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Speaker 2: Welcome to America.

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Speaker 3: Jihad did not come to America by accident. It came

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Speaker 3: to America by design, but it was not exclusively the

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Speaker 3: design of the radical Muslims. They couldn't have done it

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Speaker 3: by themselves. In reality, jihad came to America because the

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Speaker 3: Left and the Democratic Party wanted it here. If you're shocked,

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Speaker 3: that's because it is shocking. It also has the added

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Speaker 3: merit of being true. Islamic terrorism is now routine in

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Speaker 3: of a century after nine to eleven. We are not

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Speaker 3: equipped to deal with what the radical Muslims have in

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Speaker 3: store for us. They're not merely interested in striking the

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Speaker 3: White House or iconic buildings, the symbols of American government

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Speaker 3: and capitalism. They're showing up in our streets, schools, churches,

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Speaker 3: and neighborhoods. It's the phenomenon of the jihadi among us,

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Speaker 3: the terrorist next door. The reason for this rash of

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Speaker 3: terrorism is global jihad. Even though the Left pretends not

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Speaker 3: to understand this, we all know it's true. But what

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Speaker 3: we don't seem to understand is that the global Jihatis

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Speaker 3: don't operate alone. They need help, and they have it.

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Speaker 3: That Jihati might have arrived next door, but how did

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Speaker 3: he get there? He got there because someone gave him

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Speaker 3: the keys. Terrorism in America is the result. It is

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Speaker 3: the triumph of the Red Green Alliance. Hang with me,

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Speaker 3: I'll explain now. In just a couple of weeks, we've

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Speaker 3: seen no less than five terrorist incidents. A Jihati rams

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Speaker 3: Another Jihati walks into an ROTC classroom at Old Dominion

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Speaker 3: through homemade bombs at an anti Islam demonstration outside Mayor

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Speaker 3: Zoran Mamdani's mansion in New York City. A man wearing

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Speaker 3: a sweatshirt that said property of Allah randomly fired into

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Speaker 3: A man named Kyle Chris, also known as Muhi Mohanad Nudgem,

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Speaker 3: it during the month of Ramadan, makes you wonder about

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Speaker 3: the religion of peace, doesn't it. Yet media coverage of

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Speaker 3: these events bears little resemblance to what's actually going on.

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Speaker 3: In one case, the Texas elementary school, there has been

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Speaker 3: very little national coverage at all.

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Speaker 4: Think about it.

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Speaker 3: A radical Islamist from Iraq who became a naturalized citizen

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Speaker 4: Not a big story.

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Speaker 3: We've been hearing for weeks about Savannah Guthrie's mom in Phoenix.

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Speaker 3: That's an interesting story, fine, because of the Savannah connection,

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Speaker 3: but it's not as relevant as a story that reveals

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Speaker 3: how a jihadi tried to get into an elementary school

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Speaker 3: with a firearm. If things like that happen, our children

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Speaker 3: pressing public issue than a TV anchor's eighty four year

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Speaker 3: old mom going missing. But as it turns out, there's

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Speaker 3: a reason for the underreporting of the Texas elementary school incident.

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Speaker 3: The reason is to keep the media spotlight away from

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Speaker 3: how radical Islam poses a danger to our society. In

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Speaker 3: the minds of our journalists and editors, why unnecessarily foster

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Speaker 3: Islamophobia in this country. That's the way the media and

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Speaker 3: the left sea it. Islamophobia, not radical Islam, is the problem.

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Speaker 3: Here's the headline from ABC News Old Dominion, Suspected gunman

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Speaker 3: IDs as ex Army National Guard member FBI. Notice what

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Speaker 4: Only further down in the article. Do we read this?

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Speaker 3: The school shooting was allegedly committed by a former Army

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Speaker 3: National guardsman who was convicted of giving material support to ISIS.

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Speaker 4: Hmm, yes, well, how telling.

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Speaker 3: That they chose to leave out the ISIS angle from

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Speaker 4: Hey, shouldn't we highlight that this guy was convicted of

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Speaker 4: supporting ISIS? Journalist, I don't know if that's relevant.

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Speaker 3: Find it much more interesting that this guy once served

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well, I guess you're right now.

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Speaker 3: A second strategy even more common is for the media

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Speaker 3: to mislead Americans about the motives for these terrorist incidents.

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Speaker 3: Jake Tapper on CNN is typical. Recently, he said, in

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Speaker 3: reference to the Bloomfield, Michigan attack on the Jewish Temple,

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Speaker 3: to be clear, we don't know the motives. Well, this

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Speaker 3: is an obvious deflection. Jake Tapper knows the motive. Everyone

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Speaker 3: saw some of this media head scratching about motive and

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Speaker 3: When media outlets pretend not to notice what cannot go unnoticed,

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Speaker 3: some thing's up. Finally, the media does its best to

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Speaker 3: if this involves ridiculous stretches and contortions. Here's ms NOW,

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Speaker 3: the old MSNBC.

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Speaker 5: Well, the Republican party is having right now, a real

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Speaker 5: fight on its hand, has a real fight on its

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Speaker 5: anti Semitic or flirting with anti Semitism, and Republicans on

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Speaker 5: the other side of the party who are saying, hold on,

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Speaker 5: what are you doing? This is ripping us apart. Democrats

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Speaker 3: What makes this analysis so sneaky is it is based

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Speaker 4: Not only that, but.

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Speaker 3: This anti Semitic camp on the right has absolutely nothing

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Speaker 3: to do with Muslim jihadi's launching a lahu akbar attacks.

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Speaker 3: The motivation for that is not Tucker's podcast or Candice's

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Speaker 3: latest investigation. The motivation for that is Islam itself. So

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Speaker 3: now we get to the reason for the media's extreme reticence,

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Speaker 3: or in some cases, shameless prevarication regarding these attacks. Well,

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Speaker 3: there are actually two reasons. One of them is obvious,

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Speaker 3: The single factor that unites these jihadi attacks in America,

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Speaker 3: is immigration. I'm tempted to say illegal immigration, but that's

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Speaker 3: not correct. All of the incidents mentioned above involve legal immigration.

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Speaker 3: The perpetrators in every case are either naturalized US citizens

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Speaker 3: the left loves immigration. The left loves immigration so much

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Speaker 3: in other words, isn't that they are breaking the law.

