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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager. Here thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>On today's episode of Timeless Wisdom.

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<v Speaker 2>There is one question I will tell you now that

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<v Speaker 2>is not answerable. That is simply a matter of faith.

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<v Speaker 2>And I respect both positions equally as it happens, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is God directs everything or God allows randomness to

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<v Speaker 2>take place. I respect both positions equally, and I am

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<v Speaker 2>comfortable with both and uncomfortable with both.

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<v Speaker 1>That's coming off on Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager.

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<v Speaker 2>It starts right now, to be or not to be?

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<v Speaker 2>That is the question God.

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't God supposed to be good?

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<v Speaker 2>This needs supposed to love us?

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<v Speaker 4>Does God want us to suffer ten years?

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<v Speaker 2>You're not finished yet? Why did you go there? Who

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<v Speaker 2>are you? Bruce? I am God? Bingo Yazi?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that your final answer?

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<v Speaker 2>Our service has God bing ding ding ding ding ding

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<v Speaker 2>ding ding.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it was nice to meet you.

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<v Speaker 1>God.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for the Grand Canyon and good luck with

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<v Speaker 3>the apocalypse.

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<v Speaker 2>You're listening to the Dennis Prager Show, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>the Ultimate Issues hour. We talk about some great issue

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<v Speaker 2>of life. The great issue of life this hour is randomness,

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<v Speaker 2>luck and everything related to that, and it is it is.

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<v Speaker 2>There is one question I will tell you now that

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<v Speaker 2>is not answer. That is simply a matter of faith.

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<v Speaker 2>And I respect both positions equally as it happens. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about, obviously in this arena, those who do

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<v Speaker 2>believe in God, and that is God directs everything or

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<v Speaker 2>God allows randomness to take place. I respect both positions equally,

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<v Speaker 2>and I am comfortable with both and uncomfortable with both.

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<v Speaker 2>So just just know that that's one issue. It's an

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<v Speaker 2>issue that we may discuss later on in the hour,

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<v Speaker 2>But right now, I have a professor at cal Tech, California.

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<v Speaker 2>What is the actual California Instute of Technology. You see,

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<v Speaker 2>it's so funny you say cal Tech so much and

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<v Speaker 2>you forget it. It actually stands. It's probably that an MIT.

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<v Speaker 2>They are the most distinguished technology or technological universities in

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<v Speaker 2>the United States, if not the world. One on the

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<v Speaker 2>East coast, one on the West coast. He's a professor

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<v Speaker 2>who has his PhD in physics from Berkeley. Leonard Laudenell

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<v Speaker 2>and he is he teaches randomness. He teaches about randomness

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<v Speaker 2>to future scientists at cal Tech. This book was on

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<v Speaker 2>the New York Times bestseller list and is now number

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<v Speaker 2>four on the Business best Sellers. Which is interesting that

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<v Speaker 2>it would be a business bestseller. I think doctor Mlauddenew

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<v Speaker 2>I must say we have him in studio and the

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<v Speaker 2>book is titled The Drunkards Walk, How Randomness Rules our

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<v Speaker 2>lives and Dr Laddinew pleasure to have you on.

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<v Speaker 3>The Dennis Prager Show. Great to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>Now let me first deal with some definitions and then

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<v Speaker 2>we'll talk about the philosophy of all this, because we

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<v Speaker 2>use these terms all the time. And then when I

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<v Speaker 2>was looking through your book, I realized, by golly, I

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<v Speaker 2>really don't know exactly what or I thought I knew

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what I meant. If I'm told Dennis daily exercise

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<v Speaker 2>will reduce the risk of a cardio incident by twenty

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<v Speaker 2>six percent.

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<v Speaker 3>Right right?

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<v Speaker 2>What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, that means that if you look at a large

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<v Speaker 4>number of people who are in your situation, and you

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<v Speaker 4>look at two groups, one of them who do the

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<v Speaker 4>exercise and one of them who don't. Then the people

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<v Speaker 4>who do the exercise have been found to have that

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<v Speaker 4>much many fewer heart attacks.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so fine, then, so compared to those who don't

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<v Speaker 2>do it. Okay, that's what I thought it meant. But

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<v Speaker 2>looking through your book, you said, sometimes it's not quite

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<v Speaker 2>as clear as we think it is, these statements of

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<v Speaker 2>percentage less likely or more likely.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's true. You have to look at the studies.

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<v Speaker 4>If it's a medical study, one would hope that they

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<v Speaker 4>did a good study and that there were enough people

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<v Speaker 4>in the study, because when you say twenty six percent us,

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<v Speaker 4>it means that you sample to a certain numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you're right, you're right. Then I'll tell you where

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<v Speaker 2>you raised it that I'd love you to deal with. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>what are the odds against my taking two dice? And

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<v Speaker 2>because you deal with this and rolling a snake eyes

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<v Speaker 2>twice in a row, that is a two ones.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, the odds of rolling one one is one and

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<v Speaker 4>six and the odds of rolling another one is also

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<v Speaker 4>one in six. So the odds of rolling two in

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<v Speaker 4>a row are one in thirty six. And the way

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<v Speaker 4>you could look at that is there are thirty six

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<v Speaker 4>possible combinations when you roll to die two dice, and

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<v Speaker 4>they're all equally probable, given that the dice are fair.

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<v Speaker 3>If the dice are fair, and.

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<v Speaker 4>If you want to talk philosophically, that could be an

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<v Speaker 4>assumption that we might want to question. But if you

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<v Speaker 4>assume that the dice are fair, there are thirty six

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<v Speaker 4>different possibilities, each equally probable, and one only one of

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<v Speaker 4>them is two ones.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Okay, fine, but you point out, I believe it's

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<v Speaker 2>probably not going to happen if I roll thirty six.

