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Speaker 1: Welcome to Christian parent Crazy World, the podcast that tackles

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Speaker 1: tough topics to help you be a godly parent in

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Speaker 1: an ungodly world. I am your host, Catherine Seegers, and

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Speaker 1: in today's episode, we will tackle this vitally important question.

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Speaker 1: How do we handle the curveball seasons of life while

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Speaker 1: staying rooted in our faith and anchored in the truth

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Speaker 1: of who God really is? Yeah, that is a tall order.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about those moments when life doesn't just surprise us,

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Speaker 1: it unravels us. When the story we thought we were

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Speaker 1: living suddenly changes, when prayers feel more desperate, answers feel

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Speaker 1: more distant, and we find ourselves asking God, what are

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Speaker 1: you doing? You won't get through parenting or life without

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Speaker 1: walking through these seasons, seasons of loss, uncertainty, fear, or

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Speaker 1: deep disappointment. I know because I'm walking through one of

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Speaker 1: those seasons right now, and in those moments, what we

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Speaker 1: believe about God isn't theoretical, No, it's everything. My guest today,

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Speaker 1: doctor Aaron Barry, has been one of the steady voices

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Speaker 1: helping me anchor my heart in truth through some of

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Speaker 1: the hardest curveball seasons of my life. Over the past

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Speaker 1: five years. So today she's here to help us focus

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Speaker 1: on the biblical principles we must cling to when the

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Speaker 1: bottom seems to fall out. That's the plan for this

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Speaker 1: episode of Christian Parent Crazy. Well, so let's get started.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've all found ourselves in seasons where life

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Speaker 1: just not the wind right out of us, the kind

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Speaker 1: of season that doesn't just challenge you, it changes you.

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Speaker 1: When you're stretched beyond what you thought you could bear

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Speaker 1: and you find yourself questioning everything you thought you knew

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Speaker 1: about your plans, your future, your theology, and sometimes even

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Speaker 1: about God himself. So how do you survive those seasons,

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Speaker 1: and more importantly, how do you walk through them in

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Speaker 1: a way that strengthens your faith instead of slowly eroding it.

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Speaker 1: In today's episode and next week's, because this conversation was

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Speaker 1: too rich to contain in just one, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: do something a little bit different. I'm going to be

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Speaker 1: the guinea pig. My life is going to be the

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Speaker 1: raw material we use to uncover the primary things we

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Speaker 1: must do and focus on in order to survive and

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Speaker 1: hopefully even thrive in these curveball seasons of life. Because

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Speaker 1: the reality is these seasons force decisions. There are things

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Speaker 1: we can do that help anchor us, and things we

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Speaker 1: can do that will quietly pull us further into fear,

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Speaker 1: into despair and confusion. They're truths that we must keep

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Speaker 1: top of mind and lies we must refuse to dwell on.

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Speaker 1: My guest today has spent more than thirty years helping

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Speaker 1: people navigate exactly this kind of terrain, and she just

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Speaker 1: happens to be my very first guest on this podcast.

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Speaker 1: My dear friend, Doctor Aaron Barry Erin is an author,

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Speaker 1: a speaker, a counselor, and an educational consultant. She and

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Speaker 1: her husband Brett founded The Home Educated Mind, which is

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Speaker 1: a christ centered community dedicated to equipping and encouraging Christian parents.

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Speaker 1: She also holds a doctorate in clinical Christian Counseling and

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Speaker 1: is the author of Yes You Can Homeschool, The Terrified

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Speaker 1: Parents Companion to Homeschool Success. And while that title is

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Speaker 1: about homeschooling, I would say that Erin is the terrified

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Speaker 1: parent's companion through many of life's artists moments, especially these

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Speaker 1: curveball seasons. So today and next week, she's going to

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Speaker 1: use my story as a springboard to share the Biblical

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Speaker 1: principles we must hold on to when life turns upside down.

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Speaker 1: So that's it. Let's jump right in. Aaron, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Christian Parent Crazy World. Welcome back. I should say, it's

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Speaker 1: so awesome to have you back.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I was your first interview Yeah, I remember

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Speaker 2: I I made history on this podcast.

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Speaker 1: Yes, a little inside baseball here. I invited you on

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Speaker 1: the show first, not only because you're eminently qualified, which

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Speaker 1: just amazing gifting as a counselor. So you're eminently qualified

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Speaker 1: and you specialized. That topic we talked about was very

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Speaker 1: about what's happening in terms of sexuality in our culture

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Speaker 1: world is teaching, and what God's word teaching. Awesome series.

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Speaker 1: I definitely advise people to check it out if they didn't.

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Speaker 1: But the other reason why I invited you on was

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Speaker 1: I've had a few acquaintances on the show, but never

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Speaker 2: and uh yeah, it's been a really exciting journey. I

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Speaker 2: It's funny because there's so many different avenues a person

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Speaker 2: exciting because it's it was the right program. It's a

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Speaker 1: Ah, that is awesome. So tell us. I want people

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Speaker 1: But I just want to say I want to commend

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Speaker 1: gifted as a counselor. You just have that perfect balance

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Speaker 1: think you need some baron or doctor Barry. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: that I need. I need a good dose of Aaron,

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Speaker 1: and You've just always been there for me. I can't,

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Speaker 1: I truly, truly thank God for you. And I think

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Speaker 2: So the reason I said homeschooling is that I also

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Speaker 2: I'm a teacher and a counselor. And it's funny because

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Speaker 2: do still have some students or work with parents who

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Speaker 2: I would sometimes say to the parents, if you're okay

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Speaker 2: more nuanced. It's much more active listening, understanding the person.