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Speaker 3: It's that we have failed to document them. The solution

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Speaker 3: leftists in the media, which is to say, the entire

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Speaker 3: mainstream media covers for Islamic terrorism because it knows that

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Speaker 3: the source of that terrorism is imported terrorists. And how

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Speaker 3: are these terrorists imported? Well, they come through the veryvarious

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Speaker 3: and so on. Basically, they play the system and they're

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Speaker 3: here to stay. The tens of thousands of military age

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Speaker 3: muslim Men who came from far away lands in Somalia, Afghanistan,

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Speaker 3: by the way, and a commitment to violent jihad, the

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Speaker 3: want to overthrow the American system. They're now in a

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Speaker 3: position to launch coordinated attacks in our malls, our stadiums,

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Speaker 3: unprepared for that, and it's an outrage. Why would we

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Speaker 3: that the legals all came here in pursuit of the

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Speaker 3: We did not do this. We did not let this happen.

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Speaker 3: The left did? The Democratic Party? Did the Biden administration,

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Speaker 3: getting them. The bad guys out of here. Wait, am

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Speaker 3: I really saying that the Left, the Democrats, the Biden

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Speaker 3: these same people want to keep them here. Yes, that

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Speaker 3: future democratic voters, and the left also benefits from the

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Speaker 3: influence the allocation of electoral representation in the House. Yeah okay,

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, we assume that the left

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Speaker 3: didn't want the terrorists here. They didn't intend for the

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Speaker 3: Jihadis to come. They merely opened the gates, and a

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Speaker 3: in my view, naive. Why would we presume that the

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Speaker 3: it is consistent with those interests and objectives. What I'm

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Speaker 3: suggesting is that imported Islamic terrorism is the result of

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Speaker 3: the red green alliance. Here, the red stands for communism, socialism,

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Speaker 3: Islamic flag and therefore represents Islam. Let's look more closely

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Speaker 3: at how this red green alliance works. I recognize, of course,

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Speaker 3: that the Reds and the Greens have different end goals.

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Speaker 3: For the Reds, it's a permissive socialist society, a coalition

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Speaker 3: the caliphate under the rule of Shariah. Yet, even if

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Speaker 3: the way to get to the end goal is the same.

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Speaker 3: For both the Reds and the Greens. Both hate traditional America,

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Speaker 3: Both hate Western civilization and use the power at their

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Speaker 3: disposal to undermine it. Now, how do they do this?

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Speaker 1: to hold people to their beliefs. It is an attempt

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Speaker 1: maybe to take their worst statement and to you know,

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Speaker 1: turn that into an actionable piece of policy. And I

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Speaker 1: think that to the extent that that's done, it's so

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Speaker 1: disingenuous that it not even be it ought not be

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Speaker 1: even be validated or justified with responses or otherwise. And so,

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Speaker 1: you know, like you were mentioning these group chat leaks,

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Speaker 1: these crass jokes that people make. I just think it

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Speaker 1: is so cruel and dishonest to take statements that people make,

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Speaker 1: which certainly, yes, unsavory, crass whatever. I think it's very

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Speaker 1: just uncharitable to take those statements and then try to

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Speaker 1: extract from them a true, you know, policy prescription. The

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Speaker 1: way that oftentimes politicians and pundits.

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Speaker 3: Do you said very recently that you are not a grouper?

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Speaker 3: And I saw a little video from Nick flent Is

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Speaker 3: basically saying something like noted and and so tell me,

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Speaker 3: because I have a sort of an idea of what

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Speaker 3: a grouper is? What is a groeper? Did you used

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Speaker 3: to consider yourself a groper? Are you no longer a groper?

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Speaker 3: Or have you always had some distance? Can you give

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Speaker 3: us some clarity about who is who is to you

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Speaker 3: a grouper?

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Speaker 4: And why are you not a groper?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'll be honest, I don't know if it's

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Speaker 1: this easily definable thing. There's plenty of people who you know,

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Speaker 1: may call themselves a groper, and that then other gropers

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Speaker 1: could say I completely disagree with this person calling themselves.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, from from the very inception, I

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Speaker 1: haven't you know, really used the label. I've used it

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Speaker 1: a couple of times and more just kind of in

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Speaker 1: a cultural sense, like the groper itself is a variant

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Speaker 1: right of this Pepe the frog character. But I think

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Speaker 1: since since my time on the Internet, people have kind

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Speaker 1: of noticed that I maybe although adjacent and certainly participatory,

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Speaker 1: or because I participated in the America First circles. People

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Speaker 1: would look at me and and they associate me with

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Speaker 1: this label grouper, But there was something very different, and maybe,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's the fact that I was Mormon. It

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Speaker 1: was my demeanor demeanor maybe and for me, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think the label is kind of unimportant. I think

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Speaker 1: I'm Kai Schwemmer. I can participate in political circles, whether

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Speaker 1: they be in the America First political circles, whether they

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Speaker 1: be in the more you know, college Republicans political circles.

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Speaker 1: I can do all of that, and it does not

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Speaker 1: require me to take on any other label or necessarily

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Speaker 1: associate with a broad variety of ideas because I am

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Speaker 1: who I am. I'm Kyle Schwemer, And I think when

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Speaker 1: we discuss politics, it's actually far more productive to look

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Speaker 1: at people as individuals and to look at certain ideas.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think that people are, you know, lying

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Speaker 1: when when they say that I've I've definitely participated in

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Speaker 1: America First adjacent circles by nature of what I do politically,

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Speaker 1: and and and certainly many of the opinions that I hold.

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Speaker 1: I think that's absolutely fair.

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Speaker 4: But you know, but you're saying America.

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Speaker 3: First, generally, you've I mean you've streamed with Nick, you'ben

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Speaker 3: to his conferences.

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Speaker 4: We're talking about about Nick Fouent, so so.

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Speaker 1: Has so has Laura Lumer, so has John Doyle. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think if if that is is the standard, you know,

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Speaker 1: you begin to create a lot more droipers maybe than

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Speaker 1: you are comfortable with.