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<v Speaker 4>Times, right, Well, that's the deeper question. Well, there's two

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<v Speaker 4>questions there. Okay, If you if you roll it a

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<v Speaker 4>small number of times, the chances are that that that

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<v Speaker 4>the results that you achieve are not going to reflect

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<v Speaker 4>the actual underlying probabilities. And that is a big issue.

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<v Speaker 4>That a big issue in interpreting life and the world

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<v Speaker 4>around us, not just in throwing dice. Take a simpler example,

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<v Speaker 4>for instance, suppose that you have a sixty percent chance

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<v Speaker 4>of success in some venture, that a company has sixty

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<v Speaker 4>percent chance of success, or you have a sixty percent

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<v Speaker 4>chance of success.

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<v Speaker 3>However you define that and.

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<v Speaker 4>Suppose that you take five shots at it, you would

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<v Speaker 4>think if your results were to reflect the underlying probabilities

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<v Speaker 4>precisely that you would get three out of five successes,

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<v Speaker 4>because that that's sixty percent of five. But in reality,

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<v Speaker 4>when you do the math, you find out that the

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<v Speaker 4>chances are only one out of three that you'll have

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<v Speaker 4>that you'll have.

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<v Speaker 3>Sixty percent or three out of five successes.

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<v Speaker 4>If your underlying probability is sixty per the chances are

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<v Speaker 4>two thirds that your results in five tries will not

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<v Speaker 4>reflect that. And there's a one in ten chance, in fact,

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<v Speaker 4>that one inten chance that you have five success or

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<v Speaker 4>five failures in a row.

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<v Speaker 2>So why would we even say it's a sixty percent chance.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it's meaningful if you have a larger number of

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<v Speaker 4>success of ries like the dice. Like the dice you

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<v Speaker 4>have to have. See, there's something in mathematics called the

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<v Speaker 4>law of large numbers, which says that if you do

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<v Speaker 4>it enough, and the chances are very great that your

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<v Speaker 4>results will reflect the underlying probabilities. One mistake that people

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<v Speaker 4>make is what psychologists call the law of small numbers,

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<v Speaker 4>which is not a law at all, So it's kind

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<v Speaker 4>of a bad term, but it's a harcastic term, and

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<v Speaker 4>what it means is they apply the law of.

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<v Speaker 3>Large numbers to small numbers, and they can't be you

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<v Speaker 3>can't be.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you look at the Fortune five hundred, if

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<v Speaker 4>every company was equal, and every company had a sixty

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<v Speaker 4>percent chance of success in a given year, and you

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<v Speaker 4>look at the track records over five years, you would

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<v Speaker 4>find fifty companies with either five straight good or bad years,

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<v Speaker 4>even though everyone had identical sixty percent chance of success.

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<v Speaker 4>Will need to understand that in that real we don't

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<v Speaker 4>often have samples of hundreds where we can write exactly that.

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<v Speaker 2>And let me explain this in layman's terms, and tell

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<v Speaker 2>me if I'm right, And that is those of you

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<v Speaker 2>who have played blackjack at a casino, say in Vegas,

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<v Speaker 2>and there there are rules in blackjack that are based

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<v Speaker 2>on numbers. In other words, if the if the the

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<v Speaker 2>dealer is showing a ten or a picture card, same thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and you have a five, you should you should think

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<v Speaker 2>what are you supposed to get hit? Exactly, But if

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<v Speaker 2>they're showing a five or a runder and you're showing something,

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<v Speaker 2>you shouldn't take a hit away. But still people will

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<v Speaker 2>draw on a fifteen when they shouldn't, and they'll get

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<v Speaker 2>a six, and they're they're terrific twenty one because it

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<v Speaker 2>interesting well, and the reason is because it's small numbers,

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<v Speaker 2>which then the casino tries to undo by having six decks.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, yeah, they try, so you can't count, So you

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<v Speaker 4>can't count, So you can't count because the odds change

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<v Speaker 4>as cars are revealed.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. So at what point when we say, you said,

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<v Speaker 2>back to the dice, it's a one in thirty six

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<v Speaker 2>chance that I will do two ones in a row? Correct?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that what you said? Okay? Now, at what point

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<v Speaker 2>is that iron clad in the billions? How many roles

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<v Speaker 2>will make that an iron clad fact? Or is there

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<v Speaker 2>never such a thing?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, there's never such Well what do you mean by

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<v Speaker 4>iron clad facts? In other words, that you will throw

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<v Speaker 4>that that that that you have exactly went out of six?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, so that's correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Never an iron clad fact, never, no matter how big

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<v Speaker 2>the number.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right. So what it becomes the chance? The chance.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's the way the law works.

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<v Speaker 4>If you tell me how if you say that that

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<v Speaker 4>the probability is one in thirty six, yeah, then the

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<v Speaker 4>law works this way. You tell me what your error

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<v Speaker 4>allowed air is away.

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<v Speaker 3>From one in thirty six? Is it one in thirty six?

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<v Speaker 4>Point one or one in thirty six point oh one

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<v Speaker 4>or okay plus or minus point oh one?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, what is that?

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<v Speaker 4>Then I can and then I can tell you, and

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<v Speaker 4>you have to also tell me how certain you want

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<v Speaker 4>to be that you're going to get within that era

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<v Speaker 4>of one.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I'll even make it broader thirty five, thirty six

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<v Speaker 2>or thirty seven.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, I would have to do a calculation, which

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<v Speaker 4>I think Boorre your your listener, It.

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<v Speaker 2>Would, it would. But but is there if you think

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<v Speaker 2>about the.

