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Speaker 1: evidence the NCAA knew what it was doing was wrong,

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Speaker 1: I mean, any hesitation bringing a you couldn't decide the gender.

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Speaker 1: fighting for for the better part of what is it

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Speaker 1: four or five years now? Something like that, maybe even

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Speaker 1: more than that. But is the world better for Margo

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Speaker 2: The world is much safer, more just more fair, more

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Speaker 1: Was it only two years ago? Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 2: I know not even we've seen so much momentum, and

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Speaker 2: that for their daughters, for all of humanity, and again

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Speaker 2: largely thanks to people like President Trump, of course day one,

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: If you say there aren't two, what's is there a

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Speaker 2: those questions. I got to stand alongside the President as

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Speaker 2: he signed his executive order barring men from participating in

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Speaker 2: and Joe, it was one of the most amazing things

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Speaker 2: And I remember looking at this visual, President Trump, You're

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Speaker 2: Look, it's really end for it's deeply unfair to have

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Speaker 2: People like my young daughter, girls like her. That's who

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Speaker 1: It's Riley Gaines. Could check out the Rilly Gaines show.

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Speaker 1: She does it twice a week. Go and check it

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Speaker 1: So you're saying, had Kamala Harris won and thank god

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Speaker 2: I saw today where he announced he will never run

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Speaker 1: Well, there's so much evidence out there that this guy

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Speaker 1: chief is dirty. We're going to find all that out

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Speaker 1: for sure. It's Riley Gaines at Riley Gaines. Go follow

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Speaker 1: her over your check out our program called the Riley

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Speaker 1: Gaines Show. Do they just got to Rileygaines dot com?

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Speaker 1: How do they find the show? Every week? I watch it,

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Speaker 1: but I think I see it on YouTube.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 2: You can find it on YouTube at Riley Gaines's show.

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Speaker 2: Follow us on Instagram, Riley Gaines Show. Anywhere where you

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Speaker 1: Go check it out. Make sure that you do that.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you about when you were standing there

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I love what you said, because that is a

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Speaker 1: Are they coming around? I know the UNCAA guy said

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Speaker 3: It was a big convention, really, is what it was.

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Speaker 3: So I do that. I apply for this booth.

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Speaker 2: Well, I use I had my name when I'd been

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Speaker 2: I have these little bracelets made, you know, protect Title nine.

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Speaker 2: Now Mark Emmert has stepped down largely, I think, because

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Speaker 1: Horribly, but rightly. They could face criminal charges for what

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Speaker 2: And what you're describing like that would have I mean

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Speaker 3: He'd be in jail.

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Speaker 2: But now, if we even dared to speak about it,

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Speaker 2: that's like being applauded as brave and courageous and beautiful

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Speaker 3: Why can't we just accept that? Why can't we be inclusive?

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Speaker 3: It's about his life.

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Speaker 2: He could potentially kill himself if we don't allow him

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Speaker 2: It's about his feelings that matters far more than our opportunities,

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Speaker 1: It's so sick now, it really is. And I do

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Speaker 1: not stupid is Riley Gaines. Go follow her everywhere at

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Speaker 1: Riley Gaines. She's got a brand new program called Oddly

439
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Speaker 1: The Riley Gaines Show. Go and check that out. She

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Speaker 1: does an amazing job. It's not just about this, it's

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Speaker 1: about everything. And I actually what I do is I

442
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Speaker 1: watch your show to learn what I should say on

443
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Speaker 1: my show. Right, I'm actually learning from you so I

444
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Speaker 1: want every ready to go. I wantever to go and

445
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Speaker 1: check that out. Had they been smarter, they had they said, Okay,

446
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Speaker 1: Leah Thomas will is gonna swim against you, but she

447
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Speaker 1: he they whatever has their own facility where they can

448
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Speaker 1: get dressed and undressed. Had they been smarter and not

449
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Speaker 1: put you guys at risk and made you victims the

450
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Speaker 1: way that they did, might they have gotten away with it?

