1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: Life Audio. Have you ever felt life knocked you down 2 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: so hard you weren't sure you'd even get back up again. 3 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: Today's guest, Greg Horn knows that kind of pain firsthand. 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 1: After losing three close friends to on aliving themselves and 5 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: experiencing the devastating collapse of his own business, marriage, and home, 6 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: all within twenty four hours, Greg was left at rock bottom, 7 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: but God met him there. Today on your Hope Field Perspective, 8 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: Greg shares how to move from fear to hope, how 9 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: gratitude can transform our outlook, and how we can live 10 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: each day with a renewed sense of purpose. Welcome to 11 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: your Hope Field Perspective with doctor Michelle Banks and where 12 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: our goal is to restore hope, renew minds, and empower 13 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: listeners to live in your God given identity. I'm so 14 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: thankful when you choose to spend a few minutes of 15 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: your week with us. Today we're going to be talking 16 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: about how to hold on to hope in a world 17 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: full of fear and despair. We'll dive into that right 18 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: after this brief word from our sponsor. Fear, loss and 19 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: heartbreak can strip the joy out of life, leaving us 20 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: wondering if hope is even possible. My guest today, Greg Horn, 21 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: has lived through some of life's deepest valleys, losing friends, 22 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: his marriage, his business, and even his home in a 23 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: single day. Instead of allowing fear and despair to write 24 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: the end of his story, Greg chose to trust God 25 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: and share a message of encouragement with others who are hurting. 26 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: On this episode of Your Hope Field Perspective, Greg and 27 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: I will talk about how to face fear head on 28 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: the role of gratitude and healing, and practical ways to 29 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: embrace the truth that hope is always there. So I 30 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: felt compelled to start off this episode with a familiar verse. 31 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: It comes from Romans fifteen thirteen. May the God of 32 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: all hope fill you with all joy and peace as 33 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: you trust in Him, so that you may overflow with 34 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: hope by the power of the Holy Spirit. Greg Horn 35 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: is best known as an encourager, coach, motivator, and speaker. 36 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: He speaks regularly to organizations, civic groups, and churches on 37 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: the topics of fear, gratitude, and hope. He also hosts 38 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: the radio show and podcast Hope Is Here, which I've 39 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: had the honor of being on a broadcast daily Monday 40 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: through Friday and multiple radio stations in central Kentucky. His ministry, 41 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: Hope Is Here, began in December twenty seventeen from a 42 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: holy discontent that was growing within him after losing three 43 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: friends to unliving themselves. I'm excited to share his story 44 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: with you today. Welcome to the podcast. 45 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 2: Greg, Hey, Michelle, thanks for having me. It's an honor 46 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: to be with you. You are such a wonderful guest. 47 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: And our Hope Is Here a program had a lot 48 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 2: of wonderful feedback, and I'm so thankful that we both 49 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 2: have just maybe our word, we all have a word, 50 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 2: is hope, and so I'm thankful to be able to 51 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,399 Speaker 2: hopefully provide some hope today for your listeners. 52 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: I think you will. Greg. What I have come to 53 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: find out is that frequently our ministry is our birth 54 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: out of our own pain and our wounds or our 55 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: own needs. So if you would, would you take us 56 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: back in time to the events that brought you great 57 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: pain and basically then changed the trajectory of your life 58 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: and ministry. 59 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, rewind the clock back March nineteen ninety seven. I 60 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 2: had a ten million dollar company, one hundred employees working 61 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 2: with me. It was gonna be a millionaire in my 62 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: mid thirties. And one day it started raining, and it 63 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 2: rained and it rained. It was like Noah's art proportions. 64 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 2: And so it was about two days before I could 65 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 2: get into my business, and I called my insurance agent, 66 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 2: and I had every type of insurance. It sept for 67 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: flood inshirts, and so there hadn't been a flood in Kentucky. 68 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 2: This was in Synthiana. Kentucky had been a flood in 69 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: eighty nine years. Nobody had flooded shirts. So I went 70 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 2: going to be a millionaire a mid thirties, to be 71 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 2: a two million dollars in debt overnight. But I prayed 72 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 2: about it and felt like God said, you know, you 73 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 2: got one hundred people depending on you for a job 74 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 2: and a small community in Kentucky, and you need to 75 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 2: try to reopen. So I got a maximum flood disaster 76 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 2: loan and was able to reopen in miraculous twenty one days. 77 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 2: A few months later on the Chamber of Commerce business 78 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: Person of the Year award, and then I was My 79 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: story of coming back and opening was featured in a 80 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 2: John Maxwell book called Felling Forward, and so I thought 81 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: this was going to be an ultimate comeback story God, 82 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 2: and we're going to give you all the glory for 83 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 2: what you've done. But fast forward about four years later. 84 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 2: Fortunately I can overcome the two million dollars of debt 85 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 2: and the most humbling moment of my life. I had 86 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 2: to file bankruptcy. So I lost my business. I knew 87 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 2: it was going to lose my home because I put 88 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,799 Speaker 2: it up for the flood disaster loan, but I wasn't 89 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: expecting what happened when I went home that night, and unexpectedly, 90 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 2: my wife said, Hey, I hate that to your bad day, 91 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 2: but I'm leaving you and I wanted divorce. So I 92 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 2: lost my business, my home, and my marriage in about 93 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 2: a twenty four hour period. And this, I don't know 94 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 2: how i'll say it, but I was hopeless. 