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Speaker 3: The Nash Yeah, yeah, And I'm not suggesting that it's

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Speaker 3: it's something that you should be penitent for or anything

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Speaker 3: like that. I'm simply trying to say, well, let's talk

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Speaker 3: about Nick, because I mean, I think I debated Nick

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Speaker 3: several months ago. It was on Iran, and my take

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Speaker 3: on Nick, which I don't know if you agree with,

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Speaker 3: is that Nick wants to be the edgy man's edgy man,

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Speaker 3: and so he will say things that are not just

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Speaker 3: aimed at getting a reaction, but aimed at positioning himself

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Speaker 3: as sort of the most outrageous character on the internet

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Speaker 3: and that. But I think you can also see that

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Speaker 3: when you say those things, the people in the groups

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Speaker 3: that you're saying them are going to get alarmed because they,

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Speaker 3: first of all, are unaccustomed to hearing this kind of discourse,

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Speaker 3: and second of.

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Speaker 4: All the idea that.

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Speaker 3: These ideas are being sort of put out there, and

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Speaker 3: even in a lighthearted way, is almost even more disturbing

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Speaker 3: because there is in fact a disturbing history to some

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Speaker 3: of these I'm thinking of particular only about things that

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Speaker 3: have to do with Nazism and the Holocaust.

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Speaker 4: What's your what's your.

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Speaker 3: Reading on on on on Nick? And I mean is

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Speaker 3: my take is that Nick is not a real Nazi

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Speaker 3: in the sense that Nick wouldn't do the things the

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Speaker 3: Nazis did. But Nick is a performance artist Nazi who

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Speaker 3: says things for effect.

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Speaker 4: Do you agree to disagree?

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think he's a Nazi and and

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Speaker 1: so so I agree with you there. I also don't

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Speaker 1: believe that he's a performance arts performance art Nazi. I

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Speaker 1: think certainly you're you're right that he says things that

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Speaker 1: you know, what we would call clip farming, right. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's there's statements that he has made and maybe it

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Speaker 1: is the use of racial slurs, right, which can seem

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Speaker 1: totally over the top. But what I think is fascinating

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Speaker 1: to realize is that there are certainly walls of political

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Speaker 1: correctness that maybe we imagine are there. But but then

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Speaker 1: when you when you see these things said, when you

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Speaker 1: hear them said, you begin to realize that there are

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Speaker 1: a ton of people who, you know, maybe even the

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Speaker 1: audiences that we think would react most negatively, can see

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Speaker 1: that there's some element of truth. I think that's where

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Speaker 1: that's where that comes from. This is the reason that

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Speaker 1: people use, you know, this this kind of edgy or

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Speaker 1: politically in correct humor. It's always with some you know,

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Speaker 1: portion of the truth. And I think there is some

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Speaker 1: certainly there's some cultural value to saying things that may

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Speaker 1: be sound offensive. But then you know, he'll say something

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Speaker 1: about black Americans, for instance, and you find that clip

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Speaker 1: circulated among tons of black YouTubers who all say, hey,

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Speaker 1: I agree with Nick Flentes, And you know, what does

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Speaker 1: that tell you? It tells you that maybe there are

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Speaker 1: these these constructions, or these construct political correct walls that

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Speaker 1: bind us in a way that stops us from talking

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Speaker 1: about certain things. And so while you know, my approach

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Speaker 1: and the way I talk is to an onlooker obviously

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Speaker 1: very different and it's not an attempt to obfuscate, I

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Speaker 1: think there it's just a clear difference in who we

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Speaker 1: are as people and the way that we do politics

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Speaker 1: and talk. And I don't think that's a bad thing.

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Speaker 1: I think you do need a diverse array of perspectives

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Speaker 1: and ways of doing things. But that will also be

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Speaker 1: your difference between the Donald Trump and and the Ted Cruz.

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Speaker 1: I think you're going to have somebody who says crass things,

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Speaker 1: who has baggage behind him, and there is often even

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Speaker 1: some value in seeing those people succeed or or having

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Speaker 1: giving them, like you said, an opportunity to talk about

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Speaker 1: their ideas in spite of maybe the controversy or the

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Speaker 1: polemics of it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I agree with this principle.

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Speaker 6: Kai.

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Speaker 3: When I was an undergraduate of Dart myth people kept

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Speaker 3: attacking us as homophobes. This was almost the origins of

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Speaker 3: that term, you know, homophobia. And we were so annoyed

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Speaker 3: by this that we decided a bunch of us right

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Speaker 3: wingers to create the Society of Creative Homophobia, and so

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Speaker 3: we you know, we had a manifesto, we began to

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Speaker 3: organize events. But it was a way of jibing at

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Speaker 3: that label and in your words, taking down the walls

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Speaker 3: of political correctness. Let's turn to a little more substance

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Speaker 3: of discussion. If I can so we've come a long

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Speaker 3: way since the Reagan years. And in the Reagan years,

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Speaker 3: conservatism was defined really around three pillars. The first one

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Speaker 3: was anti communism and the ideas it's a very dangerous world.

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Speaker 3: There are a lot of bad guys out there. We need

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Speaker 3: to be strong so we can have peace through strength.

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Speaker 3: The second pillar was free market economics and the ideas

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Speaker 3: that you need free markets to generate prosperity. And the

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Speaker 3: third idea was I would call it traditional values loosely speaking,

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Speaker 3: which is pro life and the idea of having a

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Speaker 3: wholesome cultural communities. I'd like you to reflect on those

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Speaker 3: three pillars of Reaganism and say do you agree with

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Speaker 3: those or do you think that one of those pillars

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Speaker 3: is obsolete?

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Speaker 4: What makes us different now?

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Speaker 3: That causes this generational even you've said things like, you know,

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Speaker 3: what have the old conservatives really conserved? This is what

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Speaker 3: I want to get at. Is Reaganism still relevant? And

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Speaker 3: how is the Trump agenda different from it?

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Speaker 1: It's a good question. Remind me one more time, was

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Speaker 1: what was the way you described the first pillar?

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Speaker 3: The first pillar is anti communism and was simply the

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Speaker 3: idea more broadly, because of course, we don't have Soviet communism.

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Speaker 3: The world is a really dangerous place. The United States

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Speaker 3: cannot subtract itself from the world. We got to realize

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Speaker 3: we have there are good guys out there, and they're

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Speaker 3: really bad guys, and we have to deal with that.

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Speaker 4: And the way to deal with that is to be

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Speaker 4: really tough.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think, you know, I'll say, maybe we

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Speaker 1: start with the good. You know, I'm a glass half

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Speaker 1: full kind of guy. I do think that that to

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Speaker 1: a large degree, the traditional values we're largely maintained by

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Speaker 1: by the let's say, the Reagan era Republicans. I think,

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Speaker 1: like you mentioned the issue of life, and to some

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Speaker 1: extent as well, the issue of marriage. These were well defended,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's that's much easier to do when

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Speaker 1: you come from a society that has a higher, you know,

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Speaker 1: amount of social trust in social capital to begin with.

