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Speaker 2: All Right, So, for those who didn't see our show yesterday,
Speaker 2: these are the two sons of Pastor son, who is
Speaker 2: a pastor that Charlie met while he was in Korea.
Speaker 2: That was the last international trip he took. He met
Speaker 2: with him, and just a very short time later, I
Speaker 2: think literally one or.
Speaker 3: Two days correct, he was two.
Speaker 2: Days he was arrested by Korean authorities for the alleged
Speaker 2: that his political activities amounted to criminal behavior. And there's
Speaker 2: been a lot of threats like that against Christian pastors
Speaker 2: in South Korea. For those who don't know, South Korea
Speaker 2: actually is a quite Christian country. It has one of
Speaker 2: the highest numbers of Christian believers in Asia, especially East Asia,
Speaker 2: And so we've been following that story and we wanted
Speaker 2: to have them on again.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I'll also add we were backstage when I think it
Speaker 4: was my dad he brought pastor's son over and he said,
Speaker 4: you know, he's been speaking up. They're arresting pastors. He
Speaker 4: might get arrested. And Charlie and I kind of looked
Speaker 4: at each other and we're like, surely not.
Speaker 2: We hear about that in the US. Like all these guys,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of guys in the US will see
Speaker 2: like I'm being persecuted. I'll take that risk of getting arrested.
Speaker 2: It never actually yes, So.
Speaker 4: We're like no, like for what he's like, oh, talking
Speaker 4: about politics from the pulpit during an off election season,
Speaker 4: like breaking you can go into that. But we're like, no,
Speaker 4: no way, and Charlie goes, okay, I'll tell you what
Speaker 4: gives me the phone. He's like, take a picture. And
Speaker 4: as they take the picture, Charlie goes, I took that
Speaker 4: photo because if and when you get arrested, I'm going
Speaker 4: to post it everywhere and blasted on social media to
Speaker 4: make sure I get you out of prison. And so
Speaker 4: the reason we're doing this podcast, and the reason why
Speaker 4: all of us have been so just invested in the
Speaker 4: story is because Charlie was literally personally invested in the story.
Speaker 4: And so if you guys could tell us exactly why
Speaker 4: he was arrested and then also just kind of that story,
Speaker 4: it was so great, meaning, guys, backstage at that event.
Speaker 5: Before I started off with my father's story, it was
Speaker 5: an honor to meet Mikey and Charlie Kirk in the backstage.
Speaker 5: I was there about Mikey when pastor a while reached
Speaker 5: out to Charlie and Mikey introducing my father. I didn't
Speaker 5: not know that my father would be arrested two days
Speaker 5: after because not a lot of Christians and also even
Speaker 5: the family members, we didn't know that he would be
Speaker 5: arrested because the arrest warrant. We read the whole forty
Speaker 5: nine pages of that and it was absurd because the
Speaker 5: mainly it was politically he was violating the political neutrality
Speaker 5: from the pulpit. But when we go back to Covid lockdown,
Speaker 5: my father was the only mana church pastor that didn't
Speaker 5: surrender worship and it was to a point where the
Speaker 5: church was literally lockdown and they putes around the church.
Speaker 3: Police went to the church and force of the.
Speaker 5: Government officials did that and we still worshiped outside increasing
Speaker 5: the temperature. And ever since then, my father has been
Speaker 5: the symbol of Christian conservatism in Korea and he has
Speaker 5: been the biggest threat to the leftist government because he
Speaker 5: would be so vocal he speak out, just like how
Speaker 5: Pastor Bob has been doing as well during Kobe lockdown
Speaker 5: as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, my wife's family is here too and
Speaker 4: they have a similar story from their grandfather, but also
Speaker 4: them having been persecuted in the Soviet Union and Joseph
Speaker 4: Vanderingo he has an amazing story. He's still alive. He
Speaker 4: has a great book called KGB's Most Wanted. But they
Speaker 4: have such a similar story. And this is actually how
Speaker 4: they've met. My dad is during in the Soviet Union,
Speaker 4: he was running one of the biggest underground t networks
Speaker 4: and he was arrested for it and put in the gulag,
Speaker 4: and then he got out, did it again and was
Speaker 4: arrested again. And so they came to America and they
Speaker 4: saw that my dad was facing you know, hundreds of
Speaker 4: thousands of dollars in fines, in possible jail time, and
Speaker 4: had to go to court and get a legal team.
Speaker 4: And our congregants were getting fined just simply for worshiping
Speaker 4: during COVID and they're like, wait, this is really scary.
Speaker 4: This reminds us what we came from in the Soviet Union.
Speaker 4: And so now they're seeing that in your dad, and
Speaker 4: we're all seeing that, and so this is a warning sign.
Speaker 4: This is Korea, but this could also come to America exactly.
Speaker 3: That's why we're here.
Speaker 4: And is this something you ever thought you would have
Speaker 4: to deal with with your dad? You never thought your
Speaker 4: dad would have to get arrested.
Speaker 5: Surely, so ever, since COVID lockdown again, my father sold
Speaker 5: six lawsuits out of sixteen he's facing is from lockdown.