451
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Speaker 1: Have they said, there's a private dressing room for anybody

452
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Speaker 1: who wants to use it, and this guy always used

453
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Speaker 1: it and you were not put in that sort of

454
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Speaker 1: sexual harassment if not worse, you know situation. Might they

455
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Speaker 1: have gotten away with it? Or you are firm enough

456
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Speaker 1: that this is unfair. It's unfair. What they did in

457
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Speaker 1: the locker room is discussing it is to the next level.

458
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Speaker 1: But even if they would have been smart enough to

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Speaker 1: give my separate facility, you still would have pursued this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because again there is no if you think about

461
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Speaker 2: what they're saying in that regard, he's woman enough to

462
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Speaker 2: compete with us, but not enough of a woman to

463
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Speaker 2: undress with us like that point, that's just totally nonsensical,

464
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Speaker 2: Like you're either fully committed to saying he's a woman

465
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Speaker 2: or that he's not, which again, I can answer that

466
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Speaker 2: for you both from an objective lens, right, yeah, what

467
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Speaker 2: is biologically, physiologically, anatomically, chromosomally true. But I think more

468
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Speaker 2: importantly for myself at least, answering it from a biblical

469
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Speaker 2: lens where He created us male and female intentionally uniquely

470
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Speaker 2: in his perfect image.

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Speaker 3: And how amazing is it that we have a creator

472
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Speaker 3: who doesn't make mistakes?

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Speaker 2: So so what are you saying he's like fifty percent woman?

474
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Speaker 2: That's just a totally nonsensical argument that would have never

475
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Speaker 2: been legally withithstanding by any means, and again still violating

476
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Speaker 2: Title nine federal law that has been federal law for

477
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Speaker 2: more than half a century. At this point, I was

478
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Speaker 2: alive when I became federal law. That's old, it is, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

479
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Speaker 2: Because you're getting up there, Joe, hello.

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Speaker 1: Duh, Well, Riley, let me take you down this road,

481
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Speaker 1: because again, this whole thing is is. I think it's

482
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Speaker 1: coming to a head, and I think the Supreme Court

483
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Speaker 1: makes the right decision very soon, and I think this

484
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Speaker 1: thing is done. And by the way, Katanji Brown Jackson

485
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Speaker 1: should not be on the Supreme Court. If she can't name,

486
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Speaker 1: you know, what a woman is, can't define it. In fact,

487
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Speaker 1: even her own liberal counterparts in the Supreme Court on

488
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Speaker 1: occasion have had to say, are you looking at the

489
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Speaker 1: right case because the ruling that you just made doesn't

490
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Speaker 1: make any sense. So she shouldn't be there anyway. But

491
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Speaker 1: that's not here nor there. But when it comes to

492
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Speaker 1: the end game here, I think President Trump and maybe

493
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Speaker 1: a president in advance or a Rubio or whoever the

494
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Speaker 1: hell is going to be after that, I think that

495
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Speaker 1: you've got an infrastructure in place now to where we're

496
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Speaker 1: saying it's okay to tell the truth about biology, it's

497
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Speaker 1: okay to protect girls and women. If you don't have

498
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Speaker 1: a definition of a girl or a woman as compared

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Speaker 1: to a male or a man or a boy, that

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Speaker 1: you don't need a title nine. I think we're there.

501
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Speaker 1: Do you feel as good as I do that we're

502
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Speaker 1: probably going to win this and we can stop talking

503
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Speaker 1: about this dumb thing that there isn't a difference between

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Speaker 1: men and women.

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Speaker 2: Man, it's hard to say. There are days where I

506
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Speaker 2: feel like that. But then you have to think about

507
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Speaker 2: the longevity of these issues. First of all, I.

508
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Speaker 3: Mentioned President Trump signing executive orders.

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Speaker 2: That's fantastic, but there's no longevity to that right, those

510
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Speaker 2: can be undone just legislationship we're written in. Yeah, we

511
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Speaker 2: need Congress to act. We need all fifty states to act.