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Speaker 1: I think unfortunately, and this, you know, a lot of

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Speaker 1: the critique that that my generation and I myself have

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Speaker 1: it has to do with this second column, the second pillar,

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Speaker 1: which is about the economic prosperity to free markets. I

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Speaker 1: think we got a little lost after that that generation,

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Speaker 1: and we began to see free markets and we began

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Speaker 1: to see capitalism as you know, the end that we

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Speaker 1: are aspiring to rather than the means to the end,

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Speaker 1: when in reality, the end needs to be a prospering America,

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Speaker 1: thriving America, and thriving American families. And I think as

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Speaker 1: I reflect on what went so wrong, I don't think

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Speaker 1: a lot of it was necessarily malicious. But I think

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Speaker 1: that if you could go back in time, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if Reagan would go through with amnesty.

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Speaker 1: I think if we can go back and look at

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Speaker 1: the way that the country is shaping or is shaping

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Speaker 1: up and shifting over time, issues of immigration and of

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Speaker 1: you know, free market economics, we begin to look at

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Speaker 1: them very differently, and we get to calculate the risks

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Speaker 1: differently as well. As much as free markets are good,

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Speaker 1: they are certainly the most effective way of ordering an economy,

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Speaker 1: they are not, you know, a moral good in and

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Speaker 1: of themselves, like I said before, And if we allow

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Speaker 1: our perspective of politics to be so focused on them,

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Speaker 1: we will begin to throw things like you know, demographic consistency,

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Speaker 1: cultural cohesion. We begin to throw those by the wayside,

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Speaker 1: because it's very easy to make the argument that you know,

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Speaker 1: foreign laborers who come here, either legally or illegally, are

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Speaker 1: going to be able to provide cheap labor, which enhances

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Speaker 1: the ability to produce some kind of good, and that

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Speaker 1: is certainly something advantageous to corporations. Is that good for

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Speaker 1: the everyday American? Well, we see in twenty sixteen that

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Speaker 1: there's plenty of people who felt the effects of that offshoring,

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Speaker 1: which some economic prosperity for the United States certainly also,

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Speaker 1: you know, displaced a ton of people, threw them out

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Speaker 1: of their jobs. And the Trump Revolution, I think is

649
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Speaker 1: a response to that. I don't think it's necessarily a

650
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Speaker 1: direct continuation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as I think about what you're saying, which by

652
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Speaker 3: the way, I agree with completely, I think that what

653
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Speaker 3: happened in the Reagan years was that the neo cons

654
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Speaker 3: essentially occupied the domain of foreign policy, the Libertarians took

655
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Speaker 3: over the domain of economic policy, where this kind of

656
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Speaker 3: free market absolutism I think, you know, the idea being that,

657
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Speaker 3: guess what if you can make steel in Indonesia for

658
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Speaker 3: half the price of what it cost to make it

659
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 3: in Pittsburgh, you got to do it because it's going

660
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Speaker 3: to promote efficiency. That was very much a libertarian idea,

661
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 3: and the cultural conservatives were all focused on things like

662
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Speaker 3: pornography and gay marriage and pro life, and so there

663
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Speaker 3: was this kind of segmentation on the right. I think

664
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Speaker 3: what you're saying is that, guess what, cultural issues and

665
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Speaker 3: economic issues are closely connected. And I think what I

666
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Speaker 3: take you to be saying is that we should reject

667
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Speaker 3: this kind of dogmatic libertarianism which makes the market this

668
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Speaker 3: sort of final good. You're saying, it's an intermediate good

669
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Speaker 3: toward prosperity, but the final good is, in fact, the

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Speaker 3: the well being of American citizens. Am I am I

671
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Speaker 3: correctly summarizing what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly, I think there's an unfortunate Uh maybe maybe

673
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Speaker 1: we were golible. I mean I wasn't alive. I was

674
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Speaker 1: I was in the pre mortal life, so you know,

675
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Speaker 1: I have to put this on your generation. But I

676
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Speaker 1: think there was this there's this idea maybe of being golible,

677
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Speaker 1: about how quickly the nation's you know, moral character would

678
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Speaker 1: would diminish. And and and that is I think really

679
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Speaker 1: what we lose out on. And I think about, you know,

680
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: the fragmentation, that's not all that bad. The issue is

681
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Speaker 1: though that the right has allowed the left to right

682
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Speaker 1: the rules for us, and so you know, we basically

683
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Speaker 1: started making sacrifices. We would say, well, as long as

684
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Speaker 1: we can keep the free market economics, then okay, we can,

685
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe let some of the social issues fall

686
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Speaker 1: by the wayside. But the idea of like a constitutionally

687
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: guaranteed right to gay mary or to get an abortion,

688
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 1: these are ideas that to any of the founding fathers

689
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Speaker 1: would have been would not have been plausible like that,

690
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Speaker 1: that would have seemed ridiculous. And I think that the

691
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Speaker 1: right wing often underestimates just how vicious the left will

692
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Speaker 1: be in attacking first this cultural pillar as soon as

693
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Speaker 1: you know, the guards are being let down. But then

694
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Speaker 1: next to the economics and also you know, our stance

695
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Speaker 1: on the global stage. I think the left does not

696
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Speaker 1: want an America that is a global superpower. I think

697
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Speaker 1: they almost see it, as you know, as immoral, and

698
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Speaker 1: so we have to worry about every single pillar, and

699
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Speaker 1: we can't let a single one fall.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think here were this generational issue is.

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Speaker 2: Me.

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Speaker 3: It's very interesting because I lived through it, you know,

703
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Speaker 3: and so to tell you, for example, about the DEI

704
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Speaker 3: affirmative action, debate in the nineteen nineties, the left's control

705
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Speaker 3: over this issue was so complete. I mean every institution,

706
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Speaker 3: every corporation, every university, that the number of people who

707
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Speaker 3: were publicly attacking affirmative action I could count on the

708
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Speaker 3: fingers of two hands. I mean there was Thomas Sohl,

709
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Speaker 3: Walter Williams, Glenn Lowry, me, a few others, and that

710
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Speaker 3: was it. I mean we were outnumbered. And we were

711
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Speaker 3: outnumbered because as you know, and this is true even today,

712
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Speaker 3: even though in politics we might have been roughly evenly

713
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Speaker 3: matched against the left, in culture, we were completely defeated.

