speaker 2: hold his arms up under his own strength didn't keep

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Speaker 2: them from victory. God honored the victory even though he

531
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Speaker 2: was helped by his community. And I just think it's

532
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Speaker 2: such a powerful story. And I think that people who

533
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Speaker 2: refuse that are just missing out on one of the

534
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Speaker 2: most powerful things you can have in life. And I

535
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Speaker 2: think maybe it's because kind of what we touched on earlier,

536
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Speaker 2: they want to be comfortable, or there's this vulnerability or

537
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Speaker 2: this expectation of accountability through community that people just don't

538
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Speaker 2: want to have, you know, and I think that's that's

539
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Speaker 2: so dangerous. One of the one of the scariest things

540
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Speaker 2: is inviting somebody into your life to hold you accountable

541
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Speaker 2: to who you say you are, right, and that's what

542
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Speaker 2: to me, one of the things that a healthy community

543
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Speaker 2: will do is that you'll have somebody to check to get,

544
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Speaker 2: you know, provide checks and balances for the decisions you're

545
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Speaker 2: making in life and how you say you're going to

546
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Speaker 2: walk through this life and then are you actually walking

547
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Speaker 2: through life the way you said that you're going to

548
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Speaker 2: do it? You know?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yours your point, like to a mend, like what's

550
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Speaker 1: to look like? I think there might be a reason

551
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Speaker 1: why people don't in some of the community. That might

552
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Speaker 1: be that they don't want to be held accountable. M h,

553
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Speaker 1: you know, because I do see the pattern right for

554
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Speaker 1: people who like they leave house church. There's a reason

555
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Speaker 1: they're leaving because they don't want be held accountable to

556
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Speaker 1: the decisions they're making. They really go around people that

557
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Speaker 1: are going to support that decision, right, Right, So there's

558
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Speaker 1: definitely accounability layer to it. But with this worry especially,

559
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Speaker 1: you know, there's actually three layers of community going on

560
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Speaker 1: in this moment. Right. You have Moses with the Lord,

561
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Speaker 1: You've got Moses with Joshua, Joshua knows that Moses is

562
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Speaker 1: back here, supporting him through prayer and through what he's doing.

563
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Speaker 1: And then you have Aaron and her helping Moses. But

564
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Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting about that moment, if you'll

565
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Speaker 1: reading the scripture anywhere about Moses and hey, guys, come

566
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Speaker 1: over here and help me. I need help with you.

567
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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: These guys were close enough in proximity and walking with

569
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Speaker 1: them to recognize a need, and they saw and they

570
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Speaker 1: took action to help him. Right. They care about his

571
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Speaker 1: brother enough to kind of help him do this. And

572
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Speaker 1: so there's a sense in which you know, you know,

573
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Speaker 1: we can all help people that we are around enough

574
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Speaker 1: to know that they need to have a need.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: I would never know you had a need unless I

577
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Speaker 1: was living with you, right or living life with you. Yeah,

578
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Speaker 1: and for me as well, like you know, to be

579
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Speaker 1: in close proximity is somebody and have somebody care enough

580
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Speaker 1: about you say, man, I see you're struggling with this.

581
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Speaker 1: Let me step in to help you, right, and to

582
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Speaker 1: carry the load a little bit. And like with Moses,

583
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Speaker 1: I can't do what you're doing, but I help you

584
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Speaker 1: do it.

585
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Speaker 2: Right.

586
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Speaker 1: You're walking, this is your journey that Lord's having you on.

587
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Speaker 1: You've got to hold your arms up people do the

588
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Speaker 1: things He's actually to do, but we can be there

589
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Speaker 1: to support you. And Aaron and Hurst saw enough of

590
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Speaker 1: that to realize we need to step in and help

591
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Speaker 1: this guy. Yeah, I think that was one of the

592
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Speaker 1: more powerful moments. And I also Joshua on the field,

593
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Speaker 1: he knew that Moses had his back and he was

594
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Speaker 1: like there for him. He wasn't alone in the battle,

595
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Speaker 1: even though he was in the battle, right, Yeah, and

596
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Speaker 1: they probably even down low but below it, Joshua he

597
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Speaker 1: had guys around him working with him too. Right. It's

598
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Speaker 1: all built around community. And if Joshua are run there

599
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Speaker 1: on his own with nobody else to help him, he

600
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Speaker 1: would have lost the battle for sure. But in that

601
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Speaker 1: community setting, these guys knew each other's needs and then

602
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Speaker 1: all together it works together in like harmony for them

603
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Speaker 1: to get the victory, and the victory to blongs to

604
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Speaker 1: God because everything's motivated through Godden, by God and for God.

