1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: Life Audio. If we're really doing something to screw it 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: all up, your dames, then He loves faith and we 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: made step that in faith, thanking me pardon one way we. 4 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 2: Have completely missed the vote. Yeah, God will use it. 5 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: He does not waste anything. Welcome to the Faith Over 6 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: Fear Podcast, where we share powerful truths to quiet anxiety 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: and fear big and small. I'm Carol McCracken. Have you 8 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: ever been pretty sure God was leading you towards something, 9 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: only to have it turn out nothing like you expect it. 10 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: Maybe the opportunity disappeared, or you tried something and it failed, 11 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: or your circumstances changed your health or your abilities created 12 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: limitations maybe that you didn't anticipate. Or maybe you're still 13 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: waiting and after enough time has passed, you're starting to 14 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: wonder whether you heard God correctly in the first place. Today, 15 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: Andy Lee is joining me to talk about something I 16 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: think many of us struggle with. What if God's call 17 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: and my picture of how that call should unfold aren't 18 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: actually the same thing. Hi? Andy, Hi Carol, I'm delighted 19 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: to have you here today. I want to put some 20 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: flesh on this because I think we understand things differently. 21 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: When we see them live down. So could you Andy, 22 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: as we get started to take a specific time when 23 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: you weren't convinced that you knew God was calling you 24 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: to something, and it didn't unfold the way that you 25 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: thought it would. Oh boy, there's a new sophen. 26 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 2: I was in college, so we're going way that freshman year, Okay, 27 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 2: I was to a point where I thought, Lord, I know, 28 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 2: I don't want to be a polysign major. I did 29 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: not want political science that was my dad wanted me 30 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: to be. And so I was by myself. I'm my knees, 31 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 2: asking the Lord what he wanted me to do. And 32 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 2: I saw in my mind, I saw myself in a 33 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: eleturgical robe. 34 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: I grew up in the Methodist Church. Okay, sole turgical. 35 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: Robe, a little brick behind me, and I wo an 36 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 2: altar and I'm holding. 37 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: A Bible that's open. 38 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 2: And I took that right away as God has called 39 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 2: me to be a pastor and the Methodist church that 40 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 2: one's okay, But not everywhere else right, And so I 41 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 2: quickly learned my parents said, are you kidding? 42 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: Degree. 43 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: My friend that I thought would be so excited, said, 44 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 2: have you read the scriptures that say women can't you 45 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: know and all that, Yeah, bad, you know. And so 46 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 2: that's how that started out, and that has been that 47 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: calling the pastor to preach to cheat has been on. 48 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: Me ever since. They never looked like I thought dwors 49 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 1: didn't know. But to seminary I really didn't apply to 50 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: seminary there to tell you there's another size story. Had 51 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: a moment of lack of faith for a little bit. 52 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,119 Speaker 1: I ended up being a school teacher. Cool. I ended 53 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: up meaning the man in my dreams who was a 54 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: soldier in the army, which was not on my radar 55 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: at all, wasn't going to date one of those guys 56 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: Michelin's marry one. So you know, life changed completely different. 57 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: So that vision has never come for It's like a 58 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: thought instead, do. 59 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 2: You know what I do, what I eat the Bible 60 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 2: all the time, in my Bible studies that I write, 61 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 2: in my books that I write, I am all about 62 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: the Bible and helping people just find the life inside 63 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: of it. And so that was a huge one because 64 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: it's not looked like I thought it. 65 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: Went, not one little bit. But so yeah, you're still 66 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: in it kind of Well, let's get to you. You've 67 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: got a book coming out, and so I have crept 68 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: through all of it. You start out that very book 69 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: with Joshua one nine. I'm going to read it because 70 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: I copied it out of your book. Have I not 71 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: commanded you? Be strong and courageous, Do not be afraid, 72 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: do not be discouraged. For the Lord your God will 73 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: be with you wherever you go. And you've got a 74 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: character Joshua in there, and he knew what God called 75 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: him to do, but knowing the call and knowing how 76 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: it was going to turn out eluded him. So what 77 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: does that show between a calling and uncertainty? 