714
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Speaker 3: And by that I mean the left dominated academia, they

715
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Speaker 3: now dominated the media, they dominated the music industry, the

716
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Speaker 3: entertainment industry. So and this cultural power, by the way,

717
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Speaker 3: it doesn't swap with elections, it is it is a

718
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Speaker 3: kind of permanent quasi state outside the state. And so

719
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Speaker 3: on the cultural issues, this is what we were kind

720
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Speaker 3: of up against.

721
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Speaker 4: Even with abortion.

722
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Speaker 3: You know, you had the pro lifers, who by and

723
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Speaker 3: large were nuns with rosaries and people who were devoting

724
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Speaker 3: their time on a volunteer basis on our side, and

725
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Speaker 3: on the other side you had a massively funded, a

726
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Speaker 3: highly profitable industry that was also, by the way, getting

727
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Speaker 3: government funding, and so the scales were so absurdly tipped

728
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Speaker 3: against US. So for this reason, I think I'm not

729
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Speaker 3: generationally harsh on the earlier generation, just because you have

730
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Speaker 3: to realize how outnumbered they were, we were, you know,

731
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Speaker 3: in our time. Let's let's talk a little bit about

732
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Speaker 3: now and about about Iran.

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Speaker 4: Why do you think that this Iran war is a

734
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Speaker 4: bad idea?

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Speaker 3: And I said that because it seems to me that

736
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Speaker 3: Iran has been a thorn in our side since nineteen

737
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Speaker 3: seventy nine. Even if they you know, you can debate

738
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Speaker 3: how close they are to having a nuclear weapon, but

739
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Speaker 3: their aspiration to have one and their knowledge about how

740
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Speaker 3: to build one is not disputed. They're a rich country,

741
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Speaker 3: so they're able to get the resources to get there.

742
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Speaker 3: Why is it not a good idea if we can

743
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Speaker 3: at a reasonable in a reasonable way, knock out the

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Speaker 3: Mullahs and have a post Mullah Iran, Why is that

745
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Speaker 3: not America?

746
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Speaker 4: First?

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Speaker 1: Well, look, when we think about the Iran conflict, I

748
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Speaker 1: think the right to point out some of the circumstances, right,

749
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Speaker 1: which is this idea of the imminent threat has been

750
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Speaker 1: discussed and debated for thirty years. We're obviously, you know,

751
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Speaker 1: on the back of the bombing of their nuclear enrichment sites,

752
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Speaker 1: and what was it June of last year or just

753
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Speaker 1: last year, right when we, together with Israel also struck

754
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Speaker 1: these enrichment sites. You had the pager attacks were very successful.

755
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Speaker 1: But then somehow, already now in March, we have this

756
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Speaker 1: conversation that the threat is really imminent and Israel is

757
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Speaker 1: going to strike no matter what, and so the United

758
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Speaker 1: States might as well go along with it. I think

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Speaker 1: the big problem with this whole conflict that's kind of

760
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Speaker 1: the context out of the way, is the way we

761
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Speaker 1: are drawn into it. I'm not alone in hearing the

762
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Speaker 1: words of Mike Johnson or even of Secretary Rubio and

763
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Speaker 1: looking at kind of the strategic situation and saying, hey,

764
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Speaker 1: it looks like once again we've kind of been brought

765
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Speaker 1: into this because Israel was going to do something that

766
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Speaker 1: was going to create some kind of threat to the

767
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Speaker 1: United States, and it looks like time and time again

768
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Speaker 1: we have an inability to restrain them.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 1: I totally hear what you're saying, and I agree. I

771
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Speaker 1: think that the United States can analyze threats and go

772
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Speaker 1: in and take them out on our own terms, on

773
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Speaker 1: our own time when we deem it is most efficient.

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Speaker 1: But it doesn't seem like we're the ones actually making

775
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Speaker 1: those decisions. It looks like the strategic situation is time

776
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Speaker 1: and time again being created by Israel, who is going

777
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Speaker 1: to go in, whether we agree with them or not,

778
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Speaker 1: to attack Iran, whether we are in the middle of

779
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Speaker 1: negotiations or not, and you know, thwart those negotiations or

780
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Speaker 1: certainly hinder them, make them more difficult. And I think

781
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Speaker 1: that's the problem, is that our foreign policy, our negotiations

782
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Speaker 1: in the region are not so much autonomous. There's something

783
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Speaker 1: that are being They are spurred on by whatever Israel

784
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Speaker 1: decides to do in the region. And I think to

785
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Speaker 1: the extent that they rely on us to carry out

786
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Speaker 1: some of these military operations to oppose Iran because they

787
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Speaker 1: would not have been able to destroy these nuclear enrichment

788
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Speaker 1: sites themselves. Some people argue that they would have been

789
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Speaker 1: able to carry out the recent attacks right on the

790
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Speaker 1: Iotol and on the rest of the regime by themselves.

791
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Speaker 1: If that's the case, why didn't they do that? Why

792
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Speaker 1: did we have to go in? You know, I look

793
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Speaker 1: at it in time and time again I say, hey,

794
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Speaker 1: you know, if we are the superpower and if they

795
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Speaker 1: rely on us, the go ahead should be on our

796
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Speaker 1: terms and not on theirs.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I certainly agree with that in principle. I

798
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Speaker 3: mean there are a number of cases historically, I mean

799
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Speaker 3: World War two being a really good example. You know,

800
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Speaker 3: where allies with Great Britain. Nazi Germany does not attack

801
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Speaker 3: the United States. They're at war with Great Britain. Now

802
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 3: Great Britain tries to draw US into the war, and

803
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 3: FDR is sympathetic but somewhat reluctant. In fact, the US

804
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Speaker 3: doesn't actually get into the war until Pearl Harbor. Although interestingly,

805
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 3: Pearl Harbor is not launched by the Nazis. It's launched

806
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 3: by the Japanese, and yet we go into the war

807
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Speaker 3: whole hog. Now, let me frame it slightly differently, because

808
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Speaker 3: to me, you have this global aspiration to jihad, and

809
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Speaker 3: this is coming, by the way, not just from Iran.