605
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Speaker 1: And so these guys stepped into Moses to help him

606
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Speaker 1: because they trusted what he was doing and that he

607
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Speaker 1: was trusting the Lord. He was trusting. Joshua fed the

608
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Speaker 1: battle and this is what they could do. They weren't

609
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Speaker 1: down there on the battle for some reason, but they

610
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: were back here and they could step in and actually

611
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Speaker 1: help Moses hold his arms up to allow this battle

612
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Speaker 1: to win.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's so powerful, Yah, which said is

614
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Speaker 2: very true. And I think specifically for men, you know,

615
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Speaker 2: and both for women and men both need community. But

616
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Speaker 2: I think men just resist that level of vulnerability and

617
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Speaker 2: accountability to an extreme extent. We don't want to be vulnerable.

618
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Speaker 2: And I think it has a lot to do with

619
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Speaker 2: society and how we're raised and we're supposed to be

620
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Speaker 2: strong men, especially now, or I think we see this

621
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Speaker 2: kind of I think it started because we've seen a

622
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Speaker 2: decline of manhood, especially even in the church, you know.

623
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Speaker 2: I think specifically, I think why we've seen such a

624
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Speaker 2: decline of decline of manhood in the church is because

625
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Speaker 2: church has taken away men being men. What I mean

626
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Speaker 2: by that is churches are notoriously led by not our church,

627
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Speaker 2: and not a lot of churches. But but but then again,

628
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 2: a lot of churches are led by people that a

629
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Speaker 2: man that is a manly man comes in and would

630
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Speaker 2: be like, I cannot relate to that, dude, at all.

631
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Speaker 2: This dude is you know, grossly overweight, very soft, very

632
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Speaker 2: you know, non confrontational, like I can't be in this

633
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: room with this guy, and so I think we have

634
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: to shatter that. And the problem with society is they've

635
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: swung so hard the other way that now we have

636
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 2: this toxic masculinity, this this you know over correction of

637
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 2: this soft manhood to now this super super hard and

638
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 2: you know, rigid manhood that is obviously also not okay.

639
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Speaker 2: And so we have to allow men to be men.

640
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Speaker 2: But you can. You can be a man and still

641
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: walk with the Lord. And in fact, I would say

642
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Speaker 2: one of the most powerful things you can do as

643
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 2: a man is to understand that your identity lies in

644
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: Christ because the strength that you carry when you walk

645
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: with that type of a mindset and posture, you get

646
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Speaker 2: to always be on mission no matter what you're doing.

647
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Speaker 2: You know, we serve the military first responder community at

648
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Speaker 2: Mighty Oaks, and this is one of the things that

649
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 2: we really try to bring home to people is, hey,

650
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: when you walk with the Lord, you're always on mission.

651
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what your uniform looks like, it doesn't

652
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 2: matter whether or not you carry a gun on your

653
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 2: hip or if you were a hero that day, because

654
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 2: you're always on mission for the Lord. Because what happens

655
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 2: is people step away from those professions, or they get

656
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: removed from those professions, or they have an injury, or

657
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,719
Speaker 2: it's just time for their career to end, and then

658
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 2: then their loss because they don't have their identity is

659
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 2: tied up in the badge they wore, or the color

660
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: of the uniform or whatever the kicks may be. And

661
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: one of the most powerful things you can do as

662
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 2: a strong man is to understand that you're identityalized in Christ.

663
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: And we've all struggled with this, myself included, and has

664
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 2: to do with a lot of you know, how we

665
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: were raised, and not to blame anything on your parents,

666
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 2: because you have to take accountability for that, but how

667
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: your parents raised you and what you saw in them

668
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 2: that you didn't want to be reflected in you and

669
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: your children to see, right, And that's something specifically that

670
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: I've had to wrestle with. Yeah, but when you finally

671
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: strip it all away and understand that my identity lives

672
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: in Christ, then you get to really live on a mission,

673
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: and then you get to do it with the strength

674
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: and courage that you did not have before. Yeah, and

675
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: so I think man, like, just for men out there,

676
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: you have to get in a biblical community if you

677
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 2: want to be the man that you were meant to be.