78 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 2: Well, the reason why I'm picked at the scripture is 79 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 2: doing my word nerd. 80 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: Thing so commanded. I've always had trouble with that, Yeah, 81 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:57,119 Speaker 1: because I've never been able to command myself to be strong, Yeah, 82 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: you courageous, And my dad would saying, get back phone 83 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: and just cry even more, you know, So it didn't 84 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: work at all, And I know he meant well. But anyway, 85 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: that word command in the Hebrew, the first definitions are 86 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: called and appointed. So I really believe that God was 87 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: saying to Joshua, have I not appointed you? If I'm 88 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: not called to you? 89 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, He's strengthened and be a good courage because I'm 90 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: with you. Do not be discouraged to not be a 91 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 2: friend because I am with you. I start with that 92 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,119 Speaker 2: because I think part of our problem with our call 93 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 2: is we'd start doubting right doesn't look like we think 94 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 2: it will, and so we need to remember God believed 95 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 2: in Joshua, he appointed him. There's so much more to 96 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 2: Joshua's story that's in this book, but Joshua had some 97 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: big shoes to feel. Yeah, And I think it's interesting 98 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 2: that despite his amazing faith, he would sit in the 99 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 2: tent after Moses left an intent and meeting instaid. Moses 100 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 2: would believe that Joshua would stay, and so he'd been 101 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: soaking up God's presence for years. Yet even then he 102 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 2: needed to be reminded that God called them, God appointed him, 103 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 2: and God would be with him even through the discouragement, 104 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 2: even the disappointment. 105 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: That's beautiful. Okay, as we move forward from Joshua, you 106 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: talk about hidden giants, disabilities and disappointments. I want to 107 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the hidden giants, because sometimes 108 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 1: the things that make us question our calling, they're not 109 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: dramatic failures, and their limitations, maybe that we didn't expect. 110 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: Maybe they're disappointments or doors that stay closed from what 111 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: you thought they should look like. What are some of 112 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: the hidden giants that you see are convincing people that 113 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: they've missed out on what God has for them. So 114 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: we live in a world of numbers. We're on social media. 115 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 2: We look at how many people follow us, how many 116 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 2: people liked what we hosted. If you're YouTuber, how many 117 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 2: people are watching. If you're an author and you've got 118 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 2: published books, are you a New York Times bestseller? And 119 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 2: if you're not, and if those numbers aren't showing up, 120 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: or the doors aren't opening that we think are going 121 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 2: to open, we start questioning, Lord, I'm not successful. You 122 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 2: told Joshua he'd be successful because they'd be with of 123 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 2: you know, So we start doubting the call. And I 124 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 2: was like, well, maybe I missed it. 125 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: When does your circumstance become a conclusion. You're getting to 126 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: something that I've noticed, and I didn't really think I 127 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: noticed untill I read your book about me. We think 128 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: that things are supposed to turn out a certain way. 129 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: You got your calling, this is how it's going to look. 130 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: But we might go Okay, that didn't work, so I 131 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: must have heard God wrong. Well, the way this book 132 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: came to life, I had written a couple of books. 133 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 2: They weren't New York Times bestsellers or anything. I actually 134 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 2: went back to teaching for a while. I was still 135 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 2: doing my blogging, I was still doing. 136 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: YouTube a little bit. 137 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 2: But I went back to be a teacher for three 138 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 2: years and that's all I can handle. 139 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: But so I did. 140 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 2: Have a little book come out after that teaching, and 141 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 2: he didn't do great either. But so I was really wondering, 142 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 2: is it time to quit Lord, because I'm not seeing 143 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 2: a big success here. I was in my dad's house, 144 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 2: off by myself. My dad had had a stroke like episode. 145 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 2: He was in the hospital. It was going to change 146 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 2: his life forever. He would not be able to come 147 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 2: back homic and live by himself. A lot of decisions 148 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:52,599 Speaker 2: had been made, and I was all by myself in 149 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 2: his house, thinking about my writing and whether or not 150 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 2: it's time to quit. And God just keeps on. 151 00:08:58,440 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: Giving me ideas. 152 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 2: Was an idea this but and I really liked the 153 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,479 Speaker 2: alliteration of it, the shitle. 154 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: Them from failure to faith. 155 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good that's a good idea. 156 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 1: But what God was saying was and you're not finished. 157 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: You're not finished. 158 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 2: If I compare my numbers, but I think the wor 159 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 2: all things I should be doing, it would look like 160 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 2: I should be done. But if God is still talking 161 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 2: to you, forget those circumstances, if he is still giving 162 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: you ideas, if he's still opening some doors here and there, 163 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 2: if he still has a neighbor next to you, who 164 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 2: needs to know Jesus, you're not done. And the numbers 165 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,359 Speaker 2: they matter here, but they don't matter in glory. 