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Speaker 2: All Right, Happy Tuesday, everybody. I hope you had a
Speaker 2: nice Memorial Day weekend. We are back. This is the
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk Show. It is May twenty sixth I had
Speaker 2: a great Memorial Day week and Blake had a great Momoris.
Speaker 3: It was awesome. Although if you're watching live, I'm wearing
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Speaker 2: We got to get right into it here because it's
Speaker 2: a huge day. The grassroots is rising up, the base
Speaker 2: is rising up in Texas, and it is the last
Speaker 2: day to vote in the runoff between Attorney General Ken
Speaker 2: Paxton and incumbent Establishment John Cornyn. And here to help
Speaker 2: us out is Ken Paxson himself, mister Attorney General. Welcome
Speaker 2: back to the show, sir.
Speaker 4: Hey, so good to be back on a very important
Speaker 4: day for Texas and I think for the entire nation
Speaker 4: to send the right message for Washington, which is, hey,
Speaker 4: we're done with the establishment.
Speaker 5: Telling us that we're gonna keep a guy.
Speaker 4: That doesn't do the things that Texans care about and
Speaker 4: does exactly what Washington wants them to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, so exactly, sir. So first of all, let's
Speaker 2: get into the mechanics. Okay, today is the last day
Speaker 2: to vote. What are their action steps? You know you
Speaker 2: are turning point action endorsed, your president Trump endorsed. You
Speaker 2: are the movement conservative in the race. You are the
Speaker 2: base and the grassroots conservative. You're the fighter. Where do
Speaker 2: people listening right now in the state of Texas? What
Speaker 2: are their marching orders?
Speaker 4: Very simple? We have till seven o'clock today. I wouldn't
Speaker 4: push it till the end because the line will be longer.
Speaker 5: At the end of the day.
Speaker 4: It's, you know, just after eleven o'clock in Texas, so
Speaker 4: you have what eight hours to go vote. I would
Speaker 4: really encourage people to get out vote today. Take a friend,
Speaker 4: take a family member, call a couple of friends, because
Speaker 4: voter turnout for a runoff is going to be relatively low.
Speaker 4: I think for the primary round ten or twelve percent.
Speaker 4: For the runoff, it's probably eighty five or six percent,
Speaker 4: maybe seven. So your vote is leveraged twenty or twenty
Speaker 4: five times. If you're voting and if you're bringing friends,
Speaker 4: we're going to win the selection.
Speaker 2: That that's a really important point. So turnout is going
Speaker 2: to be on the lower side. That's just what happens here,
Speaker 2: which makes you and this audience, especially if you're in
Speaker 2: Texas right now, have an outsized impact. Okay, so you
Speaker 2: need to get up, make a plan, go vote today.
Speaker 2: We need to absolutely, once and for all, put an
Speaker 2: end to the establishments hostile takeover of the base and
Speaker 2: of Texas. I mean, this is let's just give the
Speaker 2: audience a little bit of an understanding here, mister General,
Speaker 2: how much money has been spent against you at this
Speaker 2: point and who's interests are vested in?
Speaker 4: Senator Cornyn, this is almost This is a very high
Speaker 4: percentage of money. It's probably close to one hundred and
Speaker 4: fifty million at this point. We won't really know until
Speaker 4: it sells out, but it was about one hundred million
Speaker 4: during the original primary. In the last three months, they're
Speaker 4: probably in the forty to fifty range. So lots of
Speaker 4: money coming from d C for the most part, and
Speaker 4: the idea that they're used to being successful and if
Speaker 4: you look at the last forty or fifty years.
Speaker 5: Other than Bill Cassidy, there's.
Speaker 4: Only been two other incumbents that I know that have
Speaker 4: lost from the US Senate during the prime of it
Speaker 4: was Richard Luger in twenty twelve because it was a
Speaker 4: small state and it was self funder who beat in
Speaker 4: Richard Murdoch. And then Mike Lee in a convention state
Speaker 4: U talk where money didn't matter, he was able to win.
Speaker 4: So it's been very unusual because there's so much money
Speaker 4: coming in and they try to convince you from DC
Speaker 4: that your guy is just what you want. John Cornyn
Speaker 4: loves Donald Trump. John Corn's for the border wall, John
Speaker 4: the guy that he's running it.
Speaker 5: This is terrible.
Speaker 4: This is what they do with their one hundred fifty
Speaker 4: million and voters go, well, you know, maybe this is
Speaker 4: all true and that isn't going to.
Speaker 5: Work this time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well listen, he's been out all over Fox News
Speaker 2: this morning. I saw you were on Fox as well.
Speaker 2: This is not a you know, but candidly, that's one
Speaker 2: of the few places that'll have him right now. And
Speaker 2: by the way, we do Fox and there's nothing there.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, this is one of the few places
Speaker 2: that'll hear him out right now because base conservative movement
Speaker 2: shows like ours, like war Room, It's not gonna happen here.
Speaker 2: Check this out. This is him on Fox smearing you
Speaker 2: and saying that he can help the president. This is
Speaker 2: his final message to the voters. It's not twenty three.
Speaker 6: I know the president cares a lot about the congressional
Speaker 6: races that are right below the Senate race. And I
Speaker 6: won by ten points in twenty twenty, so I think
Speaker 6: I could be the most help to the President and
Speaker 6: his agenda in the last two years of his term
Speaker 6: of office and all the down ballot races, and Ken
Speaker 6: Paxton will be in albatross, could well lose, but even
Speaker 6: if he doesn't lose, he will win by such a
Speaker 6: razors thin margin that it's likely to have a negative
Speaker 6: drag on the down ballot races in Texas.
Speaker 2: So this is his new talking point today, sir, that
Speaker 2: you are in albatross. Your response, do.
Speaker 5: You know who he said that about?
Speaker 4: He said that about Donald Trump in twenty sixteen, said
Speaker 4: Donald Trump is an albatross around the Republican's deck. So
Speaker 4: this is a talking point that he's been using against
Speaker 4: Donald Trump, and now he's pulled it out for the
Speaker 4: race against me.
Speaker 5: And by the way, he didn't tell you that I.
Speaker 4: Won my last race by about ten points. And so
Speaker 4: what he's talking about is he's got this narrative going
Speaker 4: because he knows he doesn't have anything good to present
Speaker 4: to the voters.
Speaker 5: And so he says, look, I didn't do anything in
Speaker 5: my forty two years in office.
Speaker 4: I'm an accomplished one good thing, and no one's ever
Speaker 4: been able to tell me, by the way, in this entire.
Speaker 5: Campaign, the one good thing he did.
Speaker 4: And I've been asking that question since I got in
Speaker 4: the race fourteen months ago, and now they and I've
Speaker 4: asked it at every meeting, one person thousand what And
Speaker 4: so he doesn't have a good, good talking point, So
Speaker 4: what does he do? He says, Look, I didn't do
Speaker 4: I didn't have to say it this way, but I
Speaker 4: didn't do anything good for the voters. I don't take
Speaker 4: care of him. I vote against him a lot, I
Speaker 4: said with Joe Biden a lot. I'm not for President Trump,
Speaker 4: but I can win the election. Vote for me, even
Speaker 4: though it's not true, it's not any different than me
Speaker 4: running that the numbers don't indicate that he'll do any better.
Speaker 4: Matter of fact, some pulls out me doing better than him.
Speaker 4: So this is just a made up talking point, and
Speaker 4: that's part of how he's used his money to try
Speaker 4: to convince voters that of something that's not true.
Speaker 3: This is a ken. I was looking up here since
Speaker 3: he said he said the same thing in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3: I thought, oh, let's check that if that was a paraphrase. No, literally, verbatim.
Speaker 3: This is CNN. In February twenty sixteen, Majority with John
Speaker 3: Cornyn raised serious concerns about Donald Trump's surging presidential bid. Quote,
Speaker 3: we can't have a nominee be in albatross around the
Speaker 3: down ballot races, Cornyn told CNN when asked if he
Speaker 3: had concerns, that is a concern of mine. Unquote. That
Speaker 3: is remarkable.
Speaker 5: That is a and totally was he was John. It
Speaker 5: was John Forrren right about that.
Speaker 4: I mean, look, he he didn't come back and admit
Speaker 4: that he was completely wrong on Donald Trump. As a
Speaker 4: matter of fact, he doubled down in twenty twenty four
Speaker 4: and said, guess what President Trump's.
Speaker 5: Day is over. His day is over, and I'm we.
Speaker 4: Need another nominee that can that can leave the party
Speaker 4: and do better in the general election.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Listen, he didn't he didn't use the Alba Truss word,
Speaker 4: but he said his day is done. And what I'm
Speaker 4: saying today is no, John, President Trump's day is not done.
Speaker 5: Your day is done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's obscene too. I mean, he's he's been
Speaker 2: weak on immigration, he's been weak on MAGA America. First,
Speaker 2: he's a total established mccrony. One hundred and fifty million
Speaker 2: dollars poured into this race that should have been used
Speaker 2: on other races. Targeting you, smearing you is absolute proof
Speaker 2: in the putting that we need to get these guys
Speaker 2: out of DC once and for all. They are not
Speaker 2: the right fit for Texas. John Corny's got to go.
Speaker 2: This is not in the bag though. People need to
Speaker 2: show up today. Go to and you you were tweeting
Speaker 2: this at this link. Out vote Texas DOTUV, find a
Speaker 2: polling place, get behind Attorney General Packson is your next
Speaker 2: senator from the great state of Texas. Senator uh mister
Speaker 2: Attorney General. Final fifteen seconds to you, sir.
