WEBVTT - Christians Under Assault In Korea 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:06.360 My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:09.960 American student organization in the country, fighting for the future 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:13.360 of our republic. My call is to fight evil and 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:16.520 to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:19.919 is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:23.200 if the most important thing is doing good, you'll end 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:26.400 up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You got to 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:28.600 stop sending your kids to college. You should get married 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:31.160 as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:33.280 Go start at turning point, you would say, college chapter. 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:35.599 Go start attning point, you say, high school chapter. Go 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:37.839 find out how your church can get involved. Sign up 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:39.839 and become an activist. I gave my life to the 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:43.200 Lord in fifth grade, most important decision I ever made 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:45.080 in my life, and I encourage you to do the same. 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:49.720 Here I am Lord, Use me. Buckle up, everybody, Here 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:58.800 we go. The Charlie Kirk Show is proudly sponsored by 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:02.960 Preserved Gold, leading gold and silver experts and the only 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:07.000 precious metals company. I recommend to my family, friends and viewers. 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:12.679 All Right, So, for those who didn't see our show yesterday, 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:17.240 these are the two sons of Pastor son, who is 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:20.080 a pastor that Charlie met while he was in Korea. 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:22.920 That was the last international trip he took. He met 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:25.200 with him, and just a very short time later, I 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:26.280 think literally one or. 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:28.800 Two days correct, he was two. 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:34.959 Days he was arrested by Korean authorities for the alleged 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:39.199 that his political activities amounted to criminal behavior. And there's 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:42.600 been a lot of threats like that against Christian pastors 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:44.919 in South Korea. For those who don't know, South Korea 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:47.680 actually is a quite Christian country. It has one of 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:51.840 the highest numbers of Christian believers in Asia, especially East Asia, 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:55.320 And so we've been following that story and we wanted 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:56.160 to have them on again. 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:56.960 Yeah. 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:01.040 I'll also add we were backstage when I think it 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:04.360 was my dad he brought pastor's son over and he said, 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:07.720 you know, he's been speaking up. They're arresting pastors. He 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:10.560 might get arrested. And Charlie and I kind of looked 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:11.920 at each other and we're like, surely not. 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:15.440 We hear about that in the US. Like all these guys, 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:17.200 there's a lot of guys in the US will see 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:20.919 like I'm being persecuted. I'll take that risk of getting arrested. 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:22.240 It never actually yes, So. 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:25.200 We're like no, like for what he's like, oh, talking 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:28.480 about politics from the pulpit during an off election season, 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:33.760 like breaking you can go into that. But we're like, no, 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:35.720 no way, and Charlie goes, okay, I'll tell you what 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:38.160 gives me the phone. He's like, take a picture. And 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:41.280 as they take the picture, Charlie goes, I took that 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:45.880 photo because if and when you get arrested, I'm going 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:49.200 to post it everywhere and blasted on social media to 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:51.600 make sure I get you out of prison. And so 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:54.200 the reason we're doing this podcast, and the reason why 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:57.320 all of us have been so just invested in the 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:01.079 story is because Charlie was literally personally invested in the story. 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:04.160 And so if you guys could tell us exactly why 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:08.320 he was arrested and then also just kind of that story, 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.680 it was so great, meaning, guys, backstage at that event. 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:14.080 Before I started off with my father's story, it was 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:18.120 an honor to meet Mikey and Charlie Kirk in the backstage. 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:23.680 I was there about Mikey when pastor a while reached 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:29.200 out to Charlie and Mikey introducing my father. I didn't 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:31.560 not know that my father would be arrested two days 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:35.560 after because not a lot of Christians and also even 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:39.040 the family members, we didn't know that he would be 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:43.440 arrested because the arrest warrant. We read the whole forty 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:47.240 nine pages of that and it was absurd because the 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:52.400 mainly it was politically he was violating the political neutrality 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:55.800 from the pulpit. But when we go back to Covid lockdown, 0:03:55.920 --> 0:04:00.240 my father was the only mana church pastor that didn't 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:03.960 surrender worship and it was to a point where the 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:09.400 church was literally lockdown and they putes around the church. 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:12.320 Police went to the church and force of the. 