678
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 2: It's going to require you being in a biblical community

679
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 2: to do that.

680
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: I told you with you, And I sometimes wonder if, like,

681
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: the the idea of toxic masculinity is actually just men

682
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: being men. There's definitely extreme version, right and so, but

683
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: toxic who's calling it toxic? Sometimes it's toxic because it's

684
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: just men being men. There, So you said the not toxic,

685
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: which is like the man that you're talking about that

686
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: you don't want to follow. You get a strong, godly

687
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: man who wants to lead well and be strong in

688
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: it and be okay with leaving a family and stepping

689
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: into that leadership and taking ownership of it. Sometimes I

690
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: think that, you know, some of our biggest issues are

691
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: men not stepping in to be men in a household,

692
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: in a family, and it causes like downstream effects definitely,

693
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: Like you look at most of the incarceration rates just

694
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: because it's not because they have motherless homes. They're coming

695
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: from fatherless homes, right, and so there's something about the

696
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: father figure in the house that matters, and so how

697
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: you are as a father. You don't have to be

698
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: like a super hyper masculine guy, but you just have

699
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: to lead well and lead as a man, right Like

700
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: even Paul says, you know, be strong and act like men.

701
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: Well what's he mean by that?

702
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 2: Right?

703
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: I mean he's not talking about being over zealous and

704
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: being like violent, He's just talking be strong, lead your family,

705
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: love Jesus deeply. You know, we look at the qualifications

706
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: for an elder. I think those qualifications for an elder

707
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: are good because they're expected to be at a certain

708
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: level to lead other people. But I think it looks

709
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: like by the way, looking for sympathy and Titus have

710
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: qualifications for an elder. But I think every man should

711
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,239
Speaker 1: be aspiring to those things to lead that way, to

712
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: have the full fruits of the spirit leading well. But

713
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: I want to, I mean I want to try to

714
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: be a guy who who is strong and leads others

715
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: and be confident, like you know, what's what's John Wayne?

716
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: John Wayne says, like you know, fear, U No, what

717
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: is that? Oh? Courage is being afraid and settle up. Anyway,

718
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: Sometimes we have to step into things that we don't

719
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: want to step into that are kind of scary. Right,

720
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: But for many of us, including me, like I didn't

721
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: really have a strong masculine figure in my life to

722
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: kind of show me what does it mean to be

723
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: a man if i've you know, my dad was my dad,

724
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: and he made a lot of mistakes and he did

725
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: not leave up front. He was very much a victim

726
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: of his own decisions and he lived that way and

727
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: so I didn't never had a strong male figure to

728
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: actually what is my example to do this right? And

729
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: so what a guy will do then is try to

730
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: find guys that they feel like they're the strong ones,

731
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: they feel like they're the powerful ones. They end up

732
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: making some really bad decisions. But what we need is

733
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: a man who is godly, who loves Jesus deeply and

734
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: lives in a very strong and firm right I think

735
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: as a good leader. Like I have a son, and

736
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: I have three daughters, and I think each one of

737
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: them would say that Dad loves me, he loves Jesus deeply.

738
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: But there are rules and boundaries in our household that

739
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: I'm ultimately grateful for. But my kids are well behaved

740
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: and they are, you know, two of them love Jesus deeply.

741
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: Two are getting really close. We live a life like

742
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: it's like you know, sometimes when we go from our experiences,

743
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: we sometimes kind token pension swing too far over right,

744
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: we overcorrect. I did know for my fact and my household,

745
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: like I came from a bunch of divorce on that

746
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: side on my mom's side of the family for some reason.

747
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 1: My dad's side was great, but my dad got divorced,

748
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: and I just want I didn't want that. I was

749
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: done with that stuff because I knew the pain that

750
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: that brought. I knew the pain of like a divorce

751
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: for a family, right, and a lot of that I

752
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: could kind of pin down a poor communication, poor leadership,

753
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: and really poor decisions.

754
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 2: Right.

755
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: And so for me on my side when I'm at Laura,

756
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't know Jesus at the time,

757
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: but I knew I didn't want divorced. But now that

758
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: I know Jesus deeply, like our motivation is for him

759
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: only in every way, and I want to be strong

760
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: for my family need. I need to be somebody for

761
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: my kids, my daughters to kind of run to for

762
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: safety and also just advice and kind of like that.

763
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: I want to be the example of the God that

764
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: she's one day going to be married.