Speaker 5: And yeah, it's upsurd for just simply worshiping, not following
Speaker 5: the guideline. And we still didn't know that even though
Speaker 5: he was going through sixteen lawsuits, we didn't even imagine,
Speaker 5: We couldn't imagine that my father would actually be imprisoned.
Speaker 5: And that's because So to give you a little bit
Speaker 5: of context, what's going on in Christian community right now
Speaker 5: is in Korea, ten million Christians out of fifty million
Speaker 5: are Christians. However, the misconcept and misleading idea of separation
Speaker 5: between the church and state has been implemented among Christians.
Speaker 5: Even so, actually, we've invited Pastor Robb multiple times going
Speaker 5: back three four years ago, and he has awakened a
Speaker 5: lot of Christians in Korea and giving us encouragement and
Speaker 5: told us to be courageous, just like how Bible tells us.
Speaker 5: And that's been basically moving Christian movement in Korea as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you and I talked with Charlie a ton about
Speaker 4: the low birth rate in Korea. It's the lowest in
Speaker 4: the What Charlie.
Speaker 3: Spoke about at the event is it think it's the
Speaker 3: lowest in the world.
Speaker 2: It's about point seven per so it means on average,
Speaker 2: their rate is such that the average woman in Korea
Speaker 2: would have point seven children by the time she's finished.
Speaker 4: And so just to put that into perspective, point seven
Speaker 4: the extinction rate of Korea at that rate, it's one.
Speaker 2: Hundred more hundred grandparents will have about thirty five thirty
Speaker 2: six kids who will have twelve grandchildren.
Speaker 4: And so the extinction rate is four times that of
Speaker 4: COVID nineteen. And your dad is facing fines, in jail
Speaker 4: time and needs currently in prison for what he did
Speaker 4: during COVID nineteen, when your entire country is shut down
Speaker 4: everything for something that doesn't even have the same extinction
Speaker 4: rate as their current birth rate exactly, and they're not
Speaker 4: even doing anything to combat the birth rate right now
Speaker 4: they say they are, they're really.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's not going it's not improving.
Speaker 3: So do the pastors talk about that.
Speaker 2: I guess it was so interesting to me when I
Speaker 2: was I was in Seoul for about a week and
Speaker 2: I just felt like I didn't see children at all.
Speaker 3: I think I saw one toddler.
Speaker 2: It was in a McDonald's and they had squeaky shoes
Speaker 2: that made a rubber ducky sound every time they.
Speaker 3: Took a step, and that was about it. Very Korean
Speaker 3: and very Korean.
Speaker 2: So I guess, yeah, I know that's not on the
Speaker 2: topic of getting arrested, But what do what do pastors
Speaker 2: say about that? Is there an awareness of like do
Speaker 2: they say our country is going to go extinct if
Speaker 2: we don't do what every generation prior to us did
Speaker 2: pretty much automatically.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So the very law my father has been arrested for
Speaker 5: and in prison four is election law violation. It's because
Speaker 5: my father criticized a political candidate for pushing lgbtagend into
Speaker 5: schools and even church not being able to preach about
Speaker 5: I know what's simple and what's not, and also a
Speaker 5: candidate that promised to appoint thirty percent of the government
Speaker 5: of positions for sexual minorities, and as a pastor, my
Speaker 5: father had to say something about that. And because of
Speaker 5: that skill was being too political. And because of risk
Speaker 5: of flight, my father has been imprisoned. But my father
Speaker 5: has been serving the same community, same area for the
Speaker 5: last thirty three years without even taking a sabbatical, and
Speaker 5: risk of flight is just an absurd reason.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean, the church is the only one
Speaker 4: that's bringing the message to have more children than you
Speaker 4: can afford. The church is the only one that's providing
Speaker 4: a community to support families even when they can't afford
Speaker 4: cost of living and to find jobs. In Korea, the
Speaker 4: church is the one that's actually helping this existential birth
Speaker 4: rate that's going to eviscerate your country in this ancient
Speaker 4: civilization that you guys have. It's really sad to see
Speaker 4: that the government, instead of partnering with that, is turning
Speaker 4: on it and saying, instead of partnering with them, let's
Speaker 4: jail the pastors hire all the people that can't have
Speaker 4: kids because they're gay. And then that's.
Speaker 3: What you're saying.
Speaker 4: He said thirty They wanted to hire thirty percent of
Speaker 4: the government workforce as sexual minorities. So you're referring to
Speaker 4: gay people, and Blake correct me.
Speaker 3: That would lower the gay rate in our government. They
Speaker 3: that would lower the Yeah, it's it's it's sad to see.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So tell me about your your story. How do
Speaker 4: you fit in?
Speaker 6: One problem in South Korea is, for instance, young Christian
Speaker 6: women women they do not want to have baby. Actually,
Speaker 6: it's ridiculous, that's weird.