Speaker 5: Look, we have a chance to send a message. It's
Speaker 5: one of two.
Speaker 4: The first message is we're gonna we're gonna accept what
Speaker 4: they tell us in Washington. We're gonna keep their guy
Speaker 4: second message. No, we're gonna start shaking things up. We're
Speaker 4: gonna send somebody to Washington.
Speaker 5: Let you do something good to the state of Texas
Speaker 5: and for this country.
Speaker 2: Guys, this the Steaks could not be bigger in this race.
Speaker 2: This is a giant middle finger to you. The one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty million dollars they pumped into this race
Speaker 2: that should have been spent in North Carolina, Georgia, should
Speaker 2: have been spent in Michigan. Instead, they're trying to take
Speaker 2: out a good man that the grassroots loves, the base loves.
Speaker 2: So go to we gotta have your back, we gotta
Speaker 2: get a let's let's let's go big. I want to
Speaker 2: see a decisive victory defeating John Cornyon today in the
Speaker 2: state of Texas. I believe that tech since can do this.
Speaker 2: God bless you, sir. We got your back one hundred
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Speaker 2: you know, I think more importantly than anything, Grassroots endorsed.
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Speaker 2: the polls. It's a low turnout race. Your vote means
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Speaker 2: you're listening in Texas, get out, make a plan, and
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Speaker 2: a huge day in many respects. We just spoke with
Speaker 2: Attorney General Kem Pax in the State of Texas, who
Speaker 2: is He's taken down a goliath. This is a David
Speaker 2: versus Goliad one hundred and fifty million bucks spent on
Speaker 2: that primary, not even to beat a Democrat, to beat
Speaker 2: a Republican, a good Republican who has President Trump's endorsement,
Speaker 2: who has turningboyne actions endorsement.
Speaker 3: You just think about the conversations they might have after this,
Speaker 3: because they probably told some people, you know, you're expected
Speaker 3: to pony up for this sure thing one percent, and
Speaker 3: it's going to be a very awkward phone call.
Speaker 2: Yeah the next day.
Speaker 3: I mean, so you set one hundred and fifty million
Speaker 3: on fire for a primary that you lost.
Speaker 2: Just think about what we could have done with that.
Speaker 2: But this is such an important moment in our politics
Speaker 2: because these guys keep trying to claw their way back in. Okay,
Speaker 2: the Neo khn wing of the party is gone and
Speaker 2: needs to be in the dustbin of history. This this
Speaker 2: is a party we are. President Trump was elected on peace.
Speaker 2: That's why we got to get peace and Iran. We
Speaker 2: gotta get this war, this conflict settled. He was he
Speaker 2: was elected on the border. John Cornan's week on that
Speaker 2: on that topic extraordinarily, So he's a he's a total softy.
Speaker 2: Everything in John Cornan's being has been despite his voters.
Speaker 2: He doesn't care about what real Texans want, real base conservatives,
Speaker 2: grassroots conservatives wants, and he's doing the same old tired
Speaker 2: line from the establishment that are always unelectable. He's a
Speaker 2: all albatrosse. No, you know who the albatross is. It's
Speaker 2: John Cornyan. In a mid term election, it's a base
Speaker 2: turnout election. That means, if you get rid of the
Speaker 2: guy that gives the base enthusiasm they actually want to
Speaker 2: get behind, you're gonna be in albatross to the rest
Speaker 2: of the down ballot elections. And that's that's absolutely true.
Speaker 2: So he's got it completely inverted. Meanwhile, this weekend, President
Speaker 2: Trump's skipping Don Junior's wedding, where everybody's going back to DC.
Speaker 2: We're all speculating that there's going to be a more
Speaker 2: kinetic warfare in Iran, that the war was going to
Speaker 2: restart in a really aggressive way, more fighting. It was
Speaker 2: terrified of it. Actually, we were debating We're going to
Speaker 2: come in on a Memorial Day weekend because a new
Speaker 2: strike had been set up. And no, ultimately that's not
Speaker 2: what happened. We got news instead that there was a
Speaker 2: pending potential peace deal being negotiated and that it was serious.
Speaker 2: Now I was able to be a part of a
Speaker 2: on background call with a bunch of different people in
Speaker 2: the media. Wasn't like special or something, but I was
Speaker 2: grateful to be invited to it and it was really telling.
Speaker 2: So let me explain what I learned. I learned that
Speaker 2: this expression no dust, no dollars. Okay, what does that mean?
Speaker 2: It means a step by step process where if iron
Speaker 2: makes good on something, then there will be a carrot
Speaker 2: as opposed to a stick and if they restart. We
Speaker 2: saw this weekend that we did strike some of these
Speaker 2: small boats trying to lay minds in the strait. Now,
Speaker 2: what you need to understand is that we have a
Speaker 2: growing appreciation, understanding, confidence in the leadership structure that has
Speaker 2: emerged after our strikes and taking the head of the
Speaker 2: snake operations that happened in Iran. So we know kind
Speaker 2: of more now than we did before about who we're
Speaker 2: dealing with, who the hardliners are, who the moderates are,
Speaker 2: and what we're trying to do is empower the moderates
Speaker 2: over the hard line. That war has not been won internally,
Speaker 2: but it does appear that the moderates are ascended. So
Speaker 2: that's one thing you need to keep in mind here.
Speaker 2: But something like the straight of Hormon's mind land, that
Speaker 2: could be hardliners that still have power, still have some
Speaker 2: authority over some soldiers, dispatching them and going rogue and
Speaker 2: intentionally trying to blow up a peace deal. We have
Speaker 2: our own hardliners in America that are trying to blow
Speaker 2: up the peace. And that's the key here, Blake. We
Speaker 2: need to empower and celebrate people that are actually trying
Speaker 2: to drive peace. Because listen, if you get the Straight
Speaker 2: open and gas prices go below three, if you can
Speaker 2: get the nuclear dust, then we've accomplished our missions that
Speaker 2: we set up. And again it's a there's no pal
Speaker 2: to cash. They wanted to make that extremely clear. This
Speaker 2: is not Obama two point zero. This is we will
Speaker 2: give you a modicum of sanctions relief if you make
Speaker 2: good on allowing us to destroy the nuclear materials. We
Speaker 2: will give you more if you open the Straight and
Speaker 2: keep it open. And so the more good faith that
Speaker 2: you operate in around, the more relief you will get
Speaker 2: on the sanctions. This would be a slam dunk, not
Speaker 2: only for President Trump, but it would be a slam
Speaker 2: dunk for the country and looking towards the midterms, peace
Speaker 2: will win.
Speaker 3: I think it would. I think we've seen there's been
Speaker 3: a lot of controversy over this. There's been a lot
Speaker 3: of anger over this. I think I go back to
Speaker 3: you know, I go back to what I said when
Speaker 3: this first broke out. I was talking about how Charlie
Speaker 3: felt about these things. And I think the best way
Speaker 3: you can sell this to the public is if this
Speaker 3: is the last war we have to fight in the
Speaker 3: Middle East, if we can say we can come home,
Speaker 3: We're like, we don't have this Iran thing hanging over
Speaker 3: our heads forever. We don't need to have tens of
Speaker 3: thousands of US troops hanging around in the Middle East
Speaker 3: all the time, because this could blow up at any point.
Speaker 3: If President Trump is able to get a deal where
Speaker 3: he can say this looks like a durable, long term piece.
Speaker 3: You know, we can have a few jets there, but
Speaker 3: we don't need this huge outlays. We don't need to
Speaker 3: be spending billions and billions of dollars every time some
Speaker 3: radical decides to go off and start a fuss there.
Speaker 3: I think he can present that as a long term
Speaker 3: win to the American people and then that can even
Speaker 3: hopefully win over the people who feel betrayed by the
Speaker 3: war breaking out in the first place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and that's the thing. I mean, listen, if
Speaker 2: you can get that nuclear material actually off the table,
Speaker 2: you can reopen the straight I mean, those are our
Speaker 2: actual core objectives here. We did not set out necessarily
Speaker 2: to get regime change. I think that was a mistake
Speaker 2: by some of the hardliners on our side thinking that
Speaker 2: that was gonna be automatic. Okay, we knew that it
Speaker 2: wasn't going to be automatic. That regime is deeply entrenched.
Speaker 2: But if you can empower the moderates, if you can
Speaker 2: get the nuclear material, and this was the big breakthrough.
Speaker 2: This is why this big breakthrough is for the first
Speaker 2: time Iranian officials are seriously talking in depth about how
Speaker 2: to get that out of their country. Whether it's China
Speaker 2: that helps, whether it's America, whether it's some third party,
Speaker 2: they're actually understand that they need to give on that
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Speaker 2: we're gonna bring in the great Senator Bernie Murreno. Uh, senator,
Speaker 2: welcome back to the show. It's good to have you.
Speaker 7: No, thank you for having me, and thank you for
Speaker 7: all you're doing well.
Speaker 2: Thank you, sir, so I wanted to have you on
Speaker 2: because I saw you over the week weekend and I
Speaker 2: thought you were hitting just the perfect note on X.
Speaker 2: You said, President Trump just delivered another historic win for
Speaker 2: America and the world after showing unmatched strength against Iran.
Speaker 2: He's now securing a major deal to open up the
Speaker 2: Strait of hermod, stabilize energy markets, and prevent around from
Speaker 2: having a nuclear weapon. Now, since you have put that
Speaker 2: out there on socials, there has been some back and forth.