765
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 2: Right.

766
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: I want them to say, whatever standard of this boyfriend

767
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: of mine has, this future of fiance has to at

768
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: least meet the litmus tests and what my dad was

769
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: to me, right, And for my son, I don't even

770
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: know what it means to be a man and to

771
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: step into things and to do hard things. And so

772
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: my approach to my son versus my daughter is a

773
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: little different because they need different things, and so I

774
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: want that to be the case for them, because I

775
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: want this generational thing on my side of the family

776
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: to stop. I went, I want godly men, I want

777
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: godly women. I want these robust, healthy families. And I

778
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: think for a lot of reasons, I think men have

779
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: in some cases abjugated that responsibility. And there's a lot

780
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: of reasons for that. Maybe they've been told they're not

781
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: supposed to do it. At least they've kind of just

782
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: sit back on their heels.

783
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 2: A fine.

784
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to do anything about it, but I

785
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: think most men, if you give them opportunity lead and

786
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: they want to lead, well, they will step into it.

787
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: And I think that we definitely need more men to

788
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: take it the mantle of leaving well in their households,

789
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: and if they lead well in their households, are going

790
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: to lead well in the church. We need that. We

791
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: need strong godly men, not violent men, not over the

792
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: top men, but we need men that are like I

793
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: love Jesus deeply. I'm not afraid to say it. I'm

794
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: going to stand up for him. I'm going to defend

795
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: my family. I'm going to provide for my family, and

796
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: we have to be there for my family. I want

797
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: more of that rather than less than that. I just

798
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: feel like sometimes I just, you know, maybe it's the

799
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: best oral ministry. You just see like really poor decisions

800
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: being made by some men. It really frustrates and irritates me.

801
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where it's coming from, but I hate

802
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: it and I want less of it. And so our

803
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: hope is that through these godly like these communities we

804
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: have that He's your house. First. Pastors will press into

805
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: these guys and be able to catch that stuff early.

806
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: And when you're in a biblical community, you will be held accountable.

807
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: And that's a good thing. It's usually people that run

808
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: away from those things that don't be held accountable because

809
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: they've got sin that's acting in their life. They just

810
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: don't want to deal with it.

811
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: Right.

812
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what, that is not a place

813
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: to go. Your desire should be to run towards Jesus,

814
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: run towards Biblican community and get help to be honest.

815
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: And I guarantee you if you do that, your marriage

816
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: will be better, your walk with Jesus will be better,

817
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: your relationship with other men will be better. You actually

818
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: will have some you know, Like you said before, I

819
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: think a lot of men by default are kind of

820
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 1: like lone wolves.

821
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

822
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, going back to the idea of

823
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: carrying the matt, Like, can you find four or five

824
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: guys that if you need to have that matt carried?

825
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: But do you know who they are? Most guys, I

826
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: would say, what.

827
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 2: They don't have one.

828
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: They won't even knowho it is right because they're used

829
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: to just going to work, providing, coming home, caring their family.

830
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: They don't really have any many outside of that. Yeah,

831
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: And I think the more we have that, the better.

832
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: I think how church provides the opportunity to have guys

833
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: that will hold you accountable but also be there for

834
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: you when you need it, so just I want more

835
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: of that, not less of it.

836
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, For somebody who's listening to the show and

837
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 2: they're like okay, okay, I'm on board, like and they

838
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: see that their life doesn't reflect that. How does somebody

839
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: get how does somebody get the level of community we're

840
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 2: talking about.

841
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: I think just by at least a church project, but

842
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: just be willing to step in the house church. Yeah,

843
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: I mean we make it really easy to find one

844
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: and to go to one. Here's our instructions, like look

845
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: at the map, find a house that's closest to you.

846
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: That means to know that we can meet with you

847
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 1: and then fill out the cure form or cure code,

848
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: fill the form or connect you with the house's pastor

849
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: directly and they just show up. That's all you got

850
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: to do. So it's it's finding opportunities for stepping in

851
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: if you I mean most guys, I think in any

852
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: church contact emailside of church project, there's always like a

853
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: workout group, there's always like a church meeting. To have

854
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: a church, a live stage group, whatever's going to be,

855
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: you need to step in and do it. I mean,

856
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: it's really that simple. I would say it's It's simple,

857
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: but not easy. Sometimes you just have to get over

858
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: the hump and do it. And the first step is

859
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 1: always the worst one. Then you'll you'll you'll have regreted

860
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: not done it, But once you step into it, you'll

861
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: regret having done it sooner in my mind.