166 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: Amen to that. How do you know if you've been called? 167 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 2: That's a really good question. I think, Oh, maybe I 168 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: should have talked about that. 169 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: To you, to your audible voice, Carol, I never have. 170 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 2: Okay, I haven't either, But it's kind of like mental telepathy. 171 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: So I explained it. 172 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 2: There's a thought that comes through my mind or a vision, 173 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 2: you know, a seen that I see in. 174 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: My mind, and I know it's the Lord. 175 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 2: And the way I know it's him is I will 176 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 2: feel it coming down in my spirit and I know 177 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: he's saying it. It's always a whisper. It's always gentle, 178 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 2: it's not loud, and sometimes I've got chill bumps. Sometimes 179 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 2: I'll cry and I just know it's his talking to me. 180 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 2: He often repeats, but he's telling me too. When it's 181 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 2: a repetitive you. 182 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: Know it's him. 183 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 2: When you read your Bible, scripture is where we definitely 184 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 2: hear from the Lord. So always when you hear something 185 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 2: from the Lord, if you're not sure, start running your Bibles. 186 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 2: For years, when I was so sad about these numbers, 187 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 2: the Lord was saying, I am faithful. And he still 188 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 2: says that when I get down. But then last year 189 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 2: or two years ago, he changed it and he said. 190 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: Be faithful. Oh, oh, be faithful. I was like, okay, 191 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: I will. So that's how I hear the Lord. 192 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 2: As far as calling goes, I think the calling has 193 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: to do with what breaks our heart and has to 194 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 2: do what we're passionate about. It's not necessarily always what 195 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 2: we're talented doing. As a writer, the more you write, 196 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 2: the better you get. Sometimes you have to practice or speaking, 197 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 2: you just have to practice it. 198 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: The better you get. The Lord has called you to it, 199 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 1: he has appointed to you, he believes in you. He 200 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: has called me to do it. That's beautiful. It is 201 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: a side note. I think that how do you hear 202 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: God's voice? Is very important in a mystery to a 203 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: lot of people, and we're doing a series on it 204 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: coming up, so you might want to come back and 205 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: listen to that if you get it. What did you 206 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: believe your call was after college? Then? 207 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: So I still felt I had it for a years. 208 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 2: I lacked my faith after college. It's a long story. 209 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 2: After college and miss so empty. 210 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: A lot of kids do this. 211 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 2: And yeah, you know, let's go start for the bigger 212 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 2: picture and see maybe I'm wrong and somebody else is right. 213 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 2: And so I tried to believe that, you know, all 214 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 2: religions were the same. I've never been so empty in 215 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 2: my life. 216 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's terrible, but the Lord loved me. I look 217 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: back now, and I realized Jesus and loved me because 218 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: I was no longer claiming him as favior of the world. 219 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: Hey you know, yeah, God did not leave me. And 220 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: he put me right next door to my mentor teach 221 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: dramas a teacher, and she was teaching her next door 222 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: to me, and she was a baba believing Jesus, loving, 223 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: going and bring you back to Jesus. The last thing 224 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: I did, Lady, we had debates, and she had. 225 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 2: Me over and she fed me, and she took me 226 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 2: to church, and one night she took my. 227 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: Bible or her bubble. There's my bubble, don't have it anyway, 228 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: She said, Andy, you had to take all of this 229 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: or none of it. I want it all. 230 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 2: And I was really wondering. I saw a lot of 231 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 2: gray in the Bible at that point. I was just 232 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 2: so desperate to have them back. 233 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: I went it all. So I was baptized that Sunday 234 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: came out of the wide rub of my hands together, 235 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: never to turn around again. I'm going to show what 236 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: your question was. Well, it was okay, that was a 237 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: perfect mine. Mine was your call changed and you went 238 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: from being a poly sign major to this and I didn't. 239 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: You just explained how you came into your call with 240 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: a bang, and I think I'm an English major. So 241 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: I ended up getting a job teaching. 242 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 2: School and moving to Texas and living on Port Hound, 243 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 2: which was. 244 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: Big army, I'm sure, and strangely enough, as a soldier. Yeah, yeah, 245 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: A good thing that came from it when things weren't 246 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: going to plan. What were you telling yourself? Well something, 247 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: you know, let's go back to calls. 248 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 2: I feel like I meant that call to be a pastor. 249 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 1: But maybe that was just to be a bubble teacher. 