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Speaker 2: And it's not I don't know how to say it,

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Speaker 2: but it's just not as cut and dry.

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Speaker 1: Holy Spirit to guide you with your counsel with the

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Speaker 2: have to rely on the Holy Spirit because people are

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Speaker 1: You are so good at that, doctor, Barry, you are

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Speaker 1: really You've helped me immensely over the years. And I

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Speaker 1: from situations I've gone through that will be applicable to

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Speaker 2: a hard time handling pain too, like the friends, right,

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Speaker 2: and we think we have to fix it, but the

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Speaker 2: reality is if we will sit and be quiet, listen,

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Speaker 2: it gives space. And that's actually more helpful because the

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Speaker 2: person has to the person that's hurting has to come

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Speaker 2: to terms with their pain. Number one. And then secondly,

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Speaker 2: when a tragedy happens or when a crisis happens, even

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Speaker 2: if it is the five days of your child with

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Speaker 2: an ear infection or whatever. When you're down like that,

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Speaker 2: you don't remember often what the person says. You remember

439
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Speaker 2: that they were there. It's the gift of presence. And

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Speaker 2: you know, my husband's a singer songwriter, and that's what

441
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Speaker 2: he does. He nurtures the presence of God. Right, that's

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Speaker 2: what he does too, And that's what worship really, if

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Speaker 2: we're doing worship music does, it allows us to sit

444
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Speaker 2: in the presence of God. It calms, it's calming, it's healing,

445
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Speaker 2: it's honest, it provides all those pieces. And so in

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Speaker 2: a way, we offer our presence. And so the first

447
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Speaker 2: thing that you want to do is offer presents. And

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Speaker 2: then in that listening, you can hear what is the

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Speaker 2: pain point? What is the loss for the person? Right,

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Speaker 2: Because we all have our different ideas, so we come

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Speaker 2: in and we think, oh, if this happened, here's the

452
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Speaker 2: here's the pain point. But it's actually very fascinating when

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Speaker 2: you sit and listen to a person and you hear

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Speaker 2: what is their pain point, what's it connected to? And

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Speaker 2: then I think you're you're more helpful, obviously, And then

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Speaker 2: another piece, you know, I think there's a time obviously too,

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Speaker 2: we want to move forward. That's we go through the process.

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Speaker 2: But your timetable is your timetable. And sometimes I'll have

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Speaker 2: people come to me and I'll and and I'll say,

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Speaker 2: you need a counselor. And here's why you need counselor

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Speaker 2: who can sit and listen and process these things as

462
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Speaker 2: long as it takes, so that your friends can be

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Speaker 2: your friends, family can be your family. Because if you're

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Speaker 2: needing to go through this, unless you have a good

465
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Speaker 2: friend that you can, you know, turn down and they

466
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Speaker 2: and do this. But that way, your friends can be

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Speaker 2: your friends, your family can be your family, and you're

468
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Speaker 2: not overburdening them with what you're going through. Because most

469
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Speaker 2: people to be a friend is to be one way.

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Speaker 2: And then if if the pains takes the precedent in

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Speaker 2: the relationship and it hurts the relationship, yeah, and you're

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Speaker 2: putting too much pressure on them. If you have somebody

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Speaker 2: that you can go to, the people that can handle

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Speaker 2: your pain, then your friend can be your friend and

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Speaker 2: you get the benefit of that. Your family can be

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Speaker 2: your family, your your husband can be your husband's spells

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Speaker 2: to be your spells. So that's another thing, is that

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Speaker 2: I just see a point in letting people take the

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Speaker 2: time they need. It's not loss and hurt and these

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Speaker 2: shocks and these changes they're big, and we don't want

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Speaker 2: to want to We want you to be happy, you know,

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Speaker 2: what I mean, Yes, and that's not real. That's not real.

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Speaker 2: So I guess that's principal number one.

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Speaker 1: It's so good. I want to dig into a couple

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Speaker 1: of these aspects because I love you. Brought that full circle.

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Speaker 1: On the one hand, when you go to those friends

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Speaker 1: and family members, and a lot of times we do,

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Speaker 1: and they they're not really equipped or qualified, and they

489
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Speaker 1: want to get us, they want to rush us through

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Speaker 1: the pain process. They they're not really just sitting there

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Speaker 1: in the grief, in the in the pain. They're trying

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Speaker 1: to distract you or direct you towards things that are

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Speaker 1: more painful than what you're going through. And what that

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Speaker 1: inadvertently does is it delegitimizes your pain. Yeah, you're sitting there.

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Speaker 1: I don't have the right. I don't have And if

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Speaker 1: you stuff it down and you don't process it and

497
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Speaker 1: you don't deal with it in a healthy way, it festers,

498
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Speaker 1: it becomes a wound. Ye And believe me, I have

499
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Speaker 1: done that before and it doesn't end well. It led

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Speaker 1: to seventeen years of depression and just some relationship wounds

501
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Speaker 1: that I didn't deal with properly, led to a lot

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Speaker 1: of medication, which you know, just in a lot of

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Speaker 1: praise God, I got healed from all of that, and

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Speaker 1: the relationship got healed. But if you don't deal with it,

505
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Speaker 1: if you stuff it down, or people are telling you

506
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Speaker 1: this isn't legitimate because of some and that's a lot

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Speaker 1: of times what friends and family will do because they

508
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Speaker 1: don't know how to process your pain. Now, you may

509
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Speaker 1: have a few friends that are really gifted and qualified

510
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Speaker 1: and aren't fatigued by that. Thank you, doctor Aaron Berry