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Speaker 2: At this point, twenty seven states have passed some sort

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Speaker 2: of fairness in women's sports law.

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Speaker 3: Seventeen states have defined the word woman in law.

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Speaker 2: Of course, that means what twenty three states don't happen.

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Speaker 1: Thirty three yeh.

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Speaker 2: Act in place to preventment in women's sports, and thirty

518
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Speaker 2: three don't have laws in place that define the word woman.

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Speaker 2: That that leaves a lot up for scrutiny and for

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Speaker 2: their own interpretation. Actually, many states have it totally backwards.

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Speaker 2: States like I mean, you know, the usual bad actors California, Washington, Oregon, Minnesota, Maine,

522
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Speaker 2: where they include in they're protected classes under their state

523
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Speaker 2: constitution both sex.

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Speaker 3: And gender identity.

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Speaker 2: I'm here to tell you you cannot protect both of

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Speaker 2: those things at the same time, like they worked in

527
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Speaker 2: direct conflict with one another.

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Speaker 3: So there's still a lot of issues.

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Speaker 2: Again, I think four years from now or I guess

530
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Speaker 2: three years from now, let's say.

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Speaker 3: That I mean, God forbid.

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Speaker 2: The Democratic Party's you know, superstar Jasmine Crockett is in

533
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Speaker 2: the which is a really yeah, it's a really scary.

534
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Speaker 3: I don't know who else they have right now.

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Speaker 2: You've got Gavin Newsom, who knows Governor Basher of Kentucky, and.

536
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Speaker 1: It could all be rolled back if they win.

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Speaker 2: But no matter who it is, it doesn't matter if

538
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Speaker 2: it's Mom, Donnie or Bashir who appears to be moderate.

539
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Speaker 2: There is no such thing as a moderate Democrat anymore.

540
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Speaker 2: At any sort of elected level, local, state, or federal.

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Speaker 2: They are all radical. They are all extreme. That has

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Speaker 2: been proven in their voting records and their unwillingness to

543
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Speaker 2: leave their base on any issue.

544
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Speaker 3: They are lockstep on every.

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Speaker 2: Single issue, doesn't matter if it's gender, ideology, parental rights,

546
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Speaker 2: border crime, I mean, it does not matter. They are

547
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Speaker 2: lockstep with one another. Almost admirable. It would be admirable

548
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Speaker 2: if you had no moral compass, it would be an

549
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Speaker 2: admirable thing.

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Speaker 3: But of course I.

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Speaker 2: Believe you and me and many people on our side,

552
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Speaker 2: the side of common sense, we do have a moral compass,

553
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Speaker 2: and so we are willing to step out of line.

554
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Speaker 2: They're just not because they're evil. They unite behind evil.

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Speaker 2: So I think to three years from now, let's say

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Speaker 2: one of them, one of the people I mentioned, is in.

557
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Speaker 3: The Oval office.

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Speaker 2: Then I think we're right back to not even square one,

559
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Speaker 2: because square one would be where we were fifty years ago,

560
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Speaker 2: three fifty four years ago now when Tittle nine was enacted.

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Speaker 3: We're actually regressing before that.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think you're right. I think you're right. It

563
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Speaker 1: is a scary thought, and I think this is a

564
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Speaker 1: very good reason why people should make sure they vote

565
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Speaker 1: the right way. It's Riley Gaines, go follow wherever the

566
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Speaker 1: Riley Gaines show. You and I have been friends a

567
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Speaker 1: long time, four plus years. I think right after that picture,

568
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Speaker 1: I got ahold of you and we had John. We

569
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Speaker 1: didn't meet in person until last year in July, and

570
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Speaker 1: it was amazing, by the way, amazing. You were all pregnant,

571
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Speaker 1: met Louis. Everything was great. We high five, we made

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Speaker 1: a muscle, we did all that. It was just such

573
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Speaker 1: a joyous, happy occasion. At the TPUSA event in Grapevine, Texas.

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Speaker 1: Not two months later, our friend Charlie Kirk is gone.