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:15.440 Government officials did that and we still worshiped outside increasing 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:19.360 the temperature. And ever since then, my father has been 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:24.120 the symbol of Christian conservatism in Korea and he has 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:27.320 been the biggest threat to the leftist government because he 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:29.960 would be so vocal he speak out, just like how 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:33.159 Pastor Bob has been doing as well during Kobe lockdown 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:33.560 as well. 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:36.360 Yeah, I mean, my wife's family is here too and 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:40.920 they have a similar story from their grandfather, but also 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:44.719 them having been persecuted in the Soviet Union and Joseph 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:47.880 Vanderingo he has an amazing story. He's still alive. He 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:51.320 has a great book called KGB's Most Wanted. But they 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:54.360 have such a similar story. And this is actually how 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:58.320 they've met. My dad is during in the Soviet Union, 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:00.720 he was running one of the biggest underground t networks 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:04.000 and he was arrested for it and put in the gulag, 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:06.760 and then he got out, did it again and was 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:10.880 arrested again. And so they came to America and they 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:14.159 saw that my dad was facing you know, hundreds of 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:17.839 thousands of dollars in fines, in possible jail time, and 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:20.559 had to go to court and get a legal team. 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:24.160 And our congregants were getting fined just simply for worshiping 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:27.320 during COVID and they're like, wait, this is really scary. 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:30.039 This reminds us what we came from in the Soviet Union. 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:33.880 And so now they're seeing that in your dad, and 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:37.159 we're all seeing that, and so this is a warning sign. 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:40.120 This is Korea, but this could also come to America exactly. 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:41.080 That's why we're here. 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:42.880 And is this something you ever thought you would have 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:44.720 to deal with with your dad? You never thought your 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:45.800 dad would have to get arrested. 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:49.919 Surely, so ever, since COVID lockdown again, my father sold 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:54.720 six lawsuits out of sixteen he's facing is from lockdown. 0:05:55.200 --> 0:06:00.600 And yeah, it's upsurd for just simply worshiping, not following 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:03.840 the guideline. And we still didn't know that even though 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:07.480 he was going through sixteen lawsuits, we didn't even imagine, 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:10.560 We couldn't imagine that my father would actually be imprisoned. 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:16.480 And that's because So to give you a little bit 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:19.400 of context, what's going on in Christian community right now 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:23.160 is in Korea, ten million Christians out of fifty million 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:29.760 are Christians. However, the misconcept and misleading idea of separation 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:33.560 between the church and state has been implemented among Christians. 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:39.080 Even so, actually, we've invited Pastor Robb multiple times going 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:42.720 back three four years ago, and he has awakened a 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:48.000 lot of Christians in Korea and giving us encouragement and 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:52.400 told us to be courageous, just like how Bible tells us. 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:58.599 And that's been basically moving Christian movement in Korea as well. 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:02.840 Yeah, you and I talked with Charlie a ton about 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:06.760 the low birth rate in Korea. It's the lowest in 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:07.640 the What Charlie. 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:10.000 Spoke about at the event is it think it's the 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:10.640 lowest in the world. 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:14.400 It's about point seven per so it means on average, 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:18.000 their rate is such that the average woman in Korea 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:21.640 would have point seven children by the time she's finished. 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:26.240 And so just to put that into perspective, point seven 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:30.800 the extinction rate of Korea at that rate, it's one. 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:33.760 Hundred more hundred grandparents will have about thirty five thirty 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:35.960 six kids who will have twelve grandchildren. 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:40.440 And so the extinction rate is four times that of 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:45.960 COVID nineteen. And your dad is facing fines, in jail 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:49.240 time and needs currently in prison for what he did 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:52.800 during COVID nineteen, when your entire country is shut down 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:57.000 everything for something that doesn't even have the same extinction 0:07:57.120 --> 0:08:00.040 rate as their current birth rate exactly, and they're not 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.680 even doing anything to combat the birth rate right now 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:05.240 they say they are, they're really. 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:08.160 Yeah, you know, it's not going it's not improving. 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:10.840 So do the pastors talk about that. 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:13.120 I guess it was so interesting to me when I 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:15.720 was I was in Seoul for about a week and 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:18.360 I just felt like I didn't see children at all. 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:19.640 I think I saw one toddler. 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:22.119 It was in a McDonald's and they had squeaky shoes 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:23.840 that made a rubber ducky sound every time they. 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:26.360 Took a step, and that was about it. Very Korean 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:27.920 and very Korean. 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:29.560 So I guess, yeah, I know that's not on the 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:32.160 topic of getting arrested, But what do what do pastors 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:35.280 say about that? Is there an awareness of like do 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:37.480 they say our country is going to go extinct if 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:40.679 we don't do what every generation prior to us did 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:41.880 pretty much automatically. 