Speaker 2: Right we see that there was a skirmish in the
Speaker 2: Strait that we actually struck some boats that were apparently
Speaker 2: attempting to lay some more minds. But we can't let
Speaker 2: that derail this overarching, this bigger project of getting peace
Speaker 2: with Iran. Sir lay out the stakes for our audience here,
Speaker 2: how important is this? And I mean I feel like
Speaker 2: we are on the precipice. There was a background call
Speaker 2: with administration officials that I was on and they said,
Speaker 2: we're ninety ninety five percent ironed out here. What do
Speaker 2: you want to see happen next?
Speaker 8: Well, first of all, I think it's important, especially for
Speaker 8: your listeners, and that people really care about the America
Speaker 8: First movement.
Speaker 7: This is America First in action.
Speaker 8: This is about putting the interest of the American people
Speaker 8: above all else. This is not an endless war, This
Speaker 8: is not foreign interventionism. This is about a simple fact.
Speaker 8: Iran can never have a nuclear weapon because they'll use it.
Speaker 8: They will attack us with a nuclear weapon. President Trump
Speaker 8: had the courage to actually go in there and absolutely
Speaker 8: hammer them, destroy their navy, destroy their air force, destroy
Speaker 8: their industrial capacity.
Speaker 7: But of course there's pieces left to do.
Speaker 8: Which is open the straight get that trade flowing back up,
Speaker 8: and collect all of their nuclear dust. Now we'll use
Speaker 8: a tool that allows us to release the frozen assets
Speaker 8: of Iran as they deliver that uranium dust back to us.
Speaker 8: But we're going to do this on our terms. President
Speaker 8: Trump doesn't believe in deals that are in any way
Speaker 8: other than.
Speaker 7: To the benefit of the United State.
Speaker 8: Dates So what we got to do is not buy
Speaker 8: into the talking points to the left, because look, the
Speaker 8: Democrats are cheering, actively cheering for our country to fail,
Speaker 8: for our military to fail, for a rand to succeed.
Speaker 8: They have no idea what the deal is, and yet
Speaker 8: they comment about it. This is going to be a strong,
Speaker 8: great deal for the US.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what your point is really well made there, especially
Speaker 2: with people commenting on the deal when they don't know
Speaker 2: the specifics of it. You know, that was happening even
Speaker 2: before this kind of background call that I was on,
Speaker 2: and you know, people trying to clear it up. I mean,
Speaker 2: nobody has seen the actual deal points. And by the way,
Speaker 2: nothing there's no final deal, so things are still in flux.
Speaker 2: And one of the things that people in the audience
Speaker 2: really need to understand is that getting these final points
Speaker 2: over the finish line is extremely difficult because they're trying
Speaker 2: to hide the location of this you know, the sun
Speaker 2: the new Ayahtola, if you will. So they I mean,
Speaker 2: they're basically using carrier pigeons to get this stuff to him,
Speaker 2: and because they're so worried and rightly so, that he'll
Speaker 2: be taken out. So but this dynamic Senator, there are hardliners,
Speaker 2: even on the right, if you will, the neo con faction,
Speaker 2: that before this has even been made public, they're already screaming,
Speaker 2: They're wailing. They want us to pursue regime change, they
Speaker 2: want us to re engage kinetic warfare. I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: first of all, if we can get the dust, if
Speaker 2: we can reopen the straight of horror mooves this is
Speaker 2: an absolute slam dunk for the American people. You're going
Speaker 2: to see gas prices fall below three dollars a gallon
Speaker 2: heading into the midterm. Sir, That to me is a huge,
Speaker 2: huge piece of this. What do you say to those
Speaker 2: hardline factions that want to see regime change.
Speaker 8: Look, we're going to get our mission accomplished. We're not
Speaker 8: going to go into an endless conflict. Our mission was
Speaker 8: to make certain that they don't have any clear weapon.
Speaker 8: If we accomplish that and we have the free flow
Speaker 8: of oil and the straight over moose, we're done.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 8: The other pieces that's extremely important is we're going to
Speaker 8: turn the Abraham Courts, as say say wee by the way,
Speaker 8: President Trump is going to turn the Abraham Accords into
Speaker 8: a security military cooperation that spans the entirety of the Midist.
Speaker 7: Countries, and by the way, that may include Iran.
Speaker 8: I think I think some of these guys that have
Speaker 8: been knocking the deal, I think they live in a
Speaker 8: decade that's long passed.
Speaker 7: We want peace and prosperity in the Middle East.
Speaker 8: We want to make certain that we pay attention to
Speaker 8: our own neighborhood, our own needs, domestically and not get
Speaker 8: entangled there forever on some sort of social experiment.
Speaker 7: We saw that with an Iraq and Afghanistan. And President
Speaker 7: Trump's not gonna do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think this is You're making an extraordinarily
Speaker 2: important point here, Senator, because a lot of people they
Speaker 2: do this to Trump, they do this to Charlie. They
Speaker 2: want President Trump to be the image in their head
Speaker 2: that he that he is, right. They sort of project
Speaker 2: onto him what they most like about, you know, his
Speaker 2: campaign or whatever. And they missed the fact that he's
Speaker 2: been calling for Iran not to have a nuclear weapon,
Speaker 2: you know, basically since the eighties. And you know, and Charlie,
Speaker 2: they do the same thing with Charlie. I'm gonna play
Speaker 2: this clip because Charlie understood the President, what makes him tick,
Speaker 2: his instincts politically better than most, if not all. And
Speaker 2: this was just before midnight Hammer, I believe, or it
Speaker 2: could have been right after, but this was Charlie on
Speaker 2: with Jesse Waters right in that moment and explaining President
Speaker 2: Trump's actual military philosophy. UT five.
Speaker 1: President Trump understands his base extraordinarily well. He knows that
Speaker 1: his base does not want another Iraq, he does not
Speaker 1: want Libya does not want a civil war or bedlam
Speaker 1: where the United States is left carrying the bag. But
Speaker 1: also President Trump has been morally clear for a decade
Speaker 1: Aaran should not have a nuclear weapon, and President Trump
Speaker 1: has the talent, the expertise to be able to thread
Speaker 1: that needle. President Trump can get that deal done while
Speaker 1: fulfilling the mandate that the voters gave him.
Speaker 2: So that is like the Charlie doctrine on the Trump doctrine.
Speaker 2: He understands his base. He doesn't want to forever war.
Speaker 2: He doesn't want a quagmire. So we can declare victory
Speaker 2: if we get that dust and the strait is open,
Speaker 2: even without regime change, even without you know, sort of
Speaker 2: like you know, settling the Iran issue forever, we still
Speaker 2: get what we want. We achieve our objectives in a
Speaker 2: very powerful, positive way, and we don't have to put
Speaker 2: pot s boots on the ground. We get to go
Speaker 2: focus domestically. Am I missing something here, sir?
Speaker 7: You're exactly right.
Speaker 8: And by the way, he's also President Trump able to
Speaker 8: envision the world in which I ran as part of
Speaker 8: a security and trade agreement in the middle of the
Speaker 8: least some of these guys, again, they can't fathom.
Speaker 7: That because they have a very black and white view
Speaker 7: of the world. Look, our objective is simple.
Speaker 8: Ran will never have a nuclear weapon, the strait is open,
Speaker 8: and we get gas prices down where they were historic lows.
Speaker 8: By the way, and then, by the way, also very important,
Speaker 8: if Kamala Harris had been elected president, we'd be talking
Speaker 8: about ten dollars gallic. They were cheering for gas prices
Speaker 8: that go up. We've got to keep that in mind.
Speaker 8: But President Trump's accomplishing historic things. He's not going to
Speaker 8: be pushed into a bad deal unlike Obama. This is
Speaker 8: a very very pro America process here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, when this started, I think a good perspective to have.
Speaker 3: We've talked Charlie didn't like the idea of regime change
Speaker 3: with Iran. He expressed a lot of worry about this.
Speaker 3: But we also thought the best outcome that we could
Speaker 3: have out of this is if President Trump is able
Speaker 3: to come home from negotiations and say this was not
Speaker 3: another Middle East war. This was the last Middle East
Speaker 3: war that America has Well, and.
Speaker 2: Listen, if you could deal with the nuclear problem, then
Speaker 2: that very well could be right, because that's the overarching threat.
Speaker 2: The missiles the munition base that they had been stockpiling.
Speaker 2: I think the point is this would be historic. And
Speaker 2: the hardliners that are pushing this to be some sort
Speaker 2: of ground invasion or you know, gonna we're gonna restart
Speaker 2: kinetic activities instead of pursuing peace, I think is totally insane.
Speaker 2: The President's instinct here are absolutely spot on. He will
Speaker 2: be celebrated wildly by this show if he can achieve peace,
Speaker 2: and I know the same is true for you, Senator
Speaker 2: uh one. We just have about ninety seconds left here,
Speaker 2: Senator uh.
Speaker 7: Adult life, Yeah, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 8: I was gonna say, my entire adult life, we've been
Speaker 8: dealing with a threat from Iran in the Middle East.
Speaker 8: Imagine I look, I have a four year old grand
Speaker 8: baby and two two year old grand babies.
Speaker 7: Imagine they live in America. That there is no.
Speaker 8: More threat for the Middle East and we have peace
Speaker 8: and prosperity there. That's an incredible historic accomplishment from President Trump.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well absolutely, And Senator just one word here. The
Speaker 2: last few moments we've got with you, We've got you
Speaker 2: know you, Senate, what is it eleven days of work
Speaker 2: you guys accomplished in May? Is what you're gonna is
Speaker 2: what it's gonna tally up to. The heck is going on?
Speaker 2: Can we get to save America app Act pass?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 2: Is there any hope? What's the next step? Sir?
Speaker 8: Well, look, we don't have the votes to do it.