862
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, I love that it's so easy here

863
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 2: at Church Project. But to your point, I think that

864
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: you have to be willing to step into it. So

865
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 2: let's say you go to a church or you're in

866
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 2: an area that doesn't have that, well, maybe you need

867
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: to build it exactly. Maybe you need to build it,

868
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 2: you know, And I'm sure I don't know. Is there

869
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 2: even resources. Church Project might have some resources to help.

870
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: With as far as that part of it. I mean,

871
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: well we have you know, we have conferences, We talked

872
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: about what it means the church of house. Churches they

873
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: learn how to do that. But honestly, it's just initiative

874
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: on the person. They kind of step in and just

875
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: figure it out right like it's and again it's it's

876
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: it's about community. It's about knowing people. So if I

877
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: were to walk into a church that I didn't know

878
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: anybody there, the first thing I would try to do

879
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: is find a group like a house church or a

880
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: small group or something to get plugged into, or you

881
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: find you know, we're not the guy that kind of

882
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: looks like me. Like we go back to that. The

883
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: default is find someone's kind of close to you. I'm

884
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: not going to see it shirt kind of a eighty

885
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: five year old guid though maybe I want that for me.

886
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: I would find someone like you to know you, take

887
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: you to coffee, you have fund get to know you,

888
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: and just like spend time with you and then just

889
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: build off of that. It's really not difficult, but you

890
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: got to be willing to step in and kind of

891
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: want that. If you don't want it, it's not just

892
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 1: kind of fall in your lab. You got to seek

893
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: it out, you know, You've got to hunt forward a

894
00:39:58,680 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: little bit.

895
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, some times it might not be something that

896
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: you can find. It might be something you have to build.

897
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 2: I think that's right. If you want it, it's not there,

898
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 2: it's something you to do it. I Mean, one of

899
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 2: the things we had early on at Church Project was

900
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 2: what makes you righteously angry and where your passions.

901
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,959
Speaker 1: That's typically a ministry for you to fall into because

902
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: that church productally FST started, we didn't really have a

903
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: lot of anything right. So in this case, if you

904
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: find yourself in a church context, we don't have what

905
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: you're looking for, don't expect the church to do it

906
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: for you. Step in and do it yourself. I mean,

907
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with you saying, hey, let's get fo

908
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: or five guys together, study scripture together, let's have four

909
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: or five guys to spend time in prayer together. You

910
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: just have to want to You have to want it

911
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: at some point. You have to want it more than

912
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: the church. I mean, if you're just waiting out for

913
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: the church or do it for you, you're likely going

914
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: to be disappointed. It's really, honestly not the church's responsibility

915
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: to do it for you. We want to provide things

916
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: for you, but it's up to you to step into

917
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: if you can. But if it's not there, you've got

918
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: to find a way to do it.

919
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, what else, man? What else do you have about community? Oh? Man?

920
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: I would say that, you know, over the years, it's

921
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: been really interesting to watch what community look like to me.

922
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: When I first came to faith early on, I went

923
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: to a church where you kind of had a small group,

924
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: kind of like interest meeting. It was all like mine

925
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: aids or not like min to like like age people

926
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: in in that case was like my twenties. And they

927
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: sent on a circle like who wants to leave this?

928
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: And they just kind of said that they did the

929
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: pointing test, who wants the number point at me? I

930
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: was like, okay, I'll figure it out, you know. So

931
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: I led a group like that for about three and

932
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: a half years and we're still friends this day. But

933
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: we felt called to do something different, and so I

934
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: stepped into community over in another church where I was

935
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 1: able to actually like teach like it was more of

936
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: like a Bible study type thing. I wanted to do

937
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: that at that that season my life, and it looked

938
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: different then too, and it was like again, that was

939
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: the one that was like kind of removed from everyone.

940
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: So I learned a lesson there about being in proximity.

941
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: I could drive, I could drive to somebody, build a

942
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: community there. It was really more for them than for

943
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: me because I just wasn't near you. I was like,

944
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: I love you guys, but if I'm forty minutes away,

945
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: I'm useless to you, right. So that's what we pulled back.