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Speaker 1: It shattered all of us, It rocked all of us. Absolutely,

576
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Speaker 1: there's no really other way for me to explain it

577
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Speaker 1: had him on the show six times, knew him since

578
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Speaker 1: he was about eighteen or twenty. The fact that he's

579
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Speaker 1: gone doesn't make any sense. You and everybody there, we

580
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Speaker 1: were celebrating, I think, a resurgence and conservatism in a

581
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Speaker 1: value system that we have here in the United States,

582
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Speaker 1: and then he's taken out and there's a bit of

583
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Speaker 1: disruption now, a bit of dismay on the right, on

584
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Speaker 1: the conservative side first and foremost. I think I texted

585
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Speaker 1: you the day we found out that he was killed,

586
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: and you and I are in the same place where

587
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 1: we miss him. It's disgusting. It's horrible that somebody being

588
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Speaker 1: assassinated at thirty one for having ideas is dumb. Where

589
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: are you now though, with going to events like that,

590
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Speaker 1: was sitting down and really mixing it up and having

591
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Speaker 1: a dialogue, even if it's an angry dialogue with somebody

592
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Speaker 1: on the far left. Are you still doing that? And

593
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Speaker 1: do you have any comments on what happens now for

594
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Speaker 1: the young conservative movement? Because he was the leader of that,

595
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Speaker 1: like it or not, he was and right now there's.

596
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Speaker 2: A void, you know, I think back to It's one

597
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Speaker 2: of those moments I don't have many in my life

598
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Speaker 2: being twenty five now where you'll never forget where you

599
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: were when I heard the news that Charlie Kirk had

600
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Speaker 2: been shot, before even knowing that he had been assassinated.

601
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Speaker 3: It was one of.

602
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Speaker 2: Those you'll never forget where you were moments at shows

603
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Speaker 2: inside of a Chick fil A and I got a

604
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Speaker 2: phone call. I answered the call, I you know, was

605
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Speaker 2: with a friend, and I say, oh my gosh, Charlie's

606
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: just been shot. And the person at the table next

607
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: to me was like, no way, Like it was a

608
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Speaker 2: totally surreal moment. I will never forget that, I think

609
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Speaker 2: even still honestly, at that time, there was so much

610
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Speaker 2: disbelief in shock to it that it didn't even feel real,

611
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Speaker 2: and truthfully, Joe like I still feel a sense of that,

612
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Speaker 2: just total disbelief that he's gone, that something like this

613
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Speaker 2: can happen in such a great nation that we've seen

614
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Speaker 2: people celebrate it, mostly school teachers and healthcare workers and

615
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 2: government employees, which is a really terrifying thought. But upon

616
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: you know, in the immediate of learning about this, and

617
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Speaker 2: in the weeks following where you find out more information

618
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Speaker 2: about what was written on the casings it took me back.

619
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Speaker 2: I mean, I was like thirty eight thirty nine weeks

620
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Speaker 2: pregnant about to deliver our beautiful baby girl into this world.

621
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Speaker 2: I remember feeling so heavy. I remember thinking to myself,

622
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Speaker 2: had I not been as pregnant as I was, I

623
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: would have been right there with them. I have been

624
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: right there with them. I've sat at the proven me

625
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: wrong table with him and understanding that I could have

626
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 2: been killed just as easily as he was because we

627
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: shared the same beliefs, just as anyone, just as easy

628
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Speaker 2: as anyone.

629
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Speaker 3: Who shares our beliefs.

630
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 2: And again the case things where it's a person who's

631
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: clearly enthralled with gender ideology and the furry world and

632
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Speaker 2: whatever other crazy nonsense that that ensues. Joe, I'm not

633
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Speaker 2: proud of it, but like I vowed to myself then

634
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: that I would never go back on a college campus again. Right,

635
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Speaker 2: thirty nine weeks pay and I'm bringing a life into

636
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Speaker 2: this world. She's my priority. People all the time call.

637
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 3: Me courageous or fearless.