Speaker 8: We have we need some personnel change in the Senate.
Speaker 8: We need to get more America First patriots in the Senate.
Speaker 8: That's what I'm hyper focused on. But right now we
Speaker 8: just don't have the votes to get it done.
Speaker 2: Well, all eyes are on Texas today with Senator hopefully
Speaker 2: the future Senator Ken Paxton, current Attorney General. So this
Speaker 2: last date to vote in the runoff there, so we're
Speaker 2: behind them. So thank you for being an America First fighter.
Speaker 2: Thank you for pushing and fighting for peace. Piece is
Speaker 2: the future. Pieces is what this movement is really all about.
Speaker 2: So thank you, sir for being one of the leaders
Speaker 2: in that. God bless you. Thank you great conversation with
Speaker 2: Senator Bernie Moreno there. Pray for peace and pray for Paxton.
Speaker 2: Those are your two items on the docket today and
Speaker 2: the I wanted just one note of warning caution to
Speaker 2: the audience. You're going to be seeing a lot of
Speaker 2: propaganda flying back and forth about the details of the
Speaker 2: piece arrangement, potential piece deals, the way it's structured. Please
Speaker 2: take everything with a huge grain of salt, all right,
Speaker 2: Take everything with a huge grain of salt. So you know,
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the headlines. You know, the Iran is
Speaker 2: saying they need twelve billion dollars you know, basically that's
Speaker 2: you know, been tied up via sanctions. They want that
Speaker 2: upon signing the deal, and then sixty days later they
Speaker 2: want the second half release. Here's what you need to know.
Speaker 2: There will be no money, no sanctions relief for Iran
Speaker 2: without actionable items that they have met, right, so that
Speaker 2: they have obligations based on the framework of this deal,
Speaker 2: they must meet them before any of this sanctions relief
Speaker 2: is going to happen. That much, I know, I was
Speaker 2: on a background call. Like I said, that much was
Speaker 2: extraordinarily clear. They have to work and do something first
Speaker 2: for any relief. Then they do something else in good faith,
Speaker 2: there will be more potential relieve. All right. You also
Speaker 2: have to be I just want to say this, Listen,
Speaker 2: we don't necessarily get everything that we want in this
Speaker 2: deal all the time. That's not the way deals work. Okay,
Speaker 2: you got to give something to get something. Often otherwise
Speaker 2: we're just gonna be stuck in a situation where we're bombing,
Speaker 2: you know, in perpetuity.
Speaker 3: That's how we've gotten into other conflicts that we apport.
Speaker 3: So if you want an example, how did the Ukraine
Speaker 3: War explode with Russia. Well, one of the things was
Speaker 3: Russia was actually coming out and saying, we would like
Speaker 3: to negotiate on some of these points, expansion of NATO,
Speaker 3: where you guys are putting missiles. We are like, here,
Speaker 3: we have a proposed framework deal that we could use
Speaker 3: as a starting point for negotiations. And our attitude was
Speaker 3: never you know, it wasn't we basically refuse to talk.
Speaker 3: We just said here's what you're going to do, and
Speaker 3: you're going to accept it or are tough. And then
Speaker 3: Russia decided to invade Ukraine and we were suddenly just
Speaker 3: now we're on the hook. We're spending hundreds of billions
Speaker 3: of dollars on a war that could have been avoided.
Speaker 3: And I think there's lessons in that if we had
Speaker 3: been willing to, if we'd treated Russia seriously, even if
Speaker 3: we said we don't like a lot of what you
Speaker 3: do a lot of what you do is bad, but
Speaker 3: we don't want a giant war either. That all could
Speaker 3: have been avoided. And I think similarly with Iran, we
Speaker 3: can concede. This is a backwards regime, it's a stupid regime.
Speaker 3: It's a regime that seems to despise its own people.
Speaker 3: But we also it's not a country that we want
Speaker 3: to have one hundred thousand US troops occupying. It's not
Speaker 3: a country that we want to spend another twenty five
Speaker 3: years trying to remake into a Western style democracy. So
Speaker 3: if we're going to be stuck living with them, how
Speaker 3: can we live with them?
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I totally agree. Ultimately, it gets to a
Speaker 2: point where we've done what we can do. That's essentially
Speaker 2: the easy part. None of it's easy, per se. But yeah,
Speaker 2: you can drop bombs and strike their manufacturing facilities, you
Speaker 2: can take out their military, you can put their navy
Speaker 2: at the bottom of the sea. But what can they do.
Speaker 2: They can cling onto power their people are not armed.
Speaker 2: They can intimidate, assault, murder their own people to the
Speaker 2: point where they're not willing to come out in the
Speaker 2: streets and overthrow them. And they can cause a lot
Speaker 2: of problems in the Strait. They can charge tolls, they
Speaker 2: can lay minds, they could essentially keep the world's energy
Speaker 2: supply hostage. Okay, so those are the dividing lines. If
Speaker 2: you are going to overthrow the regime. To Blake's point,
Speaker 2: you're committing to tens of thousands of US troops being involved.
Speaker 2: You're committing to a ground force that will take out
Speaker 2: the regime. You're committing to funding and arming. Here's the
Speaker 2: real truth of militants.
Speaker 3: You don't know what you're committing to because it's another
Speaker 3: open ended conflict. And if you had gone to people
Speaker 3: in two thousand and two and said, this is what
Speaker 3: your involvement in Afghanistan is going to entail when you
Speaker 3: send troops there. If you had gone to Bush in
Speaker 3: two thousand and three and said this is what your
Speaker 3: commitment going into entail, would you take it? I think
Speaker 3: they would say no, because it's very easy to tell
Speaker 3: people before you go in, this will be easy, it'll
Speaker 3: be in and out in a few months. And once
Speaker 3: you're in, as we've already seen, it's difficult to back out.
Speaker 3: And the same people who told you it'll be easy
Speaker 3: will tell you the next step will be really easy. Well,
Speaker 3: they weren't right the first time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, and you're absolutely spot on to
Speaker 2: look at the Russia deal. Listen, both sides get a
Speaker 2: say in a war. All right. There was a possibility
Speaker 2: that when we started striking around that the regime was
Speaker 2: going to be toppled instantly. That has proven to be untrue.
Speaker 2: They are more entrenched than we maybe hoped, all right,
Speaker 2: they were more able to cling to power. Then, for example,
Speaker 2: Israel told the president and his advisors, all right, Israel
Speaker 2: painted a very rosy picture about what it would take
Speaker 2: to topple this regime. Well, that hasn't happened. Okay. So
Speaker 2: when you see that that has not happened, and you
Speaker 2: go back and you say, hey, let's redo our calculus. Here,
Speaker 2: what's possible, it's not. What are we willing to do?
Speaker 2: What are we not willing to do? Then the math changes.
Speaker 2: The math right now is that they are going to
Speaker 2: cling to power one way or than the other. For
Speaker 2: right now. Now, we might get to the end of this,
Speaker 2: We might sign this deal and you get a little
Speaker 2: modicum of peace for a few weeks, a few months,
Speaker 2: and the people rise up and they take back their government.
Speaker 2: That could happen. Is it America's obligation beyond the nuclear
Speaker 2: weapon which President Trump has made it his prerogative to take,
Speaker 2: make sure that they do not have a nuclear weapon,
Speaker 2: they do not have nuclear material, They are not enriching.
Speaker 2: If you can take that off the table and that
Speaker 2: straight can be open, this is a good deal. We
Speaker 2: should take it, which declare victory. We should say our
Speaker 2: our strategic objectives have been achieved, and we are going
Speaker 2: home to focus domestically because our nation needs that type
Speaker 2: of investment. Our people need that type of creativity and
Speaker 2: focus here domestically. If we have any hope in the
Speaker 2: midterms of fighting off a historical trend where the incumbent
Speaker 2: power loses during the midterms, we need to be focused here.
Speaker 2: We need three dollars gas, We need two fifty guests,
Speaker 2: all right. Affordability must be addressed, home ownership must be addressed.
Speaker 2: Getting the next generation to believe in America must be addressed.
Speaker 2: These are the issues family formation, making it affordable for families,
Speaker 2: unleashing the prosperity of this country for the next generation.
Speaker 2: That's how you win long term. That's how you deliver
Speaker 2: long term gains. Politically, you can't be distracted in quagmires
Speaker 2: in the Middle East. So cut your losses, accept your victories,
Speaker 2: declare victory, and get what you can and get out
Speaker 2: and let the Iranium people deal with the regime. That
Speaker 2: should be the focus. Agree, I think so, I think
Speaker 2: we can.
Speaker 3: We've seen we're living out a lot of the warnings
Speaker 3: of people who said that we just need to get
Speaker 3: out of the Middle East because it's a very thankless area.
Speaker 3: It's a place where there's a lot of there's a
Speaker 3: lot of people invested in just endless conflict.
Speaker 7: There.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of people who will always see this
Speaker 3: big victory just over that next hill, just over the
Speaker 3: next bombing run, and a lot of them are very
Speaker 3: persuasive people, but you just have to say no, this
Speaker 3: has not been working out for the US, and America's
Speaker 3: gotten weaker every time we've done this. Twenty years ago,
Speaker 3: we could go to war with Iraq and it just
Speaker 3: felt we're so strong, we can dominate everyone. We have
Speaker 3: unlimited resources. We did that with Afghanistan as well, and
Speaker 3: every time we've done this, we've gotten a little weaker.
Speaker 3: And now we just have to confront the fact America
Speaker 3: is not this all conquering superclass.