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Speaker 1: for being that in lie and by the way, shout

512
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Speaker 1: out you. You've given me like I can remember one

513
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Speaker 1: of these instances, one of these years you were like

514
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Speaker 1: and it involved just you know, we were in a

515
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Speaker 1: difficult financial situation and you just gifted me, You just

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Speaker 1: gifted me like months of freak counseling. And so I

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Speaker 1: totally agree with you that that lifeline turning to someone

518
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Speaker 1: who is a counselor will enable you to keep your

519
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Speaker 1: friendships as your friendships your family members and not burden

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Speaker 1: them necessarily with things that they aren't particularly gifted or

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Speaker 1: qualified to do. That being said, that being said, when

522
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Speaker 1: we are on the receiving end and someone does come

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Speaker 1: to us, let's try to be like job's friends, Let's

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Speaker 1: try to be like Jesus before the resurrection. Let's try

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Speaker 1: to sit and listen and not delegitimize someone's pain and

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Speaker 1: not rush them through the season that they need to

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Speaker 1: be and to different personalities. I'm very passionate, I'm very analytical,

528
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Speaker 1: I'm very artistic. So maybe my season's deeper and longer

529
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Speaker 1: for something that someone might say, well, that was minor

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Speaker 1: or not as big as so and so, and that

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Speaker 1: that happened sometimes and it's so hurtful.

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Speaker 2: Now, it's hurtful.

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Speaker 1: It damages relationships, it damages the person. Because God created

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Speaker 1: each of us differently, some of us may bounce back.

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Speaker 1: And I can remember one woman who went through a

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Speaker 1: miscarriage not long after I went through mine, and I

537
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Speaker 1: remember how our pastor at the time just commended her

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Speaker 1: for how well she overcame it and bounced back and

539
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Speaker 1: didn't you know, weep long, And I'm like, that wasn't

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Speaker 1: my reaction. That's not how I went through it. Mine

541
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Speaker 1: was very different. But you know what it did. It

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Speaker 1: mobilized me and taught me a lot of steps to overcoming.

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Speaker 1: And because it was so deep and so there was

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Speaker 1: so much passion involved, and there was righteous indignation involved,

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Speaker 1: and that wasn't illegitimate somehow because so and so overcame

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Speaker 1: it and just moved on so quickly. Different different callings,

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Speaker 1: different personalities, different it's one way is not right and

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Speaker 1: the other way is not wrong.

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Speaker 2: Right, And actually, if I can, that's a really important point,

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Speaker 2: especially in a marriage when when they both the spouses

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Speaker 2: are let's say they're dealing with a prodigal child or

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Speaker 2: a death or a change, they're going to process differently.

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Speaker 2: And so what you just said, right there was a

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Speaker 2: we can't compare it to other people and say this

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Speaker 2: is good and this is bad number one and number two.

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Speaker 2: You process it differently. And sometimes that's where a marriage,

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Speaker 2: why we see a marriage fall apart when a crisis hits,

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Speaker 2: because the two process the pain differently and aren't well,

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Speaker 2: they aren't able. But they also don't give the grace

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Speaker 2: for the other.

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Speaker 1: They judge the other person for not for process of

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Speaker 1: singing it the way they do.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's big, exactly, yeah, wow, And so that's a

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Speaker 2: that's a really important piece. And I just want to

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Speaker 2: correct and say you're absolutely right, you don't need a

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Speaker 2: counselor I'm just saying that sometimes family and friends can't

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Speaker 2: handle pain, so that's a place for it. But if

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Speaker 2: you can do it in your relationships. But yeah, but

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Speaker 2: you in a marriage, that's a big deal because you'll

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Speaker 2: see a lot of marriages break up after a crisis

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Speaker 2: and they really need to give the other grace and

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Speaker 2: they need to recognize, Okay, this is that person grieving,

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Speaker 2: this is how they grieve, and this is what they

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Speaker 2: have to go through to come to acceptance. And so

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Speaker 2: you just have to sit back and let them. You know,

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Speaker 2: obviously you don't want to spin in that, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean, like, but but you want to give

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Speaker 2: them that grace to process the way they need to process. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I love that, Aaron. This is this is gold like

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Speaker 1: these are so many golden nuggets. This is this sort

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Speaker 1: of stuff that you helped me with so often when

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Speaker 1: I come licking my wounds of life circumstances, and honestly,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be real honest. Other times when I've tried

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Speaker 1: to get, you know, to unload the burden or share

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Speaker 1: the burden with other people that just just couldn't help

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Speaker 1: me with that, and perhaps at times even judged me

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Speaker 1: for the way that I had to process this loss

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Speaker 1: and the way I articulated it. And you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna come around I want to We're gonna come to

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Speaker 1: this in a little bit. But one thing you talked

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Speaker 1: about before we get on to the principles you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: of course, your your amazing husband, who is a worship

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Speaker 1: minister in you know, as we would sit in the

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Speaker 1: presence of another person who's hurting, or someone might sit

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Speaker 1: in the present our presence as we're hurting, as Jesus

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Speaker 1: did with those who are morning with Lazarus, as Job's

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Speaker 1: friends did before they got a little critical. But when

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Speaker 1: we sit in the presence of God and worship, wow. Wow.

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Speaker 1: The one thing I circled in my notes to talk

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Speaker 1: about today was that very thing. I asked the Lord

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Speaker 1: for some strategy and this this challenging season I'm in,

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Speaker 1: and the one thing he told me to do, the

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Speaker 1: one thing was get on your knees and worship before

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Speaker 1: me every day. And I'll be honest, you know, I

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Speaker 1: try to be in the Word every day and certainly

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Speaker 1: in an intercession and prayer every day. Worship is one

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Speaker 1: area where I've fallen short. You know, I'm just busy.