Speaker 3: The Bible says they should.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but there's no Christian word you actually in South
Speaker 6: Korea churches and among Christians. So that's the problem of
Speaker 6: South Korea. And that results in the I think my
Speaker 6: father finally and during COVID nineteen there are lots of
Speaker 6: megachurch in South Grade. You know, maybe the biggest church
Speaker 6: is South in South Korea, full constat church. Yeah, and
Speaker 6: so in soult but their biggest in.
Speaker 3: The world, biggest in the world.
Speaker 6: But pastors think like there are seventy percent conservative people,
Speaker 6: but there are thirty percent Democrats. Democrats is in the church.
Speaker 6: So they gave up to speak speak speak up about
Speaker 6: birthrate or that kind of thing. So because it.
Speaker 5: Would make a lot of people uncomfortable. M hm, even
Speaker 5: although it was one third of the Christian population. Are
Speaker 5: you guys married, My brother's married, dear kids, yeah, two kids.
Speaker 2: Ah, single handedly triple in the country's birth rate.
Speaker 5: Yes, and I have much more. Yeah, I love it anymore.
Speaker 5: And once I get married, I should get married soon. Yeah,
Speaker 5: something I need to learn. Or Mike as well, I'm
Speaker 5: you know, many many much older than he is, but
Speaker 5: much respect for you man.
Speaker 4: Thank you, I get married young. Ed's all, Charlie, is
Speaker 4: what it is. So what what is the best way
Speaker 4: to get your dad out of prison right now? And
Speaker 4: how long is his sentenced?
Speaker 6: So which is unpresented?
Speaker 5: The prosecutors ask for one year imprisonment and this this
Speaker 5: is absurd because when you look at the legal presidents
Speaker 5: for the electional violation, even the ones that have ran
Speaker 5: for the office, they have only gotten fined. So it's
Speaker 5: not much of a you know, criminal thing that you
Speaker 5: know you would get in prison for. But prosecutors asking
Speaker 5: me one for one year imprisonment is absurd and it
Speaker 5: could be up to one year. But so as sons,
Speaker 5: we personally want my father to be released because they're
Speaker 5: going after the church, church members, assistant pastors, and police
Speaker 5: accessing my family's telecommunication education logs multiple times for investigation,
Speaker 5: and they could add more charges to my father's case
Speaker 5: so they can lock him up again. But long term wise,
Speaker 5: we need not only South Koreans, but American and also
Speaker 5: Christians in the world to raise voices to secure releases,
Speaker 5: freedom and freedom of religious education. And I believe that
Speaker 5: that is what's essential in looking at this case and
Speaker 5: know that that this will come to your door someday, everybody.
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Speaker 4: How many pastors like your dad are imprisoned in Korea
Speaker 4: right now?
Speaker 5: None? Because my father is the most vocal one and
Speaker 5: they are setting example right now.
Speaker 3: Got it.
Speaker 4: There's no other ones prior to him though, that have
Speaker 4: been released.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 5: So in May, my father's Cigaret Church and our home
Speaker 5: were rated, which is also unpresented. And in July, Yoda
Speaker 5: Full Gospel Church, which is the biggest church. Again, like
Speaker 5: you said, Mikey has been raided, and the most influential pastor,
Speaker 5: doctor Billy Kim, his broadcasting company has been raided. He
Speaker 5: was the interpreter for Billy Gore and Crusade in Korea.
Speaker 5: And so they have rated the most vocal one, my father,
Speaker 5: biggest church and the most influential.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: You know, actually this really pisses me off because it
Speaker 4: was at that event in Korea that Yoida Full Gospel Church,
Speaker 4: the pastor was going to speak at that build Up
Speaker 4: Korea event, and they had like thirty five pastors that
Speaker 4: were signed up to come, and all these donors that
Speaker 4: had had pledged funds for the event, and then two
Speaker 4: days prior they found out Charlie was coming and Americans
Speaker 4: were coming, and the government reached out to these people
Speaker 4: and threatened them, and so Yudo Full Gospel pulls out,
Speaker 4: the biggest church in the world pulls out of this event,
Speaker 4: and all of the pastors cancel, and only three showed up.
Speaker 4: And of the three that showed up, only one decided
Speaker 4: and promised to meet with Charlie. And that was your dad,
Speaker 4: and he's paying the consequences of that. And on top
Speaker 4: of that, the donors were targeted, they pulled all their funds.
Speaker 4: It makes me furious at your government one but two,
Speaker 4: it also makes me really upset at the pastors who
Speaker 4: aren't willing to say I don't care if I go
Speaker 4: to jail like Charlie. These people declined a meeting with Charlie,
Speaker 4: and he gave his entire life, everything that he had
Speaker 4: to offer, He sacrificed, quite literally to the point of death.