95 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: I think many of our listeners and viewers can relate 96 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: to that feeling of hopelessness. How did you find the 97 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: strength to move forwards from such devastating loss. 98 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 2: Well, I'd like to say there was one thing, but 99 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 2: I've kind of found in my life it's usually kind 100 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 2: of a culmination of things. One my faith became real 101 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 2: and I was personally. I went on Sunday mornings, I 102 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 2: was even a good Christian gave ten percent of my 103 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: income at either Yet, if I'm honest, the other one 104 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 2: hundred and sixty seven hours a week, we're about me. 105 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: I mean, I listened to a lot of back then 106 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 2: you didn't have podcasts, but Christian radio programs, people like 107 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: Chuck Swindahll, doctor David Jeremiah, Charles Stanley, Joyce Meyer. I mean, 108 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: so many people, but I have to meet. Most of 109 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 2: my life was kind of focused on me, so my 110 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 2: faith I really leaned into it. I wanted to find 111 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 2: out if the Bible was real. I had a good 112 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 2: Christian counselor that really helped me. So therapy helped family, 113 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 2: some friends also took a pharmaceutical to something to help 114 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: me kind of get over the hunt. For about ten 115 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 2: months at last, not least started exercising like a madman. 116 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 2: I had really not taking care of my temple with 117 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 2: all the business and all the stress of that, and 118 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 2: I wasn't exercising regularly. So it was really kind of 119 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 2: a culminational things. Faith, family, friends, therapy, and exercise and 120 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 2: medicine so kind of all rolled in one. But I 121 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 2: would have to say, if you said one thing honestly, 122 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 2: my faith in Jesus is what really kept me alive 123 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 2: during that season. 124 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: So what I'm hearing from you is that that healing 125 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: journey multifaceted. It wasn't just one thing. It wasn't the 126 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: Bible burst band aid, it wasn't just the exercise, It 127 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: wasn't just going to church. It was all of those 128 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: facets working together, which I think is so important for 129 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: the audience to hear. Sometimes we need medication, Sometimes we 130 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: need to look at our diets. Sometimes we need counseling. 131 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: And what I love about the stories in the Bible, Greg, 132 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: and I think you would agree, is that Jesus healed 133 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: in many different ways. And that's okay, that's good. But Greg, 134 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: I also know that fear can be paralyzing. How have 135 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: you personally learned to overcome fear and step forward and hope? 136 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 2: Well, I think the biggest thing is to face those fears. 137 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 2: You know, the enemy sometimes once you get humped up 138 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 2: and just play it safe and things. You know, I 139 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 2: heard acronym fvar many years ago. Face face false expectations 140 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 2: appearing real, and so I think fear, we see it, 141 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 2: but so many times it's not real. And eighty percent 142 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 2: of things we fear don't happen. But I really did 143 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 2: truly press into my faith and face those fears. And 144 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 2: as I was having daily quiet times, there were certain 145 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 2: Bible verses that just became life versus to me to 146 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 2: help me face those fears of trying to start my 147 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 2: whole life over again, both vocationally, personally and so like 148 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 2: Psalm twenty eight to seven. The therapists that I worked with, 149 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: he encouraged me to read the Book of Psalms. Would 150 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 2: go to bed at night, just start reading Psalms, starting 151 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 2: chapter one, just read until like God had spoke to me. 152 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 2: And I cried myself to sleep many nights those first 153 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,239 Speaker 2: couple of three weeks, and Psalm twenty eight to seven 154 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: became one of my life verses. It says, the Lord 155 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 2: is my strength and my shield. My heart trust than 156 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 2: you Lord, and I am helped. And I would write 157 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: it on a posted note. I would stick it on 158 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 2: my bathroom mirror, so I saw it first thing in 159 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: the morning when I was getting ready. I put in 160 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: the dashboard of my car. I put it on my laptop. 161 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 2: I even put it in my wallet because looking you know, financially, God, hey, 162 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: you know you gotta be my strength and chill because 163 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 2: I've lost everything. And then Proverb chapter three, verses five 164 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 2: and six became another life first year in that season, 165 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 2: it says, trust the Lord with all your heart and 166 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 2: lean not on your own understanding, but in all your 167 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 2: ways acknowledge God, and he will make your pastraight. He'll 168 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 2: direct them. And so those two verses there really just 169 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 2: became kind of a compass for me when I was 170 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 2: in fear to stand on look God's words said, even 171 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 2: though I did feel fearful, I could stay hopeful as 172 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 2: I read God's word and didn't give in to my 173 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 2: feelings of fear. 174 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, you and I have that in common with how 175 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: when I was going through a really despairing time in 176 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: my life, I wrote out the scriptures that spoke to 177 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: my heart, and like you, I had them plastered everywhere. 178 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: They were on my bathroom mirror and on my night standing, 179 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: on the dashboard of my car. But as a neuropsychologist, Greg, 180 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: what I appreciate about that is that scripture talks about 181 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: the fact that faith comes by hearing and hearing by 182 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: the word of God. So as we would read those scriptures, 183 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: you and I both were infused with the hope that 184 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: only comes from our Savior. I want to talk more 185 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: about hope and how you would define that in a 186 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: biblical context. Right after this brief word from our sponsor, Greg, 187 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: how would you define hope in a biblical context. I 188 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: know how the world looks at hope. They try to 189 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: find hope through their job, through their relationships, through their 190 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: bank account. But how would you define it? 191 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 2: Well, Well, the Bible verse that you opened up with Romans, 192 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 2: Chapter fifteen, verse thirteen. When I started Hope Is Here 193 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 2: Ministries back in December of twenty seventeen, that was the 194 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 2: foundational verse. And until I started hopeus Here really have 195 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 2: to plead ignorance, I wasn't familiar with that verse. I 196 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 2: love the book Romans read it, but just you know 197 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 2: how it is the Holy Spirit speaks to you in 198 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 2: different seasons of life when you need God's word. And 199 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 