946
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: We started looking for churches in there, and that's when

947
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: church product came up there about three months old. We

948
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: found that. And so when I stepped into the community

949
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: here it may it made a lot of sense. And

950
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: it was a diverse, you know, dissopship community, and that

951
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: was different than what so I had homogeneity, I had proximity,

952
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: and I had like diversity and proximity. Right, So I

953
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: learned about that span of time that it's really important

954
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: to find something close to you, really important to find

955
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: something diverse from you. And to your point, like a

956
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: church product, we have house church. We also have like

957
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: life stage groups. They don't supplement it or they don't

958
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: like for place that they supplement it, right, So that's

959
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: important for you to have it. But having community is good.

960
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: So I don't know what else to say about other

961
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: than I think everybody needs to be in it. I

962
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: think you're better off if you're in it than if

963
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: you're out of it. If you're not in it, you

964
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: have to find out why you're not in it. And

965
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: it's easy to blame schedules and kids sports activities.

966
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: We all have that.

967
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: But if it's important, you'll find a way to do it.

968
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: I guarantee you take something in your life. If you

969
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: love guns, if you love hunting, you find time to

970
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: go hunt, you know. So if this is important to you,

971
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: then it will find time in your schedule. And then

972
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: eventually what happens, it becomes so normally you can't not

973
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: do it. And that's kind of where I'm at now

974
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: in my life that if I were to go to

975
00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: any other church for someone of the reason, I don't

976
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: leaven trust FuG anytime saying, but I would. This is

977
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: the natural next step for me to find community to

978
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: do this. I can't do it by myself. I don't

979
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 1: want to do by myself. Yeah, do by myself as lonely.

980
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: It's not fun. I've got nobody to bounce ideas off of.

981
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: I want to grow with and challenge me.

982
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

983
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: We need that, and men need that absolutely, you know

984
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: So I think that's that's my my word on that.

985
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: I just find it.

986
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean again, I couldn't speak about this

987
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 2: enough because you know that for most of my life

988
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 2: I was a mat carrier or the roof breaker, you know,

989
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 2: and I almost not in a good way, like took

990
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 2: pride in that, like that was people came to me

991
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: when they needed somebody to break through the roof, you know,

992
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: or when they need somebody to carry the mat. And

993
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 2: in this recent season, I've seen the flip side of

994
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: that as I've needed people to carry the mat, I've

995
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: needed people to break through the roof for me. I

996
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 2: needed people to raise my arms. Yeah, you know when

997
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 2: I was, when I was fatigu and can hardly lift them.

998
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 2: And if you're in a stage of your life where

999
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 2: you are the mat carrier or the roof breaker, you

1000
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 2: still need to be investing in a community because you

1001
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 2: never know when you're going to need to be carried,

1002
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: when you're going to need somebody to break through the

1003
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: roof for you, and vice versa. If you're if you're

1004
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 2: if you feel like the guy, that's just man, I'm

1005
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: just always the one stuck on the mat or always

1006
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 2: the one Kevin mout arms race. Man, just stay in

1007
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 2: the fight because you never know when you're gonna need

1008
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 2: to carry the mat, and and you probably don't know

1009
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: that you probably are carrying somebody else's mat without even knowing,

1010
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: you know, And so I mean it just feeds itself.

1011
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 2: And so I think again, man, just like for those

1012
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: listening and watching who are in a community. It's something

1013
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 2: that you have to be in. It's it's a non

1014
00:44:55,040 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 2: negotiable in my experience, and like I said, I've I've

1015
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 2: not needed community in a way that I've needed it

1016
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: in the past six months. In the previous thirty six

1017
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 2: years of my life, right, I have not needed community

1018
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 2: in the previous thirty six years of my life as

1019
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 2: far as like needing people to carry the mat. But

1020
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 2: in the past six months that has flipped. And if

1021
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 2: I was going based off of my thirty six years

1022
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: of experience before this and not investing in community because

1023
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: I haven't needed it, then I would be broke right now.

1024
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 2: I would probably not be here without the community to

1025
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,959
Speaker 2: get me through the worst part of what I've been through.

1026
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 2: I actually don't think I would have made it through it.

1027
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: I think I would have died. I think, you know,

1028
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 2: at the extent of the illness that I that I

1029
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 2: had experienced, I think I would have I think I

1030
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 2: would have died. And so just the power of that

1031
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 2: is it's something that is not negotiable for me.