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<v Speaker 4>Coin tosses, for instance, it's you need hundreds or a thousand,

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<v Speaker 4>depending on how much margin of error you want and

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<v Speaker 4>how probable you want to be of getting within that

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<v Speaker 4>margin of error. So in the in the in the

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<v Speaker 4>in the in the coin toss example, I gave you

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<v Speaker 4>with sixty percent, depending on whether you want to have,

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<v Speaker 4>let's say, ninety five percent certainty that you're within three

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<v Speaker 4>percent of sixty percent, or do you want ninety nine

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<v Speaker 4>percent certainty that you're within one percent of.

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<v Speaker 3>You know the way these things.

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<v Speaker 4>But in general, in that example, you would probably want

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<v Speaker 4>hundreds at least exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>So, and in life we don't normally give for somebody

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<v Speaker 4>else one hundred years right.

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<v Speaker 3>What about game?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing a coin toss with you. I just got

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<v Speaker 2>three tails in a row. Is there anything in the

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<v Speaker 2>universe that would make it less likely that the fourth

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<v Speaker 2>one is a tail? Answer?

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<v Speaker 3>Let me come back.

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<v Speaker 2>We got to take a break, and then I want

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<v Speaker 2>to ask the big stuff. How does this play out

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<v Speaker 2>in our lives? Drunk drivers, cancer, et cetera. The book

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<v Speaker 2>is The Drunkard's Walk. Professor Leonard Bladenow. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>Ultimate Issues Hour on the Dennis Prager Show.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode of Timeless Wisdom will continue right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to more of Dennis Prager's Timeless Wisdom.

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<v Speaker 2>Prager. It is the Ultimate Issues Hour. The subject is

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<v Speaker 2>the randomness of life, probability, randomness, luck. But first we're

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<v Speaker 2>establishing our parameters about what it even means. What does

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<v Speaker 2>it mean that there's a fifty percent chance? What do

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<v Speaker 2>we even understand that sort of stuff? And there's a

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<v Speaker 2>best selling book out on that called The Drunkard's Walk,

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<v Speaker 2>How Randomness Rules Our Lives? Leonard Mladenow or Maladenow mL

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<v Speaker 2>od that's the Malod I now in l He is

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<v Speaker 2>a He teaches at cal Tech California Institute of technology

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<v Speaker 2>and has a PhD in physics. Okay, doctor Maladden, Now

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<v Speaker 2>let's do a real life a situation. Then go to

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<v Speaker 2>the great some of the great philosophic questions, because you

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<v Speaker 2>have some stories there from your parents' lives which are riveting.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's talk about sports for a moment. In a

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<v Speaker 2>world series, the winner is the team that wins four

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<v Speaker 2>games first, four out of seven. It's called obviously. It

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<v Speaker 2>is said though, among baseball, basketball, hockey, football connoisseurs, that

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<v Speaker 2>the winner is not necessarily the best team because pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much any team can beat any pro team can beat

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<v Speaker 2>any other pro team on any given day. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>they always say. So does do your statistics of randomness

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<v Speaker 2>and probability support that statement that in a four out

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<v Speaker 2>of seven series the best team doesn't have all that

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<v Speaker 2>much more likelihood? You have to play a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>than seven games for it to play out.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, first we have to recognize that in sports is

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<v Speaker 4>a good orient to test these ideas because it's controlled,

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<v Speaker 4>there are set rules, and the statistics are publicly available.

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<v Speaker 4>But in sports there are many random factors depending on

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<v Speaker 4>the sport. But if there weren't random factors, and any

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<v Speaker 4>time one team teamMy play team B. You'd have the

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<v Speaker 4>same result. Teammate would win every time, but they don't

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<v Speaker 4>because there are random factors, which can be anything from

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<v Speaker 4>someone not feeling well to the wind blowing the wrong

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<v Speaker 4>way or different things. But you let's say that we

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<v Speaker 4>took a team, and let's take baseball, and that team

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<v Speaker 4>A had A was better than team B. Let's say

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<v Speaker 4>their their theoretical advantage was fifty five percent to forty

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<v Speaker 4>five so if they played a zillion games, they would

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<v Speaker 4>tend to win fifty five percent of them. Now they

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<v Speaker 4>play a seven game series and best of seven wins, Well,

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<v Speaker 4>if you do the calculation, then you'll find that the

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<v Speaker 4>chances are about forty percent that the lesser team in

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<v Speaker 4>that case will win the seventh best of seven series.

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<v Speaker 2>So even in seven games, game.

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<v Speaker 3>Is almost a toss up.

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<v Speaker 2>And oh wait, oh, you consider forty percent toss up.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it's forty versus sixty, so the superior team will

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<v Speaker 4>win more often. But certainly I wouldn't bet my life

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<v Speaker 4>on even car of.

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<v Speaker 2>Course, but wait, if they played one thousand games.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, so here's the question is and that we were

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<v Speaker 4>talking before about when you can use a law of

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<v Speaker 4>large numbers. Let's say you wanted to lower the percentage

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<v Speaker 4>in this case of the lower of the lesser team

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<v Speaker 4>winning with the four or seven series winning the best

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<v Speaker 4>of something series, how many games do you have to play?

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<v Speaker 4>If you're willing to accept a twenty five percent chance

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<v Speaker 4>of the lesser team winning, then you have to play

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<v Speaker 4>the best of forty game series. Oh and if you

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<v Speaker 4>want to have what they call statistical significance, there's only

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<v Speaker 4>a five percent chance the lesser team will win. In

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<v Speaker 4>this case, you'd have to play a two hundred and

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<v Speaker 4>sixty nine games.

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<v Speaker 2>It does support the theory that seven games is an

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<v Speaker 2>advantage for the worst team.