2: so I think that verse just sums it up that 200 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 2: God the source of all hope and will give you 201 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 2: peace and joy. But the key part is those words 202 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 2: right after that you will give you peace and joy 203 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 2: as you trust in Him. And so I think biblical 204 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 2: hope it's when you say you know what God, even 205 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 2: though I don't see you working, and I don't feel 206 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 2: you working. I'm going to trust you because you are 207 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: my source of hope. And then I love the second 208 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 2: part of that verse. And I think so many times 209 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 2: as Christians, yes we should be meek and humble, but 210 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 2: I think a lot of times we don't stand in 211 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 2: faith and power. And the second part of that verses, 212 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,839 Speaker 2: not only can we have hope, we can overflow with hope. 213 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 2: And one version he says, overflow with confidence hope by 214 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: the power of the Holy Spirit. And you know, I 215 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 2: love how Jesus described the Holy Spirit. He would leave 216 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 2: us a comforter and a counselor. And so when you're 217 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 2: in fear, when you're hurting, man, I need some comfort 218 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 2: and I need some wisdom. Just ask the Holy Spirit 219 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 2: to help you, and all will God give you hope. 220 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 2: He's going to help you overflow with confident hope. So 221 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 2: I think Roman's fifteen thirteen, Man, that is an anchor 222 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 2: right there for biblical hope for me. 223 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is. You know, my husband and I 224 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: have had a conversation many times, and we're not theologians, 225 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: but we've talked about the difference between faith and hope 226 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: and The way he's talked about it with me is 227 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: he looks at faith as based on something we've experienced. 228 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 1: We've experienced God coming through in the past for us, 229 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 1: but hope is that forward looking, And like you said, 230 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: it's we're putting our faith in something we can't see yet, 231 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 1: but believing that God's word is true. Before the break, 232 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: we were talking about fear, and fear is based in 233 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 1: something that is often not true, but when our hope 234 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: is in God, it's based on something that is certain. Greg, 235 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: you and I have both lost friends tragically, and I'm 236 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: wondering what you would say to someone who, maybe right 237 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 1: now a listener or a viewer, feels like their situation 238 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: is beyond redemption. Certainly you hit rock bottom losing so 239 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: much in a twenty four hour period. What would you 240 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: say to the person who's listening now and feels like 241 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: that's me. My circumstances might be different than Greg, but 242 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: that's how I feel. 243 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, great question. You know I used to hear Romans 244 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 2: eight twenty eight in college, and I was kind of 245 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 2: far from God. I was in a fraternity, I lived 246 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 2: in the men's basketball dormit the University of Kentucky, which 247 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 2: was a big deal if you're living in the state 248 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 2: of Kentucky. I'd hear Romans eight twenty eight from our pastor. 249 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 2: I'd be out laid at night two three, but I 250 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 2: showed up at church because I had a mom that 251 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 2: I knew would ask me later that afternoon, did I 252 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 2: go to church? And so I'd hear our pastor, Sure, 253 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: Romans eight twenty eight, All things work together for those 254 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 2: who love the Lord and are called according to his purpose. 255 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 2: And i'd hear that. I go, yeah, yeah, okay, you're right, sure, 256 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 2: And yet I was far from God, but God was 257 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 2: still planning that seed of that Bible verse in my hit. 258 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 2: And I'd hear that Bible verse back then as a 259 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 2: twenty year old guy. I would sit there and think, Okay, 260 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 2: yet some things work together, but not all. I mean, 261 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 2: come on, really, then, I'd say, as I got lawyer, 262 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 2: so okay, well, maybe most things work together. But I 263 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 2: can really say with all my heart that now fast forward, 264 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 2: when all of that just you know, tragedy happened in 265 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 2: my life, all those traumatic events, I can tell you 266 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 2: now on the other side of it, twenty years later, 267 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 2: that all things do work together. And right now you 268 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 2: may not understand why you know, and that's obviously the 269 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 2: thing that say want you to do is to ask why, 270 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 2: as we both know that sometimes it's side of heaven, 271 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 2: we're not going to know the answer. But I really do, 272 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 2: truly believe in my life's a living testimony many wonderful 273 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 2: guests like yourself. My hope it's your program is that truly, 274 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 2: if you will give your situation to God, no matter 275 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 2: how hopeless it may look, no matter how hopeless it 276 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 2: may feel, no matter how great the pain may feel, 277 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 2: that God truly will use all of it for His 278 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 2: glory and give you a testimony to help be a 279 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 2: blessing and make ripples in other people's lives. 280 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: When you were going through that devastating experience, we have 281 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: a choice. We can either lean into God or we 282 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: can walk away. Were there ever moments when you just 283 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: wanted to turn your back on the Lord and go, 284 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: how'd you let this happen? Why did you let this happen? 285 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: What good is going to come out of this? 286 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, I was angry a God that there were 287 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 2: times I would just pray when I went to sleep, 288 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 2: I don't want to please, don't let me wake up tomorrow. God, 289 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 2: I just I can't handle this pain. My business, my home, 290 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 2: and unexpectedly my marriage, I mean, finances are gone, I 291 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 2: mean everything. And I didn't want to wake up. I 292 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 2: just really, Yeah, there was definitely those moments, and then 293 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 2: I can remember wanting to go back and maybe think 294 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 2: I could numb some of the pain. One time I 295 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 2: went into adult entertainment club and as soon as I 296 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 2: sit in there, the Holy Spirit convicted me so strong, 297 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 2: so this is not where your key link in comfort's 298 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 2: going to go. And literally, in thirty seconds, I turned 299 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 2: around and walked right back out. And so, yes, there 300 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 2: were things that was angry, and I turned from God. 301 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 2: But as I leaned into him, as you said, leaned 302 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: into Jesus, he just slowly but surely started healing the 303 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 2: broken pieces of my heart, and in my mind, it 304 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 2: just started restoring and rebuilding the foundation that I stand 305 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 2: on today over twenty years later. 