Speaker 2: It's tough to do that with you know powers throughout
Speaker 2: the ages have found invading a you know, huge country
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Speaker 2: And what better way as we come off Memorial Day
Speaker 2: weekend honoring our fallen heroes that have made this country
Speaker 2: great and possible, and as we move into the two
Speaker 2: hundred and fiftieth celebration in through the summer and July fourth,
Speaker 2: then do celebrate July fourth with Steve Days, who's a
Speaker 2: great American and he's got a new book out why
Speaker 2: Independence Day America is great because God is good. Steve,
Speaker 2: welcome back to the show, my friend.
Speaker 9: Good to see you, guys.
Speaker 2: How are you Congratulations on the book. This is the
Speaker 2: third in a trilogy of kids' books, which you know,
Speaker 2: it's like, listen, we have these really prestigious you know,
Speaker 2: academics on that have these really serious books. This to
Speaker 2: me is even more important because we got to teach
Speaker 2: the next generation about why they should love America, why
Speaker 2: they should have faith in America. It's more important than
Speaker 2: ever Steve, Why did you write this book? And what's
Speaker 2: it about?
Speaker 10: So my publisher came to me a few years ago
Speaker 10: and said, hey, you know after Russia's passing, you know,
Speaker 10: he had these Rush Revere books that were very successful.
Speaker 10: Would you be willing to step into that space? And
Speaker 10: I'm like, listen, man, I can't shake the dust off
Speaker 10: of Russia's sandals.
Speaker 9: But then I got to thinking.
Speaker 10: About it over the next day or two and I thought, well,
Speaker 10: what if we did something even more unique? What if
Speaker 10: we looked at America's Christian heritage for children? And I
Speaker 10: propose that as a trilogy. The publisher loved it. We
Speaker 10: launched the first one, Why Thanksgiving in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 10: It was a national bestseller. We had Why Easter in
Speaker 10: twenty twenty four, and then the finale was always going
Speaker 10: to be for America's two hundred and fiftieth Why Independence Day,
Speaker 10: And then it's just a matter of what the subtitle
Speaker 10: was going to be, and so we decided to go
Speaker 10: with America is Great because God is good, and you
Speaker 10: just see his providence, his hand of providence all throughout
Speaker 10: our history. You see our founders refer to it. It's
Speaker 10: mentioned several times moments and events that just could not
Speaker 10: have happened without the hand of God intervening in human history.
Speaker 10: And we wanted to tell this story for our kids.
Speaker 10: I mean, really, the American story, the two hundred and
Speaker 10: fiftieth Birthday of America. Guys, it's an event three thousand
Speaker 10: years in the making. Charlie used to point out Deuteronomy
Speaker 10: was quoted more than any other book by our founding fathers,
Speaker 10: and so we go into all of that, from Moses
Speaker 10: at Mount Sinai, through Christ, through the Reformation, and all
Speaker 10: of this history that eventually led to this place, this
Speaker 10: special place now we're fighting to preserve called America.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. And I'm looking at the book because
Speaker 2: you sent a little advance copy to me, so the PDFs.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at it right now, Steve, and the illustrations
Speaker 2: are great. I have little kids, so I can't wait
Speaker 2: to read them this and it really helps you make
Speaker 2: the through line very directly and very obviously for the
Speaker 2: mind of a child, explaining God's providential hand, And how
Speaker 2: like you said, this started three thousand years ago, This
Speaker 2: started with God setting apart a people in a nation.
Speaker 2: How the you know, the pilgrims came to spread the gospel.
Speaker 2: Really you have a refuge here to freely rest their
Speaker 2: Christian faith. And how that built the building blocks, the
Speaker 2: foundation of the providential hand of God being so visible
Speaker 2: in our country. And I think it's beautiful. I can't
Speaker 2: wait to read it to my own kids, and I
Speaker 2: hope people at home understand the power of that. Why
Speaker 2: that's so important, Because maybe Steve, this can be a
Speaker 2: question for you explaining all that we're up against. You've
Speaker 2: got foreign influence campaigns, You've got a hold half of
Speaker 2: the part of the country that seems to hate this place.
Speaker 2: It seems to hate what it's about, what it was
Speaker 2: founded upon, and it hates the men who founded it
Speaker 2: and the ideas that founded it. Why now, why is
Speaker 2: this more important than ever?
Speaker 9: Because of everything you just said.
Speaker 10: And we are at a generational nice edge right now,
Speaker 10: and we are either going to pass these things on
Speaker 10: to the next generation or they're going to be lost
Speaker 10: in this next generation.
Speaker 9: And if you just look at our history, there.
Speaker 10: Are events that are just mathematically incalculable, the the odds
Speaker 10: that the the the Puritans would would go here across
Speaker 10: the channel and land in a place where it just
Speaker 10: so happened that they run into a guy named Squanto
Speaker 10: who's an Indian who was taught the Bible by English
Speaker 10: speaking Uh, you know, settlers over in over in, over
Speaker 10: in in in the the old Land, the old country,
Speaker 10: and he just happens to be there within close proximity
Speaker 10: to Massachusetts Bay Colony. Pardon me, to help them understand
Speaker 10: this new world they were in, and the tribes and
Speaker 10: and and the and and and all the customs they
Speaker 10: were landing into. The odds of that are incalculable.
Speaker 7: Guys.
Speaker 10: You see this all throughout our history, and it's why
Speaker 10: one of the terms our founders used the most was
Speaker 10: this term providence, which literally just means supernatural acts of
Speaker 10: God that are otherwise inexplicable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and I'm just pulling some images here for
Speaker 2: the team so they can put them up here. I
Speaker 2: just love the way this thing is animated and in
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, and you give little Bible lessons here,
Speaker 2: which I love. You're talking about the founding of the country,
Speaker 2: something we actually talked about yesterday on our Memorial Day
Speaker 2: special A Lot with the Boys of seventy six and
Speaker 2: seventy seven and O'Donnell historian, great conversation we had with him,
Speaker 2: so please check that out. But you know you're saying,
Speaker 2: since we have God's spirit in us now to teach
Speaker 2: us right from wrong, we don't need government rules as
Speaker 2: much as we used to. Sure, we still need things
Speaker 2: like the police to protect us, because there are still
Speaker 2: bad people doing bad things, but we don't need a
Speaker 2: king to act like he's got he's a God when
Speaker 2: we already know the one true God. I'm just I'm
Speaker 2: flipping through the pages here, and these are the type
Speaker 2: of lessons like you're explaining that we the people are sovereign.
Speaker 2: You're explaining why how God set up those structures of government,
Speaker 2: how they're sort of well they not sort of, they
Speaker 2: are God breathed, they are illuminated in the pages of scripture.
Speaker 2: And America is special because our form of government reflects
Speaker 2: Gods designed for his people.
Speaker 10: It's beautiful, corrective, correct, Well, thank you very much, appreciate that.
Speaker 10: And you know, when I was watching I've you guys
Speaker 10: seen the new movie A Great Awakening about George Whitfield.
Speaker 10: If you has seen that yet, it's very well done.
Speaker 10: And one of the things that Ben Franklin says to
Speaker 10: the British ambassador, and it's funny. I thought that's a
Speaker 10: line right out of the children's book that I have
Speaker 10: coming out. When I saw this about a month and
Speaker 10: a half ago, is he says to the British ambassador
Speaker 10: in a scene, Well, they think now that they have
Speaker 10: God in their lives and we've had awakenings spiritually, that
Speaker 10: they don't need a dreaded sovereign anymore.
Speaker 9: They don't need a king.
Speaker 10: They think that Jesus is King, Christ is King and
Speaker 10: they're fine just you know, living individually with Him in charge.
Speaker 10: And I set up in my seat, guys when I
Speaker 10: saw that in the theater, because again, that's right out
Speaker 10: of the page of my book that you just shared there, Andrew,
Speaker 10: and I think this is key to the understanding of
Speaker 10: how we came about as a people.
Speaker 9: This line's been attributed to many folks.
Speaker 10: I think it originated with William pay that if men
Speaker 10: were angels, they wouldn't need government. So we do need government.
Speaker 10: We're not angels, right, we are sinners, but we need
Speaker 10: government that is limited. Why do we need a government
Speaker 10: that is limited? Because the people working in the government
Speaker 10: are sinners too.
Speaker 7: That's why.
Speaker 9: That's why God is not a respector of persons.
Speaker 10: We're the people working in that Both the governed and
Speaker 10: the government are full of sinners.
Speaker 9: So we need just.
Speaker 10: Enough to restrain the sinful acts of the people and
Speaker 10: to provide justice when they do sin. This is what
Speaker 10: Paul means in Romans thirteen, to be an avenging angel
Speaker 10: against the evil do or. That's the purpose of government,
Speaker 10: but not so much now that you use your sinfulness
Speaker 10: to go back to the original sin and say I
Speaker 10: am God, and government then becomes a god. It's the
Speaker 10: old Chesterton line. When government removes the god, the government
Speaker 10: becomes the God.
Speaker 2: Yeah. We see that completely on the progressive left, and
Speaker 2: we see it's sometimes little elements of it on the right. Steve,
Speaker 2: this is why getting back to foundational principles is so
Speaker 2: important right now. I mean, there's a point to being
Speaker 2: pragmatic in politics. I totally agree we can be over ideological.