810
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Speaker 3: There is coming from a lot of different places in

811
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Speaker 3: the Muslim world. But it has a violent component, and

812
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Speaker 3: it also has an infiltration component. The infiltration component is,

813
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Speaker 3: let's burrow our way into Australia and Canada and Europe,

814
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Speaker 3: and the United States. Let's you know, have mosques mushrooming

815
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Speaker 3: all over the country.

816
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Speaker 4: Let's take over school boards.

817
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Speaker 3: So you have people and I'm not saying it's all Muslims,

818
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Speaker 3: but they have a clear end goal. It's a caliphated Sharia.

819
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Speaker 3: And if you look at it in this in this

820
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Speaker 3: global framework where there is let's call it the jihad

821
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Speaker 3: of the sword. But then you also have, uh, the

822
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Speaker 3: sort of political jihad or the more subtle gihod. Why

823
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Speaker 3: not take it on on all fronts. I mean, why

824
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Speaker 3: not say, all right, look, if we can, if we

825
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Speaker 3: can knock out the head of the snake, which is

826
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Speaker 3: quite clearly Iran, and at the same time, we're going

827
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Speaker 3: to have to deal with this jihat that we're seeing

828
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Speaker 3: in our own communities. Isn't this kind of comprehensive approach

829
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Speaker 3: the right way to go or is there.

830
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Speaker 4: A better way to go? What's the better way to go?

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm and I think you would actually agree with me.

832
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Speaker 1: I'm dubious as to the idea that if we kind

833
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Speaker 1: of take out the Ayatola and Iran or you know,

834
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Speaker 1: push them all as out like you were saying, kind

835
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Speaker 1: of this this this post Mola maybe kind of look

836
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Speaker 1: at the region. I would ask, do you the nash

837
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Speaker 1: really believe that that brings an end to this kind

838
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Speaker 1: of global you know, aspiration of jihad, Like, do you

839
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Speaker 1: think that brings an end to it? From everything that

840
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Speaker 1: I hear from Republican pundits and certainly what I've seen myself,

841
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Speaker 1: because certainly they're of the religious element, there are aspirations

842
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Speaker 1: that are not you know, squashed once a head of

843
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Speaker 1: state is taken out, or once you know, a military

844
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Speaker 1: has been destabilized. I and frankly, past that point, I

845
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Speaker 1: think oftentimes things get worse. You know, in the aftermath

846
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Speaker 1: of the destabilization of Libya, you see a refugee crisis

847
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Speaker 1: in Europe, and a lot of the influx of Muslim

848
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Speaker 1: refugees that we got into Europe is as a result

849
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Speaker 1: of the stableization of Muslim countries. So oftentimes these two

850
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Speaker 1: issues are kind of pitted against each other. It's like,

851
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Speaker 1: you all, which you know is more of a threat.

852
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Speaker 1: Do you think it's Israel? Do you think it's Muslims.

853
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Speaker 1: I really don't think you can separate these issues because

854
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Speaker 1: our intervention is going to often increase some of the

855
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Speaker 1: problems that we see domestically, like with refugee crises, like

856
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 1: with the change in populations and demographics. And I am

857
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Speaker 1: very skeptical that, you know, any amount of military intervention

858
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Speaker 1: is ever going to stop the desire of Islam to

859
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Speaker 1: spread itself around the Western world.

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Speaker 3: Well my reaction to that is is this, and that

861
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Speaker 3: is that the Muslim Brotherhood was founded in nineteen twenty

862
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Speaker 3: eight and it kicked off this phase of modern radical

863
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Speaker 3: Islam and the modern incarnation. But the radical Muslims were ragtag,

864
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Speaker 3: you know, they were ragtag groups in Egypt, in Pakistan.

865
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Speaker 3: Later of course you had groups like Al Keida an Isis,

866
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Speaker 3: but these guys never had control of a country of

867
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Speaker 3: a major state. Now again, later they got the Taliban

868
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 3: came to power and wash in Afghanistan. But even Afghanistan

869
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,919
Speaker 3: is a small washing rum, not Washington yet, right exactly. Now,

870
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 3: Iran is a major country. Right if you look at

871
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 3: the Middle East, there's no doubt that Saudi Arabia and

872
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 3: Egypt and Irana the three kind of big boys in

873
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 3: that neighborhood. So I think that this inspired radical Jihadis

874
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 3: around the world because finally, with the Ayatollah Khomani, they

875
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 3: got a hold of a major state. For this reason,

876
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Speaker 3: I think that for the Malas to fall would be

877
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Speaker 3: a massive blow.

878
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 4: Now, it doesn't end the problem.

879
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,919
Speaker 3: I agree the problem is global, but it would be

880
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 3: a major, a major setback. The other thing I think

881
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 3: is that unlike say Iraq or Afghanistan, Iran actually has

882
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 3: an ancient history. They have been a constitutional republic. They

883
00:49:56,040 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 3: did have a parliament functioning before nineteen seven nine. There

884
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 3: are very educated people, So I think the prospects for

885
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 3: having a regime, and.

886
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 4: It may not be a democratic regime.

887
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Speaker 3: They might decide to bring back the Shah's son and

888
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Speaker 3: have some sort of a constitutional monarchy.

889
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 4: I don't know.

890
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 3: I think that's actually up to them, but I don't

891
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 3: have much doubt that what replaces the current regime would

892
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 3: be better. It probably wouldn't be ideal, but if we

893
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 3: can get a regime in there, that's pro American. See

894
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,439
Speaker 3: that to me is America first, because that ultimately gets

895
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 3: us a friend. And I would say make the same

896
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 3: argument about Venezuela similarly, a country which has had a

897
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 3: prosperous The Venezuelan constitution is actually modeled on the US Constitution.

898
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 3: Simon Bolivar was a great admirer of the founders and

899
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 3: frequently talked about George Washington. So for these reasons, it

900
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 3: seems to me that Venezuela and Iran are different than say,

901
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 3: Iraq and Afghanistan.

902
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't disagree with the idea that they are,

903
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: that they are different kind of engagements, and I like

904
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: the fact that we are at least conscious of some

905
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: of the issues that occurred there this attempt at nation building.