306 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: What are some of the daily practices you recommend for 307 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: those who feel overwhelmed by fear or hopelessness. 308 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 2: Well, I think the first thing, and I started this 309 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 2: before God called me in the ministry, is just making 310 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 2: sure the first thing in the morning you have quiet 311 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 2: time with God, I'm a esp and God loves sports, 312 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 2: and that would be my thing. I had to go 313 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 2: turn the coffee pot on and turn on ESPN and 314 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 2: have that on watch a little bit of that for 315 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 2: I jumped in the shower and go to work. And 316 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 2: I had somebody that was kind of mentoring me, and 317 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 2: they challenged me and said, you know, man, you know, 318 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 2: are you having a daily quiet time? And all, honestly 319 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 2: I wasn't. It was just kind of sporadic. I was 320 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 2: in a men's group. So I mean I did the 321 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 2: church thing fairly well for a guy. And I said, 322 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 2: this is before God called me the ministry. But when 323 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 2: I made that quiet time with God starting with a 324 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 2: devotional book. Also, somebody child you just to read whatever 325 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 2: the day of the week was in Proverbs. So if 326 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 2: today is the twenty ninth, then read chapter twenty nine, 327 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 2: thirty one chapters and Proverbs thirty days, thirty one days 328 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 2: and months and to do that over and over. And 329 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 2: that became a foundation for me there. And so there's 330 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 2: no substitutent. I hear people say, well, I'm not a 331 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 2: morning person, Well I would still challenge that, just to say, man, 332 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 2: I want to fill my heart and soul my mind 333 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 2: with God's word first in the morning doesn't have to 334 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 2: be an hour, Okay, I mean started, I was starting 335 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 2: with ten minutes, then it became fifteen minutes. And yet 336 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 2: God just started speaking and was so amazing. So many times, 337 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 2: like in those proverbs, I would have something happen in 338 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 2: my business job that would just all of a sudden, 339 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 2: I can hear God saying, Hey, remember what I shared 340 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 2: with you. Be quick to listen, slow to speech, loa 341 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 2: to become angry. Just so many things that God's word 342 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 2: help me apply in my secular job at that time. 343 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 2: The second thing now that we have available is podcast 344 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 2: like yours in mine, so many of those. I'm in 345 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 2: the showering, I'm getting ready in the morning, things like that. 346 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 2: Just filling my heart and mind with God's words and 347 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 2: hearing stories. It's like yours, and just like me, we 348 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 2: both have guests because we all know everybody's got a 349 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 2: story right now. 350 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, Greg and your experience, What do you think the 351 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 1: relationship is between gratitude and resilience? 352 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 2: Wow, I don't think you can have one without the other. 353 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 2: I think to be resilient you have to be gratitude 354 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 2: to be grateful. You know, one of the things that 355 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 2: God showed me several years ago. There could be ten 356 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 2: things going on in your life, ten things, and you 357 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 2: know what, eight of them are good? But what do 358 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 2: we focus on just those two out of all those 359 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 2: things that are going so well? And I really really 360 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 2: just try to start out. I started this year in 361 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 2: COVID a few years and I did it every day, 362 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 2: and I do it most days. Now I will profess 363 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 2: I'm not doing it every day, but I try to 364 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 2: do it at least four or five days a week. Firstly, 365 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 2: when I roll out of bed in the morning, I 366 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 2: get on my knees and I thank God and I 367 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 2: love Saw one eighteen verse twenty four says this is 368 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 2: the day the Lord has made. I shall be glad 369 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 2: and rejoicing it. And I remember my mom as the 370 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 2: first Bible verse I remember learning as a kid, my 371 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 2: mom will come in and raise the shades and say 372 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 2: that verse. And the fourth fifth grade kid, I didn't 373 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 2: want to hear that, you know, But now that's a 374 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 2: bill verse. I know because that's how she had me 375 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 2: start my day. And now as an adult, I do that. 376 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 2: And being on my knees and starting that and then 377 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 2: I also thank God for three or four things that 378 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 2: happened the day before, reflecting and thinking, and then I 379 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 2: thank you for some opportunities like this morning, I did that, 380 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 2: and I thank him for the opportunity to be a 381 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 2: guest on your program and share the hope that we 382 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 2: can all have in Jesus. So I think it starts 383 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 2: with that gratitude and then the resilience part. I mean, 384 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 2: you know, it's a choice, and we don't like to 385 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 2: talk about that that sometimes in the faith based world. 