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:42.840 Yeah. 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:46.520 So the very law my father has been arrested for 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:49.880 and in prison four is election law violation. It's because 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:56.120 my father criticized a political candidate for pushing lgbtagend into 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:59.839 schools and even church not being able to preach about 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:03.200 I know what's simple and what's not, and also a 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:07.240 candidate that promised to appoint thirty percent of the government 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:11.240 of positions for sexual minorities, and as a pastor, my 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:14.400 father had to say something about that. And because of 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:19.120 that skill was being too political. And because of risk 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:23.839 of flight, my father has been imprisoned. But my father 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:26.800 has been serving the same community, same area for the 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:30.800 last thirty three years without even taking a sabbatical, and 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:33.800 risk of flight is just an absurd reason. 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:37.360 Yeah, And I mean, the church is the only one 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:39.760 that's bringing the message to have more children than you 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:42.400 can afford. The church is the only one that's providing 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:45.120 a community to support families even when they can't afford 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:48.080 cost of living and to find jobs. In Korea, the 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:52.200 church is the one that's actually helping this existential birth 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:56.000 rate that's going to eviscerate your country in this ancient 0:09:56.000 --> 0:10:01.600 civilization that you guys have. It's really sad to see 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:05.600 that the government, instead of partnering with that, is turning 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.960 on it and saying, instead of partnering with them, let's 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:12.040 jail the pastors hire all the people that can't have 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.120 kids because they're gay. And then that's. 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:15.600 What you're saying. 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:18.439 He said thirty They wanted to hire thirty percent of 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:21.920 the government workforce as sexual minorities. So you're referring to 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:24.559 gay people, and Blake correct me. 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:26.200 That would lower the gay rate in our government. They 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:31.400 that would lower the Yeah, it's it's it's sad to see. 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:35.920 Yeah, So tell me about your your story. How do 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:36.360 you fit in? 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:42.680 One problem in South Korea is, for instance, young Christian 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:45.600 women women they do not want to have baby. Actually, 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:47.600 it's ridiculous, that's weird. 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:48.600 The Bible says they should. 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:52.280 Yeah, but there's no Christian word you actually in South 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:56.120 Korea churches and among Christians. So that's the problem of 0:10:56.160 --> 0:11:00.480 South Korea. And that results in the I think my 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:05.160 father finally and during COVID nineteen there are lots of 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:08.400 megachurch in South Grade. You know, maybe the biggest church 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:11.320 is South in South Korea, full constat church. Yeah, and 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:14.319 so in soult but their biggest in. 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:15.680 The world, biggest in the world. 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:21.640 But pastors think like there are seventy percent conservative people, 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:26.040 but there are thirty percent Democrats. Democrats is in the church. 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:31.880 So they gave up to speak speak speak up about 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:35.240 birthrate or that kind of thing. So because it. 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:39.000 Would make a lot of people uncomfortable. M hm, even 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:41.400 although it was one third of the Christian population. Are 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:46.280 you guys married, My brother's married, dear kids, yeah, two kids. 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:52.120 Ah, single handedly triple in the country's birth rate. 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:56.000 Yes, and I have much more. Yeah, I love it anymore. 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.800 And once I get married, I should get married soon. Yeah, 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:01.840 something I need to learn. Or Mike as well, I'm 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:05.200 you know, many many much older than he is, but 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:07.120 much respect for you man. 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:09.800 Thank you, I get married young. Ed's all, Charlie, is 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:14.040 what it is. So what what is the best way 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:16.760 to get your dad out of prison right now? And 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:18.400 how long is his sentenced? 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:20.960 So which is unpresented? 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:24.800 The prosecutors ask for one year imprisonment and this this 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:27.480 is absurd because when you look at the legal presidents 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:32.280 for the electional violation, even the ones that have ran 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:36.120 for the office, they have only gotten fined. So it's 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:39.200 not much of a you know, criminal thing that you 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:44.280 know you would get in prison for. But prosecutors asking 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:48.800 me one for one year imprisonment is absurd and it 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:52.880 could be up to one year. But so as sons, 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:55.480 we personally want my father to be released because they're 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:59.600 going after the church, church members, assistant pastors, and police 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:05.520 accessing my family's telecommunication education logs multiple times for investigation, 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:10.160 and they could add more charges to my father's case 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:13.960 so they can lock him up again. But long term wise, 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:18.280 we need not only South Koreans, but American and also 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:23.000 Christians in the world to raise voices to secure releases, 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:27.400 freedom and freedom of religious education. And I believe that 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:30.719 that is what's essential in looking at this case and 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:37.160 know that that this will come to your door someday, everybody. 