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Speaker 1: I don't have time. Let me get in the word,

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Speaker 1: get it, you know, check everything off. And the worship

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Speaker 1: is like worship me on Monday better than you do

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Speaker 1: on Sunday, better with the band than you have with

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Speaker 1: the whole worship ensemble or the choir. Wherever you go

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Speaker 1: to church, worship me on Monday and Tuesday and Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: or in your car, but really takes some time in

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Speaker 1: the morning and worship me. And let me tell you that,

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Speaker 1: more than anything else, is helping me through this challenging season,

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Speaker 1: because when I'm in his presence, all of this other

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Speaker 1: stuff seems to lift. All of this other stuff gets

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Speaker 1: positioned in the right perspective. I find myself strengthened, I

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Speaker 1: find myself enabled. I found myself able to overcome these

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Speaker 1: circumstances and go throughout my day. But just I'm going

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Speaker 1: to bookend it with that, because that worship is the

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Speaker 1: key when we can be and his, whatever the challenging

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Speaker 1: season we're going through, is going to get the right

643
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Speaker 1: perspective because He is actually able without judging, without delegitimizing.

644
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: He is able to comfort and provide hope and strategy

645
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: and encouragement for getting through your difficult season. And we

646
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: don't get there that anywhere else. Even as great a

647
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: counselor as you are, Doctor Aaron Barry, you will admit

648
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: that you're not quite that good. You're up there, but

649
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: you're no one can do that like the Holy Spirit

650
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: can do that for us. So anyways, any thoughts you

651
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 1: have on that, And then I want to let's talk

652
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: about some of the basic principles we should identify or

653
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 1: realize when we're going through a challenging season.

654
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I want to say, yeah, I agree one

655
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 2: hundred percent that the presence of God because it reminds

656
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 2: us of his character, who he is, and it's stabilizing,

657
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 2: right because he's the same yesterday, day, today and forever.

658
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: And when we worship God to the power and the

659
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 2: size and the ability of Him, it takes it makes

660
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 2: it puts our problems in the right perspective that they're

661
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 2: under his jurisdiction and that they don't they don't shake him,

662
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 2: they don't knock him off in any way. And it's

663
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 2: just it grounds you and settles you. And I think

664
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: also it helps you then to get to the what

665
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 2: really matters, because much of our life we're seeking so

666
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 2: many things, but then when something happens, it shakes and

667
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 2: we either rewrote, like restabilizing the Lord, or we try

668
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 2: to find the fulfillment elsewhere. So yeah, I just the

669
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 2: presence of God and then out of that usually you

670
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 2: just get the peace that passes understanding. So, and I

671
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: just want to clarify worship. Often we use music, we

672
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: use the words of songs right to lead us there.

673
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 2: But worship is anytime that we just confess how great

674
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: and mighty and powerful God is. We can use this scripture,

675
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 2: we can use those words.

676
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, amen, I really believe in that. Awesome. Awesome, that's awesome.

677
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: So you had some principles of things that we could

678
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: go through when we're handling we're trying to handle a

679
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: situation like this, So what are some of those things

680
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: that we need to recognize and identify as we're going

681
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: through a challenging season.

682
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 2: Okay, so first of all, after you so you sit

683
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: in your pain for a little bit in the show. Yes,

684
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 2: then as you process through, one of the really big

685
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 2: things is what is true Because a lot of times

686
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 2: when things are upset, we actually aren't necessarily living in

687
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: the moment. It's kind of like this is shaken. But

688
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 2: then what does that mean is that this is going

689
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 2: to happen, and this is going to happen and we.

690
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: That I did that, like last night, like my mine

691
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: went down this rabbit trail because this happened. That means

692
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: this could happen next month, and that could happen the

693
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: month after, and this could this could be you know,

694
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: in your mind. And some people are a lot worse

695
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: about this than other people. I would be one on

696
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 1: the worst scale of that. I mean, like like I

697
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 1: am really bad about that. I'm so glad you pointed

698
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: that out, because your mind wants to go down some

699
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: sort of a demonically inspired rabbit trail, and we need

700
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: to stop that, right with the truth.

701
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 2: Well, and so there's a couple of principles with it.

702
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 2: This is number one, what is true? And what where

703
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 2: are we now? What's what's the real in this moment?

704
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 2: And what do we know that's real in this moment?

705
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: Because so often the Lord says, like he says, give

706
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 2: us this day our daily bread.

707
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: Yes, or or.

708
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 2: Don't worry about tomorrow. I love how today has enough

709
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: trouble of its own.

710
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: I mean, thank you for adding that.

711
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: But you know, so what is true? Okay? The truth

712
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: is this has happened. Has this happened? No will is

713
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 2: it destined to happen? No? You have no idea, and

714
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 2: I think you know your recent situation with Brian is

715
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: so beautiful with that, you know the job ended. Well,

716
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 2: you could have thought we'll be unemployed, we're going to

717
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: be on the street whatever, whatever, Right that wasn't true.

718
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 2: God had something for you right around the corner.

719
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: Yes, you know.

720
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 2: And many times it's not true. The things that we

721
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 2: fear are not true. And I think the enemy loves

722
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 2: He lives there. He lived in the what if and

723
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 2: how catastrophic it can be. Yes, But God lives in

724
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: the present, and he promises what we need for that day,

725
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 2: and if we stay there will be the honist and

726
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: then we'll take that next step and that next step.