386 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 2: But I was a college basketball coach at Western Kentucky 387 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 2: University back in the nineties, and I worked for one 388 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 2: of Rick Bettino's assistants, Ralph Willard, and I learned a 389 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 2: lot about mental toughness and part of being resilience does 390 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 2: it requires a choice. You have to be mentally tough 391 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 2: and it's not warm fuzzy. But I mean, my Goodness 392 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 2: said all that Jesus went through, he had to be 393 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 2: a pretty mentally tough person himself. And I think sometimes 394 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 2: we don't want to say that. We just want everything 395 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 2: to be warm and fuzzy in the church world and 396 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 2: in the faith world. And then we got an enemy 397 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 2: that Jesus warns John ten ten comes to steal and 398 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 2: to kill and destroy. So make no mistake about it. 399 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 2: You have to lean in your faith. You have to 400 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 2: choose to be resilient. But with Jesus help you can 401 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 2: do that. And so gratitude resilience, I think they go 402 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 2: hand in hand. 403 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: I appreciate what you've just said because both of them 404 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: are a choice. And I've gone through many things I've 405 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: had people say, Michelle, how how are you able to 406 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 1: be so resilient? How are you able to persevere? And Greg, 407 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: I've just finally come to the conclusion that Jesus didn't 408 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: give up. He persevered for my sake. So it's not 409 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: in my DNA to give up. If Jesus would do 410 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: that for me while I was still a sinner, I 411 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: can continue to persevere because of the hope that I 412 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: have in him. You know, even on your program, we 413 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: talked a little bit about neuroplasticity and the fact that 414 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: we get to choose our thoughts, but our brain leans 415 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: towards the negative. It looks for the negative. But if 416 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: we can replace that with gratitude, then we see more 417 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: things that we have the opportunity be grateful for. Scripture 418 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: talks about worry, fear, and anxiety a lot. There's some 419 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: debate about exactly how many verses there are, but let's 420 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: just say that God brings it up enough in his 421 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: word that that's confirmation to me that he knew we 422 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: would struggle. He knew that the enemy would constantly be 423 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: whispering what ifs in our mind. Even after we experience 424 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: periods of victory, fear often resurfaces. So how do you 425 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 1: continue to fight fear when it tries to return? 426 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 2: Well, one, during this those daily practices of spending time 427 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 2: with God's work, I'll tell you, sometimes even fear still 428 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 2: wants to creep in. And then I've got two or 429 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 2: three friends that are just strong people of faith. And 430 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 2: when I start to get in that fear sometimes and 431 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 2: even though I've done the spiritual practices that helped me 432 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 2: ninety percent of time, but sometimes the fear still keeps 433 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 2: wanting to creep in. And I found one of the 434 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 2: things that usually triggers that's when I get fatigued. And 435 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 2: so when you get tired, boy, the enemy can make 436 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 2: these small things will come mountains. But I reach out 437 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 2: to somebody else to say, hey, here's what I'm feeling, 438 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 2: and man, I just want to share with you. I 439 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 2: want to ask you one to pray for me, and 440 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 2: two I want to ask am I looking at this correctly? 441 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 2: And so many times, just a fresh perspective from a 442 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 2: brother in Christ, a sister in Christ can really really 443 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 2: help me realize I really am putting something that making 444 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 2: it fearful when it's really not quite as overwhelming as 445 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 2: it seems. So really found that to be helpful to 446 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 2: reach out to somebody else to ask for prayer and 447 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 2: also just maybe text it, hey have you got five 448 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 2: minutes and literally mean it five minutes and they know 449 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 2: that if I do that, Man, I'm really struggling. And 450 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 2: it's amazing having another person and processing that fear. Sometimes 451 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 2: it just removes the fear immediately. I love Jesus model 452 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 2: that force. When you know, before he was getting ready 453 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 2: to be arrest and go to the cross, he asked Peter, 454 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 2: James and John to pray with him in the garden 455 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 2: yetsemite and make no mistake about it. I mean Jesus asked, hey, hey, 456 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 2: remove this cup, be thy will if there's another way 457 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 2: to do this, So, I mean, we have to realize 458 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 2: that Jesus did have a choice, and he had to 459 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 2: be feeling some fear. As we know, the perspiration was 460 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 2: blood droplets, and our bodies physically can do that. We're 461 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 2: under an extreme amount of stress and fear. So I'm 462 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 2: so thankful to know that Jesus understands when we deal 463 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 2: with fear. 464 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: Isn't that a comfort to know that Jesus was God 465 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: is God, but came in human form and experienced anguish 466 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: and can relate to us. So when Scripture tells us 467 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: he's close to the brokenhearted, it's because he can understand. Friends, 468 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: We're going to take a short break for a word 469 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: from our sponsor, but stick with us, because as we 470 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: wrap up this episode, I'm going to ask Greg to 471 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: share a hope filled perspective. We'll be right back Greg. 472 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: How would you encourage someone who feels that they've lost everything? 473 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 1: I can only barely put myself in your shoes as 474 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: I try to think about how I would feel, how 475 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: I would react if I seemingly lost everything overnight. I'm 476 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: sure we've got some listeners who are in a similar position. 477 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: What would you say to them? 478 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 2: Well, I tell you one things I've learned is a 479 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 2: God through this process gave me an acronym when I 480 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 2: started hope. It's here the word hope. I'm a simple guy, 481 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 2: so I've got to keep it on the lower shelf. 482 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:40,360 Speaker 2: And I lined it up with biblical perspective, with Bible verses. 483 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 2: But I ran this by doctor Melinda Moore, who her 484 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 2: emphasis and is her PhD. Is at suicideology, and she's 485 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 2: a renowned expert here based just a blessing from God 486 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 2: here in central Kentucky, but she travels all the world 487 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 2: help me teach people about suicide prevention. And I asked 488 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 2: her about this acronym. I said, does this line up 489 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 2: with your research academically and medically and things that? She said, 490 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, she said that absolutely it does. So 491 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 2: I'm looking at from a biblical perspective and God's perspective, 492 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 2: but also for those that are more wired up intellectually 493 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 2: in academia, this lines up with this. But here's what 494 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 2: I would say to you. Just remember this acronym hope, 495 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 2: hop letter h just hold on, hold on. Everything can 496 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 2: change in twenty four hours. I mean something could change 497 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 2: for the better. Yes, it can change for the worst, 498 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 2: It's like my situation did. But just to simply hold 499 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 2: off Latis. Chapter six, verse nine says, do not grow 500 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 2: weary in doing good at the proper time. You will 501 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 2: reap a harvest if you do not give up. And 502 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 2: the thing I love about how God has designed our calendar. 