Speaker 4: And these pastors can't even be brave enough to go
Speaker 4: to a meeting because they're afraid of losing their congregation,
Speaker 4: in their paycheck and their comfortability, and so honestly they
Speaker 4: need to probably be ashamed of themselves and use this
Speaker 4: as an opportunity to repent and stand up and for
Speaker 4: your dad, we need to use this as an opportunity
Speaker 4: to blast this message as far as it can go
Speaker 4: and to the people that are watching this too. This
Speaker 4: is Charlie was heavily invested in your dad's story. He
Speaker 4: took that picture because he wanted to get your dad
Speaker 4: out of prison, and he didn't even know he was
Speaker 4: in prison yet. And so I, whatever it is, we
Speaker 4: want to help. But the more your story can be
Speaker 4: out there, the better. What is your dad facing in
Speaker 4: prison on a day to day basis.
Speaker 5: To share a little bit more so the first three weeks,
Speaker 5: the prisoners there would have access to kenty where they
Speaker 5: can buy underwares and blankets and extra etc. But every
Speaker 5: four days when they would have the access to canteen,
Speaker 5: the prosecutors and police they called my father in for questioning.
Speaker 5: So he would have worn he warned, he wore the
Speaker 5: underwears that the previous inmate from that cell will be wearing.
Speaker 5: So when I was imagined that, you know, my father,
Speaker 5: he's coming from a very you know, the bottom, you know,
Speaker 5: for life. But hygiene is one of you know, one
Speaker 5: of the things that he really cared about. But him
Speaker 5: going through that and many men you know, binding him,
Speaker 5: binding my father in ropes, things like that and delaying
Speaker 5: the legal process have been very hard for my family.
Speaker 5: But I know God has allowed this time and this
Speaker 5: environment for a reason.
Speaker 6: So yeah, yep.
Speaker 5: And uh, he's in a cell that's only a five
Speaker 5: meter square, so very small by himself and mhm.
Speaker 6: Yeah, very cold he has.
Speaker 5: There's a barely heating system there, so they have to
Speaker 5: put warm water in a pee tea bottle and he
Speaker 5: has to uh, you know, put that between the arms
Speaker 5: to keep himself a little warmer and sleep through that.
Speaker 5: So a lot of prayers needed.
Speaker 3: Hm hmmm.
Speaker 2: So is this a is this a big news story
Speaker 2: in Korea or how much does tension does it get
Speaker 2: in the wider.
Speaker 5: Yes, So a lot of Christians are raising their voices
Speaker 5: and we are we are free, furious, not only us,
Speaker 5: but you know, just like how America has been doing
Speaker 5: under Biden administration, the current regime has taken over media,
Speaker 5: especially the legacy media and stay controlled media as well
Speaker 5: education and church as well, silence and pastors. So not
Speaker 5: enough of you know, coverage are getting.
Speaker 6: They want to add something and Korea legacy media. They
Speaker 6: are talking about my father has.
Speaker 3: Far right, far right and that one before.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and personally, personally, we are receiving receiving a lots
Speaker 6: of messages from megachurch pastors, of pastors and lots of
Speaker 6: pastors from South Korea, but they are not speaking up,
Speaker 6: speaking out publicly. They're hesitant. Yes, personally, we are getting
Speaker 6: lots of support, supporting message.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, hm hm wow.
Speaker 2: I'm just do you get Yeah, I'm just thinking of
Speaker 2: like the Gospel of Matthew, the whited sepulchers, you know,
Speaker 2: right just on the outside, but like rotten within, and
Speaker 2: it's very it's it's hugely upsetting you. You're a pastor
Speaker 2: and you sympathize in private, but you won't say anything publicly.
Speaker 2: What what is the point of being a pastor? Why
Speaker 2: do you even exist?
Speaker 3: Yeah, there are a.
Speaker 5: Lot of elders and uh, past pastors in Korea that
Speaker 5: have been reaching out to us and also uh you know,
Speaker 5: messaging us. But they what they say is, you know,
Speaker 5: there are forty or thirty per sent that are voting
Speaker 5: for the Democrats, so we can't and we're not able
Speaker 5: to speak out for your father. So We've been praying
Speaker 5: for you, but not public key that we can do
Speaker 5: that we are not able to do anything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well for you guys, have you faced any backlash criticism?
Speaker 4: Has your family been targeted at all? Your children, your wife?
Speaker 3: What have you guys faced?
Speaker 4: And also do you get do you have people receive
Speaker 4: your message better here in America or in Korea?
Speaker 5: A lot better in America because I feel like this
Speaker 5: is this is really sad and in a way funny
Speaker 5: because there are a lot of Christians supporting my family
Speaker 5: and my father as well and SECO Church. But I
Speaker 5: feel like Americans are speaking out even louder than Christian
Speaker 5: Koreans and Christians uh, Christians in Korea and.
Speaker 6: Yeah, actually lots of thought Koreans. They are threatened by
Speaker 6: current government, so I can't understand why they are hesitating
Speaker 6: to supporting us, to support us publicly.
Speaker 5: Uh. And we are actually being mocked a lot on
Speaker 5: social media and you know, news articles saying my father
Speaker 5: is far far right extremist.
Speaker 3: And also when.
Speaker 5: Charlie visited to to attend event, the legacy media and
Speaker 5: the state control media framed Charlie as the far right extremist.
Speaker 5: And what I even said on social media. Is he's
Speaker 5: the one who has been welcoming debate and free speech.