Speaker 2: But if you don't have these basics and these understanding,
Speaker 2: and you don't instill them in your children at a
Speaker 2: very young age, this country is going to be in
Speaker 2: a world of hurt. We will not pass this great
Speaker 2: blessing that is America on to the next generation. You know,
Speaker 2: let's talk about so your book, I mean really under
Speaker 2: girding that your entire premise for writing it is we
Speaker 2: lost a great man in rush Limbah too soon died
Speaker 2: of cancer and it was heartbreaking. I know, it broke
Speaker 2: Charlie's heart. And then we lost Charlie another great man,
Speaker 2: and we lost them too soon, such a powerful voice
Speaker 2: for young people. And there is this sense you know,
Speaker 2: I you know a lot of people given to dooming
Speaker 2: and black pilling because we lost these two great men
Speaker 2: and we needed them. It feels like we needed them.
Speaker 2: But you're one of those guys that is stepping into
Speaker 2: that and doing the piece that you can. And that's
Speaker 2: all we're trying to do here by keeping the Charlie
Speaker 2: Kirk Show alive, is doing our peace and doing what
Speaker 2: we can through turning point and maybe reflect on that,
Speaker 2: just that dynamic, because there is a lot of people
Speaker 2: that see what's happened that you know, see what happened
Speaker 2: in the movement, the fracturing the frame at the eight edges,
Speaker 2: this foreign influence whatever it is, why are you stepping
Speaker 2: into the void?
Speaker 3: Steve?
Speaker 10: I think that number one. If your worldview begins with
Speaker 10: the assertion that God supernaturally intervened his hand into human
Speaker 10: history to raise his dead son to life, and that
Speaker 10: the last enemy death has been conquered, then I don't
Speaker 10: think you're permitted a despair driven worldview. Despair is a
Speaker 10: dialect of hell. I don't think you're permitted nihilism. Listen,
Speaker 10: we love Gallows humor. On our show, we kid about
Speaker 10: being vant to black, but it's clearly to our audience
Speaker 10: a joke, Okay. I mean, ultimately, if you believe resurrection
Speaker 10: comes after Good Friday, then there's always hope. You think
Speaker 10: the world's dark, now, how about Hey, we killed God. Guys,
Speaker 10: it's pretty dark world. It's as dark as it gets.
Speaker 10: It's been a lot darker than this. I mean the
Speaker 10: story of the people that founded the country, the Puritans,
Speaker 10: who were they fleeing. They were not fleeting Islamic infiltration
Speaker 10: like we're seeing in the West.
Speaker 9: They weren't fleeing.
Speaker 10: You know, Pagan communists didn't even exist yet during the
Speaker 10: post Reformation era, where Catholic monarchs would persecute Protestants and
Speaker 10: Protestant monarchs would persecute Catholics. They weren't even fleeing a
Speaker 10: Catholic monarch. They were fleeing a Protestant king who wanted
Speaker 10: to tell them what exactly they could and could not preach,
Speaker 10: and what they could and could not say. John Bunyan wrote,
Speaker 10: you know Pilgrim's progress. He was in prison for over
Speaker 10: a decade by a Protestant king because he didn't want to.
Speaker 9: Have his sermons checklisted and approved.
Speaker 2: By the crown.
Speaker 9: It can get a lot.
Speaker 10: Darker than things currently are. And so to me, there's
Speaker 10: always hope, and I'm not you know, it's funny. I
Speaker 10: think I'm getting more offers and opportunities to do things
Speaker 10: because of the giant void that Charlie's murder left and
Speaker 10: others that I'm speaking to too, and we're all saying
Speaker 10: the same things to each other, like there's like fifteen
Speaker 10: of us that are getting asked to fill some of
Speaker 10: this space here.
Speaker 9: How does this one guy do all of this?
Speaker 10: We all still have our old jobs, We've got to
Speaker 10: do all the other stuff we were doing. I'd this
Speaker 10: guy go do all this stuff that the fifteen of
Speaker 10: us are now trying to all figure out amongst ourselves.
Speaker 10: But one of those things I just got invited to do.
Speaker 10: One of those things was was to do it a
Speaker 10: heritage tour with Speaker Mike Johnson and last week in DC,
Speaker 10: And I have to tell you it's rare to say
Speaker 10: anything out of DC is inspiring. But going there and
Speaker 10: seeing a lot of this history, to be in that
Speaker 10: prayer room that is halfway between the offices of the
Speaker 10: Majority Leader and the Speaker, to see these marble statues,
Speaker 10: to see these paintings that I shared a lot of
Speaker 10: them with our audience today. It refilled my tank. It
Speaker 10: reminded me of what it is that we're really fighting
Speaker 10: for here, that this really is the last best hope
Speaker 10: this nation is, as far as we know anyway, the
Speaker 10: last best hope for this planet before Christ returns. And
Speaker 10: so I'm as fired up as i've as I've been
Speaker 10: in a long time just by getting that personal reminder
Speaker 10: of the stakes here and why it is, why it
Speaker 10: is so volatile. It's because of what this country stands
Speaker 10: for and what happens to the rest of this planet
Speaker 10: if this country goes away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's beautifully said. And you know, and JD. Van
Speaker 2: said the same thing in the aftermath of when we
Speaker 2: lost Charlie, is like, we all just have to do
Speaker 2: the little piece that we can, because Charlie was a
Speaker 2: giant and he did so much and he was tireless.
Speaker 2: He just had this engine where he just wouldn't stop going.
Speaker 2: He was always trying to squeeze out thirty more minutes
Speaker 2: of his day, squeeze out five percent more productivity, again
Speaker 2: and again and again over years. And that's how you
Speaker 2: get a Charlie Curkr.
Speaker 3: It was so it's so incredible to remark upon just
Speaker 3: because he even could fit in. He did even fit
Speaker 3: in the leisure so he had his he had his
Speaker 3: sabbath that he would do on Saturdays. He still managed
Speaker 3: to watch the Cubs, watch the Ducks. And yet he's
Speaker 3: still off maximizing his work time so effectively, always always
Speaker 3: organizing something, always planning the next thing, always, He's just
Speaker 3: such a model of high effectiveness across one's life. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I think I'm glad we'll always have that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and he I think you're doing a great
Speaker 2: job too, Steve, of just being courageous as well. And
Speaker 2: I think this time really calls for a lot of
Speaker 2: courage to call it out. There's a lot of voices,
Speaker 2: and we'll just keep it vague for now because it's
Speaker 2: Tuesday after Memorial. Dan. I want to feel the unifying
Speaker 2: spirit of it, but you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: question of whether or not they're actually being effective. And
Speaker 2: I think they're being somewhat effective of discouraging us, of
Speaker 2: getting us divided, but I don't think they're nearly as
Speaker 2: effective as people are concerned that they are. And I
Speaker 2: know that you agree with this on some level. Maybe
Speaker 2: spend the last minute of our talk remarking on that.
Speaker 10: One of the things I think we're going to find
Speaker 10: in this era is that you can build an audience
Speaker 10: that is a mile wide but an inch deep, and
Speaker 10: that that audience and influence are not necessarily the same thing,
Speaker 10: meaning that where are the people you are reaching?
Speaker 7: Is it?
Speaker 3: Where?
Speaker 9: Where can you create a critical mass?
Speaker 10: And ultimately, you know, metrics can be faked, numbers can
Speaker 10: be faked. Ultimately you are the merchandise you can move
Speaker 10: and the people you can mobilize, because that's those are constants.
Speaker 10: Everything else is a variable, and those are constants. And
Speaker 10: to me, I think that a great tell if you're
Speaker 10: listening to the right content is does it bring you
Speaker 10: closer to God's word and make you want to be
Speaker 10: more christ Like? And if the answer to that question
Speaker 10: is yes, then then get then hug that content even closer.
Speaker 10: And if the answer to that question is no, then
Speaker 10: run away from it as fast as you can.
Speaker 2: That's a great way to end it. Steve Days, congratulations
Speaker 2: on your book. Thank you for your contribution and your courage.
Speaker 2: Let's stay the course. Pray for peace, Pray for Paxxton
Speaker 2: in Texas. We've got things to do. Steve Days, be well,
Speaker 2: my friend. I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 9: God bless.
Speaker 2: Charlie used to talk a lot about Angel Studios and
Speaker 2: what they were building, and as you know, I've been
Speaker 2: a longtime fan of it for the same reason. So
Speaker 2: I want to share some of my favorite films and
Speaker 2: shows on Angel and I put them all into one
Speaker 2: easy to use watch list. This is content that's actually
Speaker 2: worth your time, not just noise or recycled talking points,
Speaker 2: but stories that go a level deeper and ask better questions.
Speaker 2: That's what stands out about Angel to me. They're willing
Speaker 2: to put out films and documentaries that don't just follow
Speaker 2: the usual script, especially when it comes to politics, culture,
Speaker 2: and the bigger conversations you and I should be having.
Speaker 2: So on my watch list you'll find picks that lean
Speaker 2: into those topics, but there are also solid options for
Speaker 2: family or just something meaningful to watch at the end
Speaker 2: of a stressful day. If you want to check it out,
Speaker 2: go to angel dot com slash Charlie and take a
Speaker 2: look at the watch list I put together.
Speaker 3: Our next guest we're having on Noah Rothman. He's a
Speaker 3: senior writer at National Review, and he's the author of
Speaker 3: Blood and Progress, a history of left wing violence in America.
Speaker 3: It's brand new and obviously on a topic you and
Speaker 3: I both care a great deal about. Noah, Are you there,
Speaker 3: I'm here, Welcome to the show. So I should just
Speaker 3: say the first seven pages of this are a retelling
Speaker 3: of an experience. We all are going to remember the
Speaker 3: rest of our lives what happened with Charlie, and in particular,
Speaker 3: something about it that should never be memory hold, and
Speaker 3: people are doing their best to do it, which is
Speaker 3: the wave of I'll just say, insane lies afterwards, trying
Speaker 3: to spin what happened as an act of far right
Speaker 3: wing violence against Charlie from Lawrence Tribe, a former professor
Speaker 3: at Harvard, tried to argue that it was right wing violence.