638
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 2: Please hear me when I say I'm not fearless, because

639
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: that scares me. Fearless and and being courageous like you

640
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 2: actually can't be both of those things at the same time,

641
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: because of course, fearless is having no fears. I do

642
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 2: have fears. That's a terrifying thought to me. Being courageous

643
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 2: is having fears but still doing the thing that you

644
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: know to be right.

645
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 3: And true and good and moral.

646
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Speaker 2: I wasn't courageous in that moment because I wasn't willing

647
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Speaker 2: to do that. But it was me seeing other people,

648
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 2: especially other young people, who were willing to step up

649
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 2: and pick up the mic if you will. That's the

650
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Speaker 2: analogy that was being used. And well, bringing your daughter

651
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Speaker 2: into the world, that's when I look at her and

652
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: it kind of all makes sense, Like, again, that's who

653
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: we're protecting.

654
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 3: That's why this is timely.

655
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 2: That's why it's urgent, that's why we there's a moral

656
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,719
Speaker 2: obligation to use the platforms that we've been blessed with.

657
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,239
Speaker 2: And so I mean, I've been on ten or so

658
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: campuses now since Charlie's assassination, but I was really really

659
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 2: scared at first. Totally.

660
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: Well, I don't blame you, because again we went from

661
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: I think the highest high in July and then the

662
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: you know, TPUSA was taken off like crazy. Charlie put

663
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: together something that was unbelievable and almost unrepeatable. But there

664
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: does seem to be some infighting. Do you rise above that?

665
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: I see you as a conservative leader. I see you

666
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: as an American leader. I try to be the same thing.

667
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: But I'm a different generation than you. The younger generation

668
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,959
Speaker 1: now does have a void that's being aptly filled by

669
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: people like you. But like as you said, you're a wife,

670
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: you're a mom, You've got a life outside of that.

671
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: This was Charlie's life. This is what he did. He

672
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: woke up in the morning. It's time to go and

673
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: do this. Is there somebody who's an air apparent? And

674
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: what do you think about it? There is some infighting

675
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: now it's dumb Tucker versus Candace versus Megan versus Nick Fuent.

676
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: Is this idiot? I mean, don't I don't get it.

677
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: Can there be a sort of some voice that convenes us,

678
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: that congeals us, that brings us back together and says

679
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: we got to get back on track with this movement

680
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: because this isn't helpful that we're seeing right now. Charlie

681
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't be happy with this.

682
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: Well, it's so hard because that person was Charlie. I

683
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: think maybe people could witness it from the outside, but

684
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: I can say internally, and with having that personal relationship

685
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 2: with Charlie, he was the best coalition builder.

686
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 3: He was the glue.

687
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: He was like the connecting fibers of the Conservative Party,

688
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: and again they prematurely took that from us, which is debilitating.

689
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 3: I believe.

690
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: To speak to this infighting, I'm of two minds. One

691
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: is to unite, and we have to unite in order

692
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: to win in twenty twenty six and beyond, so that

693
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 2: I believe in one hand. But on the other hand,

694
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 2: I don't even think the people that were that I'm

695
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 2: kind of thinking of uniting here. We don't have the

696
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 2: same foundational beliefs, it seems anymore. I don't want to

697
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 2: unite with that. I don't want to unite with the

698
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: Nick Fuinteses of the world. Some of the things that

699
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: he said is like, they're horrendous and horrific and just

700
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 2: awful things that I don't want to stand beside. I

701
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 2: think we should call these things out. And so it's

702
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 2: really difficult. You've got people like Candice, who I mean,

703
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 2: I guess is attempting to make it appear as if

704
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: she's the only one who asks questions, the only one

705
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: who seeks truth and justice, and no one else cares

706
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: about Charlie or what is good or what is right,

707
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 2: which is total blowney. I believe honestly she leads like

708
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 2: a cult leader in using verbiage like you know, we

709
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 2: did this, or look at what they're doing to us,

710
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: like it's very cultish.

711
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 3: I think we should call that out when we see it.