Speaker 5: So even if the Democrats want to say things against
Speaker 5: you know, Charlie or us, it's okay because as long
Speaker 5: as you have logic, which they don't have a lot
Speaker 5: of times, you know, they've been like that. And ever
Speaker 5: since COVID lockdown, my father, the secretary Church, our family
Speaker 5: has been mocked and we've been threatened, of course, but
Speaker 5: we're used to it. And thank god, we have been
Speaker 5: blocking a lot.
Speaker 6: Of the noises. Good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, rejoice in your sufferings. But I'm so sorry
Speaker 4: you guys are having to go through this. And just
Speaker 4: know that we're invested in the story because Charlie was
Speaker 4: invested in the story. I even remember we were walking
Speaker 4: up to the convention center and this reporter ran up
Speaker 4: to him. Do you remember this, Like I don't unfort
Speaker 4: and she was like, Charlie, what do you have to
Speaker 4: say about you know, President Trump saying that Korea needs
Speaker 4: is not arrest pastors. And he was like, just don't
Speaker 4: arrest pastors. It's not that difficult, and it's like it
Speaker 4: really is that simple, and like everybody's like, no, you
Speaker 4: cannot talk to the media, you can't talk, and Charlie
Speaker 4: is like I left him with one sentence, and like
Speaker 4: that's all they deserve. They deserve one sentence, Like, you
Speaker 4: guys are so ridiculous. Stop arresting pastors.
Speaker 2: And this is a place where we should have leverage.
Speaker 2: There are thirty thousand US troops in Korea, Yes, spend
Speaker 2: billions of dollars is to secure that country's independence from
Speaker 2: the north from China, and I feel it would be
Speaker 2: reasonable for us to say, you know, and you know,
Speaker 2: we have our trade disputes or whatever, but I think
Speaker 2: it's reasonable to say, if we're going to have thirty thousand.
Speaker 3: Troops there, yeah, don't arrest pastors things. Well, well I
Speaker 3: don't even.
Speaker 4: Think you guys love MacArthur of course, okay, so respected.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where they built I think the monument to
Speaker 2: when they were memorializing Charlie after what happened. I think
Speaker 2: they were at that statue as an Inchon.
Speaker 4: Inchon and your dad's church is in Busan in yes, Okay,
Speaker 4: got it.
Speaker 3: So we stopped.
Speaker 4: Charlie wanted to see the MacArthur's statue. But you talk
Speaker 4: to any Korean there and there's a deep sense of
Speaker 4: gratitude for America, and so I like, this is where
Speaker 4: Americans can come in and leverage that gratitude that Koreans have,
Speaker 4: because it only goes so far. You start arresting pastors
Speaker 4: and you start betraying the values that connect us.
Speaker 3: I don't I.
Speaker 4: Don't really foresee us being friends allies. And also we
Speaker 4: have thirty thousand troops there, yea, and the least you
Speaker 4: guys could do.
Speaker 2: One thing I found very moving. I went to they
Speaker 2: have a museum and memorial to the Korean War, and
Speaker 2: they have much like our Vietnam memorial has all the
Speaker 2: names of the soldiers who died in Vietnam. They have
Speaker 2: that and they have it for all the Korean soldiers
Speaker 2: who died, but also for all of the American soldiers
Speaker 2: who died and any other countries. Yeah that fought as
Speaker 2: part of that coalition.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually think this. I want to ask you
Speaker 4: about this too, because I think it's even scarier that
Speaker 4: this is. Like step one for Korea in the Korean
Speaker 4: government is like, oh, arrest the pastors that say that
Speaker 4: thirty percent of your hiring load in the government should
Speaker 4: be gay.
Speaker 3: Like, let's do that.
Speaker 4: Let's arrest them. But you're seeing people get elected in
Speaker 4: Korea right now who are North Korea sympathizers, and they
Speaker 4: want to see a unified Korea. That's what they call it, right,
Speaker 4: unified Korea.
Speaker 3: Blake, Oh, I think all Koreans want to unify Korea
Speaker 3: by whom, by whom exactly.
Speaker 4: But I think this is super dangerous for you guys,
Speaker 4: the trajectory you're you're on, and I think that America
Speaker 4: could definitely leverage the power and influence that we have
Speaker 4: in that country.
Speaker 3: Sorry, was it?
Speaker 4: Do you want to read that?
Speaker 3: Do you want to do?
Speaker 5: You want to mention?
Speaker 6: And one more thing. The current leader of the Democratic Party,
Speaker 6: Chong Jong Jong. He is a pro terrorist, anti American
Speaker 6: socialist who set fires to the US embassy when he
Speaker 6: was young. He was convicted eighties and nineties. He was
Speaker 6: socialist and he's still his socialist and communist.