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<v Speaker 4>Seven games gives them a shot, right, yes, it might

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<v Speaker 4>allow better shot. As in most of life, as I

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<v Speaker 4>keep saying, you don't really play, you have enough opportunities

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<v Speaker 4>to really see what's going on. You know, it's almost

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<v Speaker 4>two baseball seasons or one and a half or several

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<v Speaker 4>basketball seasons to really see what's going on. Of course,

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<v Speaker 4>different games are different backs you might want to factor

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<v Speaker 4>in home court advantagees were cimplified.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, I want to remember that. That is fascinating A Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I get it, I really do get it. Two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and sixty nine games would have to be played in

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<v Speaker 2>order to ensure that you got what should be the

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<v Speaker 2>chances of the worst team winning.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, if one team is better than the other by

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<v Speaker 4>fifty five to forty five, I get you where there

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<v Speaker 4>usually are pretty close.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 4>But if you want to minimize, if you want to

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<v Speaker 4>have the chances being only one out of twenty or

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<v Speaker 4>five percent that the lesser team will win, you have

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<v Speaker 4>to play two.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand the sixty nine right right, I understand now.

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<v Speaker 2>To make it clear to folks out there, if the

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<v Speaker 2>team is much better than another team, let's say the

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<v Speaker 2>first place team and the last place team played a

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<v Speaker 2>World Series, you wouldn't need two hundred less.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it. You have to do.

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<v Speaker 2>The calcultation ends on what the so that's so. So

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<v Speaker 2>there are a lot of a lot of factors, all right. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously we try to apply this to our lives. Where

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<v Speaker 2>where does this apply? In other words, if somebody, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>and it makes me very angry to even say this,

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<v Speaker 2>will be hit by a drunk driver today on some

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<v Speaker 2>highway in America, that you view that as utterly random from.

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<v Speaker 4>The point of view of the person who was hit. Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>it is, I would viewed as a random event in

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<v Speaker 4>the sense that it's unpredictable, and all you can say

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<v Speaker 4>when you leave the house is what your probabilities are

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<v Speaker 4>of getting hit. There's no deterministic factor unless you're the

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<v Speaker 4>one drinking.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly, exactly now, The only the only balance in

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<v Speaker 2>view would be that there was a divine will that

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<v Speaker 2>you be hit that day, right, I mean there was,

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<v Speaker 2>There is no other There's no third possibility. There's divine

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<v Speaker 2>will that you be hit there, or there is randomness

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<v Speaker 2>now and now the problem is that a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>religious people feel that God and randomness can coexist. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't happen to agree with that, but I, as I

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<v Speaker 2>said earlier, I respect that view, but I don't happen

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<v Speaker 2>to agree with that. I think that God made a

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<v Speaker 2>world where you can be hit by a drunk driver,

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<v Speaker 2>and God didn't will it now? And I know you're

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<v Speaker 2>not theologically that's not your area. But but is that

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<v Speaker 2>a fair statement? There is no other possibility?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>Either was what the other possibility would be that you

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<v Speaker 4>that you have some control over the situation or the

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<v Speaker 4>other the drunk which I don't feel that you do yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people like to believe that positive thinking

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<v Speaker 2>will make sure that no, exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's an interesting illustration because what it shows is

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<v Speaker 4>that very small see, our lives are guided not just

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<v Speaker 4>by our abilities and our efforts, but also by random

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<v Speaker 4>factors that happen. And it's those factors and our reactions

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<v Speaker 4>to them that govern a lot of our lives. And

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<v Speaker 4>in this case, this is an example where a very

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<v Speaker 4>small random factor like having an extra cup of coffee

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<v Speaker 4>could save your life and you'd never know it, because

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<v Speaker 4>you will not know that you would have been hit

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<v Speaker 4>had you left a minute earlier. Yes, of course, and

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<v Speaker 4>sometimes something happens.

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<v Speaker 2>But you yeah, or you could have the same cup

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<v Speaker 2>of coffee and it causes.

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<v Speaker 3>You cause me to be hit.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And and and when you look back at your lives,

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<v Speaker 4>there are many areas where you can identify relatively well

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<v Speaker 4>completely unrelated events that changed your life completely. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>in my life that's happened. But in the book, I

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<v Speaker 4>tend to focus more on people that are more interesting

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<v Speaker 4>than I. And for instance, Bruce Willis is one example

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<v Speaker 4>I give. And he was a struggling actor, not a

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<v Speaker 4>complete unknown, so people had looked at him just no

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<v Speaker 4>one picked him out and said you're the man.

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<v Speaker 3>He was in New York tending.

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<v Speaker 4>Bar on and off, being an off Broadway plays and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 4>And then one one summer he decided to, depending on

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<v Speaker 4>which story you believe, to visit his girlfriend in Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 4>or if you believe another version, to go see the

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<v Speaker 4>eighty four Olympics. And he came out to Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 4>and an agent recommended that he go and try out

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<v Speaker 4>for this TV show that they were casting. And the

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<v Speaker 4>TV show already had a favorite. But he showed up

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<v Speaker 4>there and of the three decision makers, two out of

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<v Speaker 4>three didn't like him, and the other one did.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, you'll tell us the rest when we come back.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll take your calls. We got a full board already.

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<v Speaker 2>One eight Prager seven seven six.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode of Timeless Wisdom continue right after this. Now

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<v Speaker 1>back to more of Dennis Prager's Timeless Wisdom.

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<v Speaker 2>The subject of this Ultimate Issues hour is randomness. How

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<v Speaker 2>randomness rules our lives? Is the book which is titled

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<v Speaker 2>The Drunkard's Walk by Leonard Mladenow, and it's up at

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<v Speaker 2>Praguer Radio dot com. At the blog he teaches exactly

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<v Speaker 2>this subject. Doctor Vladenell at Caltech, and you were telling

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<v Speaker 2>the story about Bruce Willis, who coincidentally turned out to

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<v Speaker 2>come out to Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 3>Where he had no.