1032
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: Do you feel, like you said, you're kind of like

1033
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: the Matt carrying guy for a long time when you

1034
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: reflect back on that, do you find that maybe you

1035
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: were the mat carrying guy because you don'tant to be

1036
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: on the mat m. You know, want the vulnerability that

1037
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: requires you to be on the mat, the humility that

1038
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: takes to beyond the mat.

1039
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 2: I think so. And you know, one of the one

1040
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: of the most powerful things that the Lord has done

1041
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 2: in this time is sanctified me through this this illness.

1042
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 2: And as much as I hate it, it's something that

1043
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 2: I'm thankful for and I'm like, Lord, Okay, I'm sanctified,

1044
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 2: let's go. But one thing that He has spoken to

1045
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 2: me about in this is that I have used the

1046
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 2: pitfalls that I had seen previously as a child to

1047
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 2: shape the man that I thought I was supposed to be.

1048
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 2: And that led me to a man that was strong

1049
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 2: and courageous and did cool things like be a professional

1050
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 2: fighter and carried a gun for most of his life

1051
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: and saved people.

1052
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: Right.

1053
00:46:53,360 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 2: But what I wasn't doing was look looking for the

1054
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 2: blessings that the Lord had put in my life and

1055
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 2: focusing on that, I was asking the Lord to bless

1056
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 2: the decisions I was making in life. And it has

1057
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 2: been a unique perspective shift for me. Of I don't

1058
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: think there's anything wrong with making decisions and doing things

1059
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 2: in life that we want to do and asking the

1060
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 2: Lord and bless this. Lord, like I'm going to glorify

1061
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 2: you in this. I'm going to make this decision. I

1062
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 2: don't see I didn't see any clear opposition. So I'm

1063
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 2: going to make this decision, and I'm going to glorify

1064
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 2: you in it. But instead, what I now want to

1065
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 2: reflect on and grow in is looking at the blessings

1066
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 2: the Lord is placed in my life and then making

1067
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 2: decisions based off of honoring those blessings. Right, And it

1068
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 2: seems like the same thing, they're actually two very different things.

1069
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 2: For example, I don't think there was anything wrong with

1070
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: my fighting career, but I fought because I wanted to fight,

1071
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 2: and I glorified the Lord in my fighting career every

1072
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 2: chance I had the opportunity to. But there were blessings

1073
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 2: that the Lord was giving me outside of my fighting

1074
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 2: career that I could not see because I was so

1075
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 2: tied up in doing what I wanted to do and

1076
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: asking the Lord to bless it that I didn't see

1077
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 2: the blessings he was giving me and focusing on them. Yeah,

1078
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 2: And so all that to tie back to what you're

1079
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 2: saying is Yeah, I didn't want to be the mat carrier,

1080
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 2: I mean the person on the mat because that wasn't

1081
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 2: cool to me, right, And so I always was the

1082
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 2: mat carrier. I built my life around being this, you know,

1083
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 2: And I've had conversations about this, being the most dangerous

1084
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 2: man in the room and this, you know. Jordan Peterson

1085
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 2: talks about this like these can all be good things,

1086
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 2: but they can also be really bad things, you know,

1087
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 2: if if you don't have the right posture and how

1088
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 2: you pursue them. And I think that there's there's some

1089
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 2: reflection that I have done in the way that I

1090
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 2: can change a posture and how I view walking through

1091
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 2: that and glorifying the Lord in it.

1092
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: We don't know the man we could become. Most are

1093
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: challenged to look at ourselves deeply and see where the

1094
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: shortfalls are, where the shortcomings are. And I think there

1095
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: are things that you would probably say this would be true.

1096
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: I think that you know more about God and now

1097
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: that you've ever known, because of what you've gone through

1098
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 1: the last six months or more. Right, it's been a

1099
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: long time, right, so you've learned, and there's there's things

1100
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: you can to get in the suffering that you can't

1101
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: otherwise get anywhere else, right, And that's the hard reality, right,

1102
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: And so what opportunity are we missing to know who

1103
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,919
Speaker 1: Jesus is more deeply by being out a community, to

1104
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: be kind of face some of these things, right, and

1105
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: to step in to be held accountable and to kind

1106
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: of like just run in this moment, right, I mean

1107
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: it's really hard to be the guy than that. Yeah,

1108
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: I don't I don't like being the guy in that either.

1109
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,280
Speaker 1: Like there's there's nothing worse in asking for help for something.