Speaker 3: Heather Cox Richardson, one of the most popular substackers, She
Speaker 3: just said, oh, this is this is Greiper type violence
Speaker 3: that did this when we saw very quickly that all
Speaker 3: of the evidence rests with this being left wing transmotivated violence.
Speaker 3: But as your book gets into, Noah, this is part
Speaker 3: of a very long term pattern on the left that
Speaker 3: there's sort of been a for lack of a better word,
Speaker 3: a conspiracy to suppress that this is going on. Can
Speaker 3: you elaborate on that thesis.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think a conspiracy is a great word for it.
Speaker 11: And it's not as though there's a coordinated effort here.
Speaker 11: It's an unspoken set of interests that end up making
Speaker 11: mainstream media professionals and otherwise responsible communicators just subordinate everything
Speaker 11: they know about copycat violence, about responsible reporting to an ideological,
Speaker 11: motivated desire to convince the rest of the American people
Speaker 11: that the right, the American right, is uniquely violent and
Speaker 11: always responsible for big episodes of political violence this country.
Speaker 11: We hear about it all the time. We heard about
Speaker 11: it after Charlie Kirk We heard about it after the
Speaker 11: assassination of Brian Thompson, United Healthcare CEO. We hear about
Speaker 11: it whenever there's an attack on an ice facility three
Speaker 11: times last year, including one that involves sophisticated ambush tactics.
Speaker 11: We hear about it after the president is almost assassinated,
Speaker 11: not once, not twice, but thrice. Eventually, you have to
Speaker 11: wonder if this line has any substance, any merit to it.
Speaker 11: And that's what I investigate in this book. Not only that,
Speaker 11: but Blood in Progress, A Century of left Wing Violence
Speaker 11: in America exposes the degree to which very recent scholarship
Speaker 11: has only begun to explore the recent the waves of
Speaker 11: left wing political violence in this country in the nineteen twenties,
Speaker 11: nineteen tens, nineteen seventies, nineteen eighties, and today, and you
Speaker 11: begin to see a lot of similarities across these violent movements,
Speaker 11: where individuals who engage in perhaps deluted thinking, but deluted
Speaker 11: thinking that is encouraged by influential people in the orbit
Speaker 11: of very responsible institutional figures in this country that encourage
Speaker 11: this sort of thing and refuse to look it squarely
Speaker 11: in the face, telling themselves that, oh, we don't have
Speaker 11: a violence problem. It's largely a myth the right is
Speaker 11: the real problem in this country.
Speaker 2: And we have a clip that I just have to play.
Speaker 2: This is from CNN saying exactly that it's not twenty five.
Speaker 12: While America's roots are soaked in bloodshed. Violence in the
Speaker 12: country today is mostly from right wing extremism, from Oklahoma
Speaker 12: City to Charlottesville to January sixth. There is simply no
Speaker 12: equivalent on the left.
Speaker 3: No disagree. How would you reply to that.
Speaker 11: Well, it's a refrain, and it's a refrain that serves
Speaker 11: not really to explore the issue, but to excuse ignoring it. Increasingly,
Speaker 11: I feel like that's the only logic associated with issuing
Speaker 11: that that reflexive reaction whenever there's an episode of left
Speaker 11: wing violence in this country, obviously conclusively demonstrated by investigators
Speaker 11: and a law enforcement and it's a supported by some
Speaker 11: dubious statistical statistical games that I think are being played
Speaker 11: with some of these databases that are used to justify
Speaker 11: this claim. The adled Anti Defamation League has won, University
Speaker 11: of Cincinnati has another, and they're cited repeatedly, and if
Speaker 11: you explore them, the statistical breakdowns of right wing violence
Speaker 11: include prison violence, gang violence, intra family violence, sometimes somebody
Speaker 11: who spray paints the side of a church, right wing violence,
Speaker 11: a homeless man who starts hurling racial slurs in a
Speaker 11: hotel yay and attacks them right wing violence. That the
Speaker 11: data begins to look kind of corrupted the more you
Speaker 11: look into it. And then there's this report authored for
Speaker 11: the Department of Homeland Security in twenty twenty one that
Speaker 11: alleges that left wing violence is not well studied because
Speaker 11: there are intimidation campaigns marshaled against people who study it,
Speaker 11: reputational damage, the threat of physical harm for doing that
Speaker 11: kind of work, and as well the fact that people
Speaker 11: who are participants in these often violent left wing movements
Speaker 11: are themselves the authors of studies exploring the phenomenon. So
Speaker 11: it is a fatally subjective enterprise if it's not hopelessly corrupted.
Speaker 11: And by telling these stories, and I don't break it
Speaker 11: down into statistics, I'm not This book does not contend
Speaker 11: that right wing violence does not exist. That would be
Speaker 11: a child's argument, which I encounter all the time. But
Speaker 11: it does complicate the argument that is issued by the
Speaker 11: left and left wing institutions like the Southern Poverty Law Center,
Speaker 11: which maintains left wing violence is a quote unquote myth,
Speaker 11: and confronts them with the fact that the evidence they're
Speaker 11: relying on to make that claim is deficient, if not corrupted.
Speaker 11: I hope that this book leedd in Progress, A Century
Speaker 11: of left Wing Violence in America, gets its hands into
Speaker 11: the right audiences, because, if anything, I just want them
Speaker 11: to confront the fact that they have been banding about
Speaker 11: this notion, not in order to correct the record, but
Speaker 11: to avoid looking at the whole spectrum of political violence
Speaker 11: in this country. And until we get our hands around
Speaker 11: the whole problem, we're never going to solve it.
Speaker 3: You mentioned that there's commonalities that there was lefting violence
Speaker 3: in the tens and twenties, we saw another in the
Speaker 3: sixties and seventies, and you could say we've seen another
Speaker 3: surge of it, certainly since about twenty nineteen, twenty twenty
Speaker 3: or so in the US with BLM. Yeah, mostly peaceful stuff.
Speaker 3: You mentioned there's commonalities between them. Are what are the
Speaker 3: common threads of a surge of left wing violence?
Speaker 11: So if you go back to the nineteen tens, nineteen twenties,
Speaker 11: which is where I start, the anarchist, socialistic wave of
Speaker 11: terror bombings, which only the recent scholarship into it only
Speaker 11: in this century. All of the people who explore this
Speaker 11: phenomenon note that it's forgotten in much the same way
Speaker 11: that the nationalist movements that tried to assassinate Harry Truman
Speaker 11: and shot up Congress and the nineteen fifties were forgotten
Speaker 11: orre the Marxist terror cells of the seventies were forgotten.
Speaker 11: But across the spectrum you see some similarities, like what
Speaker 11: they used to call propaganda of the deed, which is
Speaker 11: today more likely to be referred to as direct action.
Speaker 11: These are spectacular attacks that are designed in the minds
Speaker 11: of their perpetrators to galvanize a broader audience and ignite
Speaker 11: broader violence that will beget the revolution. A lot of
Speaker 11: this is very revolution in nature and Marxian in nature.
Speaker 11: Small cell, leaderless organizations. Again, when that ice terrorst cell attacks,
Speaker 11: including one that involved about ten members using fireworks to
Speaker 11: lure out their targets and overlapping fields of fire. Again
Speaker 11: very sophisticated attack on law enforcement. But you usually see
Speaker 11: attacks on law enforcement when these waves of left wing
Speaker 11: violence begin, because they regard the state as much as
Speaker 11: an enemy and in league with the American right as
Speaker 11: they do the right wing adversaries who they typically organize against.
Speaker 11: And lastly, the intellectual notion that systemic oppression licenses extra
Speaker 11: legal violence, however they define it. It is the sort
Speaker 11: of permission structure they give themselves.
Speaker 2: No that reminds me when you say it like that
Speaker 2: of you know, Hassan Piker who went on with the
Speaker 2: New York Times and talking about social murder, right that,
Speaker 2: you know, Brian Thompson was guilty of all this social murders,
Speaker 2: so he had it coming. And then you saw those
Speaker 2: nitwits outside of the Mamdani press conference or whatever where
Speaker 2: they you know, I forget the two ladies' names, with
Speaker 2: their you know, media credentialed, and they're literally two weeks
Speaker 2: later they're talking about social murder, social murder. All it
Speaker 2: is is this elaborate philosophy that they've baked up to
Speaker 2: justify murder, to justify violence, to justify extra you know
Speaker 2: sort of means proactive means. You see this of the
Speaker 2: Antifa handbook right doctor intifat Rutgers University, where the whole
Speaker 2: thing is a handbook of how do you preemptively attack
Speaker 2: people you politically disagree with. This is fundamental to their worldview.
Speaker 11: Yeah, and it's it's meeting out real violence, real bloodshed
Speaker 11: in response to a highly theoretical metaphorical violence. That again
Speaker 11: that they talk themselves into. Those two ladies, three ladies,
Speaker 11: one of them was less talkative than the others. We're
Speaker 11: very illustrative of this phenomenon, right. It was a ghoulish display.