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:40.520 This is Andrew Covett, executive producer of The Charlie Kirk Show. 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:43.679 BURNA is proud to continue supporting Charlie Kirk's mission and 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:47.280 the important work of turning Point USA because empowering Americans 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.600 to defend their freedoms begins with protecting themselves, their families, 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:53.760 and their communities. The Burna les lethal launcher looks like 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:56.840 a firearm, but it isn't one. 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Go to Burna by 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:34.440 RNA dot com. That's burna dot com. And see why 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:37.080 tens of thousands of Americans are choosing Burna for peace 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:37.800 of mind. 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:43.120 How many pastors like your dad are imprisoned in Korea 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:43.600 right now? 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:47.320 None? Because my father is the most vocal one and 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:49.440 they are setting example right now. 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:50.240 Got it. 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:52.080 There's no other ones prior to him though, that have 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:52.800 been released. 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:53.440 No. 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:59.160 So in May, my father's Cigaret Church and our home 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:05.000 were rated, which is also unpresented. And in July, Yoda 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:07.480 Full Gospel Church, which is the biggest church. Again, like 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:13.360 you said, Mikey has been raided, and the most influential pastor, 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:19.040 doctor Billy Kim, his broadcasting company has been raided. He 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:21.880 was the interpreter for Billy Gore and Crusade in Korea. 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:25.600 And so they have rated the most vocal one, my father, 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:27.960 biggest church and the most influential. 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:28.320 Yeah. 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:31.560 You know, actually this really pisses me off because it 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:37.080 was at that event in Korea that Yoida Full Gospel Church, 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:39.440 the pastor was going to speak at that build Up 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:43.880 Korea event, and they had like thirty five pastors that 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:47.560 were signed up to come, and all these donors that 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:51.200 had had pledged funds for the event, and then two 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:55.160 days prior they found out Charlie was coming and Americans 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:59.760 were coming, and the government reached out to these people 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:04.240 and threatened them, and so Yudo Full Gospel pulls out, 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:06.360 the biggest church in the world pulls out of this event, 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:10.640 and all of the pastors cancel, and only three showed up. 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:14.640 And of the three that showed up, only one decided 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:18.240 and promised to meet with Charlie. And that was your dad, 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:23.400 and he's paying the consequences of that. And on top 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:26.120 of that, the donors were targeted, they pulled all their funds. 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:33.240 It makes me furious at your government one but two, 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:37.520 it also makes me really upset at the pastors who 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:40.200 aren't willing to say I don't care if I go 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:46.240 to jail like Charlie. These people declined a meeting with Charlie, 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:50.080 and he gave his entire life, everything that he had 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:53.840 to offer, He sacrificed, quite literally to the point of death. 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:57.280 And these pastors can't even be brave enough to go 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:00.520 to a meeting because they're afraid of losing their congregation, 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:06.080 in their paycheck and their comfortability, and so honestly they 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:08.879 need to probably be ashamed of themselves and use this 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:13.560 as an opportunity to repent and stand up and for 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:17.040 your dad, we need to use this as an opportunity 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:19.800 to blast this message as far as it can go 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:23.320 and to the people that are watching this too. This 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:27.040 is Charlie was heavily invested in your dad's story. He 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:29.080 took that picture because he wanted to get your dad 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:31.480 out of prison, and he didn't even know he was 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:37.480 in prison yet. And so I, whatever it is, we 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:40.960 want to help. But the more your story can be 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:43.440 out there, the better. What is your dad facing in 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:45.520 prison on a day to day basis. 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:49.560 To share a little bit more so the first three weeks, 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:54.159 the prisoners there would have access to kenty where they 0:17:54.200 --> 0:18:00.400 can buy underwares and blankets and extra etc. But every 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:03.240 four days when they would have the access to canteen, 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:09.720 the prosecutors and police they called my father in for questioning. 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:15.840 So he would have worn he warned, he wore the 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:19.560 underwears that the previous inmate from that cell will be wearing. 