727
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: So a lot of times it's just is that true?

728
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: What is true? And that can also include like what's

729
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: true that really happened? And what is true about God?

730
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 2: And who is our God? And is that the true God? Right?

731
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: Because all of a sudden it's a God that's mean

732
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 2: or it's a God that we can't count on and

733
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 2: that's not the word. So that's part of it as

734
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 2: well as what am I saying? Who God is and

735
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: who is God really? And then if we ground ourselves

736
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: in that then we can face that next day. So

737
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 2: I think that's really really important to always pull our

738
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 2: minds back to what is true, what is true about circumstance,

739
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: what's true about God?

740
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: So what do you do in those circumstances are like

741
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: say an accident and there's just a premature loss of

742
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: a life or a devastating fatal diagnosis because we look

743
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: at that and we're like, well, God's all powerful, yeah,

744
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: and yet he's all good. How could he allow that

745
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: horrible thing to happen, like to my friend Jen Eichenhorst

746
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: who made that tragic left turn and took the life

747
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: of an innocent man. Or you know, dear friends, that

748
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: we have some friends that just got and that praise God.

749
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: They're they're very positive and believing God to work in

750
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: this situation and have a miracle. But they've got. You

751
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: know what, by earthly standards, is a fatal diagnosis. It's

752
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: a situation that you don't recover from. So I know

753
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: God is good, but I think sometimes we have a

754
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: false perception of God that his goodness requires everything to

755
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: be smooth sailing in my life and that means no,

756
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: no bad things will happen to me and we forget,

757
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: we forget, we don't look. I mean, there were Christians

758
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: that were fed to the lions. All of the disciples

759
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: except one died a brutal, you know death. They were martyrs.

760
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: Is that because we have some Americanized version of the

761
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: Gospel and therefore God and some sort of prosperity gospel

762
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: as seeped in? Why do we equate? And I tend

763
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: to do this too. That Well, God's goodness means that

764
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get a bad diagnosis. God's goodness

765
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 1: means I'm not going to lose a job. God's goodness

766
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: means that there won't be any accidents or horrific things

767
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: to happen in my life, or floods that happen like

768
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: happened down in Texas. And we've dealt with the big

769
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: macro issue theologically on this show, and I would ask

770
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: people to go back to a show I did with

771
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 1: doctor Douglas grow Tye where we talked about how can

772
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: a good God allow so much evil and suffering in

773
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: the world. Okay, so we've dealt with the macro and

774
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: how that gets there, and I would definitely refer people

775
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: to that, But how do you deal with the micro

776
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: when it happens in your end individual life, which, by

777
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: the way, doctor grotys his wife was diagnosed in her

778
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: I want to say, fifties or early sixties, very very young,

779
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: with early on set Alzheimer's and died or dementia. She

780
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: died of. Really, she was a mensa, a member, She

781
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: was brilliant, she was a certified genius and lost her

782
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: ability to communicate and pick up a fork and feed herself.

783
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: I mean, so we dealt with the macro issue, but

784
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: as a counselor on the micro issue, how do we

785
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: deal with so? I know, according to scripture, God is

786
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: good and by the way, okay, one of the things

787
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: the Lord reminded me of he told him to set

788
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: up stones of remembrance in the Old Testament. Why did

789
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 1: he do that? Not because life was going to be easy,

790
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: but because when the giants came, when the enemy came,

791
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: when the hard time struck, we need to have these

792
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: stones to remind us. Now, this is who God is.

793
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: So if he allowed something, because he's all powerful, it

794
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 1: didn't escape his notice. He didn't cause it. I don't

795
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 1: believe he causes premature death or illness or anything like that.

796
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: Didn't cause it, but he allowed it. Therefore, I have

797
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: to go back to these stones of remembrance and to

798
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 1: what the word of God says.

799
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 2: He is.

800
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: He is good despite the diagnosis. He is good despite

801
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: the tragedy that occurred from the left turn. He is

802
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: good despite my circumstances. That is where our faith really

803
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: gets some muscles on it, because we have to believe

804
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: something that the enemy will say is negated by our circumstances,

805
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: but it isn't. Because God caused his own son to

806
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 1: die on a cross, that death saved us all. The

807
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: greatest human tragedy in all of human history was the

808
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: death of an innocent man who is God incarnate. Therefore,

809
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: God causes life to come from death, good to come

810
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: from bad. What the enemy meant for evil, God will

811
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: turn for good. But it doesn't mean we don't encounter evil.

812
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 5: But God is still good, right, Yeah.

813
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 2: And it is really hard for us as humans to

814
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: hold in our hands what we see in the goodness

815
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 2: of God because we judge it a certain way. But

816
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 2: I know you've dealt with this. It has to do

817
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: with sin. It has to do with what we think

818
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 2: we're promised and what we're really promised, yes, and then

819
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 2: the purpose of this life. And I would be lying

820
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,720
Speaker 2: if I said, oh, I get this right, right, because

821
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 2: we all have expectations. We all have things in our

822
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 2: life we get used to and then when they're taken,

823
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 2: it's really painful. I remember there's that song you give

824
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 2: and take away. You remember that, And I remember a

825
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,439
Speaker 2: pastor saying, we're not going to sing that song because

826
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 2: it's not true. It's actually based it's based on scripture

827
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 2: from Job. Yes, it's true, and there's this idea and

828
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 2: we all live there. There's this idea eternities in our hearts.