503 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 2: He broke it down to twenty four hour periods and 504 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 2: a lot of twenty four our purritents. They can be 505 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 2: real challenging, but I love in Lamentations, chapter three, verses 506 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 2: twenty two and twenty three, says that God's mercies are 507 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 2: new every morning, and great is his faithfulness. In other words, 508 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 2: we get a fresh start every twenty four hours, and 509 00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 2: so I'm so thankful to know that. So if you 510 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 2: hold on, just remember you get a fresh twenty four hours, 511 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 2: and just know God may show up in a way 512 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 2: that will just blow your mind and give you hope 513 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 2: even though things seem hopeless at the time. The let 514 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 2: her own this one. We just kind of talked about 515 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 2: open up to at least one person. At least one person. 516 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 2: So many times the enemy lies to it and just says, 517 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 2: this is hopeless. You're never going to climb out of 518 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,199 Speaker 2: this situation. And I'm thankful that I was able to 519 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 2: open up the others and tell them when I was 520 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 2: hopeless and having suicidal thoughts, and it was just amazing 521 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 2: the difference that made. Once again, Jesus modeled that when 522 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 2: he asked Peter, James and John, hey, man, I've got 523 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 2: this overwhelming situation. My soul is overwhelmed to the point 524 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 2: of death grief so strong about what I'm here in 525 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 2: to do. Would you please pray with me? Even Jesus 526 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 2: asked for him the son of God, as you just 527 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,239 Speaker 2: said earlier. So man, opening up to one person, that 528 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 2: honestly could be the game change. You're just letting one 529 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 2: person know how you feel, and then it just kind 530 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 2: of removes that healthiness the letter p Put yourself in 531 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 2: a new environment, man, this is a big one. We 532 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 2: can get in the same same old ruts we all do. 533 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 2: Drive a different way to work, and gay go to 534 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 2: a different place to these lunch baby saying, you know instead 535 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 2: is drinking diet coachs I'm gonna drink some bottled waters. 536 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 2: Do something new. When I went through all this, unlike 537 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 2: most people, who's number one public fear besides spiders and 538 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 2: snakes is public speaking, mine wasn't. So I started going 539 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 2: to toast Masters, speaking organization that helps you with just 540 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 2: basic public speaking and winds up. I mean, I did 541 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 2: that twenty years ago, and now one of the people 542 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 2: I met through that actually does my website and just 543 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 2: handles all the technical aspects of Hope. It's here ministry. 544 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 2: So God's all about relationships. But put yourself in a 545 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 2: new environment. It'll help break some of that run of 546 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 2: hopelessness and just getting in that same old, same old. 547 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 2: And then the letter E okay, and this was the 548 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 2: one we just talked about earlier, about the mental party. 549 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 2: You gotta expect to see change. You gotta expect to 550 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 2: see changes, and just stand on what God's word says 551 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 2: Romans eight twenty eight. All things work together. God, I 552 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 2: don't know how you're gonna work through this, but I'm 553 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 2: gonna trust that you're gonna do this. I'm gonna trust 554 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 2: that you're gonna make away when there's scenes no way. 555 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 2: And I'm excited today to see how you're gonna do that. 556 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 2: And even though I'm hurting. One of my favorite Bible 557 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 2: versus in Proverbs, it says those who are fresh others 558 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 2: will themselves be refreshed and be transparent with you a 559 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 2: lot of times back then and even now, sometimes I 560 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 2: don't feel like being a blessing to somebody else because 561 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 2: I'm hurting. I want somebody to bless me. But when 562 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 2: I make that phone call, when I make that text 563 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 2: and do something to bless somebody else. The way God works, 564 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 2: in the way he's wired us up as followers of Jesus, 565 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 2: when we go to be a blessing to somebody else, 566 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 2: we're the ones who get blessed. And the world doesn't 567 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 2: make sense. They don't do it that way. But I 568 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 2: would say to you right now, stand on that problem. 569 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 2: I believe it's Proverbs eleven twenty five. I'm not mistaken. 570 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 2: Those who a refresh others will themselves be refreshed. And 571 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 2: just know that it'll help lift your spirits. And here's 572 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 2: what I know. Somebody's always got a little bit worse 573 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 2: than we do. One of the things can't help me 574 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 2: keep the eye on the ball. And I'll close with 575 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 2: this was My middle brother is an oncologist, and so 576 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 2: he would call you back on me quite often and 577 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 2: asked me how I was doing. And I would cry 578 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 2: most days those first couple of weeks. Well, finally after 579 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 2: third week I got enough to kind of take my 580 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 2: eyes off myself and all my pain. You said, hey, 581 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 2: how was your day at work? And he said, well, 582 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 2: unfortunately I had to tell a mom twenty seven years 583 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 2: old that she has six months to live and she 584 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 2: has two young children. And the Holy Spirit just spoke 585 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 2: so clearly to me said, you know, Greg, yeah, you 586 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 2: lost your business, you lost your home, you lost your marriage, 587 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 2: but you still have your health. And it was a 588 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 2: game changer for me. And it goes back to that 589 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 2: grateful thing that you talked about earlier. I really really 590 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 2: believe that there's always something to be grateful for. And 591 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 2: if you'll just hold on, open up to at least 592 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 2: one other person, put yourself in a new environment, and 593 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,479 Speaker 2: e expect to see changes. God will do for you 594 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 2: what he's done for me, what He's done for you. 595 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 2: I have so many many others. 