712
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone wants justice for Charlie more than

713
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: Charlie's widow, Eric Kirk. The attacks that have been hurled

714
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: her way, it's just really sad.

715
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 3: Again, Erica.

716
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,479
Speaker 2: I've known her, I mean for several years now, and

717
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 2: in knowing her before Charlie's assassination to now understanding that

718
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: she is one of the most compassionate and strong and forgiving.

719
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: I will never forget being at that memorial and witnessing

720
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: what I mean, ten eleven days after his assassination forgive

721
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 2: her husband's killer. I mean, that was one of the

722
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: most beautiful and godly displays of forgiveness and strength through

723
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 2: that forgiveness that I've ever seen in my life. That's

724
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 2: a role model that I want to follow. So in

725
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 2: talking about the future, of the conservative movement. I think,

726
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 2: and I pray desperately that Erica has a place in that,

727
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 2: and I think she will. She'll continue to lead Turning

728
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 2: Point USA. It will continue to be influential and effective.

729
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 2: Obviously it can't replicate what it was when Charlie was here,

730
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: but I think it can and is still good overall

731
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: net for gen Z the next generation, and for the

732
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 2: conservative causing for the Kingdom of Christ.

733
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:37,959
Speaker 3: Most importantly, it.

734
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 1: Is Riley Gains. I think you said it exactly right.

735
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to harp on Candace too much. I

736
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: know that words just about out of time. Thanks for

737
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: giving me all the time. But let me just say this.

738
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: Not a journalist, she's not investigating anything. She doesn't know

739
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: anything that nobody else knows. None of that is true.

740
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: But when you're getting two three million views a day,

741
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: you're making ten twenty thirty forty fifty thousand dollars a

742
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: day on YouTube, you've got to keep the soap opera going.

743
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: What bothered me from the very on set because I

744
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: used to like candas in fact a cute little story.

745
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: Charlie was supposed to be in my show. He couldn't

746
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: make it handed the phone to Candas and had her

747
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: call my show, probably six seven years ago. That's the

748
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: only interaction I've had with it. But she was part

749
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: of the team at that point. Since then she was

750
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 1: out of the team. What bothers me most about her,

751
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: and you can comment her not it's up to you,

752
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: is why would you attack his family? Why would you

753
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: attack his wife who is the mother of his children,

754
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: Because if you're attacking the mother of his children, you're

755
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 1: attacking his children, and you purport to be a friend

756
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: of his. I don't know why she had to add

757
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: Erica Kirk to her conspiracy theories, because if you don't

758
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: do that, maybe we're going to listen to you. But

759
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: once you do that, it tells me you don't care

760
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: about what he left behind. You don't care about his legacy,

761
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: which tposa is a good legacy, but his children are

762
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: his legacy, and he thoughts on that. Why bring her

763
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: into it?

764
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and not even just bringing Erica into it. Erica

765
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: flew out to Nashville to meet with Candas right again,

766
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 2: like this is a great which I.

767
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: Was against, by the way. I was against that because

768
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: I knew what Candas was going to do with that.

769
00:35:59,360 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: But go ahead.

770
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: My whole thing here is this is a grieving widow,

771
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 2: and say what you want about how she has grieved.

772
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 3: I don't think any of us can put ourselves in

773
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 3: her shoes. And let's it's a situation.

774
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 2: That you have been in which very very few people have,

775
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: where you witness your husband be horrifically and graphically murdered,

776
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 2: where it.

777
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 3: Will live on the internet forever.

778
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 2: Right, So, how she has chosen to move on in

779
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 2: advancing the cause that he works so passionately and relentlessly

780
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: for his organization, continuing to build there. I just hate

781
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,479
Speaker 2: to see how she has attempted to drag Erica down,

782
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 2: and not even as much cand as doing that. It's

783
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: her followers too, like the people who listen.

784
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 3: To her show. I just hate it. I hate it.

785
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 2: I hate it for Erica again, this is someone who

786
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 2: is trying to raise two children. Now. She has a

787
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 2: great team around her. She says that all the time,

788
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 2: but I mean, she goes to bed every night.