829
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 2: So we think things will last forever, and when they don't,

830
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 2: it's just painful. And the reality is there are some

831
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:30,760
Speaker 2: great losses in this life. They're just and they don't

832
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 2: make sense, and they're painful to walk through, except that

833
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 2: our hope is beyond this world and our fullness is

834
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 2: the promise of heaven. And I think the more that

835
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 2: you experience laws, the more that you see, Okay, this

836
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:52,479
Speaker 2: world doesn't give as much as I thought it did.

837
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,720
Speaker 2: It Really the fullness really is in Christ. It really

838
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 2: is an eternity. And so yeah, you have to just

839
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 2: you have to walk through things as well and find

840
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 2: a new like a new reality so to speak. You know,

841
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: the terms of your life are different after that loss.

842
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 2: And the goodness is that God is still good and

843
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 2: you can still experience wonderful things even with that loss,

844
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 2: you know, And talking about this, I think one of

845
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:31,479
Speaker 2: the more difficult things for me was when my son

846
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 2: was diagnosed with type one diabetes. He was fourteen, and

847
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 2: we had no history of that in our family that

848
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 2: we knew of. It came out of nowhere. It was

849
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: just it was just a shock. I remember, like I

850
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 2: was just in shock and such a loss. And when

851
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 2: I look back at that, and obviously I still I

852
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 2: wish he didn't have it. I still pray for his healing,

853
00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 2: but I see just depth of depth in him. He's

854
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 2: a just his kindness, his compassion. I understand other people

855
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 2: suffering better because I have. I've gone through that and

856
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 2: that's a reality. It's a present reality, but it's still

857
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 2: but like it's still good. I still have my son.

858
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 2: I see the warmth and the compassion and the kindness

859
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 2: in him, and I'm grateful for every day. Yes, you know,

860
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 2: And I saw God reach to him and really deal

861
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 2: with his loss, like really be true to him. So

862
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 2: it's a reality of life. And I think we don't

863
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 2: want to sugarcoat it, but I think the point is

864
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 2: that the goodness of God, it goes on. It's just different,

865
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,919
Speaker 2: different than we expected. And that's hard.

866
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, it is. And I think a lot

867
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: of I think a lot of people if the early

868
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: church could kind of see us in our western air

869
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 1: conditioned churches and homes with you know, our big you know,

870
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: offerings and ministry funds and coffee shops and all the

871
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 1: stuff we have in Western culture and society and in

872
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: the church, I think they would be like, what the heck,

873
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: what's wrong with you people? You guys are go ahead

874
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 1: for you.

875
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 2: You've brought up a good point too. We live. We

876
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 2: are so prosperous.

877
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: We are.

878
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 2: We are so prosperous, even if you're on the lower side.

879
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: Whatever, right, so.

880
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 2: Much and we and death is foreign yeah to us.

881
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 2: And you know what I mean, boss, is foreign.

882
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: Were just expect. It's expected. We expect to live, you know,

883
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,919
Speaker 1: seventy eighty eighty five years something like that. That's the expectation.

884
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 1: So when something less that was not the expectation through

885
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: much of humanistry, either by persecution through your faith or

886
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 1: you know, obviously all the health challenges. How many children,

887
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: what was the norm with you know, oh, my gosh,

888
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: I don't have in front of me, but you know,

889
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,720
Speaker 1: women in childbirth, so many women, so many children died

890
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: in childbirth. So many women died in childbirth. We live

891
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: in an unprecedented time with unprecedented human flourishing and thriving,

892
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: and we do take that for granted. We have a

893
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: very very short sighted view, and particularly given where we

894
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: live in the West, those of us who do live

895
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: in the West, you know, western part of the world.

896
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: I do have some international listeners, I'm sure, but you know,

897
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: it just it is we we our perspective is really

898
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: short sighted. Here's what I want to do. We're wrapping

899
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: up on this time, but we are nowhere near done

900
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: with this topic. Like not near done. I wanted to

901
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: I had a couple of thoughts I wanted to point

902
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 1: out and give you the final word and then let's

903
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,399
Speaker 1: continue with the principles that we need to go in

904
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: a subsequent episode. But one thing you were talking about

905
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 1: your diagnosis with your son and just just the loss,

906
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:08,240
Speaker 1: the fear, gosh, the fear as a mother knowing this,

907
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: you know type one diabetes, how dangerous that can be.

908
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: There are circumstances that we go through in life and

909
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, God can heal this, Clearly he can.

910
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: Why hasn't that happened. I just recently had an episode

911
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: with a woman named Jamie Hampton. She's a fellow Life

912
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: audio podcaster, and we were talking about Watchman Mee and

913
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: there's this amazing situation where he was younger, he had tuberculosis,

914
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: prayed and God miraculously healed him. He had another heart ailment.

915
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,919
Speaker 1: I forget the name of it, Pictoris something or other

916
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: caused I think a weakening of the heart and a

917
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: lot of pain, very serious ailment. Prayed for it. God

918
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: did not heal him, and he was kind of lamenting that.

919
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: It was like, well, clearly you can. I mean, you

920
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 1: healed this, but not that. Wait, what's going on there?

921
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: And he was looking out at sea and he saw

922
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: a rocky area where some ships were nearby, and the

923
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: Lord spoke to his heart. He said, sometimes I remove

924
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 1: the rocks, but sometimes I raise the water. So in

925
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: our lives, we all want him to remove the rocks. Lord,

926
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 1: remove the rock, take the rocks and I'm the same

927
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,479
Speaker 1: way we all are. We want to remove the rocks, yeah,

928
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: we do, but sometimes he raises the water so that

929
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: we can scale above. The rocks don't go away, They're

930
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: still there. But it's in the secret place, it's in

931
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: the worship place, it's in digging in his word and

932
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 1: staying true to the disciplines and some of the other

933
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: things I want to talk about in the next episode.