906
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 1: But then I look at the statements that are being

907
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: made by President Trump himself that you know, we're going

908
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: to make sure like to build a rent up, it's

909
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: going to have this tremendous, amazing economy, and we are

910
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: going to, you know, replace the head of state. We're

911
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: going to have regime change. We're going to encourage and

912
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: enable the Iranian people to take back their government. It

913
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: will be theirs. I look at that and I'm like, well, then,

914
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: how is that not nasion building? How is this not

915
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: regime change? And to be fair, I think it is

916
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: regime change. I think that's what he said. I think

917
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: he's been open about it, the same way that when

918
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: he talked about Venezuela, despite the fact that the left

919
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: wanted to say Oh, this is all about oil, and

920
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. If you listen to

921
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: Trump speech, he mentioned oil like ten times. So I

922
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: think we are clear about our objectives. I just don't

923
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: think they're going to be very easy to attain. And

924
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: right now, I think that the conflict in Iran, the

925
00:51:55,719 --> 00:52:00,280
Speaker 1: war in Iran, it is a losing situation already because

926
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: you have a friction between Trump, who has heard and

927
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: who has campaigned and talked about this idea of not

928
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: having these these new, endless foreign wars, and certainly a

929
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: representation of that is when we have boots on the ground.

930
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: That is, to the average person, the immediate you know,

931
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: correlation that they drop up is boots on the ground

932
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: means foreign wars means Iraq, Afghanistan all over again. And

933
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: then you have the other side, which is that, okay,

934
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: well we've already been in, we have taken out, you know,

935
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: the head of state, the Ayatola, and there is kind

936
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: of now this effort at regime change. Certainly the country

937
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: is less stable now than it was just a month ago.

938
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: So what do you do? You're basically stuck with leaving

939
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: a country in a state of disrepair or needing to

940
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: send in troops in order to actually pursue a successful

941
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 1: regime change. You can't carry out the regime change from

942
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: the skies. And I don't think that that is a

943
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: it's like a wind lose I think it is a

944
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: lose lose situation. Neither of these outcomes are particularly good

945
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: for the United States because they either include, you know,

946
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 1: an optical to disaster by just destabilizing a country, potentially

947
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: seeing refugees flood into Europe or a further destabilization of

948
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: global trade routes, or you have a complete optical disaster

949
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: of sending troops into Iran to die in another war

950
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: with a mission outcome that does not seem likely to

951
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: be obtained within the next couple months. And so I

952
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: think if we could have avoided it or certainly pursued negotiations,

953
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: I actually do believe you could have come out to

954
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: a goal. The issue is, once again, we're kind of

955
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 1: forced into it because the attack that Israel was going

956
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: to go through with or without our support was going

957
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: to obviously incur some negative response from Iran, which was

958
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 1: going to be directed towards US troops.

959
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,760
Speaker 3: I think you can have regime change from the skies

960
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 3: The way you do it is that you pulverize the

961
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 3: regime enough that the Iranian people are confident to get

962
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 3: out into the street and take back their country. Remember,

963
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 3: this is actually what happened. This has happened multiple times before,

964
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 3: and even in the Cold War, where there was no

965
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 3: pulver rising out of the sky. The key issue was

966
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 3: to embolden the Czechs and the Romanians, the Bulgarians, the

967
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 3: Eastern Europeans to go tear it down the wall.

968
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 4: They didn't.

969
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 3: Why didn't they do that before? And what made them

970
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 3: confident to do it? What made them confident to do

971
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 3: it is they're like, we have an opportunity to actually

972
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 3: take back our own society now, I.

973
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: Think, can I push back on that? I am sure.

974
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 1: It was a ton of diplomatic pressure as well, though,

975
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 1: especially if you talk about, you know, the Berlin Wall.

976
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: You know, this is not something where the German people

977
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: were going up and attempting to tear it down. Maybe, yes,

978
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: once the order came out, an order which by the

979
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,280
Speaker 1: way was almost kind of poorly interpreted. You know, nobody

980
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: really knew what was going on, so Germans just kind

981
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: of started showing up at the border.

982
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 3: Well, I think it was Gorbachev ultimately deciding not to

983
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 3: use force, right because in the past, if you tried

984
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 3: to do if you tried to touch the wall, you

985
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 3: get shot. So the moment the German people realized no,

986
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 3: the Russians who have ultimately been maintaining this kind of power,

987
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 3: the absence of Russian willingness to use the power embolden

988
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 3: the people. And I guess what I'm saying is the

989
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 3: same is true in Iran. Once the Mullas are shown

990
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:15,240
Speaker 3: to be paper tigers, once the Mullas can't do anything

991
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 3: to you on the street, the people will go into

992
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 3: the street. I guess that's what I'm saying now. I'm wondering.

993
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 3: And the reason I'm pursuing this discussion, guys, only because

994
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 3: it seems to me really important for our side to

995
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 3: be able to kind of come together to take on

996
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 3: the left with the midterms coming on. And I think

997
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 3: that what this conversation is revealing is there actually is

998
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 3: a way to do that.

999
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 4: It's not that we disagree.

1000
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 3: I would even say that with Afghanistan and Iraq, the

1001
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 3: problem wasn't even the regime change, Like, for example, don't

1002
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 3: you think it was a good idea for us to

1003
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 3: go knock out the Taliban after nine to eleven, I mean,

1004
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 3: should we have left them in place? The problem was

1005
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 3: that the moment we did that, we began a lengthy, tedious,

1006
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 3: and fruitless occupation in which literally Americans are over there

1007
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 3: trying to run their tribal meetings, trying to organize their

1008
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 3: education system.

1009
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 4: I mean, I agree with you, this is absurd.

1010
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 3: The way to do regime change usually is, particularly in

1011
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 3: a far away country, is you get rid of the

1012
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 3: bad guy, and you find one of his rivals, the

1013
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 3: guy from the other tribe who hates him, and you

1014
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 3: tell that guy, listen, I'm going to put you in

1015
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 3: and all I'm asking you to do is be our

1016
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 3: friend and do business with us, and other than that,

1017
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 3: you run the country however you want. And so I'm

1018
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 3: looking for something similar to that, which I think is

1019
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 3: the Trumpian way. By the way, I don't think Trump

1020
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 3: is a reincarnation of Bush, and I think that may

1021
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 3: be the fear. I have confidence that Trump has learned

1022
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 3: the lessons of Iraq and Afghanistan, probably just as much

1023
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 3: as you and I have, and it's not going to

1024
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 3: do it that way.