Speaker 11: They competed with one another to be more offensive, to
Speaker 11: be more inhuman and literally I use that word because
Speaker 11: they were utterly devoid of human empathy and compassion. And
Speaker 11: then what is the point of this whole thing? It
Speaker 11: was Lean Weiss brought was her name, who said, listen,
Speaker 11: we're the most subservient count population, and in the history
Speaker 11: of this planet, we would have had a revolution by
Speaker 11: now if you shared my apprehensions and my anxieties. And
Speaker 11: I'm sure she's right. The thing is most people don't,
Speaker 11: so in the leftist mind, they have to invent these
Speaker 11: causes and then meet out real, vicious violence in order
Speaker 11: to demonstrate to you that the God can bleed, that
Speaker 11: we can destroy this holy immoral system if we just
Speaker 11: all take a sledgehammer to its foundations. It's what they want,
Speaker 11: and this book elaborates on why.
Speaker 2: Well, let's play a clip of Charlie saying exactly that
Speaker 2: its top twenty eight.
Speaker 1: This is all they have is violence. At the core
Speaker 1: of the left. At the core of a liberal is
Speaker 1: someone that would use the sword if they had it.
Speaker 1: They are very violent people at their core. They always
Speaker 1: have it. They can't debate, they can have conversation, so
Speaker 1: they'll resort to these tactics.
Speaker 2: Charlie always underst did the left fundamentally, and you make
Speaker 2: an argument in your book that they're willing to endure
Speaker 2: a certain amount of this violence. I want to show
Speaker 2: you this new poll that poster Rich Barris sent me
Speaker 2: over the weekend. He's doing some polling about the left,
Speaker 2: and he was freaked out. He's like, man, they're getting
Speaker 2: more radical. So you could see this. Fifty nine point
Speaker 2: four percent of those polled basically say they're democratic socialists,
Speaker 2: twenty one percent say unsure, twelve percent say traditional liberal,
Speaker 2: and six point two just say we're socialists. So the
Speaker 2: question then becomes, is the Democrat Party becomes more radical? Noah,
Speaker 2: should we just sort of anticipate that they are comfortable
Speaker 2: with more and more violence, because I don't want to
Speaker 2: over prescribe and say they're all comfortable with assassination. I
Speaker 2: know that's not true, but there's certainly some that are,
Speaker 2: and there's even more that are comfortable with overt acts
Speaker 2: of disruption, chaos, political violence, vandalism. That seems to be
Speaker 2: pretty darn mainstream on the left. Now, how much are
Speaker 2: they like right now, if you took a snapshot of
Speaker 2: the Democrat Party or the progressive movement in the United States,
Speaker 2: how much violence are they comfortable with?
Speaker 11: Well, I go into the polling in the book, and
Speaker 11: it depends obviously on the survey and the sample and
Speaker 11: the time that the survey has taken. But there are
Speaker 11: trends that indicate that increasing numbers of Democrat affiliating voters
Speaker 11: in this country tell pollsters, not just to themselves, are
Speaker 11: willing to tell pollsters that they do support some level
Speaker 11: of violence in order to suppress speech they don't like,
Speaker 11: for example, or to forget positive social change as they
Speaker 11: see it. I think the vast majority of responsible Democrats
Speaker 11: do not support violence in the streets. That said, there
Speaker 11: is an element within the Democratic Party that is attracted
Speaker 11: to people power. When they see people on the street, mobs,
Speaker 11: vast numbers of protesters. They see in that a reflection
Speaker 11: of what they regard as romantic zeal enthusiasm for their
Speaker 11: political project, and then they subordinate all they know, all
Speaker 11: the caution just goes out the window in order to
Speaker 11: embrace those groups and channel and harness that energy into
Speaker 11: what they believe will be positive social change. So they
Speaker 11: did that with Occupy Wall Street. Even if you ask
Speaker 11: any member of Occupy Wall Street if they had any
Speaker 11: use for Democrats, they would tell you throw them all
Speaker 11: into the East River. We don't need them. Didn't matter
Speaker 11: even if they were engaged in lawless acts of violence,
Speaker 11: attacking federal facilities, attacking law enforcement, shielding perpetrators of violence
Speaker 11: and rape from law enforcement, all that was just pushed
Speaker 11: aside in order to try to harness this energy. They
Speaker 11: did the exact same thing ten years later with the
Speaker 11: George Floyd protests, seeing in that some measure of political
Speaker 11: enthusiasm that could get them over the hump, get them
Speaker 11: past the election with Trump, and to a certain extent, succeeded,
Speaker 11: but also traded in a lot of responsible governance to
Speaker 11: ingratiate themselves with a movement that anybody should have known
Speaker 11: at the time was potentially violent and certainly not sympathetic
Speaker 11: to the broadest number of Americans. But they just have
Speaker 11: this attachment to the enthusiasm in the streets that can
Speaker 11: that can be harnessed and controlled by the worst demagogues
Speaker 11: in this country. Well, they just subordinate everything they know.
Speaker 2: That sounds like they're just willing to sell their soul
Speaker 2: to the devil if they can think they can win
Speaker 2: an election.
Speaker 3: And it's so infuriating, Noah, that I just I think
Speaker 3: of like the double thing that must go on where
Speaker 3: a lot of these people can hear a report on
Speaker 3: CNN or you know, whatever they call MS now or
Speaker 3: whatever that'll say violent. We've checked the numbers, and political
Speaker 3: violence is overwhelmingly a right wing phenomenon. And yet at
Speaker 3: the same time, you know, I know, I think everybody knows,
Speaker 3: even members of the left will sometimes essentially gloat about
Speaker 3: this that it's never an event on a campus is
Speaker 3: never going to be canceled because of right wing violence,
Speaker 3: But it will because left and violence. They barricade the building,
Speaker 3: they set things on fire, they terrorize people, and as
Speaker 3: we know, they are capable of committing murder. Similarly, with
Speaker 3: after the George Floyd stuff. No one's ever worried an
Speaker 3: entire neighborhood is going to get torched by right wing violence.
Speaker 3: But it's happened with left wing violence. We've never had
Speaker 3: an urban takeover. We had a left wing radicals took
Speaker 3: over downtown Seattle for what a month.
Speaker 2: And summer of love.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, the chaz chop, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 3: It's one thing after another. And I guess, how does
Speaker 3: this double thing work? Are they just yeah, compartmentalizing? This
Speaker 3: is not real violence. And I should also mention the
Speaker 3: courthouse siege in Portland. You can have left wing agitators
Speaker 3: basically besiege a federal building for weeks on end, and.
Speaker 2: There's politicians defended.
Speaker 3: There's no equivalent of this on the right in America.
Speaker 11: It happens all the time. We've gotten almost used to it.
Speaker 11: The violence in Portland and places in Los Angeles, for example,
Speaker 11: descends almost nightly on these cities. It's kind of regarded
Speaker 11: as like a quirky feature of the urban scene. And
Speaker 11: it is just the decay of modern social life. It's
Speaker 11: the breakdown of elementary governance. And yes, you're right, there
Speaker 11: is no equivalent when it comes to the threat environment.
Speaker 11: The threat environment is so pronounced that proactive action like
Speaker 11: shutting down events has become common currency. And it's not
Speaker 11: something that has an equivalency on the right, but there is.
Speaker 11: You know, there's a taboo here that I can work
Speaker 11: with when the left says, well, the right is uniquely
Speaker 11: violence implicit in violent implicit in that is the notion
Speaker 11: that political violence is bad, right, because they wouldn't be
Speaker 11: accusing you of it if it was good. So there's
Speaker 11: an element there that reasonably understands that the American people
Speaker 11: writ large are not attracted to political violence. Abhorror political
Speaker 11: violence regarded as a threat to the social fabric. That's good,
Speaker 11: that's social Stigma's valuable. I want to encourage that, but
Speaker 11: I want to encourage it by also taking a look
Speaker 11: at what rightling violence looks like these days, the degree
Speaker 11: to which it mirrors some of the black block tactics
Speaker 11: that we see again nightly displayed in cities in which demonstrators,
Speaker 11: professional agitators and organizers who dress on uniform somehow have
Speaker 11: respirators and gas masks delivered to them by shady shady
Speaker 11: actors just pop up out of nowhere and get unloaded
Speaker 11: out of a u haul. This happens with disturbing frequency.
Speaker 11: And by putting this all these events together in this book,
Speaker 11: Bled and Progress, I hope that we can create a
Speaker 11: portrait that compels the American left to look at this
Speaker 11: phenomenon because it has been delineated and such as in
Speaker 11: this fashion they get away with it by analyzing each
Speaker 11: event of left wing political violence in isolation, never drawing
Speaker 11: the threads are that any logical inference would allow them
Speaker 11: to draw, and then telling themselves that the right wing
Speaker 11: has a monopoly on political violence in this country. By
Speaker 11: establishing the timeline as I have, I hope, and with
Speaker 11: eighty pages of notes, I dare you defy you to
Speaker 11: go check my work. I hope someone does. I'm creating
Speaker 11: a roadmap here for individuals who want to confront the
Speaker 11: left with their tacit and complicit except of a rising
Speaker 11: tide of political violence on their side, with everything they
Speaker 11: have allowed to flourish. It's when it's put all together
Speaker 11: like that, it's a pretty damning portrait.
Speaker 2: I think I think it is. And I, by the way,
Speaker 2: I love the title of your book because it's sort
Speaker 2: of a play on the lefts and the SPLC is
Speaker 2: their favorite sort of boogeyman blood and soil, and you're like,
Speaker 2: how about blood and progress? Because now you guys have
Speaker 2: to own it. And I think it was really important
Speaker 2: timing with this book. No so thank you for writing it,
Speaker 2: and thank you for putting together the thesis statement that
Speaker 2: they're going to have to contend with now that the
Speaker 2: left is a movement very priory, especially in our moment
Speaker 2: and throughout history to political violence. Thank you, Noah, God
Speaker 2: bless me. Thank you guys. It's an honor to be here.
Speaker 7: I appreciate it.
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