1110
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: That's what it feels like, right, But when you eat it,

1111
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: it's so glad to know that people will be there

1112
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 1: for you to help you in it, right, I mean

1113
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,280
Speaker 1: that's so powerful, Like I can't imagine. I think Dalynne

1114
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: said this one time. We had a chance first Wednesday

1115
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: to pray over you, and then we kind of stepped

1116
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,919
Speaker 1: aside and pray it over you again, and she said

1117
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: something that's echoed with me forever. So she's like, what

1118
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: if people do that don't have this, you know that

1119
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 1: I could to somewhere else Like abo about a month later,

1120
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 1: there's another family when this is really hard, he said

1121
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: the exact same thing, he goes. I thought he goes.

1122
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: I thought I was really good originally get into House

1123
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: church for my family, but I didn't realize it was

1124
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: actually for me.

1125
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Speaker 2: You know.

1126
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: And man, like I said, hard times are going to hit,

1127
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: no doubt at some point, right, but I really go

1128
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: through that with somebody who loves me and cares deeply

1129
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: about me. Who's going to be the guys around me,

1130
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 1: like you have Matt Man around you that you didn't

1131
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: even know or appreciate probably you know now you know

1132
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: it and the genuineness of that friendship and the genuiness

1133
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: of the other people like care for you and feeling

1134
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: loved and you know, I hate the fact that you're

1135
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: going through what you're going through. And I think I've

1136
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 1: talked about this often, like I wish I could do more,

1137
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: But you know, this is your journey. The Lord has

1138
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: you on. I'm going to walk with you through it.

1139
00:50:58,120 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: You know, I'll be the guy holding your elbows up

1140
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: as you do this. Right, you still have to journey it,

1141
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: but I'll walk with you through it.

1142
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 2: You know.

1143
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: We go back and forth, trunture, what is it? How

1144
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: do we figure it out? You know? But you know,

1145
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: to have someone in your life like that, to be

1146
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: able to have somebody that when you would need them deeply,

1147
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: that they're there for you. I mean, how many men

1148
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: are like struggling with a lot of things alone.

1149
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 2: They still having body to call?

1150
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: What's the end of that? Usually it's not good.

1151
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 2: No, it's not good.

1152
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: It's not good at all, dude. I Mean it's like,

1153
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: what's the definition of sand to do the same thing

1154
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: over and over again? Like if you keep finding yourself

1155
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 1: alone in hard times and you're just not gonna you're

1156
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: not willing somebody community, that just that shows you like

1157
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: the power of shame and the power of humility, Like

1158
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: if you don't want to step into it's a shame

1159
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: that shame has a hold on you, right, Like, get

1160
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: in a community, figure it out, right. I Mean, one

1161
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: of the things I love about House Church is that

1162
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: where else are people going to wrestle with scripture and

1163
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: rustle out a lot of things are dealing with, right,

1164
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: I mean, there's another place they can't go where they

1165
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: can just say I don't really believe that, or I

1166
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: don't know about that, you know, or living community with

1167
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: other guys, and it's like in moments of the guys

1168
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: and side Hey man, my marriage is really rocked right now.

1169
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: Something's going on or things want to really well, and

1170
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: I share it with you, right man, You can't do

1171
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: it alone. And it's hard. But what's harder. If you

1172
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: think community is hard, to try doing it without community. Yeah,

1173
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: that's way harder.

1174
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1175
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: I'd really do it with people that love and care

1176
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: about me, And the only way that happens is by

1177
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 1: building relationship with them and knowing them over time, right yeah,

1178
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: and that only starts with you stepping in absolutely. Yeah.

1179
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good man, it's good.

1180
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 1: Yeah man.

1181
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I hope you guys enjoyed the conversation. Remember,

1182
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 2: if you're doing this alone, you weren't meant to do

1183
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,439
Speaker 2: it alone. You need people that are willing to lift

1184
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 2: your arms. You need some roof breakers in your life.

1185
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 2: That's what I'm calling them, and that's biblical community. So

1186
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 2: if you don't have it, go out and find it.

1187
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 2: If it's not there, then build it. But remember, when

1188
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 2: the bullets are flying, you got two choices. You can

1189
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 2: even move forward or you can stay where you are

1190
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 2: and die. And there's really only one right choice. So

1191
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 2: thank you guys for watching the show. Remember to subscribe

1192
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 2: make sure you stay tuned to what we're doing here

1193
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: at March or Dye. Got a lot of cool stuff

1194
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