Speaker 4: He brought receipts.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So funny thing about you know, so, as Mike said,
Speaker 5: we Koreans in general, we are deeply, deeply, you know,
Speaker 5: thankful for America. Going back on hundred and forty years ago,
Speaker 5: American missionaries came to Korea to you know, basically put faith,
Speaker 5: you know, rooted Korea. And if you go to the
Speaker 5: cemetery in yang haajin the missionary symmetry, there are sixty
Speaker 5: five infant graves because of the poor medical care and
Speaker 5: also you know, the environments was environment was so bad,
Speaker 5: so shortly after their birth they have passed away. And
Speaker 5: that's I believe that that's the heart of America. So
Speaker 5: we are so thankful. And thirty six thousand American soldiers
Speaker 5: have died during the Korean War, and we are so thankful.
Speaker 5: But because of Jeneral MacArthur communism, communists from China, North
Speaker 5: Korea and Soviet Union, they weren't able to take over
Speaker 5: the Korean peninsula. They pushed all the way to down
Speaker 5: to Busan, which is very south city of you know
Speaker 5: where we're from. And thanks to American soldiers, we were
Speaker 5: able to secure freedom, get regradated, we liberated. So for
Speaker 5: the Democrats, this is kind of different to the police
Speaker 5: Amosphere compared to the US. But for the communist pro
Speaker 5: China democrats, America's America is the one they took away
Speaker 5: their country, their communism communists to be country. So that's
Speaker 5: why they've been protesting against the US and the free countries.
Speaker 6: Yeah percent.
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Speaker 4: Let's do a couple of questions.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go for oh no, I was just I
Speaker 2: was making sure are we okay on that one?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think so let's open up to some questions and
Speaker 4: then yeah, if you guys have any just raise your hand.
Speaker 4: Uh oh, yeah, they're gonna have this. I totally forget
Speaker 4: about share that one. And we're gonna put up a
Speaker 4: QR code to help get involved to your dad and
Speaker 4: it's the petition for his release.
Speaker 3: So thank you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna make sure you guys, thank you so much.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 8: I was just wondering if there are any warning signs
Speaker 8: came to South Korea that you're seeing now in America
Speaker 8: that you would want us to be a bullwork against
Speaker 8: and like stuff you would point out to say like hey,
Speaker 8: you need to pay attention to that and fight back
Speaker 8: against it early before you end up like closer to
Speaker 8: where we are.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So I can't even imagine what if Kamalae Harris won
Speaker 5: the election this year last year, and the reason I'm
Speaker 5: I want to share my father's story and what's happening
Speaker 5: in South Korea this might, if not, it will come
Speaker 5: to the US. And this is not about just my father,
Speaker 5: just one person, but just for us to realize what's
Speaker 5: a stake and just you know, just like how Charlie
Speaker 5: and Mikey have been advocating that we should be raising
Speaker 5: our voices and we should talk about politics because it
Speaker 5: has been and it will be. It will always affect
Speaker 5: our lives and our children as well, so we should
Speaker 5: get involved.
Speaker 9: Yeah, my question, I guess two of them real quick.
Speaker 9: First off, as far as South Korea turning turning towards
Speaker 9: more socialism communism, all we see in the United States
Speaker 9: is sold and that's just like watching New York, Chicago, La,
Speaker 9: any big city and it looks like it's a prosperous,
Speaker 9: fully functioning country. What is the economics in the in
Speaker 9: the South Korea itself to make people want to go
Speaker 9: towards the thing that you've got that they just fought
Speaker 9: a war back in the nineteen fifties to save them from.
Speaker 9: And then two, what is what? What is how does
Speaker 9: the Korean society see the male figure? Like here, if
Speaker 9: you're a white male, your you're pond scum basically, I
Speaker 9: mean that's how that how society is looks at the
Speaker 9: white male.
Speaker 10: Okay?
Speaker 9: Is that similar to is that what they're doing in
Speaker 9: in Korea where they're making men feel inferior and raising
Speaker 9: the women sow up, you gotta you gotta basically worship them.
Speaker 5: If you want to answer the second question, first second question,
Speaker 5: first second ahead. So so the first one so, so,
Speaker 5: the first one wasn't really a question, was it.
Speaker 10: I mean, what is the climate in the entire peninsula
Speaker 10: that's making the younger generation go towards socials and communism?
Speaker 5: Yeah, exact, Yeah, yeah, it was a definitely question. Sorry,
Speaker 5: I'm not I'm not a native speaker.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So education for the last few decades, you know, they
Speaker 5: leftist have been very successful manipulating the education. So for example,
Speaker 5: we should we should be aware of the you know,
Speaker 5: the foundation of you know, how Korea was republic career
Speaker 5: was established, and they manipulate that it wasn't the establishment
Speaker 5: of nineteen forty eight. Instead they say it's nineteen nineteen.
Speaker 5: And they don't teach about how you know, they don't
Speaker 5: really teach about Christianity right now, and even in public schools,
Speaker 5: although Christianity by number is the most you know, the
Speaker 5: most populated religion in Korea is Christianity, and they even
Speaker 5: call Christianity with different, like weird names we call them,
Speaker 5: so what we call them usually is kiki in Korean,
Speaker 5: but on the textbook's as cutest to you, which is
Speaker 5: like a christ religion, which is not. So you know,
Speaker 5: they've been basically in control of the textbook at public
Speaker 5: education and no freedom in education, so no pantro rights,
Speaker 5: no parantoral rights. What education are their kids that kids
Speaker 5: will be educated on? So basically that and.