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<v Speaker 2>Career at the time in acting, and somebody suggested the audition.

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<v Speaker 2>Two out of the three judges of the audition were

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<v Speaker 2>not in favor of him.

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<v Speaker 4>Go on, well, I should say he had some career,

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<v Speaker 4>but not a hugely successful Okay, he was still bar

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<v Speaker 4>attending bar in New York. And well, two out of

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<v Speaker 4>three did not recognize that he would be a great star.

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<v Speaker 4>The other one ended up convincing the other two and

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<v Speaker 4>they did hire him. And then the show went on

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<v Speaker 4>the air and was not a great success actually, and

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<v Speaker 4>it went on mid season. It's called Moonlighting that people

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<v Speaker 4>may remember. And in the second season it just took

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<v Speaker 4>off and made him a big star. And then the

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<v Speaker 4>Diehard series came in and the rest is history. But

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<v Speaker 4>the point of that story is two points. One is

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<v Speaker 4>that despite all our planning and all our efforts and

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<v Speaker 4>trying very hard to maximize our success, quite often it's

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<v Speaker 4>really random events that have a huge effect on us.

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<v Speaker 4>And the other thing is that even though events always

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<v Speaker 4>look clear in hindsight, and if you look at Bruce Willis,

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<v Speaker 4>now you'll say star, charisma, genius, whatever. He's had a

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<v Speaker 4>huge career that's only clear in hindsight, and it wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>clear before had plenty of people had seen him, and

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<v Speaker 4>no one had said, this man is a certain star,

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<v Speaker 4>this man has all this career when we have to

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<v Speaker 4>hire him. And to take it away from that, I

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<v Speaker 4>talk about in the Drunkards walk about Pearl Harbor nine

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<v Speaker 4>to eleven other examples where people have looked in hindsight

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<v Speaker 4>and saw that things looked very clear, and that you

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<v Speaker 4>could trace a series of events and say one event

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<v Speaker 4>A cluse, B, colass c. And therefore we should have known.

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<v Speaker 4>But the point is that there are often many different

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<v Speaker 4>options that could have happened between A and B, or

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<v Speaker 4>between B and C. And when you're back at A

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<v Speaker 4>and your face with this tree of a million options,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not all that clear which one is going to happen.

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<v Speaker 4>It's only clear after it happens and you trace it backwards.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's that's another importsison.

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<v Speaker 2>So in governing your own life based on your expertise

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<v Speaker 2>in random statistics, et cetera, in governing your own life,

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<v Speaker 2>because I could say, it governs a lot of my thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, I wear a seat belt every time I drive.

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<v Speaker 2>I've read the data, and they strike me is so

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<v Speaker 2>persuasive that in case of an accident, injury or death,

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<v Speaker 2>so much lesson.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. It's a good example.

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<v Speaker 4>But you can also find people who tell you that

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<v Speaker 4>they only live through their accent because of some they

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<v Speaker 4>did not wear.

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<v Speaker 3>That is right, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I always use that as an example of how a

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<v Speaker 2>generalization is true even though they were.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's what happens when there's probability is involved. So

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<v Speaker 4>what you're doing when you're putting on the seatbelt is

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<v Speaker 4>increasing your probability of surviving an accident, right, Maybe a

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<v Speaker 4>case where.

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<v Speaker 2>Where it will guarantee my death.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, And in life I'm not saying it's very important

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<v Speaker 4>for me to say that. I'm not saying that ability

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't matter and that effort doesn't matter. What I'm saying

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<v Speaker 4>is there's also another component, of course, if you have

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<v Speaker 4>a bunch of failures. For instance, if you're JK. Rowling

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<v Speaker 4>and your your book is rejected nine times, don't give

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<v Speaker 4>up her book first. Harry Potter was rejected nine times.

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<v Speaker 4>John Grisham's A Time to kill was rejected over twenty times.

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<v Speaker 4>There is a million stars. I have the diar of

0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:16.480
<v Speaker 4>Anne Frank. The manuscript was sent to a New York

0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:20.720
<v Speaker 4>publisher for translation before it as can't come out, and

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<v Speaker 4>it was rejected and it was described as a petty

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<v Speaker 4>another petty example of teenage family. Yea, all these things

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<v Speaker 4>can happen. It doesn't mean that they're true. It doesn't

0:24:34.240 --> 0:24:36.080
<v Speaker 4>mean you should take it to heart. One of the

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<v Speaker 4>lessons of the book is to get many at bats,

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<v Speaker 4>many opportunities, because your chances are almost never one percent

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<v Speaker 4>of success, and it may be small at the endeavor

0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:47.040
<v Speaker 4>you're trying, but if you keep trying, the chances are

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<v Speaker 4>very great that something will happen for you. And if

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<v Speaker 4>you're a great success, if you're on the bestseller list,

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<v Speaker 4>which I'm happy to be, you have to recognize that

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of that was luck.

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<v Speaker 3>Well. You shouldn't get arrogant about it.

0:24:59.880 --> 0:25:03.040
<v Speaker 2>That's right, that's it's it's humbling. It's humbling, listen. I

0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:06.639
<v Speaker 2>have talked about this with regard to marriage. I was

0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:10.440
<v Speaker 2>just with a couple married forty nine years. They married

0:25:10.560 --> 0:25:15.760
<v Speaker 2>after four four days fifty years ago. What they mad

0:25:16.320 --> 0:25:18.960
<v Speaker 2>and I said, so it's obvious. I said, the secret

0:25:19.160 --> 0:25:23.399
<v Speaker 2>to your great marriage's luck. They said entirely, entirely, and

0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:26.960
<v Speaker 2>that is that is very very people should work on

0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:31.280
<v Speaker 2>their marriages, obviously, but the luck in every area of life.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to take your calls when we come back.