934
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: That he helps to raise the water because he doesn't

935
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: always remove the rocks. And as much as I want

936
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: him to, and as much as certain aspects of prosperity,

937
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: Gospel or whatever, some preachers will say, no, you don't

938
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: have enough faith that he didn't remove the rocks. He

939
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 1: didn't remove the rocks from his own disciples, he didn't

940
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: remove the rock from Jesus. He had to have that

941
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: agonizing moment in the garden, if there will be any

942
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: other way, if you can remove this rock, in other words,

943
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:14,399
Speaker 1: please remove this rock. Nevertheless, not my will, but fine,

944
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: And we all have to come to that place. And

945
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: one of the things that came to mind when you

946
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: were talking earlier about that obstacle with Brett, my children

947
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: went on an amazing missions trip this summer to Asia,

948
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: where their eyes were open to a part of Christianity

949
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: that is exploding. It's just exploding in the part of

950
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: the world that they went to. I can't even mention it.

951
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: It's so dangerous to be a Christian in that area

952
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: of the world. But they went there on this missions

953
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: trip and the Lord moved mightily. But a large part

954
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: of the reason I was when they told me they

955
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: wanted to go on this missions trip. The price tag

956
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: on it was seven thousand dollars between the two of them,

957
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: and I don't you know, my husband right after that

958
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 1: he lost his job, and I'm like, I don't have

959
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars to send these kids on. But I'm like, okay.

960
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: They encouraged us, our pastors encouraged us just to have

961
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: faith to believe. So we started to raise the money

962
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: and we sent out a letter and this woman wanted

963
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: to meet with us. She was a friend of my

964
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: mother in law, and her name is Melanie Avril, and

965
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: she had a daughter named Ashley Avril, who I think

966
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: it's been about two decades ago, contracted cancer. She was

967
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: like fourteen years old and tragically died. God did not

968
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: remove the rock, and she told her mother. She said, look,

969
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to use my name for cancer research

970
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: and other stuff like that. I want you to do

971
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: something Kingdom oriented in my name. She started the Ashley

972
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: Avril Foundation. And what they do is they help children,

973
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: They help young people go on missions trips, and so

974
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: for the past twenty years, in the name of Ashley Averril,

975
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: this young girl who at the age of fourteen, her

976
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: life was tragically cut short. In her name, children have

977
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: gone all over the world and ministered in the Gospel,

978
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: and they gave us. They didn't pay for the whole trip,

979
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: but they gave a significant a significant sum to each

980
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: of the kids. And as a result, I have a

981
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: son now who's very, very interested in ministry and going

982
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: into seminary. I have a daughter who is seriously considering

983
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: medical missions. Not only did we raise, by the way,

984
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: enough money to send them on that trip, we had

985
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: so much leftover we sent my daughter on a second

986
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: trip to Mexico this summer because I was like, well,

987
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: the money keeps coming in, and I look at that

988
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: as being one of those situations the enemy certainly meant harm.

989
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: But God turned around and look at all the life

990
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: that has come out of it talk about, you know,

991
00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: just such a tragic situation. But God is determined to

992
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: do good in those tragic situations in our life. He's

993
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: still good and Ashley is with him and she will

994
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: be reconciled with her family forever. And in her name,

995
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: seeds have been planted in a generation of young people

996
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: that otherwise might not have had those opportunities. So speaking

997
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: to that in our closing moments here, how God brings

998
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: good out of these these challenging situations in our lives.

999
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think the beauty of that too is

1000
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 2: we look at our own lives and we think I

1001
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 2: should I'm not doing anything, or what have I produced?

1002
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 2: Or you know, we tend to be very shortsighted. But Ashley,

1003
01:00:54,640 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 2: for example, she doesn't know cognitively on earth, you know, heaven,

1004
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 2: but she doesn't know what the legacy of her life

1005
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 2: has produced. And likewise, we don't know. We don't know,

1006
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 2: We don't know when we make a difference in another

1007
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 2: person's life and how. And so I think the whole thing, too,

1008
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 2: is just pulling back and recognizing God is writing his

1009
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 2: story that we are a part of, and nothing we

1010
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 2: do that we do in him is in vain, and

1011
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 2: it keeps giving and giving, and many times we don't

1012
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 2: get to see the fruit of our life. But if

1013
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 2: we are living for him, our life is producing that fruit.

1014
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 1: It just is.

1015
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 2: And our tragedies in our when we suffer. And like

1016
01:01:55,560 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 2: I said, the one thing I understand because of when

1017
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 2: what I went through, I wouldn't understand if I hadn't.

1018
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 2: So hopefully I've been kind and helpful to others because

1019
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 2: of that, and so that would be my thing is

1020
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 2: just pulld back, try to ask God to show you

1021
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 2: from his perspective what he's doing too, and rest in that.

1022
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 2: And if you don't know this side, you will know

1023
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 2: the next side.

1024
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: Amen. Amen, I think you and I probably well, I

1025
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 1: won't speak for you. I would probably be a very

1026
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: proud homeschool and mama with all of my ducks in

1027
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: a row, with all of my perfectly godly little kids,

1028
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: if God hadn't allowed me a taste of what it's

1029
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: like to go through a prodigal journey with a child,

1030
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: as if I could accomplish that, as if it's not

1031
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 1: God who reaches into the lives of our kids, and yes,

1032
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 1: some of them, I'm not having that expectation that they're

1033
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: going to go through that. I'm going to do everything

1034
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: within my power. I'm going to I'm going to be

1035
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: the godly parent that He's called me to be. But

1036
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: the results are out of my hands.