250 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 2: It's called it right right when they don't thos plan 251 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 2: it well for the writing, I went back to work 252 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: for a little bit. Yeah, and there was some really 253 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 2: good things that came out of that too. 254 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: But I wonder how much time I lost. 255 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 2: But he can take care of the time and redeem 256 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 2: all those things. 257 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: That we've done. So, yeah, you want to quit, and 258 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: sometimes you do take a little pause. Sometimes you need 259 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: to switch hands. 260 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 2: Sometimes what we're doing is not working and we need 261 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 2: to listen to the Lord and maybe he is a 262 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 2: different direction for us. 263 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: To go, but it's kind of the same call. And 264 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: so to switch hands, you're just doing it in a 265 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: different way. Is that what you mean? 266 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 2: So I was not getting calls to come speak at 267 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 2: women's events, and so the Lord said, at that time, 268 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 2: what was it called Twitter headed live feed? So I 269 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 2: started that and then Facebook Live started. So I started 270 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 2: doing Facebook Live every day because God's my look, start teaching. 271 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 2: Start preaching right here, dont wait for those doors to open, 272 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 2: it's right here. 273 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: And so that's when. 274 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 2: I started teaching a lot on live on Facebook, on 275 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 2: Instagram and my YouTube channel. So that's what I mean 276 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 2: by like switching hands. 277 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: Gotcha very good? Alrighty. You began to talk about numbers 278 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: and then you've got a whole thing in your book 279 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: that's called The Problem with Measuring Sticks. We got the 280 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: wrong one. Yeah. I really like that because it was 281 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: especially convicting on some levels, and because sometimes nothing has 282 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: actually told us we failed. We are looking at what 283 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: we decided to have. Like you were going to be 284 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: Beth Moore, you were going to be a New York 285 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: Times bestseller? This success to you? What decides what successful 286 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: obedience really looks like? 287 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 2: Did you know that obedience is success? If you think 288 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 2: about it? What does the Lord call success but faithfulness 289 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 2: and obedience. Think about Abraham when he said about Abraham, 290 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: he said Abraham faithfulness made him righteous. So I think 291 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 2: when we turn that measuring and stick around from I 292 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 2: think we get confused in the different covenants. So Joshua 293 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 2: was in the Mosaic Covenant. 294 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: Mosaic Covenant was and I wrote this, I'm safe to 295 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: hear start could say it right. Mosaic Covenant was obeyby 296 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: and I will make you prosperous and successful. 297 00:16:55,240 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 2: Okay, we don't live in the mosaic covenant anymore. And 298 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 2: then Jesus who knew covenant that is forgiveness of sins 299 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 2: law on our heart and our mind. That's where we live. 300 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 2: And so perhaps we believe we've displaced God or done 301 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 2: something wrong if we aren't successful wherever we go because 302 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 2: of this, Sisters Joshua, So subtimes, measuring the stick is 303 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 2: taking the scripture of the Bible. That we're just taking 304 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 2: that scripture, not the whole full, from the Old Testament 305 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 2: to the New and realizing where we are now. 306 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: That's a good point of view. I think that this 307 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 1: measurement becomes especially dangerous sometimes when we have a legitimate 308 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 1: calling and we attach our own definition of success to it. 309 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: God may be calling you to write, so we decide 310 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 1: we need that publishing contract but we don't get it. 311 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: Or God may be calling someone to ministry like you, 312 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: and we decide it's a particular position or it's a platform, 313 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 1: or like you were alluding to earlier. God may call 314 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: us to use a gift and we decide that that 315 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: gift should receive a certain amount of attention. So how 316 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: do you separate the calling from the outcome? That we've 317 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: attached to it. 318 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 2: We need to trust him with that outcome and that 319 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 2: he's the author of that outcome. We can't do anything 320 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 2: about that outcome. Sometimes are measuring his stick as a person, right, yeah, 321 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. 322 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: She went today. 323 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 2: I did it as somebody else's book just came out. 324 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: It wasn't doing that measuristic thing. And that's you just 325 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 1: really have to say, Lord, I was obedient. 