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<v Speaker 2>Then he has a you have very very powerful story

0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:39.520
<v Speaker 2>about your parents. I want you to tell one eighth

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<v Speaker 2>Prager seven seven six, Hi, everybody, the ultimate issues our

0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:49.360
<v Speaker 2>Dennis Prager here and I am with doctor Leonard Mludnow.

0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:54.640
<v Speaker 2>He is teaches a cal Tech teaches randomness. His book

0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:57.240
<v Speaker 2>is exactly about that. It's called The Drunkard's Walk. How

0:25:57.320 --> 0:26:02.000
<v Speaker 2>randomness rules are alives? And I happen to agree with

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<v Speaker 2>just about everything here. And I think the rational person

0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:08.800
<v Speaker 2>maximizes odds as much as possible. That's why I wear

0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:13.160
<v Speaker 2>a seat belt, even though I acknowledged that there would

0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:16.359
<v Speaker 2>be occasions in a crash where in fact, wearing a

0:26:16.359 --> 0:26:19.200
<v Speaker 2>seat belt would be bad. But in the vast majary

0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:21.719
<v Speaker 2>of cases, it's a good thing. You maximize your odds.

0:26:22.440 --> 0:26:25.480
<v Speaker 2>That that's that's what we do. But but it but

0:26:25.560 --> 0:26:28.320
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't dictate what will happen to you. The odds

0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:32.160
<v Speaker 2>don't dictate anything. They are just what they are, and

0:26:32.200 --> 0:26:36.679
<v Speaker 2>we try we try to live accordingly. And let's go

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<v Speaker 2>to some of your calls. One eight Prager seven seven

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<v Speaker 2>six in Conroe, Texas. It's Kenneth. Hi, Kenneth Urn with

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<v Speaker 2>Dennis Prager and doctor Malaudenelle.

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<v Speaker 5>Hi. Guys, good evening.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi.

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<v Speaker 5>I have a challenge for the doctor. In my theory,

0:26:51.880 --> 0:26:55.600
<v Speaker 5>randomness is actually a misunderstanding or lack of understanding of

0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:58.399
<v Speaker 5>the events that are occurring. For instance, in his dice

0:26:58.440 --> 0:27:01.240
<v Speaker 5>throwing analogy, if we knew the force and the angle

0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:03.480
<v Speaker 5>which was they were being thrown, the spin on the dice,

0:27:03.520 --> 0:27:05.480
<v Speaker 5>and the surface on which they were landing, we could

0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:07.800
<v Speaker 5>guarantee every time that we would know without some of

0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:09.040
<v Speaker 5>the dice. Is it not correct?

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<v Speaker 3>You're absolutely correct?

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, wait wait, that's that's very good, Very good, Kenneth.

0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:16.919
<v Speaker 2>So you're you're saying, and then of course we're going

0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:18.760
<v Speaker 2>to have your response. So I just want to understand

0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:23.320
<v Speaker 2>your saying there it's contextual in every instance.

0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:25.000
<v Speaker 3>No, it's not.

0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:27.879
<v Speaker 2>That's what he's saying. I'm saying what he's saying, Kenneth,

0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:29.080
<v Speaker 2>that there's never.

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<v Speaker 3>Kenneth, do you know about quantum mechanics.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I know that there's a great lack of understanding

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<v Speaker 5>about the way quantum mechanics works.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, sir, Actually I would say that there is a

0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:42.560
<v Speaker 4>pretty good understanding of it.

0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:44.959
<v Speaker 3>But we don't need to get into physics here.

0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:48.359
<v Speaker 4>But I I do talk in the book a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit about a discussion I had with a fellow who

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<v Speaker 4>was very religious who had a hard time accepting that there.

0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:54.720
<v Speaker 3>Was any randomness in the world.

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<v Speaker 4>And right, and and what Kenneth is saying is absolutely true,

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<v Speaker 4>that it is contextual. And I was going to say

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<v Speaker 4>that there was some people built a machine for inst

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<v Speaker 4>that could flip a coin.

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<v Speaker 3>And gets the same heads or tails every time.

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<v Speaker 4>So when we say that they did they build such Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I actually I have a friend who claims that he

0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:15.000
<v Speaker 4>knows someone who can actually do that with his thumb.

0:28:15.520 --> 0:28:18.840
<v Speaker 4>So when we say something is random, what we mean

0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:21.000
<v Speaker 4>is is that we can only describe the possible results

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<v Speaker 4>using probabilities and not and not exactly determine with them.

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<v Speaker 4>And that depends on our knowledge. Okay, so if you

0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:32.560
<v Speaker 4>did have completely controlled conditions, you can take something that

0:28:32.640 --> 0:28:35.120
<v Speaker 4>is random. When you don't have controlled conditions, and it's

0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:37.720
<v Speaker 4>not all right, with a drunk driver. If you that's

0:28:37.760 --> 0:28:41.720
<v Speaker 4>what I was driver, Kenneth, how much they were drinking,

0:28:41.720 --> 0:28:43.400
<v Speaker 4>where they were going, you could predict things.

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<v Speaker 2>Kenneth, you will not acknowledge that if you were hit

0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:48.560
<v Speaker 2>by a drunk driver today, that would have been a

0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:52.480
<v Speaker 2>random act as far as your life is concerned, as.