1037
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 2: And that's all you've got control over.

1038
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: Right, That's it, right, And that's all we have control

1039
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 1: over in these challenging seasons. Is okay? How am I

1040
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: going to respond to this? And so much of the

1041
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 1: fruit of I think what God wants to do in

1042
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 1: our challenging situation happens when you know, we can get bitter,

1043
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: we can get angry, we can say God, you cause

1044
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 1: this curse God? Like didn't Job's wife tell him to

1045
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: curse God?

1046
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 2: Just?

1047
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 1: And well? We may have some that voice in our

1048
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: head or some friends that tell us, well, this is

1049
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: just proof that your God isn't real. No, you got

1050
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: to read the book. Read the book. Job is in

1051
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: there for a reason, all of us. Look at the suffering,

1052
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 1: the suffering and the Old Testament and the New Look

1053
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: what Joseph went through. Look at all of this and

1054
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 1: what all of the New Testament disciples went through. Look

1055
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: at it. We're not promised and a life of ease.

1056
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 1: And I did a whole episode. It just actually came

1057
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: out this week, the week that I'm recording this episode.

1058
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: But it's on finding hope in that valley, what the

1059
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 1: purpose is in our pain, and it's the fruit that

1060
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 1: God is doing in a season that he can't produce

1061
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: this kind of quality, deep rich fruit in any other

1062
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 1: soil than soil that may be just laced with suffering

1063
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 1: soil that has so many challenges and rocks involved. But

1064
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 1: that is the soil that causes the roots to go

1065
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 1: down deep and produce the greatest fruit, the fruit of

1066
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: the spirit in our lives. And so thank you for

1067
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 1: helping us to get there erin, and we're going to

1068
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: continue this conversation because there's some other things I want

1069
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: to talk about, you know, finding groups that we can

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Speaker 1: be in and all of the other stuff that we

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Speaker 1: can talk about how to handle these difficult situations, because

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Speaker 1: there's so much more wisdom that you have to share.

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Speaker 1: But tell us where our listeners where they can learn

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Speaker 1: more about you and what you do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I have a website with my husband. It's

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Speaker 2: been Separablelives dot com and just reach out there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, great, Well I will put all of that

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Speaker 1: information in.

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Speaker 2: The show notes.

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Speaker 1: You guys, trust me. There is so much more that

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Speaker 1: we are going to unpack on how to deal with

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Speaker 1: these plot twists challenging seasons in life. This has been

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Speaker 1: so amazing, so rich, so encouraging to me and the

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Speaker 1: challenging season that we're in right now. Thank you so much, Aarin.

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Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough.

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Speaker 2: You Vett, thank you Catherine.

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Speaker 1: I love the principles that Aaron shared with us today,

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Speaker 1: because when life goes haywire, we don't just need inspiration,

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Speaker 1: we need handles. We need something solid to grab onto.

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Speaker 1: So let's recap some of these very practical steps that

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Speaker 1: you can begin taking today. First off, find your safe circle.

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Speaker 1: If I one or two trusted people like a counselor

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Speaker 1: a wise friend, somebody spiritually mature who can hold your shock,

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Speaker 1: your grief and your questions. This will protect your heart

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Speaker 1: and it also protects your other relationships. Not everyone is

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Speaker 1: equipped to carry the kind of weight that you may

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Speaker 1: be carrying right now, and that's okay. Jesus had his

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Speaker 1: inner circle and you need yours. So look for people

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Speaker 1: who will listen well, who won't judge you, and who

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Speaker 1: won't rush to fix what only God can heal. Second,

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Speaker 1: give yourself permission to grieve your loss. Yes, it's true

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Speaker 1: that someone somewhere has it worse, but that doesn't invalidate

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Speaker 1: your pain. Your loss is real, your disappointment matters. And remember,

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Speaker 1: healing is not a competition, it's a process. Third, honor

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Speaker 1: your don't let anyone rush you, but don't give up either.

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Speaker 1: Grief is something you walk through, not something you camp

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Speaker 1: in forever. So take that next small step forward and

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Speaker 1: trust that God is going to meet you there. Fourth,

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Speaker 1: extend some grace to yourself and to others. Your spouse,

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Speaker 1: your children, your friends. They may not respond the same

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Speaker 1: way that you do. That doesn't mean they don't care.

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Speaker 1: It just means that they're human too, So allow space

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Speaker 1: for different reactions without assigning wrong motives, and make sure

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Speaker 1: you're surrounding yourself with people who make space for your reaction. Now,

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Speaker 1: the fifth thing you need to do is anchor yourself

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Speaker 1: and what is true, not what you fear, not what

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Speaker 1: you imagine. What is true, and you know you may

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Speaker 1: have to start with the most basic truths like God

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Speaker 1: is real and God loves me. God is with me.

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Speaker 1: That's enough of a foundation to stand on today and tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: You can build again, and finally spend concentrated time in worship,

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Speaker 1: because there and only there will you gain the much

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Speaker 1: needed perspective on what you are going through. And be

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Speaker 1: sure to tune in next week because Aaron is going

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Speaker 1: to get even more practical in helping us navigate these

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Speaker 1: curveball seasons. And as always, remember God gave you your kids,

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Speaker 1: your specific kids for a reason. That's because you hold

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Speaker 1: the key to unlocking who God created them to be.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Christian parent Crazy World is

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Speaker 1: a production of Life Audio and Salem Media. If you

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