596 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: As we press it to Jesus ay man, Greg, after 597 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: your devastating losses, you started Hope Is Here radio show, 598 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: podcasting ministry. How is sharing a people's stories of hope 599 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: impacted your own journey? 600 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 2: Oh just so blessed me because God works through so 601 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 2: many different ways. I mean, we had a guess that 602 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 2: her husband was an alcoholic. Finally decided to leave this 603 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 2: domestic violent situation. He came out and shot her in 604 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 2: the head, said you picked a fine day to die, 605 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 2: and turned the game on him, the gun on himself 606 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 2: and killed himself. They flew her to hospital by helicopter. 607 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 2: Doctors came out. The surgeons told her son and daughter, hey, 608 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 2: we've done everything we know to do. All we know 609 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 2: to do is to tell you to pray. Well, there's 610 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 2: probably about a hundred people in that waiting and praying, 611 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 2: and guess what, she's alive. Over twenty years later, she's 612 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 2: been a guest on Hope is here. She's not able 613 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 2: to drive, but you know what, she prays for this 614 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 2: ministry all the time inspires me, says, hey, what a 615 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 2: powerful guest you had today. I've had her actually about 616 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 2: every three years. I bring her back on because it's 617 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 2: a story that yes, she should have died number one. 618 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 2: But two, Yes she's alive, but life stop played out 619 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 2: the way she would want. She can't drive, but she's 620 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 2: still hopeful. She tries to do that. Proverbs refreshing others 621 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 2: with himself. Had a young man that played college football 622 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 2: here Georgetown University or Georgetown College. I apologized and broke 623 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 2: his leg. They did six operations. Normally, you know, no 624 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 2: big deal. But after six operations they amputate his leg 625 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 2: from the knee down. It's a nineteen year old young man. 626 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 2: Why God? But he said, okay, I'm gonna trust you God. 627 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 2: Why not? He got a prosthetic and he actually returned 628 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 2: kickoffs for Georgetown College's feature out of ESPN and speaks 629 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 2: all over the country. Now he actually works for the FBI. 630 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 2: And just I mean, here's a lady that was in 631 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 2: her fifties when this happened. This was a nineteen year 632 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 2: old young man. Two physically challenging life changing situations. But 633 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 2: both of them said, okay, God, how can you use 634 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 2: this to be a blessing? So, Man, I get excited 635 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 2: that we have two we have a guest each week. Man, 636 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 2: the ripples that they make it blesses me, and it 637 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 2: blesses so many others because everybody's got a story. 638 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: Everybody does have a story. And boy, doesn't that put 639 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: that in perspective for us. We're having a difficult day, 640 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: and yet we get to talk to folks who experience 641 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: great tragedy and are still speaking about the goodness and 642 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: faithfulness of God. So I'm real curious Greg, looking back, 643 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: what would you tell your younger self in the midst 644 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: of your heartest season. 645 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 2: I wish that I would have trusted God more. I 646 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 2: really really did doubt him. And yet that's why I'm 647 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 2: so passionate today, because as I did lean into him 648 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 2: and it was a slow process and think the thing 649 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 2: and not ask the why question. Because the flood happened 650 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 2: on my side of the street. You had a Walmart 651 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 2: right across the street from me, and I played that 652 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 2: why game? God, Walmart's got to work a thousand stores. 653 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 2: I've got this one business. Why did you let the 654 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 2: flood happen on my side of the street? Instead of 655 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 2: asking why so much, God just say what do you 656 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 2: want me to learn from this? And how can I 657 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 2: be a blessing to other people through it? So I 658 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 2: think that's what I would tell my younger self. But 659 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 2: I'm thankful for God's gracing and they're my lack of 660 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 2: faith as a young man thirty two years old, that 661 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 2: God was patient with me and didn't give up on me, 662 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 2: and just slowly but surely molded me, restored me, and 663 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 2: helped heal my heart. 664 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: In my mind, what a beautiful piece of wisdom when 665 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: we don't focus on why about Lord? What do you 666 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: want me to learn from this? What's next? Lord? Greg? 667 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: If a listener reviewer is resonating with our conversation today, 668 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: maybe they're feeling pretty hopeless. We're going through a tragedy 669 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: that they wonder how they're going to get through. What 670 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: hope filled perspective would you want to leave them with? 671 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 2: I would just say, just not trying to figure out 672 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 2: everything five years from now, five months from now, five 673 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 2: weeks from now. Sometimes it's just a minute by our 674 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 2: one day at a time thing. Oh you're like, I 675 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 2: don't see how any way this is going to work out. 676 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 2: But I really was at that spot and met with 677 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 2: a pastor and he gave me this great wisdom. I 678 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 2: was hopeless. One morning we met for coffee about eight thirty, 679 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 2: and he listened to me and then he just said, well, Greg, 680 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 2: I know you do have some faith. I know right 681 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 2: now it's struggling. No, you're hanging on by threat. Do 682 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 2: you have enough faith to make it to lunchtime today? 