0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:54.480
<v Speaker 5>Far as my life is concerned, and if you're correct,

0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:57.080
<v Speaker 5>because I don't have a control over every human being

0:28:57.120 --> 0:28:59.480
<v Speaker 5>on the face of the planet and their consumption of alcohol.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's right. So when we say random this we

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<v Speaker 3>mean contexture.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>The only exception is that physicists have found that on

0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:11.000
<v Speaker 4>a on a the small scale level, nature is ruled

0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:13.960
<v Speaker 4>by something called quantum theory. And quantum theory this is

0:29:13.960 --> 0:29:16.720
<v Speaker 4>what Einstein's objection was to it. Quantum theory has an

0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:19.960
<v Speaker 4>inherent and unavoidable random this in it, and it's not

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<v Speaker 4>due to a lack of our knowledge.

0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:22.720
<v Speaker 3>It's it's just part of nature.

0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:26.800
<v Speaker 2>So if I'm just curious now to get to it,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you, Kenneth. He's the sort of caller that makes

0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:35.880
<v Speaker 2>me proud of my listeners. A question to you, who

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<v Speaker 2>is not a theist, have you ever read, to your

0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:51.720
<v Speaker 2>satisfaction any any number any likelihood of intelligent life evolving

0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:54.920
<v Speaker 2>being created, I guess I'll use the word just existing.

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<v Speaker 2>The odds against us being around Do you do you

0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:02.040
<v Speaker 2>have any number in your mind?

0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:04.880
<v Speaker 3>No, I've read many different numbers.

0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Actually, okay, but whoever writes about it, the odds are

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<v Speaker 2>tremendously against us being here.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, But we might have to also take those odds

0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:18.280
<v Speaker 4>with the grain of salt, because people don't really know

0:30:19.080 --> 0:30:22.520
<v Speaker 4>the exact mechanisms of evolution and how or even of

0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:25.360
<v Speaker 4>planetary development to be able to say how unlikely a.

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<v Speaker 2>Base is based on what we now know, all right,

0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:30.600
<v Speaker 2>I can't say on what we may know one day

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:34.400
<v Speaker 2>based on what we now know. The odds are extraordinarily

0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:38.000
<v Speaker 2>small or large, I guess. But on the other hand,

0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:39.760
<v Speaker 2>there are hundreds of billions of stars in our Yes,

0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:43.600
<v Speaker 2>you're right, but with one hundred billion stars and one

0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:49.040
<v Speaker 2>hundred billion galaxies, the chance that that bach will come

0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:54.840
<v Speaker 2>out strikes me as infinitesimally small. And that would be

0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:58.000
<v Speaker 2>that's one of my chief arguments for a god that

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<v Speaker 2>at some point forget evolution questions and intelligent design questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Just the odds question I'm asking you was now as

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<v Speaker 2>a professor, as it was as a teacher, as a PhD,

0:31:11.880 --> 0:31:15.600
<v Speaker 2>not as a believer or non believer. Is that is

0:31:15.640 --> 0:31:22.840
<v Speaker 2>that not an argument for God? If the odds are

0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:25.800
<v Speaker 2>so small or so large, I don't know how you

0:31:25.800 --> 0:31:26.960
<v Speaker 2>put it in your language.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, in a sense, it doesn't matter how I mean

0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:34.640
<v Speaker 4>that there are other civilizations or that that we are here,

0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 4>that we are here, It doesn't really matter how how

0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:42.880
<v Speaker 4>small the odds are, because if the odds are not zero, right,

0:31:43.560 --> 0:31:46.880
<v Speaker 4>then there will be an intelligent civilization somewhere and and

0:31:46.880 --> 0:31:49.560
<v Speaker 4>and they already being one.

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<v Speaker 2>What if the odds are greater than the number of stars.

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<v Speaker 4>If the odds of intelligent life are not zero, then

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<v Speaker 4>the point is that if it's it doesn't matter if

0:32:07.600 --> 0:32:12.040
<v Speaker 4>there there still could be an intelligence. I agree, civilization

0:32:12.320 --> 0:32:15.960
<v Speaker 4>being there would naturally have more information that they have

0:32:15.960 --> 0:32:17.320
<v Speaker 4>to take into account with the odds.

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<v Speaker 2>But just as you said, there have to be a

0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:22.880
<v Speaker 2>certain number of baseball games played for the better team

0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:24.920
<v Speaker 2>to inevitably suppose it.

0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:25.560
<v Speaker 3>That's a good example.

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:27.959
<v Speaker 4>Suppose the team A has a one in one thousand

0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:30.600
<v Speaker 4>chance of beating Team B. Yeah, but you're then, but

0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:33.080
<v Speaker 4>now we're looking, since we're already here, the series has

0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:34.600
<v Speaker 4>been played, and we're saying the team a one.

0:32:35.200 --> 0:32:36.600
<v Speaker 3>So what point is it to say that the.

0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:39.640
<v Speaker 4>Teammate had one in one thousand chance of winning the series.

0:32:40.080 --> 0:32:45.440
<v Speaker 4>We know that they won, so the odds.

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<v Speaker 2>It's right, But I don't think that there are enough

0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:49.280
<v Speaker 2>games to have bach come out of it. That's all

0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:51.520
<v Speaker 2>or even or even you were all right, right, We're

0:32:51.520 --> 0:32:53.120
<v Speaker 2>going to take more calls when we come back.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode of Timeless Wisdom will continue right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to more of Dennis Prager's Timeless Wisdom.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi everybody, Dennis Prager here the final segment of a

0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:16.280
<v Speaker 2>very fast moving hour. I must say I salute my

0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:21.120
<v Speaker 2>guest Leonard modenew M l O D I. Now anyway,

0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:23.360
<v Speaker 2>it's up at Praeger Radio dot com at the blog.