789
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 3: Without her husband. So to insid an wait.

790
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 2: In some way, shape or form that Erica was was

791
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 2: in the know or implicated is just ridiculous and destructive

792
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: and evil.

793
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 3: That's what I think defamatory.

794
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: I could not disagree with you, and I think that

795
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: she probably should be sue. She's saying things that are

796
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: just beyond the pale now and I think a lot

797
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: of that is certainly defamation, libel, slander, whatever. Last question,

798
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: let's lighten it up. Do you want Margo to play sports?

799
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: Duh, She's gonna play sports.

800
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 3: I'll tell you.

801
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 2: We've seen all the news with President Trump announcing the

802
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: Trump Savings accounts, which we are are definitely going to

803
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: be setting up Margo one. That way, she's got an

804
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 2: account for when she goes off to college, but she's

805
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 2: not gonna need it because she's gonna get a D

806
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: one scholarship.

807
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: You think she'll be in the pool or it's going

808
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: to be up to.

809
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 3: Her, you know.

810
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: I'm it's funny. I I kind of before she was here,

811
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, maybe play a different sport,

812
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 2: not swimming. It just takes so much out of you,

813
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: which I'm grateful for and how it's shaped my life

814
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 2: and how it's taught me how to be a leader,

815
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 2: and the dedication and the perseverance that you learn from

816
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 2: playing that sport. But my husband, he was very much like,

817
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: she's not swimming like yes, yes, yes, he swam at

818
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 2: the University of Kentucky as well. His standpoint is he

819
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 2: doesn't want to have to sit in a hot, overly

820
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 2: chlorinated nadatorium for hours on end to watch her some

821
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 2: a thirty second range.

822
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: It's about mom and dad's comfort. It's not about the kid.

823
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 3: It's about it's about being so dramatic.

824
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: He would like he's totally wrapped around her finger, which

825
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 2: is like the sweetest thing ever. And I will say,

826
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 2: it has been so fun to watch your husband become

827
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: a dad Like you. You think you love them as

828
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: much as you possibly can, but then you see them

829
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: as a father, and your heart grows ten sizes and

830
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 2: it softens, and you fall more in love with the

831
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 2: man that you thought you were. You thought that was,

832
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: you know, impossible. You thought you couldn't love him anymore.

833
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 2: Watching him as a dad to her pretty good. So

834
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 2: we'll see. We'll see what sports she plays. But she's

835
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: got some really really big feet.

836
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 3: I think she'd be really tall like her dad.

837
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, you need feet to me, We can eat

838
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: big feet, don't you.

839
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 3: I don't know exactly exactly, So we'll see. I think

840
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 3: she'll be great. At whatever she does.

841
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 1: Outlook contributor, also the host of The Riley Gaines Show.

842
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: It's out there now, I think on on YouTube. It's

843
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: just at Riley Gaines. Right, let's start building that like crazy.

844
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: Go follow her on all the social media. I think

845
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: you're kicking my ass on TikTok, but we're both over

846
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: a million, so I'm not gonna complain too much. Are

847
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: you like a million? Two million? Three?

848
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: Now?

849
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: Where are you on there?

850
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 3: One point four?

851
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 2: Now?

852
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: Stop it? You blew right back? But I had a

853
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: million before you. Yeah, I love the hell that happened. Riley.

854
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,399
Speaker 1: You're amazing. I love everything you do. I just think

855
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: that you're an amazing mother, an amazing young woman, and

856
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: I hope to God you can go on for the

857
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: next seventy five eighty years just teaching people right from wrong.

858
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: So I think we'll be a better nation and a

859
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: better people because of it. Thank you so much for

860
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: your friendship and all this time.

861
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 3: Today you're the best show.

862
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: Thank you, You're amazing. That's gonna do for undshaking and

863
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: underfraid with Joe PAGs for this time. Another one to

864
00:39:58,719 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 1: dropped very soon