1025
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: I think that the you know, the road to Hell's

1026
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: paid with good intentions. I think that while you're right,

1027
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: I don't think that that Trump is a bush, you know,

1028
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 1: two point zero, I don't, or I guess it would

1029
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: be three point oh, because we've already had, you know,

1030
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: two bushes in the office. Very different, of course, But

1031
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: I do think, you know, nobody ever wants to go

1032
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: into an endless war. I think that framing is kind

1033
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: of ridiculous. It's like, yeah, guys, I think we should

1034
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: go in and we should pursue an endless war, and

1035
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: it's like nobody wants to do that. But I do

1036
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: think that people are maybe ignorant of just how intentional

1037
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: every part of this has to be. And what I

1038
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: look at, especially concerning some of the recent statements made

1039
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: from the ADMIN, is that there just does not seem

1040
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: to be a clearly defined mission. And like I was

1041
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: describing before, there's a friction between these two things. There's

1042
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: a friction between the idea that, Okay, if we want

1043
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 1: regime change, the most effective way, the most efficient way

1044
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: of doing it is by putting boots on the ground.

1045
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: But there's a friction between you know, that idea and

1046
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: the will of the American people. Or what we see,

1047
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: which is that we do not want Americans dying in Iran,

1048
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: even if it's just to be sure that there is

1049
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: a transfer of power to a more democratically aligned regime

1050
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: or government. But then there's also the other side, which is, Okay, well,

1051
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: we can't you know, totally, you know, leave them, we

1052
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: can't just abandon the region. And so while I agree

1053
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: with you, I think there has to be something done.

1054
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: Negotiations have to occur. I also look back, like you

1055
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: just mentioned, to the case of Russia, where negotiation was possible,

1056
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: where you didn't have to, you know, kick Gorbachev out,

1057
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: where certainly pressures could exist that influenced his government in

1058
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: the right direction, with Peristroich and with whatnot. And understanding

1059
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: all of that, I think you also have to examine

1060
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: the element, like you mentioned before, of Islam. You have

1061
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: to realize that just because you see videos on x

1062
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: on your Twitter feed of protesters in the streets of Iran,

1063
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: there are just as many people in the United States

1064
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: who would happily cheer And who did you know during

1065
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: the No Kings protest for Trump being being deposed, he

1066
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: throned and if he was killed, I'm sure plenty of

1067
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: people here would cheer, but at the same time that

1068
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: would bring far more of them over to unite with

1069
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: a larger American cause. And I think many of the

1070
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: protesters now you even have them aligning with the i

1071
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: ran as a nation. I am very skeptical that our

1072
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: intervention is actually going to do more to encourage the

1073
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: revolutionary aspirations of the Iranian people. I think it's actually

1074
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: probably going to unite them against us in an unsavory way.

1075
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 3: The one thing I do worry about, and it is

1076
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Speaker 3: it does connect with what you've been saying, is the

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Speaker 3: fact that we do have a very avaricious defense industry

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Speaker 3: which produces a commodity called weapons, and it is a

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Speaker 3: you talk about the people who are kind of going

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Speaker 3: against the American people, I'm sort of less worried that

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Speaker 3: it's going to be Iranians who talk us into this.

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Speaker 3: I'm more worried about the fact that, and we see

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Speaker 3: this also in the domestic sphere, right, you have powerful

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Speaker 3: American people. But while you and I may give one

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Speaker 3: hundred dollars to our local congressman or senators. These are

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Speaker 3: people who can funnel millions, tens of millions of dollars,

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Speaker 3: and that is a problem. I think that is intrinsic

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Speaker 3: to our to our political system, the internal clash between

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Speaker 3: special interests on the one hand, and the and the

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Speaker 3: on the other. Well, Ky, listen, I want to thank

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Speaker 3: you for joining me. This has been a good discussion.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it, uh, and I wish you all the

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Speaker 3: best in your new position at College Republicans. Make sure

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Speaker 3: to our side.

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Speaker 4: And all the best to you always.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for having me to Nash. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Hey, I'm now on substack. It's kind of full circle

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Speaker 3: So I've been mainly known as an author and of

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Speaker 4: Here is the trailer.

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Speaker 7: Then another sign appeared in even an enormous Red Dragon

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Speaker 7: Revelation twelve to three.

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Speaker 8: Once again an armed attack in the Middle East.

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Speaker 4: But this time it's different.

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Speaker 9: October seventh was the Devil's Home.

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Speaker 8: It's very hard to believe what happened, even though I

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Speaker 8: was there and seeing with my own eyes and seeing

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Speaker 8: them laughing and killing and having fun with it.

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Speaker 3: Because if you don't open the door, they are going

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Speaker 3: to kill you and they are going to kill me.

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Speaker 4: So please open the door. So who are the Jews?

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Speaker 8: Who are the Palestinians? And whose land is it?

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Speaker 1: Really?

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Speaker 3: Could the fate of the world of humanity itself be

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Speaker 3: somehow tied to this place.

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Speaker 9: The nation of Israel is a resurrected nation, So what

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Speaker 9: if there was going to be a resurrection of another

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Speaker 9: people and enemy people of Israel. The Bible speaks about

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Speaker 9: this whole war as a dragon representing the enemy attacking

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Speaker 9: a woman representing Israel.

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Speaker 8: The civilian debts on both sides represent victories on the

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Speaker 8: part of the Dragon.

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Speaker 2: Master everything within their ability to maximize the civilian casualty.

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Speaker 3: We came back to a land that was largely barren

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Speaker 3: and empty, and we brought it back to life, and

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Speaker 3: we're good.

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Speaker 1: To keep it.

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Speaker 9: The devil hates the Jewish people because they represent the

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Speaker 9: existence of God.

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Speaker 8: Because without that Jewish foundation, there is no Christianity.

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Speaker 9: If we're approaching the end of time, God will reveal

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Speaker 9: himself more and more dramatically.

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Speaker 4: Speak back through the stones.

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Speaker 1: The story that they've been telling is that Israel is

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Speaker 1: a colonial project.

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Speaker 4: The problem with that is the city. David, we are

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Speaker 4: an inconvenient truth.

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Speaker 3: Are you aware of any significant archaeological finding that contradicts

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Speaker 3: the Bible?

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Speaker 7: Nope.

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Speaker 8: God's word stands firm. To God, the dragon will not prevail.

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Speaker 8: Your message here is become a dragon Slayer.

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Speaker 7: That's based on Jonathan Conn's number one international bestseller, The

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Speaker 7: Dragon's Prophecy. This film contains graphic violence of October seventh,