Speaker 6: Second question and second one is uh, you know, yes,
Speaker 6: as you see, we are not black, we are not white,
Speaker 6: but in South Korea all we are yellow yellow yellow,
Speaker 6: Asian yellow.
Speaker 5: Sorry okay, sorry, English is not my native language, definitely
Speaker 5: not my brother Yeah, yeah, Asian.
Speaker 6: But uh, there is men and women and a lots
Speaker 6: in South Korea, feminism is prevalent, prevalent feminism. For instance,
Speaker 6: even in the church, lots of young young women Christians
Speaker 6: they are a feminist and they if they go to
Speaker 6: college and university then they become feminist. And South Korea
Speaker 6: who goes to university ratio is the highest in the
Speaker 6: world about eighty percent. It means eighty to ninety percent
Speaker 6: of women or almost all of them go to university
Speaker 6: and they are.
Speaker 5: Could you tell about four B movement h ah that
Speaker 5: Charlie mentioned at the event for b is do not
Speaker 5: birth and do not get birth, do not get birth,
Speaker 5: and do not get married.
Speaker 2: I think it's do not date, do not marry, do
Speaker 2: not have sex, do not have children, right, super radical feminists.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that is prevalent even in the church.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why the birth rate is so low. And
Speaker 5: and just like how you said women up there, how
Speaker 5: we should bow down to the women.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean we are equal, but.
Speaker 2: In America we have we'll we'll talk about the sex divide,
Speaker 2: the gender divide that women in America vote significantly more
Speaker 2: to the left than men do.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: And I think America has a pretty large gap compared
Speaker 2: to the world. But I think Korea is one of
Speaker 2: the only countries that has an even larger one.
Speaker 5: Yes, I think America, if I'm not wrong, I think
Speaker 5: it's like eighty percent for the in there was.
Speaker 2: A specific story that I think eighty seven percent of
Speaker 2: young women voted for Mamdannie in the New York mayor race.
Speaker 2: More generally, I think young Well, the highlight is young
Speaker 2: unmarried women in America will be like seventy five percent
Speaker 2: on the left, twenty five percent on the right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Erica actually made that so the they would often say,
Speaker 4: how kind of the in the black community the government
Speaker 4: replaced fathers in the home in terms of what they
Speaker 4: could provide for families, And so now you kind of
Speaker 4: look at how it shifted.
Speaker 3: And Erica literally was the first.
Speaker 4: One to point this out, and I was like, wait,
Speaker 4: that's kind of mind blowing how the government has now
Speaker 4: replaced husbands for a lot of women. And so this
Speaker 4: actually there was something under Obama where he had.
Speaker 3: This ad, the Life of Julia. Yes, I don't know
Speaker 3: if you guys have seen this.
Speaker 4: It's literally an ad called the Life of Julia, and
Speaker 4: it shows this woman progressing throughout her life and how
Speaker 4: the government aids her throughout her entire life.
Speaker 2: Is an ad campaign for Obama in twenty twelve for
Speaker 2: his Real.
Speaker 4: Life twenty twelve.
Speaker 2: And okay, okay, she's born, the government is giving these programs,
Speaker 2: have her mom, and then now she's in high school,
Speaker 2: here's the birth control giving her.
Speaker 3: And why yeah, well no, no.
Speaker 4: Back then when that happened, people were like, this is insane.
Speaker 4: And then now we're like, oh, eighty three percent are
Speaker 4: voting for mom. Donnie, Okay, Like Life of Julia is
Speaker 4: now a thing that's really scary to hear any other questions.
Speaker 6: Guys. Oh right there, Hi guys.
Speaker 11: My name is Monica, and I just want to say
Speaker 11: it's so amazing that you guys came here and your
Speaker 11: story is so You're so bold, it's so courageous. And unfortunately,
Speaker 11: a lot of the young Christians that I know, I
Speaker 11: think the extent of being bolts like posting on their
Speaker 11: social media story and the persecution is losing followers.
Speaker 7: But I just want to start ask.
Speaker 6: I just coughed.
Speaker 11: I mean, I was just wondering if you have any
Speaker 11: practical advice for young Christians for what you guys have
Speaker 11: obviously lived out for how to be bold in real life.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, we are going through a persecution, but
Speaker 5: as Christians, I feel like, although you're not going this
Speaker 5: kind of persecution, we should have you know, we should
Speaker 5: have empathy for brothers and as sisters in Christ and
Speaker 5: also as Christians, we are obligated to speak out what
Speaker 5: God wants us to speak out about the biblical truths
Speaker 5: that will never change and stick to that. And if
Speaker 5: you do, I think your view on how you're going
Speaker 5: to live your life, what you're calling is what your
Speaker 5: mission is in this temporary life that's going to end
Speaker 5: really quick. I think it's going to change if you
Speaker 5: really really believe that. And that has been my personal
Speaker 5: testimony since COVID lockdown. Looking at my father before that,
Speaker 5: I wasn't one of the you know, the faithful kids.