683 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 2: And I said, yeah, I can do that. Then he 684 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 2: texts me about one point thirty said, hey, Greg, have 685 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 2: you got enough faith to make it till you get 686 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 2: off work at five o'clock today, said, yeah, I do. 687 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 2: And just these little small capsules of time that I 688 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 2: just said, Okay, God, I don't know how you're gonna 689 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 2: work this out, but you know, for three hours today, 690 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 2: I'm gonna trust that you'll get me to this next 691 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 2: three hours. And he just slowly but surely did. And man, 692 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 2: it's never as quick as we want. We live in 693 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 2: a microwave society. Amazon you can have the next day. 694 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 2: But I found you'll appreciate this being in Texas and 695 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 2: God's in the crockpip business. Okay, you know a meal 696 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 2: compared to the microwave. Someone's been in the crock pot 697 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 2: cooked all day. There's no no, no comparison. How good 698 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 2: it tastes. The difference, well, the same thing. And when 699 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 2: God heals us, yeah, sometimes he instantly does it. And 700 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 2: praise God, he's still in the miracle making business. I 701 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 2: still believe that. Over two thousand years and Jesus been God, 702 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 2: I still believe he does that. But I think you 703 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 2: would agree with me that probably about ninety percent of 704 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 2: the time, maybe more. It's just a process. So trust 705 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 2: God in the process eliminate the world. Why ask God 706 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 2: what you need to learn from it and how you 707 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 2: can be a blessing to others. And next thing you know, 708 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 2: you'll be a week down the road, a month down 709 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 2: the road. You start to feel a little bit better. 710 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 2: You're not crying every day, You're not as hopeless. Six 711 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 2: mounction hour, You're like, hey, I mean, God is so good. 712 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 2: On the twentieth anniversary of the flood where my life 713 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 2: changed forever, somebody texted me said, hey, thinking about you 714 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 2: and praying for you today. I said, well, I really 715 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 2: appreciate that, they said. I text back and they said, well, 716 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 2: I know today's a tough day for you. And I 717 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 2: text back and I said, I'm embarrassed to ask you this, 718 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 2: but I'm not sure what you're talking about. What's the 719 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 2: twentieth anniversary of the flood? Totally didn't remember it anymore. 720 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 2: God had healed all that distant memory from me. So 721 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 2: be encouraged by that today. 722 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: Greg, thank you for coming on and sharing your testimony 723 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: and encouraging others to hold on in hope. Friends, I 724 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: know that there was something in today's conversation that has 725 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: encouraged your heart. We're going to put all the information 726 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: about Craig and the Hope is here, where you can 727 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 1: find the radio in the podcast and information about his 728 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,879 Speaker 1: ministry in the show notes that you can find at 729 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: doctor michelleb dot com. If you know someone who's going 730 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,959 Speaker 1: through a time, maybe they're struggling to hold on to hope, 731 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,399 Speaker 1: would you share this episode so that Greg's story can 732 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: encourage them as well, so that they can have a 733 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: biblically based hope Field perspective. It's been my delight to 734 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: be with you this week. I look forward to sharing 735 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: another episode of your Hope Field Perspective with you next week. 736 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 1: But until then, it's my prayer for you that you 737 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 1: have a hope filled week. 738 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 3: Job frustrations, difficult relationships, fluctuating health, emotional upheaval. When life 739 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,760 Speaker 3: conspires to drag us down with all of its troubles, 740 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 3: it can be hard to keep our spirits top. Doctor 741 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:49,800 Speaker 3: Michelle Bankson knows severely ill admired the depression. She desperately 742 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 3: needed something to cling to. She needed a reason to 743 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 3: get out of bed each day, She needed strength to 744 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 3: hold on to face each day. That's why she decides 745 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:06,240 Speaker 3: to stand on God's promises that despite her circumstances, every 746 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 3: day was still a good day for a good day. 747 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 3: Mostly award winning author, international speaker, media resource for mental 748 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 3: health in podcast hosts, doctor Michelle Bankson has released her 749 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 3: newest book, Today Is Going to Be a Good Day, 750 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 3: ninety promises from God to start your. 751 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:25,359 Speaker 4: Day off right. 752 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,839 Speaker 3: In this uplifting devotional, doctor Bankson helps you make each 753 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 3: day a good day, no matter what is going on 754 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 3: in your life. Each reading includes scripture, reflection, prayer, and 755 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 3: a recommended playlist song designed to help you live out 756 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 3: Philippians four eight. Finally, Brothers and Sisters, whatever is true, 757 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,760 Speaker 3: whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever 758 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 3: is lovely, whatever is admirable, if anything is excellent or praiseworthy, 759 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,800 Speaker 3: think about such things because our thoughts determine our beliefs. 760 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 3: Our beliefs termine our attitudes, and our attitudes determined our behaviors. 761 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 4: This is a beautiful book. 762 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 3: That will make the perfect gift for birthdays, anniversaries, Mother's er, 763 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 3: Father's Day, Valentine's Day, or for anyone under gift list 764 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,319 Speaker 3: who is going through a difficult time and needs a 765 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 3: daily reminder that despite our circumstances, today can still be 766 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 3: a good day. Today is going to be a good 767 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 3: Day is available wherever books are sold. When you pick 768 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 3: one up for yourself, consider getting one to gift to 769 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 3: a friend or loved one too. 770 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:39,720 Speaker 4: Fay'll thank you for it. Thank you for joining doctor 771 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 4: banks and to your hope build perspective. We hope you 772 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 4: are encouraged by her authenticity, vulnerability, and biblical truths. If 773 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 4: you enjoy today's conversation. When you take a moment right now, 774 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,800 Speaker 4: open up your podcast app and look for the subscribe 775 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 4: button right next to our podcast profile image. We think 776 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 4: this podcast is best enjoyed with friends, so tell a 777 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 4: friend and click share in your podcast app and send 778 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 4: a friend our link to share Hope with them. If 779 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 4: you have a comment, question, or suggest a topic for 780 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,720 Speaker 4: a future show, reach out to our staff at info 781 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,240 Speaker 4: at Hope Prevails dot org. For additional resources. Information about 782 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 4: doctor Bankson's books where free downloads, or to contact her 783 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,880 Speaker 4: to speak at your next event, please visit doctor Michelbe 784 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 4: dot com. Until next time, May you have a hope filledweek. 785 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 1: I'd like to take just a second to thank the 786 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: team at Life Audio for their partnership with us on 787 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: this podcast. If you go to lifeaudio dot com, you'll 788 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,760 Speaker 1: find dozens of other faith centered podcasts in their network. 789 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 1: They've got shows about prayer, Bible study, parenting, and more.