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:22.840 So when I was imagined that, you know, my father, 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:27.159 he's coming from a very you know, the bottom, you know, 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:31.199 for life. But hygiene is one of you know, one 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:34.199 of the things that he really cared about. But him 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:37.440 going through that and many men you know, binding him, 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:40.639 binding my father in ropes, things like that and delaying 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:43.679 the legal process have been very hard for my family. 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:47.600 But I know God has allowed this time and this 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:49.359 environment for a reason. 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:51.120 So yeah, yep. 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:55.760 And uh, he's in a cell that's only a five 0:18:55.800 --> 0:19:00.600 meter square, so very small by himself and mhm. 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:02.560 Yeah, very cold he has. 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:06.320 There's a barely heating system there, so they have to 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:09.439 put warm water in a pee tea bottle and he 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:13.560 has to uh, you know, put that between the arms 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:16.439 to keep himself a little warmer and sleep through that. 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:18.639 So a lot of prayers needed. 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:19.560 Hm hmmm. 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:22.560 So is this a is this a big news story 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:24.720 in Korea or how much does tension does it get 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:25.920 in the wider. 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:29.879 Yes, So a lot of Christians are raising their voices 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:33.560 and we are we are free, furious, not only us, 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:36.800 but you know, just like how America has been doing 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:42.159 under Biden administration, the current regime has taken over media, 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:46.080 especially the legacy media and stay controlled media as well 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:50.720 education and church as well, silence and pastors. So not 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:54.639 enough of you know, coverage are getting. 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:58.560 They want to add something and Korea legacy media. They 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:00.679 are talking about my father has. 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:04.680 Far right, far right and that one before. 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:09.200 Yeah, and personally, personally, we are receiving receiving a lots 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:13.840 of messages from megachurch pastors, of pastors and lots of 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:17.760 pastors from South Korea, but they are not speaking up, 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:22.000 speaking out publicly. They're hesitant. Yes, personally, we are getting 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:23.840 lots of support, supporting message. 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:28.000 Yeah, yeah, hm hm wow. 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:31.320 I'm just do you get Yeah, I'm just thinking of 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:34.480 like the Gospel of Matthew, the whited sepulchers, you know, 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:37.639 right just on the outside, but like rotten within, and 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:41.400 it's very it's it's hugely upsetting you. You're a pastor 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:45.120 and you sympathize in private, but you won't say anything publicly. 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:47.480 What what is the point of being a pastor? Why 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:48.480 do you even exist? 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:49.520 Yeah, there are a. 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:52.520 Lot of elders and uh, past pastors in Korea that 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:54.960 have been reaching out to us and also uh you know, 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:58.000 messaging us. But they what they say is, you know, 0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:01.760 there are forty or thirty per sent that are voting 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:06.520 for the Democrats, so we can't and we're not able 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:09.639 to speak out for your father. So We've been praying 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:12.959 for you, but not public key that we can do 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:14.639 that we are not able to do anything. 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:22.360 Yeah, Well for you guys, have you faced any backlash criticism? 0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:27.400 Has your family been targeted at all? Your children, your wife? 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:28.800 What have you guys faced? 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:31.639 And also do you get do you have people receive 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:34.199 your message better here in America or in Korea? 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:37.920 A lot better in America because I feel like this 0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:41.520 is this is really sad and in a way funny 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:45.199 because there are a lot of Christians supporting my family 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:48.399 and my father as well and SECO Church. But I 0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:52.840 feel like Americans are speaking out even louder than Christian 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:56.879 Koreans and Christians uh, Christians in Korea and. 0:21:57.119 --> 0:22:01.560 Yeah, actually lots of thought Koreans. They are threatened by 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:05.760 current government, so I can't understand why they are hesitating 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:08.919 to supporting us, to support us publicly. 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:13.000 Uh. And we are actually being mocked a lot on 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:16.080 social media and you know, news articles saying my father 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:18.520 is far far right extremist. 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:19.840 And also when. 0:22:19.840 --> 0:22:26.240 Charlie visited to to attend event, the legacy media and 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:30.680 the state control media framed Charlie as the far right extremist. 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:33.280 And what I even said on social media. Is he's 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:36.919 the one who has been welcoming debate and free speech. 0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:41.080 So even if the Democrats want to say things against 0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:44.480 you know, Charlie or us, it's okay because as long 0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:47.000 as you have logic, which they don't have a lot 0:22:47.000 --> 0:22:50.160 of times, you know, they've been like that. And ever 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:55.119