Speaker 5: But my father being persecuted for you know, worshiping God.
Speaker 6: It was.
Speaker 5: He was so lonely. Even among Christians.
Speaker 3: He was mocked.
Speaker 5: He said, why don't you love your neighbors, Why don't
Speaker 5: you just you know, worship God online in pajamas? Didn't
Speaker 5: make sense. They didn't make any sense to me. And
Speaker 5: ever since then, I changed my way of viewing things.
Speaker 5: Discerning things, of course, I like a lot, but I
Speaker 5: go back to Bible. I go back to what God
Speaker 5: has told us to do. God told us through scripture,
Speaker 5: and that has changed my life. And I really hope
Speaker 5: we change. We Yeah, we change reborn in Christ.
Speaker 3: That's amazing.
Speaker 2: Anyone else we have a few one more, if anyone's
Speaker 2: got one, Uh yeah, I see one right there. We
Speaker 2: have a bit of time because our last one is delayed,
Speaker 2: so for His Lord.
Speaker 12: So my name is Caylin, and I was just wondering, Well,
Speaker 12: first of all, thank you for sharing your story here,
Speaker 12: but also you kind of were talking about, you know,
Speaker 12: the warning to America, and I just want to know
Speaker 12: from an outsider's perspective. I think I just want to
Speaker 12: know what your thoughts are on America as a whole,
Speaker 12: because I think so often in America there's this like
Speaker 12: infighting of like us not being a good country, and
Speaker 12: you know that we need to you know, make people leave.
Speaker 12: And I'm talking more from the left side, is that
Speaker 12: you know, we're this horrendous country and that we just
Speaker 12: need to like let everyone in. But from an outsider's perspective,
Speaker 12: I just wanted to know kind of how you guys
Speaker 12: see America, Like, are we a beacon of light in
Speaker 12: any capacity?
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 5: I mean, so I went to school in Seattle for
Speaker 5: high school and college, and you know that's a blue state,
Speaker 5: of course, and I was almost forced to think that
Speaker 5: America is a bad country. And and you might think
Speaker 5: that if you were in Seattle.
Speaker 3: I mean, I was manipulated.
Speaker 5: I I was getting brainwashed. But thank god I have
Speaker 5: faith and I had my brother and my family, and
Speaker 5: simply that's a lie. Of course, America is not perfect.
Speaker 5: I'm not perfect, No, one's perfect, right, and we might
Speaker 5: or America could make some mistakes. Of course, it's not
Speaker 5: perfect because it's not God, you know. But that's a lie,
Speaker 5: just like how there has been a misconcept of separation
Speaker 5: between church and state. There's a lie. That's a lie
Speaker 5: that America is bad. You don't think of the good
Speaker 5: side how America. You know, there are one hundred and
Speaker 5: forty years ago, as I said earlier, American missionaries basically changed.
Speaker 5: So when you look at the when you look at
Speaker 5: the Korean peninsula at night, you can google it. There's
Speaker 5: a light in South Korea all over the country and
Speaker 5: North Korea, none except one city, Pyongyang, where the rocommend
Speaker 5: lives recommend that President Trump calls. So yeah, so please
Speaker 5: don't get manipulated and be courageous and be thankful that
Speaker 5: you're an American because you know, free speech, freedom, religious freedom,
Speaker 5: being able to say what you want and not get
Speaker 5: in prison for that. It's a blessing. It is blessing.
Speaker 5: Don't take it for granted. And you guys are doing great.
Speaker 6: I think there were no America then. Howard was already
Speaker 6: a communism. Communism I think, amen, I mean.
Speaker 3: Yes, thank you so much. To both of your life.
Speaker 4: Well, thank you guys so much for being here. Right
Speaker 4: before we close, can you tell us how we can
Speaker 4: be praying specifically for both of you guys and for
Speaker 4: your dad.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So Mikey mentioned about the petition and I think
Speaker 5: we're going to have to cure code up. That is true,
Speaker 5: were raise awareness in America what could happen in the
Speaker 5: US and for us, Please pray for our career courage
Speaker 5: to keep fighting this fight because we believe and we
Speaker 5: know that God has already won the battle.
Speaker 6: But we have to be faithful just to fight.
Speaker 5: So for not only our family but Christians in Korea
Speaker 5: to believe that, and if you believe that, you will
Speaker 5: act upon it. So for us to be courageous and
Speaker 5: to for God's kingdom, not the government.
Speaker 6: And we are we are, We have lots of hope.
Speaker 6: Actually we are hope hopeful because everything is done, everything
Speaker 6: is allowed by God. God is the God is the
Speaker 6: Lord of everything. And I think God is awakening waking
Speaker 6: up South Korea, Korean church and even I think American now,
Speaker 6: Uh so uh don't don't don't worry everybody and God
Speaker 6: is working Yeah for the Lord.
Speaker 3: Halleluja.
Speaker 4: Thank you guys, all right, thank you, thank you, don't
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