0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:26.800
<v Speaker 2>The book is The Drunkard's Walk. I like that name,

0:33:26.840 --> 0:33:29.680
<v Speaker 2>by the way, Thank you. How Randomness Rules Our Lives,

0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:32.720
<v Speaker 2>which I think people would remember more readily than the title,

0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:36.240
<v Speaker 2>But it's a good title. And he teaches at cal

0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Tech and we're talking about randomness in life. I will

0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:43.240
<v Speaker 2>did we do Alan? Did we do an Ultimate Issues

0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:45.880
<v Speaker 2>hour on luck in God? We did? It's probably worth

0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:46.640
<v Speaker 2>doing another time.

0:33:46.680 --> 0:33:46.960
<v Speaker 3>As well.

0:33:47.000 --> 0:33:49.720
<v Speaker 2>It's such a big deal that I want to comfort

0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:53.240
<v Speaker 2>people on this matter. They really feel it's one or

0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:55.920
<v Speaker 2>the other, and it's not. It's I don't think, I know,

0:33:56.000 --> 0:33:58.720
<v Speaker 2>it's not. It's not a matter of you know, I

0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:03.200
<v Speaker 2>feel you have a very powerful random or luck story

0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:05.520
<v Speaker 2>with regard to your father who was in the Holocaust.

0:34:05.560 --> 0:34:06.400
<v Speaker 2>Why don't you tell that?

0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:11.680
<v Speaker 4>Well, my father was a resistance fighter in Poland during

0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:13.960
<v Speaker 4>the war and then ended up in book Involved.

0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:16.519
<v Speaker 2>Which is one of the German concentration.

0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:21.399
<v Speaker 4>Camps, and somehow when he was there, he had the

0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:24.360
<v Speaker 4>opportunity to steal a loaf of bread and he was starving.

0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:26.599
<v Speaker 4>He was when he was liberated. Finally he was about

0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:31.120
<v Speaker 4>eighty pounds and the Nazis noticed that this loaf of

0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:34.120
<v Speaker 4>bread had been stolen, and they lined up everyone who

0:34:34.120 --> 0:34:36.880
<v Speaker 4>had access to it in a row, and they said

0:34:38.120 --> 0:34:40.040
<v Speaker 4>that they wanted the person who stole the bread to

0:34:40.080 --> 0:34:42.960
<v Speaker 4>step forward, and nobody stepped.

0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:44.920
<v Speaker 3>Forward or they would kill Well, nobody.

0:34:44.640 --> 0:34:48.560
<v Speaker 4>Stepped forward, and then they said that, okay, we're going

0:34:48.640 --> 0:34:49.840
<v Speaker 4>to start at this end and we're going to just

0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:52.080
<v Speaker 4>shoot all of you until the person either steps forward

0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:54.520
<v Speaker 4>or you're all dead. And so my father told me

0:34:54.600 --> 0:34:57.759
<v Speaker 4>that he figured everyone was going to die anyway, or

0:34:57.800 --> 0:35:00.360
<v Speaker 4>he would die anyway. So he stepped forward and confessed

0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:02.320
<v Speaker 4>to taking the loaf of bread, and he thought that

0:35:02.360 --> 0:35:05.520
<v Speaker 4>they would immediately kill him, and instead they gave him

0:35:05.520 --> 0:35:08.480
<v Speaker 4>a job as an assistant in the bakery, which is

0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:15.600
<v Speaker 4>a completely random, unpredictable event, and it just I mean,

0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:17.960
<v Speaker 4>this is the way the concentration camps were, according to

0:35:18.000 --> 0:35:20.040
<v Speaker 4>the stories my father told, I could shoot you for

0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:21.719
<v Speaker 4>looking at them the wrong way, or they could do this.

0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:24.839
<v Speaker 4>And you know, if they had shot him, of course

0:35:24.840 --> 0:35:28.719
<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't be here. And that's just one of many

0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:29.719
<v Speaker 4>incidents in happening.

0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:34.280
<v Speaker 2>Nor your kids, which is why murder is the worst crime,

0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:37.640
<v Speaker 2>because you have not only killed that person, you have

0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:40.680
<v Speaker 2>killed all the generations that would have come. There's a

0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:43.359
<v Speaker 2>biblical basis for that, by the way, because when Cain

0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:50.160
<v Speaker 2>kills Abel, God says to Cain, the bloods of your

0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:55.000
<v Speaker 2>brother are crying out, not the blood and because of

0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:59.600
<v Speaker 2>all the bloodline that would that has been killed anyway,

0:35:59.640 --> 0:36:05.000
<v Speaker 2>this has been absolutely irriveting to me. The whole notion

0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:08.319
<v Speaker 2>of randomness in life, folks, is so powerful. I'll tell

0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:11.839
<v Speaker 2>you one thing, whether you're a believer or not. One

0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:17.239
<v Speaker 2>thing that is critical is that this humbles us. If

0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:20.319
<v Speaker 2>things go well in your life, I'm sure you may

0:36:20.360 --> 0:36:23.960
<v Speaker 2>have contributed. But no matter how wonderful your kids, or

0:36:24.000 --> 0:36:26.680
<v Speaker 2>your marriage, or your parents, or your work or your.

0:36:26.560 --> 0:36:28.839
<v Speaker 3>Career, there's been a lot of luck.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Leondar lud Now.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>On Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager.

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<v Speaker 2>As a rule, as a rule, there are many exceptions

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<v Speaker 2>to this rule, but as a rule, you get treated

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<v Speaker 2>back the way you treat people, and that will increase

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<v Speaker 2>your happiness by and large. If you treat people decently,

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<v Speaker 2>if you will be treated decently, and if you think

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<v Speaker 2>that you are going through life getting shafted by everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>there is something probably a little wrong in your perception.

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<v Speaker 1>This has been Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager. Visit dennispragger

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