326 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 2: I give this to you the outcome that I can see. 327 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 2: There's so much that we cannot see. If we're just 328 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 2: faithful and obedient to do what kindness called us to do, 329 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 2: He's going to take care of the rest and know 330 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 2: so much more that we'll see an eternity than we 331 00:18:58,720 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 2: can never know here. 332 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: I believe that. But again, pushing back just a little bit, 333 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: I think I'm dangerous because at the same time, we 334 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: don't want to use God as doing something different as 335 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: an excuse to not evaluate ourselves. Honestly, sometimes something really 336 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: isn't working. So how do we know the difference between that? 337 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: Because I believe with all my heart what you're saying, 338 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: God sees the whole picture. If we're really doing something 339 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: to screw it all up. My names. This is the thing. 340 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 2: I believe He loves faith and we made step that 341 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 2: in faith. 342 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: Thank and me Burton, one. 343 00:19:53,000 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 2: Way they've completely missed. Yeah, God loves faith and he 344 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,239 Speaker 2: will use it. He does not waste anything. Maybe we 345 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: need to go back. I can linger with him when 346 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 2: we do that. In the book, I give lingering prompts 347 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 2: in the book to go back to the call, go 348 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 2: back to listening to him again. 349 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,479 Speaker 1: I think that's really important. I can go back to 350 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: what God said, or I can go back to the 351 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: whole plan I built around what God said, and those 352 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 1: aren't necessarily the same thing. When you tell us to 353 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: go back to the call, how do you distinguish what 354 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: we're to go back to? Like, how do we distinguish 355 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: what God really said and what we assumed he meant. 356 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 2: So one of my calls, the call for right, the 357 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 2: call the first call when he said, and he have 358 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 2: a book for you, and he gave me the idea for. 359 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: My marry book. 360 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 2: And Mary like me, you're just hoping to write the book. Okay, 361 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 2: you don't tell me anything else, just to write the book. 362 00:20:58,480 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: I but on. 363 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 2: The other stuff on there right be bethemore The New 364 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 2: York Times missile. I put all that on there, the 365 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 2: vision I had of being a pastor like I thought. 366 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 2: I probably put a lot on that myself of what 367 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:15,959 Speaker 2: I thought that was. 368 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: That's all I'm gonna say there. Okay, what if I 369 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: go back to the call and realize, yes, I still 370 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 1: believe that God called me to this, but I may 371 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: have been wrong about what it's supposed to look like. 372 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: Does obedience sometimes mean releasing our version of the call 373 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: while holding on to that call ourself. 374 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 2: For me personally, that whole call of the pastor, it 375 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 2: was so painful because it as hard as a woman 376 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 2: I've been a calling this world. If you're a guy, 377 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 2: you my pants, they'll open that door. Yeah, and it 378 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 2: ends on what church in all of that, But anyway, 379 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 2: after drawer or door, probably I would say to the Lord, 380 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 2: take this away. If I heard you wrong, if I 381 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 2: interpreted that vision wrong, or if it's just not going 382 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 2: to happen, Lord, just take it away. On I had 383 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 2: and experience in a church with a pastor and it 384 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 2: just ripped it completely out. 385 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: Wow, it was so painful. But you know what, I 386 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: am so afraid he did take it away from me, 387 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 1: So he will do that. 388 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 2: If you miss if you just go to the mat 389 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 2: with them, wrestle with him about it. You know, he 390 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 2: makes wrestlers afterwards, wrestlers, so you can handle it. If 391 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 2: you miss it, he will be faithful to redirect. 392 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: You be faithful and you stick close to them. That's good. 393 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: I really like that. And he may be holding on 394 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 1: so tight you need to let go. But fear can 395 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: work both ways. We can make us quit too soon. 396 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 1: So if you quit too soon, is that not being 397 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: faithful enough? What if you needn't just take a break? 398 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 2: Took a break and I still did a little bit 399 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 2: of right, and I couldn't do everything like I had 400 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 2: been doing. And I took a long break. 401 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: But it was okay. I mean, I'm back, but he 402 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 1: called me to do. But don't let go home. Keep on, 403 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: hold on tight, very tightly. All right, there's waiting. I 404 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: hate waiting, girl, my gosh, it can feel so much 405 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: like failure when everything else is moving and you're sitting 406 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: there waiting. Please talk to us about patience, Andy. 407 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 2: In the book. I talked about it a sweet phone 408 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 2: conversation I was having with a good friend of mine. 409 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 1: We've been friends forever. This was years ago, and I 410 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: was discouraged about my writing and books and all that, 411 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: and we're praying. Then she starts giggling, and I'm like, 412 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: what do you tell you what you get? What you get? 413 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: And she said, you don't want to know, and I said, yes, 414 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: I do. Tell me. What did he say? 415 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 2: And she said, well, he said to be patient. I 416 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 2: know she thought I was just gonna the phone. 417 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: Across the room. I did it sometime when it's a 418 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: word from the Lord and you don't receive it like 419 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: they think or you think you normally would, but you 420 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: know it's here because I heard that. And I heard 421 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: a promise then that to be patient. When you tell 422 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: your kids you're on the car and you go to Grandma's, 423 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: be patient. You know you're going to get there eventually. 424 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: And so that word from the Lord. 425 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 2: To be patient was just a beautiful promise to me. 426 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 2: If you hear the door tell you to be patient, 427 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 2: keep on doing what you're doing, keep on being faithful 428 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 2: to why he's called you to today. They know he's 429 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 2: got something good. 430 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: For you because he promised you. What does active faithfulness 431 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: look like while we wait? Because I don't think I 432 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 1: do it very well. I think it probably depends on 433 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: everybody a little bit differently depends on your call. What 434 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: that call looks like. If he's called you to write, 435 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: then you need to be writing. So the way I've 436 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: been able to be faithful and that is I felt 437 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: like I had somebody had to write to you, so 438 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: like for blogging, Like I give a reading plan once 439 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: a month. 440 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 2: Okay, I feel like I've got to get that done 441 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 2: because make me just one person. 442 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 1: But they are waiting on that reading plan. 443 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 2: So that's one way to help yourself be faithful to 444 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 2: something is no somebody is depending. 445 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 1: On you for that. Yeah, Okay, We've talked about it 446 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: a lot, but I want to bring this down to 447 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 1: something our listeners can actually do. If somebody listening realizes, Okay, 448 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: I may have confused God's call with my plan for 449 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: God's call. What do you want him or her to 450 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: do differently because of this conversation. 451 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 2: Well, one thing I always say, don't get so hung 452 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 2: upon that because God wrote open the door we are 453 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 2: meant to be. If you heard it wrong, trust his leading. 454 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 2: Try his open doors. 455 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 1: They may be different in that the closed door I 456 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: had on the ministry thing, Yeah, opened this door for 457 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: us to. 458 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 2: Move close to my daughter and grandchildren. But got here, 459 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 2: and I had a running community, aardy here, so many 460 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 2: good things were here for us, and we never would 461 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 2: have done it if that door had not shut. So 462 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 2: if you have miss interpreted God, so don't worry, He's 463 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 2: gonna He's gonna lead you where you need to be 464 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 2: because he's faithful. So I would not get so caught 465 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 2: up on missing the call as in just you know, 466 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 2: being faithful to what he. 467 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: Tells you to do today. Well, I think that what 468 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 1: you've given us is a distinction that we really need 469 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: to sit with. What did God actually call me to do? 470 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: And what did I decide the calling is supposed to 471 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: look like? Because sometimes what we call failure is really 472 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: the loss of an outcome that we expected. As you 473 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: have pointed out time and time again, that doesn't mean 474 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 1: that the disappointment isn't real. You were disappointed, for example, 475 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: about the ministry thing up front, But it doesn't mean 476 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: we never need to change course. And it certainly doesn't 477 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 1: mean that every idea we've ever had comes directly from God. 478 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: But it does mean that we shouldn't let one failed 479 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: plan make the final decision about whether God is finished 480 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: with us. Maybe courage looks like a little like the 481 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: Joshua one nine thing that you opened your book with 482 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,239 Speaker 1: and talk to us about that. We don't have our 483 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: whole journey mapped out, and we don't know exactly what 484 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 1: success will look like. We know that God will be 485 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: with us wherever we go. So perhaps a question isn't 486 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: how do I make this turn out the way that 487 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: I thought that it would. Maybe the better question is 488 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: what does faithfulness look like from here? So thank you 489 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: for helping us sort through that today, and to our listeners, 490 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: thank you for listening to Faith over fear. This conversation 491 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: encouraged you. Make sure you subscribe to the show, and 492 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 1: would you take a moment and rate us because it 493 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: really does encourage Jennifer, my co host, in me and 494 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 1: share the episode with somebody who may need the reminder 495 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: that a disappointing outcome doesn't necessarily mean that God canceled 496 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: the call. Until next time, may you live as one 497 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 1: who has been truly set free.